From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 08:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18500 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Df4NP012863; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Df1sR019791; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA1DebsR019674 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:40:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021101134037.17511.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:40:37 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century dress supports To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001301c281a2$d3ae5d60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO What a great resource, that's lovely Bjarne! Nicole --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I wished i had more time to draw better, but i have so much work to do right > now. But i hope it can be someone a little help. > If some of you sees other examples of paniers or whatever, dress support for > 18th century, please let me know, so that i can add all there is. > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/dress_supports_in_18th.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 09:07:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18638 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1E83NP014014; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1E81sR027038; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA1E7VsR026909 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16236 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2002 14:07:27 -0000 Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 14:07:27 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cross cloths In-Reply-To: <3DC1A77B.E95F6236@dandy.net> Message-ID: <20021101090622.W82531-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:07:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I read somewhere that this headwear was called a "cross cloth" because it was folded into a triangle (on the cross) and tied around the head. Unfortunately, I can't recall where I read that. Drea On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi. That seems to nail it down pretty well. I guess then neckcloth is the proper term for the linen item. I would be curious to know how it crosses the head, if in fact that is the meaning. Thanks, Mike T. > > > > also from Moryson in 1617 "Many weare such cross-clothes or forehead clothes as our women use when they are sicke." So it does seem to be headgear and not neckwear, though its exact function is unclear. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 09:35:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18718 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Ea5NP015422; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Ea1sR005015; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1EZtsR004961 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:35:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (pcp02823258pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.255.99]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4W00DOSJ7EYC@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Colonial-Early Federal U.S. Costume X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101093217.0399b008@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:35:32 -0500 Status: RO Cynthia Abel wrote: >For Devotees of 18th-early 19thc costume, you may want to spring(or ask >Santa) for "What Clothes Reveal: the Language of Clothing in Colonial and >Federal America" by Linda Baumgarten. This is the companion book to an >exhibition at Williamsburg Decorative Arts Museum. Hmmmm..... any idea of the dates of the exhibition? >...all the mostly color pictures are simply yummy and it was well worth >the $65 odd with 30% off via Amazon since a visit to Colonial Williamsburg >isn't in the personal budget. I'm usually down in Virginia Beach over Thanksgiving weekend and over Christmas week. Thanksgiving is a bit short for us, but if it's still going on over Christmas, maybe I can convince the Other Half to take us for the hour-plus drive each way... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 10:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18902 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1FE5NP017563; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1FE1sR017852; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA1FDxsR017825 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:13:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021101151358.93153.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:13:58 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:13:58 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Where are they? there must be digital photos available by now *G* Show us your Halloween costumes! I am sooooooooooo curious. Mine are here: http://www.kipar.org/dress-diary/prospect-row.jpg The white bearded one with the Viking helmet on the bottom left corner is Colin; the completely mad totally chainmail-clad Crusader with the full face helmet is - who other than - Ben. The superbly done Werewolf (he made it all himself with latex and built the mask onto his face) is our neighbour Mark; his wife came as a pupil of Hogwarth and her beer and hand is seen on the right corner. I guess you can find me in the pic. http://www.kipar.org/dress-diary/quite-dead.jpg Close-up of moi. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 12:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19522 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1HF4NP027923; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1HF1Js017436; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1HEDJs016946 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:14:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a23.in-tch.com [66.62.107.3]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA1GwmD18306 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:58:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC2B66F.D912E86E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flying with a Parasol? References: <20021030141058.19408.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC137AE.93F0C156@bigpond.com> <3DC04E6C.412EFA1F@netdefender.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:14:23 -0700 Status: RO I took an umbrella with me to England/Ireland this past summer, but it was in my "checked" luggage, along with a few other potentially pointy things like my embroidery scissors. It was also one of the small, folding kind. I didn't have any problems at all with that, or my needles for on-board sewing. When I was checking (pre-vacation) with the airlines and travel agent, I found out that some of this stuff depends on the particular airline/airport/security dude. So you might ask the pertinent folk in your case as well. --sue, who thinks Puerto Rico sounds mighty fine about now....we've got record cold temps this week--3 degrees above 0 this a.m. (that's farenheit...about 30 degrees below freezing. Not at all sure of what the appropriate metric number would be, but d@mn! it's cold out!) Jen wrote: > > No, not like Mary Poppins. :-) > > I just spent the last two weeks in San Juan, Puerto Rico on a business trip and am > looking at spending another couple weeks there again before February. Walking > around, I saw a fair number of women walking around with umbrellas or parasols as > protection against the sun. It occurred to me that I might bring one of mine > along on my return trip, but I have no idea if such a thing is allowed on > airplanes these days. (I don't have one that's small enough to fit in a suitcase, > so would have to bring it along as a carry-on.) Does anyone have any experience > travelling with a parasol? > > Thanks! > > --jen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 13:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20881 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IVANP005183; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:31:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IV1Js001065; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from out018.verizon.net (out018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.96]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IUjJs000801 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:30:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.verizon.net ([151.199.135.83]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021101183039.RYTE3553.out018.verizon.net@default.verizon.net> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:30:39 -0600 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20021101132444.00afba50@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Colonial-Early Federal U.S. Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101093217.0399b008@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:27:22 -0500 Status: RO At 09:35 AM 11/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >I'm usually down in Virginia Beach over Thanksgiving weekend and over >Christmas week. Thanksgiving is a bit short for us, but if it's still >going on over Christmas, maybe I can convince the Other Half to take us >for the hour-plus drive each way... > >Brenda >webwarren@earthlink.net The exhibit is at the Dewitt Wallace Gallery, and while I do not know the end date, I am sure that it will still be up around Christmas. The exhibits there are usually on display for over a year, and it just recently opened. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 13:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20926 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IW1NP005285; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IW1Js001666; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1IVFJs001120 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:31:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ae.300afe0d (3932) for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Colonial-Early Federal U.S. Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.300afe0d.2af42261_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:30:57 EST Status: RO --part1_ae.300afe0d.2af42261_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:36:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, webwarren@earthlink.net writes: > I'm usually down in Virginia Beach over Thanksgiving weekend and over > Christmas week. Thanksgiving is a bit short for us, but if it's still going > > on over Christmas, maybe I can convince the Other Half to take us for the > hour-plus drive each way... > > I believe it is up for a year, and just opened, so it will be up this Christmas. You can always check their website--www.history.org. Ann Wass --part1_ae.300afe0d.2af42261_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:36:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, webwarren@earthlink.net writes:


I'm usually down in Virginia Beach over Thanksgiving weekend and over
Christmas week. Thanksgiving is a bit short for us, but if it's still going
on over Christmas, maybe I can convince the Other Half to take us for the
hour-plus drive each way...



I believe it is up for a year, and just opened, so it will be up this Christmas.  You can always check their website--www.history.org.
Ann Wass --part1_ae.300afe0d.2af42261_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 14:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21635 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:34:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1JY9NP011405; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1JY1Js007472; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f40.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1JXCJs007043 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0800 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:33:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2002 19:33:07.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[81367320:01C281DD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0800 Status: RO I made a Spiroc, the parrot creatures my husband hunts in his online game, Everquest. Just click the link in my signature line to see the full diary. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi/spiroc.html I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! >Where are they? there must be digital photos available by now *G* Show us >your >Halloween costumes! I am sooooooooooo curious _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 14:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21670 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Jf2NP011940; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Jf0Js011184; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1JehJs011000 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:40:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (pcp02823258pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.255.99]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4W00KXLXB9YT@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Colonial-Early Federal U.S. Costume In-reply-to: <20021101190010.17321.16615.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101143742.03825d88@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:40:27 -0500 Status: RO Ann amplified Ron's reply to me: >I believe it is up for a year, and just opened, so it will be up this >Christmas. You can always check their website--www.history.org. Thanks! The exhibit will be up through 16 February, 2004 -- and waiting until Christmas will give us a chance to see the upcoming Jewelry exhibit as well! >Jewelry: The Colonial Williamsburg Collection (December 21, 2002 - >ongoing) highlighting selected pieces from the museum's collection >including rings, necklaces and earrings made from gold or silver, some set >with precious stones. More info can be found at http://www.history.org/visit/sp_events/exhibition.cfm#dewitt Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 15:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22035 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:37:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1KbBNP017042; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1Kb3Js012524; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1KadJs012318 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:36:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bede.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.222]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E66AE262E4F for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:36:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c281e6$bc46e860$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021101151358.93153.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:39:11 +0100 Status: RO Hi Nicole. This is great! I didnt know you were making Holloween in England. You look great. That monkey is scary!. I think i would have died if i meat him along the lake here, by night. Here in Denmark, we never have that sort of thing. Only children used to dress up in February for the "Fastelavn" an old habit from catolic times where people starved themselves for a coupple of days. They still do, but not as much as when i was a child. We used to go arround to trick and treet for small money, I loved to dress up. My favourite disguise was when i dressed like a wicked witch. Well boring Denmark................ Bjarne Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? > Where are they? there must be digital photos available by now *G* Show us your > Halloween costumes! I am sooooooooooo curious. Mine are here: > > http://www.kipar.org/dress-diary/prospect-row.jpg > > The white bearded one with the Viking helmet on the bottom left corner > is Colin; the completely mad totally chainmail-clad Crusader with the > full face helmet is - who other than - Ben. The superbly done Werewolf > (he made it all himself with latex and built the mask onto his face) is > our neighbour Mark; his wife came as a pupil of Hogwarth and her beer > and hand is seen on the right corner. I guess you can find me in the > pic. > > http://www.kipar.org/dress-diary/quite-dead.jpg > > Close-up of moi. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 1 17:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22527 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1MU9NP027197; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:30:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1MU3Js017202; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1MTKJs016748 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fbb.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.187]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F1215EFF13 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:29:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c281f6$7cb85bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Mans shirt 1723 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:31:57 +0100 Status: RO Hello again. It is so quiet here these days, usually i get much more emails from h-costume, but i guess you have all ben buisy with the hollidays. Today i found a picture of the composer Vivaldi from 1723. It shows him in a shirt. The collar of the shirt has 2 buttonholes in each side and there is a drawstring to close the collar with. Was this the ordinary way to close a shirt? Was buttons more rare? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 01:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24633 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:38:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA26cMNP023095; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA26c07g007526; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA26br7g007497 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:37:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.53]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H4X00D59QZ122@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flying with a Parasol? In-reply-to: <3DC2B66F.D912E86E@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021101221655.04c99b30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021030141058.19408.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC137AE.93F0C156@bigpond.com> <3DC04E6C.412EFA1F@netdefender.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:20:05 -0800 Status: RO >--sue, who thinks Puerto Rico sounds mighty fine about now....we've got >record cold temps this week--3 degrees above 0 this a.m. (that's >farenheit...about 30 degrees below freezing. Not at all sure of what >the appropriate metric number would be, but d@mn! it's cold out!) Where are you? I have a daughter in New York City in college, and she, a native-Californian, is about to discover Winter. Of course she will need a New-York-Winter costume, as opposed to the San-Francisco-'Winter' costume she's been used to all her life. She actually grew up in San Jose, 50 miles south of San Francisco, where the weather is much milder than it is in San Francisco. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 03:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15365 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:02:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2837NP025829; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA28317g022278; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.33]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA282Z7g022174 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:02:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:02:30 -0800 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:02:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2002 08:02:30.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[315830A0:01C28246] Subject: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:02:30 +0000 Status: RO http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html look at the painting of Bridgette Holmes by John Riley. She was famous for being 90 years old. She appears to be wearing a forehead cloth.A nice example of someone wearing clothes from when they were younger. Jan Steen 'celebrating the birth' shows a woman who has just delivered wearing a forehead cloth and in the same painting there is a woman who appears to be pregnant wearing a forehead cloth under a linen chaperone(I think that's what it's called) I have a little web gallery of paintings showing forehead cloths, but I can't work out how to put it on line. I'll get my partner to do it. The three examples of forehead cloths I have examined dating from early to late 17th century are made from squares of linen folded in half to make a triangle with tape sewn at either end of the front. Two were plain and one had tiny embroidered picots work along the forehead edge. On the embroidered cloth the weft count was approx 120 to the inch (between 115- 122 because of the slubs in the threads)I could only see the sewing stitches with my linen checker, there were over 30 to the inch and the sewing thread appeared to be roughly half as thick as the fabric threads. I asked someone with 20/20 vision to see if they could see the stitches with the naked eye. They couldn't, this kind of work may have been sewn by feel. In 'The Baby in the Bush' Anne Buck, a foundling baby, late 17th is described as having a cross cloth pinned over the face. I wear my forehead cloth with the long striaght edge just below my hair line, tied at the back of the neck the cloth covering my ears this keeps my ears warm and cosy. My coif then goes over the top. The added bonus is that I don't get coif slippage. When cooking over an open fire the cloth prevents sweat running into my eyes. The folded edge fits neatly on the forehead because it's on the bias. Few forehead cloths are seen in pictures, so far I've noticed babies wearing them,(to protect the fontanelle I've heard) pregnant and nursing mothers, a servant and women who are in bed ill. My feeling is that they are very much a utility item, and possibly only worn at home perhaps some kind of early modern sweatband? I've been working on a set of C17th baby cloths for a few months now and hope to get the pictures comleted soon. The clothes are copies of items from Bath Museum of Costume. regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 05:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12625 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:04:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2A55NP029775; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2A517g013229; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA2A4p7g013198 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:04:51 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:04:51 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Actually, I think there is a mix-up in understanding of forehead cloths. What bridget Holmes is wearing http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/r/riley/holmes.jpg is not what reconvalescent/ill/lying-in women are wearing. I thought so too at first but then I discovered that there are differences. Look at the difference, here an old woman in 1660-65: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-65_OLDWOMAN_DOU.JPG she is wearing what Bridget Holmes is wearing, and here another in the 1660s: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/NIDDY-NODDY_DOU.JPG Here a sick woman in 1660-70: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGSTRAATEN.JPG and another http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG I do think that there is a difference, and it strikes me that the sick always wear the very tight forehead cloth with something loose over it, as if it were an addition, while the old women are wearing a cloth tied over their normal 'clip-on coif' (as i call the wired ones) to do exactly what Joy described, to protect and be useful. That's my tupennce and a half after studying the period 1660-1715 for years. Nicole --- Joy Shillaker wrote: > > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html > > look at the painting of Bridgette Holmes by John Riley. She was famous for > being 90 years old. She appears to be wearing a forehead cloth.A nice > example of someone wearing clothes from when they were younger. > > Jan Steen 'celebrating the birth' shows a woman who has just delivered > wearing a forehead cloth and in the same painting there is a woman who > appears to be pregnant wearing a forehead cloth under a linen chaperone(I > think that's what it's called) > > I have a little web gallery of paintings showing forehead cloths, but I > can't work out how to put it on line. I'll get my partner to do it. > > The three examples of forehead cloths I have examined dating from early to > late 17th century are made from squares of linen folded in half to make a > triangle with tape sewn at either end of the front. Two were plain and one > had tiny embroidered picots work along the forehead edge. > On the embroidered cloth the weft count was approx 120 to the inch (between > 115- 122 because of the slubs in the threads)I could only see the sewing > stitches with my linen checker, there were over 30 to the inch and the > sewing thread appeared to be roughly half as thick as the fabric threads. I > asked someone with 20/20 vision to see if they could see the stitches with > the naked eye. They couldn't, this kind of work may have been sewn by feel. > > In 'The Baby in the Bush' Anne Buck, a foundling baby, late 17th is > described as having a cross cloth pinned over the face. > > I wear my forehead cloth with the long striaght edge just below my hair > line, tied at the back of the neck the cloth covering my ears this keeps my > ears warm and cosy. My coif then goes over the top. The added bonus is that > I don't get coif slippage. When cooking over an open fire the cloth prevents > sweat running into my eyes. The folded edge fits neatly on the forehead > because it's on the bias. > > Few forehead cloths are seen in pictures, so far I've noticed babies wearing > them,(to protect the fontanelle I've heard) pregnant and nursing mothers, a > servant and women who are in bed ill. My feeling is that they are very much > a utility item, and possibly only worn at home perhaps some kind of early > modern sweatband? > > I've been working on a set of C17th baby cloths for a few months now and > hope to get the pictures comleted soon. The clothes are copies of items from > Bath Museum of Costume. > > regards > Joy > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 05:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12638 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:09:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2AA0NP029975; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2AA07g014370; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f164.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2A9M7g014198 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:09:17 -0800 Received: from 12.232.2.255 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:09:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.2.255] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2002 10:09:17.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[E74CC950:01C28257] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 02:09:17 -0800 Status: RO Welllll... I've only got two pictures of mine. Not very good quality, staging, etc, because they were taken at the costume shop where I work in between classes. (Though "slave" would be more appropriate, I think.) Disclaimer! I didn't sew anything on this costume. I assembled it from bits I had already, except for the feather, which I bought specifically for the purpose. There is absolutely no historical basis for this costume - but everyone calls it the "Goth Moulin Rouge" costume. Ingredients: 1 pr fishnet pantyhose, 1 pr black thigh-hi stockings 1 heavily modified Fredericks of Hollywood corset w/garter clips 1 lace shirt 1 pair of boots 1 black gauze 3-tier skirt (and a compact full of white goth-foundation, and some black eyeliner and lipstick) Got a good mental image worked up? Good. :) Now go here: http://people.ucsc.edu/~kalessia/laurasasscrop.jpg (please note that it's supposed to say "Laura - sassy" but somehow the name got changed. Oh - and the hat/mask is the costume mistress'. She lent it to me because "it matches!") http://people.ucsc.edu/~kalessia/laurawthebear.jpg Enjoy! -Laura the geek (now if I could only look that good at Dickens Fair...) _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 08:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13367 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DR1NP005389; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DR07g017783; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DQW7g017683 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=99main.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187yIK-0003Oe-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 05:26:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC3D1D4.3080900@99main.com> From: Marilyn Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) References: <3DC1055F.20701@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:23:32 -0500 Status: RO HAPPY DANCE!!!!!!! My luftwaffe buddy has family in Munich that he is visiting in a couple weeks and he is going to go look for the book for me as a christmas present !!!!!!!!!!!! *poing* *poing* *poing* margali who has to settle down to finish pearling a veil for Tara's wedding in 2 weeks;-( but would rather be fondling the book. Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > It is in German, but someone translated some of it. > > "Textile Treasures from Renaissance and Baroque" > at the 'Bayerisches Nationalmuseum' until February 16th, 2003, from > Tuesdays to Sundays 10 - 17, Thursdays 10 - 20. Mondays closed > There is also a wounderfull publication for the exhibiton. The fotos are > well done, you can see the colors and details better than in the dark > exhibition room! It costs EUR 25,00. > (I'll try to get more information aboud this book) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 08:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13371 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DQ6NP005342; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DQ07g017575; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2DPN7g017452 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.101] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A19363C202C2; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c28273$abc109c0$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C28249.C2125500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] winter hand covers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:28:01 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C28249.C2125500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our 1790s house "on the frontier" has queried what women might use for = warmth of their hands, particularly on the street, The population is = diverse. 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------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C28249.C2125500-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 08:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13426 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2Dm1NP005911; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2Dm07g021598; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2Dl67g021445 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be97.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.151]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 07720264B9D for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:47:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c28276$bb37e6f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3DC1055F.20701@kabelfoon.nl> <3DC3D1D4.3080900@99main.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:49:57 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I went and looked at some pictures from the exhibition. That bodice is very interresting. There are very few garments left from this time. I must have their catalog, cause i cant go. Can you buy their catalog from the museum shop? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Traber" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) > HAPPY DANCE!!!!!!! > > My luftwaffe buddy has family in Munich that he is visiting in a > couple weeks and he is going to go look for the book for me as a > christmas present !!!!!!!!!!!! > > *poing* *poing* *poing* > > margali > who has to settle down to finish pearling a veil for Tara's > wedding in 2 weeks;-( but would rather be fondling the book. > > Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > > It is in German, but someone translated some of it. > > > > "Textile Treasures from Renaissance and Baroque" > > at the 'Bayerisches Nationalmuseum' until February 16th, 2003, from > > Tuesdays to Sundays 10 - 17, Thursdays 10 - 20. Mondays closed > > > There is also a wounderfull publication for the exhibiton. The fotos are > > well done, you can see the colors and details better than in the dark > > exhibition room! It costs EUR 25,00. > > (I'll try to get more information aboud this book) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 09:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13514 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:15:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2EG2NP006830; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2EG17g026893; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1K38Js023736 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:03:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22182 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:03:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001001c281e1$cb2ace00$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20021101132444.00afba50@mail.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Colonial-Early Federal U.S. Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:03:48 -0600 Status: RO The exibit will be open well into 2003 for "What Clothes Reveal." This is an excellent book and I stayed up very late with my copy. Even for costume mavens their is a wealth of information, including fascinating sidebars(some cover an entire page), debunking costume myths, the creation of such myths, fabric terms and meanings, and the last: the meaning of a costume curator's own wear right before a new exibition. The book covers the whys and wherefores of why some costumes survive, alterration history, the clothing of lower classes and slaves(Have you always wondered if the U.S. always ran a trade deficit?--Yes, it has always been cheaper to import manufactured goods), and finally alterration of surviving clothing for historic events and fancy dress in the late 19th to early 20th century. To me the most fascinating chapter was "Cradle to Grave" begining with bridal wear and ending with mourning attire. Lucky was the pre-safety pin child whose mom used diapers(history of that term given within the book)made with ties rather than relying on straight-pin fastening. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE: 402.280.5144 FAX: 402.280.5134 brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 14:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14791 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:25:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JP6NP020464; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JP17g006788; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JOB7g006548 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2JKO3r005568 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:20:26 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gothic Cape/ (was Timely Topic) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DC2887A.E1FFB608@bigpond.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:25:49 -0800 Status: RO Linda and Claire, I must admit I don't have a picture to hand of a woman wearing her cloak like this. However! I don't have a picture of a woman wearing a coat (except in the 1600's either :-). The good thing about the side opening cloak is that it IS a period solution to the problem of walking and having your cover fly open and let in the elements. I suspect we see the central opening cloaks on women because they are particularly formal items rather than "useful", but don't hold me to it. The other possibility for an early period is of course the Manesse guardcorps which are seen on both men and women. Another dodge that is modern, but would get you the look of a center opening cape combined with a "coat" that fits fairly closely to the body is something I bought 20 years ago as ready-to-wear. it was a cylindrical, knee length sleeveless "coat" with a 2/3 circle cape attached at the neck and a bit down the front arm hole opening. The coat part protected you all around while the cape part belled out and looked good. I added a hood with capelet to add extra warmth/rain protection (at that time I was in Drachenwald, Knights Crossing and rain was still the problem). I loved it, even though the entire outfit made me feel a bit like Little Red Riding Hood (we weren't far from the country of the Brothers Grimm). Whether the hood on the men's cloaks is attached or not is anybody's guess. I suspect that it is separate in some way because I have problems figuring out how they would be attached and get that effect. Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Claire Clarke Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:58 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Cape/ (was Timely Topic) Linda Rice wrote: > Thanks for the great suggestion and illos, Wanda. I noticed that while > the cape is buttoned down the right shoulder, the hood arrangement is > situated correctly on the head. Do you think that the cape and hood are > separate items, (thus the hoodless cape is simply rotated to open > off-center) or is this an integral feature of a one-piece garment? > > Also, the brasses show this treatment for men's capes. Do you think it's > appropriate for women's capes as well? The brass of John Lyndewode and > his wife shows something completely different for her. > > Thank you, I appreciate any insight anyone may have. > I'm afriad that I can't recall off the top of my head any instance of women with cloaks or mantles from this period that didn't open at the front. All the funky openings seem to be reserved for men. Claire (which isn't to say that a) I've seen every picture there is, or b) women didn't borrow their husbands cloaks sometimes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 14:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14841 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:34:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JZ2NP021015; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JZ17g009121; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2JY67g008849 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.184.155.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.184.155]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18841z-0006gS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:34:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021030163533.00a1ed90@mail.attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021030163533.00a1ed90@mail.attbi.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Timely Topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:57:33 -0800 Status: RO At 4:35 PM -0800 10/30/02, MaryAnn Jones wrote: >when do sweaters appear as outerwear? According to Bishop Rutt's book on the history of handknitting (AKA the historical knitter's bible :), there are very elegant silk knitted jackets and shirts beginning in the early to mid 1600s -- King Charles I is supposed to have worn such a shirt (called a "waistcoat" at the time) to his execution. There's also a group of elaborately color-patterned silk jackets, most of which open down the front, whose source is a bit uncertain -- possibly Italy (wherever they're from, there's a big group of them and they are all fairly similar). However neither of these seems to be an outdoor garment. King Charles's "sky blue waistcoat" was clearly worn _under_ several other layers, since he is recorded as having taken off outer layers until the blue "waistcoat" was revealed. Both this and the silk jackets seem to be quite thin, rather on the order of a very lightweight woman's cardigan sweater, and since they're silk, they were probably not worn in heavy weather or for warmth. The modern "sweater phenomenon" where virtually everyone wears these knitted over-shirts for warmth seems, however, to date only to the late 19th or early 20th century, when they suddenly became fashionable, especially for golf and other outdoor sports. (And for anyone who hasn't heard this yet, Interweave Press is planning to reprint Rutt's book sometime in 2003 -- excellent news, since it's been out of print for about ten years and the prices online for used copies have tended to start at $80-$100 and go up from there.....) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 15:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15100 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2KA3NP022620; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA2KA17g017351; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA2K9K7g017165 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:09:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021102200919.14969.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:09:19 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mans shirt 1723 To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002601c281f6$7cb85bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Bjarne, I studied all my portraits from 1650-1740 and the most usual way to close a shirt is indeed two buttonholes and a ribbon to close it. Towards the 1720s-30s buttons are coming more into use, still, two buttonholes can be seen as well still. Nicole --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello again. > It is so quiet here these days, usually i get much more emails from > h-costume, but i guess you have all ben buisy with the hollidays. > Today i found a picture of the composer Vivaldi from 1723. It shows him in a > shirt. The collar of the shirt has 2 buttonholes in each side and there is a > drawstring to close the collar with. > Was this the ordinary way to close a shirt? > Was buttons more rare? > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 20:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA31ZENP007042; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA31Z47g029693; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA31Yf7g029584 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:34:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=99main.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1889ey-0006YG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:34:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC47C72.2070103@99main.com> From: Marilyn Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) References: <3DC1055F.20701@kabelfoon.nl> <3DC3D1D4.3080900@99main.com> <001c01c28276$bb37e6f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:31:30 -0500 Status: RO Not a clue, I am in america and he is in germany....I just saw the post about the book onlist and asked him if he would consider getting it for me;-) margali Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > I went and looked at some pictures from the exhibition. That bodice is very > interresting. There are very few garments left from this time. I must have > their catalog, cause i cant go. > Can you buy their catalog from the museum shop? > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>HAPPY DANCE!!!!!!! >> >>My luftwaffe buddy has family in Munich that he is visiting in a >>couple weeks and he is going to go look for the book for me as a >>christmas present !!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>*poing* *poing* *poing* >> >>margali _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 22:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17710 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:06:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3373NP010912; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA33717g019758; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA336G7g019600 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.11f.193dc5fc (30950) for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10581 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:06:07 EST Status: RO --part1_11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have friends in Germany who wrote me about this exhibition. To make things worse one of the curators is even running a workshop on how to reproduce a man's doublet (1630). I wished I could go. The book is supposed to be excellent. It cost Euros 25.00 and I am fairly sure you can order it either from the museum shop or contact the museum directly. It also is supposed to have patterns in it. I asked my friends when they attend the workshop to take good notes and to PLEASE PLEASE share them and get me copies of whatever handouts they will get. I will share once I have them. Elisabeth --part1_11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have friends in Germany who wrote me about this exhibition.  To make things worse one of the curators is even running a workshop on how to reproduce a man's doublet (1630).  I wished I could go.  The book is supposed to be excellent.  It cost Euros 25.00  and I am fairly sure you can order it either from the museum shop or contact the museum directly.  It also is supposed to have patterns in it.  I asked my friends when they attend the workshop to take good notes and to PLEASE PLEASE share them and get me copies of whatever handouts they will get.  I will share once I have them.
Elisabeth --part1_11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 2 22:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17750 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:19:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA33K3NP011395; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA33K17g022717; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA33J17g022520 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6986 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-112-119.sonic.net [209.148.112.119]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gA33Ix029388 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:18:59 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DC495DF.72818635@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) References: <11f.193dc5fc.2af5ec9f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:19:59 -0800 Status: RO What is the name of the museum and the exhibit, and what is the title of the book? Thanks, Fran Grimble BOSTONHAHN@aol.com wrote: > I have friends in Germany who wrote me about this exhibition. To > make things worse one of the curators is even running a workshop on > how to reproduce a man's doublet (1630). I wished I could go. The > book is supposed to be excellent. It cost Euros 25.00 and I am > fairly sure you can order it either from the museum shop or contact > the museum directly. It also is supposed to have patterns in it. I > asked my friends when they attend the workshop to take good notes > and to PLEASE PLEASE share them and get me copies of whatever > handouts they will get. I will share once I have them. > Elisabeth -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! 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Anyone have any places to send me? not to be indelicate, but what would one wear under it if you were wearing it instead of a gown. also, what time frame would they span? thanks >_________________________________________________________________ >Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 00:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18162 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:26:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35R3NP016067; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35R07g017132; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35QT7g017044 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a223.in-tch.com [66.62.107.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA35B5D16758 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:11:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC4B391.CDF8AAD8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mans shirt 1723 References: <002601c281f6$7cb85bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:26:41 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Bjarne....No holidays in my parts (Election Day coming up on Tuesday, but that's not a holiday for me). Just really busy. Plus, I was internet-less for a while--my ISP got hacked, and they had to "institute security measures" (isn't that a meaningless phrase....). They changed all our passwords (yeah, without notifying folks beforehand), and everyone's without access until their new, individual passwords get put into the system. I'm okay as of this evening. Obligatory Costume Content: Went down to JoAnn's (local and only fabric place) to buy some polar fleece to make an extra blanket for my bed. They have this little, tiny island of wool (maybe 12 bolts, total? and some are pinstripes.....*sigh*). I got 5 yds of this lovely, light-weight wool twill that's a very dark red/brown (burgundy? maroon? but without the "blue" tones--more like a very, very dark brick red). It's gonna be an undergown for the 16th c. Flemish wardrobe I'm working on (which makes it all Drea's fault....;-P) It's in the washing machine as I type, getting itself fulled. I just *love* the expressions on the salesladies' faces when I mention tossing $10/yd, dry-clean only fabric into a washing machine, and they're all over themselves, trying to tell me why that's a *bad* idea, and I'm trying to explain to them that I *want* the wool to behave like wool! :-) Now, if I could just find a source for mid-16th c. shoes...the obvious sources I've got are all either earlier or later....hmmmm...... --sue, hoping you're all having a great weekend! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello again. > It is so quiet here these days, usually i get much more emails from > h-costume, but i guess you have all ben buisy with the hollidays. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 00:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18176 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:32:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35X3NP016292; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35X17g018219; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA35Wa7g018120 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:32:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a223.in-tch.com [66.62.107.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA35HCD18069 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:17:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC4B500.C08A4CC7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween costume photos? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:32:48 -0700 Status: RO Wow! I'm impressed! And the costume looks good, too! --sue, who didn't do Halloween this year..... Kala Jathos wrote: > > Welllll... I've only got two pictures of mine. Not very good quality, > staging, etc, because they were taken at the costume shop where I work in > between classes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 01:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18382 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:45:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA36j9NP018747; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA36j17g001476; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA36hw7g001275 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9631 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO livingroom) ([170.215.246.78]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Nov 2002 06:43:57 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c28304$62448240$01fea8c0@livingroom> From: "Lyn Greaves- home" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021102203046.00a22090@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] spanish surcoat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:43:56 -0500 Status: RO First stop- Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion (the earliest of the time periods). At the back are 2 examples of the style (as well as examples of what to wear under it). What country are you looking at? The English wore different underthings than the Spanish or the Italians. Time period also changes things (i.e. Elizabeth I wore a bodice with beaded underskirt and trimmed overskirt with one in a portrait of her and the 3 goddesses- but earlier periods tended to be more relaxed). Lyn Greaves ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaryAnn Jones" To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] spanish surcoat > I want to find out about the spanish surcoat. Anyone have any places to > send me? not to be indelicate, but what would one wear under it if you > were wearing it instead of a gown. also, what time frame would they span? > thanks > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 09:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24490 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3ExINP002520; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:59:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Ex07g017362; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Ewt7g017348 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.118] (pm4-118.eos.net [205.133.149.118]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26522 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:58:52 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021102190008.825.11165.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: forehead cloths Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:56:44 -0500 Status: RO Let me begin by saying that I don't have the slightest idea of how "forehead cloths" or "cross cloths" or whatever they're called were actually worn. I saw instructions somewhere that I can't recall, so I can't vouch for them. But this is what I do. I have a square of white linen that I fold in half on the cross, with two strips of flat lacing on the corners. I pull my hair back (I have bangs, and they are so hard to control) and put this on like a scarf, with the long fold on the bias covering the upper part of my forehead. I take the laces OVER my head, about the top of my head, and tie them back at my neck. Then I wear coifs or other headgear on top. I tried this once with a specific headdress and now I wear it for almost anything. It keeps my hair under control!!!! Believe me, that is a first for me. It rarely moves, and it's a great anchor for pins and other fabric bits. So there you go, I hope it helps someone else. Gail Finke PS: I remember now, this was partly inspired by someone on the list talking about how muslim women hold their veils on. I looked at a couple of Muslim veil web sites and saw that they can buy little headpieces that keep the veils on, and I thought the directions I'd once read (again, I have no idea where) for a forehead cloth would work the same way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 11:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24975 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:46:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3GkNNP007418; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Gk17g007742; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Gjh7g007670 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2478 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 16:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.195.214]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Nov 2002 16:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c28358$7a9d8720$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:45:55 -0500 Status: RO I found this on sale, while looking for something else, of course. The price - under $10! is so tempting I just had to share. Does anyone have this book, or know about it? I have a very old address book from them with a lot of miniatures in it, and I treasure that. Rowena By Graham Reynolds, with Katharine Baetjer. A catalogue of the Museum's collection of European portrait miniatures, dating from the early 16th century to about 1850. 224 pages, 380 illustrations (60 in color). 9 1/2 in. x 11 1/4 in. Cloth. Original price $65.00 European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art E0689 Member Price: $8.96 each Non-Member Price: $9.95 each _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 12:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25088 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:02:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3H38NP008101; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3H277g010842; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3H157g010602 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip47.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.47]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gA3H0cY11792 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] spanish surcoat Message-ID: <3DC4E53F.20375.185B3290@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20021102203046.00a22090@mail.attbi.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:58:39 -0800 Status: RO > I want to find out about the spanish surcoat. Anyone have any places > to send me? not to be indelicate, but what would one wear under it if > you were wearing it instead of a gown. also, what time frame would > they span? thanks The first of these seem to show up on women during the 1540's. (Christina of Denmark in the famous Holbein painting, for example.) For men they seem to be an outgrowth of the gowns they were wearing (such as Henry VII and several other brasses and manuscripts from the 1480s). They can be found at least through the early 17th Century, although they changed in form. How they were made depends on the time period and place. Some (such as the ones in Alcega's pattern book or the Milanese Tailor Book) are fairly simple. Some of the later ones, such as those in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620 are more complicated in terms of cut and pleating. As to what was worn under them, in period they were a coat. They always had some sort of outfit under them such as a loose gown (A- line type of thing), dress (with bodice and skirt made as one), bodice and skirt (separate pieces, can be plain or fancy such as heavily beaded). (By bodice I mean something like a man's doublet as the can be seen in many paintings.) The coat was often worn open so that the dress can be seen (Boucher's 20,000 Years of Fashion has many examples of these coats.) In some of the later periods they might be firmly closed down the front to the waist, then expand out over the farthingale showing a forepart or skirt beneath. But the bodice was seen in the sleeves which are exposed since this type often had short puffed sleeves. Probably the easiest way to wear them (which was also done in period, by the way) is to wear an A-line dress underneath. It can be plain or fancy. The nice thing about this combination is that it expands for pregnancy or when we are overweight or in the process of losing weight, and it doesn't require as much fitting as those with bodices (either attached in a dress or separate with a skirt.) However, if you don't really care if it has all the correct underpinings, then you can wear a chemise and skirt underneath, making sure that the bodice part of the coat is firmly closed, with fake sleeves attached to the coat beneath the short puffed sleeves or coming out of the split sleeves. This is sort of a theatrical fake but I've seen it a lot. (I personally prefer to do A-lines if I want something simple.) Of course, when you have to run for the bathroom in the middle of the night or you get called to court in the middle of packing up your encampment, a surcoat is *really* handy just to throw over your clothes in a hurry. (But this is an emergency purpose, not for regular wear.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 13:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25511 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:42:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3IhBNP012929; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Ih1Ut004500; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3IgPUt004283 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021103184220.TKTX1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:42:20 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art Message-ID: <000001c28328$df22de50$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c28358$7a9d8720$01fea8c0@vaio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:05:02 -0500 Status: RO Can you remember where you saw this at this price? Please don't tease the booklovers like this! Pax, Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art I found this on sale, while looking for something else, of course. The price - under $10! is so tempting I just had to share. Does anyone have this book, or know about it? I have a very old address book from them with a lot of miniatures in it, and I treasure that. Rowena By Graham Reynolds, with Katharine Baetjer. A catalogue of the Museum's collection of European portrait miniatures, dating from the early 16th century to about 1850. 224 pages, 380 illustrations (60 in color). 9 1/2 in. x 11 1/4 in. Cloth. Original price $65.00 European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art E0689 Member Price: $8.96 each Non-Member Price: $9.95 each _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 13:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25531 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Im0NP013160; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Im0Ut005620; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Il0Ut005406 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14131 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.195.214]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Nov 2002 18:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c28369$6cbfa960$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <000001c28328$df22de50$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:47:13 -0500 Status: RO At the Metropolitan Museum web site. metmuseum.org > Can you remember where you saw this at this price? > > Subject: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum > of Art > > I found this on sale, while looking for something else, of course. The > price - under $10! is so tempting I just had to share. Does anyone > have > this book, or know about it? I have a very old address book from them > with > a lot of miniatures in it, and I treasure that. > Rowena > > > By Graham Reynolds, with Katharine Baetjer. A catalogue of the Museum's > collection of European portrait miniatures, dating from the early 16th > century to about 1850. > 224 pages, 380 illustrations (60 in color). 9 1/2 in. x 11 1/4 in. > Cloth. > > Original price $65.00 > European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art > E0689 > Member Price: $8.96 each > Non-Member Price: $9.95 each _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 14:06:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25617 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3J77NP014258; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3J76Ut010013; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:07:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3J6KUt009750 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:06:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021103190615.TQNS1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:06:15 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gothic Cape/ (was Timely Topic) Message-ID: <000001c2832c$363ad460$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:28:57 -0500 Status: RO Wanda and Claire~ Thanks for the responses, I appreciate your thoughts. I agree that an off-center opening is extremely practical, in fact it's how I arrange all my earlier period cloaks and wraps. A large rectangle of fabric and a brooch to fasten it on the shoulder is quick, easy cheap and versatile, as well as correct for early periods. It's also much warmer than traditional capes. Having spent the entire day yesterday outside, where it was mid 40's F and a stiff NW wind blowing, I can say with certainty that a full front-opening cloak is neither practical nor warm. ;o> The 18th c. trader woman down the road was fairing MUCH better in her ankle length wool blanket-coat. It looked like a big red wool bathrobe, and she said she was toasty in it. I was quite envious! What is your opinion of the pelicon, the giant circle-shaped kind with no real opening except two slits for the hands to come through when necessary? It also has a hood which buttons up to close the face as much as possible. It looks warm, and with no opening to flap around it might be a useful cold-weather option. Sorry, I don't have a link to an image, maybe somebody else does? I was trying to determine if Lady Lyndewode was wearing such a garment, I can't really tell if her hands are between the front opening lines or if they are poking through long slits in the cloak itself. The lines up near the bottom edges of her veil get rather indeterminate, so it's hard to tell for sure. And Wanda, I bet you made a charming Little Red Riding Hood! How fun! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gothic Cape/ (was Timely Topic) Linda and Claire, I must admit I don't have a picture to hand of a woman wearing her cloak like this. However! I don't have a picture of a woman wearing a coat (except in the 1600's either :-). The good thing about the side opening cloak is that it IS a period solution to the problem of walking and having your cover fly open and let in the elements. I suspect we see the central opening cloaks on women because they are particularly formal items rather than "useful", but don't hold me to it. The other possibility for an early period is of course the Manesse guardcorps which are seen on both men and women. Another dodge that is modern, but would get you the look of a center opening cape combined with a "coat" that fits fairly closely to the body is something I bought 20 years ago as ready-to-wear. it was a cylindrical, knee length sleeveless "coat" with a 2/3 circle cape attached at the neck and a bit down the front arm hole opening. The coat part protected you all around while the cape part belled out and looked good. I added a hood with capelet to add extra warmth/rain protection (at that time I was in Drachenwald, Knights Crossing and rain was still the problem). I loved it, even though the entire outfit made me feel a bit like Little Red Riding Hood (we weren't far from the country of the Brothers Grimm). Whether the hood on the men's cloaks is attached or not is anybody's guess. I suspect that it is separate in some way because I have problems figuring out how they would be attached and get that effect. Regina Romsey -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Cape/ (was Timely Topic) Linda Rice wrote: > Thanks for the great suggestion and illos, Wanda. I noticed that while > the cape is buttoned down the right shoulder, the hood arrangement is > situated correctly on the head. Do you think that the cape and hood are > separate items, (thus the hoodless cape is simply rotated to open > off-center) or is this an integral feature of a one-piece garment? > > Also, the brasses show this treatment for men's capes. Do you think it's > appropriate for women's capes as well? The brass of John Lyndewode and > his wife shows something completely different for her. > > Thank you, I appreciate any insight anyone may have. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 14:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25834 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:51:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Jo4NP016110; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3Jo1Ut019173; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3JnVUt019034 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021103194926.TZCN1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:49:26 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art Message-ID: <000101c28332$3f29e970$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c28369$6cbfa960$01fea8c0@vaio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:12:09 -0500 Status: RO Oh! Duh! I looked at Amazon and B&N, but didn't think to look at the 'source'! Thanks! Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:47 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale - European Miniatures in the Metropolitan Museum of Art At the Metropolitan Museum web site. metmuseum.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 18:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26737 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:12:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3ND8NP025668; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:13:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3ND1Ut005355; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13406.mail.yahoo.com (web13406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA3NC4Ut005144 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:12:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021103231204.99669.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.133.188] by web13406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:12:04 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] winter hand covers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006301c28273$abc109c0$655183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:12:04 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Gloves, mittens and mitts (like a glove, but ending about halfway down the hand; there are examples in Bradfield and in Burnston's _Fitting and Proper_ were all used. Cheers, Mara --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Our 1790s house "on the frontier" has queried what women might use > for warmth of their hands, particularly on the street, The > population is diverse. Were gloves, mittens or even muffs in common > use? Kathleen > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 18:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26741 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3NE0NP025744; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3NE0Ut005650; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13407.mail.yahoo.com (web13407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA3NDTUt005528 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:13:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021103231328.93724.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.133.188] by web13407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:13:28 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] winter hand covers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006301c28273$abc109c0$655183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:13:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Oops, just realized this doesn't make much sense. Trying again: Gloves, mittens and mitts (like a glove, but ending about halfway down the hand; there are examples in Bradfield and in Burnston's _Fitting and Proper_) were all used. Simple knitted woolen gloves or mittens would be a good choice. Cheers, Mara --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Our 1790s house "on the frontier" has queried what women might use > for warmth of their hands, particularly on the street, The > population is diverse. Were gloves, mittens or even muffs in common > use? Kathleen > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 18:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26876 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3NoENP027480; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3NoCUt013884; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12001.mail.yahoo.com (web12001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA3NngUt013737 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:49:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.232] by web12001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:49:42 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] embroidery designs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi all, Is there a site somewhere or has someone researched embroidery designs used on shifts and chemises from 1800-1910. I'm getting my winter projects ready and need to start with the under-garments which means lots of embroidery, about which I know nothing. Also where is a good place to get insertion lace and lace with two scalloped edges? All the shops around here have lace with one flat and one scalloped edge or the lace looks so polyester it's ridiculous. Thanks. Is there a American Civil War ladies costume list or site that is particularly good. I can't seem to find the Civil War lady magazine stats and it looks like it has had some really good articles. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 19:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26948 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4031NP028072; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4030Ut016762; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4029Ut016517 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpGBqxYR8ZYsUjZ2VxrjH07H+nVKu3ALCA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGQUN4QP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:01:16 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs Message-ID: <20021103.180201.-166349.3.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-11 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:02:01 -0600 Status: RO My favorite online place for trims and laces is: www.cheeptrims.com which has everything one could possibly want. You have to buy in moderate bulk, but most of the stuff I make takes many yards of trims and lace anyway. The prices are the best I've found and they ship quickly. I've never had a problem with any of my orders. No affiliation- just a happy customer. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 19:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26975 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA40A1NP028380; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA40A0Ut018456; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA409LUt018230 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA3NruD09988 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:53:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC5BABC.F0A0BF32@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs References: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 17:09:32 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Cassandra. I'm afraid I don't know anything at all about 19th c. lingerie embroidery (lovely stuff, but not a time period I've studied). As far as the insert-lace goes, ISTR the Lacemaker sells it (at least they used to have some laces in their catalogue...dunno about the website). You might also check Lacis, Hedgehog Handiworks, and Amazon Dry Goods. They're all on-line, AFAIK. --sue, working on her own "winter to-do" list ;-D Cascio Michael wrote: > > Hi all, > Is there a site somewhere or has someone > researched embroidery designs used on shifts and > chemises from 1800-1910. I'm getting my winter > projects ready and need to start with the > under-garments which means lots of embroidery, about > which I know nothing. Also where is a good place to > get insertion lace and lace with two scalloped edges? > All the shops around here have lace with one flat and > one scalloped edge or the lace looks so polyester it's > ridiculous. Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 19:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26984 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA40B0NP028446; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA40B0Ut018691; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA40AgUt018612 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB013035021A; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:10:41 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB00142000A8; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:10:40 -0600 Message-ID: <007f01c28396$95cd7bc0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:10:29 -0500 Status: RO Cassandra, I have some embroidery patterns online for guimpes at http://www.costumegallery.com/McCalls/May_1908/Embroidery.htm I have several beautiful designs in my Delineator collection. On day they will be online. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cascio Michael" To: Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] embroidery designs > Hi all, > Is there a site somewhere or has someone > researched embroidery designs used on shifts and > chemises from 1800-1910. I'm getting my winter > projects ready and need to start with the > under-garments which means lots of embroidery, about > which I know nothing. Also where is a good place to > get insertion lace and lace with two scalloped edges? > All the shops around here have lace with one flat and > one scalloped edge or the lace looks so polyester it's > ridiculous. Thanks. > Is there a American Civil War ladies costume list > or site that is particularly good. I can't seem to > find the Civil War lady magazine stats and it looks > like it has had some really good articles. > Cassandra > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 20:25:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27424 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:25:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA41Q3NP002467; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA41Q1Ut007225; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA41P2Ut007023 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.135] (pm4-135.eos.net [205.133.149.135]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15636 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:25:00 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021103170205.10827.62405.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: spanish surcote Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:22:07 -0500 Status: RO Everyone else gave such great answers that I'm adding an afterthought. Sometimes things seem obvious to the writer, but they arent' to the reader. So in case this wasn't obvious . . . The important thing to remember is that you still wear the undergarments with the Spanish surcote. It can indeed be a shortcut or a way to avoid wearing a lot of garments, but it's not an alternative to, say, wearing a corset. Janet Arnold's book does show a lot of examples. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 20:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27515 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:41:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA41g1NP003165; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA41g0Ut010652; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA41fHUt010482 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:41:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpGBqxYR8ZYsfgvqlIvDWYdO++br7zyO+w=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGQ2C74B; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:40:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: spanish surcote Message-ID: <20021103.194106.-166349.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-10,12-34 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:41:06 -0600 Status: RO Just don't wear a bumroll! I've never seen a portrait that had a surcote that showed any evidence of hip padding, and the one time I saw someone try it, it just looked nasty and wrong. But you should definitely be wearing the rest of the underpinnings, you need the corset for the correct lines even under a surcote, especially if you do one of the mroe fitted 'princess line' versions. Karen On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:22:07 -0500 Gail & Scott Finke writes: > > Everyone else gave such great answers that I'm adding an > afterthought. > Sometimes things seem obvious to the writer, but they arent' to the > reader. > So in case this wasn't obvious . . . The important thing to remember > is that > you still wear the undergarments with the Spanish surcote. It can > indeed be > a shortcut or a way to avoid wearing a lot of garments, but it's not > an > alternative to, say, wearing a corset. Janet Arnold's book does show > a lot > of examples. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 21:34:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27727 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:34:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA42Z3NP005697; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA42Z1Ut022230; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA42YYUt022122 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.f.167bcee (3858) for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f.167bcee.2af736af_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:34:23 EST Status: RO --part1_f.167bcee.2af736af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/2002 6:50:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > > Is there a site somewhere or has someone > researched embroidery designs used on shifts and > chemises from 1800-1910. I have some mid-century shifts with embroidered necklines and sleeve ends. I could try to take some pictures, but they are white on white. It would be a good chance to test my skills with my new digicam. I'll go to the storage unit tomorrow and get them [I've only got about 3 or 4] and see if I can get a decent photo. I'll post and let you know if it worked out and then you [and anyone else] can send me their e-mail address and I'll zip the pics up and send them out. I'll also do the pantalets hems too. May be someone can accurately date them for me. --part1_f.167bcee.2af736af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/2002 6:50:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes:



   Is there a site somewhere or has someone
researched embroidery designs used on shifts and
chemises from 1800-1910.


I have some mid-century shifts with embroidered necklines and sleeve ends. I could try to take some pictures, but they are white on white. It would be a good chance to test my skills with my new digicam.

I'll go to the storage unit tomorrow and get them [I've only got about 3 or 4] and see if I can get a decent photo. I'll post and let you know if it worked out and then you [and anyone else] can send me their e-mail address and I'll zip the pics up and send them out.

I'll also do the pantalets hems too. May be someone can accurately date them for me. --part1_f.167bcee.2af736af_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 22:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28077 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:44:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA43j3NP009229; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA43j1Ut008134; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA43ilUt008055 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com ([12.246.76.5]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021104034441.EFWV14374.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@cc632021-b.attbi.com>; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:44:41 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021103193339.00a23c60@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: spanish surcote In-Reply-To: <20021103.194106.-166349.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:35:28 -0800 Status: RO thanks all for your information. it is such a blessing to be able to go to this group and get the answers immediately. I ordered the pattern and know what I am going to do. I actually was wondering about the bum roll. I am going to make my corset as soon as I find somebody to tape me, now that I finally found the tape. It is all such an adventure. thanks again, maryann At 07:41 PM 11/3/2002 -0600, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: >Just don't wear a bumroll! I've never seen a portrait that had a surcote >that showed any evidence of hip padding, and the one time I saw someone >try it, it just looked nasty and wrong. > >But you should definitely be wearing the rest of the underpinnings, you >need the corset for the correct lines even under a surcote, especially if >you do one of the mroe fitted 'princess line' versions. > >Karen > > >On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:22:07 -0500 Gail & Scott Finke >writes: > > > > Everyone else gave such great answers that I'm adding an > > afterthought. > > Sometimes things seem obvious to the writer, but they arent' to the > > reader. > > So in case this wasn't obvious . . . The important thing to remember > > is that > > you still wear the undergarments with the Spanish surcote. It can > > indeed be > > a shortcut or a way to avoid wearing a lot of garments, but it's not > > an > > alternative to, say, wearing a corset. Janet Arnold's book does show > > a lot > > of examples. > > > > Gail Finke > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 3 23:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28204 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA44P2NP011457; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA44P1Ut016729; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA44OhUt016665 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2injrlq.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.238.186] helo=meza.wizardsoftware.org) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188Yn4-0004BZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 23:24:43 -0500 From: jlkelley X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <131528295.20021103222224@ix.netcom.com> To: Cascio Michael Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs In-Reply-To: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jlkelley List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:22:24 -0600 Status: RO You could try http://www.marthapullen.com/ she has beautiful lace for insertion and good instructions on how to do it. Also beautiful patterns some from historic clothes in her collection but a lot of it is for children. Still i cannot help but drool over most of the things i have ordered from her. Good service the times i have ordered. She has a beautiful magizine - sigh . . .to much i would love to try and not enough time to do it. i promice i am just a happy customer :) jonica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 00:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28458 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:28:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA45T2NP014381; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA45T1Ut000545; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA45S0Ut000357 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA45CYD29181 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:12:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC60568.2818A60@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:28:08 -0700 Status: RO Writes what???? 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Subject: [h-cost] Nov. Online Costume Classes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:54:06 -0500 Status: RO We have three classes starting at the Costume Classroom www.costumeclassroom.com this week: ***Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Elizabethan Gown (this is made with Margo's pattern) ***A Victorian Lady: Make Your Own Bustle Era Skirt ***Costume Analysis of Four Films Set in 1912-1914 We still have open slots for students in each class. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 04:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16538 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:28:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA49T5NP022784; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA49T0Ut017013; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail23.messagelabs.com (mail23.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA49SaUt016889 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:28:37 -0700 (MST) X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 3515 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 09:20:59 -0000 Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (193.60.149.5) by server-6.tower-23.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 09:20:59 -0000 Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gA49UpX13862.; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:30:52 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:27:28 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: forehead cloths Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA49SaUt016889 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:27:25 +0000 Status: RO The embroidered forehead cloths shown in http://costume.dm.net/headwear/coifpics.html appear to be a single triangular piece rather than a folded square; though the long edge would still be on the bias. Speaking as one with a strong, thick fringe (bangs) which it's difficult to keep out of the way when in costume, Gail's suggestion sounds worth trying. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> gailscott@eos.net 11/03/02 02:56pm >>> But this is what I do. I have a square of white linen that I fold in half on the cross, with two strips of flat lacing on the corners. I pull my hair back (I have bangs, and they are so hard to control) and put this on like a scarf, with the long fold on the bias covering the upper part of my forehead. I take the laces OVER my head, about the top of my head, and tie them back at my neck. Then I wear coifs or other headgear on top. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR Item # 974909500 The description is as 'good' as the pictures. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 06:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17015 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Bf2NP026194; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Bf0Ut008340; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4BeJUt008202 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (pcp02823258pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.255.99]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5100E8KV2VPU@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 06:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell In-reply-to: <20021104055500.5900.28980.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104063309.0387eea8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery designs (Cascio Michael) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 06:39:56 -0500 Status: RO At 15:49 PM 11/3/2002 -0800, Cascio Michael asked: >Also where is a good place to get insertion lace >and lace with two scalloped edges? >All the shops around here have lace with one flat and >one scalloped edge or the lace looks so polyester it's >ridiculous. What you are looking for in the insertion lace is a shop that sells "heirloom sewing" supplies, such as Martha Pullen (already mentioned). You may find more clues in the back of _Sew Beautiful_ (Dr. Pullen's bimonthly heirloom sewing mag) or _Creative Needle_ (another heirloom sewing mag). The laces Dr. Pullen and her competitors sell are either all, or mostly, cotton and the insertion/attachment edges (depending on whether the lace is an insertion or an edging) have little drawstrings in them that you pull to make the lace lay flat along a curved edge. For the "two scalloped edges", look (among other things) for lace trims marked "galloon". Some vendors occasionally come up with several yards of vintage lace that they put up for sale; you may need to/want to inquire about this as well. You will of course need to pay attention to the patterns of the lace design if you are striving for perfect authenticity. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 06:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17058 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Bt2NP026635; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Bt1Ut010761; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4BsnUt010727 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:54:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from p104-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.209.104] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188fod-0005SG-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:54:48 +1300 Message-ID: <001701c283f8$ff0b3d90$68d1adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:54:45 +1300 Status: RO > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > Item # 974909500 > > The description is as 'good' as the pictures. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=974909500 Oh my, now I don't feel so bad for *losing* a costume competition. Just goes to show winners aren't always chosen for their accuracy.... I will not comment on a person's taste or what they like in a costume, but this should never have won any award for accuracy. That's my beef with it:) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 07:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17250 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Cm3NP028428; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Cm0Ut020439; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.203]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Cl1Ut020184 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [167.142.12.86] (HELO hppav) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 168230673 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 06:47:00 -0600 Message-ID: <005001c28400$384e09a0$560c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> <001701c283f8$ff0b3d90$68d1adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:46:39 -0600 Status: RO > > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > > Item # 974909500 > > > I will not comment on a person's taste or what they like in a costume, but > this should never have won any award for accuracy. That's my beef with it:) For those of us just learning, will someone point out some of the most obvious problems with this costume? I don't like the color, but that doesn't mean much. :-) Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 07:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17260 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:51:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Cq1NP028635; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Cq1Ut021324; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4CpQUt021188 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.85]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5100G92YDODS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 04:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs In-reply-to: <20021103234942.19968.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021104032342.04c327d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 04:50:17 -0800 Status: RO > Is there a site somewhere or has someone >researched embroidery designs used on shifts and >chemises from 1800-1910. I'm getting my winter >projects ready and need to start with the >under-garments which means lots of embroidery, about >which I know nothing. E-bay. As in, go to e-bay, poke around for corset covers, chemises, and petticoats, not to mention those filmy white garden-party dresses, and see what kinds of embroidery and lace are on the originals. Then you do whatever they did. Notice where there is hand embroidery, and where there is machine eyelet, machine bobbin lace, machine Valenciennes lace, crochet, or just tucking. Be sure to familiarize yourself with the shapes of the items you are making, so you'll know what you're looking at on e-bay. Some dealers describe things as 'Victorian' when what they have is Victorian-look, Victorian-style, or Gunnie Sax pieces. And other dealers will call anything 'Victorian', even if it was made after Victoria, or her successor, Edward, had died (I'm forever seeing "Victorian Flapper" dresses advertised). I just spent an hour poking around e-bay, to double-check and see if this message was worth posting. The following items were found when I went to " Home > All Categories > Clothing & Accessories > Vintage Clothing, Accessories > Clothing (Pre-1980)". Plug in the item numbers in the 'search' box to see what I found. 108 items found for Victorian dress c1900 VICTORIAN Eyelet LACE Dress BEAUTIFUL Item # 974185576 Victorian Cotton Summer Dress Item # 975390339 VICTORIAN White Cotton Baby Dress Item # 977567247 VICTORIAN BABY~INFANT DRESS~PARIS LACE~BEAUTY Item # 977719857 17 items found for Edwardian dress BEAUTIFUL GIRL'S EDWARDIAN WHITE DRESS Item # 975639246 Lovely Dotted Swiss Edwardian Tea Dress Item # 977988810 Edwardian LINGERIE DRESS Eyelet & Lace 1908 Item # 977941269 2 items found for Edwardian camisole Edwardian eyelet camisole, MOP buttons Item # 975071784 Gibson Girl 1900s Camisole Edwardian Era Item # 977797627 5 items found for Victorian camisole beautiful~ANTIQUE/VINTAGE CAMISOLE~victorian Item # 975619483 Sweet and Sexy Victorian camisole Item # 977666739 Victorian Chemise or Camisole Item # 977296103 Victorian Camisole/Corset Cover~Filet Lace!! Item # 975644550 8 items found for Victorian petticoat 1890's victorian petticoat, look! Item # 975140216 Full Length Victorian Lace Petticoat! Item # 975291332 VICTORIAN PETTICOAT SLIP W/ EMBROIDERED GAUZE Item # 975616274 DARLING CHILD'S ANTIQUE VICTORIAN PETTICOAT Item # 977974289 Victorian Muslin Petticoat Crochet Trim Item # 975709307 Vintage VICTORIAN White dbl Flounce PETTICOAT Item # 977968453 4 items found for Edwardian petticoat Edwardian Petticoat Pin Tucks Lace 30" Waist Item # 975072504 Old Edwardian Cotton Lacey Petticoat Sz LG! Item # 975363855 Vintage FRENCH EDWARDIAN Long Slip PETTICOAT Item # 977565484 2 items found for corset cover 1910 +/- Risque corset cover net and ribbon Item # 974976786 3 items found for drawers Victorian/Edwardian Child's Buttoned Drawers Item # 975073705 VICTORIAN COTTON BLOOMERS DRAWERS LACE OPENED Item # 977421031 33 items found for chemise VINTAGE - ANTIQUE CHEMISE MUST SEE!! Item # 975439207 Silk Chemise w/Lace--tea colored--Victorian Item # 975494843 Mint Irish Linen & Broderie Anglais Chemise Item # 975555346 Beautiful Vintage Chemise or Slip LOOK!! Item # 977926588 9th Century Ladies Chemise ID'd NO RESERVE Item # 975709061 15 items found for catalog 1886 Bloomingdale's Catalog Replica MINT Item # 973646189 (Dover reprint) 1891 JORDAN MARSH Illustrated Catalog! Item # 973913785 (reprint) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 08:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17309 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:07:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4D82NP029096; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4D81Ut024450; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4D7jUt024402 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-18-244.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.18.244] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 188gxE-0001Bg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c28403$aa8052a0$f41224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:11:19 -0000 Status: RO Kayta wrote: Subject: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > Item # 974909500 > > The description is as 'good' as the pictures. This was supposed to be my first day 'up' after a lengthy bout of illness. Having looked at this I think I'll go back to bed... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 08:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17351 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:16:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DH2NP029404; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DH1Ut026183; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DG0Ut025957 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-18-244.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.18.244] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 188h5D-0002un-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:15:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c28404$d1ab5f40$f41224d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:19:34 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Well, the first one is said to be from a museum, and to my untutored eye it looks rather more likely than the monstrosity that Kayta skewered for us. Any ideas on the dating of both of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=974980401&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=977505651 best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 08:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17375 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DM1NP029570; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DM1Ut027162; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DLnUt027126 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA4DLnSb027125 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:21:49 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" Message-ID: <20021104062148.H5480@net.indra.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> <000c01c28403$aa8052a0$f41224d9@dan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000c01c28403$aa8052a0$f41224d9@dan> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:21:49 -0700 Status: RO If you follow the link at the bottom to the maker's site, it looks like their custom work is mostly western US, mid to late 1800s. Was it called "Victorian" in the US? I know it wasn't Regency here, it was "Federalist". The gown from eBay is shown under the custom work link, and described as "an entertainer's gown". The maker is the one selling it. http://4dw.net/victorianwardrobe/Menu.html I know little about Victorian, and I know much less about western US during the same period. Perhaps because it's US, an entertainer's gown, and custom, all add up to make it not look like the sort of Victorian re-creation items I'm used to seeing. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 08:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17419 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:32:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DX1NP000111; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DX0Ut029400; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4DWZUt029289 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:32:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021104133235.46439.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:32:35 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001401c28404$d1ab5f40$f41224d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Gods how UGLY!!! Rarely have I seen anything so awful *shudder* I don't have a clue from when that could be, sorry, but I did have to blurt out that I really rarely have ever seen such tasteless monstrosities. :-) Nicole > > Well, the first one is said to be from a museum, and to my untutored > eye it looks rather more likely than the monstrosity that Kayta > skewered for us. Any ideas on the dating of both of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=974980401&rd=1 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=977505651 > > best wishes > > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 09:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17764 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4EX2NP003312; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4EX0Ut014824; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4EW1Ut014491 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a258.in-tch.com [66.62.107.58]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA4EGZD01004 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:16:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC684EE.26376774@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> <001701c283f8$ff0b3d90$68d1adcb@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:32:14 -0700 Status: RO I'm not a Victorian-era type, but somehow, this strikes me as a wierd recreation of some sort of two-part wedding dress. Modern wedding dress. Am I too far off, or is the beading just that overwhelming? --Sue, safely from the "we never do gaudy" 16th c.! ;-P michaela wrote: > > > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > > Item # 974909500 > > > > The description is as 'good' as the pictures. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=974909500 > Oh my, now I don't feel so bad for *losing* a costume competition. Just goes > to show winners aren't always chosen for their accuracy.... > > I will not comment on a person's taste or what they like in a costume, but > this should never have won any award for accuracy. That's my beef with it:) > > michaela > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce > http://recital.tripod.com/costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 10:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22017 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4FI2NP006374; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4FI1Ut029943; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12002.mail.yahoo.com (web12002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4FHqUt029866 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:17:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021104151752.96371.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.252] by web12002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:17:52 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] period embroidery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:17:52 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Thanks for all the good information everyone. I'll be looking forward to how the digicam pics turn out. My daughter wants a really good digicam for her trip to Greece next June and we're planning a trip to Kent State and all their lovely costumes in July so it will be nice to see what someone can do with one when it comes to white-on-white pics. Cheeptrims looks good and so does Martha Pullen, particularly her Martha's attic close-up of antiques. Penny that McCalls' page is wonderful and in my absolute favorite time-frame --- Hips and bosom :-)! Now to add another project to my list. Has everyone doing late period seen the new Attic Copies at Past Patterns? Finally a 1896 blouse with those lovely huge sleeves. What would they have used for sleeve supports I wonder? Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 10:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22064 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:35:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Fa3NP007931; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Fa1Ut008187; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4FZEUt007812 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:34:16 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A36F2DB600D8; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:34:16 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:34:16 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" Message-ID: <000901c28417$dd785400$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005001c28400$384e09a0$560c8ea7@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:35:53 -0600 Status: RO I took a look at this dress, and at her website. My first impression is, she has modified someone's wedding dress bodice. A modern one I mean. I have to give her credit, at least it doesn't have a zipper. Actually, if this was a quick costume put together on a budget, I could excuse its faults. But it certainly isn't worth what they want for it. The skirt has the correct shape, although the bodice does not. But the fabrics and lace look pretty tawdry--nylon and acetate. One glaring problem is the bodice and skirt are of completely different fabric and color. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:47 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" > > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > > Item # 974909500 > > > I will not comment on a person's taste or what they like in a costume, but > this should never have won any award for accuracy. That's my beef with it:) For those of us just learning, will someone point out some of the most obvious problems with this costume? I don't like the color, but that doesn't mean much. :-) Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 11:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22263 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4G48NP010867; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4G41Ut021676; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4G33Ut021164 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpNXT8TIK3mMjbsQ6Tqoa1Hn51EOOlhnoQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGSKPZ9X; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:02:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" Message-ID: <20021104.100313.-899209.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 28-29,38-44,46-65 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:03:13 -0600 Status: RO Well, with my fairly newly acquired expertise in Victorian, I can see a couple of things that are wrong with this outfit. First of all, the bodice is pretty obviously a modern wedding gown pattern. Heck, with that color scheme it could have been salvaged FROM somebody's wedding gown! That neckline doesn't have anything to do with what was being worn during the late 1880's and those sleeves are more or less the sort which were more commonly found about 5 or 6 years later in the full flower of the 1890's. In the late 1880's the sleeve style was very fitted and close to the arm with (maybe) the slightest fullness at the very, very top. Basically it means that those sleeves would have never been worn with a bustle. There are ball gowns that show a bit of fuller sleeve, but these are invariably short. The dramatic color contrast between the bodice and skirt also seemed off to me, I don't see it either in my book of photos from the era, nor is it shown in fashion plates from the period and I looked at both and 'Harper's Bazaar' and 'La Mode Illustree' concentrating on ball gowns which I thought might be the closest analog to an 'entertainer's gown'. None of them showed a contrast that extreme. The inset 'gourd' (I know it's probably a typo, but given the rest of the description it strikes me as funny) is a period usage, but once again, the extreme contrast that the maker has chosen seems highly questionable given what appears to have been common practice. I believe that the shape of the bustle shown with the dress is also incorrect for the late bustle period. It shows the softer, more sloping line of the early bustle period rather than the very geometric, squared off shape of the late bustle period. In addition, the fact that the 'bustle' drape is just an oval(?) piece attached to the back of the skirt seems off to me as well. The period usage for bustle draping was that it was usually integrated into either the bodice (last gasp of the infamous 'cuirass' bodice) or into the front of the skirt with asymmetry being fashionable. Just as a personal note, I was out in Tombstone several years ago and saw a presentation by a group at the site of the OK Corral and while I enjoyed the enthusiastic 'community theater' atmosphere, the costuming was bargain basement B-grade Hollywood Western. If the maker is associated with this group, and it sounds like she might be, then the overall level of costuming she is used to being part of is pretty low on authenticity so this might actually be quite authentic by comparison. All in all, I'd call this a Fantasy Western/Victorian and just give up on tooting the authenticity horn. Just my groats worth, Karen On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:49:25 -0800 Carolyn Kayta Barrows writes: > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > Item # 974909500 > > The description is as 'good' as the pictures. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22502 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:00:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Gw7NP017373; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Gw2Ut022901; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Gv8Ut022438 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:57:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.184] (pm5-184.eos.net [205.133.149.184]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24847 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:57:05 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021104160401.21670.12115.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:54:47 -0500 Status: RO My only comment is that I'm glad I don't have to see what the rest of the gowns in the competition looked like! If this is the best of a lot, then good for the seamstress. She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a few of us confessing our early works . . . Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22547 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4H62NP018189; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4H61Ut027647; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4H5qUt027537 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:05:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.194.fa90f0f (4426) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <194.fa90f0f.2af802e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_194.fa90f0f.2af802e7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:05:43 EST Status: RO --part1_194.fa90f0f.2af802e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:55:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: > > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > > Item # 974909500 > > > BLEK! The wig really enhances this item, no? --part1_194.fa90f0f.2af802e7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:55:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes:


> 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR
> Item # 974909500
>


BLEK!

The wig really enhances this item, no? --part1_194.fa90f0f.2af802e7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22630 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HE5NP019106; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HE1Ut002464; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HD2Ut001758 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.9b.3012a118 (4426) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.3012a118.2af80490@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.3012a118.2af80490_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:12:48 EST Status: RO --part1_9b.3012a118.2af80490_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 7:48:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: > For those of us just learning, will someone point out some of the most > obvious problems with this costume? I don't like the color, but that doesn't > mean much. :-) > Well, everything. It just doesn't have any understanding of the esthetic of the period it's supposed to represent. Even if it were cut from an accurate pattern [yeah...right!], it would fail in every other respect. When designing for another period, not just copying from it, one must research until one gets the look and FEEL of tastes at the time. This goes beyond just clothes into fabrics, furniture, architecture, painting, manners, philosophy.....etc. Then one can put away the research and design. --part1_9b.3012a118.2af80490_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 7:48:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes:


For those of us just learning, will someone point out some of the most
obvious problems with this costume? I don't like the color, but that doesn't
mean much.  :-)


Well, everything.

It just doesn't have any understanding of the esthetic of the period it's supposed to represent. Even if it were cut from an accurate pattern [yeah...right!], it would fail in every other respect.

When designing for another period, not just copying from it, one must research until one gets the look and FEEL of tastes at the time. This goes beyond just clothes into fabrics, furniture, architecture, painting, manners, philosophy.....etc. Then one can put away the research and design. --part1_9b.3012a118.2af80490_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23089 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hh4NP022204; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hh1Ut019935; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HgAUt019424 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.102] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A0B5739033C; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:39:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c28429$dcc94a20$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <001401c28404$d1ab5f40$f41224d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:44:43 -0500 Status: RO >From my own muff collection, I guess about 1905. This seems to be a period when muffs were getting rediscovered after the mid Victorian period. One that I have is black Persian lamb, with a matching stole...and yes, all those little tails! Very 'choice'. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay > Hi all, > > Well, the first one is said to be from a museum, and to my untutored > eye it looks rather more likely than the monstrosity that Kayta > skewered for us. Any ideas on the dating of both of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=974980401&rd=1 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=977505651 > > best wishes > > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:43:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23093 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HhUNP022272; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HhTUt020310; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:43:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4HgUUt019610 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:42:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpNXT8TIK3mM/Oo7Dn1GoFmj2HsHjzrLJA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGSRC9F8; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:41:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian Message-ID: <20021104.114223.-899209.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-14,16-18,20-32 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:42:22 -0600 Status: RO I'd be a lot more understanding if this was a first effort or an early effort. But if you follow the link on the page you will see that she is actually in business making stuff like this and has been for at least a year. In addition, she actually carries 'Truly Victorian' patterns as part of her stock so she had access to good design but failed to use it. But you are correct that we can't judge her winning of the prize as we don't know what the rest of the stuff looked like. Yegads, they were probably even worse! Karen On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:54:47 -0500 Gail & Scott Finke writes: > > My only comment is that I'm glad I don't have to see what the rest > of the gowns in the competition looked like! If this is the best of a lot, > then good for the seamstress. She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a > few of us confessing our early works . . . > > Gail Finke > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23120 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:47:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hl2NP022649; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hl1Ut022486; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HkTUt022041 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.102] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A1B8DA1033C; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c2842a$76f29f20$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Subject: Fw: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:49:02 -0500 Status: RO The round muff [oh,well, oval then] may be from the last decade of the 19th C. KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ermine Muffs on E-bay > Hi all, > > Well, the first one is said to be from a museum, and to my untutored > eye it looks rather more likely than the monstrosity that Kayta > skewered for us. Any ideas on the dating of both of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=974980401&rd=1 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=977505651 > > best wishes > > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 12:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23159 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hs3NP023279; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Hs1Ut026417; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13402.mail.yahoo.com (web13402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4HrmUt026261 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:53:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021104175347.77519.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.170] by web13402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:53:47 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DC684EE.26376774@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:53:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO That's what it looks like to me, too -- like someone went to the thrift shop and got a modern wedding dress and re-made it. It certainly doesn't look like a late 19th c. gown to me! Ah, well... As someone recently said -- to lots of people, History is just one big lump of old stuff with costumes. Just have to shake my head in amazement and move on. -- Mara --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I'm not a Victorian-era type, but somehow, this strikes me as a > wierd > recreation of some sort of two-part wedding dress. Modern wedding > dress. Am I too far off, or is the beading just that overwhelming? > --Sue, safely from the "we never do gaudy" 16th c.! ;-P __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 13:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23218 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4I04NP023959; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4I03Ut029718; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4HxYUt029324 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.102] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A4C9D1C90308; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:56:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c2842c$4a9c9b40$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Subject: Fw: [h-cost] embroidery designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:02:07 -0500 Status: RO If you check Mrs. Beaton's orTreasures in Needlework by Mrs Warren and Mrs Pullan [first published in 1870] and re issued in 1973, you will find any number of patterns and instructions to ornament you nether white things. I do believe that colored work on lingerie was not considered in the best of taste. KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery designs > > > Is there a site somewhere or has someone > >researched embroidery designs used on shifts and > >chemises from 1800-1910. I'm getting my winter > >projects ready and need to start with the > >under-garments which means lots of embroidery, about > >which I know nothing. > > E-bay. As in, go to e-bay, poke around for corset covers, chemises, and > petticoats, not to mention those filmy white garden-party dresses, and see > what kinds of embroidery and lace are on the originals. Then you do > whatever they did. Notice where there is hand embroidery, and where there > is machine eyelet, machine bobbin lace, machine Valenciennes lace, crochet, > or just tucking. > > Be sure to familiarize yourself with the shapes of the items you are > making, so you'll know what you're looking at on e-bay. Some dealers > describe things as 'Victorian' when what they have is Victorian-look, > Victorian-style, or Gunnie Sax pieces. And other dealers will call > anything 'Victorian', even if it was made after Victoria, or her successor, > Edward, had died (I'm forever seeing "Victorian Flapper" dresses advertised). > > I just spent an hour poking around e-bay, to double-check and see if this > message was worth posting. The following items were found when I went to " > Home > All Categories > Clothing & Accessories > Vintage Clothing, > Accessories > Clothing (Pre-1980)". Plug in the item numbers in the > 'search' box to see what I found. > > 108 items found for Victorian dress > > c1900 VICTORIAN Eyelet LACE Dress BEAUTIFUL Item # 974185576 > Victorian Cotton Summer Dress Item # 975390339 > VICTORIAN White Cotton Baby Dress Item # 977567247 > VICTORIAN BABY~INFANT DRESS~PARIS LACE~BEAUTY Item # 977719857 > > 17 items found for Edwardian dress > > BEAUTIFUL GIRL'S EDWARDIAN WHITE DRESS Item # 975639246 > Lovely Dotted Swiss Edwardian Tea Dress Item # 977988810 > Edwardian LINGERIE DRESS Eyelet & Lace 1908 Item # 977941269 > > 2 items found for Edwardian camisole > > Edwardian eyelet camisole, MOP buttons Item # 975071784 > Gibson Girl 1900s Camisole Edwardian Era Item # 977797627 > > 5 items found for Victorian camisole > > beautiful~ANTIQUE/VINTAGE CAMISOLE~victorian Item # 975619483 > Sweet and Sexy Victorian camisole Item # 977666739 > Victorian Chemise or Camisole Item # 977296103 > Victorian Camisole/Corset Cover~Filet Lace!! Item # 975644550 > > 8 items found for Victorian petticoat > > 1890's victorian petticoat, look! Item # 975140216 > Full Length Victorian Lace Petticoat! Item # 975291332 > VICTORIAN PETTICOAT SLIP W/ EMBROIDERED GAUZE Item # 975616274 > DARLING CHILD'S ANTIQUE VICTORIAN PETTICOAT Item # 977974289 > Victorian Muslin Petticoat Crochet Trim Item # 975709307 > Vintage VICTORIAN White dbl Flounce PETTICOAT Item # 977968453 > > 4 items found for Edwardian petticoat > > Edwardian Petticoat Pin Tucks Lace 30" Waist Item # 975072504 > Old Edwardian Cotton Lacey Petticoat Sz LG! Item # 975363855 > Vintage FRENCH EDWARDIAN Long Slip PETTICOAT Item # 977565484 > > 2 items found for corset cover > > 1910 +/- Risque corset cover net and ribbon Item # 974976786 > > 3 items found for drawers > > Victorian/Edwardian Child's Buttoned Drawers Item # 975073705 > VICTORIAN COTTON BLOOMERS DRAWERS LACE OPENED Item # 977421031 > > 33 items found for chemise > > VINTAGE - ANTIQUE CHEMISE MUST SEE!! Item # 975439207 > Silk Chemise w/Lace--tea colored--Victorian Item # 975494843 > Mint Irish Linen & Broderie Anglais Chemise Item # 975555346 > Beautiful Vintage Chemise or Slip LOOK!! Item # 977926588 > 9th Century Ladies Chemise ID'd NO RESERVE Item # 975709061 > > 15 items found for catalog > > 1886 Bloomingdale's Catalog Replica MINT Item # 973646189 (Dover reprint) > 1891 JORDAN MARSH Illustrated Catalog! Item # 973913785 (reprint) > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 13:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23287 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:03:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4I31NP024285; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4I30Ut001554; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4I2LUt001118 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1c6.114cea9 (4254) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:02:01 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.114cea9.2af81019@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c6.114cea9.2af81019_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:02:01 EST Status: RO --part1_1c6.114cea9.2af81019_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/02 9:01:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a few of us > confessing our early works . . . > Let's see, the sleeves from L. Cranch's Portrait of Sybilla of Cleves attached by ties to a mid-fifteenth century fur trimmed V necked gown with false under gown which laced on both sides in a 100% gold polyester brocade. I got so many compliments on that dress too! It looked good to me at the time but not now. The unfortunate thing is it was for a friend's renewal of vows ceremony so the picture of it is prominently displayed in her home for all to see (and jeer)! It is true though, one does have to start somewhere. Lisa --part1_1c6.114cea9.2af81019_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/02 9:01:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a few of us
confessing our early works . . .


Let's see, the sleeves from L. Cranch's Portrait of Sybilla of Cleves attached by ties to a mid-fifteenth century fur trimmed V necked gown with false under gown which laced on both sides in a 100% gold polyester brocade.  I got so many compliments on that dress too!  It looked good to me at the time but not now.  The unfortunate thing is it was for a friend's renewal of vows ceremony so the picture of it is prominently displayed in her home for all to see (and jeer)!  It is true though, one does have to start somewhere.

Lisa --part1_1c6.114cea9.2af81019_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 13:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23309 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:11:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IB8NP025082; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IB4Ut006219; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IAWUt005859 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:10:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.102] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A75C17330336; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c2842d$d3573de0$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104014738.00ca4460@mail.frys.com> <001701c283f8$ff0b3d90$68d1adcb@michaela> <3DC684EE.26376774@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:13:06 -0500 Status: RO This strange ensemble had another life as a wedding gown and has been dickied up for entertainment for sure. The style and placement of the beaded motifs are right out of a costume supply catalogue. I sure hope that it isn't intended for an Historical event like a Christmas candlelight tour.If it survives in someone's closet for a hundred years, it will still be screaming "1990s" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" > I'm not a Victorian-era type, but somehow, this strikes me as a wierd > recreation of some sort of two-part wedding dress. Modern wedding > dress. Am I too far off, or is the beading just that overwhelming? > --Sue, safely from the "we never do gaudy" 16th c.! ;-P > > michaela wrote: > > > > > 7 pc. Victorian 1889 Beaded Bustle Gown NR > > > Item # 974909500 > > > > > > The description is as 'good' as the pictures. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=974909500 > > Oh my, now I don't feel so bad for *losing* a costume competition. Just goes > > to show winners aren't always chosen for their accuracy.... > > > > I will not comment on a person's taste or what they like in a costume, but > > this should never have won any award for accuracy. That's my beef with it:) > > > > michaela > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce > > http://recital.tripod.com/costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 13:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23359 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IH3NP025675; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IH1Ut009899; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IFvUt009208 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:15:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.12b.1a4d6f42 (3932) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.1a4d6f42.2af81352@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.1a4d6f42.2af81352_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:15:46 EST Status: RO --part1_12b.1a4d6f42.2af81352_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 9:33:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > , this strikes me as a wierd > recreation of some sort of two-part wedding dress. Modern wedding > dress. My sentiments exactly. I late 19th century gown could be beaded, but not quite like this! Ann Wass --part1_12b.1a4d6f42.2af81352_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 9:33:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


, this strikes me as a wierd
recreation of some sort of two-part wedding dress.  Modern wedding
dress. 


My sentiments exactly.  I late 19th century gown could be beaded, but not quite like this!
Ann Wass --part1_12b.1a4d6f42.2af81352_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 13:22:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23388 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:22:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IM1NP026208; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4IM0Ut012940; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4ILDUt012437 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.187.108e3818 (3932) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <187.108e3818.2af8148e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_187.108e3818.2af8148e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:21:02 EST Status: RO --part1_187.108e3818.2af8148e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 12:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > and I recall a few of us > confessing our early works . . . > > Yes, mine was truly awful--a LOT worse than this, but I didn't try to sell it for almost $2000, either. Ann Wass --part1_187.108e3818.2af8148e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 12:01:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


and I recall a few of us
confessing our early works . . .



Yes, mine was truly awful--a LOT worse than this, but I didn't try to sell it for almost $2000, either.
Ann Wass --part1_187.108e3818.2af8148e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 14:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23792 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:24:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4JO9NP003777; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4JO2Ut020721; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4JNEUt020230 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp163.directcon.net [206.170.184.163]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA4JMxsC017427; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:23:00 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021104112646.01006ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early Efforts, was: prizewinning victorian In-Reply-To: <1c6.114cea9.2af81019@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:26:46 -0800 Status: RO > She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a few of us > confessing our early works . . . 1977: "Elizabethan Court Dress", pale yellow lightweight satin, with black velvet accents and gold sequin embellished braid. Heavily darted bodice worn over 50's Merry Widow, becasue I'd read that they wore corsets. 18th century style ladder of bows up the front of the bodice, further embellished with swags of gold chain and filligree bits. Huge mahoitered sleeves, with the upper puffs smocked with gold beads, and the lower portions fastened with zippers. Back of the bodice fastened with hooks and eyes, and had ribbons tacked on in a crisscross pattern to make it look like it laced! Forepart of black velvet latticed with cotton lace that I spray painted gold, and rossettes of those plastic faceted beads that crafter grandmas use. At first I wore this with no petticoats at all, for fear of looking fat. Later I figured out I should have a hoop, and made one out of wire that buckled and flooped into weird parabola shapes when I wore it. "Standing" ruff of black lace, that wouldn't stand, so it flopped down my back. Small gold framed mirror and gold filligree purse, hung from the waist on chains. Black ballet slippers and sheer black pantyhose. 50's black velvet hat with ostrich plume attched with big gaudy pin. I got better. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 15:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24387 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:51:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Kp2NP012983; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4Kp0xw012187; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12008.mail.yahoo.com (web12008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.216]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4Kopxw012078 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:50:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021104205045.41524.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.251] by web12008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:50:45 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] e-bay 7-pc beaded gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm going to have to stick in my two cents worth. I used to sell and do alterations on wedding gowns and the bodice is definitely a wedding gown down to and including the beaded lace appliques. If I recall you could order that one with laces because it was supposed to be "period". The teal is a pretty color but the godets don't seem right, especially for a bustle gown. Thanks for the e-bay numbers to look at the embroidery. I don't do e-bay unless someone posts a link here. "Thou shalt not go to auctions when the septic system needs replaced." (DH) Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 16:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24526 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4LH5NP015864; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4LH1xw027273; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4LGJxw026844 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:16:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-19-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.19.177] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 188oa1-0007m6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:16:17 +0000 Message-ID: <005a01c28447$ea73d780$b11327d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021104.114223.-899209.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:19:51 -0000 Status: RO Karen wrote: > I'd be a lot more understanding if this was a first effort or an early > effort. But if you follow the link on the page you will see that she is > actually in business making stuff like this and has been for at least a > year. In addition, she actually carries 'Truly Victorian' patterns as > part of her stock so she had access to good design but failed to use it. Indeed; if you look at http://4dw.net/victorianwardrobe/CustomDresses.html on her website, about half way down the page you will find someone modelling a 'Fully beaded bodice and side gored Entertainer Gown w/ matching capelet and hair piece.' which appears to be the same outfit. No reference to winning prizes, or being worth $1800, though. I know that all's fair in love, war and on e-bay, but I really, really, hope that no-one blows their savings on this tawdry mockery of an historic costume. best wishes Stevie > But you are correct that we can't judge her winning of the prize as we > don't know what the rest of the stuff looked like. Yegads, they were > probably even worse! > > Karen > > > > > On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:54:47 -0500 Gail & Scott Finke > writes: > > > > My only comment is that I'm glad I don't have to see what the rest > > of the gowns in the competition looked like! If this is the best of a > lot, > > then good for the seamstress. She's on her way, anyway, and I recall a > > few of us confessing our early works . . . > > > > Gail Finke > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 17:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24835 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:17:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MH2NP023135; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MH0Rv002617; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MGDRv002157 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Tigershadowe@netscape.net by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ed.60012b5 (16238) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.net (mow-m22.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.138]) by air-in03.mx.aol.com (v89.12) with ESMTP id MAILININ32-1104171558; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:15:58 -0400 From: Tigershadowe@netscape.net (Barbara Corley) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7D1A43DC.113469CD.40982FDE@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Pattern help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:18:25 -0500 Status: RO Has anyone taken a look at these yet? My mother wants something to wear to Dickens-on-the-Strand next month and she spotted these at Jo-Anns last week. Comments, suggestions, other pattern recommendations welcome. Thanks http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI=10013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3418=x&TI=10013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 Barbara Houston, TX __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 17:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24986 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:32:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MV6NP024513; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MV1Rv010107; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4MU4Rv009574 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpNXT8TIK3mMydTgJny/cPkaXVboacDucA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGS9TKPK; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:29:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help Message-ID: <20021104.162937.-899209.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-14,16-21,24,27-42 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:29:37 -0600 Status: RO I don't know what period 'Dicken-On-The-Strand' is supposed to be, but isn't classic Dickens set pre-1860? Those two patterns are actually very good for late 1890's, say about 1897/98. They are designs from "La Mode Illustree' from 1897. Whoever designed them lifted them almost perfectly from the illustrations. If you want to make something that late, then they are a good choice, if you want something more midcentury, then you should look at the Simplicity Civil War era patterns which I understand are quite good for that period. Karen (feeling very Victorian today for some reason.....) On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:18:25 -0500 Tigershadowe@netscape.net (Barbara Corley) writes: > Has anyone taken a look at these yet? My mother wants something to > wear to Dickens-on-the-Strand next month and she spotted these at > Jo-Anns last week. Comments, suggestions, other pattern > recommendations welcome. Thanks > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI= 10013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3418=x&TI= 10013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > > Barbara > Houston, TX > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 17:33:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24990 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MX3NP024652; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MX0Rv011189; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4MWQRv010800 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:32:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [206.124.3.142] (p30.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.142]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16844 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:31:10 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7D1A43DC.113469CD.40982FDE@netscape.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:10:01 -0700 Status: RO on 11/4/02 3:18 PM, Barbara Corley at Tigershadowe@netscape.net wrote: > Has anyone taken a look at these yet? My mother wants something to wear to > Dickens-on-the-Strand next month and she spotted these at Jo-Anns last week. > Comments, suggestions, other pattern recommendations welcome. Thanks > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI=10013 > &pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3418=x&TI=10013 > &pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > These are from the latter half of the century, not from Dickens' period. When I think of Dickens costumes, I think of anything from about 1820 to 1860. Could be earlier than 1820 or later that the book starts, I can't quite recall at the moment, but it ends definitely no later than 1860. Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 18:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25166 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:33:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4NX5NP000437; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4NX0Rv012228; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4NWWRv011970 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A390608501B6; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:32:32 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A39090E0284; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:32:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01d101c2845a$672b28c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] New Class Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:32:12 -0500 Status: RO We have a new online class called "Bias Basics: Making a 1930s Inspired Gown" at the Costume Classroom. It will start in early March and is taught by Kim Grant. She is an expert at working with the bias. We do expect this class to book up quickly. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 19:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25592 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50d4NP012247; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50d2Rv017061; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.120]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50c9Rv016675 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:38:04 -0800 Received: from 208.141.166.35 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:38:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.166.35] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2002 00:38:04.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A7283A0:01C28463] Subject: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:38:04 -0700 Status: RO Well, it's pretty astounding. Very 1980's Nashville to me. Need's Ms. Parton's bosoms and hair, though, to really set it off. What got me the most were the "gourds" in the skirt. Call me nutty, but if one is going to bandy about dressmaking terms, one should endeavor to spell them in the vicinity of correctly. This is truly an example of Caveat Emptor. But what a fun Monday treat. :-) The very sad thing is that there is obviously a heck of a lot of work and talent being misdirected... all that beading and applique, properly applied to something with historic aesthetic, would go far! (And my first attempt at period sewing was pretty bad, so I know from whence I speak! Still... not THIS level of work.) Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 19:41:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25610 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:41:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50g1NP012431; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50g0Rv018162; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA50fXRv017982 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:41:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.178] (pm5-178.eos.net [205.133.149.178]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29267 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:41:31 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021104190007.5742.81865.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: authentic victorian Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:39:09 -0500 Status: RO Okay, I take back everything nice I said (or rather, everything not nice that I refrained from saying). I thought that someone else was selling the dress, not the maker, and that the $599 opening bid was the price ($1,200!). Yes, it's obviously a redone wedding gown, I can't believe anyone would sell it as authentically styled. Oh well, no one has bid so maybe the public is not as naive and/or tasteless as we pessimistically assume. I'm sure that it fits some people's idea of a beautiful dress. It's the "authentic" part I object to. If you look at the link, you can see it on a real live person! And you can also see the seller's other (and apparently only) sewing offering, a "saloon dress." Sigh. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 20:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25759 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51L3NP015517; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51L1Rv002459; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51KiRv002319 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from p21-nas13.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.216.149] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188sOR-0003Ua-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:20:39 +1300 Message-ID: <006601c28469$88d92580$95d8adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:20:08 +1300 Status: RO << The very sad thing is that there is obviously a heck of a lot of work and talent being misdirected... all that beading and applique, properly applied to something with historic aesthetic, would go far!>> Yes, and someone wanted to know what was wrong about it? Everything. Take a look at some real garments, it's too much to ask for everything that's wrong with it if you are trying to explain it to someone with little knowelege of the era: 1888 reception gown, this is close to the end of the decade with a chagnce to more gored and fitted skirts, but as you can see quite a way from the skirt of the costume: http://www.antique-fashion.com/2155.htm 1878-1880 reception gown, from the other end of the era and again very different from the costume. http://www.antique-fashion.com/2083.htm 1880 Wedding Dress http://www.antique-fashion.com/0179.htm And now for the more vibrant examples: http://www.vintagetextile.com/newpage60.htm Blue base with floral design, still vastly different. From about the era I think the costume is trying to approximate.* http://www.vintagetextile.com/newpage78.htm Green and cream later 19thC kick up sleeves and vestige of a bustle, but shaping of sleeve is quite different.* http://www.vintagetextile.com/newpage510.htm One of my favs, vibrant black and gold late 1870s dress, just to show how outrageous some dresses could be (and this is not even close to the most outstanding) I have a few photos of Sarah Bernhardt in amazing 1880s costumes that suit the title of the play she wore them for "Frou Frou", but the trims and puffings are nothing like seen on the costume of the title of this email. The lace appliques are very modern looking. The idea of the shoulder cape is right, and there are plenty of examples of ones made of tiers of lace, but the mix of colours and choice of materials and shaping isn't accurate. << Well, it's pretty astounding. Very 1980's Nashville to me. Need's Ms. Parton's bosoms and hair, though, to really set it off.>> My thoughts exactly, and if people like it then it's not my place to comment, but it's certainly not 1880s, entertainer or not;) << going to bandy about dressmaking terms, one should endeavor to spell them in the vicinity of correctly.>> I was thinking compassionately that it might well have been a spell check glitch;) You know when you just click change and not see what a word is being changed to;) <<(And my first attempt at period sewing was pretty bad, so I know from whence I speak! Still... not THIS level of work.)>> Not even my quickie throw together Ever After masque dress is quite in this category;) And I'm certainly not attempting to pass it off as authentic nor for a stupendous amount of dosh. I never really intended it to be an attempt at historical costuming, but have shoved in in that section of my site as it's not really "fantasy" either;) Again, no quibbles with people's first attempts (and this clearly isn't) just poor representation of the facts. michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume * I'm thinking of making a gown in one of these two styles from some funky blue and silvery cream chinese brocade with a feather like pattern. Sinuous pattern like the green gown, teelish blue like the blue gown... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 20:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25838 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:40:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51e5NP016903; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51e0Rv008631; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA51dVRv008498 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p21.directcon.net [206.170.184.120]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA51ctsC012625; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:38:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021104174232.0105aec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] New List for Pattern Producers In-Reply-To: <20021029.111614.-173877.4.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:42:32 -0800 Status: RO Hi everyone: I've started a new mailing list for those of use who are or want to be in the business of making patterns for sale. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/patternproducers/ to join. Thanks, Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 21:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25940 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:01:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5224NP018166; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5220Rv015349; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA521WRv015224 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.172]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id gA522xl09881 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:03:03 +1100 Message-ID: <048701c2846f$72a5cce0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:02:32 +1100 Status: RO Come to think of it, a few well-placed squashes would stop the skirts blowing up in a strong wind... Being silly today, Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > What got me the most were the "gourds" in the skirt. Call me nutty, but if > one is going to bandy about dressmaking terms, one should endeavor to spell > them in the vicinity of correctly. > > Elizabeth > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 21:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26118 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA52a3NP020411; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA52a1Rv027026; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13401.mail.yahoo.com (web13401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA52Z4Rv026646 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:35:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021105023503.60628.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.133.163] by web13401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:35:03 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021104.162937.-899209.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:35:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO A better choice for Dickens would be some of the patterns from Past Patterns: http://www.pastpatterns.com/1850.html The gathered-front bodice is an attractive look, I think... She's also got an 1830s style dress on another page of the web site. Cheers, Mara __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 21:59:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26286 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5302NP021853; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5301Rv004182; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.152]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA52xvRv004120 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:59:52 -0800 Received: from 169.233.3.149 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 02:59:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.233.3.149] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2002 02:59:52.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[697A69C0:01C28477] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:59:52 -0800 Status: RO I would like to add my 2¢ and say that *nodoy* should EVER win a prize for "originality" for buying out the entire section of venise lace appliques in the bridal section of JoAnns. No, really - I recognized at least three of those - and some of that lace in the back comes pre gathered even. How silly! -Laura _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 4 23:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26760 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:45:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA54j7NP027614; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA54j2Rv004688; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA54isRv004588 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:44:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.e6.310d4604 (16633) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6.310d4604.2af8a6bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:44:43 EST Status: RO --part1_e6.310d4604.2af8a6bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 9:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, corbiegirl@yahoo.com writes: > A better choice for Dickens would be some of the patterns from Past > Patterns: > Yes. The other patterns are too late. I think a Dickens Christmas even should be around 1845 or so....that says "A Christmas Carol". You won't need a hoop then. Just lots of petticoats. And the #708 corset is fantastic! It will work for 1830s too [it's on the 1830s page] and any Dickens period. It's easy to make but doesn't have enough boning for me. I put a bone between each bone marked in the pattern. It has a great shape. I will warn you to make a muslin mock up of the dress first. Sometimes Past Patterns do not fit well for the size indicated. But the basic shapes are correct so make it up in muslin 1st and fit it, then make the corrected pattern up in the real fabric. --part1_e6.310d4604.2af8a6bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2002 9:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, corbiegirl@yahoo.com writes:


A better choice for Dickens would be some of the patterns from Past
Patterns:


Yes. The other patterns are too late. I think a Dickens Christmas even should be around 1845 or so....that says "A Christmas Carol". You won't need a hoop then. Just lots of petticoats.
And the #708 corset is fantastic! It will work for 1830s too [it's on the 1830s page] and any Dickens period. It's easy to make but doesn't have enough boning for me. I put a bone between each bone marked in the pattern. It has a great shape.

I will warn you to make a muslin mock up of the dress first. Sometimes Past Patterns do not fit well for the size indicated. But the basic shapes are correct so make it up in muslin 1st and fit it, then make the corrected pattern up in the real fabric. --part1_e6.310d4604.2af8a6bb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 00:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26866 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55V5NP000109; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55V1Rv017114; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55UhRv017020 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Tigershadowe@netscape.net by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1b1.2d7fdc6 (16213) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.net (mow-m13.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.129]) by air-in01.mx.aol.com (v89.12) with ESMTP id MAILININ11-1105003035; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:30:35 -0500 From: Tigershadowe@netscape.net (Barbara Corley) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <74706C03.2F741931.40982FDE@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:30:58 -0500 Status: RO Thanks everyone. I had a feeling they were the wrong time period. Barbara Houston, TX __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 00:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26896 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55d2NP000463; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55d1Rv019099; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55cMRv018935 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.85]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H53004DZ8ZXG7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: prizewinning victorian In-reply-to: <187.108e3818.2af8148e@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021104210840.00ca4860@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:11:03 -0800 Status: RO >>and I recall a few of us >>confessing our early works . . . > >Yes, mine was truly awful--a LOT worse than this, but I didn't try to sell >it for almost $2000, either. I keep my first SCA costume, and have been known to show it to people on occasion. I've come a long way from my 1971 polyester poplin Albrecht Durer. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 00:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26898 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dBNP000474; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dARv019147; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55cMRx018935 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.85]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H53004DZ8ZXG7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: authentic victorian In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021104211344.04ef3bc0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021104190007.5742.81865.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:16:10 -0800 Status: RO >Okay, I take back everything nice I said (or rather, everything not nice >that I refrained from saying). I thought that someone else was selling the >dress, not the maker, and that the $599 opening bid was the price ($1,200!). > >Yes, it's obviously a redone wedding gown, I can't believe anyone would sell >it as authentically styled. Oh well, no one has bid so maybe the public is >not as naive and/or tasteless as we pessimistically assume. I'm sure that it >fits some people's idea of a beautiful dress. It's the "authentic" part I >object to. If you look at the link, you can see it on a real live person! >And you can also see the seller's other (and apparently only) sewing >offering, a "saloon dress." Sigh. The perverse side of me spent several minutes looking for dates on the event, so I could maybe go there next year and see it. I'd wear something I had made, of course. As it happens, I attended second grade in Tombstone, and rode by their Boot Hill twice every week day. (How long ago was that? The bus driver was very fond of Perry Como on the radio.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 00:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26902 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dENP000490; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dERv019170; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55cNRv018947 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.85]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H53004DZ8ZXG7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality In-reply-to: <048701c2846f$72a5cce0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021104211726.04f19990@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:36:25 -0800 Status: RO >Come to think of it, a few well-placed squashes would stop the skirts >blowing up in a strong wind... Thrown? Oops - I'm being mean. > > What got me the most were the "gourds" in the skirt. Call me nutty, but >if > > one is going to bandy about dressmaking terms, one should endeavor to >spell > > them in the vicinity of correctly. > > > > Elizabeth > > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 00:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26908 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dINP000503; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55dHRv019196; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA55cNRx018947 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.32.85]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H53004DZ8ZXG7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] period embroidery In-reply-to: <20021104151752.96371.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021104212107.04d2ef00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:18 -0800 Status: RO >Finally a 1896 blouse with >those lovely huge sleeves. What would they have used >for sleeve supports I wonder? First, the sleeves were lined with a close-fitting lining, which keeps the puffy part from sliding down the arm and off the hand. Second, the sleeves themselves were hollow, and would have kept in shape by the stiffness of the material, by itself or by being starched. There is a contemporary picture of a gentleman discreetly reaching into a lady's jacket sleeve to re-poof it, and there's a Charles Dana Gibson illustration called something like 'The Story of a Sleeve', where the two newlyweds are sitting a decent distance apart when the porter arrives at their room with their steamer trunk, but one of the bride's sleeves, the one on her new husband's side, is flattened. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 01:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27105 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:53:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA56s3NP003548; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA56s0Rv007689; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA56r7Rv007456 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021105065302.WVCL29857.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: <003301c28497$fbca4320$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104212107.04d2ef00@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period embroidery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:53:01 -0800 Status: RO They also used sleeve supports, which could be down-stuffed "pillows" or little hoops worn around the arm. There are pictures of these in the book from last year's "Extreme Beauty" exhibit at the Met. On the one 1890's that I've made so far, I actually stuffed the sleeve with pillow stuffing! - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] period embroidery > > >Finally a 1896 blouse with > >those lovely huge sleeves. What would they have used > >for sleeve supports I wonder? > > First, the sleeves were lined with a close-fitting lining, which keeps the > puffy part from sliding down the arm and off the hand. Second, the sleeves > themselves were hollow, and would have kept in shape by the stiffness of > the material, by itself or by being starched. There is a contemporary > picture of a gentleman discreetly reaching into a lady's jacket sleeve to > re-poof it, and there's a Charles Dana Gibson illustration called something > like 'The Story of a Sleeve', where the two newlyweds are sitting a decent > distance apart when the porter arrives at their room with their steamer > trunk, but one of the bride's sleeves, the one on her new husband's side, > is flattened. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 04:08:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19922 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5994NP008793; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5991Rv007790; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA598gRv007693 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA14882 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:30:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211050930.BAA14882@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period embroidery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:30:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Kayta wrote: > >Finally a 1896 blouse with > >those lovely huge sleeves. What would they have used > >for sleeve supports I wonder? > > First, the sleeves were lined with a close-fitting lining, which keeps the > puffy part from sliding down the arm and off the hand. Second, the sleeves > themselves were hollow, and would have kept in shape by the stiffness of > the material, by itself or by being starched. There is a contemporary > picture of a gentleman discreetly reaching into a lady's jacket sleeve to > re-poof it, and there's a Charles Dana Gibson illustration called something > like 'The Story of a Sleeve', where the two newlyweds are sitting a decent > distance apart when the porter arrives at their room with their steamer > trunk, but one of the bride's sleeves, the one on her new husband's side, > is flattened. I'll agree that if the shirtwaist was cotton or linen, simple starching will keep it big. In the 1980s, I had a cotton shirt made on an 1890s pattern that I occasionally wore with New Romantic clothes. The sleeve was made all in one piece (no liner) and it still stayed up if I used enough starch during ironing. [gods, I'm glad I don't have photos of some of the things I wore during my transition between punk and new romantic/goth...] --Lee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 06:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15205 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:07:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5B78NP012836; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5B70U0001203; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5B6OU0001103 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 04:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA83520533 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip101.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.101]) by smtp.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A36E20243 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00eb01c284bb$20e58a20$65604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <006601c28469$88d92580$95d8adcb@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:04:34 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" > http://www.vintagetextile.com/newpage78.htm > Green and cream later 19thC kick up sleeves and vestige of a bustle, but > shaping of sleeve is quite different.* > These are all gorgeous, but the green and cream one is just to die for. What an utterly exquisite dress. THIS I would pay $1800 for!! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 07:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15544 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:25:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5CQ3NP015166; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5CQ0U0017981; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5CPrU0017940 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-8-126.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.8.126] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 1892mH-0002WJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:25:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c284c6$fcb66c80$7e0827d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] E-bay HAND PAINTED EDWARDIAN GAUZE & LACE FAN Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:29:29 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, This seems rather pretty, but I know zilch about fans. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=728573733&rd=1 Any observations on dating and usage? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 07:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15600 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ce1NP015762; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ce1U0021084; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Cd8U0020914 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.104] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AB2C116D0338; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:35:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c284c8$ad9a6e60$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <7D1A43DC.113469CD.40982FDE@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:41:34 -0500 Status: RO I bought the first pattern just as something to compare with examples in my collection. To begin, this [even if it was correct] would not be the right period for a Dickens event. It is turn of the 20th century. The other pattern is trying to be late 19th century.. The other problem s begin with the buttons up the back. These bodices always are closed in front , or on the right side. One of the joys of shirtwaists was the fact you didn't need a maid to get dressed. Kathleen. > Has anyone taken a look at these yet? My mother wants something to wear to Dickens-on-the-Strand next month and she spotted these at Jo-Anns last week. Comments, suggestions, other pattern recommendations welcome. Thanks > > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI=100 13&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3418=x&TI=100 13&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > > Barbara > Houston, TX > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 08:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15681 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:02:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5D32NP016680; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5D31U0026399; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5D2oU0026353 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:02:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-8-126.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.8.126] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 1893M1-0003L4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:02:49 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c284cc$25f679a0$7e0827d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:06:26 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-) http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 08:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15766 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:13:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DE2NP017018; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DE1U0029020; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DDwU0029008 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A8061E1EC6; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:13:55 +0000 (GMT) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021105131355.0A8061E1EC6@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:13:54 GMT Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote : > Hi all, > > Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-) > > > http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm And it *can* be bought by the quarter-yard. Accessories rather than clothing, unless you're *very* small, of course. (About £17.... hmm, if I could think of something to do with it, that *is* possible) What do people make of the pattern? What period would that be right for? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 08:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16027 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:53:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DsGNP018761; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DsGU0009212; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.derby.ac.uk (mail2.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.21]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DqNU0008681 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail2.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gA5DpEm11486.; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:51:14 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:52:21 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA5DqNU0008681 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:52:03 +0000 Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >When I think of Dickens costumes, I think of anything from about 1820 to >1860. Could be earlier than 1820 or later that the book starts, I can't >quite recall at the moment, but it ends definitely no later than 1860. Dickens was writing from the late 1830s to his death in 1870, though many of his non-historical novels are set at vaguely defined periods in the earlier part of the century. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 08:54:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16033 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ds1NP018754; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ds0U0009122; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DrsU0009098 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:53:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-209.246.100.24.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([209.246.100.24] helo=jessica.earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18949R-0005MU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 05:53:53 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105084505.00b0a970@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: webwarren@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help In-Reply-To: <20021105044501.4669.84152.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:53:38 -0500 Status: RO At 09:45 PM 11/4/2002 -0700, Karen responded to Barbara's request for help: >>http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI=10013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 >Those two patterns are actually very good for late 1890's, say about 1897/98. >They are designs from "La Mode Illustree' from 1897. Whoever designed >them lifted them almost perfectly from the illustrations. I purchased the blouse pattern a couple of months ago because I liked the look, not too worried about how accurate it would be for what time (I was considering adapting it for mundane use ). I have it currently cut out of a lightweight black wool (sold to me as a challis, but really more of a crepe) but have not yet sewn it up. One thing I noted about the pattern is that the puff on the upper sleeve is done by an undersleeve lining (I think Butterick calls it a "stay")... which means that if your fabric isn't crisp, the puff will droop -- and it will be a problem to iron. At the "Extreme Beauty" exhibit (and in the catalog), I saw a number of boned "sleeve stays" that tied to the corset cover/chemisette/camisole (depending on the era?), and I'm looking towards the idea of using sleeve stays instead of the indicated, umm, lining. While I'm not concerned about authenticity for a blouse I intend to wear primarily mundanely, I'm wondering what would have been the accurate period construction? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 09:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16170 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:15:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5EG1NP019765; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5EG0U0014833; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5ED3U0013962 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1a7.b6a0070 (30970) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.b6a0070.2af92be3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.b6a0070.2af92be3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:12:51 EST Status: RO --part1_1a7.b6a0070.2af92be3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 8:53:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, webwarren@earthlink.net writes: > I'm > wondering what would have been the accurate period construction? > Flat lining the fashion fabric with something that was stuff would do the trick. It could be organdy or even a coarse, stiff linen. If I were making it today I might choose silk organdy if the designer insisted on something period inside the sleeve but a better, and cheeper choice would be some light but uncrushable synthetic. I'd check out the drapery sheer department.... --part1_1a7.b6a0070.2af92be3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 8:53:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, webwarren@earthlink.net writes:


I'm
wondering what would have been the accurate period construction?


Flat lining the fashion fabric with something that was stuff would do the trick. It could be organdy or even a coarse, stiff linen. If I were making it today I might choose silk organdy if the designer insisted on something period inside the sleeve but a better, and cheeper choice would be some light but uncrushable synthetic. I'd check out the drapery sheer department.... --part1_1a7.b6a0070.2af92be3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 09:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16174 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5EH1NP019810; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5EH1U0015107; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5EGoU0015035 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:37 -0500 Received: by NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Late Renaissance Florence exhibit in Chicago Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:25 -0500 Status: RO To bring you an update, the local (Davenport, IA) paper had another little write up about the exhibit on Sunday. Just wanted you to know that our friend, Eleanora of Toledo and her son , Giovanni (by Bronzino) will be there. The article was accompanied by a nearly 3x5" very good, color photo. I am so excited about getting an opportunity to see this painting! The last time I was at the Art Institute (early 90's), they didn't allow cameras; this time I will take a small one and ask again. I've a little talent in art and sewing, but I can't draw doodles compared to this. It's humbling just to see this work in a photo, it may be overload to see this and other exquisite pieces "in person". Good thing my daughter is going with me, she can drag me out of the way so others can see the items. Connie E. Fairchild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 10:58:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17196 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:58:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5FrSNP027012; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5FrPU0023001; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5FcuU0016090 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:38:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021105153856.36496.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:38:56 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021105131355.0A8061E1EC6@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:38:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > Stevie Gamble wrote : > > > Hi all, > > > > Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-) > > > > > > http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm > > And it *can* be bought by the quarter-yard. Accessories rather than clothing, > unless you're *very* small, of course. > > (About £17.... hmm, if I could think of something to do with it, that *is* > possible) > > What do people make of the pattern? What period would that be right for? No period other than the late 20th & early 21st centuries is my guess. :-) But it's pretty, if I were slimmer I could go for a dress like the ones on the page. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 11:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17294 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:15:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GFANP029353; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GF9U0004742; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GEcU0004404 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip171.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.171]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gA5GEU220239 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet Message-ID: <3DC77D1D.22883.227CD051@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021105131355.0A8061E1EC6@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:11:09 -0800 Status: RO > Stevie Gamble wrote : > > > Hi all, > > > > Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-) > > > > > > http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm I have some silk cut velvet very similar to this (only burgundy and different pattern) but it is important to look at the drape of the stuff on the ladies wearing dresses made from it. It is not a firmly woven fabric. It has a *lot* of drape. That means that you need to practically quilt it to a backing fabric to use for historic clothing prior to the 20th C. The pattern is difficult to see since we have only a part of the overall pattern (grrrr) but it looks like one of the 16th C Italian asymmetricals. Depending on the actual size of the design it could be from between late 15th/early 16th C and late 16th/early 17th. (The smaller designs were more late.) So, it could be used (if stabilized) for early 16th C or late 16th/early 17th C in England, France, Spain, Italy, etc. (Anywhere they were using Italian brocades and velvets.) For a similar velvet design see Colorplate 67 in _The Development of Italian Textile Design from the 12th to the 18th Century_ by Antonino Santangelo. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 11:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17334 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:25:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GP2NP000672; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GP1U0010078; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5GO7U0009543 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:24:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VClL4yjebhGqyTBOBqyaw8vmITRH7pZ/vyg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGU7AP6T; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:23:42 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet Message-ID: <20021105.102310.-334313.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-9 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:23:10 -0600 Status: RO One important thing to notice about this fabric is the fact that it's a 'burn-out sheer'. You'd definitely have to line it with something and then you'd always be fighting against the sheerness. I'd say that for the price (and esp. with the doubtful authenticity of the design anyway) you'd be better off putting your money into something with less silk and more substance. As far as I know, there are no clothing styles before the 20th century which would work with a part velvet/part sheer fabric. Just my groats worth, Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 11:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17413 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Gd1NP002176; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Gd0U0017592; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5GcOU0017163 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.17e.11599713 (4426) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:45 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.11599713.2af94dd9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17e.11599713.2af94dd9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:45 EST Status: RO --part1_17e.11599713.2af94dd9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 11:25:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: > As far as I know, there are no clothing styles before the > 20th century which would work with a part velvet/part sheer fabric. > Yes, even though the design seems Renn. inspired. And it is beautiful. I'd make a 30's evening gown out if it....with a shiny satin slip. Ooooo.... --part1_17e.11599713.2af94dd9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 11:25:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes:


As far as I know, there are no clothing styles before the
20th century which would work with a part velvet/part sheer fabric.


Yes, even though the design seems Renn. inspired. And it is beautiful.

I'd make a 30's evening gown out if it....with a shiny satin slip. Ooooo.... --part1_17e.11599713.2af94dd9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 12:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17896 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Hp3NP009925; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Hp1U0028706; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5HomU0028559 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:50:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VClL4yjebhGqyC7fyH7JkV/AvWajj/BZB2w=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGVB8N9H; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:49:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Renaissance Florence exhibit in Chicago Message-ID: <20021105.114825.-334313.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-7,9-37 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:48:24 -0600 Status: RO Hey! If folks are coming to Chicago for the exhibit, let me know! I'd love to meet more folks from h-cost! Although I believe we've already met, haven't we Connie? Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:25 -0500 "Fairchild, Connie E." writes: > To bring you an update, the local (Davenport, IA) paper had another > little > write up about the exhibit on Sunday. Just wanted you to know that > our > friend, Eleanora of Toledo and her son , Giovanni (by Bronzino) will > be > there. The article was accompanied by a nearly 3x5" very good, color > photo. > I am so excited about getting an opportunity to see this painting! > The last > time I was at the Art Institute (early 90's), they didn't allow > cameras; > this time I will take a small one and ask again. I've a little > talent in art > and sewing, but I can't draw doodles compared to this. It's humbling > just to > see this work in a photo, it may be overload to see this and other > exquisite > pieces "in person". Good thing my daughter is going with me, she > can drag > me out of the way so others can see the items. > > Connie E. Fairchild > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 12:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17930 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Hx3NP010659; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Hx1U0003346; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5HwuU0003276 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:58:57 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Source for Italian silks - 13th, 14th and 15th centuries Thread-Index: AcKE9GGZRJFyPQDnSR28aMHWEYqrog== From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA5HwuU0003276 Subject: [h-cost] Source for Italian silks - 13th, 14th and 15th centuries Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:54:25 -0800 Status: RO Hi all, I just found a new source (okay - it may be old to some of you) on Italian silks in the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries. Italienische Seidengewebe des 13, 14 und 15 Jahrhunderts by Brigitte Tietzel copyright 1984, Koln, Deutsches Textilmuseum Kataloge des Deutchses Textilmuseum, Krefeld Band 1. First off, it is in German - but don't let that stop you. It has pictures of 161 extant examples of Italian silks dating from the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries, as well as construction details such as the warp and weft counts and colors, commentary and measurements. Only a few of the pictures are in color, but the black and whites aren't bad. The copy that I borrowed via ILL was from the Smithsonian Libraries, so it was for in library use only. I don't need this one for the current project (1350-1365 Florentine lady's outfit), but boy, I can tell it will come in handy for the future. Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 14:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18381 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5JTHNP019277; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5JTDU0023634; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5JSvU0023417 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:28:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.30.30239808 (18251) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <30.30239808.2af975ee@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nov. Online Costume Classes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.30239808.2af975ee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:28:46 EST Status: RO --part1_30.30239808.2af975ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/02 9:55:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > We have three classes starting at the Costume Classroom > www.costumeclassroom.com this week: > > ***Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Elizabethan Gown (this is made > with Margo's pattern) > ***A Victorian Lady: Make Your Own Bustle Era Skirt > ***Costume Analysis of Four Films Set in 1912-1914 > > We still have open slots for students in each class. > > Penny, I realize this is kind of a stupid question, but do you list the classes on the website, or anyplace for that matter, a couple weeks before they start? I am always interested in taking classes, but find that they have generally already started. Kit --part1_30.30239808.2af975ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/02 9:55:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes:


We have three classes starting at the Costume Classroom
www.costumeclassroom.com  this week:

***Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Elizabethan Gown (this is made
with Margo's pattern)
***A Victorian Lady: Make Your Own Bustle Era Skirt
***Costume Analysis of Four Films Set in 1912-1914

We still have open slots for students in each class.

Penny,

I realize this is kind of a stupid question, but do you list the classes on the website, or anyplace for that matter, a couple weeks before they start?  I am always interested in taking classes, but find that they have generally already started.

Kit --part1_30.30239808.2af975ee_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 14:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18525 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:51:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Jp3NP021430; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Jp0U0005858; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5JoiU0005683 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:50:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:38 -0500 Received: by NOAADC-MXI02.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Late Renaissance Florence exhibit in Chicago Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:30 -0500 Status: RO Are you in the Illinois Civil War Group? Only by email then. Are you going on 11/20? Connie E. Fairchild ----- Message: 4 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:48:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Renaissance Florence exhibit in Chicago From: seamstrix@juno.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Hey! If folks are coming to Chicago for the exhibit, let me know! I'd love to meet more folks from h-cost! Although I believe we've already met, haven't we Connie? Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:25 -0500 "Fairchild, Connie E." writes: > To bring you an update, the local (Davenport, IA) paper had another > little > write up about the exhibit on Sunday. Just wanted you to know that > our > friend, Eleanora of Toledo and her son , Giovanni (by Bronzino) will _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 14:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18542 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:55:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Jt3NP021865; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Jt2U0008035; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5JsKU0007607 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.ba.2f242de0 (18251) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.2f242de0.2af97bd2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:53:54 EST Status: RO --part1_ba.2f242de0.2af97bd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 5:02:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevie.gamble@btinternet.com writes: > Hi all, > > Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-) > > > http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm > I immediately though about whether I could remove the sheer from the pattern. (Think peirce-work or filigree for metal) It would make great applique. Of course, the pattern doesn't seem to be correct, but I just thought I would tell you want I thought of. Kit --part1_ba.2f242de0.2af97bd2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 5:02:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevie.gamble@btinternet.com writes:


Hi all,

Well, one of you may have the pocket to pay $105 per yard:-)


http://www.stardustfabrics.com/html/112.htm


I immediately though about whether I could remove the sheer from the pattern.  (Think peirce-work or filigree for metal) It would make great applique.  Of course, the pattern doesn't seem to be correct, but I just thought I would tell you want I thought of.

Kit --part1_ba.2f242de0.2af97bd2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 15:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18783 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ka9NP025962; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Ka5U0000613; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5KZkU0000420 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:35:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gA5Kbg018676.; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:37:42 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:35:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early Efforts, was: prizewinning victorian Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA5KZkU0000420 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:34:39 +0000 Status: RO Margo wrote: >1977: "Elizabethan Court Dress", pale yellow lightweight satin, with black >velvet accents and gold sequin embellished braid. Heavily darted bodice >worn over 50's Merry Widow, becasue I'd read that they wore corsets. >18th century style ladder of bows up the front of the bodice, further >embellished with swags of gold chain and filligree bits. Huge mahoitered >sleeves, with the upper puffs smocked with gold beads, and the lower >portions fastened with zippers. Back of the bodice fastened with hooks >and eyes, and had ribbons tacked on in a crisscross pattern to make it >look like it laced! Forepart of black velvet latticed with cotton lace that I >spray painted gold, and rossettes of those plastic faceted beads that >crafter grandmas use. >At first I wore this with no petticoats at all, for fear of looking fat. >Later I figured out I should have a hoop, and made one out of wire that >buckled and flooped into weird parabola shapes when I wore it. >"Standing" ruff of black lace, that wouldn't stand, so it flopped down my >back. Small gold framed mirror and gold filligree purse, hung from the waist >on chains. Black ballet slippers and sheer black pantyhose. 50's black >velvet hat with ostrich plume attched with big gaudy pin. >I got better. What a wonderful image, Margo! My two penn'orth; (male) "Cavalier" outfit, circa 1970 - Nylon lace-trimmed blouse with the lace transferred from the front to the edges of a wide collar and to my boot-tops. Polyester jacket trimmed with black-and-gold braid. Modern stretch trousers and fashion boots, which already had imitation spur-leathers, topped with the aforementioned lace. Polyester sash, and a beige felt hat of an approximately suitable shape. Those Victorian illustrators of "Cavaliers and Roundheads" had a lot to answer for. It took a while for people to realise that Royalist private soldiers would not have worn lace, braid or sashes. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 15:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18826 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:45:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Kj7NP026813; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Kj5U0005476; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5KiaU0005153 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bee1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.225]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BCA015EEF94 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:44:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c2850c$41dd0220$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <127.198b1c4d.2af1c25d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th. century dress supports. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28514.A35E94C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:45:20 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28514.A35E94C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Albertcat. I quite forgot to reply you for the wonderfull pictures you sended me = with the collapsible hip paniers. They were beautifully made, i enjoyed them very much. May i ask you if you used doubble casings with hoop wire? Or is it only the striped fabric that tricked my eyes? I think it would be a very good idea to make doubble layers of crinoline = steels in the hoops, i dont mean 2 steels in each slit, but paralel = slits. The dress you draped over was very beautifull two. thanks for sending me the pictures. Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th. century dress supports. In a message dated 10/30/2002 12:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, = drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:=20 In Dangerous Liasions, Glen Close is wearing such a collapsible = panier=20 frame, so i think it is autentic to use it.=20 Having worked with James Acheson, the designer of "DL", on "Last of = the Mohicans", the cage version of panniers is probably supported by = research. He made us show him some kind of research for any garments we = made on "Mohicans".=20 Later, I made up a pair in a cage version but just used the dimensions = found in the pair in Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines. They work better if = you use narrow tapes. I used 3 double rows of commercial hoop wire = encased in striped linen and 1/2" twill tape [but I'd use narrower if I = were you]. I cut the hoop casings long...leaving unhooped sections a = both ends with the wires centered in each. Then, while flat, I pinned = the tapes to them, one in the middle [use this as your fixed starting = point with the hoops at a right angle to the tape], one at each end of = the hoops [they get shorter as you go up y'know], and one in-between = these, at what looked like the correct angles. Then I put a 3/4" = grosgrain tape on the dummy's waist and pinned the tapes in place. Then = bring the ends of the casings around so the hoops bow out and pin in = place. You can then adjust the lengths and angles of the tapes, even = them up [so they're the same on both sides], take the grosgrain off the = waist ! and sew it all up. TAH DAH!=20 Mine close with a buckle CF and I made a small sausage pad that I = tacked to the back between the 2 side hoops.=20 Have fun!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28514.A35E94C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Albertcat.
I quite forgot to reply you for the = wonderfull=20 pictures you sended me with the collapsible hip paniers.
They were beautifully made, i enjoyed = them very=20 much.
May i ask you if you used doubble = casings with hoop=20 wire?
Or is it only the striped fabric that = tricked my=20 eyes?
I think it would be a very good idea to = make=20 doubble layers of crinoline steels in the hoops, i dont mean 2 steels in = each=20 slit, but paralel slits.
The dress you draped over was very = beautifull=20 two.
thanks for sending me the = pictures.
 
Bjarne
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AlbertCat@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, = 2002 12:16=20 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th. = century dress=20 supports.

In a = message dated=20 10/30/2002 12:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk = writes:=20


In Dangerous Liasions, Glen Close is wearing such a = collapsible=20 panier
frame, so i think it is autentic to use it. =


Having worked with James = Acheson, the=20 designer of "DL", on "Last of the Mohicans", the cage version of = panniers is=20 probably supported by research. He made us show him some kind of = research for=20 any garments we made on "Mohicans".

Later, I made up a pair in = a cage=20 version but just used the dimensions found in the pair in Waugh's = Corsets and=20 Crinolines. They work better if you use narrow tapes. I used 3 double = rows of=20 commercial hoop wire encased in striped linen and 1/2" twill tape [but = I'd use=20 narrower if I were you]. I cut the hoop casings long...leaving = unhooped=20 sections a both ends with the wires centered in each. Then, while = flat, I=20 pinned the tapes to them, one in the middle [use this as your fixed = starting=20 point with the hoops at a right angle to the tape], one at each end of = the=20 hoops [they get shorter as you go up y'know], and one in-between = these, at=20 what looked like the correct angles. Then I put a 3/4" grosgrain tape = on the=20 dummy's waist and pinned the tapes in place. Then bring the ends of = the=20 casings around so the hoops bow out and pin in place. You can then = adjust the=20 lengths and angles of the tapes, even them up [so they're the same on = both=20 sides], take the grosgrain off the waist ! and sew it all up. TAH DAH! =

Mine close with a buckle CF and I made a small sausage pad = that I=20 tacked to the back between the 2 side hoops.

Have fun!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28514.A35E94C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 16:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19182 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:42:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Lg2NP002655; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Lg0FU007049; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5LfZFU006711 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:41:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from AngelaFLazear (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA5LfXQ2211736 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:41:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01f701c28514$1ae30180$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20021104211726.04f19990@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:41:30 -0800 Status: RO Maybe the original design called for actual gourds? They would have gone with the black & yellow color scheme. Kinda squishy when ya sit down, but.... Not my cup o' tea, that dress. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "O, what a world of vile ill-favored faults looks handsome in three hundred pounds a year!..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:prizewinner for "Historical accuracy and originality > > >Come to think of it, a few well-placed squashes would stop the skirts > >blowing up in a strong wind... > > Thrown? Oops - I'm being mean. > > > > What got me the most were the "gourds" in the skirt. Call me nutty, but > >if > > > one is going to bandy about dressmaking terms, one should endeavor to > >spell > > > them in the vicinity of correctly. > > > > > > Elizabeth > > > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 17:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19329 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:02:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Lv4NP004048; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Lv1FU014912; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5LucFU014648 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VClL4yjebhGqyzyWhyQkSsp8lEX+WHi196w=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HGVSBPD9; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:56:17 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late Renaissance Florence exhibit in Chicago Message-ID: <20021105.155512.-899209.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-12 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:55:11 -0600 Status: RO Ah, we are e-pals only then. I will be in full Elizabethan garb dancing there on the 19th. Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:30 -0500 "Fairchild, Connie E." writes: > Are you in the Illinois Civil War Group? Only by email then. Are > you going > on 11/20? > > Connie E. Fairchild ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 17:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19350 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5M72NP005010; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5M70FU020249; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5M6WFU019936 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:06:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.3d.27231386 (4340) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.27231386.2af99ad4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th. century dress supports. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d.27231386.2af99ad4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:06:12 EST Status: RO --part1_3d.27231386.2af99ad4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 3:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > May i ask you if you used doubble casings with hoop wire? > Yes [how does one say "yes" in....what's your 1st language, Danish?] I'm not sure exactly why. I can't remember. It may be just to show off the striped fabric more. I did not make the dress [which is beautiful]. It was made by a friend of mine who is now deceased, Michael Nations. It was a little project he did for his own education. He followed a Janet Arnold pattern as closely as possible and all top stitching and hemming is done by hand. The gown is cut from scraps left over from a mockup made for Madeline Stowe's fancy yellow silk dress she's 1st seen in in "Last of the Mohicans". Annie Hadley, the shop super, liked to have mock ups made in a fabric instead of muslin. That meant that an extra could wear the mock up in the film. Michael carefully and cleverly cut his dress from the scraps. As a result there is no hem or seam allowances to let out [everything is faced with linen], the skirts are set onto the bodice in a wider gap than in the pattern and the skirt is skimpy....only a little over a yard and a half. We dressed a dark black girl in it [sans panniers] with the same petticoat, a chemise and a turbin-like head rag for her role as a colonial slave is some play the local theatre was doing. She looked GREAT! Her dark skin next to the pale fabrics and the elegant but skimpy cut all came together to work really well. A great character costume. I suppose the list doesn't know what we're talking about. I've deleted the ZIP file [by accident] I sent you. You can send it out to anyone you want. I've still got all the photo's I took and could zip up the best ones again I guess. Too bad I can't just send an attachment to the list. --part1_3d.27231386.2af99ad4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 3:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


May i ask you if you used doubble casings with hoop wire?


Yes [how does one say "yes" in....what's your 1st language, Danish?]

I'm not sure exactly why. I can't remember. It may be just to show off the striped fabric more.

I did not make the dress [which is beautiful]. It was made by a friend of mine who is now deceased, Michael Nations. It was a little project he did for his own education. He followed a Janet Arnold pattern as closely as possible and all top stitching and hemming is done by hand. The gown is cut from scraps left over from a mockup made for Madeline Stowe's fancy yellow silk dress she's 1st seen in in "Last of the Mohicans". Annie Hadley, the shop super, liked to have mock ups made in a fabric instead of muslin. That meant that an extra could wear the mock up in the film. Michael carefully and cleverly cut his dress from the scraps. As a result there is no hem or seam allowances to let out [everything is faced with linen], the skirts are set onto the bodice in a wider gap than in the pattern and the skirt is skimpy....only a little over a yard and a half.
We dressed a dark black girl in it [sans panniers] with the same petticoat, a chemise and a turbin-like head rag for her role as a colonial slave is some play the local theatre was doing. She looked GREAT! Her dark skin next to the pale fabrics and the elegant but skimpy cut all came together to work really well. A great character costume.

I suppose the list doesn't know what we're talking about. I've deleted the ZIP file [by accident] I sent you. You can send it out to anyone you want. I've still got all the photo's I took and could zip up the best ones again I guess. Too bad I can't just send an attachment to the list. --part1_3d.27231386.2af99ad4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 17:58:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19747 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Mw4NP009829; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Mw0FU018799; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5MuwFU018182 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.110] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id ABF917820332; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c2851e$faef6020$6e5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105084505.00b0a970@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:59:21 -0500 Status: RO The illustrations on the envelopes may be from La Mode, but the pattern shapes have been greatly modified to reflect modern shape and construction. The first one omits the fitted inner construction that is needed for the pouf drape that is usually found in the mode of that time. Also, in a previous comment , I stated that this blouse opened on the right; I meant the LEFT. I am direction challenged. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern help > At 09:45 PM 11/4/2002 -0700, Karen responded to Barbara's request for help: > > > > > >>http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.3417=x&TI=1 0013&pageNum=1&M=&UK=20315132 > > > >Those two patterns are actually very good for late 1890's, say about 1897/98. > >They are designs from "La Mode Illustree' from 1897. Whoever designed > >them lifted them almost perfectly from the illustrations. > > I purchased the blouse pattern a couple of months ago because I liked the > look, not too worried about how accurate it would be for what time (I was > considering adapting it for mundane use ). I have it currently cut out > of a lightweight black wool (sold to me as a challis, but really more of a > crepe) but have not yet sewn it up. > > One thing I noted about the pattern is that the puff on the upper sleeve is > done by an undersleeve lining (I think Butterick calls it a "stay")... > which means that if your fabric isn't crisp, the puff will droop -- and it > will be a problem to iron. > > At the "Extreme Beauty" exhibit (and in the catalog), I saw a number of > boned "sleeve stays" that tied to the corset cover/chemisette/camisole > (depending on the era?), and I'm looking towards the idea of using sleeve > stays instead of the indicated, umm, lining. While I'm not concerned about > authenticity for a blouse I intend to wear primarily mundanely, I'm > wondering what would have been the accurate period construction? > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 18:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19810 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:11:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5N42NP010377; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5N41FU022045; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5N3CFU021571 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gA5N3C6161879 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:03:12 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet In-Reply-To: <20021105.102310.-334313.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:03:11 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > One important thing to notice about this fabric is the fact that it's a > 'burn-out sheer'. And as such, it is *NOT* 100% silk. disclaimer: I could be wrong, the words "burn-out" do not appear on the page, and it could be a woven voided velvet. However, it looks and sounds like a burn-out velvet, in which case it *must* be a blend, silk and rayon being most common. The chemicals used for burn-out can't distinguish between pile and ground unless they are different fibers. On the other hand, this is a truely lovely fabric, and could well be worth the $105 they're asking per yard. It's just (probably) not 100% silk. Emma I've done burn-out. It's smelly, but fun. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 18:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19838 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5NI3NP011489; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5NI1FU029218; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5NHUFU028935 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:17:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021105231724.11624.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:17:24 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:17:24 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > One important thing to notice about this fabric is > the fact that it's a > > 'burn-out sheer'. > > And as such, it is *NOT* 100% silk. disclaimer: I > could be wrong, the > words "burn-out" do not appear on the page, and it > could be a woven > voided velvet. It definitely says "sheer background", so you are right. It's not a woven voided velvet, it's not cut velvet either - it's a figured velvet with voided areas - either a chiffon velvet or a devore velvet, judging from the description in "Velvet: History techniques fashions". Devore velvet sounds like what we modernly call "burn-out". > However, it looks and sounds like a > burn-out velvet, in > which case it *must* be a blend, silk and rayon > being most common. The > chemicals used for burn-out can't distinguish > between pile and ground > unless they are different fibers. So it would be made with a ground fibre of silk and synthetic pile? Bella http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 18:40:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19996 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:40:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Nd2NP013438; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Nd0FU010225; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5NcNFU009873 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-11-208.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.11.208] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 189DH3-0006Cm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:38:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c28524$ee61d120$d00b23d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Status: RO Emma wrote: > And as such, it is *NOT* 100% silk. disclaimer: I could be wrong, the > words "burn-out" do not appear on the page, and it could be a woven > voided velvet. However, it looks and sounds like a burn-out velvet, in > which case it *must* be a blend, silk and rayon being most common. The > chemicals used for burn-out can't distinguish between pile and ground > unless they are different fibers. Actually, I think it looks like a 100% silk velvet; not a burnout. Thanks to the kind h-coster who pointed me to Paron Fabrics in New York this summer I got my hands on some, at considerably less than $105 per yard, and whilst contemporary 100% silk voided velvets don't look like Renaissance velvets they don't look like burn out either. Which is why I drew the attention of h-costers to this fabric. Now my silk velvet is black ground with leaves of a vast number of shades scattered across it; the colours sing. I doubt that I will ever bring myself to take a pair of scissors to it, though suggestions of an appropriate pattern and period would be most welcome. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 18:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20005 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Nh1NP013848; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Nh0FU012191; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA5NgWFU011909 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6877 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 23:42:30 -0000 Received: from dap-208-1-140-92.erie-tnt-1.pa.erie.net (HELO default) (208.1.140.92) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 23:42:30 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c28524$d5b94180$5c8c01d0@default> From: "Janet Davis" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Italian silks - 13th, 14th and 15th centuries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Janet Davis" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:41:14 -0500 Status: RO > Italienische Seidengewebe des 13, 14 und 15 Jahrhunderts > by Brigitte Tietzel Could you post the ISBN? That would be the easiest way to track it down, especially since the title is in a foreign language (I have enough trouble spelling English). Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20399 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:42:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60d4NP018254; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60d0FU004725; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60c9FU004438 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:38:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gA60c9k181835 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet In-Reply-To: <20021105231724.11624.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > It definitely says "sheer background", so you are > right. It's not a woven voided velvet, it's not cut > velvet either - it's a figured velvet with voided > areas - either a chiffon velvet or a devore velvet, > judging from the description in "Velvet: History > techniques fashions". Devore velvet sounds like what > we modernly call "burn-out". Yes, devore and burn-out are the same thing. I just couldn't remember how to spell devore. I think it's *possible* to weave a velvet with a chiffon ground....(stumbles to a halt) No, never mind, I don't think it is. > So it would be made with a ground fibre of silk and > synthetic pile? Yes, if we're calling Rayon synthetic. In this case, the ground is a protein fiber and the pile is a cellulosic fiber. Protein fibers are dissolved by strong bases, and cellulosics by strong acids. You could do devore with a rayon ground and a silk pile, using a strong base as your burn-out chemical, but that would be silly: rayon is a relatively weak fiber and your fabric would be likely to fall apart. You could also do burn-out with a nonreactive synthetic as the ground, or a dissolvable synthetic (like acetate) for the pile. I've found a rayon/acetate changable taffeta that I'm curious to try. Some areas would have the red warp only, some the green weft only. Some areas would have no fabric left at all. It could be fun. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20408 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:44:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60j5NP018713; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60j3FU006945; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60inFU006850 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:44:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gA60in6186177 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:49 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet In-Reply-To: <000601c28524$ee61d120$d00b23d9@dan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:49 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > Actually, I think it looks like a 100% silk velvet; not a burnout. > Thanks to the kind h-coster who pointed me to Paron Fabrics in New > York this summer I got my hands on some, at considerably less than > $105 per yard, and whilst contemporary 100% silk voided velvets don't > look like Renaissance velvets they don't look like burn out either. > Which is why I drew the attention of h-costers to this fabric. > Now my silk velvet is black ground with leaves of a vast number of > shades scattered across it; the colours sing. I doubt that I will ever > bring myself to take a pair of scissors to it, though suggestions of > an appropriate pattern and period would be most welcome. I wish I could see your velvet! My understanding of velvet weaves makes a sheer ground unlikely, but this would not be the first time I was wrong! Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:49:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20455 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:49:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60o2NP019010; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60o1FU008578; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60nYFU008459 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA60Y7119937 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:34:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC8672C.D10734EA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet References: <17e.11599713.2af94dd9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:49:48 -0700 Status: RO *blink, blink* For _you_ to wear, Albert, or just to make? I think it'd make a great "slinky" dress--that way, you could work _with_ the drape, and not against it.... --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20480 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:55:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60s1NP019223; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60s0FU009808; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60rNFU009610 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA60bt121277 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:37:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC86812.828168F8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early Efforts, was: prizewinning victorian References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:53:38 -0700 Status: RO Really? Was the fancy stuff more of an officer thang? --Sue, pretty ignorant of English Civil War Stuff.... Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Those Victorian illustrators of "Cavaliers and Roundheads" had a lot to answer for. It took a while for people to realise that Royalist private soldiers would not have worn lace, braid or sashes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20490 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:58:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60x2NP019598; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60x0FU011469; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60wbFU011336 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.184.115da226 (30970) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:58:24 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <184.115da226.2af9c32f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_184.115da226.2af9c32f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:58:23 EST Status: RO --part1_184.115da226.2af9c32f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 7:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > *blink, blink* > For _you_ to wear, Albert, or just to make? I think it'd make a great > "slinky" dress--that way, you could work _with_ the drape, and not > against it.... > With a bias swag over my beer gut..... --part1_184.115da226.2af9c32f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 7:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


*blink, blink*
For _you_ to wear, Albert, or just to make? I think it'd make a great
"slinky" dress--that way, you could work _with_ the drape, and not
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With a bias swag over my beer gut..... --part1_184.115da226.2af9c32f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 19:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20495 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6101NP019704; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6101FU011827; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60xbFU011673 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:59:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA60i8123508 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:44:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DC86986.B4082E1A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:59:50 -0700 Status: RO The actual, pre-1600s cut-and-voided velvet I saw last year (up close and personal--it was unbelievably hard *not to touch!!*) had a couple of different "backgrounds," neither of which was sheer. ISTR, one had a definite "satin" background, and the other, a plainer weave (maybe tabby--I'd have to hunt down my notes). They were beautiful, and nothing much like the piece we're discussing in this thread (which is lovely on its own, but pretty modern to my eyes--even if Ren.-inspired). --sue Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > > Actually, I think it looks like a 100% silk velvet; not a burnout. > > Thanks to the kind h-coster who pointed me to Paron Fabrics in New > > York this summer I got my hands on some, at considerably less than > > $105 per yard, and whilst contemporary 100% silk voided velvets don't > > look like Renaissance velvets they don't look like burn out either. > > Which is why I drew the attention of h-costers to this fabric. > > Now my silk velvet is black ground with leaves of a vast number of > > shades scattered across it; the colours sing. I doubt that I will ever > > bring myself to take a pair of scissors to it, though suggestions of > > an appropriate pattern and period would be most welcome. > > I wish I could see your velvet! My understanding of velvet weaves makes a > sheer ground unlikely, but this would not be the first time I was wrong! > > Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 20:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20611 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA61H3NP020643; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA61H1FU016884; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA61GkFU016799 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:16:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip106.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.106]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gA61GeY01829 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 100% Silk Cut Velvet Message-ID: <3DC7FC13.17748.246CD433@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <17e.11599713.2af94dd9@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:12:51 -0800 Status: RO From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Yes, even though the design seems Renn. inspired. And it is beautiful. > > > I'd make a 30's evening gown out if it....with a shiny satin slip. > Ooooo.... IMHO this is *exactly* what this fabric was designed for. ;) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 20:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20723 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA61a2NP021691; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA61a0FU022645; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA61Z6FU022344 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:35:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021106013458.48099.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:34:58 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Chiffon Velvet (was 100% Silk Cut Velvet) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:58 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: I think it's *possible* to weave a > velvet with a chiffon > ground....(stumbles to a halt) No, never mind, I > don't think it is. This is what I have on chiffon velvet.... "Chiffon velvet, The weaving of velvet on a crepe de chine ground dates from the turn of the nineteenth century, but it was not widely used, until a system was invented at the end of that century for using raw yarn in the weaving, leading to the creation of a geat many new types of crepe fabrics. Crepes and velvets on a crepes ground could be solid or figured, and in some cases printed with patterns. Incredibly light and soft, these were woven from the Twenties on with artificial fibres as well." I was a little confused by the interchanging of crepe and chiffon, until I found this: "Hard twist silk yarns can be used to make ‘crêpe chiffon’, with a characteristic crinkled surface appearance. The term chiffon is also used as a prefix to other fabric names to indicate very lightweight versions of these fabrics, e.g. chiffon velvet, chif-fon taffeta, etc." The Resil Textile dictionary (where the above info on crepe chiffon comes from) defines chiffon velvet as "Very light, soft velvet fabric with little substance to it. It is floaty and effective but very difficult to sew. It has a short cut pile." Bella http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 5 21:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20970 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA62R8NP024559; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA62R1FU008037; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA62QBFU007792 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ADC2DD001FA; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:26:10 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ADC2191D0144; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:26:10 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c2853b$d8ca5aa0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <30.30239808.2af975ee@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nov. Online Costume Classes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C28511.EFB12F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:26:00 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C28511.EFB12F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kit, The classes on listed on the schedule months in advance. I also send reminders to people on my website newsletter email list. You can join the newsletter at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumegallery/ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nov. Online Costume Classes In a message dated 11/3/02 9:55:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: We have three classes starting at the Costume Classroom www.costumeclassroom.com this week: ***Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Elizabethan Gown (this is made with Margo's pattern) ***A Victorian Lady: Make Your Own Bustle Era Skirt ***Costume Analysis of Four Films Set in 1912-1914 We still have open slots for students in each class. Penny, I realize this is kind of a stupid question, but do you list the classes on the website, or anyplace for that matter, a couple weeks before they start? I am always interested in taking classes, but find that they have generally already started. Kit ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C28511.EFB12F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I realize this is kind of a = stupid=20 question, but do you list the classes on the website, or anyplace for = that=20 matter, a couple weeks before they start?  I am always interested = in=20 taking classes, but find that they have generally already=20 started.

Kit ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C28511.EFB12F20-- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 04:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04942 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:24:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA69J9NP017405; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA69J1FU025274; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA69IvFU025261 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:18:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gA69LK003537.; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:21:21 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:18:56 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early Efforts, was: prizewinning victorian Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA69IvFU025261 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:18:47 +0000 Status: RO a) It's a myth that you could instantly tell which side a person was on by their clothing. A few wealthier Puritans dressed plainly on principle, but most people of both persuasions dressed as elegantly as they could afford to do. The traditional image of the Parliamentarian trooper in buffcoat, breastplate and lobster-tail helmet is approximately what the cavalry of *both* sides wore in battle; the broad-brimmed hats would be worn off duty. b) Lace (being hand-made) and sashes (being silk) were too expensive for the common soldier. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> mooncat@in-tch.com 11/06/02 12:53am >>> Really? Was the fancy stuff more of an officer thang? --Sue, pretty ignorant of English Civil War Stuff.... Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Those Victorian illustrators of "Cavaliers and Roundheads" had a lot to answer for. It took a while for people to realise that Royalist private soldiers would not have worn lace, braid or sashes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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What would they have used >> >for sleeve supports I wonder? To save a bit on ironing a cotton or linen 1890's puffed sleeve blouse I try and hang it dry with a balloon in the sleeve, flattening the gathers over it. It works pretty well. I sometimes have a hard time blowing the balloon up big enough for my really large sleeved blouse. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 09:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13173 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:06:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6E62NP028657; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6E61FU026857; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6E5ZFU026707 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:05:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-14-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.14.14] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 189QoH-00038h-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c2859e$142521e0$0e0e24d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021106013458.48099.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chiffon Velvet (was 100% Silk Cut Velvet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:09:10 -0000 Status: RO Bella wrote: >The Resil Textile dictionary (where the above info on >crepe chiffon comes from) defines chiffon velvet as >"Very light, soft velvet fabric with little substance >to it. It is floaty and effective but very difficult >to sew. It has a short cut pile." Yes, indeed; it is so fine that the velvet is almost sheer. Paron fabrics had some of that also, and very lovely it was too, but by that point I'd exhausted all available funds. If I'd bought that, I would have had to swim home:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 10:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13893 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6FF3NP003239; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6FF1Bh018724; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail1.mackie.com [12.144.237.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6FEaBh018549 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:14:36 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Source for Italian silks - 13th, 14th and 15th centuries Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Source for Italian silks - 13th, 14th and 15th centuries Thread-Index: AcKFJTw+Cq1uoF5OQGCQfZ2HH6oG4AAgbdEg From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA6FEaBh018549 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:14:34 -0800 Status: RO > Italienische Seidengewebe des 13, 14 und 15 Jahrhunderts > by Brigitte Tietzel <> Sorry, Janet, there wasn't one in the book - I looked. I actually was able to find a copy on www.bookfinder.com for about $35 US, but that's gone now and on its way to my house. ;-) Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 12:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15254 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:50:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6HkBNP018091; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:46:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Hk05A007160; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6HjQ5A006789 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021106174520.KRZU6092.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:45:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c285bc$45ae9390$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1890's sleeves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:45:18 -0800 Status: RO I came across these 1830's sleeve pads on the Kyoto Costume Institute's webpage -- I think these would be similar to what might be worn in the 1890's. http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1820/09-009455_a - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 14:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16396 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:23:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6JK5NP028405; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6JK15A005082; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6JJ85A004583 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.162.168f24c7 (4246) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <162.168f24c7.2afac523@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 1890's sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_162.168f24c7.2afac523_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:18:59 EST Status: RO --part1_162.168f24c7.2afac523_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2002 12:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendrav@attbi.com writes: > I came across these 1830's sleeve pads on the Kyoto Costume Institute's > webpage -- I think these would be similar to what might be worn in the > 1890's. > Though let us not forget that 1890s gigot sleeve goes UP, they fly up from a natural shoulder. 1830s gigot sleeves pouf out low on the shoulder. The emphasis is horizontal. But, yes, the same general contraptions for keeping the sleeves of both periods either up or out are used. --part1_162.168f24c7.2afac523_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2002 12:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendrav@attbi.com writes:


I came across these 1830's sleeve pads on the Kyoto Costume Institute's
webpage -- I think these would be similar to what might be worn in the
1890's.


Though let us not forget that 1890s gigot sleeve goes UP, they fly up from a natural shoulder. 1830s gigot sleeves pouf out low on the shoulder. The emphasis is horizontal.

But, yes, the same general contraptions for keeping the sleeves of both periods either up or out are used. --part1_162.168f24c7.2afac523_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 15:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16718 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:15:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KC4NP003402; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:12:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KC1Lk003905; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KBmLk003769 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 189WWg-000ACq-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Hair control, was Re: forehead cloths References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:10:16 +0000 Status: RO I don't have a fringe, but I certainly recommend the use of some kind of scarf or undercap for any headcovering. It keeps your hair under control, and it also provides a solid base to keep the upper layers under control, since you can pin into it. Appropriate format depends on your period, and whether any of it will show. I have friends who use sprang hairnets or linen coifs - I prefer a scarf, since it's adjustable whether I have my hair down in braids or up in a bun. Jean Kate M Bunting wrote >The embroidered forehead cloths shown in >http://costume.dm.net/headwear/coifpics.html appear to be a single >triangular piece rather than a folded square; though the long edge >would still be on the bias. >Speaking as one with a strong, thick fringe (bangs) which it's >difficult to keep out of the way when in costume, Gail's suggestion >sounds worth trying. > > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby > >>>> gailscott@eos.net 11/03/02 02:56pm >>> > >But this is what I do. I have a square of white linen that I fold in half on >the cross, with two strips of flat lacing on the corners. I pull my hair >back (I have bangs, and they are so hard to control) and put this on like a >scarf, with the long fold on the bias covering the upper part of my >forehead. I take the laces OVER my head, about the top of my head, and tie >them back at my neck. Then I wear coifs or other headgear on top. > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan >service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working >around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com >________________________________________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 15:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16822 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:40:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KQ2NP004560; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KQ1Lk011465; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KPCLk011057 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:25:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 189Wjd-000B0f-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:25:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes References: <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:24:08 +0000 Status: RO On the basis of 5 minutes looking... We seem to have 3 headcovering items here. There is the wired coif (earpieces just showing), the tight forehead cloth, and the loose hood-type item which fastens (or not, in the case of VISIT_METSU) around the neck. I have a book of Allan Ramsay portraits which show a number of ladies, always at their best, in either a wired coif or the loose hood, but both showing hair under them. Both the old and the sick are expected to need to keep warm and keep their heads well-wrapped - perhaps that is the function of the tight forehead cloth, and it is combined as appropriate with the fashion headcovering? Just an instant thought Jean N Kipar wrote >Actually, I think there is a mix-up in understanding of forehead cloths. What >bridget Holmes is wearing >http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/r/riley/holmes.jpg >is not what reconvalescent/ill/lying-in women are wearing. I thought so too at >first but then I discovered that there are differences. >Look at the difference, here an old woman in 1660-65: >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-65_OLDWOMAN_DOU.JPG >she is wearing what Bridget Holmes is wearing, and here another in the 1660s: >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/NIDDY-NODDY_DOU.JPG >Here a sick woman in 1660-70: >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGST >RAATEN.JPG >and another >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG > >I do think that there is a difference, and it strikes me that the sick always >wear the very tight forehead cloth with something loose over it, as if it were >an addition, while the old women are wearing a cloth tied over their normal >'clip-on coif' (as i call the wired ones) to do exactly what Joy described, to >protect and be useful. >That's my tupennce and a half after studying the period 1660-1715 for years. > >Nicole > > --- Joy Shillaker wrote: > >> http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html >> >> look at the painting of Bridgette Holmes by John Riley. She was famous for >> being 90 years old. She appears to be wearing a forehead cloth.A nice >> example of someone wearing clothes from when they were younger. >> >> Jan Steen 'celebrating the birth' shows a woman who has just delivered >> wearing a forehead cloth and in the same painting there is a woman who >> appears to be pregnant wearing a forehead cloth under a linen chaperone(I >> think that's what it's called) >> >> I have a little web gallery of paintings showing forehead cloths, but I >> can't work out how to put it on line. I'll get my partner to do it. >> >> The three examples of forehead cloths I have examined dating from early to >> late 17th century are made from squares of linen folded in half to make a >> triangle with tape sewn at either end of the front. Two were plain and one >> had tiny embroidered picots work along the forehead edge. >> On the embroidered cloth the weft count was approx 120 to the inch (between >> 115- 122 because of the slubs in the threads)I could only see the sewing >> stitches with my linen checker, there were over 30 to the inch and the >> sewing thread appeared to be roughly half as thick as the fabric threads. I >> asked someone with 20/20 vision to see if they could see the stitches with >> the naked eye. They couldn't, this kind of work may have been sewn by feel. >> >> In 'The Baby in the Bush' Anne Buck, a foundling baby, late 17th is >> described as having a cross cloth pinned over the face. >> >> I wear my forehead cloth with the long striaght edge just below my hair >> line, tied at the back of the neck the cloth covering my ears this keeps my >> ears warm and cosy. My coif then goes over the top. The added bonus is that >> I don't get coif slippage. When cooking over an open fire the cloth prevents >> sweat running into my eyes. The folded edge fits neatly on the forehead >> because it's on the bias. >> >> Few forehead cloths are seen in pictures, so far I've noticed babies wearing >> them,(to protect the fontanelle I've heard) pregnant and nursing mothers, a >> servant and women who are in bed ill. My feeling is that they are very much >> a utility item, and possibly only worn at home perhaps some kind of early >> modern sweatband? >> >> I've been working on a set of C17th baby cloths for a few months now and >> hope to get the pictures comleted soon. The clothes are copies of items from >> Bath Museum of Costume. >> >> regards >> Joy >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! >> http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: nicole@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 20:43:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18289 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:43:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA71f9NP001757; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:41:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA71f0Ck019281; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA71euCk019244 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.12e.1aa20b1d (3972) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:40:40 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Subject: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:40:39 EST Status: RO --part1_12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question for those people in the U.S. particularly (or anyone else) who have been doing Ren Faires for awhile. What happens to all the old garb that people get tired of? Does period clothing circulate and/or get resold? Has anyone ever gone to a Ren Faire as a Fripper, a dealer in second hand goods as their gig? Is there any sort of on-line list dealing in the exchange of old renaissance costumes? Apart from E-bay I mean. Do you think there would be any interest in such a list? Just curious, Lisa --part1_12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question for those people in the U.S. particularly (or anyone else) who have been doing Ren Faires for awhile.  What happens to all the old garb that people get tired of?  Does period clothing circulate and/or get resold?  Has anyone ever gone to a Ren Faire as a Fripper, a dealer in second hand goods as their gig?  Is there any sort of on-line list dealing in the exchange of old renaissance costumes?  Apart from E-bay I mean.  Do you think there would be any interest in such a list? 

Just curious,

Lisa --part1_12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 21:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18387 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7272NP003202; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7271Ck027574; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7267Ck027284 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:06:02 -0800 Received: from 65.70.196.209 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:06:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.196.209] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 02:06:02.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[392C8230:01C28602] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:06:02 +0000 Status: RO I'm primarily in the SCA, altough I do attend the Texas-based RenFaires. Most of the time what I see is old stuff either gets given to someone else (either due to a closet cleaning or because it doesn't fit satisfactorily anymore) or it simply gets trashed. (Oh my! And what time period is that supposed to be? Nothing documentable, and I wouldn't inflict it on anyone!) For second-hand stuff, the closest thing we have here would be the LOCAL SCA's Hospitaler's Guild (read: newcomer's guild) that has some simple pieces available for loan. I'd be interested in talking to anyone who involves second-hand clothing in their "personas", as their was a thriving trade in it in Renaissance Italy. Mary/Katerine > >I have a question for those people in the U.S. particularly (or anyone >else) >who have been doing Ren Faires for awhile. What happens to all the old >garb >that people get tired of? Does period clothing circulate and/or get >resold? >Has anyone ever gone to a Ren Faire as a Fripper, a dealer in second hand >goods as their gig? Is there any sort of on-line list dealing in the >exchange of old renaissance costumes? Apart from E-bay I mean. Do you >think >there would be any interest in such a list? > >Just curious, > >Lisa _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 21:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18429 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72J2NP003840; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72J0Ck001618; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72IMCk001389 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.175.1155af38 (4539) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:18:14 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <175.1155af38.2afb2766@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.1155af38.2afb2766_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:18:14 EST Status: RO --part1_175.1155af38.2afb2766_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/02 6:08:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, noxcat@hotmail.com writes: > I'd be interested in talking to anyone who involves second-hand clothing in > their "personas", as their was a thriving trade in it in Renaissance Italy. > Yes, I find the subject most interesting too, although I am just starting to read about it. I ask because I a working on a web site that will be a virutal glimpse of the clothiers on Threadneedle St in Renaissance London. I will have a page devoted to a frippers shop and I was thinking of creating a list that I could link to the page for anyone who wanted to post info on outfits they wanted to get rid of. Old ones, not new creations, ff that would be a servce to the ren faire community. It would certainly bring my web site to life as I would like it to be as interactive as possible, so I am sounding out the possibilities. Any feedback would be appreciated. Lisa --part1_175.1155af38.2afb2766_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/02 6:08:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, noxcat@hotmail.com writes:


I'd be interested in talking to anyone who involves second-hand clothing in
their "personas", as their was a thriving trade in it in Renaissance Italy.


Yes, I find the subject most interesting too, although I am just starting to read about it.  I ask because I a working on a  web site that will be a virutal glimpse of  the clothiers on Threadneedle St in Renaissance London.  I will have a page devoted to a frippers shop and I was thinking of creating a list that I could link to the page for anyone who wanted to post info on outfits they wanted to get rid of. Old ones, not new creations, ff that would be a servce to the ren faire community.  It would certainly bring my web site to life as I would like it to be as interactive as possible, so I am sounding out the possibilities.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Lisa --part1_175.1155af38.2afb2766_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 21:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18498 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:32:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72M0NP003980; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72M0Ck002490; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72LuCk002451 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:21:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.116.1a120839 (4539) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <116.1a120839.2afb2832@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.1a120839.2afb2832_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:21:38 EST Status: RO --part1_116.1a120839.2afb2832_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/02 6:19:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, LSinervo@aol.com writes: > I was thinking of creating a list that I could link to the page for anyone > who wanted to post info on outfits they wanted to get rid of I meant, a link on my page that would link to the list. --part1_116.1a120839.2afb2832_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/02 6:19:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, LSinervo@aol.com writes:


I was thinking of creating a list that I could link to the page for anyone who wanted to post info on outfits they wanted to get rid of



I meant, a link on my page that would link to the list.
 --part1_116.1a120839.2afb2832_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 21:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18547 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72b2NP004762; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72b0Ck007071; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf38bis.bellsouth.net (mail119.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.59]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72aQCk006883 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:36:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlphaB ([67.35.50.194]) by imf38bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021107023806.IEOK4128.imf38bis.bellsouth.net@AlphaB> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:38:06 -0500 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb Message-ID: <000801c28606$7447e630$5f67fea9@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C285DC.8B71DE30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12e.1aa20b1d.2afb1e97@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:36:14 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C285DC.8B71DE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Fripper" - what a cool word! Is it a root of frippery? Around here (Georgia Renaissance Festival) we loan to each other, or perhaps sell to someone as an individual. It's a great idea, but you'd have to get enough pieces to give a selection. One problem would be re-selling easily recognized items from booths at that faire, and being competition. For instance I can spot clothes from Heart's Delight, Royal Family, and Moresca from a long way . Ann -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of LSinervo@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:41 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb I have a question for those people in the U.S. particularly (or anyone else) who have been doing Ren Faires for awhile. What happens to all the old garb that people get tired of? Does period clothing circulate and/or get resold? Has anyone ever gone to a Ren Faire as a Fripper, a dealer in second hand goods as their gig? Is there any sort of on-line list dealing in the exchange of old renaissance costumes? Apart from E-bay I mean. Do you think there would be any interest in such a list? Just curious, Lisa ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C285DC.8B71DE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 "Fripper"  - what a cool word!   Is it a = root of=20 frippery?
 
Around here (Georgia Renaissance Festival) we loan to each = other, or=20 perhaps sell to someone as an individual.  It's a great idea, but = you'd=20 have to get enough pieces to give a selection.  One problem would=20 be re-selling easily recognized items from booths at that = faire, and=20 being competition.  For instance I=20 can spot clothes from Heart's Delight, Royal Family, and Moresca = from=20 a long way .  
 
Ann=20
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From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 LSinervo@aol.com
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Subject: [h-cost] = Fripper's and=20 second hand garb

I have a question for those = people in the=20 U.S. particularly (or anyone else) who have been doing Ren Faires for=20 awhile.  What happens to all the old garb that people get tired = of? =20 Does period clothing circulate and/or get resold?  Has anyone = ever gone=20 to a Ren Faire as a Fripper, a dealer in second hand goods as their = gig? =20 Is there any sort of on-line list dealing in the exchange of old = renaissance=20 costumes?  Apart from E-bay I mean.  Do you think there = would be any=20 interest in such a list? 

Just = curious,

Lisa=20
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C285DC.8B71DE30-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 6 23:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18974 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:25:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA74O2NP010791; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA74O1Ck010791; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA74NhCk010654 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:23:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021107042343.55529.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.247] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:23:43 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Florence exhibit in Chicago Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:23:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I was being stupid the other day and lost my bookmarks. Could some kind soul post again the dates for the Florence exhibit to be in Chicago and where. I keep forgetting that my kids are not little anymore, I can take an occasional day trip somewhere with a girl friend to navigate and I live only 3 hours south of Chicago. I still have trouble losing the indispensable mommy mindset even though the baby is now eleven. Working on various eras of corsets and shifts. What is the usual amount of ease for these two garments. Some corset eras lace all the way closed and some have "spring". Some shifts are very loose, as in Bella's camisias, while others look pretty close to the body. I'm looking at Regency and Elizabethan right now for time periods and have to alter to allow for the mountains (DD) but have no real idea as to how much ease to allow for correctness and comfort. A ballpark figure to start with and then I will go into mock-ups, probably of printed calico so I'll have new night wear and not waste the lovely hankerchief linen the nice lady ordered for me. Cassandra (who must now leave for work) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 00:08:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19074 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:08:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7567NP013023; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7560Ck022639; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA755gCk022505 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:05:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.14a.17041c71 (4446) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:05:24 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.17041c71.2afb4e93@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14a.17041c71.2afb4e93_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:05:23 EST Status: RO --part1_14a.17041c71.2afb4e93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/6/02 6:38:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 a_neff@bellsouth.net writes: > "Fripper" - what a cool word! Is it a root of frippery? >=20 > Main Entry: frip=B7pery > Pronunciation: 'fri-p(&-)rE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -per=B7ies=20 Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, from=20 frepe old garment Date: 1568 1 : obsolete : a : cast-off clothes b : archaic : a place where old clothes=20 are sold=20 2 a : FINERY; al= so : an elegant or showy garment b : something showy,=20 frivolous, or nonessential : LUXURY, TRIFLE c : OSTE= NTATION; especially :=20 something foolish or affectedly elegant=20 yes........I like the word very much myself. --part1_14a.17041c71.2afb4e93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/6/02 6:38:20 PM Pacific Standard= Time, a_neff@bellsouth.net writes:


"Fripper"  - what a cool word!   Is it a r= oot of frippery?

Main Entry: frip= =B7pery
Pronunciat= ion: 'fri-p(&-)rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):  plural -per=B7ies
Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, from frepe old garment
Date: 1568
1 : obsolete : a : cast-off clothes b : archa= ic : a place where old clothes are sold
2 a : FINERY<= /A>; also : an elegant or showy garment b : something s= howy, frivolous, or nonessential : LUXURY, TRIFLE c : OSTENTATION; especially : something foolis= h or affectedly elegant

yes........I like the word v= ery much myself.

 --part1_14a.17041c71.2afb4e93_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 01:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19413 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA76e2NP017717; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA76e0Ck016071; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA76d6Ck015860 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from jessica.earthlink.net (pcp02823258pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.255.99]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5700J7414VF7@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: Brenda Bell In-reply-to: <20021106190009.24244.743.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-Sender: webwarren@earthlink.net (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021106160703.00accda8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1427 - 4 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:09:02 -0500 Status: RO At 09:45 AM 11/6/2002 -0800, Kendra wrote: >I came across these 1830's sleeve pads on the Kyoto Costume Institute's >webpage -- I think these would be similar to what might be worn in the >1890's. Based on the shape and on the garments in Patterns of Fashion, I suspect these are pads for the false undersleeves -- not for puffed shoulder/leg-of-mutton sleeves. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 03:55:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00480 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 03:55:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA78p3NP023178; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA78p1Ck016089; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA78oCCk015834 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AE7560C801EC; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:47:33 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE76269C0102; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: <022d01c28621$10481f40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Deadline Approaching Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:46:48 -0500 Status: RO Just a reminder that Sunday is the deadline to enter the 2002 Online Costume Ball. If you enter after that date, you will be held over for the 2003 Ball. I will be adding new guests all week long as my back holds up. The guests that I added to the Ball tonight start at Group 9 Guest 38 through Group 10 Guest 48. I still have several guests to add so check back frequently. Take a close look at Guest 40 called "Elizabethan News." In one photo she is holding all of the skirt pleated in two hands. When she twirls (the first photo) all the pleats of newspaper expand into a full skirt like a drum farthingale. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 04:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23274 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:28:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA79L2NP024566; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA79L1Ck022234; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA79KQCk022111 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:20:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gA79Mo024761.; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:22:50 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:20:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Deadline Approaching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA79KQCk022111 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:20:17 +0000 Status: RO I love Stephen's Green Man costume! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> penny@costumegallery.com 11/07/02 05:46am >>> Just a reminder that Sunday is the deadline to enter the 2002 Online Costume Ball. If you enter after that date, you will be held over for the 2003 Ball. I will be adding new guests all week long as my back holds up. The guests that I added to the Ball tonight start at Group 9 Guest 38 through Group 10 Guest 48. I still have several guests to add so check back frequently. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 06:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24631 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Bf2NP028369; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Bf0Ck018063; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7BerCk018031 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:40:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021107114052.4524.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:40:52 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:40:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > On the basis of 5 minutes looking... We seem to have 3 headcovering > items here. There is the wired coif (earpieces just showing), the tight > forehead cloth, and the loose hood-type item which fastens (or not, in > the case of VISIT_METSU) around the neck. I have a book of Allan Ramsay > portraits which show a number of ladies, always at their best, in either > a wired coif or the loose hood, but both showing hair under them. Both > the old and the sick are expected to need to keep warm and keep their > heads well-wrapped - perhaps that is the function of the tight forehead > cloth, and it is combined as appropriate with the fashion headcovering? What a good idea! Perhaps the easiest and most logical idea/thought might well be the correct one (in addition to other thoughts perhaps) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 07:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24940 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:51:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Cm5NP000582; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Cm0Ck001926; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7ClNCk001790 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.99] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id A0157519033E; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:44:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c2865c$2cdeb020$635183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <000801c285bc$45ae9390$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 1890's sleeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:49:55 -0500 Status: RO I have a pair of these that I believe to be from the 1890s. They differ in size and are somewhat kidney shaped. Three narrow twill ties are purposed to attach them to the armseye. And they are very warm to wear. I can well imagine they were not worn in the summer. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1890's sleeves > I came across these 1830's sleeve pads on the Kyoto Costume Institute's > webpage -- I think these would be similar to what might be worn in the > 1890's. > > http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1820/09-009455_a > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 08:21:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25150 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DF4NP001639; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DF3Ck007931; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DCFCk007295 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-4-156.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.4.156] helo=dan) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 189mSE-0003Dk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:12:14 +0000 Message-ID: <007501c2865f$cc591340$9c0424d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Back-in-Print Books Ltd Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:15:52 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I came across a book reprinted by this company when I was last in hospital, and I wondered whether we might be able to muster sufficient interest in some of those books we always want and are either never are able to find, or horrendously expensive! The quality of the book is excellent, and while it's not going to be cheap it's likely to be achievable , as opposed to wildly beyond our reach. http://www.backinprint.co.uk/whoarewe.html Any thoughts on a wish list? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 08:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25261 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DeBNP002595; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7De9Ck013759; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DdQCk013579 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:39:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a259.in-tch.com [66.62.107.59]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA7DNv921318 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:23:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DCA6D1C.15007D36@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flying with a Parasol? References: <20021030141058.19408.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC137AE.93F0C156@bigpond.com> <3DC04E6C.412EFA1F@netdefender.com> <4.3.1.2.20021101221655.04c99b30@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:39:40 -0700 Status: RO I'm in NW Montana, although it's warmed up some since then. We're back to something a little more rational, although still definitely winter. Blech! --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >--sue, who thinks Puerto Rico sounds mighty fine about now....we've got > >record cold temps this week--3 degrees above 0 this a.m. (that's > >farenheit...about 30 degrees below freezing. Not at all sure of what > >the appropriate metric number would be, but d@mn! it's cold out!) > > Where are you? I have a daughter in New York City in college, and she, a > native-Californian, is about to discover Winter. Of course she will need a > New-York-Winter costume, as opposed to the San-Francisco-'Winter' costume > she's been used to all her life. She actually grew up in San Jose, 50 > miles south of San Francisco, where the weather is much milder than it is > in San Francisco. > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 08:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25265 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:43:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Dg2NP002704; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Dg0Ck014195; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7DfSCk014044 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:41:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-4-156.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.4.156] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 189muV-0004QI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:41:27 +0000 Message-ID: <009b01c28663$e1392c60$9c0424d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <14a.17041c71.2afb4e93@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:45:05 -0000 Status: RO Hi there, Can you cite the dictionary you are quoting? I'm running down references in the OED at the moment, but it would help if I knew the dictionary you are using. Also, what date are you positing for your premises on Threadneedle St? best wishes Stevie _________--- > Main Entry: frip·pery > Pronunciation: 'fri-p(&-)rE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -per·ies Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French freperie, from frepe old garment Date: 1568 1 : obsolete : a : cast-off clothes b : archaic : a place where old clothes are sold _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 10:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25567 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7FBKNP008070; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7FBFCk011699; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7FA9Ck011246 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.50] (pool181-5.patriot.net [209.249.181.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA7FA63S015968 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:10:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DAB9CA4.6010207@earthlink.net> References: <20021014091113.V43189-100000@shell.siscom.net> <009201c27402$3fc9edb0$03cdadcb@michaela> <3DAB9CA4.6010207@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] braces & corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:18 -0500 Status: RO There was some discussion a while back about metal corsets as braces for orthopedic treatment. I wore a brace from ages 10 to 16, and sometimes wonder if my interest in historic corsetry was partially due to the familiarity of wearing one. Someone mentioned a scoliosis brace seeming like a torture device. The only one that looks that way is the Charleston Bend brace, which bends the body in the opposite direction of the curve. It's only worn at night for treatment, since the extent of the bending limits mobility. Otherwise braces fit the shape of the body, or the shape that the body is supposed to be. This web page http://users.netmatters.co.uk/ju90/cylife.htm is written by a woman who wears a brace as an adult, and modified its appearance do make it interesting and fashionable to wear. What a great concept, after so many years of people hiding their differences! I found the page while surfing around after I saw the movie Frida. I really enjoyed the art direction, how her paintings melted in and out of scenes. And, of course, there are some nice early & mid 20thC costumes. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 10:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25719 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Fm7NP011181; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:48:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Fm1Ck027539; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7FlYCk027240 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:47:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.10d.1a862517 (4230) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:22 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.1a862517.2afbe50a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.1a862517.2afbe50a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:22 EST Status: RO --part1_10d.1a862517.2afbe50a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 5:42:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevie.gamble@btinternet.com writes: > Can you cite the dictionary you are quoting? I'm running down > references in the OED at the moment, but it would help if I knew the > dictionary you are using. Also, what date are you positing for your > premises on Threadneedle St? I did a cut and paste from the AOL online Merriam Webster dictionary. It is my intention to have the two Tudor / Elizabethan time periods done by the time I launch the site next June, (www.threadneedlest.com if your interested) but I will also be adding era's forwards and backwards. It's a long term project. The thought it behind it is, one can enter a date and have a look at the shops, guilds and industry involved in the clothing trade at any point in time so see what's for sale or what's in style at that point in time. If it was the medieval time period, one might find a number of pages for various guilds and to see what's going out of style, one might look at the fripper's shop page, if you entered in 1960 you might find yourself in a department store. If you entered the current date, you would find my on-line catalogue of vintage/historical reproduction clothing. Rgds, Lisa --part1_10d.1a862517.2afbe50a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 5:42:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevie.gamble@btinternet.com writes:


Can you cite the dictionary you are quoting? I'm running down
references in the OED at the moment, but it would help if I knew the
dictionary you are using. Also, what date are you positing for your
premises on Threadneedle St?


I did a cut and paste from the AOL online Merriam Webster dictionary.  It is my intention to have the two Tudor / Elizabethan time periods done by the time I launch the site next June, (www.threadneedlest.com if your interested) but I will also be adding era's forwards and backwards.  It's a long term project.  The thought it behind it is, one can enter a date and have a look at the shops, guilds and industry involved in the clothing trade at any point in time so see what's for sale or what's in style at that point in time.  If it was the medieval time period, one might find a number of pages for various guilds and to see what's going out of style, one might look at the fripper's shop page, if you entered in 1960 you might find yourself in a department store.  If you entered the current date, you would find my on-line catalogue of vintage/historical reproduction clothing. 

Rgds,

Lisa

 --part1_10d.1a862517.2afbe50a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 11:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25824 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:18:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7GH2NP014216; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7GH0aF012148; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7GGiaF011951 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:16:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Orkrv9dmon5OYDn2B3Vau4s="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG2BNWQN; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:16:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb Message-ID: <20021107.081608.-211469.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-41 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:43:48 +0000 Status: RO When I first saw the word, nightmares of my childhoood TV programming came back to me, and a song started up eeerily in my head, "Fripper, Fripper, Faster than lightning...." Anyone else remember "Flipper"? Oy. :/ Arlys On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:05:23 EST LSinervo@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/6/02 6:38:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > a_neff@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > "Fripper" - what a cool word! Is it a root of frippery? > > > > Main Entry: frip·pery > > Pronunciation: 'fri-p(&-)rE > Function: noun > Inflected Form(s): plural -per·ies > Etymology: Middle French friperie, alteration of Old French > freperie, from > frepe old garment > Date: 1568 > 1 : obsolete : a : cast-off clothes b : archaic : a place where old > clothes > are sold > 2 a : HREF="aol://4344:1708.D0025341.40133375.672502915">FINERY; also > : an elegant or showy garment b : something showy, > frivolous, or nonessential : HREF="aol://4344:1708.D0040987.40149021.672503271">LUXURY, HREF="aol://4344:1708.D0073541.40181578.672606222">TRIFLE c : HREF="aol://4344:1708.D0048297.40156331.672503471">OSTENTATION; > especially : > something foolish or affectedly elegant > > yes........I like the word very much myself. > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 11:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25947 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:49:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Gl5NP017065; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Gl2aF028521; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7GkBaF027940 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCs/BRN0u/vPPsPTaoPDAQTm3QcN3yB01HA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG2DCR8G; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:45:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk Message-ID: <20021107.104207.-166349.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-6,8-9 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:42:07 -0600 Status: RO I am in the process of adding a page documenting my construction of a dress in which to play Queen Elizabeth at a small local RenFaire. The first installment is up and can be seen at: http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ Look for the page that says 'To Dress A Queen' and follow along with the fun. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 12:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26139 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:23:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7HJJNp020144; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7HD1aF013346; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7HBlaF012568 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWjvByylaxPrsEedNyx1ENMxy9F1T8LHo8Q=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG2ETB94; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:11:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... Message-ID: <20021107.121014.-157511.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-8 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:10:14 -0500 Status: RO I do so love to hear other people's struggles to chose the fabric and design and then construct a new gown. I have pretty much quit making gowns for myself and just wear my old tunics and sideless surcotes and spend my creative juices to dress the dolls. It takes so little fabric and their figures don't change in the middle of construction. Do keep us posted on your updates. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 12:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26291 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Hi5NP022987; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Hi2aF002254; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7HhQaF001818 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:43:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021107174326.56821.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:43:26 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021107.104207.-166349.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO I'm sorry but I can't see anything that even remotely says 'to dress a queen'. Where do I find that? I use netscape, I won't diddle with evil IE, could that be the problem? Could you please send the direct link since I cannot find a link anywhere for the life of me? Nicole --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > I am in the process of adding a page documenting my construction of a > dress in which to play Queen Elizabeth at a small local RenFaire. The > first installment is up and can be seen at: > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ > > Look for the page that says 'To Dress A Queen' and follow along with the > fun. > > Karen ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 13:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26518 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7IF5NP025874; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7IF3aF019718; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7IESaF019309 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.107.1ac93cce (16633) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <107.1ac93cce.2afc0775@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_107.1ac93cce.2afc0775_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:14:13 EST Status: RO --part1_107.1ac93cce.2afc0775_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2002 11:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ Hmmmmm.. Temporarily UnavailableThe Tripod page you are trying to reach has exceeded its hourly bandwidth limit. The site will be available again in 2 hours! Thank you! Exceeding its hourly bandwidth limit. Shame on you! > > Look for the page that says 'To Dress A Queen' and follow along with the > fun. > Wait....I thought Quentin Crisp died..... [badda bing!] --part1_107.1ac93cce.2afc0775_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2002 11:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes:


http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/
Hmmmmm..

Temporarily UnavailableThe Tripod page you are trying to reach has exceeded its hourly bandwidth limit. The site will be available again in 2 hours! Thank you!



Exceeding its hourly bandwidth limit. Shame on you!



Look for the page that says 'To Dress A Queen' and follow along with the
fun.



Wait....I thought Quentin Crisp died.....

[badda bing!]
--part1_107.1ac93cce.2afc0775_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 14:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27215 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:55:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7JqhNP007240; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Jo0cr013911; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7Jnhcr013728 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCs/BRN0u/vPPOsSIM2Qzjn+hZrFqoVGxiA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG2PT48M; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:49:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... Message-ID: <20021107.134507.-166349.7.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-11,13-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:45:06 -0600 Status: RO Here's the direct link. http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/To%20Dress%20A%20Queen.htm I got a spanking from Tripod as apparently we have been using to much bandwidth. Foo! They just need to get a sense of humor. Karen On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:43:26 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= writes: > I'm sorry but I can't see anything that even remotely says 'to dress > a queen'. > Where do I find that? I use netscape, I won't diddle with evil IE, > could that > be the problem? Could you please send the direct link since I cannot > find a > link anywhere for the life of me? > > Nicole ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 15:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27596 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:41:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7KcgNP015984; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Ka1i4011975; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7KZ1i4011298 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31248 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.195.90]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c2869d$2e4a3d80$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <20021030141058.19408.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC137AE.93F0C156@bigpond.com> <3DC04E6C.412EFA1F@netdefender.com> <4.3.1.2.20021101221655.04c99b30@mail.frys.com> <3DCA6D1C.15007D36@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flying with a Parasol? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:35:16 -0500 Status: RO I am in upstate New York - about the middle of the state, almost exactly 200 miles north of NYC as it is measured in miles on the NYS Thruway. It has snowed about 3 times so far. A lot of upstate shut down yesterday, as the wet snow and ice on the trees (that still have leaves on them) brought down a lot of limbs and power lines. NYC just got rain. Rowena > I'm in NW Montana, although it's warmed up some since then. We're back > to something a little more rational, although still definitely winter. > Blech! > --Sue > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > > >--sue, who thinks Puerto Rico sounds mighty fine about now....we've got > > >record cold temps this week--3 degrees above 0 this a.m. (that's > > >farenheit...about 30 degrees below freezing. Not at all sure of what > > >the appropriate metric number would be, but d@mn! it's cold out!) > > > > Where are you? I have a daughter in New York City in college, and she, a > > native-Californian, is about to discover Winter. Of course she will need a > > New-York-Winter costume, as opposed to the San-Francisco-'Winter' costume > > she's been used to all her life. She actually grew up in San Jose, 50 > > miles south of San Francisco, where the weather is much milder than it is > > in San Francisco. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 16:10:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27785 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7L7pNP018833; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:07:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7L52i4027810; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7L43i4027283 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 78927 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2002 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 21:03:53 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... In-Reply-To: <20021107.134507.-166349.7.Seamstrix@juno.com> Message-ID: <20021107160229.I229-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:03:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I tried to get to your page (at 20 past 1) and got a message from tripod saying that your hourly bandwidth had been exceeded. I just checked (at 4:03) and got the same message. :( Thought I'd let you know, Drea (who really wants to see the pretty dresses!) On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Here's the direct link. > > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/To%20Dress%20A%20Queen.htm > > I got a spanking from Tripod as apparently we have been using to much > bandwidth. Foo! They just need to get a sense of humor. > > > Karen > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:43:26 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= > writes: > > I'm sorry but I can't see anything that even remotely says 'to dress > > a queen'. > > Where do I find that? I use netscape, I won't diddle with evil IE, > > could that > > be the problem? Could you please send the direct link since I cannot > > find a > > link anywhere for the life of me? > > > > Nicole > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 16:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27823 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7LEnNP019496; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:14:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7LD0i4002101; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f151.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.151]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7LC8i4001580 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:12:03 -0800 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:12:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 21:12:03.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[51C341D0:01C286A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:12:03 -0800 Status: RO I ask because I a working on a web site that will be a >virutal glimpse of the clothiers on Threadneedle St in Renaissance London. ~What a wonderful and fun project!~ >I will have a page devoted to a frippers shop and I was thinking of >creating >a list that I could link to the page for anyone who wanted to post info on >outfits they wanted to get rid of. Old ones, not new creations ~I think that is a fantastic idea. The "goodwill" of costumers...online. I often sell my used costumes with dramatically reduced prices just because I start running out of room. I'm often delighted to see something I remember making years back and when I talk to the new owner I find that it has been on many adventures. That's why my clothes are made to last. ;) ~ Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 16:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27859 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:21:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7LIjNP019919; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7LG1i4003804; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA7LD8i4002177 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:13:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021107211307.48714.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:13:07 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021107.134507.-166349.7.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:13:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Thank you very much, I got it now! :-) ohhh I love dress diaries, so exciting. Nicole --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Here's the direct link. > > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/To%20Dress%20A%20Queen.htm > > I got a spanking from Tripod as apparently we have been using to much > bandwidth. Foo! They just need to get a sense of humor. > > > Karen ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 19:06:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28965 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:06:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8084NP005371; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80835j006097; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12002.mail.yahoo.com (web12002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA80725j005666 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:07:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021108000701.16855.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.248] by web12002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:07:01 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] second hand clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:07:01 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Finally catching up on my list. I still have my first costume and my husbands and his roommates and my housemates. We were all so broke as college students that all I made were t-tunics with gussets and sometimes front-lacing. My own first costume was based on a portrait of the Madonna and child in Boucher's 20,000 years. The underdress was of gold twill doubleknit but it only showed at the edge of the neck and sleeves. The overdress laced up the front as in the portrait and was a medium weight cotton that happened to be the correct shade of blue. Some kind soul in our barony pointed out that wedding gown patterns often have the correct neckline and waist so I got a wedding gown pattern with the same simple lines and neck and waist and stitched it up with back lacing instead of a zipper. When we finally gave up the SCA after the third baby no-one was wearing the simple lower-class garments we were still using so I still have them all. The kids use them for Halloween and nightwear because they're natural fiber and comfortable. I realize the SCA in our area is much more authentic then when I started 25 years ago so I've never bothered passing the clothes on. I'm looking forward to the second-hand shop link and hope you'll keep us posted. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 19:07:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28971 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA806INP005235; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:06:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA806A5j005298; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA805d5j005028 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:05:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrbjlI90JiovypCnwk2QsrKBvIK0vEle2A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG26HRMH; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:05:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... Message-ID: <20021107.180013.-166349.9.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-8,10-21 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:00:12 -0600 Status: RO I have hopefully fixed the bandwidth issues. I think that Tripod has gotten stingier in what they allow for their free sites because I've enver had this issue before that I'm aware of. Pleh. Anyway, all should be able to view the page at their leisure now.....I hope........ Karen On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:03:58 -0500 (EST) Drea Leed writes: > I tried to get to your page (at 20 past 1) and got a message from > tripod > saying that your hourly bandwidth had been exceeded. I just checked > (at > 4:03) and got the same message. :( > > Thought I'd let you know, > > Drea > (who really wants to see the pretty dresses!) > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 19:44:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29220 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80k2NP008090; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80k15j021185; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80jS5j020953 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:45:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip187.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.187]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA80jInv006849 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes In-Reply-To: References: <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:23:56 -0500 Status: RO So, has anyone come across references to cross cloths or forehead cloths into the 18th century? Or seen them in pictures? How late do these things go? I've seen things that looked like some kind of under-cap, and wondered what they were, but darn it all, at the moment I can't remember where I saw them and what period. It does solve one problem for me -- what were 18th c. Scottish Highland women wearing under their kertches? I'd bet anything it was a forehead cloth. You can see something peeking out from under the edge of the kertch in the Henwife picture; her kertch is clearly pinned to it at the crown of her head. -- Mara At 08:24 PM 11/6/2002 +0000, you wrote: >On the basis of 5 minutes looking... We seem to have 3 headcovering items >here. There is the wired coif (earpieces just showing), the tight >forehead cloth, and the loose hood-type item which fastens (or not, in the >case of VISIT_METSU) around the neck. I have a book of Allan Ramsay >portraits which show a number of ladies, always at their best, in either a >wired coif or the loose hood, but both showing hair under them. Both the >old and the sick are expected to need to keep warm and keep their heads >well-wrapped - perhaps that is the function of the tight forehead cloth, >and it is combined as appropriate with the fashion headcovering? > >Just an instant thought > >Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 19:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29224 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:44:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80kINP008109; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80kG5j021311; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA80jT5j020969 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip187.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.187]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA80jInx006849 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192432.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:26:20 -0500 Status: RO This isn't RenFaire, but this spring we had a Reenactor's Yard Sale in the DC area (well, Maryland). A local reenacting couple held it at their house. There was a decent turnout; we could have had more of one if we'd posted notes at, say, Gettysburg etc. The goods being sold ranged from the Iron Age through Vietnam. I made a little money selling stuff from periods I no longer do, as did a few friends of mine. Not a bad idea, really! I hope they do it again next year. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 20:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29346 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81N3NP010492; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81N05j004406; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81MM5j004212 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.172.113c2bcc (16781) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:22:13 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:22:12 EST Status: RO --part1_172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 4:46:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes: > There was a decent turnout; we could have had more of one if we'd > posted notes at, say, Gettysburg etc So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to announce their "yard sales" would be good? What about the inclusion of costuming books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it would be too broad to include, tents, banners and all second hand re-enactment gear. Or maybe just broadly textile related? --part1_172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 4:46:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes:


There was a decent turnout; we could have had more of one if we'd
posted notes at, say, Gettysburg etc


So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to announce their "yard sales" would be good?  What about the inclusion of costuming books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it would be too broad to include, tents, banners and all second hand re-enactment gear.  Or maybe just broadly textile related? --part1_172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 7 20:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29428 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:38:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81d3NP011491; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81d25j009457; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA81d05j009428 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from p73-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.73] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189y6s-00059U-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:38:58 +1300 Message-ID: <004901c286c7$99a13cd0$49c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021014091113.V43189-100000@shell.siscom.net> <009201c27402$3fc9edb0$03cdadcb@michaela> <3DAB9CA4.6010207@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:38:54 +1300 Status: RO > There was some discussion a while back about metal corsets as > braces for orthopedic treatment. I wore a brace from ages 10 to 16, > and sometimes wonder if my interest in historic corsetry was > partially due to the familiarity of wearing one. Yep, and I expected more of a reaction to Valerie Steele actually finding documented proof that metal corsets *were* prescribed for problems with the torso. Doesn't mean to say the ones we have around were for this use, but that one of the rumours/theories is true. > http://users.netmatters.co.uk/ju90/cylife.htm > is written by a woman who wears a brace as an adult, and modified its > appearance do make it interesting and fashionable to wear. What a > great concept, after so many years of people hiding their differences! Wow, her text on perception of disability is really interesting, and somethign I've had to deal with, though on a less visible and all encompasing way. I've been having to wear wrist and elbow braces fairly constantly this last year, and started to make my own. I may now go one step further and *personalise* my braces. Thanks so much for this, it's given me a fresher more positive (if a kiss my ass;) ) view of what I can do:) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 00:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30547 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8598NP023056; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA85905j012884; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA858h5j012738 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCrbjlI90JiovJKXjbE/tBPhluGHJ4GhmFQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG3PTZBG; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:08:12 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021107.230215.-166349.10.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,8-10,12-19 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:02:15 -0600 Status: RO I have found an on line source for boots that seem to be a pretty good version of a Victorian lace-up boot. They are made of leather (uppers, of course) and have a modest heel. The best part is that they come in a wide variety of sizes and are just under $50.00USD. I have received the pair that I ordered and the quality looks good but they seem to run a tad on the small size. They have lots of half sizes and if you are wondering about buying a size or a half size, go with the slightly larger option. Did I mention they also do W and WW? http://www.roamans.com/roamans/product/product.asp?pf_id=19343&dept_id=74 6&rootdept=610&parent_id=742& Not affiliated, just a customer. Happy Shopping! Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 01:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30753 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA86X3NP026674; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA86X15j004762; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA86WN5j004587 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:32:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.151.17186309 (4568) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <151.17186309.2afcb46f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_151.17186309.2afcb46f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:32:15 EST Status: RO --part1_151.17186309.2afcb46f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With that fabric your gown is going to look very nice. Is it something you had, I think it might have taken 4 weeks just to track it down! Lisa --part1_151.17186309.2afcb46f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With that fabric your gown is going to look very nice.  Is it something you had, I think it might have taken 4 weeks just to track it down!

Lisa --part1_151.17186309.2afcb46f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 03:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14230 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:16:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88I9NP000169; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88I15j028698; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA88Hh5j028563 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:17:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021108081738.4366.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:17:38 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:17:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Well, they go from my research at least up to 1715. *G* I might have even seen a 1720s picture, but anything later than that I wouldn't know. Nicole --- Kevin + Mara wrote: > So, has anyone come across references to cross cloths or forehead cloths > into the 18th century? Or seen them in pictures? How late do these things > go? I've seen things that looked like some kind of under-cap, and wondered > what they were, but darn it all, at the moment I can't remember where I saw > them and what period. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 03:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25195 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88TDNP000557; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88T75j004538; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88Sc5j004256 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA02936 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211080850.AAA02936@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "michaela" wrote: [...] > > http://users.netmatters.co.uk/ju90/cylife.htm > > is written by a woman who wears a brace as an adult, and modified its > > appearance do make it interesting and fashionable to wear. What a > > great concept, after so many years of people hiding their differences! I know at least one local here who wears a plastron brace who recently painted his bright gold. And then added a big sculptural pot leaf on the front (sort of like Superman, only cooler). He says that doctors often try and pretend they just didn't see that...[grin] > Wow, her text on perception of disability is really interesting, and > somethign I've had to deal with, though on a less visible and all > encompasing way. I've been having to wear wrist and elbow braces fairly > constantly this last year, and started to make my own. > > I may now go one step further and *personalise* my braces. I had a pair of wrist braces ages ago (oh, at least 3 or 4 pairs back) that I added huge blinking LEDs onto. They attached onto the straps. And yes, they made mighty cool clubwear. Since I no longer wear the wrist braces during the day, I haven't bothered to do anything with the current pair. However, my finger splints have gotten so many comments that I'm fairly sure I could make money selling them as fashion accessories. They're a slightly different design from the ones on this page: http://www.silverringsplint.com/hyperextension.html Mine are formed of one piece of hammered silver worked spirally (like those spoon rings that were popular during the 1970s). They give the appearance of doubled silver rings. If my hands were still up to doing production silversmithing, I could probably sell these to the teenagers and club kids for a decent amount of money. > Thanks so much for this, it's given me a fresher more positive (if a kiss my > ass;) ) view of what I can do:) Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm crippled. Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been thumbing my nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When they quit getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part seriously. I am _seriously_ tempted to get an extremely dark pair of wire frame specs for Dickens Fair this year and go as a blind musician... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 03:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26738 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:29:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88V1NP000654; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88V15j005054; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA88Ux5j005043 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA02960 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211080852.AAA02960@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:52:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > I have found an on line source for boots that seem to be a pretty good > version of a Victorian lace-up boot. They are made of leather (uppers, of > course) and have a modest heel. The best part is that they come in a wide > variety of sizes and are just under $50.00USD. I have received the pair > that I ordered and the quality looks good but they seem to run a tad on > the small size. They have lots of half sizes and if you are wondering > about buying a size or a half size, go with the slightly larger option. > Did I mention they also do W and WW? > > http://www.roamans.com/roamans/product/product.asp?pf_id=19343&dept_id=74 > 6&rootdept=610&parent_id=742& Bugger, the smallest size is US7. Looks like I'm still stuck with my lace-up western boots. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 04:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00364 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8964NP002283; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA89615j013955; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA895l5j013885 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-021.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.21]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2921719FC4B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:05:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DCB7E69.6080409@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb References: <172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010709040502080600040502" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:05:45 +0100 Status: RO --------------010709040502080600040502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to > announce their "yard sales" would be good? What about the inclusion > of costuming books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it > would be too broad to include, tents, banners and all second hand > re-enactment gear. Or maybe just broadly textile related? I think that is very interesting. A place where you can buy second hand pavilions would be nice. New ones are so expensive. But I think that it would also work for new handmade stuf. One list where you can buy everything you need for SCA or reenactment. Maby it is even possible to make someting as eBay, and earn money with it..... Greetings, Deredere --------------010709040502080600040502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to announce their "yard sales" would be good?  What about the inclusion of costuming books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it would be too broad to include, tents, banners and all second hand re-enactment gear.  Or maybe just broadly textile related?
I think that is very interesting. A place where you can buy second hand pavilions would be nice. New ones are so expensive.
But I think that it would also work for new handmade stuf. One list where you can buy everything you need for SCA or reenactment.
Maby it is even possible to make someting as eBay, and earn money with it.....

Greetings,
        Deredere
--------------010709040502080600040502-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 08:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20167 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Dl9NP011507; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Dl15j019087; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Dk75j018829 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA8DUcf29633 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:30:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DCBC02D.3A1F20E2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Begins..... References: <20021107160229.I229-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 06:46:21 -0700 Status: RO I just tried it (fairly early Friday a.m.), and didn't have any problems. Karen, I sure wish I lived near enough to you to sneak over and bump you off for that *amazing* brocade! Drooooooool! --sue Drea Leed wrote: > > I tried to get to your page (at 20 past 1) and got a message from tripod > saying that your hourly bandwidth had been exceeded. I just checked (at > 4:03) and got the same message. :( > > Thought I'd let you know, > > Drea > (who really wants to see the pretty dresses!) > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > Here's the direct link. > > > > > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/To%20Dress%20A%20Queen.htm > > > > I got a spanking from Tripod as apparently we have been using to much > > bandwidth. Foo! They just need to get a sense of humor. > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:43:26 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= > > writes: > > > I'm sorry but I can't see anything that even remotely says 'to dress > > > a queen'. > > > Where do I find that? I use netscape, I won't diddle with evil IE, > > > could that > > > be the problem? Could you please send the direct link since I cannot > > > find a > > > link anywhere for the life of me? > > > > > > Nicole > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 08:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20195 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:48:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Do3NP011666; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Do15j019999; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8DnQ5j019807 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA8DXvf00628 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:33:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DCBC0F4.8CA0260@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets References: <20021014091113.V43189-100000@shell.siscom.net> <009201c27402$3fc9edb0$03cdadcb@michaela> <3DAB9CA4.6010207@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 06:49:40 -0700 Status: RO I'm laughing, not from your interesting info, but from the mental picture I was getting from the thread topic....I took it to be regarding corsets and braces/_suspenders_, and couldn't quite picture it, but figured it kinda described the various interests of this list pretty darn good! --Sue, in dark, potentially snowy Montana Carol Kocian wrote: > > There was some discussion a while back about metal corsets as > braces for orthopedic treatment. I wore a brace from ages 10 to 16, > and sometimes wonder if my interest in historic corsetry was > partially due to the familiarity of wearing one. > > Someone mentioned a scoliosis brace seeming like a torture > device. The only one that looks that way is the Charleston Bend > brace, which bends the body in the opposite direction of the curve. > It's only worn at night for treatment, since the extent of the > bending limits mobility. Otherwise braces fit the shape of the body, > or the shape that the body is supposed to be. > > This web page > > http://users.netmatters.co.uk/ju90/cylife.htm > > is written by a woman who wears a brace as an adult, and modified its > appearance do make it interesting and fashionable to wear. What a > great concept, after so many years of people hiding their differences! > > I found the page while surfing around after I saw the movie > Frida. I really enjoyed the art direction, how her paintings melted > in and out of scenes. And, of course, there are some nice early & > mid 20thC costumes. :-) > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 09:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20349 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8ELZNP013287; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:21:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8ELW5j029173; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:21:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8EIS5j028087 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bef2.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FA5F263FAB for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:18:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c28731$e6c36eb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] the saga begins Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:19:51 +0100 Status: RO Jubii, it finally worked for me to se your projekt. It looks gorgeous, cant wait to follow your diary! Wonderfull brocade, where did you find that? It is silk yes? Sumptious................ Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 09:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20417 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ee3NP014482; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ee05j004873; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Edb5j004753 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:38:30 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AC653949011E; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:38:29 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:38:29 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots Message-ID: <001201c28734$c0d5ee50$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021107.230215.-166349.10.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:40:14 -0600 Status: RO I just checked out those boots from Roamans, and they look very good, especially at that price. One word of warning--at the top of the laces, they have hooks insteads of grommets. The hooks will catch on your petticoats and tear them. I speak from experience. One place I have found similar boots in smaller sizes is the thrift store. Since I'm looking for 9's and 10's, it seems to me they always have size 5's there. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of seamstrix@juno.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots I have found an on line source for boots that seem to be a pretty good version of a Victorian lace-up boot. They are made of leather (uppers, of course) and have a modest heel. The best part is that they come in a wide variety of sizes and are just under $50.00USD. I have received the pair that I ordered and the quality looks good but they seem to run a tad on the small size. They have lots of half sizes and if you are wondering about buying a size or a half size, go with the slightly larger option. Did I mention they also do W and WW? http://www.roamans.com/roamans/product/product.asp?pf_id=19343&dept_id=7 4 6&rootdept=610&parent_id=742& Not affiliated, just a customer. Happy Shopping! Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 11:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20966 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8G5HNP021839; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:05:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8G5FcH010217; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.bos.untd.com (m8.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA8G4ScH009780 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:04:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Oj6YQ5EhJohxYys3zGpuGMY="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG4VCW3D; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:04:04 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets Message-ID: <20021108.080403.-211469.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4,6-13,19-20,25-26,31-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:50:14 +0000 Status: RO > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm > crippled. Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been > thumbing my nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When > they quit getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part > seriously. > > I am _seriously_ tempted to get an extremely dark pair of wire frame > specs for Dickens Fair this year and go as a blind musician... > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert Go get 'em! :D I've run into this too from time to time (rheumatoid arthritis). If I cut my long skirts shorter in the front and longer in the back, it means I can get up and walk without tripping (and, incidentally, the shirt has a lovely flow to it). If my sleeves tend towards more fitting than not, it means I can use my arms better. If my shoes have orthotics, so? What business is it of theirs?? I teach a newcomer's class to the SCA on a fairly regular basis. I am always telling my students not to follow certain things I do because I am disabled, but also make it clear that there are things they can do and should if they have mobility issues and give them ideas for adaptations. And fer Pete's sake, wear your glasses..... :) Along the same line, this last month I proposed and my shire voted for monies for a portable elevated toilet seat. Privately owned sites in the U.S. are not required to be ADA compliant, and sometimes the most basic of needs are met with inaccessible facilities. So we got one and it now lives in the Shire inventory to be used for indoor events. Arlys ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 11:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21223 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ga5NP024587; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ga1cH025215; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8GZ8cH024786 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.115.1a4b2d12 (25914) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <115.1a4b2d12.2afd41b0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.1a4b2d12.2afd41b0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:34:56 EST Status: RO --part1_115.1a4b2d12.2afd41b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 1:07:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: > One list where you can buy everything you need for SCA or reenactment. > Maby it is even possible to make someting as eBay, and earn money with > it..... > Oh, so maybe I should actually BE a fripper! After speaking with a few theatrical costume designers I have pretty much decided to make a list with the intention of promoting the circulation of second hand theatrical, re-enactment garments and related props such as tents and banners. My friend mentioned that after a show they often advertise a sale and places like the San Francisco Opera House also do the same so it might be nice for some of us to know about these things and possibly have a place to get rid of our old stuff too. It is not something I wish to spend much time on or make money from, but it may be a useful service and if the list is not of any use then it can just die its natural death, like old clothes themselves. I will put something to gether by the end of this month and send out invitations to theatrical groups, living history groups and costume guilds. I am considering also advising commercial costume shops of the list but I am interested in keeping this list to historical/theatrical CLOTHING, not cheap party frocks, but such shops might be potential buyers of the things for sale. Thanks for you feedback. Lisa --part1_115.1a4b2d12.2afd41b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 1:07:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes:


One list where you can buy everything you need for SCA or reenactment.
Maby it is even possible to make someting as eBay, and earn money with it.....


Oh, so maybe I should actually BE a fripper!  After speaking with a few theatrical costume designers I have pretty much decided to make a list with the intention of promoting the circulation of second hand theatrical, re-enactment garments and related props such as tents and banners.  My friend mentioned that after a show they often advertise a sale and places like the San Francisco Opera House also do the same so it might be nice for some of us to know about these things and possibly have a place to get rid of our old stuff too.  It is not something I wish to spend much time on or make money from, but it may be a useful service and if the list is not of any use then it can just die its natural death, like old clothes themselves.  I will put something to gether by the end of this month and send out invitations to theatrical groups, living history groups and costume guilds.  I am considering also advising commercial costume shops of the list but I am ! interested in keeping this list to historical/theatrical CLOTHING, not cheap party frocks, but such shops might be potential buyers of the things for sale. 

Thanks for you feedback.

Lisa --part1_115.1a4b2d12.2afd41b0_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 11:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21308 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:44:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Gk3NP025503; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Gk2cH000534; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8GjNcH000122 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.11c.1a161890 (25305) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.1a161890.2afd441a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.1a161890.2afd441a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:14 EST Status: RO --part1_11c.1a161890.2afd441a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 9:09:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes: > I have found an on line source for boots that seem to be a pretty good > version of a Victorian lace-up boot. They are made of leather (uppers, of > course) and have a modest heel. The best part is that they come in a wide > variety of sizes and are just under $50.00USD. I have received the pair > that I ordered and the quality looks good but they seem to run a tad on > the small size. They have lots of half sizes and if you are wondering > about buying a size or a half size, go with the slightly larger option. > Did I mention they also do W and WW? > A word of warning. Roamans, (Like their Parent Company Lane Bryant) is notorious for listing items that are sold out. The other problem I have with them is that, although they have W and WW sizes, the shanks on the boots generally aren't any larger than anything you can buy in the regular stores. So if you have large calves they never fit right. I have just completed my annual fall ritual of attempting to buy $500.00 worth of boots and shoes, to find out that only $150.00 were available and that neither pair fit above my ankles. Kit --part1_11c.1a161890.2afd441a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/02 9:09:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, seamstrix@juno.com writes:


I have found an on line source for boots that seem to be a pretty good
version of a Victorian lace-up boot. They are made of leather (uppers, of
course) and have a modest heel. The best part is that they come in a wide
variety of sizes and are just under $50.00USD. I have received the pair
that I ordered and the quality looks good but they seem to run a tad on
the small size. They have lots of half sizes and if you are wondering
about buying a size or a half size, go with the slightly larger option.
Did I mention they also do W and WW?


A word of warning.  Roamans, (Like their Parent Company Lane Bryant) is notorious for listing items that are sold out.  The other problem I have with them is that, although they have W and WW sizes, the shanks on the boots generally aren't any larger than anything you can buy in the regular stores.  So if you have large calves they never fit right.  I have just completed my annual fall ritual of attempting to buy $500.00 worth of boots and shoes, to find out that only $150.00 were available and that neither pair fit above my ankles.

Kit
 --part1_11c.1a161890.2afd441a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 11:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21315 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Gl2NP025563; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Gl1cH001033; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8GklcH000870 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.176.117c1bf9 (25305) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <176.117c1bf9.2afd446f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_176.117c1bf9.2afd446f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:46:39 EST Status: RO --part1_176.117c1bf9.2afd446f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 6:40:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: > One place I have found similar boots in smaller sizes is the thrift > store. Since I'm looking for 9's and 10's, it seems to me they always > have size 5's there. Kim, Check E-Bay. I am always looking for 8's and 9's. And almost always get outbid on the 8's. But the 9's and 10's I generally have pretty good luck with. Kit --part1_176.117c1bf9.2afd446f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 6:40:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes:


One place I have found similar boots in smaller sizes is the thrift
store. Since I'm looking for 9's and 10's, it seems to me they always
have size 5's there.


Kim,

Check E-Bay.  I am always looking for 8's and 9's.  And almost always get outbid on the 8's.  But the 9's and 10's I generally have pretty good luck with.

Kit --part1_176.117c1bf9.2afd446f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 12:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22252 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8HhBNP001137; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Hh3cH001581; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8HgCcH001079 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8IkEYv004474 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:46:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021030141058.19408.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC137AE.93F0C156@bigpond.com> <3DC04E6C.412EFA1F@netdefender.com> <4.3.1.2.20021101221655.04c99b30@mail.frys.com> <3DCA6D1C.15007D36@in-tch.com> <002301c2869d$2e4a3d80$01fea8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:44:58 -0800 Status: RO To Ya'll- Yesterday Mountain View (b/t San Francisco and San Jose) had its Centennial Celebration. They needed costumed volunteers to be local period color and hand out commemorative items. Well, it wasn't snowing or even very cold, but, it was our first winter storm and it just rained buckets and buckets!! Now, of course, my hem was all the way to the ground with a slight train (ha-ha a pun, the celebration was at their new *train* station) and it got absolutely soaked. Where it wicked up the back, it dried to a slight stain, which I'm hoping will hand wash out, once the weather gets dry enough to use the clothes line again. Now, my question: did women in "the old days" have rainy weather outfits in which the hems were slightly off the ground? Thanks for listening to my tale of woe, Theresa Eacker (massive pruning ensues) Rowena wrote: > I am in upstate New York - > It has snowed about 3 times so far. A lot of upstate shut down yesterday, > as the wet snow and ice on the trees (that still have leaves on them) > brought down a lot of limbs and power lines. NYC just got rain. > Rowena > > >>I'm in NW Montana, although it's warmed up some since then. We're back >>to something a little more rational, although still definitely winter. >>Blech! >>--Sue >>>>--sue, who thinks Puerto Rico sounds mighty fine about now....we've got >>>>record cold temps this week--3 degrees above 0 this a.m. (that's >>>>farenheit...about 30 degrees below freezing. Not at all sure of what >>>>the appropriate metric number would be, but d@mn! it's cold out!) >>>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 13:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22839 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:35:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ib4NP006598; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ib1cH001263; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA8IalcH001125 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:36:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 18:36:47 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Gosh how this sounds like English re-enactment.... it rained EVERY time we did a re-enactment this year. *pfooie* Well, regarding your question, which period? which level of society? I believe that bad weather answers have a lot to do with who you are supposed to be and when. Nicole --- Theresa Eacker wrote: > To Ya'll- > > Yesterday Mountain View (b/t San Francisco and San Jose) had its > Centennial Celebration. They needed costumed volunteers to be local > period color and hand out commemorative items. Well, it wasn't snowing > or even very cold, but, it was our first winter storm and it just rained > buckets and buckets!! Now, of course, my hem was all the way to the > ground with a slight train (ha-ha a pun, the celebration was at their > new *train* station) and it got absolutely soaked. Where it wicked up > the back, it dried to a slight stain, which I'm hoping will hand wash > out, once the weather gets dry enough to use the clothes line again. > Now, my question: did women in "the old days" have rainy weather outfits > in which the hems were slightly off the ground? > > Thanks for listening to my tale of woe, > > Theresa Eacker > (massive pruning ensues) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 13:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22941 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Iq5NP007920; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Iq1cH008999; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ip0cH008481 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from netdefender.com (unverified [63.220.97.2]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:27:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3DCC07A6.EE8AC30C@netdefender.com> From: Jen Organization: NetDefender, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian-ish Boots References: <176.117c1bf9.2afd446f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jen@netdefender.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:51:17 -0500 Status: RO After however-many years of looking for Victorian-esque boots, I recently ordered a pair of Grishko "Hungarian" boots with my Year-End bonus. (http://www.grishko.com/charactershoes.htm -- they're the lower left-hand picture.) They aren't cheap, and I don't have them yet as they are a special-order/4-6 week delivery item and I just ordered them last week, but I'd be happy to provide more info if anyone's interested. --jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 14:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23217 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8JW2NP011711; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8JW0cH029185; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8JVmcH029057 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:31:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrwbc58 ([204.127.198.47]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021108193142.HZQE13074.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:31:42 +0000 Received: from [205.225.207.97] by rwcrwbc58; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:31:42 +0000 From: mabse@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFic2VAYXR0YmkuY29t Message-Id: <20021108193142.HZQE13074.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:31:42 +0000 Status: RO I have wondered about this myself. Not what people in mountain view would do (I would imagine that the time period is at most mid 1800's. Things wouldn't have been organized any longer than that in california.)but what you guys in the areas with weather do. I mean, you spend hours making yourself these great costumes out of fabulous fabrics and then have to cover them up most of the time. I realize that this shows my inability to understand the whole snow thing or even rain more than a couple of times a year, but it has always puzzled me. And, I never understood the thread about capes. So are you saying that people didn't wear capes ever? I am doing Elizabethan now, should I forgo the cape? It is not a real issue right now because I count on menopause keeping me warm no matter what the weather. but I can assure you that if this goes on too much longer I won't. By the way, I am reading a really good book right now, The Other Bolyn Sister. It is a great costume book. She talks about what clothing meant in that time. How Queen Kathrine set the fashion and then when Anne Boyln (how do you spell that) came into favor everybody started wearing french hoods and then Anne knew she was in trouble when everybody started wearing the headwear that Jane Seymore favored. I highly recommend it. Flying through almost hurricane strength winds last night I was much more concerned about Anne's pregnancies than I was about if the plane was going to be able to land and that is saying a lot. Her description of Kathrine's dress at her divorce hearing was wonderful. Which gets back to the previous topic because she used fur for lining. You may have to cover your costumes, but I couldn't even consider using fur, wool or even silk. maryann who is in a rainy sacramento > Gosh how this sounds like English re-enactment.... it rained EVERY time we did > a re-enactment this year. *pfooie* > Well, regarding your question, which period? which level of society? I believe > that bad weather answers have a lot to do with who you are supposed to be and > when. > > Nicole > > --- Theresa Eacker wrote: > To Ya'll- > > > > Yesterday Mountain View (b/t San Francisco and San Jose) had its > > Centennial Celebration. They needed costumed volunteers to be local > > period color and hand out commemorative items. Well, it wasn't snowing > > or even very cold, but, it was our first winter storm and it just rained > > buckets and buckets!! Now, of course, my hem was all the way to the > > ground with a slight train (ha-ha a pun, the celebration was at their > > new *train* station) and it got absolutely soaked. Where it wicked up > > the back, it dried to a slight stain, which I'm hoping will hand wash > > out, once the weather gets dry enough to use the clothes line again. > > Now, my question: did women in "the old days" have rainy weather outfits > > in which the hems were slightly off the ground? > > > > Thanks for listening to my tale of woe, > > > > Theresa Eacker > > (massive pruning ensues) > > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 15:51:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23966 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:51:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Kq8NP018467; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Kq1cH007999; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8KprcH007918 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8LtuYv005512 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:55:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCC248F.3010902@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:54:39 -0800 Status: RO To Nicole- I was doing in early 1890's walking suit, I guess I had a middle-class look so I wouldn't have had some poor peon trundling behind me to hold up the skirt. This was the first time I've done any portrayal in the rain, and, if I have anything to say about it, THE LAST TIME!! Theresa Eacker N Kipar wrote: > Gosh how this sounds like English re-enactment.... it rained EVERY time we did > a re-enactment this year. *pfooie* > Well, regarding your question, which period? which level of society? I believe > that bad weather answers have a lot to do with who you are supposed to be and > when. > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 16:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24346 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8LtDNP024198; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8LtAcH009253; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8LsacH008953 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18AH5E-0000QN-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 21:54:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:23:32 +0000 Status: RO N Kipar wrote >Gosh how this sounds like English re-enactment.... it rained EVERY time we did >a re-enactment this year. *pfooie* It did, oh yes, it did! >Well, regarding your question, which period? which level of society? I believe >that bad weather answers have a lot to do with who you are supposed to be and >when. > >Nicole > Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. Jean > --- Theresa Eacker wrote: > To Ya'll- >> >> Yesterday Mountain View (b/t San Francisco and San Jose) had its >> Centennial Celebration. They needed costumed volunteers to be local >> period color and hand out commemorative items. Well, it wasn't snowing >> or even very cold, but, it was our first winter storm and it just rained >> buckets and buckets!! Now, of course, my hem was all the way to the >> ground with a slight train (ha-ha a pun, the celebration was at their >> new *train* station) and it got absolutely soaked. Where it wicked up >> the back, it dried to a slight stain, which I'm hoping will hand wash >> out, once the weather gets dry enough to use the clothes line again. >> Now, my question: did women in "the old days" have rainy weather outfits >> in which the hems were slightly off the ground? >> >> Thanks for listening to my tale of woe, >> >> Theresa Eacker >> (massive pruning ensues) > > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: nicole@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 16:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24350 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:54:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Lu3NP024267; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Lu2cH009667; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8LsbcH008973 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18AH5I-0000TE-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 21:54:36 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes References: <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:18:47 +0000 Status: RO What is a kertch? This is interesting because (as I said elsewhere) I pin my wimple to my headscarf, to stop it blowing back. Jean Kevin + Mara wrote >So, has anyone come across references to cross cloths or forehead >cloths into the 18th century? Or seen them in pictures? How late do >these things go? I've seen things that looked like some kind of >under-cap, and wondered what they were, but darn it all, at the moment >I can't remember where I saw them and what period. > >It does solve one problem for me -- what were 18th c. Scottish Highland >women wearing under their kertches? I'd bet anything it was a forehead >cloth. You can see something peeking out from under the edge of the >kertch in the Henwife picture; her kertch is clearly pinned to it at >the crown of her head. > >-- Mara > > >At 08:24 PM 11/6/2002 +0000, you wrote: >>On the basis of 5 minutes looking... We seem to have 3 headcovering >>items here. There is the wired coif (earpieces just showing), the >>tight forehead cloth, and the loose hood-type item which fastens (or >>not, in the case of VISIT_METSU) around the neck. I have a book of >>Allan Ramsay portraits which show a number of ladies, always at their >>best, in either a wired coif or the loose hood, but both showing hair >>under them. Both the old and the sick are expected to need to keep >>warm and keep their heads well-wrapped - perhaps that is the function >>of the tight forehead cloth, and it is combined as appropriate with >>the fashion headcovering? >> >>Just an instant thought >> >>Jean > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 17:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24565 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MTXNP027717; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MTVcH027067; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:29:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MSacJ026559 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.228]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5A00GFC3RMNH@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-reply-to: <3DCC248F.3010902@misc.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021108133921.00ca7630@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:43:46 -0800 Status: RO >I was doing in early 1890's walking suit, I guess I had a middle-class >look so I wouldn't have had some poor peon trundling behind me to hold up >the skirt. This was the first time I've done any portrayal in the rain, >and, if I have anything to say about it, THE LAST TIME!! I've seen Charles Dana Gibson pictures from the early 1900s, where the women are doing what looks like grabbing the middle of the back of their skirts in a handfull, to hold it out of the way of walking. The pictures show them doing this in preference to grabbing the skirt in front anywhere, tho there's one picture showing a construction site where they even do grab their skirts in front as they walk on boards over construction trenches. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 17:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24571 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MT3NP027673; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MT1cH026798; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MSacH026559 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.228]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5A00GFC3RMNH@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-reply-to: <20021108193142.HZQE13074.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021108132342.00ca7db0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:38:16 -0800 Status: RO >(I >would imagine that the time period is at most mid 1800's. Things wouldn't >have >been organized any longer than that in California.) Things started getting 'organized' in California in the very late 1700s. The cities of San Francisco and San Jose were founded in the 1770s, as I recall. (But I grew up in California, and we had to learn that in school.) So there were women in California dealing with our weather from at least the early 1800s, probably back as far as the late 1700s. And, I never understood the thread about capes. So are you saying that people >didn't wear capes ever? I am doing Elizabethan now, should I forgo the >cape? It's not that 'they' didn't wear outerwear garments, it's just that many of us who do 'their' periods don't wear them because we live in places with climates other than the one in Northern Europe. > maryann who is in a rainy sacramento For those of you not living in Northern California, we got winds up to 60 miles per hour last night, with our first real rainstorm of the year. We got a substantial percentage of our annual rainfall last night. I'm just speculating, but I assume that in any period, previous to the modern one, any women living in California would want to stay dry if she had to go out in the rain, and that she would have had to deal with a muddy hem if her street wasn't paved, assuming she even had a street. This would necessitate wearing either something waterproof or something wool, and we have had wool in California as long as we have had Europeans. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 18:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24750 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NA9NP001979; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:10:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NA4cH017740; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA8N96cH017209 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:09:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021108230906.74643.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:09:06 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled > by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question if I am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those thousands and thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues while still loving one's costumes? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 18:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24821 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NOCNP002900; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NOBcH024052; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NM9cH023133 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip184.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.184]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA8NM6np018342 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021108181822.01f15ba8@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb In-Reply-To: <172.113c2bcc.2afc6bc4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_692123751==.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 18:19:14 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_692123751==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:22 PM 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to announce >their "yard sales" would be good? What about the inclusion of costuming >books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it would be too broad >to include, tents, banners and all second hand re-enactment gear. Or >maybe just broadly textile related? Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.? -- Mara --=====================_692123751==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 PM 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
So maybe a list from all time periods that also allowed people to announce their "yard sales" would be good?  What about the inclusion of costuming books, old fabric staches etc.........do you think it would be too broad to include, tents, banners and all second hand re-enactment gear.  Or maybe just broadly textile related?

Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.?

-- Mara --=====================_692123751==.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 18:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24833 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:25:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NK5NP002580; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NK3cH022187; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8NJ4cH021794 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.228]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5A00B8R63RAJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:19:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-reply-to: <20021108230906.74643.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021108151828.00d115b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:18:48 -0800 Status: RO > > Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled > > by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. > >Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question >if I >am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I >am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those >thousands and >thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* > >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues >while still loving one's costumes? Happens all the time. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 18:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24989 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Nh6NP004142; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Nh3cH002550; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (pop15.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.25]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Ng6cH002089 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from ANALYSIS.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.86]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.2) with ESMTP id gA8Nfmu03205 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108153309.00a6ba28@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20021108151828.00d115b0@mail.frys.com> References: <20021108230906.74643.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_27172406==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:34:03 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_27172406==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:18 PM 11/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: >> > Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled >> > by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. >> >>Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe >>question if I >>am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right >>now I >>am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those >>thousands and >>thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* >> >>Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues >>while still loving one's costumes? Daily, if not hourly >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California at Davis --=====================_27172406==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:18 PM 11/8/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled
> by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it.

Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question if I
am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I
am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those thousands and
thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh*

Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues
while still loving one's costumes?


Daily, if not hourly >; )

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California at Davis

--=====================_27172406==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 19:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25074 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:01:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA903NNP005545; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9036cH010559; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:03:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA902ZcH010315 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:02:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-11.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.11] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AJ58-0007N6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:02:34 +0000 Message-ID: <009101c28783$d11e88e0$0b1723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:06:13 -0000 Status: RO Jean wrote > Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously spoiled > by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. > I think that that is only partially so; if you are thinking in terms of the 'idle rich' then that may be accurate. But many of the rich weren't idle, and time, tide and the Armada were not minded to call the whole thing off so that the Lord Admiral didn't spoil his clothes. Nor would Elizabeth have abandoned her claim to possess the heart and stomach of a king of England at Tilbury for fear of getting wet, and on a rather less fraught occasion Raleigh really did blow a small fortune when he threw down his cloak for her to walk on. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 19:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25081 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:03:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9054NP005677; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9051cH011333; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA904kcH011222 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:04:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.175] (pm5-175.eos.net [205.133.149.175]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11235 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:04:43 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021108082904.4481.91832.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] fashion braces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:02:29 -0500 Status: RO Lee M Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm crippled. > Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been thumbing my > nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When they quit > getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part seriously. Why do you feel the need to offend anyone? I, for one, resent people dressing for the express purpose of offending me. It's . . . offensive. Which I thought was not a good thing to be. I understand people not wanting to have to hide their braces or wheelchair or prosthetics, etc., that's just plain common sense. And so is the urge to decorate or custom make such items -- something we should see more of! But to take a "happy to offend you" attitude with everyone, when only a minority of people are stupid or crass enough to be offended by whatever someone else needs to stay healthy/active/alive, is not productive for anyone. Nor would it be if the majority of people were stupid or crass. And if people are nasty about other people's clothing not being authentic because it has to accommodate special foundation garments, wheelchairs, crutches, or anything of the type -- well, they have the wrong priorities, don't they? So why worry about them? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 19:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25089 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:06:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9089NP005912; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9085Sp012539; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9077cH012089 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-11.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.11] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AJ9W-0002Is-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:07:06 +0000 Message-ID: <009b01c28784$72f225a0$0b1723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Half price Vintage Vogue patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:10:45 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, The Vogue pattern website is offering half-price on their Vintage (and other) patterns at: http://www.voguepatterns.com/ and I've just acquired the one for the 1931 bias cut evening dress which I have long yearned for. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 19:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25119 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA90H3NP006514; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA90H2Sp015914; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA90GgSp015774 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-23-11.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.23.11] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AJIn-0005EM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: <00ab01c28785$c9cf4780$0b1723d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:20:20 -0000 Status: RO Gail wrote: > Lee M Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm crippled. > > Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been thumbing my > > nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When they quit > > getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part seriously. > > Why do you feel the need to offend anyone? I, for one, resent people > dressing for the express purpose of offending me. It's . . . offensive. Actually, Lee never suggested that she felt the need to offend anyone, much less that she dressed for the express purpose of offending anyone. You have made an entirely unjustified inference from her observations in a manner which I, for one, find ... offensive. Stevie Gamble _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 20:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25427 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA91j6NP011345; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA91j1Sp013565; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12001.mail.yahoo.com (web12001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.207]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA91iQSp013401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:44:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021109014426.87941.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.230] by web12001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:44:26 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:44:26 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Actually Nicole, I never got tired of re-enacting because the babies came and I ran out of time. I do still costume and make my husband take me out to really fancy restuarants, I volunteer to help costume the madrigals at the local high school (where I get to sew the costumes and then not have to store them and the high school students are closer to pattern size) and I volunteer at the local museum to help with the reproduction clothing department. This all keeps me hopping and I get to do lots of different time periods. There is also a local theatre group that I could costume if I wanted but my need for authenticity doesn't match their desire for fast and dirty, close is good enough, and it only has to hold together for 4 performances. How does everyone size up a pattern that is several sizes too small? Some of the patterns I bought years ago are single size reproductions of original patterns and are as much as 10 inches to small around the bust. Unfortunately the cut is rather complicated so I can't just split the pattern pieces horizontally and vertically and add inches that way. I'm also working around a DD so I'm relatively top-heavy. Do I size the pattern up to my general size and then alter for the bust? One of the Wisconsin Historical patterns suggests adding 1/8 inch around each pattern piece for each size you want to go up. Does that sound like a good idea? Suggestions welcome. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 21:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25658 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA92q1NP014542; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA92q0Sp000288; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA92pTSp000131 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.c8.2fdcdad6 (4196) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.2fdcdad6.2afdd220_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:51:12 EST Status: RO --part1_c8.2fdcdad6.2afdd220_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 4:56:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes: > Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a > bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.? > Yes, a bulletin board is better suited to this. I am somewhat new to who offers what. Which fiber site are you referring to so I can see who provides the service? Or can you suggest any well regarded bulletin board providers? I don't think anyone wants daily deliverys of what's for sale messages, but a place to quickly see what might be listed. Thanks for the suggestion. Lisa --part1_c8.2fdcdad6.2afdd220_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 4:56:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes:


Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.?


Yes, a bulletin board is better suited to this.  I am somewhat new to who offers what.  Which fiber site are you referring to so I can see who provides the service?  Or can you suggest any well regarded bulletin board providers?  I don't think anyone wants daily deliverys of what's for sale messages, but a place to quickly see what might be listed.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Lisa --part1_c8.2fdcdad6.2afdd220_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 21:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25681 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA92v1NP014774; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA92v0Sp001597; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA92u0Sp001305 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWlX8GhMB1TPWv/DApC6S0ALwgNP/upWbPA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HG52MVGR; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 21:55:35 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Message-ID: <20021108.215425.-380065.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:54:24 -0500 Status: RO I don't know if the ladies in the olden days had shorter skirts for rain or not, but please don't let the stain set in until you can use your clothes line. Even if you have to hang it over the shower rod, you should wash it as soon after it was wet as possible. It is best if you can wash it before it ever dries but that is usually not possible. Just get it soaking now so you might get the stain out. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 22:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25746 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:18:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93K3NP015920; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93K0Sp007347; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93JESp007155 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.228]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5A00BXXH806O@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021108185937.04cc3100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021108082904.4481.91832.Mailman@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:06:10 -0800 Status: RO >But to take a "happy to offend you" >attitude with everyone, when only a minority of people are stupid or crass >enough to be offended by whatever someone else needs to stay >healthy/active/alive, is not productive for anyone. Nor would it be if the >majority of people were stupid or crass. Lee happens to be one of the musicians for my morris dance group, so I've seen her dress in a variety of styles, including Victorian (including an offensively-authentic Victorian bad-taste bonnet). While she's out there with her usual choice of day-to-day clothes, it's not what I would call offensive. In fact, I think the only people who would be offended by what she wears are the people who would be offended by whatever the younger generation is wearing this season. You probably wouldn't be offended by it, nor, if you saw her and didn't know it was her, even think she was dressing to offend. I think 'extreme' would be a better choice of words here, as she is always decently covered, always clean, and always polite unless someone starts off rude with her. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 22:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25750 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:18:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93KENP015937; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93KDSp007404; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93JESr007155 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.121.125.228]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5A00BXXH806O@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting In-reply-to: <20021109014426.87941.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021108190747.04ccd490@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:09:36 -0800 Status: RO I suggest you buy a commercial pattern that has multiple sizes, and see how they do it. It's not done just by adding the same amount of extra everywhere. Once you see how it is done, you will be better able to do it yourself. > How does everyone size up a pattern that is >several sizes too small? Some of the patterns I >bought years ago are single size reproductions of >original patterns and are as much as 10 inches to >small around the bust. Unfortunately the cut is >rather complicated so I can't just split the pattern >pieces horizontally and vertically and add inches that >way. I'm also working around a DD so I'm relatively >top-heavy. Do I size the pattern up to my general >size and then alter for the bust? One of the >Wisconsin Historical patterns suggests adding 1/8 inch >around each pattern piece for each size you want to go >up. Does that sound like a good idea? Suggestions >welcome. > Cassandra > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 22:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25757 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93KHNP015948; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93KGSp007430; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93JvSp007307 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.147.24aa6f2 (4196) for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:19:42 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <147.24aa6f2.2afdd8cd@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.24aa6f2.2afdd8cd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Subject: [h-cost] Re-sizing patterns the easy photocopy way! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:19:41 EST Status: RO --part1_147.24aa6f2.2afdd8cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 5:45:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > How does everyone size up a pattern that is > several sizes too small? Some of the patterns I > bought years ago are single size reproductions of > original patterns and are as much as 10 inches to > small around the bust. Unfortunately the cut is > rather complicated so I can't just split the pattern > pieces horizontally and vertically and add inches that > way. Without getting into grading patterns, it is very easy to enlarge patterns by photocopying them on zoom. And there is an easy method described to calculate the percentage of enlargement needed to achieve the desired size in a book I have on Traditional Designs for Hand Quilting by Keryn Emmerson. It is based upon the metric system which works great with the percentage of enlargement options on photocopiers. I'll type the instructions first then adapt them to show how to blow up a pattern to a particular bust size. "Changing a Size" Sometimes you will need to change the size of a design. This is easily done on a photocopier, but how do you arrive at the right size? Photocopies cost money, so do some calulating before you get there. I always work in millimeters when making calculations, because it's possible to take very accurate measurements, and the calculations are much simpler than using fractions of an inch." "Take an easy example: The design measures 75mm and you need it to be 150mm. Divide the desired measurement by the actual measurement to find the Scale Factor. 150/75=2 A photocopier increases and decreases by percentages; multiply the Scale Factor by 100 to find the percentage. A Scale Factor of 2 means you want to increase the size by 200%. A Scale Factor of .983 means you want to decrease the size by 98%. Often it's hard to remember formulae, but is is easy. There are only two numbers involved, and it's simiple to see if you've done the wrong thing. If you want the design to be larger, the Scale Factor should be larger than 1, and therefore the percentage will be greater than 100%. If the design is going to be smaller, the scale factor will be less than 1, and the percentage less than 100%." "If the photocipier will only enlarge to 200%, you will need to increase in two stages." (the next calculations are for a 217% enlargement) "First enlarge the original by 200%; then make another enlargement, this time using the copy. As it's already twice as big, you will only need to enlarge it by half the percentage above 200, so in this case, half of 17% is 8.5, which becomes 8 or 9." So, say you have a pattern with a bust size of 32 inches and it needs to be 36. Get a measuring tape with imperial on one side and metric on the other. Look at 32 inches and flip the tape over and read the metric equivalent which is 82 centimeters and add a zero to give you 820mm. You want the pattern to be 36 inches in the bust so look at 36 inches on the tape measure, flip it and you get 92 centimeters (approx) add a zero to give you 920mm. So the pattern measures 820mm and you need it to be 920mm. Divide the desired measure ment of 920 by actual pattern measurement of 820. This equals 1.12. multiply this number by 100 which equals 112. Now put the pattern in the copier and enlarge it to 112% and you will have your desired pattern size. Rgds, Lisa --part1_147.24aa6f2.2afdd8cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 5:45:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes:


How does everyone size up a pattern that is
several sizes too small?  Some of the patterns I
bought years ago are single size reproductions of
original patterns and are as much as 10 inches to
small around the bust.  Unfortunately the cut is
rather complicated so I can't just split the pattern
pieces horizontally and vertically and add inches that
way.


Without getting into grading patterns, it is very easy to enlarge patterns by photocopying them on zoom.  And there is an easy method described to calculate the percentage of enlargement needed to achieve the desired size in a book I have on Traditional Designs for Hand Quilting by Keryn Emmerson.  It is based upon the metric system which works great with the percentage of enlargement options on photocopiers.  I'll type the instructions first then adapt them to show how to blow up a pattern to a particular bust size.

"Changing a Size"

Sometimes you will need to change the size of a design.  This is easily done on a photocopier, but how do you arrive at the right size?  Photocopies cost money, so do some calulating before you get there.

I always work in millimeters when making calculations, because it's possible to take very accurate measurements, and the calculations are much simpler than using fractions of an inch."

"Take an easy example:  The design measures 75mm and you need it to be 150mm.  Divide the desired measurement by the actual measurement to find the Scale Factor.  150/75=2

A photocopier increases and decreases by percentages; multiply the Scale Factor by 100 to find the percentage.  A Scale Factor of 2 means you want to increase the size by 200%.  A Scale Factor of .983 means you want to decrease the size by 98%.

Often it's hard to remember formulae, but is is easy.  There are only two numbers involved, and it's simiple to see if you've done the wrong thing.  If you want the design to be larger, the Scale Factor should be larger than 1, and therefore the percentage will be greater than 100%.  If the design is going to be smaller, the scale factor will be less than 1, and the percentage less than 100%."

"If the photocipier will only enlarge to 200%, you will need to increase in two stages."  (the next calculations are for a 217% enlargement)  "First enlarge the original by 200%; then make another enlargement, this time using the copy.  As it's already twice as big, you will only need to enlarge it by half the percentage above 200, so in this case, half of 17% is 8.5, which becomes 8 or 9."

So, say you have a pattern with a bust size of  32 inches and it needs to be 36.  Get a measuring tape with imperial on one side and metric on the other.  Look at 32 inches and flip the tape over and read the metric equivalent which is 82 centimeters and add a zero to give you 820mm.  You want the pattern to be 36 inches in the bust so look at 36 inches on the tape measure, flip it and you get 92 centimeters (approx) add a zero to give you 920mm.  So the pattern measures 820mm and you need it to be 920mm.  Divide the desired measure ment of 920 by actual pattern measurement of 820.  This equals 1.12.  multiply this number by 100 which equals 112.  Now put the pattern in the copier and enlarge it to 112% and you will have your desired pattern size.

Rgds,

Lisa

 --part1_147.24aa6f2.2afdd8cd_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 22:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25871 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:41:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93h1NP016905; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93h0Sp012727; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93gdSp012624 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:42:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA09016 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211090404.UAA09016@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:04:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Lee M Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm crippled. > > Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been thumbing my > > nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When they quit > > getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part seriously. > > Why do you feel the need to offend anyone? I, for one, resent people > dressing for the express purpose of offending me. It's . . . offensive. I think you linked the two phrases a little more closely than I intended. I meant that I do my dress as suits my needs, and thppt! to anyone who wants to play stitch-counter around me. The "offending" part was an incident that happened recently where I had to explain to someone that there's a very small slide from being "sensitive" to the handicapped and being patronizing. An awful lot of people want to avoid certain subjects around you if you're crippled. At least they do here in Berkeley, CA. They don't seem to realize that avoiding subjects like "walking" or "dancing" when you're still the dance session organizer is outright _stupid_ as well as insulting. That's where the, "Yes, I'm crippled. Now get over it," comes in. > Which I thought was not a good thing to be. I understand people not wanting > to have to hide their braces or wheelchair or prosthetics, etc., that's just > plain common sense. And so is the urge to decorate or custom make such items > -- something we should see more of! But to take a "happy to offend you" > attitude with everyone, when only a minority of people are stupid or crass > enough to be offended by whatever someone else needs to stay > healthy/active/alive, is not productive for anyone. Nor would it be if the > majority of people were stupid or crass. Remember the flamefest--I mean discussion on here about people wearing glasses? There are certainly enough folks who think that authenticity is first and foremost in costuming and so what if you're seriously incapacitated if you conform to their ideal of what reinactment should be. Those people I'm quite happy to offend. As I said, when they give up vaccinations and antibiotics, I'll give up my glasses and braces. > And if people are nasty about other people's clothing not being authentic > because it has to accommodate special foundation garments, wheelchairs, > crutches, or anything of the type -- well, they have the wrong priorities, > don't they? So why worry about them? Because they pop up everywhere reinactment is done? Every group has one or two. I love to come across the music police at reinactments as well, because almost without exception 1) they aren't musicians and 2) they're often _wrong_. And if they get in my face, they'll get to find out why both those things make it inappropriate for them to walk around criticizing other people's work. I don't go out of my way looking for bozos, but I don't mind telling them exactly what I think if they decide to bother me either. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 22:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25884 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93k1NP017038; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93k1Sp013499; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA93j4Sp013288 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA09038 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211090406.UAA09038@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:06:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Stevie Gamble" wrote: > Gail wrote: > > Lee M Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, > I'm crippled. > > > Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been > thumbing my > > > nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When > they quit > > > getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part > seriously. > > > > Why do you feel the need to offend anyone? I, for one, resent people > > dressing for the express purpose of offending me. It's . . . > offensive. > > Actually, Lee never suggested that she felt the need to offend anyone, > much less that she dressed for the express purpose of offending > anyone. You have made an entirely unjustified inference from her > observations in a manner which I, for one, find ... offensive. Right. If I'm actively _trying_ to offend the stitch-counters, there's never any doubt about it. But I usually only wear _those_ costumes to events where I know people who have their heads stuck in certain orfices are going to be. Clan MacDude and some of my other really wrong creations were done for _my_ amusement. That it happens to drive certain people into a frenzy is just a side benefit. [grin] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 8 23:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25988 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:13:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA94F6NP018172; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA94F4Sp020952; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA94E1Sp020625 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB88CA2301B6; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:14:00 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB882F1A0144; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:13:38 -0500 Status: RO "A Fitting Time for Women." The setting is 1875-1900. The photography is outstanding. http://www.fittingtimeforwomen.com/html/index.html Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 00:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26191 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:04:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9562NP020332; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9561Sp002894; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA955WSp002738 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA969ZYv007643 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:09:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit References: <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 21:08:16 -0800 Status: RO If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose modern people in period clothing and historic sites? I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate view of how people behaved in natural settings? On the other hand, since there are already photos from the period available using of-the-period techniques, are we to view this as a purely art work view of that time period and not attach any guidelines of accuracy to it? On a related issue, SF Mod. Art Museum is running an exhibition of Lewis Carroll's approach to artsy, contrived-spontaneity staging of people in his life during the late 1800's. It will be interesting to see the parallels between his work and what this couple in "A Fitting Time..." is working towards. Penny, thanks for posting this site, it has much food for thought!! Theresa Eacker Penny Ladnier wrote: > "A Fitting Time for Women." The setting is 1875-1900. The photography is > outstanding. http://www.fittingtimeforwomen.com/html/index.html > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > http://www.onlinecostumeball.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 00:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26326 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA95m4NP022374; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA95m1Sp012539; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA95l7Sp012368 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m136.in-tch.com [216.166.191.136]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gA95VcT06723 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:31:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DCCA16A.4C8799A3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <20021108230906.74643.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:47:22 -0700 Status: RO Ooooh, burnout. Yes, indeedy. Suffering from it in a major way, as a matter of fact. And with about the same symptoms as you, Nicole....loving the costuming and the research and such, but wanting most of the rest of it to go to h...... This list, and one or two others, are what have been keeping me sane. I can talk costuming and clothing and such to my heart's content with people from all over the map, literally and historically, and it helps remind me why I like doing this reenactment stuff (SCA, in my case) in the first place. What's keeping me active at all is a change in my focus (one of the minor advantages of having such a wide time frame available in the SCA). I've learned, over the years, to get away from the faked, glittery stuff (fun, but not what I'm after), and start really thinking about clothing construction and all the wonderful little details....blaming it squarely on people on this list like Drea, and her Flemish outfits, or Robin, and her fitted gowns. I don't feel like I'm reinventing myself, so much as I am just finding out what fits better.... --sue, who needs to teach herself cardweaving so she can finish the edges of her sleeves for this competition next February...... N Kipar wrote: > > Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question if I > am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I > am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those thousands and > thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* > > Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues > while still loving one's costumes? > > Nicole > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 01:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26441 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:18:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA96J2NP023605; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA96J0Sp019113; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA96IqSp019080 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p7.directcon.net [206.170.184.106]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA96IhTF005515; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:18:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: <001c01c27935$1ecf87e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] Website Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:22:55 -0800 Status: RO My wonderful husband has just finished a complete re-vamp of my website, margospatterns.com. Take a look! Within the next week we will be adding several more sections, including his article on Photographing Costumes, and mine on Why I Am No Longer A Member of The Costume Police, as well as photos of the entries in the recent Iron Dress Competition. Thanks, Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 03:23:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09358 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:23:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98N5NP027604; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98N0Sp015153; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98MjSp015098 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-11.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.11] (may be forged)) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AMU65853; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:22:11 GMT Message-ID: <007701c287c9$bdd00ca0$0b7f4ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:26:45 -0000 Status: RO >Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question if I am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those thousands and thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues while still loving one's costumes? Oddly yes this year, do you think it is something in the English air ? I've had a sad re-enactment year, and am trying to reasses where I want to go with it , hence more role play for me as otherwise it is just dressing up in costume (my opinion for me other might not feel this way) and I'm dog tired of being told I have to be accurate for the public, who general doing know Roman from Romansque or Anglo saxon from Viking, ontop of all this I'm supposed to be pleased to do it despite not getting paid or expenses and I'm sent lectures by event organisers on how I must be polite, funnily enough I don't think I've ever been rude to anyone at a event unless they have been very very rude to me !! Sorry I'm ranting now. One of my best events was Teddy's coronation this year, so little pressure, one can see the benefits of the SCA type organisations ! Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 03:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20597 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98Z2NP027975; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98Z1Sp017404; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA98YeSp017304 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A89F7DB0280; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 02:34:39 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8A02FC80144; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 02:34:40 -0600 Message-ID: <012201c287ca$c5cec080$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:34:08 -0500 Status: RO Theresa, I guess the artist value of their photos won me. I love the set ups of the shots and some of the comparisons of light and shadow. I love photography as an artform. Getting the perfect shoot takes a good eye and talent. This couple got several wonderful shots. Sometimes getting the perfect shot is just dumb luck as my third son (computer major) proved to his girlfriend who is a photography major. In high school, his photo entry was the only one published in their school's literary magazine. Her entry wasn't published. She was so mad at him. This son has no talent with a camera. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 04:07:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19733 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:07:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9983NP029474; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9981Sp023974; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f72.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9979Sp023733 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:07:03 -0800 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:07:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2002 09:07:03.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EC5B330:01C287CF] Subject: [h-cost] kechers and tired of re-enacting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:07:03 +0000 Status: RO Hi Jean, kercht is another form of kercher, kerchef, kerchief, neckerchief, neckhandkerchief, it seems to be spelt differently in nearly all the probate, court rolls for the period 1600 -1700, either a folded square worn round the shoulders and pinned at front, or a shaped oval of fabric which fits more around the shoulders. Yes Nicole, I've not done any reenacting this year, I was even tired of doing the tower of London, but I've done masses of sewing, mainly for other people. I may do a couple of days at Christmas but on a very small scale. Are you getting fed up? regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 05:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14866 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:03:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9A46NP001214; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9A40Sp006617; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9A3YSp006527 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021109100333.GTJB27595.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:03:33 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment Message-ID: <3DCCDD70.19463.14865F5F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <007701c287c9$bdd00ca0$0b7f4ed5@pavilion> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:03:28 -0000 Status: RO On 9 Nov 2002 at 8:26, Melanie Wilson wrote: > Sorry I'm ranting now. One of my best events was Teddy's coronation > this year, so little pressure, one can see the benefits of the SCA > type organisations ! Well, if you want to try any more, just get in touch. Or email Teddy directly, of course. Not many of our dos are as big and posh as Coronation, but they're all relaxed, non-public, and so on. And Teddy's running the next one, so I'm sure he'd appreciate the support. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 06:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15335 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Bs5NP004330; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Bs0Sp026922; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9BrjSp026851 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:53:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-98-82.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.98.82]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AMP89008; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:51:36 GMT Message-ID: <002b01c287e7$42d44d40$52624ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3DCCDD70.19463.14865F5F@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:58:03 -0000 Status: RO >Or email Teddy directly, of course. Not many of our dos are as big and posh as Coronation, but they're all relaxed, non-public, and so on. I might well do that :) Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 08:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15659 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9DJ4NP006514; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9DJ1Sp012148; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9DI1Sp011970 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.96] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AVUu-0007Em-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:18:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c287f2$f0717d00$605f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] On line exhibition - Reforming Fashion, 1850-1914 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:21:40 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, There is a marvellous on-line exhibition 'Reforming Fashion, 1850-1914. Politics, Health, and Art' at: http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/artistic_dress.htm which has some lovely examples of Aesthetic Dress. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 11:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16373 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9GH3NP012956; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9GH0Sp018920; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9GGJSp018776 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:16:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5B00DN2H6CIY@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:15:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DCD3461.3060401@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:14:25 -0600 Status: RO Cassandra, When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, and is more accurate than the split and spread method. If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list together and send them all at once. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 11:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16548 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Ge4NP014084; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Ge0Sp024251; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9GdoSp024222 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.96] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AYeD-0006g2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:39:49 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c2880f$21ed9320$605f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Renaissance Court Herald Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:43:29 -0000 Status: RO Hi, For those of you who like late Victorian /Edwardian Renaissancs repros; one of several http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=978347804 best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 12:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16743 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9HA1NP015580; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9HA0Sp001239; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA9H9HSp001099 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14393 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 17:09:16 -0000 Received: from 208-27-190-21.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.21) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 17:09:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCD40E4.D0B21D54@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update References: <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:07:48 -0500 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote: > > My wonderful husband has just finished a complete re-vamp of my website, > margospatterns.com. Take a look! > > Within the next week we will be adding several more sections, including his > article on Photographing Costumes, and mine on Why I Am No Longer A Member > of The Costume Police, as well as photos of the entries in the recent Iron > Dress Competition. > > Thanks, > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" Margo when I try to access the new site this is the message I recieve. Forbidden You don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 12:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17308 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:47:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9HjLNP017116; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:45:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Hi0Sp009929; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9HhWSp009726 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:43:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9IlcYv010754 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:47:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCD49EA.9030204@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <20021108.215425.-380065.0.catpurson@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:46:18 -0800 Status: RO To Lalah- I literally jumped up immediately upon reading your note and submerged the skirt in a basin of water, especially when you mentioned not letting the stain dry. I want to thank you for the reminder and I do believe the stain is gone and the skirt pretty much looks good as new. I worried about the issue of sizing on the fabric, maybe altering its quality, but the taffeta still looks pretty crisp. Thanks again!!! Theresa Eacker Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > I don't know if the ladies in the olden days had shorter skirts > for rain or not, but please don't let the stain set in until you can use > your clothes line. Even if you have to hang it over the shower rod, you > should wash it as soon after it was wet as possible. It is best if you > can wash it before it ever dries but that is usually not possible. Just > get it soaking now so you might get the stain out. > > Lalah > Never give up, Never surrender > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 13:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17410 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:02:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9I31NP017967; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9I30Sp014387; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9I2CSp014152 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:02:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021109180207.IQOQ2199.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:02:07 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment Message-ID: <000001c287da$a36e99b0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007701c287c9$bdd00ca0$0b7f4ed5@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:27:37 -0500 Status: RO Oh gosh, I feel =SO= much better. All these months I thought it was only me, and I didn't want to say anything! It has nothing to do with "English air"! My disaffection started last winter and lasted until about 2 months ago. I just didn't want anything more to do with any of this, and I was about 3 seconds or one good argument away from putting everything on eBay and just quitting. It was a dark, dark time around here! So, before I went that far, I just stopped doing anything remotely history related. I live in an older house, so I started working on the remodel jobs that I've put off because all my time and money had been going to -The Hobby-. I read several really good fiction novels, not history at all. I refused to watch anything on TV, either regular or movies, that was based on history. I played a lot of games on my computer. I did anything at all that would not remind me of living history. Sometimes I didn't do anything at all, I just relaxed and slept a lot. I did not sew anything. The result of my 6 month hiatus is that I feel completely refreshed and ready to go at it again. This time however, I play to the level that /I'm/ comfortable with, and have learned not to let myself get overloaded or pulled in too many different directions by other people. I've learned to show up sometimes with just my basket on my arm and a stool to sit on, and let somebody else worry if all the gear and equipment made it on site or not, or is there food and water, or does the new person have a shirt to wear. If I still do these things, it's because I /want/ to, not because I'm feeling pressured to do it. That's a huge difference! My advice to those who are feeling fed up with living history is to find something else to do for a while that has _nothing at all_ to do with The Hobby. Paint a room, plan a garden, buy a dog or take a trip, anything that will get you out of this rut and into a new groove. Pax, Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Wilson Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:27 AM To: LIST H costume Subject: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment >Which brings me straight back to the very serious pondering ofthe question if I am going to jack in re-enactment or give it another year's chance. Right now I am for 'forget it all I really had it!' but then again, all those thousands And thousands of pounds of gear... *sigh* >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues while still loving one's costumes? Oddly yes this year, do you think it is something in the English air ? I've had a sad re-enactment year, and am trying to reasses where I want to go with it , hence more role play for me as otherwise it is just dressing up in costume (my opinion for me other might not feel this way) and I'm dog tired of being told I have to be accurate for the public, who general doing know Roman from Romansque or Anglo saxon from Viking, ontop of all this I'm supposed to be pleased to do it despite not getting paid or expenses and I'm sent lectures by event organisers on how I must be polite, funnily enough I don't think I've ever been rude to anyone at a event unless they have been very very rude to me !! Sorry I'm ranting now. One of my best events was Teddy's coronation this year, so little pressure, one can see the benefits of the SCA type organisations ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 13:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17518 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9IJ2NP018508; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9IJ1Sp018490; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9IIjSp018415 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.bd.2a1af8bb (4592) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:18:23 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.2a1af8bb.2afeab6f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:18:23 EST Status: RO --part1_bd.2a1af8bb.2afeab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have often run into situations and people in the course of living history that made me question why I was doing what I was doing. I started off in a really costume nazi group, and I must say I was glad it was like that, however, the woman who was in charge of costumes wanted to look better than everyone else so she often created rules based upon ulterior motives other han historical accuracy. This was a medieval group and many people dressed very gothic in real life and many women wanted to have black dresses so this woman created a rule, after she already had made her black dress mind you, that no more black dresses could be made because the group would look better (it was a performance troupe) if there were a wide variety of dress colours used and black wasn't a very common colour. Needless to say, us underlings grumbled for a year or so, but then.......she gained an enormous amount of weight and could no longer fit into her black dress and because she made the rule of no more black dresses, she could not make a new one!!!! Those are the funny things that also happen that make me continue. Have a break and enjoy your hobby again! Cheers, Lisa --part1_bd.2a1af8bb.2afeab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have often run into situations and people in the course of living history that made me question why I was doing what I was doing.  I started off in a really costume nazi group, and I must say I was glad it was like that, however, the woman who was in charge of costumes wanted to look better than everyone else so she often created rules based upon ulterior motives other han historical accuracy.  This was a medieval group and many people dressed very gothic in real life and many women wanted to have black dresses so this woman created a rule, after she already had made her black dress mind you, that no more black dresses could be made because the group would look better (it was a performance troupe) if there were a wide variety of dress colours used and black wasn't a very common colour.

Needless to say, us underlings grumbled for a year or so, but then.......she gained an enormous amount of weight and could no longer fit into her black dress and because she made the rule of no more black dresses, she could not make a new one!!!!

Those are the funny things that also happen that make me continue.

Have a break and enjoy your hobby again!

Cheers,

Lisa --part1_bd.2a1af8bb.2afeab6f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 15:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18460 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:25:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KO3NP024615; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KO1Sp017898; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f64.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KNwSp017860 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:23:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:23:53 -0800 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:23:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2002 20:23:53.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC690C0:01C2882D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:23:52 -0800 Status: RO Please send me one too. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will >scan it and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I >remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, and >is more accurate than the split and spread method. > >If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list together >and send them all at once. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 15:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18514 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:31:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KW2NP025030; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KW1Sp020106; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KVRSp019926 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.165.1648eb2c (3964) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:31:10 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10638 Subject: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:31:10 EST Status: RO --part1_165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received the sheet on what my son has to wear for the Christmas program. The play is set in the mid 1800's in Russia. The suggestions for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old hats, glasses, dark shoes or boots. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pattern for that? What type of fabric would you suggest also? This is not my area at all. Thanks. Oh, and they are only giving me less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal. Thanks for all the help. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received the sheet on what my son has to wear for the Christmas program.  The play is set in the mid 1800's in Russia.  The suggestions for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old hats, glasses, dark shoes or boots.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a pattern for that?  What type of fabric would you suggest also? 
This is not my area at all.  Thanks.  Oh, and they are only giving me less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal. 
Thanks for all the help.
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 16:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18691 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LD2NP026578; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LD1Sp029414; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (mail.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LCsSp029393 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:12:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [167.142.11.122] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 191503990 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 15:12:53 -0600 Message-ID: <04af01c28834$d4f81420$d7108ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04AC_01C28802.89EFC720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:13:20 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04AC_01C28802.89EFC720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received the sheet on what my son has to wear for the Christmas = program. The play is set in the mid 1800's in Russia. The suggestions = for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old hats, glasses, dark = shoes or boots. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pattern for = that? What type of fabric would you suggest also? =20 This is not my area at all. Thanks. Oh, and they are only giving me = less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal. =20 It sounds to me like the suggestions are intended to *prevent* you from = having to sew anything. Most parents don't sew, and it doesn't seem like = it's the kind of production that requires "period costuming"---just a = similarity of look to give a feel of a time "other than now". =20 If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye some jeans black. Have him = wear a button up dress shirt, and if you don't have anything at home = that would make a suitable jacket, go to Goodwill (or regional = substitute) and buy an old men's suit jacket. If you can find an old = felt hat you are done.=20 I don't believe this is a situation where period patterns and fabric are = required. Denise, with 2 kids always needing costumes for school stuff ------=_NextPart_000_04AC_01C28802.89EFC720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just received the sheet on what my son has to = wear for the=20 Christmas program.  The play is set in the mid 1800's in = Russia.  The=20 suggestions for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old hats, = glasses,=20 dark shoes or boots.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a = pattern for=20 that?  What type of fabric would you suggest also? 
This = is not my=20 area at all.  Thanks.  Oh, and they are only giving me less = then 2=20 weeks before dress rehearsal. 
 
It sounds to = me like the=20 suggestions are intended to *prevent* you from having to sew anything. = Most=20 parents don't sew, and it doesn't seem like it's the kind of production = that=20 requires "period costuming"---just a similarity of look to give a feel = of a time=20 "other than now". 
 
If your kid = doesn't have any=20 dark pants, dye some jeans black. Have him wear a button up dress shirt, = and if=20 you don't have anything at home that would make a suitable jacket, go to = Goodwill (or regional substitute) and buy an old men's suit jacket. If = you can=20 find an old felt hat you are done.
 
I don't = believe this is a=20 situation where period patterns and fabric are=20 required.
 
Denise, with 2 = kids always needing costumes for school=20 stuff
------=_NextPart_000_04AC_01C28802.89EFC720-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 16:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18704 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:14:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LF1NP026691; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LF0Sp000186; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:15:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9LEXSp029954 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:14:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:13:23 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AA732A22014E; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:13:23 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:13:22 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian Message-ID: <000001c28835$1f7ac920$0201a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28802.D4E05920" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:15:24 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28802.D4E05920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this a one-time performance? Sounds like you shouldn't put in too much effort. Here's my suggestion for a quick version of 1860 man's formal attire: Black wool trousers To be authentic, they would have a button fly, be a bit high in the waist, and have NO crease in the front. Wear with suspenders. White shirt Bow tie (white or black) Vest-white or brocade of some sort, fancy Only the front needs to be good, the back won't be seen under the coat Black wool coat, preferably a cutaway style Black leather shoes or boots Hat ONLY if play is set outdoors. Men do not wear hats indoors. Or, he could carry the hat inside. A derby or top hat would be fine. White gloves, black walking stick-if you have some, to look more formal You could find most of this in thrift stores, or make a simple version. Except the formal coat-that's toughter. You might consider a formal wear rental place. Remember, anything that doesn't show can be inauthentic. These patterns are good: Laughing Moon California Pants Ageless Patterns 1301 M, Men's Tail Coat, waist coat and trousers Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of M311@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian I just received the sheet on what my son has to wear for the Christmas program. The play is set in the mid 1800's in Russia. The suggestions for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old hats, glasses, dark shoes or boots. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pattern for that? What type of fabric would you suggest also? This is not my area at all. Thanks. Oh, and they are only giving me less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal. Thanks for all the help. Kelly m311@aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28802.D4E05920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: = h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of M311@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November = 09, 2002 2:31 PM
To: = h-costume@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] mid = 1800's Russian

 

I just received the sheet = on what my son has to wear for the Christmas program.  The play is set in the = mid 1800's in Russia.  The suggestions for his part are dark pants, = more formal attire, old hats, glasses, dark shoes or boots.  Does anyone = have a recommendation for a pattern for that?  What type of fabric would = you suggest also? 
This is not my area at all.  Thanks.  Oh, and they are only = giving me less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal. 
Thanks for all the help.
Kelly
m311@aol.com

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C28802.D4E05920-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 17:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19113 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:30:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9MV3NP029822; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9MV1Sp017380; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9MUWSp017232 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp171.directcon.net [206.170.184.171]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gA9MUPTF025066 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:30:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update In-Reply-To: <3DCD40E4.D0B21D54@inetone.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:34:35 -0800 Status: RO Hi, this is Wayne, Margo's husband. You wrote: >Margo when I try to access the new site this is the message I recieve. > >Forbidden > >You don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server. > >Diana Diana, what URL are you using? When I go to http://www.margospatterns.com, it works fine from here. Are you perhaps using an old bookmark? Because I took the old web pages down when I put up the new site -- necessary, because some of the pages have the same names. Try using the URL above, and let me know if you still have problems. Wayne "One Tough Webmaster?" "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 18:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19378 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:17:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NI2NP001881; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NI0Sp027689; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NH1Sp027484 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.71] (as3-4-85.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.71]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA9NGx700057 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:17:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04af01c28834$d4f81420$d7108ea7@hppav> References: <165.1648eb2c.2afeca8e@aol.com> <04af01c28834$d4f81420$d7108ea7@hppav> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gA9NH1Sp027484 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:00:53 -0800 Status: RO At 3:13 PM -0600 11/9/02, Land of Oz wrote: >I just received the sheet on what my son has to wear for the >Christmas program. The play is set in the mid 1800's in Russia. >The suggestions for his part are dark pants, more formal attire, old >hats, glasses, dark shoes or boots. Does anyone have a >recommendation for a pattern for that? What type of fabric would >you suggest also?  >This is not my area at all. Thanks. Oh, and they are only giving >me less then 2 weeks before dress rehearsal.  > > >It sounds to me like the suggestions are intended to *prevent* you >from having to sew anything. Most parents don't sew, and it doesn't >seem like it's the kind of production that requires "period >costuming"---just a similarity of look to give a feel of a time >"other than now". > >If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye some jeans black. Have >him wear a button up dress shirt, and if you don't have anything at >home that would make a suitable jacket, go to Goodwill (or regional >substitute) and buy an old men's suit jacket. If you can find an old >felt hat you are done. > I agree -- it sounds to me like they're aiming for an old-fashioned "look" that can be put together from existing garments, not asking for serious historic costuming. (I still remember the time in grade school when I had a minor bit-part in a medievaloid play and what my mother and I "threw together" as a medieval dress turned out to be embarrassingly more historic than anything even the leads were wearing ... but by the time I found this out, it was too late to tone it down.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 18:17:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19384 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:17:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NIENP001889; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NIDSp027752; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NH3Sp027497 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.71] (as3-4-85.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.71]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA9NH2700119 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:17:02 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:12:43 -0800 Status: RO At 2:34 PM -0800 11/9/02, Margo Anderson wrote: >Hi, this is Wayne, Margo's husband. > >You wrote: > >>Margo when I try to access the new site this is the message I recieve. >> >>Forbidden >> >>You don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server. >> >>Diana > >Diana, what URL are you using? When I go to http://www.margospatterns.com, >it works fine from here. Are you perhaps using an old bookmark? Because I >took the old web pages down when I put up the new site -- necessary, >because some of the pages have the same names. > >Try using the URL above, and let me know if you still have problems. I cut and pasted the url you give above, got the opening page (about whether you want the high or low resolution version), then when it automatically sent me to the frames version, I get the menu display on the left (but with no active links) an in the main display frame "Forbidden you don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server". If I click on the low-resolution link from the opening screen, I get nothing at all. (I'm using Netscape with JavaScript enabled, if it matters.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 18:58:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20331 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Nx4NP003570; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Nx2Sp006925; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9NwRSp006761 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:58:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.115.1a59ed5a (4116) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:58:15 EST Status: RO --part1_115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 4:13:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: > If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye some jeans black. Don't do that! What a pain! Go to Good Will or the Salvation Army store and buy him some used pants. --part1_115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 4:13:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes:


If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye some jeans black.


Don't do that! What a pain! Go to Good Will or the Salvation Army store and buy him some used pants. --part1_115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 19:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20407 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0B3NP004169; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0B2Sp009671; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0AwSp009651 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp171.directcon.net [206.170.184.171]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAA08YTF009101 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:08:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021109161245.00ecbd20@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:12:45 -0800 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: >I cut and pasted the url you give above, got the opening page (about >whether you want the high or low resolution version), then when it >automatically sent me to the frames version, I get the menu display >on the left (but with no active links) an in the main display frame >"Forbidden you don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js >on this server". If I click on the low-resolution link from the >opening screen, I get nothing at all. (I'm using Netscape with >JavaScript enabled, if it matters.) > >Heather Thanks -- even though that's not what I wanted to hear. I can see I'll have to do a bit more digging on this... I hope to have it worked out soon. Wayne "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 19:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20411 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:11:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0C0NP004212; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0C0Sp009928; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA0BaSp009799 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.74.260f8ceb (4116) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <74.260f8ceb.2afefdec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.260f8ceb.2afefdec_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:10:20 EST Status: RO --part1_74.260f8ceb.2afefdec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/9/2002 4:15:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kbaird@cableone.net writes: Very Good! Please allow me [who has done this A LOT] to elaborate.... > Black wool trousers [Good Will] > To be authentic, they would have a button fly, be a bit high i= n=20 > the waist, [you can undo the seam, if there is one, in the back of the=20 > waistband and it will ride up a little like the real thing] and have NO=20 > crease in the front.[ NO crease in the front....just wanted to restate tha= t > ] Wear with suspenders. [Pref. button ones] > White shirt > Bow tie (white or black) [or if it's earlier, like 1840, flip the collar u= p=20 > and take a piece of silk [or fancy fabric] about 8" to 10" wide and 45"=20 > long and wrap it around his neck....start with the middle of the piece in=20 > the front and wrap around in both directions, maybe more than once, and ti= e=20 > in a bow or square knot at front] > Vest=E2=80=94white or brocade of some sort, fancy [Check out formal wear r= entals.=20 > NO CUMBERBUNS] > Only the front needs to be good, the back won=E2=80=99t be see= n under=20 > the coat > Black wool coat, preferably a cutaway style [Formal wear rentals again] > Black leather shoes or boots > Hat ONLY if play is set outdoors. Men do not wear hats indoors. Or, he=20 > could carry [Halloween just past....you may be able to find a good cheep=20 > top hat] Have fun! --part1_74.260f8ceb.2afefdec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/9/2002 4:15:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, kbaird@cable= one.net writes:


Very Good! Please allow me [who has done this A LOT] to elaborate....

Black wool trou= sers [Good Will]
          = ; To be authentic, they would have a button fly, be a bit high in the w= aist, [you can undo the seam, if there is one, in the back of the waistba= nd and it will ride up a little like the real thing] and have NO crease=20= in the front.[ NO crease in the front....just wanted to restate that]= Wear with suspenders. [Pref. button ones]
White shirt
Bow tie (white or black) [or if it's earlier, like 1840, flip the col= lar up and take a piece of silk [or fancy fabric] about 8" to 10" wide and 4= 5" long and wrap it around his neck....start with the middle of the piece in= the front and wrap around in both directions, maybe more than once, and tie= in a bow or square knot at front]
Vest=E2=80=94white or brocade of s= ome sort, fancy [Check out formal wear rentals. NO CUMBERBUNS]
           Only=20= the front needs to be good, the back won=E2=80=99t be seen under the coatBlack wool coat, preferably a cutaway style [Formal wear rentals again]<= /I>
Black leather shoes or boots
Hat ONLY if play is set outdoors. Men do not wear hats indoors. Or, he c= ould carry [Halloween just past....you may be able to find a good cheep t= op hat]



Have fun!



--part1_74.260f8ceb.2afefdec_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 20:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20641 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1L2NP007202; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1L0Sp025818; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1KMSp025649 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.d6.1f196245 (3972) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:20:11 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.1f196245.2aff0e4b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10638 Subject: [h-cost] Re: mid 1800's Russian male Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:20:11 EST Status: RO --part1_d6.1f196245.2aff0e4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 5:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I don't believe this is a situation where period patterns They all know I sew and don't mind if I use a period costume. I want a period costume, or as close as I can get. Last year I did a great Abe Lincoln for him. The cut was period even if all the materials weren't. If I don't come up with something looking period the custome mother will find his stuff to wear. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_d6.1f196245.2aff0e4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 5:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


I don't believe this is a situation where period patterns


They all know I sew and don't mind if I use a period costume.  I want a period costume, or as close as I can get.  Last year I did a great Abe Lincoln for him.  The cut was period even if all the materials weren't.  If I don't come up with something looking period the custome mother will find his stuff to wear. 
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_d6.1f196245.2aff0e4b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 20:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20729 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1f2NP008201; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1f0Sp000365; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA1e4Sp029995 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.94.181.20]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20021110013957.OQVX24110.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:39:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3DCDB8CC.C42E5DED@worldnet.att.net> From: Justine Magill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update References: <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109161245.00ecbd20@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:39:24 -0500 Status: RO I also have netscape, and had the same problem. I pressed on the links, nothing happened. I then hit back on my browser, and the site came up. From there, everything worked. It was strange! Jenne Margo Anderson wrote: > > Thanks -- even though that's not what I wanted to hear. > > I can see I'll have to do a bit more digging on this... I hope to have it > worked out soon. > > Wayne > "One Tough Costumer" > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 21:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20844 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:11:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA2C2NP009640; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA2C1Sp007005; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA2B2Sp006766 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from fenris.net ([12.246.83.124]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021110021057.ESA25908.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@fenris.net> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:10:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3DCDC0C7.4080004@fenris.net> From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011221 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update References: <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021108222255.00ebe670@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109143435.00ec9ec0@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20021109161245.00ecbd20@pop.directcon.net> <3DCDB8CC.C42E5DED@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:13:27 -0800 Status: RO I'm using Mozilla, a pre-release version yet, and worked OK for me. liz Justine Magill wrote: >I also have netscape, and had the same problem. I pressed on the links, >nothing happened. I then hit back on my browser, and the site came up. From >there, everything worked. It was strange! > >Jenne > >Margo Anderson wrote: > >>Thanks -- even though that's not what I wanted to hear. >> >>I can see I'll have to do a bit more digging on this... I hope to have it >>worked out soon. >> >>Wayne >>"One Tough Costumer" >> >>See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 22:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21278 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3J7NP012512; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3J1Sp020311; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3IsSp020271 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:18:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id TAA13240 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211100340.TAA13240@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Website Update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:40:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Hi, this is Wayne, Margo's husband. > > You wrote: > > >Margo when I try to access the new site this is the message I recieve. > > > >Forbidden > > > >You don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server. > > > >Diana > Diana, what URL are you using? When I go to http://www.margospatterns.com, > it works fine from here. Are you perhaps using an old bookmark? Because I > took the old web pages down when I put up the new site -- necessary, > because some of the pages have the same names. > > Try using the URL above, and let me know if you still have problems. I've seen that error happen before if the browser chokes on your JavaScript code. Older versions of Netscape are more prone to it (but suprisingly, my old version doesn't, so that's not it this time). My version of IE has an odd problem that I've also seen before. The menu in your side frame doesn't have a scrollbar. This is bad, because not everyone has the same size screen. The last few entries are simply inaccessable if you can't make the window large enough. That and the tiny fontsize problem usually both show up when someone has a large monitor that they're working on. It doesn't occur to the developer that some of the rest of us still use smaller screens. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 22:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21303 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3S2NP012842; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3S0Sp021995; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (mail.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3RNSp021883 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [167.142.11.122] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 191678808 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:27:22 -0600 Message-ID: <061201c28869$1d669180$d7108ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <115.1a59ed5a.2afefb17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_060F_01C28836.D25FCB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:27:35 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C28836.D25FCB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye some jeans black.=20 Don't do that! What a pain! Go to Good Will or the Salvation Army = store and buy him some used pants.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I dye lots of things at home and don't find it to be a pain at all. I = wouldn't recommend a course of action if I thought it was "a pain" or = inappropriate in other ways.=20 For me, dyeing something is preferable to a 45 minute drive by = interstate highway to the nearest Goodwill store.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C28836.D25FCB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If your kid doesn't have any dark pants, dye = some jeans=20 black.
Don't do that! What a pain! Go to Good Will or = the=20 Salvation Army store and buy him some used pants.=20
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I dye lots of things at home and don't find it = to be a=20 pain at all. I wouldn't recommend a course of action if I thought it was = "a=20 pain" or inappropriate in other ways.
 
For me, dyeing something is preferable to a = 45 minute=20 drive by interstate highway to the nearest Goodwill store.=20
------=_NextPart_000_060F_01C28836.D25FCB20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 9 23:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21590 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:41:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA4g3NP016216; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA4g1Sp007785; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA4f3Sp007575 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from LSinervo@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.11e.198657d2 (17228) for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:40:49 -0500 (EST) From: LSinervo@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.198657d2.2aff3d50@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11e.198657d2.2aff3d50_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10629 Subject: [h-cost] The Romance of French Weaving Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:40:48 EST Status: RO --part1_11e.198657d2.2aff3d50_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just come across a delightful book called "The Romance of French Weaving" by Paul Rodier published in 1936, copyright 1931, last checked out from the college library in 1986. It is a narrative of the history of French weaving and the growth of the textile industry in general set amongst a picturesque landscape with the royal families of Europe being woven through the story. It is sort of like a Danielle Steel book without the sex, only merchant's scandals. Is any one familiar with it to know how accurate the facts are? Has anyone ever come across this before? Lisa --part1_11e.198657d2.2aff3d50_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just come across a delightful book called "The Romance of French Weaving" by Paul Rodier published in 1936, copyright 1931, last checked out from the college library in 1986.  It is a narrative of the history of French weaving and the growth of the textile industry in general set amongst a picturesque landscape with the royal families of Europe being woven through the story.  It is sort of like a Danielle Steel book without the sex, only merchant's scandals.  Is any one familiar with it to know how accurate the facts are?  Has anyone ever come across this before?

Lisa

 --part1_11e.198657d2.2aff3d50_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 00:01:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21692 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:01:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA523NP016842; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA521Sp011910; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA516Sp011675 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p16.directcon.net [206.170.184.115]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAA50iTF019538 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:00:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021109210454.00ecfbd0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Margo's Patterns Website Update In-Reply-To: <200211100340.TAA13240@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:04:54 -0800 Status: RO OK, this is Wayne again, doing triage on the new "Margo's Patterns" website. My sincere thanks to Lee, Diana, Heather, and others giving me feedback on the site. It looks like some people are having some trouble accessing it at all, and others are having some other glitches. There is no scrolling on the navbar on the left because I set the frame properties to NOSCROLL. I figured the extra width (and ugliness) of a scroll bar would be unwelcome, and people with screen resolutions bigger than 1024 x 768 could see the whole thing anyway -- that's the display setting on the computer I used to develop this website. If a lot of people think this would be better with a scroll bar enabled there, I'll put it in. For now, I need to know a little more: How many people are having trouble accessing the website? And are they getting "You don't have permission" messages like Diana, or are there other error messages as well? (That seems to be a problem between her browser and the Java script for the counter. Since the counter doesn't seem to be working anyway, I think I'll take it out until I find another.) Is the whole website (except the counter) working for anybody? Please reply directly to Margo@Margospatterns.com, rather than to the h-costume list. Thanks for your help; it's appreciated. Wayne > >> Hi, this is Wayne, Margo's husband. >> >> You wrote: >> >> >Margo when I try to access the new site this is the message I recieve. >> > >> >Forbidden >> > >> >You don't have permission to access /m/margoanderson.js on this server. >> > >> >Diana >> Diana, what URL are you using? When I go to http://www.margospatterns.com, >> it works fine from here. Are you perhaps using an old bookmark? Because I >> took the old web pages down when I put up the new site -- necessary, >> because some of the pages have the same names. >> >> Try using the URL above, and let me know if you still have problems. > >I've seen that error happen before if the browser chokes on your JavaScript >code. Older versions of Netscape are more prone to it (but suprisingly, >my old version doesn't, so that's not it this time). My version of IE has >an odd problem that I've also seen before. The menu in your side frame >doesn't have a scrollbar. This is bad, because not everyone has the same >size screen. The last few entries are simply inaccessable if you can't make >the window large enough. That and the tiny fontsize problem usually both >show up when someone has a large monitor that they're working on. It doesn't >occur to the developer that some of the rest of us still use smaller screens. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 >Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris >Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. >"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 06:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23242 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:40:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAABf6NP007363; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAABf1Sp025116; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6GLPBh019461 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17267 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:21:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003401c285b0$a640d440$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2857E.5B7BAAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] New historic patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:22:06 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2857E.5B7BAAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simplicity and Butterick Holiday pattern catalogs arrived at my JoAnn's = Fabrics and Crafts store. Simplicity has a new trio of patterns from = "The Fashion Historian" series by Martha McCain. #5724 is a Civil = War-era ball gown. #5726 is the coordinating shift, corset, and = hoopskirt. #5740 is headwear to coordinate with McCain's previous Civil = War era patterns. =20 Butterrick has a ladies Revolutionary War era pattern, gown, caraco, and = petticoat. In cut, it appears more modern interpretation of the real = thing, but there is some boning in the bodices. =20 Once they go on sale $1.99 or $.99, the Buttericks especially might be = worth it to those that can take a modern pattern that fits and recut it = to the correct historic lines(I do this for dolls all the time, so that = method in dolly sizes works for me) Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE: 402.280.5144 FAX: 402.280.5134 brujne@creighton.edu 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE:402-280-5144 FAX: 402-280-5134 brujne@creighton.edu Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2857E.5B7BAAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Simplicity and Butterick Holiday pattern catalogs = arrived at=20 my JoAnn's Fabrics and Crafts store.  Simplicity has a new trio of = patterns=20 from "The Fashion Historian" series by Martha McCain. #5724 is a Civil = War-era=20 ball gown. #5726 is the coordinating shift, corset, and hoopskirt.  = #5740=20 is headwear to coordinate with McCain's previous Civil War era = patterns. =20
 
Butterrick has a ladies Revolutionary War era = pattern, gown,=20 caraco, and petticoat. In cut, it appears more modern interpretation of = the real=20 thing, but there is some boning in the bodices. 
 
Once they go on sale $1.99 or $.99, the Buttericks = especially=20 might be worth it to those that can take a modern pattern that fits and = recut it=20 to the correct historic lines(I do this for dolls all the time, so that = method=20 in dolly sizes works for me)
Cindy Abel
ILL Coordinator
Health Sciences=20 Library
Creighton University
1912 CALIFORNIA ST
OMAHA NE=20 68178-0210
VOICE: 402.280.5144
FAX: 402.280.5134
brujne@creighton.edu
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C2857E.5B7BAAC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 06:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23249 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAABfpNP007386; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:41:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAABfpSp025276; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:41:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from dci.doncaster.on.ca (dci.doncaster.on.ca [66.11.168.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9CtmSp008129 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by dci.doncaster.on.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gA9Cu1kO013689 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:56:01 -0500 Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18AV9P-0002Vx-00 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 07:55:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit In-Reply-To: <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> References: <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:55:47 -0500 Status: RO Theresa wrote: > If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose > modern people in period clothing and historic sites? > > I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people > themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived > spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, > the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate > view of how people behaved in natural settings? Hrm, yeah, I agree that the people look modern. I find myself thinking "what is it that makes them look modern?" and seeing how I can apply it to my own costume-related activities. The things that stand out for me, are the childrens' hairstyles, the way people are standing/sitting with what looks like the wrong posture, and the fact that the photographs are sepia-toned and meant to look old-fashioned and yet they catch people in moments that would have looked like a blur using 19th century photography techniques. I thought that people sitting for photographs at that time had to stand totally still for quite a long time for the long exposures? K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 07:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23398 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACn2NP009250; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACn1Sp007157; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACmMSp007092 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 03C614806C9 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:48:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c288b7$d34b5f00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20021109210454.00ecfbd0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Margo's Patterns Website Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:51:01 +0100 Status: RO Hi Margo, Your new website worked fine for me. May i congratulate you with it, it looks great! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 07:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23434 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:57:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACw2NP009473; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACw1Sp008469; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAACvoSp008432 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 17832480AC3 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:57:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c288b9$26a17d00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <002301c287f2$f0717d00$605f22d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] On line exhibition - Reforming Fashion, 1850-1914 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:00:31 +0100 Status: RO http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/trouble_with_fashion.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" Dear Stevie. The costumes are wonderfull. Take a look at this corset, (Url) above black satin corset. It is incredible, oh my how they must have suffered! The reproduktion bustle on the bottom is well made, but it is a pitty, they made it two narrow! They did not get the right proportions, this is a pitty, because they made a great job! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 08:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23736 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAADg2NP010662; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAADg0Sp015540; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAADflSp015488 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f59.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ED9A25EE886 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:41:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] dress diary updated Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:44:31 +0100 Status: RO Hi there, For those of you who would like to follow my dress diary, it has ben updated: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/robealafrancaise.htm I tryed to use the blitz on my digital camera. but the embroidery got much two bright, still you can se how it looks, even if it is rather dull weather here in Denmark. Many greetings Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 09:03:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23902 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE41NP011264; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE40Sp019431; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE3RSp019303 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:03:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a29.in-tch.com [66.62.107.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAADluT25745 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:47:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DCE673F.C74EC0BA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated References: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:03:43 -0700 Status: RO Oh, my, Bjarne....beautiful as always! Do you use a hoop or frame to hold the fabric while you're doing the embroidery? Did you end up having enough green thread? How many hours does it take you to _do_ all that? I'm not nearly as fast as you are...my bits get done 10 mins. here, 15 mins. there, etc., although I try to dedicate an hour or two a night to it... Also, it's dull and dreary weather here in Montana, too, and as we're, what, 8000 miles apart? I rather think maybe it's because it's November? and not because you're in Denmark, per se? Besides, that embroidery would brighten up any winter day..... --Sue, taking a break from her blackwork Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi there, > For those of you who would like to follow my dress diary, it has ben > updated: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/robealafrancaise.htm > I tryed to use the blitz on my digital camera. but the embroidery got much > two bright, still you can se how it looks, even if it is rather dull weather > here in Denmark. > > Many greetings > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 09:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23906 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE4MNP011289; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:04:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE4LSp019529; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAE3wSp019410 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.218] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Asgv-000054-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:03:57 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c288c2$86c3b140$da0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <002301c287f2$f0717d00$605f22d9@dan> <001b01c288b9$26a17d00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] On line exhibition - Reforming Fashion, 1850-1914 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:07:38 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/trouble_with_fashion.htm > > The costumes are wonderfull. Take a look at this corset, (Url) above black > satin corset. It is incredible, oh my how they must have suffered! I'm glad you liked the costumes, but as for the corset, Ouch! I walked over to the Museum of London yesterday to see if I could get some ideas for my Georgian ball-gown, and had another look at the Victorian acrobat's corset whilst I was there. Not only did she corset down to a tiny waist but also performed on the high-wire and trapeze in it. Ouch! I say again. > The reproduktion bustle on the bottom is well made, but it is a pitty, they > made it two narrow! They did not get the right proportions, this is a pitty, > because they made a great job! I have no intention of ever wearing a bustle, but I should be interested to know how you calculate the width of it for it. Does the heigjht of the person make a difference? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 09:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24075 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAEdKNP012333; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:39:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAEdISp026895; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAEcwSp026820 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:38:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.218] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AtEn-0000ye-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:38:57 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c288c7$6a3f54c0$da0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:42:37 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > For those of you who would like to follow my dress diary, it has ben > updated: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/robealafrancaise.htm This is very lovely work, Bjarne. The colour painting http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/savoy.htm shows what look like pearls swagged on the panels. Is that so, and were pearls still worn towards the end of the century? I enquire because I have mumble kilos of freshwater pearls originally intended for Elizabethan. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 10:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24267 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:26:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFP3NP013849; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFP1Sp005964; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFOgSp005872 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.25.30a1effc (4402) for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <25.30a1effc.2affd42e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mid 1800's Russian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.30a1effc.2affd42e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:24:30 EST Status: RO --part1_25.30a1effc.2affd42e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 10:28:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: > I dye lots of things at home and don't find it to be a pain at all. I > wouldn't recommend a course of action if I thought it was "a pain" or > inappropriate in other ways. > > For me, dyeing something is preferable to a 45 minute drive by interstate > highway to the nearest Goodwill store. > Ahhhhh...Good Will is just down the street from me. And I have a small kitchen so dying is definitely a pain...for me. The infinitely subtle dynamics of costuming..... --part1_25.30a1effc.2affd42e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/2002 10:28:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes:


I dye lots of things at home and don't find it to be a pain at all. I wouldn't recommend a course of action if I thought it was "a pain" or inappropriate in other ways.

For me, dyeing something is preferable to a 45 minute drive by interstate highway to the nearest Goodwill store.


Ahhhhh...Good Will is just down the street from me. And I have a small kitchen so dying is definitely a pain...for me.

The infinitely subtle dynamics of costuming..... --part1_25.30a1effc.2affd42e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 10:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24337 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFZ2NP014246; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFZ1Sp007836; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFYUSp007735 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.164]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A63462644F7 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:34:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c288cf$0c410230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003e01c288c7$6a3f54c0$da0823d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:37:16 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. I have thoaght much of this decoration on the dress. I am not sure if this is pearls or it is embroidered to look like pearls. But it stands out as if it is real pearls. I have seen embroidery where it was embroidered pearls with shadow and everything, to give the impression, as if it was real pearls. How much would it weight with sead pearls? Dont you think it would be two heavy? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated > Bjarne wrote: > > > For those of you who would like to follow my dress diary, it has ben > > updated: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/robealafrancaise.htm > > This is very lovely work, Bjarne. The colour painting > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/savoy.htm shows what look like pearls > swagged on the panels. Is that so, and were pearls still worn towards > the end of the century? I enquire because I have mumble kilos of > freshwater pearls originally intended for Elizabethan. > > best wishes > Stevie > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 10:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28445 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:54:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFt5NP015070; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFt1Sp011990; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFsQSp011849 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.218] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18AuPp-0007j5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:54:25 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c288d1$f5687040$da0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <003e01c288c7$6a3f54c0$da0823d9@dan> <000b01c288cf$0c410230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:57:56 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote, about : http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/savoy.htm > I have thoaght much of this decoration on the dress. I am not sure if this > is pearls or it is embroidered to look like pearls. But it stands out as if > it is real pearls. Yes, that was my thought. > I have seen embroidery where it was embroidered pearls with shadow and > everything, to give the impression, as if it was real pearls. > How much would it weight with sead pearls? > Dont you think it would be two heavy? The scale of these pearls is much too big for seed pearls, but if you want to do a rough calculation of how many of those swags there are on the dress I can try weighing some for you. My pearls are loose strung, so it's not a major job:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 10:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28463 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFx0NP015206; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFx0Sp012943; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAFw1Sp012747 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.164]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B258F48014D for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:57:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c288d2$547700b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000d01c288bf$4c14ae30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DCE673F.C74EC0BA@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:00:45 +0100 Status: RO Hello Sue. I use a large frame. I baught one from Barnyarns in York. It is called a roller tilt frame. I can sit comfortable in my favourite sofa and push the frame to a comfortable angle. Then i have all my threads and sissors to my right and i am very difficult to move away from this :-) I do spend a lot of time with it. Having a hard fysical work, it is very relaxing for me to sit with the embroidery. I take care of old people, old senile people so it is both fysically and mentally very hard sometimes. I rarely go out to dine or to drink coffe, neither do i go to the cinemas. I do go to the opera 3-4 times in a winter season, but most nights i stay home and work with my hobby. It is wonderfull to relax this way, and i can follow the television or listen to all my classical music cd's You must realise that i dont have pets and children to take care of, so i have a lot of sparetime for myself. It is me who goes shopping and makes the dinner every day, but this is the only duty i have. The rest of time is mine alone! Yes it is the november weather and light, very depressing. They have already broaght some christmas catalogs to the doors. Apropos the thread, no there was some days i missed the green, but i have had it. I really regreats that i did not use this Eterna thread for my embroidered suit. If i had used this, i would have finished it much quicker. When i look at this thread i used for it from Pipers, i cant keeping say to myself that it was really really chrasy of me to use such a thin thread. No wonder it took me so long time to make it. Still, we all grow wiser for each day, dont we :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated > Oh, my, Bjarne....beautiful as always! > Do you use a hoop or frame to hold the fabric while you're doing the > embroidery? Did you end up having enough green thread? How many hours > does it take you to _do_ all that? I'm not nearly as fast as you > are...my bits get done 10 mins. here, 15 mins. there, etc., although I > try to dedicate an hour or two a night to it... > Also, it's dull and dreary weather here in Montana, too, and as we're, > what, 8000 miles apart? I rather think maybe it's because it's > November? and not because you're in Denmark, per se? > Besides, that embroidery would brighten up any winter day..... > --Sue, taking a break from her blackwork > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > For those of you who would like to follow my dress diary, it has ben > > updated: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/robealafrancaise.htm > > I tryed to use the blitz on my digital camera. but the embroidery got much > > two bright, still you can se how it looks, even if it is rather dull weather > > here in Denmark. > > > > Many greetings > > > > Bjarne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 11:01:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28489 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:01:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAG22NP015338; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAG21Sp013577; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAG1WSp013463 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.164]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 556AD480472 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:01:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c288d2$d404cfb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] dress diary updated Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:04:19 +0100 Status: RO The scale of these pearls is much too big for seed pearls, but if you want to do a rough calculation of how many of those swags there are on the dress I can try weighing some for you. My pearls are loose strung, so it's not a major job:-) Sorry Stewie I didnt mean seed pearls, but fresh water pearls. No i dont want you to calculate, i only wondered generally if it would not be two heavy for the skirts. What do you think? Bjarne best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 11:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28619 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGV2NP016408; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGV1Sp019478; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGUZSp019408 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:30:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.218] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Auyo-0003yP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: <005901c288d7$0213e680$da0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <000f01c288d2$d404cfb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:34:10 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > I didnt mean seed pearls, but fresh water pearls. > No i dont want you to calculate, i only wondered generally if it would not > be two heavy for the skirts. > What do you think? I think that if the original skirt would had pearls on it then it would be good to use them on a modern reproduction; your exquisite workmanship deserves pearls:-) Pearls are heavy, but so is metal and that was used extensively also. I assume that the silk fabric would have been interlined for strength, and that the embroidery would have been onto panels perhaps of some stronger material? I have made metal trim of mumble kilos, also, which I thought I might be able to use on late 18th-early 19th. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 11:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28664 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGn2NP017064; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGn1Sp023386; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAGmGSp023168 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:48:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021110164811.MOWN1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:48:11 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: , , , , , <75years@yahoogroups.com>, Message-ID: <000001c288d4$1dadd110$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Yahoo's at it again Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:13:32 -0500 Status: RO Please forgive the crossposting, but I wanted to let everyone know that Yahoo is up to their old dirty tricks again. If you don't want to be tracked all over cyberspace, take a look at this page: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html There is an opt out button included, but you will have to do it on each computer and browser that you use. I realize that not all lists are Yahoo lists, but most of us are on at least one of them. Remember to check your personal preferences page occasionally as well. Yahoo sometimes takes the liberty of clicking all the "send me crap" boxes without our knowledge or permission. Pax, Linda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 12:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29036 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAHZ4NP018883; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAHZ1Sp003597; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAHYsSp003551 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:34:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-218.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.218] helo=dan) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Avz0-0000ZW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:34:50 +0000 Message-ID: <007101c288df$fc31c580$da0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?Q?robe_retrouss=E8e_dans_les_poches?= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:38:29 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I've been looking at an example of this on the Kyoto Costume Institute: http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html it's the featured gown on the 1780's digital archive in white and red pekin striped silk. Can anyone point me to more information, and more pictures of this type of gown? Many thanks and best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 13:34:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29527 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIXENP021389; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:33:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIX1Sp015980; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIWqSp015950 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:32:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.175] (pm5-175.eos.net [205.133.149.175]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18589 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021109190010.28378.43053.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: fashion braces Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:30:25 -0500 Status: RO Lee: I guess I took your words too literally, always a danger with email. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 13:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29556 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIe2NP021759; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIe1Sp017569; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIcxSp017313 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp195.directcon.net [209.76.47.195]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAAIcQTF027877 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:38:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021110104234.00c66250@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: <25.30a1effc.2affd42e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: Website corrections Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:42:34 -0800 Status: RO Hi, everybody, it's Wayne again. First, my thanks to all of you who responded with feedback on the new website. It's been a huge help, and you'll see I'm taking your comments seriously. I've made the following changes so far: 1) I've removed the Java counter script, from both the hi-resolution and low-resolution versions of the home page. It looks like the company that hosted the counter (when I first activated it, months ago) is offline now, so it's not working. As far as I can tell, MS Internet Explorer simply ignores it and goes on, but Netscape chokes if it can't access the site. So, since it wasn't doing any good anyway, it's gone. I'll be looking for a new counter soon. 2) I've enabled scrolling on the navbar on the left in the hi-res version. It's set to AUTO, which means it should give a scroll bar when the browser can't show the whole frame. Since I made the navbar graphic a lot bigger than it needed to be, to give space for future expansion, it'll show the scrollbar for everybody, even with big monitors. If you scroll down you'll see a lot of white space down there. 3) I've corrected the links from Margo's bio to her personal website. The problem was that I had left the "http://" out of the URL, so it was trying to find that URL in the local directory. I know Egroups has been swallowed by Yahoo Groups, and I'll change that link in the navbar, but since the navbar is an image-mapped graphic, it'll take a bit longer than just tweaking code. Also, the links to correction, layout, etc, will be added to the "Notes and Addenda" page. Thanks again for all your help. Another round of feedback, telling me if any problems remain, would be welcomed. Wayne "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 13:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29628 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:55:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIs3NP022454; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIs1Sp020672; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIrDSp020521 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5D00CVMJ4I77@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DCEAAB4.9040902@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Mrgo's site.. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:51:32 -0600 Status: RO Wow, You did a fantastic job... Also, I absolutely love your picture of dissatisfaction. :D -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 14:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29863 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAJh5NP024743; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAJh1Sp002178; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAAJgkSp002103 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:42:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27300 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-25.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.25) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCEB65A.AF20A2BD@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Website corrections References: <3.0.6.32.20021110104234.00c66250@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:41:14 -0500 Status: RO > > Hi, everybody, it's Wayne again. > Thanks again for all your help. Another round of feedback, telling me if > any problems remain, would be welcomed. Wayne it works beautifully!! Great looking site. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 17:42:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30856 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAMfBNP003058; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAMf1aF014965; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAMeqaF014938 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:40:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f79.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.121]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 61A0A263B11 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:40:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c2890a$a5a7a1a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <007101c288df$fc31c580$da0823d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bh-cost=5D_robe_retrouss=E8e_dans_les_poches?= Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:43:51 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. This is a polonaise dress. Very pretty and very shocking in colour. There are other examples of this type of dress in Janet Arnold's patterns of fashion, also in Norah Waugh's The Cut of Womens Clothes. If you would like, i could scan some patterns, pictures and send you. The polonaise dress had two drawstrings inside the overskirt, at the back where it pulled up the skirt so that it draped the dress in 3 swags. A bumroll was worn with this type of dress, wich had the greatest padding center back. It originally had its fashion from a robe a la francaise where the two snips of the overskirt was pulled trough the pocket slits and draped the overskirt in a similar matter. Are you looking for some outfits for the Bath Ball? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] robe retroussèe dans les poches > Hi all, > I've been looking at an example of this on the Kyoto Costume > Institute: > http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html > it's the featured gown on the 1780's digital archive in white and red > pekin striped silk. Can anyone point me to more information, and more > pictures of this type of gown? > Many thanks and best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 19:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31326 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB0V4NP008352; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB0V1aF011302; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB0U8aF011114 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from downstairs (ip68-10-170-42.hr.hr.cox.net [68.10.170.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAB0U671013226 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:30:07 -0800 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress diary updated Message-ID: <000c01c28919$e2d6a260$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000701c288d2$547700b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:32:58 -0500 Status: RO HI Bjarne, I can't tell you how impressed I am with your wonderful embroideries. I just wanted to know the difference between the threads you are using. I have heard of this Eterna thread but never actually seen or used it. Your impressions would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Anne (who has been lurking on this site for over a year and is thrilled with all the neat information and gorgeous garb) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 22:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32052 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3VANP017596; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3V1aF020750; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3UJaF020611 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:30:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.132] (pm4-132.eos.net [205.133.149.132]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26764 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:30:17 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021110163100.19477.98242.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: dress diary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:28:00 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne: Thanks so much for sharing your beautiful work again! You have such amazing talents, you are like all the 17th century tailoring and sewing specialists in one person. I think it's easy to see how much you love the work. I like my life very much, although what I do leaves me very little time for concentrating on any one project. I love embroidery and hope to do it again someday, but I am very inferior to you. But sometimes I really envy people who can concentrate on one thing for long periods of time. It is very different from what I am able to do! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 10 22:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32085 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:38:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3d1NP018148; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3d0aF022420; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB3cQaF022290 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:38:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.2d.265fb299 (3972) for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.265fb299.2b008017@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.265fb299.2b008017_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10638 Subject: [h-cost] Butterick 3648 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:37:59 EST Status: RO --part1_2d.265fb299.2b008017_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This pattern reminds me of the movie A Christmas Carol but what date is that set in? Anyone know? What date can this be used for? Butterick 3648 Thanks, Kelly --part1_2d.265fb299.2b008017_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This pattern reminds me of the movie A Christmas Carol but what date is that set in?  Anyone know?  What date can this be used for?  Butterick 3648
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Kelly --part1_2d.265fb299.2b008017_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 00:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32446 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5GjNP023468; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5E1aF014657; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5D7aF014351 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.26.30cce013 (16930) for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:12:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <26.30cce013.2b009658@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick 3648 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.30cce013.2b009658_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:12:56 EST Status: RO --part1_26.30cce013.2b009658_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/2002 10:39:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, M311@aol.com writes: > This pattern reminds me of the movie A Christmas Carol but what date is that > set in? Anyone know? What date can this be used for? Butterick 3648 > Not bad...though no wing tip collars in this period. It IS "A Christmas Carol" since it comes with a Ghost of Christmas Present costume pattern as well. Let's see...."A Christmas Carol" was published in 1843 or 1845....there abouts. So if Scrooge is in his 50s [you don't want him too old! What good would the lessons be?] that makes the Belle scenes around the 1810s [I once was wardrobe master for a production where the Fezzywig party scene was 1760s!!!! This make Scrooge about 90!!!!]. These are your 2 main periods. [Christmas Future is usually only one or two years into the future] --part1_26.30cce013.2b009658_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/2002 10:39:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, M311@aol.com writes:


This pattern reminds me of the movie A Christmas Carol but what date is that set in?  Anyone know?  What date can this be used for?  Butterick 3648


Not bad...though no wing tip collars in this period.

It IS "A Christmas Carol" since it comes with a Ghost of Christmas Present costume pattern as well.

Let's see...."A Christmas Carol" was published in 1843 or 1845....there abouts. So if Scrooge is in his 50s [you don't want him too old! What good would the lessons be?] that makes the Belle scenes around the 1810s [I once was wardrobe master for a production where the Fezzywig party scene was 1760s!!!! This make Scrooge about 90!!!!]. These are your 2 main periods. [Christmas Future is usually only one or two years into the future] --part1_26.30cce013.2b009658_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 00:57:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32565 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5v3NP025541; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5v2aF024209; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB5uqaF024161 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:56:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5E00IG1DUN1A@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml4so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.148]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5E00EBZDUNZ6@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.shaw.ca (h24-68-29-21.vc.shawcable.net [24.68.29.21]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5E00MCVDUMNE@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:56:47 -0700 (MST) From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit In-reply-to: X-Sender: ionization@shawmail To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021110215602.00b35c70@shawmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:56:46 -0800 Status: RO Could someone perhaps post the link? it's not included here, and I must have missed the original post in my (yay!) computer upgrade.. kris At 07:55 AM 09/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Theresa wrote: > > If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose > > modern people in period clothing and historic sites? > > > > I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people > > themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived > > spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, > > the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate > > view of how people behaved in natural settings? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 01:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32632 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB6F2NP026290; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB6F1aF028104; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB6E2aF027882 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AAA9CAC10236; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:14:01 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAA413E200C4; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:13:56 -0600 Message-ID: <00ba01c28949$7fd6d9c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20021110215602.00b35c70@shawmail> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:13:47 -0500 Status: RO Kris, Here it is http://www.fittingtimeforwomen.com/html/index.html Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 04:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23817 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:20:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9L3NP003711; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9L1aF010598; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9KhaF010532 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from p417-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.214.163] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BAkK-000640-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:20:41 +1300 Message-ID: <003301c28963$9c4c9f30$a3d6adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <200211080850.AAA02936@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:20:42 +1300 Status: RO However, > my finger splints have gotten so many comments that I'm fairly sure I could > make money selling them as fashion accessories. They're a slightly different > design from the ones on this page: > http://www.silverringsplint.com/hyperextension.html I need some rather nicer versions of the splints for my triggering, these look better, but I'm thinking I might just use what I have now and work on something myself. http://www.silverringsplint.com/triggering.html And yes, triggering is pretty nasty and painful. Most of my fingers trigger during the worst of my flares, but my right middle finger hasn't stopped for months now. I still wake up and can't use that finger. Gets better during the day, but it still triggers. heheh, actually my hand physio got her student to come and see as it's not something she's likely to see too often before getting out there and needing to treat people with it. Course there's bugger all physio can do to help, immobilising and reducing inflamation are about all you can do. > Heh. I've been offending people lately with my, "That's right, I'm crippled. > Now get over it, I have." attitude. Which means I've also been thumbing my > nose at people who say my costume adaptations aren't period. When they quit > getting vaccinations and taking antibiotics, I'll take that part seriously. lol! I just get annoyed that people can't see you simply cannot be 100% period correct. Not only are we too far from the time and have our perceptions coloured by our own experiences and collected histories, but getting materials to be untainted by modern technology is nigh on impossible. There is always another line that someone will snark you from;) I do quite like the idea of experimenting with what could possibly be done in perod. But I'm not giving up things that will cause me to be deformed before need be:) btw, I knew your comments weren't one thought, it is a problem when communicating without the inflections, body language and indeed pauses that occur in speech faec to face or even over the phone. It;s why I tend to over use smilies and ...'s :) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 04:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24071 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9LUNP003746; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9LUaF010783; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9KraF010560 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gAB9NK024745.; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:23:20 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:20:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAB9KraF010560 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:20:22 +0000 Status: RO Didn't some 19th century women wear a washable edging tacked to the hem of their skirts? Though I suppose this was more to gather dust; it wouldn't stop rain wicking up. I seem to remember in Jane Austen's "Emma" there's something about the gentry not going out because of bad weather (though of course it's OK to send a servant with a message to say you're not coming!) Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 04:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06032 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9V2NP004153; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9V1aF012650; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9UNaF012565 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gAB9Wp025402.; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:32:51 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:30:22 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAB9UNaF012565 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:30:04 +0000 Status: RO Maryann wrote: >And, I never understood the thread about capes. So are you saying that >people didn't wear capes ever? I am doing Elizabethan now, should I >forgo the cape? What I said was that I had been told, in a talk on 17th century costume, that there are few period illustrastions of women in cloaks (men certainly wore them). Someone else said the same, but we thought it surprising that a cloak would not be worn in wet weather. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 04:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18084 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9d2NP004464; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9d0aF014057; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB9cNaF013940 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gAB9ep025835.; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:40:51 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:38:22 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAB9cNaF013940 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:38:11 +0000 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment >clues while still loving one's costumes? I have to say that I love reenactment for its own sake and the costumes are just the means to an end. Of course I hate bad weather like everyone else (though I've not been too unlucky this year) and I increasingly dislike long car journeys, but I love being in the open air with like-minded friends and I enjoy talking to the public (a few really interested ones make it all worth while). Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 07:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21314 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABCC3NP008580; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABCC0aF012481; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.washjeff.edu ([209.131.83.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABCBOaF012346 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.81.119] by mail.washjeff.edu (SMTPD32-7.11) id AD974562036C; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:07:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c2897b$d18481a0$775183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: References: <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20021110215602.00b35c70@shawmail> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:13:59 -0500 Status: RO The link: http://www.fittingtimeforwomen.com/html/page3.html Lloyd Mitchell (for Kathleen) ----- Original Message ----- From: "kris" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit > Could someone perhaps post the link? it's not included here, and I must > have missed the original post in my (yay!) computer upgrade.. > > kris > > At 07:55 AM 09/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Theresa wrote: > > > If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose > > > modern people in period clothing and historic sites? > > > > > > I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people > > > themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived > > > spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, > > > the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate > > > view of how people behaved in natural settings? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 08:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25631 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:26:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABDQ6NP010875; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABDQ1aF028140; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABDPpaF028115 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id FAA03489 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211111347.FAA03489@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] braces & corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:47:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: "michaela" [...] > I need some rather nicer versions of the splints for my triggering, these > look better, but I'm thinking I might just use what I have now and work on > something myself. > http://www.silverringsplint.com/triggering.html Okay, I took some quick and dirty pics of the splints with my digital camera. For a 10 minute webpage, it's not bad: http://www.retro.com/employees/lee/RingSplint.html The bandaid on my finger is part of my lesson for the week: Never teach the kitten that your fingers are play toys. Especially if you haven't trimmed his claws in a couple weeks. [yeep!] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 11:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27148 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABGm5NP026095; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABGm2I7012950; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABGlfI7012758 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:47:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.38.310f21d6 (4004) for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <38.310f21d6.2b013921@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.310f21d6.2b013921_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:47:29 EST Status: RO --part1_38.310f21d6.2b013921_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All! Is anyone on this list in a wheelchair, either part time or full time? Or do you know somebody who is? I was just wondering, what sort of concessions do you make for your period clothes? (Any period will do.) I have a good friend who wants to return to the SCA (and eventually Regency/Victorian/Edwardian stuff as well) but she is now wheelchair bound and is having difficulty figuring out what concessions she will have to make for her old costumes. She used to try to be very authentic, and did almost strictly Elizabethan clothing. She wishes to continue both veins as much as possible. So I am trying to help her make adjustments. I told her I would ask this list, especially since we seem to be having this conversation anyway. Any help would be appreciated, since I am at a complete loss. Thank you in advance, Kit --part1_38.310f21d6.2b013921_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings All!

Is anyone on this list in a wheelchair, either part time or full time?  Or do you know somebody who is?  I was just wondering, what sort of concessions do you make for your period clothes?  (Any period will do.)

I have a good friend who wants to return to the SCA (and eventually Regency/Victorian/Edwardian stuff as well) but she is now wheelchair bound and is having difficulty figuring out what concessions she will have to make for her old costumes.  She used to try to be very authentic, and did almost strictly Elizabethan clothing.  She wishes to continue both veins as much as possible.  So I am trying to help her make adjustments.  I told her I would ask this list, especially since we seem to be having this conversation anyway.

Any help would be appreciated, since I am at a complete loss.

Thank you in advance,
Kit --part1_38.310f21d6.2b013921_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 12:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27295 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABH07NP027382; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABH05I7019727; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gABGxRI7019333 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:59:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWhm9s8qkc8w7Ob5DUbGlAJ6ot0sqEiYZAw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHCPN8NC; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:58:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces Message-ID: <20021111.115654.-411617.8.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_56bb.64b8.6a73 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-9,16-18,19-32767 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:53 -0500 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_56bb.64b8.6a73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<>> I have a very good friend who is wheelchair bound and she does both earlier medieval and Elizabethan. She found that skirts kept getting caught in her wheels, but now she just uses a skirt (or skirts) fronts. She puts it on like an apron and I didn't know for a year that it wasn't a compleat skirt. The only reason I found out last week was that she needed help getting it tied in back. Don't know if this helps or not, but I found it interesting. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender ----__JNP_000_56bb.64b8.6a73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Lalah
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----__JNP_000_56bb.64b8.6a73-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 12:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27392 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABHA3NP028450; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABHA0I7025354; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABH9MI7024888 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.10d.1ab85c6a (4004) for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.1ab85c6a.2b013e37@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.1ab85c6a.2b013e37_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:11 EST Status: RO --part1_10d.1ab85c6a.2b013e37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 8:17:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, LindaJThompson@comcast.net writes: > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list together > and send them > all at once. Linda, I would love to get a copy! Thanks, Kit --part1_10d.1ab85c6a.2b013e37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 8:17:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, LindaJThompson@comcast.net writes:


If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list together and send them
all at once.


Linda,

I would love to get a copy!

Thanks,
Kit --part1_10d.1ab85c6a.2b013e37_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 11 12:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27647 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABHQ4NP029960; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABHQ2I7004039; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABHPBI7003588 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.108.1aca7b1c (4004) for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <108.1aca7b1c.2b0141e5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_108.1aca7b1c.2b0141e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:24:53 EST Status: RO --part1_108.1aca7b1c.2b0141e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 12:23:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes: > >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues > while still loving one's costumes? I believe that everyone does at some point in time. For me I can clock it. Every 5 years I get tired of reenactment. (Whether it be the time or money constrait, the politics or the sh**ty-attitudes of other people.) Then depending on my level of involvement, I either back out to a token event here or there, or pullout completely, getting rid of all my costumes and "get on with my life." In this case, I don't think you are much different from the rest of us. :) I always find the hard part is going back. Example: I am just returning to the SCA after a burn out phase. This time around, it was so bad that I refused to look at my rapier gear, wouldn't listen to my period music, packed up my period cookbooks and (shock of all shocks) didn't even want to look at my sewing machines or fabric. Now, I finally broken out of that just to find I have basically no costumes that fit. I don't want to have to rush getting anything completed, which was the straw that broke the camel's back last time. So now that I have finally found my muse again, and I actually want to be involved in something, but I am fighting with the fact that I filled up all my costuming/SCA time with other things. :( However, I am about to be unemployed and am looking forward to having a few weeks off to do nothing but sew! Kit --part1_108.1aca7b1c.2b0141e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 12:23:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com writes:


>Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues
while still loving one's costumes?


I believe that everyone does at some point in time.  For me I can clock it.  Every 5 years I get tired of reenactment.  (Whether it be the time or money constrait, the politics or the sh**ty-attitudes of other people.)   Then depending on my level of involvement, I either back out to a token event here or there, or pullout completely, getting rid of all my costumes and "get on with my life."  In this case, I don't think you are much different from the rest of us.  :)

I always find the hard part is going back.  Example: I am just returning to the SCA after a burn out phase.  This time around, it was so bad that I refused to look at my rapier gear, wouldn't listen to my period music, packed up my period cookbooks and (shock of all shocks) didn't even want to look at my sewing machines or fabric.  Now, I finally broken out of that just to find I have basically no costumes that fit.  I don't want to have to rush getting anything completed, which was the straw that broke the camel's back last time.  So now that I have finally found my muse again, and I actually want to be involved in something, but I am fighting with the fact that I filled up all my costuming/SCA time with other things.  :(  However, I am about to be unemployed and am looking forward to having a few weeks off to do nothing but sew!

Kit --part1_108.1aca7b1c.2b0141e5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23016 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEDXMV022735; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEDPt8001188; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:13:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gABJK8R7004934 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1479 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 19:20:07 -0000 Received: from 208-27-190-75.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.75) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 19:20:07 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD00293.9211F42E@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:18:43 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, I have searched so many online pattern shops I think I am dizzy. What I did discover there wasn't a place that had or sold ball gown patterns for the mid 1600's. I found a big gap between 1600 and 1700's. If anyone anywhere can point me in the right direction to locate a pattern for the 1600's I would be forever in your debt. I gather from this lack many people do not re-enact this time frame. Or I am not looking in the right places. Thank you in advance, Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:14:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23022 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEESMV022773; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:14:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEESt8001459; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:14:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABK4HR7027004 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.33.186]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5F009P2H33TK@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:04:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces In-reply-to: <38.310f21d6.2b013921@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021111105141.00d236e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:27 -0800 Status: RO > I was just wondering, what sort of concessions do you make for your > period clothes? (Any period will do.) > >I have a good friend who wants to return to the SCA (and eventually >Regency/Victorian/Edwardian stuff as well) but she is now wheelchair bound >and is having difficulty figuring out what concessions she will have to >make for her old costumes. She used to try to be very authentic, and did >almost strictly Elizabethan clothing. She wishes to continue both veins >as much as possible. So I am trying to help her make adjustments. I told >her I would ask this list, especially since we seem to be having this >conversation anyway. > >Any help would be appreciated, since I am at a complete loss. Assuming she gets out of the chair to use the convenience, open up the skirt seam all the way to the waist in back. The chair will cover this. And remember, nothing lumpy to sit on or lean back against. The other suggestions I have read include making garments that are easy for the wearer to put on, including large armholes and Velcro fasteners. She may have to change to an easier-to-wear authentic period, like earlier. (There's a book about clothing for the disabled somewhere - I've read it but keep not buying it - which includes more ideas.) 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Clear:. Processed in 0.082521 secs); 11 Nov 2002 20:16:43 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.082521 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 20:16:43 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021111151519.M70311-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hello, y'all. I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. clothing in that movie was? Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:15:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23042 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEFVMV022854; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEFUt8001877; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gABLk4R7021840 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:46:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16116 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:54 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: LIST H costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment In-Reply-To: <007701c287c9$bdd00ca0$0b7f4ed5@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:54 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Melanie Wilson wrote: > >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment > clues while still loving one's costumes? This has been an interesting thread. I have a slightly different perspective on this, as I'm one of the very few (are there others?) on this list who is primarily a historic costume researcher, and only secondarily a maker of costumes. And I don't do re-enactment, theater, or living history at all. But I started out in re-enactment. No, wait. I started out studying medieval costume history on my own, in high school, in the mid-1970s, because I thought it was cool, and I made dress-up costumes for myself and my friends. When I got to college, I found both Renfaires and SCA, at right about the same time, so I was delighted to have an excuse to wear the clothing I'd made, and make more, and learn more about it. I was deeply involved in the SCA for several years (officer at local and kingdom levels, deputy officer at national level), in several kingdoms. I participated wholeheartedly in the entire experience, and I enjoyed the opportunity to experiment with many different arts and crafts. (For those who care, my Laurel is not in costume. I would probably not meet requirements for a costume Laurel today, either.) This kept me very busy doing very many things, and -- as time went on -- with less and less time to do any substantive work in any one area I was particularly interested in, because I was doing a lot of administrative stuff, organizing, teaching. My costume work mostly consisted of making and teaching the same things over and over. Then after one more house move and yet another kingdom, I found myself busy with job and life and such, and I just never managed to get active in the local group. I also found the opportunity to begin presenting papers at academic conferences. And after a few years, I realized I had stopped doing re-enacting without really noticing it. I was spending more and more time on my costume research, which I had neglected for so long, and I was still seeing many of my friends from re-enactment. But I had somehow stopped bothering to go to events. It took me several years to realize not only that I had quit, but that I hadn't missed it. Now I tell people I had to quit the SCA to find the time to do the things I joined the SCA to do ;-) I tell this story sometimes when people assume I must have quit for a reason related to the group -- politics, or burnout, or whatever. No, I just got my activities in line with my priorities. I also found that once I recognized this consciously, I became a much better costumer, and a better costume researcher, because I was no longer focused on making costumes to wear to events. I do still make costumes, but mostly for experimental purposes, not personal ones. So I don't think anymore about whether something will look good with my facial structure or coloring (which are not typical of the cultures in which the clothing was worn), or whether I can wash it or pack it, or whether I can have it done before some event. I make fewer clothes, and very few for myself, but they're better in general, and I'm happier doing them. I also spend a lot more time researching costume issues that have very little to do with making clothing -- e.g. the development of costume history, or the use of costume in artwork in various periods. These are things I just barely touched on when I was re-enacting and didn't have the time or resources to pursue. Today, I love lecturing for re-enactment groups, because then I get to see that people can use my findings. People seem to think it's very odd that I don't want to "play" in the SCA anymore, and I periodically run into some old friend who decides I must have left because I felt unloved or unwanted, and that I must be miserable or unfulfilled without it, and that if they push me hard enough I'll come back where I belong. Not likely. I'm much happier doing exactly what I want to do -- in my case, focusing on the development of body garments in a particular period -- without being distracted by the need to assemble the complete kit I'd need to actually re-enact that period. No more pavilions, dining ware, baskets, pouches, camp furniture, etc. For that matter, I mostly ignore shoes, hose, headgear, belts, jewelry, and other costume accessories that don't influence the clothing issues I'm studying. These aren't my areas of interest, and so completing a full outfit was always a nuisance for me. When I got right down to what I cared about, I found I liked what I was doing a whole lot more. Just another perspective. --Robin who met her husband at a party for burned-out ex-SCA people, and who still has a few boxes of long-unused feast and camp gear in the basement -- his as well as hers _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23051 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGfMV022991; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGet8002412; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAC0AWR7008783 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:10:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip191.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC0ARnr013661 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180942.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:10:49 -0500 Status: RO At 09:51 PM 11/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/8/02 4:56:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, >lindo@radix.net writes: > > >>Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a >>bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.? > > >Yes, a bulletin board is better suited to this. I am somewhat new to who >offers what. Which fiber site are you referring to so I can see who >provides the service? Or can you suggest any well regarded bulletin board >providers? I don't think anyone wants daily deliverys of what's for sale >messages, but a place to quickly see what might be listed. Thanks for the >suggestion. > >Lisa Well, I don't know of any software specifically, but I'm sure some of the web sites out there that host bulletin boards (Muzzleloader Magazine has one, I think) could tell you what software they're using. I think there's good freeware available, for that matter... - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23055 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGbMV022978; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGbt8002379; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAC0AUR7008774 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip191.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC0ARnp013661 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:10:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180419.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <20021102100451.92238.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021107192137.01f842b0@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:05:30 -0500 Status: RO At 07:18 PM 11/8/2002 +0000, you wrote: >What is a kertch? This is interesting because (as I said elsewhere) I pin >my wimple to my headscarf, to stop it blowing back. > >Jean A kertch (in 18th c. Scottish parlance) is basically the Scottish Highland survival of the medieval wimple -- a large square piece of fabric, usually folded diagonally to form a triangle. So, yes, same difference . -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23059 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGhMV023004; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEGht8002434; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAC0AYR7008799 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from lindo.radix.net (ip191.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.191]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC0ARnt013661 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:10:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180607.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-Reply-To: <20021108230906.74643.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:16:13 -0500 Status: RO At 11:09 PM 11/8/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues >while still loving one's costumes? > >Nicole Oh, yes... Well, one way to get through this is to have a private costume party with one's friends, just to enjoy the costumes without the tourists ;) I find that the events I enjoy the most are the ones with a _few_ tourists, not too many, but ones that seem to ask intelligent questions (mostly). That way I get a decent amount of time socializing with friends, and not too much time answering stupid questions. I'm trying to figure out how to drop the events that involve high 'stupidity' quotients. I also find that if I have a ton of stuff to haul with me, it's not as fun. If I can travel light, I do better. A 'common' persona helps this, I think... It's so tempting to take everything plus the proverbial kitchen sink to events, but paring down to the bare necessities helps one focus on what's really enjoyable. And assigning myself some definable role or task for the duration of the event helps, too, when possible. What do you think it is that bothers you most about the events you're going to? What do you enjoy the most? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23064 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEHCMV023128; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEHBt8002727; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAC9LNR7008146 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:21:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-182.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.182]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31E019FD76 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:21:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DD0C80F.8030009@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff References: <3DCD3461.3060401@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:21:19 +0100 Status: RO Please send me one too. Greetings, Deredere http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Cassandra, > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list > together and send them all at once. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23084 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:18:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEItMV023447; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEIst8003687; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:18:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gACIswNw000617 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5746 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 18:54:57 -0000 Received: from dap-208-1-140-168.erie-tnt-1.pa.erie.net (HELO bookbusiness) (208.1.140.168) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 18:54:57 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:55:02 -0500 Status: RO Usually, I don't do anything later than Tudor, but I found a really nice "camp" (cotton) Elizabethan dress being sold as used garb at a reasonable price. Now that the alterations are mostly done and I contemplate wearing it next weekend, I realize I have no idea of what kind of shoes would be appropriate. I'm not going to custom-made shoes for 1 dress - does anyone have any thoughts on available modern shoes that would look okay? Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23091 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEJAMV023519; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEJ9t8003832; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gACK5eNw008065 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021112200536.KUUP1315.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:36 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Message-ID: <000001c28a82$035c08e0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New exhibition devoted to Michelangelo and late Renaissance Flore Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:46 -0500 Status: RO In case anyone needs one more reason to head north next spring: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021111/ap_wo_en_po/a rts_us_renaissance_art_2 CHICAGO - More than four centuries ago, a melancholy young nobleman from the Medici family, Francesco I, second Grand Duke of Tuscany, had a secret chamber built at one of his palaces in Florence. He filled it with exquisite art works, jewels, natural curios and scientific specimens. Francesco spent days at a time hiding from the world in what he called his "studiolo" or study. Other rulers of the day who had similar vaults called them "wonder cabinets." The curators of an exhibition that opened Saturday at the Art Institute of Chicago, "The Medici, Michelangelo and the Art of Late Renaissance Florence," devote a whole room to Francesco's wonder cabinet, but the truest wonders are in surrounding galleries: Art works created as the Renaissance was winding down in the city of its birth. These are not the more famous works of the Early or the High Renaissance, when Florence was a rowdy republic and the Medici were up-and-coming bankers - quick with the moneybags, the daggers and the stuffed ballot boxes. The exhibition, which runs through Feb. 2, covers the years from the accession of Francesco's father, Cosimo I, in 1537, to the death in 1631 of Archduchess Maria Maddalena, widow of Francesco's nephew, Cosimo II. By the latter year, the Medici - and Florence - were in decline, and the city's art was reverting to an almost medieval religiosity. There are no da Vincis, Raphaels, Botticellis or Donatellos. Instead, most of the featured artists are from the later Mannerist school, which took its lead from the late works of Michelangelo. Most aren't household names. There are such painters as Jacopo da Pontormo, Agnolo Bronzino and Francesco Salviati, while the sculptors include Baccio Bandinelli, Vincenzo Danti and Bartolomeo Ammanati. But gallery-goers who demand star names needn't be disappointed. There are preliminary models for the most famous bronze by Benvenuto Cellini, sculptor, goldsmith and all-around scamp, plus three sculptures and five drawings by Michelangelo. One of the works on paper is the unsigned "Drawing of a Candelabrum," discovered only this past spring in the collection of the Smithsonian's Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum in New York. The drawing made international headlines in July when it was identified as Michelangelo's work. This is its first time on display outside New York. The largest and best-known of the Michelangelo works in the exhibition is the uncompleted "Apollo/David," whose twisting body seems to be breaking free from the original block of marble. Like many of the 200 other works on display, this is the first time the sculpture has traveled outside Italy. Its dramatic pose and subtle physical distortions provide a good blueprint for the aims of Mannerism. Equally moving is the tiny wooden crucifix displayed nearby. The 88-year-old Michelangelo was whittling it just before his death in Rome in 1564. One of the most striking sculptures by Michelangelo's Mannerist followers is Bartolomeo Ammanti's monumental bronze of Hercules wrestling the giant Antaeus. Among paintings on display, the many Bronzino portraits are justly famous, and sometimes subtly unsettling. But the best-known painting is probably "Judith with the Head of Holofernes," by Bronzino's grandson, Cristofano Allori. The exhibition, which was assembled by the Art Institute, the Detroit Institute of Arts and a consortium of Italian museums, had its first showing at the Palazzo Strozzi in Florence earlier this year. Its only U.S. showings are at the Art Institute (Nov. 9, 2002-Feb. 2, 2003) and in Detroit (March 16-June 8, 2003). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23095 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:19:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEJGMV023542; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEJFt8003921; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gACKk3Nw029963 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18093 invoked by uid 1005); 12 Nov 2002 20:45:54 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.065709 secs); 12 Nov 2002 20:45:54 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.065709 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 20:45:53 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021112154453.C87169-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Il Libro dell'Arte's online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:45:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Guys, Just stumbled across this: Cennino Cennini's "Il Libro dell' Arte" is online! More interesting to illuminators than costumers, but there's still some good recipes for buckram, etc. in here. http://www.noteaccess.com/Texts/Cennini/index.htm Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23109 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:20:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEKTMV023704; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEKTt8004595; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gACLwZU3009803 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:58:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Bj3K-000HnM-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:58:35 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> <20021108183647.33443.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <009101c28783$d11e88e0$0b1723d9@dan> In-Reply-To: <009101c28783$d11e88e0$0b1723d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:54:22 +0000 Status: RO Stevie Gamble wrote >Jean wrote > >> Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously >spoiled >> by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. >> > >I think that that is only partially so; if you are thinking in terms >of the 'idle rich' then that may be accurate. But many of the rich >weren't idle, and time, tide and the Armada were not minded to call >the whole thing off so that the Lord Admiral didn't spoil his clothes. >Nor would Elizabeth have abandoned her claim to possess the heart and >stomach of a king of England at Tilbury for fear of getting wet, and >on a rather less fraught occasion Raleigh really did blow a small >fortune when he threw down his cloak for her to walk on. > >best wishes >Stevie > Well, that's an even higher level of wealth - to be able to wear brocades and satins, get them muddy and not care if they were ruined! Where people were going to wear their best, things were often arranged so they didn't have to get wet or step on the ground - stepping straight from the carriage onto a platform, for example, or the development of the porte-cochere. While we can't necessarily tell whether people had shorter skirts for bad weather, I'm sure those who had to take care of their clothes had simpler, more easily cleaned outfits for muddy days. I always wonder how short servants wore their skirts, as I struggle up steep spiral stairs in castles, even with both hands free for my skirts. Is anyone aware of any evidence, for 12th - 14th century? I just can't imagine how they climbed with buckets of water or trays of food. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23116 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:20:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEKXMV023723; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEKXt8004616; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gACMNPU3023172 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18BjRK-000NGQ-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:23:22 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit References: <00eb01c287a6$618ac340$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3DCC9840.8030109@misc.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:21:59 +0000 Status: RO It's interesting to consider how much looks wrong because we're not used to seeing people photographed in movement, or in informal poses, and how much, perhaps, because they haven't researched how people really moved - through novels and etiquette books, etc. Some of them make me respond "no nice girl would..." - stand with her hands on her hips, for example. It's the same with cross-cultural settings - things like not showing the soles of your feet to people. Yes, everyone relaxes, everyone has to do daily tasks, but there are cultural/time differences in the way they do them, and the things which are acceptable or not. Probably the last detail most people achieve in wearing historical costumes! Jean Kirrily Robert wrote >Theresa wrote: >> If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose >> modern people in period clothing and historic sites? >> >> I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people >> themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived >> spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, >> the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate >> view of how people behaved in natural settings? > >Hrm, yeah, I agree that the people look modern. I find myself thinking >"what is it that makes them look modern?" and seeing how I can apply it >to my own costume-related activities. > >The things that stand out for me, are the childrens' hairstyles, the way >people are standing/sitting with what looks like the wrong posture, and >the fact that the photographs are sepia-toned and meant to look >old-fashioned and yet they catch people in moments that would have >looked like a blur using 19th century photography techniques. I thought >that people sitting for photographs at that time had to stand totally >still for quite a long time for the long exposures? > >K. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23121 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADELVMV023872; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADELUt8005106; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAD1SRU3018330 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.184.11bfde47 (4459) for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:27:55 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <184.11bfde47.2b03049a@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_184.11bfde47.2b03049a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Subject: [h-cost] embroidery on19th century chemises Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:27:54 EST Status: RO --part1_184.11bfde47.2b03049a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy folks, As I mentioned earlier, I have tried to take some pictures of the embroidery on the authentic 19th century chemises I have. I have 5 chemises and one combination. Though some are machine sewn together, the embroidery is done by hand on all of them. I cannot get a good shot, however. The sun will not come out and there is not enough light without the flash to take a close up. The flash washes the white on white out. I'm going to invest in a tripod. I must go out of town this week however so you'll all just have to wait until I return and take some more pictures. The ones I have taken are not sharp and unacceptable but from them I can tell you'll be able to see each stitch, if I can get the camera to hold steady. More later.... AlbertCat...budding photographer --part1_184.11bfde47.2b03049a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy folks,

As I mentioned earlier, I have tried to take some pictures of the embroidery on the authentic 19th century chemises I have. I have 5 chemises and one combination. Though some are machine sewn together, the embroidery is done by hand on all of them.

I cannot get a good shot, however. The sun will not come out and there is not enough light without the flash to take a close up. The flash washes the white on white out. I'm going to invest in a tripod. I must go out of town this week however so you'll all just have to wait until I return and take some more pictures.
The ones I have taken are not sharp and unacceptable but from them I can tell you'll be able to see each stitch, if I can get the camera to hold steady.

More later....

AlbertCat...budding photographer --part1_184.11bfde47.2b03049a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:21:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23126 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADELlMV023941; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADELlt8005267; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAD4utU3021417 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:56:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27335 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from 208-27-190-149.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.149) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 04:56:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD1DB0A.92AEC96D@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] not recieving messages. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:54:34 -0500 Status: RO Am I the only one not recieving any messages from h-cost? Been two days since I've seen a post. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23132 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEM4MV024006; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEM4t8005474; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAD8J6U3013159 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:19:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113081906.28036.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:19:06 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Test? It's so silent... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:19:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO This is weird, no mails whatsoever since yesterday. Is it mailing list downtime again? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 09:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23306 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEmBMV025545; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:48:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADEm7t8014261; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADElNt8013841 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:47:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.51.37.8] (pcp456045pcs.shklfd01.ar.comcast.net [68.51.37.8]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5I00G0YRQGSW@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:47:04 -0500 (EST) From: Allison In-reply-to: <20021111190011.24402.86187.Mailman@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: [h-cost] Re: pattern sizing specs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:47:10 -0600 Status: RO I, too, would like to have a copy of the pattern re-sizing directions! Many thanks, Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 10:00:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23426 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:00:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF11MV026327; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF10t8018810; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF0wt8018795 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gADF3R023597.; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:03:27 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:00:57 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gADF0wt8018795 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:00:32 +0000 Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 11/12/02 10:21pm >>> >It's interesting to consider how much looks wrong because we're not used >to seeing people photographed in movement, or in informal poses, As a sidelight on this, there's a painting by William Dobson showing Prince Rupert in conversation with two other officers (sorry, can't find it online). A Victorian critic, accustomed to posed, static portraits, thought it made Rupert look drunk. To my eyes it just looks like a snapshot which happens not to be particularly flattering. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 10:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23447 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:03:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF31MV026527; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF31t8019546; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADF2wt8019510 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:02:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f6d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.109]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FEE24802E3 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:02:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c28b25$da814170$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021111151519.M70311-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:03:40 +0100 Status: RO Dear Drea I have it on tape from the television. My two cents is that it is rather good. Compared to other series, they have made it reasonable. I think it is a television series, and brittish television is quite good in recreating periods. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? > Hello, y'all. > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > clothing in that movie was? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 10:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23816 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:18:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFJ2MV027844; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFJ0t8025969; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFITt8025676 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f6d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.109]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF485480595 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:18:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c28b28$04808740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3DD00293.9211F42E@inetone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:19:05 +0100 Status: RO Dear Diana. You are right. This is a period who lacks patterns. The only ball gown you could find is in Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion. There is the cut of a 1660 bodice and Norah Waugh has made a pattern of the Bath Dress from 1660 very similar to the bodice in The Cut of Womens Clothes. There is also a cut of a jacket from 1650. So you have to draft your own patterns from these books! Then there also is Jean Hunniset who has made some cuts of bodices in Period Costume for Stage and Screen, but she used the same drafts from the above mensioned bodices and skirts. Another book who has mid 1600 patterns (more theatrical) is The Evolution of Fashion - Pattern and Cut from 1066 - 1930 by Margot Hamilton Hill and Peter A Bucknell. I made a Dress for Nicole Kipar a coupple of years ago with real handmade silverlace decoration on the bodice and the skirt. It was made after the pattern in Janet Arnold's book Patterns of Fashion. If you go here: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/pembroke.htm you can follow how i made this dress from 1660. And the finished dress is here: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/cavalier.html Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dhannti" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's > > Greetings, > I have searched so many online pattern shops I think I am dizzy. > What I did discover there wasn't a place that had or sold ball gown > patterns for the mid 1600's. I found a big gap between 1600 and 1700's. > If anyone anywhere can point me in the right direction to locate a > pattern for the 1600's I would be forever in your debt. I gather from > this lack many people do not re-enact this time frame. Or I am not > looking in the right places. > > Thank you in advance, > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 10:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23891 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFc4MV029400; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFc1t8004071; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADFbnt8003934 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:37:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCsp4Cpp0Np3E7NLvR3pbo8ZYtf8R0Syglw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHHPTUBH; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:37:29 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's Message-ID: <20021113.093817.-171571.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:38:16 -0600 Status: RO I have just received my order from 'The Merchant Venturers' who specialize in doing Cavalier/English Civil War styles. The patterns are dated from about 1625-1640 but could probably do for fashions thru the Commonwealth. I haven't used any of them yet so I can't speak for easy of use or fit, but I will let the list know when I try them. Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24042 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:00:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG03MV001517; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG01t8014952; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFxLt8014602 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:59:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 7.106.1b4d2290 (4328) for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:59:08 EST Status: RO --part1_106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please send me a copy also. Thanks, =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Nancy Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Cassandra, > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a=20 > handout that showed=A0 a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the=20 > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it=20 > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email.=A0 If I=20 > remember it is about 2 or three pages.=A0 Was not extremely complicated,=20 > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list=20 > together and send them all at once. --part1_106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please send me a copy also.

Thanks,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Nancy


Linda J. Thompson wrote:

> Cassandra,
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> industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email.=A0 If I
> remember it is about 2 or three pages.=A0 Was not extremely complicated= ,
> and is more accurate than the split and spread method.
>
> If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list
> together and send them all at once.


 --part1_106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24057 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG32MV001832; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG31t8016602; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADG21t8016087 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:02:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113160200.5386.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:02:00 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021113.093817.-171571.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:02:00 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > I have just received my order from 'The Merchant Venturers' who > specialize in doing Cavalier/English Civil War styles. The patterns are > dated from about 1625-1640 but could probably do for fashions thru the > Commonwealth. I haven't used any of them yet so I can't speak for easy of > use or fit, but I will let the list know when I try them. Teddy wore a green ensemble last weekend which he made out of the Merchant venturers patterns. It fit him great, but of course pattern adjustments are needed if you are not by any chance their fit. I have a few patterns of theirs and I like them, I use them as basics to make fitting patterns. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24072 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:06:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG73MV002135; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADG71t8018618; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADG6bt8018429 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:06:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113160636.37426.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:06:36 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c28b28$04808740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Diana, I have to tel you that ther are NO commercial patterns available for the mid 17th to late 17th century that I possibly know of, and I know a hellofalot about this period. :-) > You are right. This is a period who lacks patterns. > The only ball gown you could find is in Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion. > There is the cut of a 1660 bodice and Norah Waugh has made a pattern of the > Bath Dress from 1660 very similar to the bodice in The Cut of Womens > Clothes. There is also a cut of a jacket from 1650. You don't need a 'gown' because essentially, the 'gowns' of the period are bodices and skirts, skirts are simple rectangles, usually cartridge pleated, sometimes box pleated 9uhm, or was that term knife pleating? methinks the latter) herefore you need to do exactly what Bjarne says, you need to draft apattern from Norah Waugh and/or Janet Arnold. > So you have to draft your own patterns from these books! ..and that's where I personally fail utterly. Although you could also ask Sarah Thursfield to make a pattern for you. > Another book who has mid 1600 patterns (more theatrical) is The Evolution of > Fashion - Pattern and Cut from 1066 - 1930 by Margot Hamilton Hill and Peter > A Bucknell. Do NOT use it if you want anything authentic, I agree with Bjarne here, it is purely theatrical. > I made a Dress for Nicole Kipar a coupple of years ago with real handmade > silverlace decoration on the bodice and the skirt. It was made after the > pattern in Janet Arnold's book Patterns of Fashion. and a most beautiful dress it is! still the lovliest costume that i own, i feel soooooooooooooo beautiful in it. *grins* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:13:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24110 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGD2MV002665; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGD1t8021778; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGCBt8021346 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:12:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer ([12.225.2.157]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021113161205.KJZV24365.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:12:05 +0000 Message-ID: <003f01c28b2e$cb8a7340$9d02e10c@attbi.com> From: "dshoover" To: References: <106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C28AEB.BD0A1F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:07:41 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C28AEB.BD0A1F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please add me to the list also. dshoover@attbi.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MaddNancy@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@net.indra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff Please send me a copy also. Thanks, Nancy Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Cassandra, > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got = a=20 > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using = the=20 > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it = > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I=20 > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely = complicated,=20 > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list=20 > together and send them all at once. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C28AEB.BD0A1F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please add me to the list also. =20 dshoover@attbi.com
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Please send me a copy = also.

Thanks,
   =20     Nancy


Linda J. Thompson wrote:

>=20 Cassandra,
> When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep = years=20 ago, I got a
> handout that showed  a method of upsizing a = standard pattern using the
> industry calculation method for = it. If you=20 would like I will scan it
> and send it to you as an attachment = to your=20 private email.  If I
> remember it is about 2 or three=20 pages.  Was not extremely complicated,
> and is more = accurate than=20 the split and spread method.
>
> If any on else wants a = copy, send=20 me email and I will get a list
> together and send them all at=20 once.


 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C28AEB.BD0A1F20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24172 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGG2MV002967; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGG1t8023408; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADGFdt8023183 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113161538.16772.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:15:38 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180607.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:15:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Kevin + Mara wrote: > > > I also find that if I have a ton of stuff to haul with me, it's not as > fun. If I can travel light, I do better. A 'common' persona helps this, I > think... It's so tempting to take everything plus the proverbial kitchen > sink to events, but paring down to the bare necessities helps one focus on > what's really enjoyable. And assigning myself some definable role or task > for the duration of the event helps, too, when possible. > > What do you think it is that bothers you most about the events you're going > to? What do you enjoy the most? You hit the nail on the head Mara, I have none of those options of the above. I am the leader! This is my blooming society, so I lug everything around, with two cars and one van and I am SO tired of that stress, of having to care for everyone, trying to make sure everyone is happy (mother hen syndrome) dealing with the rganisers, having essentially the responsibility, making sure the members deal well with the public, making sure I bought all the food, and usuallyending up paying lots out of my own pocket towards everything. Also, setting up 5 tents or so is NOT fun. I think I just had it with all the stress and responsibility I don't think that ANY members of ANY group/society realise HOW utterly stress and NO-fun their leaders are. I didn't enjoy a single event not ever with my society, not a single one other tan the banquet and the pirate fun. I was deeply depresed before every event and usually even worse after, because I was so exhausted, phyiscally and mentally. I think, quite honestly, that I pretty much had it. Burn out syndrome, badly. Nicole - working on a fantasy costume instead! Thanks to Teddy and all the other lovely people. :-))) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24204 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGR4MV004078; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGR2t8029638; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADGPxt8029056 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:25:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113162558.99433.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:25:58 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021111151519.M70311-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:25:58 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Drea Leed wrote: > Hello, y'all. > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > clothing in that movie was? Sorry Drea, didn't watch it, I usually shy away from costume films of my facvourite period because they usually make me scream in horror *L* (notable exception: Restoration) so I can't say anything about the costumes. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 11:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24412 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGpGMV006794; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGpFt8015643; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADGoZt8015244 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id gADGr4029929.; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:53:04 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:34 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gADGoZt8015244 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:00 +0000 Status: RO Is this the version with Alex Kingston as Moll? If so, it's several years since it was shown on British TV. I don't remember any problems regarding the costumes, but my memory of them is hazy. (I've visited the half-timbered house where some of it was filmed, in Ludlow, Shropshire.) Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com 11/13/02 04:25pm >>> --- Drea Leed wrote: > Hello, y'all. > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > clothing in that movie was? Sorry Drea, didn't watch it, I usually shy away from costume films of my facvourite period because they usually make me scream in horror *L* (notable exception: Restoration) so I can't say anything about the costumes. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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It's so silent... References: <20021113081906.28036.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:05:29 -0700 Status: RO Think it's just quiet right now, which is okay with me, 'cuz a couple of my other lists are just *exploding.* --sue N Kipar wrote: > > This is weird, no mails whatsoever since yesterday. Is it mailing list downtime > again? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 12:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24614 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHE8MV011143; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHE1t8000539; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHDTt8029908 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.10.283d7240 (3657) for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <10.283d7240.2b03e217@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.283d7240.2b03e217_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:55 EST Status: RO --part1_10.283d7240.2b03e217_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/02 6:14:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, drea@nospam writes: > Hello, y'all. > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > clothing in that movie was? > > Thanks, > > Drea > Drea, Which version was it? The one with Angela Lansbury? I have been looking for a copy of that for Angela's Files, but am having the worst time tracking it down. Kit --part1_10.283d7240.2b03e217_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/02 6:14:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, drea@nospam writes:


Hello, y'all.

I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the
other night, on Lifetime.  And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns.
Can anyone (Nicole?)  give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c.
clothing in that movie was?

Thanks,

Drea


Drea,

Which version was it?  The one with Angela Lansbury?  I have been looking for a copy of that for Angela's Files, but am having the worst time tracking it down.

Kit --part1_10.283d7240.2b03e217_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 12:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27702 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:43:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHh7MV016195; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:43:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHh1t8019827; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net (colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHfxt8019170 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E1F5E16000797 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003901c28b3b$fd6ff760$97725651@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: <3DCD3461.3060401@comcast.net> <3DD0C80F.8030009@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:42:08 -0000 Status: RO > > Linda J. Thompson wrote: > > > Cassandra, > > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a > > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the > > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I > > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, > > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list > > together and send them all at once. > Please, I would like to receive a copy of this too. Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 12:45:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27729 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:45:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHjAMV016568; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHj5t8021171; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHiIt8020626 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28648 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:51:16 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:51:16 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > I always wonder how short servants wore their skirts, as I struggle up > steep spiral stairs in castles, even with both hands free for my skirts. > Is anyone aware of any evidence, for 12th - 14th century? I just can't > imagine how they climbed with buckets of water or trays of food. You see a lot of pictures of women doing work with their outer skirts kilted up in some way, showing an underdress that's only ankle-length (or sometimes their single workdress kilted up, showing a chemise that's even shorter). There are several ways of showing the folds of the gathered part, but I think one useful trick is to wear a belt underneath the outer layer, and tuck some of the outer skirt into the inner belt. It would take some experimentation to find the best ways -- something I haven't played around with. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 12:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27738 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:46:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHk4MV016696; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHk2t8021791; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHjlt8021584 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021113174540.CRO2683.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:45:40 +0000 Message-ID: <006801c28b3c$7bafc290$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180607.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] Re: tired of reenacting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:45:40 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin + Mara" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) > I find that the events I enjoy the most are the ones with a _few_ tourists, > not too many, but ones that seem to ask intelligent questions > (mostly). That way I get a decent amount of time socializing with friends, > and not too much time answering stupid questions. I'm trying to figure out > how to drop the events that involve high 'stupidity' quotients. I'm exactly the opposite -- as someone who used to work Renaissance Faires, but now primarily attends vintage dance events, I miss having the audience because it forces people to (at least some of the time) stay in character. I find at balls and dances, beyond dressing up, people make little to no attempt at acting "historic"! Seems a bit of a waste, really, to get all dressed up and then talk about your job! One thing I don't miss as an ex-Faire person, though, is giving up 3 months of weekends... - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 12:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27813 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHr3MV017838; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHr2TZ026502; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADHq7TZ025908 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from darklord.com (adsl-64-160-39-43.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.160.39.43] (may be forged)) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gADHq4fj540584 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD2920E.DF886368@darklord.com> From: Lisa VandenBerghe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021113142032.4306.40463.Mailman@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: pattern upsizing instructions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:55:26 -0800 Status: RO Please send me a copy too! Thanks! Lisa VandenBerghe h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-admin@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Patterns for the mid 1600's (Dhannti) > 2. Re: fashion braces (Carolyn Kayta Barrows) > 3. Moll Flanders? (Drea Leed) > 4. Re: Tired of re-enactment (Robin Netherton) > 5. Re: Forehead cloth/cross clothes (Kevin + Mara) > 6. Re: Fripper's and second hand garb (Kevin + Mara) > 7. Re: costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a > Parasol?) (Kevin + Mara) > 8. Re: tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff (Deredere & Owen Iskander) > 9. Elizabethan shoes (Janet Davis) > 10. New exhibition devoted to Michelangelo and late Renaissance Flore (Linda Rice) > 11. Il Libro dell'Arte's online (Drea Leed) > 12. Re: costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) (Jean Waddie) > 13. Re: Wonderful photo exhibit (Jean Waddie) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:18:43 -0500 > From: Dhannti > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Greetings, > I have searched so many online pattern shops I think I am dizzy. > What I did discover there wasn't a place that had or sold ball gown > patterns for the mid 1600's. I found a big gap between 1600 and 1700's. > If anyone anywhere can point me in the right direction to locate a > pattern for the 1600's I would be forever in your debt. I gather from > this lack many people do not re-enact this time frame. Or I am not > looking in the right places. > > Thank you in advance, > Diana > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:27 -0800 > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion braces > To: h-costume@indra.com > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > I was just wondering, what sort of concessions do you make for your > > period clothes? (Any period will do.) > > > >I have a good friend who wants to return to the SCA (and eventually > >Regency/Victorian/Edwardian stuff as well) but she is now wheelchair bound > >and is having difficulty figuring out what concessions she will have to > >make for her old costumes. She used to try to be very authentic, and did > >almost strictly Elizabethan clothing. She wishes to continue both veins > >as much as possible. So I am trying to help her make adjustments. I told > >her I would ask this list, especially since we seem to be having this > >conversation anyway. > > > >Any help would be appreciated, since I am at a complete loss. > > Assuming she gets out of the chair to use the convenience, open up the > skirt seam all the way to the waist in back. The chair will cover > this. And remember, nothing lumpy to sit on or lean back against. > > The other suggestions I have read include making garments that are easy for > the wearer to put on, including large armholes and Velcro fasteners. She > may have to change to an easier-to-wear authentic period, like > earlier. (There's a book about clothing for the disabled somewhere - I've > read it but keep not buying it - which includes more ideas.) > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) > From: Drea Leed > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Hello, y'all. > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > clothing in that movie was? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:54 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > To: LIST H costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tired of re-enactment > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Melanie Wilson wrote: > > > >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment > > clues while still loving one's costumes? > > This has been an interesting thread. I have a slightly different > perspective on this, as I'm one of the very few (are there others?) on > this list who is primarily a historic costume researcher, and only > secondarily a maker of costumes. And I don't do re-enactment, theater, or > living history at all. > > But I started out in re-enactment. No, wait. I started out studying > medieval costume history on my own, in high school, in the mid-1970s, > because I thought it was cool, and I made dress-up costumes for myself and > my friends. When I got to college, I found both Renfaires and SCA, at > right about the same time, so I was delighted to have an excuse to wear > the clothing I'd made, and make more, and learn more about it. > > I was deeply involved in the SCA for several years (officer at local and > kingdom levels, deputy officer at national level), in several kingdoms. I > participated wholeheartedly in the entire experience, and I enjoyed the > opportunity to experiment with many different arts and crafts. (For those > who care, my Laurel is not in costume. I would probably not meet > requirements for a costume Laurel today, either.) This kept me very busy > doing very many things, and -- as time went on -- with less and less time > to do any substantive work in any one area I was particularly interested > in, because I was doing a lot of administrative stuff, organizing, > teaching. My costume work mostly consisted of making and teaching the same > things over and over. > > Then after one more house move and yet another kingdom, I found myself > busy with job and life and such, and I just never managed to get active in > the local group. I also found the opportunity to begin presenting papers > at academic conferences. And after a few years, I realized I had stopped > doing re-enacting without really noticing it. I was spending more and more > time on my costume research, which I had neglected for so long, and I was > still seeing many of my friends from re-enactment. But I had somehow > stopped bothering to go to events. It took me several years to realize not > only that I had quit, but that I hadn't missed it. > > Now I tell people I had to quit the SCA to find the time to do the things > I joined the SCA to do ;-) > > I tell this story sometimes when people assume I must have quit for a > reason related to the group -- politics, or burnout, or whatever. No, > I just got my activities in line with my priorities. > > I also found that once I recognized this consciously, I became a much > better costumer, and a better costume researcher, because I was no longer > focused on making costumes to wear to events. I do still make costumes, > but mostly for experimental purposes, not personal ones. So I don't think > anymore about whether something will look good with my facial structure or > coloring (which are not typical of the cultures in which the clothing was > worn), or whether I can wash it or pack it, or whether I can have it done > before some event. I make fewer clothes, and very few for myself, but > they're better in general, and I'm happier doing them. > > I also spend a lot more time researching costume issues that have very > little to do with making clothing -- e.g. the development of costume > history, or the use of costume in artwork in various periods. These are > things I just barely touched on when I was re-enacting and didn't have the > time or resources to pursue. > > Today, I love lecturing for re-enactment groups, because then I get to see > that people can use my findings. People seem to think it's very odd that I > don't want to "play" in the SCA anymore, and I periodically run into some > old friend who decides I must have left because I felt unloved or > unwanted, and that I must be miserable or unfulfilled without it, and that > if they push me hard enough I'll come back where I belong. Not likely. I'm > much happier doing exactly what I want to do -- in my case, focusing on > the development of body garments in a particular period -- without being > distracted by the need to assemble the complete kit I'd need to actually > re-enact that period. No more pavilions, dining ware, baskets, pouches, > camp furniture, etc. For that matter, I mostly ignore shoes, hose, > headgear, belts, jewelry, and other costume accessories that don't > influence the clothing issues I'm studying. These aren't my areas of > interest, and so completing a full outfit was always a nuisance for me. > When I got right down to what I cared about, I found I liked what I was > doing a whole lot more. > > Just another perspective. > > --Robin > who met her husband at a party for burned-out ex-SCA people, and who still > has a few boxes of long-unused feast and camp gear in the basement -- his > as well as hers > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:05:30 -0500 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: Kevin + Mara > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloth/cross clothes > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > At 07:18 PM 11/8/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >What is a kertch? This is interesting because (as I said elsewhere) I pin > >my wimple to my headscarf, to stop it blowing back. > > > >Jean > > A kertch (in 18th c. Scottish parlance) is basically the Scottish Highland > survival of the medieval wimple -- a large square piece of fabric, usually > folded diagonally to form a triangle. So, yes, same difference . > > -- Mara > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:10:49 -0500 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: Kevin + Mara > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fripper's and second hand garb > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > At 09:51 PM 11/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 11/8/02 4:56:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lindo@radix.net writes: > > > > > >>Well, maybe you could do what one of the fiber arts sites does -- host a > >>bulletin board where people can post big, cumbersome stuff like tents etc.? > > > > > >Yes, a bulletin board is better suited to this. I am somewhat new to who > >offers what. Which fiber site are you referring to so I can see who > >provides the service? Or can you suggest any well regarded bulletin board > >providers? I don't think anyone wants daily deliverys of what's for sale > >messages, but a place to quickly see what might be listed. Thanks for the > >suggestion. > > > >Lisa > > Well, I don't know of any software specifically, but I'm sure some of the > web sites out there that host bulletin boards (Muzzleloader Magazine has > one, I think) could tell you what software they're using. I think there's > good freeware available, for that matter... > > - Mara > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:16:13 -0500 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: Kevin + Mara > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a > Parasol?) > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > At 11:09 PM 11/8/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Did anyone else ever experience the I-am-deadly-tired-of-re-enactment clues > >while still loving one's costumes? > > > >Nicole > > Oh, yes... Well, one way to get through this is to have a private costume > party with one's friends, just to enjoy the costumes without the tourists ;) > > I find that the events I enjoy the most are the ones with a _few_ tourists, > not too many, but ones that seem to ask intelligent questions > (mostly). That way I get a decent amount of time socializing with friends, > and not too much time answering stupid questions. I'm trying to figure out > how to drop the events that involve high 'stupidity' quotients. > > I also find that if I have a ton of stuff to haul with me, it's not as > fun. If I can travel light, I do better. A 'common' persona helps this, I > think... It's so tempting to take everything plus the proverbial kitchen > sink to events, but paring down to the bare necessities helps one focus on > what's really enjoyable. And assigning myself some definable role or task > for the duration of the event helps, too, when possible. > > What do you think it is that bothers you most about the events you're going > to? What do you enjoy the most? > > -- Mara > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:21:19 +0100 > From: Deredere & Owen Iskander > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,,pattern stuff > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Please send me one too. > > Greetings, > Deredere > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ > > Linda J. Thompson wrote: > > > Cassandra, > > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a > > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the > > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I > > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, > > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list > > together and send them all at once. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Janet Davis" > To: > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:55:02 -0500 > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan shoes > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Usually, I don't do anything later than Tudor, but I found a really nice > "camp" (cotton) Elizabethan dress being sold as used garb at a reasonable > price. Now that the alterations are mostly done and I contemplate wearing > it next weekend, I realize I have no idea of what kind of shoes would be > appropriate. I'm not going to custom-made shoes for 1 dress - does anyone > have any thoughts on available modern shoes that would look okay? > > Janet > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Linda Rice" > To: > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:30:46 -0500 > Subject: [h-cost] New exhibition devoted to Michelangelo and late Renaissance Flore > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > In case anyone needs one more reason to head north next spring: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021111/ap_wo_en_po/a > rts_us_renaissance_art_2 > > CHICAGO - More than four centuries ago, a melancholy young nobleman from > the > Medici family, Francesco I, second Grand Duke of Tuscany, had a secret > chamber built at one of his palaces in Florence. He filled it with > exquisite > art works, jewels, natural curios and scientific specimens. > > Francesco spent days at a time hiding from the world in what he called > his > "studiolo" or study. Other rulers of the day who had similar vaults > called > them "wonder cabinets." > > The curators of an exhibition that opened Saturday at the Art Institute > of > Chicago, "The Medici, Michelangelo and the Art of Late Renaissance > Florence," devote a whole room to Francesco's wonder cabinet, but the > truest > wonders are in surrounding galleries: Art works created as the > Renaissance > was winding down in the city of its birth. > > These are not the more famous works of the Early or the High > Renaissance, > when Florence was a rowdy republic and the Medici were up-and-coming > bankers - quick with the moneybags, the daggers and the stuffed ballot > boxes. > > The exhibition, which runs through Feb. 2, covers the years from the > accession of Francesco's father, Cosimo I, in 1537, to the death in 1631 > of > Archduchess Maria Maddalena, widow of Francesco's nephew, Cosimo II. By > the > latter year, the Medici - and Florence - were in decline, and the city's > art > was reverting to an almost medieval religiosity. > > There are no da Vincis, Raphaels, Botticellis or Donatellos. Instead, > most > of the featured artists are from the later Mannerist school, which took > its > lead from the late works of Michelangelo. > > Most aren't household names. There are such painters as Jacopo da > Pontormo, > Agnolo Bronzino and Francesco Salviati, while the sculptors include > Baccio > Bandinelli, Vincenzo Danti and Bartolomeo Ammanati. > > But gallery-goers who demand star names needn't be disappointed. There > are > preliminary models for the most famous bronze by Benvenuto Cellini, > sculptor, goldsmith and all-around scamp, plus three sculptures and five > drawings by Michelangelo. > > One of the works on paper is the unsigned "Drawing of a Candelabrum," > discovered only this past spring in the collection of the Smithsonian's > Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum in New York. The drawing made > international headlines in July when it was identified as Michelangelo's > work. This is its first time on display outside New York. > > The largest and best-known of the Michelangelo works in the exhibition > is > the uncompleted "Apollo/David," whose twisting body seems to be breaking > free from the original block of marble. Like many of the 200 other works > on > display, this is the first time the sculpture has traveled outside > Italy. > Its dramatic pose and subtle physical distortions provide a good > blueprint > for the aims of Mannerism. > > Equally moving is the tiny wooden crucifix displayed nearby. The > 88-year-old > Michelangelo was whittling it just before his death in Rome in 1564. > > One of the most striking sculptures by Michelangelo's Mannerist > followers is > Bartolomeo Ammanti's monumental bronze of Hercules wrestling the giant > Antaeus. > > Among paintings on display, the many Bronzino portraits are justly > famous, > and sometimes subtly unsettling. But the best-known painting is probably > "Judith with the Head of Holofernes," by Bronzino's grandson, Cristofano > Allori. > > The exhibition, which was assembled by the Art Institute, the Detroit > Institute of Arts and a consortium of Italian museums, had its first > showing > at the Palazzo Strozzi in Florence earlier this year. Its only U.S. > showings > are at the Art Institute (Nov. 9, 2002-Feb. 2, 2003) and in Detroit > (March > 16-June 8, 2003). > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:45:58 -0500 (EST) > From: Drea Leed > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Il Libro dell'Arte's online > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Guys, > > Just stumbled across this: Cennino Cennini's "Il Libro dell' Arte" is > online! More interesting to illuminators than costumers, but there's still > some good recipes for buckram, etc. in here. > > http://www.noteaccess.com/Texts/Cennini/index.htm > > Drea > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:54:22 +0000 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: Jean Waddie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > Stevie Gamble wrote > >Jean wrote > > > >> Indeed - those who could afford clothing that would be seriously > >spoiled > >> by rain and mud could also afford not to go out in it. > >> > > > >I think that that is only partially so; if you are thinking in terms > >of the 'idle rich' then that may be accurate. But many of the rich > >weren't idle, and time, tide and the Armada were not minded to call > >the whole thing off so that the Lord Admiral didn't spoil his clothes. > >Nor would Elizabeth have abandoned her claim to possess the heart and > >stomach of a king of England at Tilbury for fear of getting wet, and > >on a rather less fraught occasion Raleigh really did blow a small > >fortune when he threw down his cloak for her to walk on. > > > >best wishes > >Stevie > > > Well, that's an even higher level of wealth - to be able to wear > brocades and satins, get them muddy and not care if they were ruined! > Where people were going to wear their best, things were often arranged > so they didn't have to get wet or step on the ground - stepping straight > from the carriage onto a platform, for example, or the development of > the porte-cochere. > > While we can't necessarily tell whether people had shorter skirts for > bad weather, I'm sure those who had to take care of their clothes had > simpler, more easily cleaned outfits for muddy days. > > I always wonder how short servants wore their skirts, as I struggle up > steep spiral stairs in castles, even with both hands free for my skirts. > Is anyone aware of any evidence, for 12th - 14th century? I just can't > imagine how they climbed with buckets of water or trays of food. > > Jean > > -- > Jean Waddie > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:21:59 +0000 > To: h-costume@indra.com > From: Jean Waddie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wonderful photo exhibit > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > It's interesting to consider how much looks wrong because we're not used > to seeing people photographed in movement, or in informal poses, and how > much, perhaps, because they haven't researched how people really moved - > through novels and etiquette books, etc. Some of them make me respond > "no nice girl would..." - stand with her hands on her hips, for example. > > It's the same with cross-cultural settings - things like not showing the > soles of your feet to people. Yes, everyone relaxes, everyone has to do > daily tasks, but there are cultural/time differences in the way they do > them, and the things which are acceptable or not. Probably the last > detail most people achieve in wearing historical costumes! > > Jean > > Kirrily Robert wrote > >Theresa wrote: > >> If I understand this site correctly, this pair combined efforts to pose > >> modern people in period clothing and historic sites? > >> > >> I'm a little conflicted about this agenda: on the one hand, the people > >> themselves _look_ modern, as do the poses (kind of that contrived > >> spontaneity thing popular in some photographers' studios), so are we, > >> the viewing public, supposed to understand it as a historically accurate > >> view of how people behaved in natural settings? > > > >Hrm, yeah, I agree that the people look modern. I find myself thinking > >"what is it that makes them look modern?" and seeing how I can apply it > >to my own costume-related activities. > > > >The things that stand out for me, are the childrens' hairstyles, the way > >people are standing/sitting with what looks like the wrong posture, and > >the fact that the photographs are sepia-toned and meant to look > >old-fashioned and yet they catch people in moments that would have > >looked like a blur using 19th century photography techniques. I thought > >that people sitting for photographs at that time had to stand totally > >still for quite a long time for the long exposures? > > > >K. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > End of h-costume Digest _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 13:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28094 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIX7MV026176; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIX25O024006; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIWt5O023915 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:32:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gADIWsnp024639 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery on19th century chemises In-Reply-To: <184.11bfde47.2b03049a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:32:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: (snip) > The ones I have taken are not sharp and unacceptable but from them I can tell > you'll be able to see each stitch, if I can get the camera to hold steady. > > More later.... > > AlbertCat...budding photographer Thanks for giving it a go, and good luck! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 13:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28283 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:44:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIi5MV027988; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIi15O001265; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADIh75O000804 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gADIh6np026074 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather In-Reply-To: <20021113161538.16772.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:43:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > You hit the nail on the head Mara, I have none of those options of the above. I > am the leader! This is my blooming society, so I lug everything around, with > two cars and one van and I am SO tired of that stress, of having to care for > everyone, trying to make sure everyone is happy (mother hen syndrome) dealing > with the rganisers, having essentially the responsibility, making sure the > members deal well with the public, making sure I bought all the food, and > usuallyending up paying lots out of my own pocket towards everything. Oh, wow... is there any way you can delegate some of this stuff? In the groups I'm with, we're all responsible for our own tents, we have pot-luck food arrangements (some coordinating between members before events to make sure the essentials are covered, but everyone brings some food), and you really ought to get other people to chip in monetarily. No reason you should finance everything! > Also, > setting up 5 tents or so is NOT fun. I think I just had it with all the stress > and responsibility I don't think that ANY members of ANY group/society realise > HOW utterly stress and NO-fun their leaders are. I didn't enjoy a single event > not ever with my society, not a single one other tan the banquet and the pirate > fun. I was deeply depresed before every event and usually even worse after, > because I was so exhausted, phyiscally and mentally. I think, quite honestly, > that I pretty much had it. > Burn out syndrome, badly. > > Nicole - working on a fantasy costume instead! Thanks to Teddy and all the > other lovely people. :-))) That's why I think I enjoyed St. Mary's so much -- I wasn't the leader; I showed up, was responsible only for my own role, gear, etc. I think that's why I like Market Fair so much, too -- same thing. I can show up as an individual and take care of myself, I don't have to worry about anyone else that much. If we coordinate beforehand just a little, we don't get three cook-pots and no fire irons; that works pretty well. What are the benefits/problems with having group-owned gear? I rather like being responsible only for my own tent... Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 14:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28446 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:15:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADJE5MV003674; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADJE05O020301; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12002.mail.yahoo.com (web12002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.210]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gADJDR5O019894 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:13:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.244] by web12002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:13:26 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] me too Linda Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:13:26 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Since I'm the one who started the questions about sizing I wanted to make sure Linda that you added me to your list of people for the scans. I e-mailed you off list but it came back as bounced so please add me in too. I also received no mailings from the list for Tuesday but just assumed everyone had been busy and not posted. How do you end the thread on blackwork doing the reversable Holbien stitch? On counted cross you can run the thread back under the row but that's not reversable, just tidy. Ditto for other crewel embroidery where the back doesn't show. Blackwork fiends please reply. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 16:37:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29629 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADLaAMV025661; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADLa1iY016898; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADLZIiY016532 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:35:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be96.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.150]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D1E1C480082 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:35:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c28b5c$b289c2a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000c01c28919$e2d6a260$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:36:16 +0100 Status: RO Dear Anne Moeller Sorry of the delay of my answer, i didnt se that you had asked me of something. You ask about the difference of the threads i use? Well the most beautifull of the threads, and the most luxurius of them all is the silk from Pipers in England. Their thread is so even and fine and it has the highest glossy shine of all the threads. But it is the thinnest thread you can imagine. You can make fine tulle net laces of this thread, and therefore it also is very very slow to embroider with. Eterna's silk floss is very lovely. It comes in more than 500 colours. I use this thread with the dress i am embroidering now. I use 2 threads, It is stranded with 12 threads so it is quite ekonomic to use. It glides trough the fabric very easy and i chose this thread because of the high colour amounts there is to choose from. Finally the silk chenille thread i use. I dont stitch trough the fabric with this thread, I only sew it to the fabric with another thread. It is because this chenille thread is like a hairy caterpillar, full of fur you could compare it to a pipe cleaner, just it has no wire in it. If i was as wise as i am now for 2 years ago, i would not have chosen pipers silk to embroider my suit with. It has taken me very very long time to make, and i realise now, that if i had chosen Eternas stranded floss in stead, i would have finished the suit much sooner. But isnt this life, you get wiser the older you get, and this is what life is about isnt it? Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress diary updated > HI Bjarne, > > I can't tell you how impressed I am with your wonderful embroideries. I > just wanted to know the difference between the threads you are using. I > have heard of this Eterna thread but never actually seen or used it. > Your impressions would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Anne (who > has been lurking on this site for over a year and is thrilled with all > the neat information and gorgeous garb) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 17:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29838 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADMD3MV029755; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADMD1iY009105; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADMC1iY008567 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5J006D6B7BBD@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated In-reply-to: <000801c28b5c$b289c2a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c28919$e2d6a260$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> <000801c28b5c$b289c2a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:46:44 -0500 Status: RO Is there a source for the Eterna silk in the US? Or is this something that much be ordered from england? Linda K-S At 10:36 PM +0100 11/13/02, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >Dear Anne Moeller > >Sorry of the delay of my answer, i didnt se that you had asked me of >something. > >You ask about the difference of the threads i use? >Well the most beautifull of the threads, and the most luxurius of them all >is the silk from Pipers in England. Their thread is so even and fine and it >has the highest glossy shine of all the threads. >But it is the thinnest thread you can imagine. You can make fine tulle net >laces of this thread, and therefore it also is very very slow to embroider >with. >Eterna's silk floss is very lovely. It comes in more than 500 colours. I use >this thread with the dress i am embroidering now. I use 2 threads, It is >stranded with 12 threads so it is quite ekonomic to use. It glides trough >the fabric very easy and i chose this thread because of the high colour >amounts there is to choose from. >Finally the silk chenille thread i use. I dont stitch trough the fabric with >this thread, I only sew it to the fabric with another thread. It is because >this chenille thread is like a hairy caterpillar, full of fur you could >compare it to a pipe cleaner, just it has no wire in it. >If i was as wise as i am now for 2 years ago, i would not have chosen pipers >silk to embroider my suit with. It has taken me very very long time to make, >and i realise now, that if i had chosen Eternas stranded floss in stead, i >would have finished the suit much sooner. >But isnt this life, you get wiser the older you get, and this is what life >is about isnt it? > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anne Moeller" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:32 AM >Subject: RE: [h-cost] dress diary updated > > >> HI Bjarne, >> >> I can't tell you how impressed I am with your wonderful embroideries. I >> just wanted to know the difference between the threads you are using. I >> have heard of this Eterna thread but never actually seen or used it. >> Your impressions would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Anne (who >> has been lurking on this site for over a year and is thrilled with all >> the neat information and gorgeous garb) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 19:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30458 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:23:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0L2MV011605; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0L0iY017113; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAE0KgiY017003 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:20:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10719 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-183.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.183) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD2EC06.2F7049FA@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's References: <3DD00293.9211F42E@inetone.net> <000d01c28b28$04808740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:19:18 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Dear Diana. > > I made a Dress for Nicole Kipar a coupple of years ago with real handmade > silverlace decoration on the bodice and the skirt. It was made after the > pattern in Janet Arnold's book Patterns of Fashion. > If you go here: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/pembroke.htm > you can follow how i made this dress from 1660. > And the finished dress is here: > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/cavalier.html > I was in awe when I frist saw that gown on Nicole on a website. I am doublly in awe of your creation from the lace to the gown. How I wish you lived nearby. I would love to learn bobbin lace. The pictures make it look easy but I know it is far from simple to do. Equally impressed. I think this is where I falls to my knees and chant I am not worthy. I am reading your website as I type this. I noted the dress from you have covered in rectangles of fabric. Can you explain what the are for? I have Janet Arnolds Book but my drafting skills do not exsist. is there a way to drape a muslin to get the required shape to make a mockup for a pattern? Or am I approaching this backwards? Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 19:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30520 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:34:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0Y5MV012681; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0Y1iY022250; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.24]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0XmiY022064 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 25056785 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c28b75$71b4bd20$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan shoes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:33:24 -0600 Status: RO Actually, IIRC, Mary Janes would work quite well - and they seem to be in fashion these days, so not too hard to find! Here's some sketches of actual and speculative shoes from earlier in Tudor England; one of those looks like MaryJanes. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SLIST5.HTM Drea has a great overview of the whole Elizabethan costume, including shoes (way towards the bottom). "Cecily has several shoes to wear. They all have thin leather soles and uppers of leather, velvet or other fabrics. They are lined with wool, taffeta and satin. Some are slip-on shoes, similar to modern espadrilles. Others look rather like modern mary janes, with a low-cut top and a strap across the instep." http://costume.dm.net/overview.html Hope this helps! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > I realize I have no idea of what kind of shoes would be > appropriate. I'm not going to custom-made shoes for 1 dress - does anyone > have any thoughts on available modern shoes that would look okay? > > Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 19:37:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30550 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0c2MV012968; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0c0iY023954; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAE0bpiY023890 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21953 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-183.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.183) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD2F009.ADBF6C55@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's References: <20021113160636.37426.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:36:25 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > Diana, I have to tel you that ther are NO commercial patterns available for > the mid 17th to late 17th century that I possibly know of, and I know a > hellofalot about this period. :-) > > You don't need a 'gown' because essentially, the 'gowns' of the period are > bodices and skirts, skirts are simple rectangles. I need to read more. I was told they were skirts attached to the bodices. Appreciate the information they were separate pieces. > > ..and that's where I personally fail utterly. Although you could also ask Sarah > Thursfield to make a pattern for you. I too have no skills in drafting patterns. How do I get in touch with Ms. Thurfield? > and a most beautiful dress it is! still the lovliest costume that i own, i feel > soooooooooooooo beautiful in it. *grins* > Nicole this new interest is partly your fault. I saw your pictures on a web site that someone sent me. I fell in love with the gown. BTW You look beautiful in the gown and the setting is a perfect backdrop. So you see how you have inspired my desire to make such a gown. I am a novice when it comes to creating a realistic period gown but I'll keep trying to make it as correct as I can. Now if only someone who could draft a pattern would do so commercially. Thank you for the inspiration. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 19:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30603 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0g2MV013260; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE0g1iY025633; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAE0ftiY025597 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:41:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24272 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:41:54 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-183.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.183) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:41:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD2F0F6.9DA4265E@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's References: <20021113.093817.-171571.2.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:22 -0500 Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > I have just received my order from 'The Merchant Venturers' who > specialize in doing Cavalier/English Civil War styles. The patterns are > dated from about 1625-1640 but could probably do for fashions thru the > Commonwealth. I haven't used any of them yet so I can't speak for easy of > use or fit, but I will let the list know when I try them. > Karen do they have a web site? If they do could you post it here? Thanks, Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 21:07:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30979 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:07:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE226MV018596; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE221iY023191; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE21wiY023175 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:01:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([80.6.56.44]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021114020157.SYYB10927.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:01:57 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) Message-ID: <3DD30410.7880.BE7051A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20021113161538.16772.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021111180607.04099d80@saltmine.radix.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:01:52 -0000 Status: RO On 13 Nov 2002 at 16:15, N Kipar wrote: > You hit the nail on the head Mara, I have none of those options of the > above. I am the leader! This is my blooming society, so I lug > everything around, with two cars and one van and I am SO tired of that > stress, of having to care for everyone, .... I don't think that ANY members of ANY group/society > realise HOW utterly stress and NO-fun their leaders are. I didn't > enjoy a single event not ever with my society, That does sound bad. We take turns "autocratting" events, so the burn-out level will never be as bad as that, but even so, the autocrat usually delegates lots of stuff. Once I got used to being the organiser, I could enjoy events I was running, and still stay in control. Can you not delegate things to others? Get person X to put up the tents, person Y to sort the food, and so on? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 21:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31125 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:44:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2e5MV020715; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2e3iY004923; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2dLiY004682 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.233.145.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.233.145]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18C9ua-0004FL-00; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:39:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Ending blackwork (WAS: me too Linda) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:30:14 -0800 Status: RO At 11:13 AM -0800 11/13/02, Cassandra wrote: > How do you end the thread on blackwork doing the >reversable Holbien stitch? On counted cross you can >run the thread back under the row but that's not >reversable, just tidy. Ditto for other crewel >embroidery where the back doesn't show. Blackwork >fiends please reply. I'm probably not "fiendish" enough, since I haven't tried this myself, but here's what I've watched people do. Some people do indeed just pick an area where there's a continuous line of stitching on the back, and whip over and over that line with their thread for a ways, then tuck it underneath and snip it off. This does mean that a few threads on the "wrong" side will look suspiciously double-thick, but often they're not too obvious unless someone is looking closely. The method I've been told the "real" experts use is this: bring the thread through to the "wrong" side, then push aside the thread of the next stitch on that side, and take three or four little teensy running stitches with your working thread directly _underneath_ the already existing stitch. Then clip off the end and let the stitch you pushed aside fall back into place. Supposedly this is enough to hold it firm, and with practice I'm told it's next to undetectable. (I do feel compelled to add, BTW, that according to the experts I hear talking, not nearly as much of the blackwork done in the 16th century actually _was_ reversible as we used to think. A lot of it could have a less neat and tidy back because it was lined with something else.) Hope this helps -- -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 21:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31133 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:45:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2eQMV020736; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2eNiY005042; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE2dMiY004691 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.233.145.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.233.145]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18C9ua-0004FL-00; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:39:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021113191326.45908.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Ending blackwork (WAS: me too Linda) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:30:14 -0800 Status: RO At 11:13 AM -0800 11/13/02, Cassandra wrote: > How do you end the thread on blackwork doing the >reversable Holbien stitch? On counted cross you can >run the thread back under the row but that's not >reversable, just tidy. Ditto for other crewel >embroidery where the back doesn't show. Blackwork >fiends please reply. I'm probably not "fiendish" enough, since I haven't tried this myself, but here's what I've watched people do. Some people do indeed just pick an area where there's a continuous line of stitching on the back, and whip over and over that line with their thread for a ways, then tuck it underneath and snip it off. This does mean that a few threads on the "wrong" side will look suspiciously double-thick, but often they're not too obvious unless someone is looking closely. The method I've been told the "real" experts use is this: bring the thread through to the "wrong" side, then push aside the thread of the next stitch on that side, and take three or four little teensy running stitches with your working thread directly _underneath_ the already existing stitch. Then clip off the end and let the stitch you pushed aside fall back into place. Supposedly this is enough to hold it firm, and with practice I'm told it's next to undetectable. (I do feel compelled to add, BTW, that according to the experts I hear talking, not nearly as much of the blackwork done in the 16th century actually _was_ reversible as we used to think. A lot of it could have a less neat and tidy back because it was lined with something else.) Hope this helps -- -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 13 23:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31474 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:17:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE3kDMV024392; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:46:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE3k1iY025880; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAE3jeiY025734 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCsp4Cpp0Np3EfkfeY0BsfUz4SMxShb5M6A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHJZFJXP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:44:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's Message-ID: <20021113.214542.-474927.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:45:41 -0600 Status: RO http://www.themerchantventurer.co.uk/Index3.asp On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:40:22 -0500 Dhannti writes: > > > seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > > I have just received my order from 'The Merchant Venturers' who > > specialize in doing Cavalier/English Civil War styles. The > patterns are > > dated from about 1625-1640 but could probably do for fashions thru > the > > Commonwealth. I haven't used any of them yet so I can't speak for > easy of > > use or fit, but I will let the list know when I try them. > > > Karen do they have a web site? If they do could you post it here? > > Thanks, > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 01:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31851 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE4X3MV025970; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE4X1iY009816; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.11]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE4W0iY009505 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.118.25.3] (HELO computerb) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 4732011 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:31:54 -0500 Message-ID: <023301c28baf$49cffba0$03197644@charter.net> From: "shavaylah" To: References: <106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc@aol.com> <003f01c28b2e$cb8a7340$9d02e10c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0221_01C28B6B.CA562540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:24:19 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0221_01C28B6B.CA562540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please add another copy for shavaylah@charter.net Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Cassandra, > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got = a=20 > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using = the=20 > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it = > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I=20 > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely = complicated,=20 > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list=20 > together and send them all at once. ------=_NextPart_000_0221_01C28B6B.CA562540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please add another copy for shavaylah@charter.net


Linda J. Thompson=20 wrote:

> Cassandra,
> When I took my pattern drafting = classes=20 at the rep years ago, I got a
> handout that showed  a = method of=20 upsizing a standard pattern using the
> industry calculation = method for=20 it. If you would like I will scan it
> and send it to you as an = attachment to your private email.  If I
> remember it is = about 2=20 or three pages.  Was not extremely complicated,
> and is = more=20 accurate than the split and spread method.
>
> If any on = else=20 wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list
> together = and send=20 them all at = once.


------=_NextPart_000_0221_01C28B6B.CA562540-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 02:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02950 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE5dmdX026629; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:48:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE4h4iY012666; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE4gLiY012427 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE4vHA0004461; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:57:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE4vGIv004459; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:57:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> <009101c28783$d11e88e0$0b1723d9@dan> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211132357.16334.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAE4gLiY012427 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:57:16 -0500 Status: RO On Tuesday 12 November 2002 04:54 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: > Stevie Gamble wrote [text cut here] > While we can't necessarily tell whether people had shorter skirts for > bad weather, I'm sure those who had to take care of their clothes had > simpler, more easily cleaned outfits for muddy days. > > I always wonder how short servants wore their skirts, as I struggle up > steep spiral stairs in castles, even with both hands free for my skirts. > Is anyone aware of any evidence, for 12th - 14th century? I just can't > imagine how they climbed with buckets of water or trays of food. One could always tuck ones skirts up, as you see in some miniatures depicting farm peasants (think Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Barry). -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 02:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17841 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:40:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE7d3MV001171; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE7d0iY029381; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE7c4iY029166 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:38:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-169.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.169]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAE7c4g22760 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:38:04 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c28bb0$bd1c7920$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: "H-Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:37:46 -0800 Status: RO I don't know if this is the proper forum for this, but I just put a Ren Faire Nobles Gown up for auction on e-Bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=981738242&ssPageName=ADME :B:LC:US:1 ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 04:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11432 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:01:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE925MV001983; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAE921iY017829; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAE91XiY017720 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:01:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:01:30 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an idea how to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or corny but does look similar to this: http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html I LOVE the Aachener Kaiserkrone of Karl der Grosse and would like to use the idea of it, but I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of realistic way. Any and all suggestions most welcome. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 06:08:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20430 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:08:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEB7AMV003277; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEB73iY013202; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEB6jiY013126 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21072 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 11:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.62]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Nov 2002 11:06:43 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c28bcd$f5d48f60$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <000c01c28919$e2d6a260$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> <000801c28b5c$b289c2a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:07:02 -0500 Status: RO > Is there a source for the Eterna silk in the US? Or is this something > that much be ordered from england? > I don't have the email or web site handy, but I went and dug out the box I have. When they started to carry it, they offered a large collection at a low price, that was certainly worth it! Sometimes I just like to fondle the 460 skeins that I have - of course, this love-to-touch is one of the reasons I bought the house I rent an apartment in. I didn't think that I would find too many places where I could have a very large room that is stuffed with fabric, and another bedroom just for sewing! It is carried by Yodamo Inc 2023 East Sims Way Suite 183 Port Townsend WA 98368 360-379-3250 Fax 360-379-2839 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 06:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20513 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBa3MV003801; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBa1iY019528; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEBZ9iY019352 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:35:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114113508.58191.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:35:08 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DD2EC06.2F7049FA@inetone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I am reading your website as I type this. I noted the dress from you > have covered in rectangles of fabric. Can you explain what the are for? *laughs* I can explain that too, Bjarne had to pad out the dress form because he had only made dresses for skinny people people. > I have Janet Arnolds Book but my drafting skills do not exsist. is there > a way to drape a muslin to get the required shape to make a mockup for a > pattern? Or am I approaching this backwards? I personally don't thionk that this works, because the shaping of the bodices is very characteristic, but Bjarne is the knowledgable one. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 06:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20563 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBn7MV004168; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:49:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBn3iY022627; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEBmOiY022482 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:48:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114114823.11548.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:48:23 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:48:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh, wow... is there any way you can delegate some of this stuff? In the > groups I'm with, we're all responsible for our own tents, they ARE my own tents...the problem is when there are people coming from the continent, they cannot carry tents. also, there is another member who is poor and can't afford one, which wouldn't be aproblem, but it is, because this year she didn't help at all, and I am sorry, but I am happy to lend a tent but am not happy when the person does diddly nothing to even put it up. *sigh* nope, I think it's not going to be done like that anymore. we have pot-luck > food arrangements (some coordinating between members before events to make > sure the essentials are covered, but everyone brings some food), and you we have a period food display, so unless someone goes and organises that... admittedly one other member had organised that once, but i felt so bad in the end, because he was the only one helping to organise really and practically, because he was the only one in england and the only one with his own tent etc. > really ought to get other people to chip in monetarily. No reason you > should finance everything! i try, but i never get everything covered. > anyone else that much. If we coordinate beforehand just a little, we > don't get three cook-pots and no fire irons; that works pretty well. well, the problem is that i own everything. all gear, all pottery, all tents (except one) all shelters, all furniture, all glassware, all fier equipment, all just about everything. pretty much all te others own is their costumes. admittedly, when they come by plane or train, that is pretty much what they can carry. anyway, i shall stop winging now, and start talking about historical costumes again. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 06:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20574 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBp2MV004206; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBp1iY023039; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEBo6iY022833 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:50:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114115005.11711.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:50:05 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001401c28bb0$bd1c7920$0100a8c0@gateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:50:05 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Uhm, I'm sorry Joan, but your images are broken. Nicole --- Joan Broneske wrote: > I don't know if this is the proper forum for this, but I just put a Ren > Faire Nobles Gown up for auction on e-Bay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=981738242&ssPageName=ADME > :B:LC:US:1 > > > ,%%%, > Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, > unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, > \_/\ @%%, > __@@" %%%--"""-.%, > /`__| \%% > \\ \ / | /'%, > \] | /----'. < `%, > || `>> > > || ///` > /( //( > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 08:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20944 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:00:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBY8MV003750; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEBY1iY019105; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEBXeiY019016 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:33:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114113338.18963.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:38 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DD2F009.ADBF6C55@inetone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I need to read more. I was told they were skirts attached to the > bodices. Appreciate the information they were separate pieces. You were told wrong I'm afraid. If I had known that you wnat to make a gown of the 1660s, you should have taken my costume class lessons. :-) > Nicole this new interest is partly your fault. *rubs hands and grins* we'll get you into the Baroque, kicking and screaming! I saw your pictures on > a web site that someone sent me. I fell in love with the gown. BTW You > look beautiful in the gown and the setting is a perfect backdrop. So > you see how you have inspired my desire to make such a gown. I am a > novice when it comes to creating a realistic period gown but I'll keep > trying to make it as correct as I can. Now if only someone who could > draft a pattern would do so commercially. There is, Sarah Thursfield, she of 'medieval tailor' fame. She made a couple of patterns for me so far. sarah.thursfield@btinternet.com Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 08:25:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21047 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDQ5MV006689; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDQ1PH015993; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDPQPH015863 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.175] helo=dan) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18CJzn-0000bj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c28be1$cd0737e0$af0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:29:03 -0000 Status: RO Nicole wrote: > Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an idea how > to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or corny but does > look similar to this: > > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > > I LOVE the Aachener Kaiserkrone of Karl der Grosse and would like to use the > idea of it, but I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of > realistic way. > > Any and all suggestions most welcome. There is a very large picture at: http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasium/bilderdaten/investitur/kaiserkr one2.JPG which lets you see a lot of the construction; this is one of my jewellery passions, almost as desirable as the coronal of Princess Blanche, so I have been collecting the wherewithal to tackle the project. In practical financial terms, copper covered by gold leaf is the way to go, and you can then use gold plated copper wire in different guages for much of the rest of the crown. Note that the pearls are drilled and attached with wires; half pearls weren't used till much later on, and, of course, all the stones are cabochons, and claw set. The metal panels look as if they are probably enamelled, but remember that the tesserae may be gems. Have fun! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 08:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21094 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECB2MV004785; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECB0PH027821; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECA8PH027598 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAECA803027597 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:10:08 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: <20021114051008.D19512@net.indra.com> References: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:10:08 -0700 Status: RO On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:01:30AM +0000, N Kipar wrote: > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of > realistic way. In the SCA, my kingdom has a set of crowns like this, which are actually hammered plates of metal joined together. Assuming you don't want to pay a jeweler that much money, I would suggest working from a base of stiff leather panels. You could cover them with some gold silk if you liked, or just decorate the leather. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 09:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21156 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECZKO3005089; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:35:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECX1PH003001; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECWkPH002922; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:32:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAECWjhf002918; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:32:45 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: f-costume@net.indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20021114053245.E19512@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] 2002 "Stuck at the Prom" contest winners Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:32:45 -0700 Status: RO Duck Brand duct tape has posted the entries and winners for its 2002 contest. All entries must be made from duct tape, and there are some really lovely historical, ethnic, and fantasy entries. The winners this year made Tudor. Start at http://www.ducktapeclub.com/prom/ and continue with the '2002 Entries' link. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 10:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21560 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:33:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEFWHuY001908; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:32:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEFW01H026251; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEFVM1H026003 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAEFVLk0021308 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's In-Reply-To: <3DD2EC06.2F7049FA@inetone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Dhannti wrote: > I have Janet Arnolds Book but my drafting skills do not exsist. is there > a way to drape a muslin to get the required shape to make a mockup for a > pattern? Or am I approaching this backwards? > > > Diana Hi, Diana, commercial paper patterns for home sewers didn't exist until sometime in the mid/late 19th century, though tailors did have some pattern guidelines and could work from a customer's measurements. So-- what I do when I'm trying to recreate a historical garment without a pattern to work from is drape it onto a dress form (or onto the person for whom the garment is being made). You can find instructions on Threads Magazine's web site for making a duct tape dummy (you'll need a friend to help you). For making period clothing, you'll want to have the dummy made over your figure while you're wearing a period corset. There are also some commercially available dress forms that can be adapted to period shapes (i.e., put your corset onto the dummy). I've had some problems with this -- I can't get my foam dummy to imitate my sway back and broad shoulders, and have to have muslins fitted further once I get them basically mocked up -- but it's a start. Anyway, what I do is place my copy of Janet Arnold on my sewing table so I can look at it while I'm draping; then I pin tissue paper (for the first draft, muslin for the second) to the dress form and mark/cut it until it looks like the shapes in the book. This is not that hard, once you try it and get the hang of it. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 10:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21600 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEFaG2G002407; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEF11PH014323; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEF0LPH014130 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.111]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CF0B263340 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:00:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002501c28bee$b38c7840$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <000c01c28919$e2d6a260$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> <000801c28b5c$b289c2a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:01:24 +0100 Status: RO Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ If you had looked more proper on my homepage, you would have seen a link on the bottom of the page to Eterna Silk. It is Threadexpress http://www.threadexpress.com/ I import from Nan Morisette. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Krecker-Schkred" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated > Is there a source for the Eterna silk in the US? Or is this something > that much be ordered from england? > > Linda K-S > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 10:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21613 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:40:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEFaG2M002407; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEb0PH005631; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEaCPH005327 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5K00LT5LUHIX@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3DD3B31F.7070701@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 Subject: [h-cost] Pattern upsizing instructions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: LindaJThompson@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:28:47 -0600 Status: RO Hi, I found my handout and will be dealing with it this weekend. Those that want the list must send ME email. DO NOT POST IT TO THIS LIST PLEASE. I will probably miss you. (I caught a couple, but not until I had already trashed ones before it).... Thanks -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 11:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21887 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:50:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGo4uY011775; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGo01H007975; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEGnF1H007555 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWpCN6IesejupjDNzUiGV8TaOEwgr17igEQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHLEAJZ7; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:48:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay Message-ID: <20021114.114622.-160407.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:18:40 -0500 Status: RO Nice gown, love the cat Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 11:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21894 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:51:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGoZuY011826; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGoZ1H008263; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEGnF1H007556 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWpCN6IesejupjDNzUiGV8TZZ/I2fq2xFLA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHLEAJ2A; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:48:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: <20021114.114622.-160407.6.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_6272.61fc.5dc2 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,28-30,31-32767 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:46:19 -0500 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_6272.61fc.5dc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I make dolls. Ok, that isn't the answer to your question, but give me a minute. (I also make costumes.) One of my more recent ladies was a fabric doll dressed in the coronation gear of QE1. The crown is not the same as Charlemagne's, but was still a little challenge. I bought a roll of flashing (the stuff they use on roofs) and cut the crown from that. Instead of dealing with solder or welding, I just punched some holes in it and wired it together and covered the wire with pearls and jewels after spraying it with gold paint. I see no reason why the Charlemagne crown couldn't be made from the same stuff. It is stiff enough to hold it's shape and thin enough to cut with scissors (NOT your good fabric scissors). A little sanding of the edges will smooth it enough to keep from cutting yourself and any wire will work for the filigree. Once the basic crown is done, spray paint it with a good gold craft paint. Gold leafing would be a chore on all that filigree, but would be spectacular. However, there are some really good paints available. Depending on how much money you want to spend, you can get semi precious cabs and cultured pears from several sources or you can go to the craft store and get the plastic "jewels and pearls". The pictures you will either have to paint yourself, have a friend paint for you, or print them out the right size and glue them on. Half the fun in costuming is trying to work out inexpensive ways of doing expensive things so that they look good. Enjoy Lalah Never give up, Never surrender ----__JNP_000_6272.61fc.5dc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        I make dolls.  Ok, = that=20 isn't the answer to your question, but give me a minute.  (I also make= =20 costumes.)  One of my more recent ladies was a fabric doll dressed in = the=20 coronation gear of QE1.  The crown is not the same as Charlemagne's, = but=20 was still a little challenge.  I bought a roll of flashing (the stuff = they=20 use on roofs) and cut the crown from that.  Instead of dealing with = solder=20 or welding, I just punched some holes in it and wired it together and = covered=20 the wire with pearls and jewels after spraying it with gold paint.  I = see=20 no reason why the Charlemagne crown couldn't be made from the same stuff.&= nbsp;=20 It is stiff enough to hold it's shape and thin enough to cut with scissors= =20 (NOT your good fabric scissors).  A little sanding of the edges= will=20 smooth it enough to keep from cutting yourself and any wire will work for = the=20 filigree.  Once the basic crown is done, spray paint it with a good = gold=20 craft paint.  Gold leafing would be a chore on all that filigree, but = would=20 be spectacular.  However, there are some really good paints=20 available.  Depending on how much money you want to spend, you can get= semi=20 precious cabs and cultured pears from several sources or you can go to the = craft=20 store and get the plastic "jewels and pearls".  The pictures you will= =20 either have to paint yourself, have a friend paint for you, or print them = out=20 the right size and glue them on.  Half the fun in costuming is trying = to=20 work out inexpensive ways of doing expensive things so that they look=20 good.  Enjoy
 
Lalah
Never give up, Never surrender
----__JNP_000_6272.61fc.5dc2-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 11:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21898 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGoduY011844; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGod1H008318; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEGnF1H007554 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWpCN6IesejupjDNzUiGV8TaYVka1s+fLrA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHLEAJZ9; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:48:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather Message-ID: <20021114.114622.-160407.5.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7-9,15-16,21-23 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:26:46 -0500 Status: RO <<>> It strikes me that you have let them run roughshod over you. You furnish everything, finance everything, and then do all the work. NOT! You furnish all that stuff, the least the rest of them could do is to put it up and help with the work. If you quit, they will find out fast enough how much they owe you. Let them wing it a couple of events and see if they aren't happy to do their share in the future. And as to a costume comment your pictures in the unbelievable gown Bjarne created were the inspiration for a doll I dressed recently. Of course, she is in red because that is my color, but I dream of being able to wear something as lovely as your gown. Fat old ladies don't wear that sort of gown well, but you sure do. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 11:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21947 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:56:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGt5uY012259; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGt11H010675; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGsl1H010479 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.a9.316a27eb (3866) for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.316a27eb.2b052f49_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:33 EST Status: RO --part1_a9.316a27eb.2b052f49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/02 3:57:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes: > Uhm, I'm sorry Joan, but your images are broken. > > Nicole > > --- Joan Broneske wrote: > I don't know if this is > the > proper forum for this, but I just put a Ren > > Faire Nobles Gown up for auction on e-Bay. > > > > Nicole, Just put in this much of the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=981738242 Kit --part1_a9.316a27eb.2b052f49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/02 3:57:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com writes:


Uhm, I'm sorry Joan, but your images are broken.

Nicole

--- Joan Broneske <unicorn@softcom.net> wrote: > I don't know if this is the
proper forum for this, but I just put a Ren
> Faire Nobles Gown up for auction on e-Bay.
>
>


Nicole,

Just put in this much of the link.

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Kit --part1_a9.316a27eb.2b052f49_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:01:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21976 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEKLQn007577; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDv1PH023990; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEDugPH023888 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:56:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114135641.28631.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:56:41 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c28be1$cd0737e0$af0823d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:56:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > > There is a very large picture at: > > http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasium/bilderdaten/investitur/kaiserkr > one2.JPG Super, thanks for that one! I have postcards at home, but online versions are always welcome. > which lets you see a lot of the construction; this is one of my > jewellery passions, almost as desirable as the coronal of Princess > Blanche, what does this look like? the name doesn't ring a bell. so I have been collecting the wherewithal to tackle the > project. In practical financial terms, copper covered by gold leaf is > the way to go, I actually don't want it to be gold but silver, also, I want the shape, but different stones and pearls. I was wondering of pewter could be an idea? I'd rather use silver metal sheet, but where to get something like that? and you can then use gold plated copper wire in > different guages for much of the rest of the crown. Note that the Now that's a great idea, I suppose there is silver plated wire about as well? > pearls are drilled and attached with wires; half pearls weren't used > till much later on, and, of course, all the stones are cabochons, and > claw set. Oh yes I know, rememer I COME from Aachen, I have seen the treasury at Aachen cathedral many times and also the treasures within the cathedral. It is so gorgeous close up, stunning and I love the roughly set stones, none of that finely cut business, I much prefer cabochons. Also, there are many stones being used which are drilled through, this s actually the main way stones and gems are which are used in the Kaisertreasures. They aren't fastened like that but must have been used initially for another purpose. Particularly striking in rock crystalsand the like. Then again the chancel has a Roman bowl in its centre, set upside down, a bowl cu out of a rock crystal. > The metal panels look as if they are probably enamelled, but remember > that the tesserae may be gems. > Have fun! Nah, no enammeling here, not even cold enamel, I want to keep it simple but the shape like the crown and from metal and not that horrid plastiline type stuff. Cheers Stevie Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:01:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21981 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEH13uY012930; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEH111H014116; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEH0U1H013797 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:00:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id JAA23061 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211141722.JAA23061@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Stevie Gamble" wrote: > Nicole wrote: > > > Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an > idea how > > to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or > corny but does > > look similar to this: > > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html [...] > There is a very large picture at: > > http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasium/bilderdaten/investitur/kaiserkr > one2.JPG > > which lets you see a lot of the construction; this is one of my > jewellery passions, almost as desirable as the coronal of Princess > Blanche, so I have been collecting the wherewithal to tackle the > project. In practical financial terms, copper covered by gold leaf is > the way to go, and you can then use gold plated copper wire in > different guages for much of the rest of the crown. Note that the > pearls are drilled and attached with wires; half pearls weren't used > till much later on, and, of course, all the stones are cabochons, and > claw set. > The metal panels look as if they are probably enamelled, but remember > that the tesserae may be gems. > Have fun! Okay, looking at the large photo, it _would_ be possible to imitate this look with brass filigree jewelry findings. Especially as so much of it is cabochon settings. I'd start by collecting glass and semi-precious cabochons first. The enamelled pannels can be imitated by using translucent paints covered with jeweler's epoxy (the brand I use here in the states is called Epoxy 330). As Stevie notes, the pearls are drilled, which reduces the number of stones you'll need to prong-set. If you're not going to do any soldering, use medium density fiberboard (MDF) as your backing plates and cover those with goldleaf. You should be able to glue the filligree pieces down, though you may need to use jeweler's epoxy to keep things in place (jeweler's epoxy does not yellow or turn brittle over time). Note that the pieces between each pannel are beads strung on wire. In fact, at the top of each pannel, I see a section of wire-wrap, a pearl, and what's either a round gold bead or a blob of gold solder. The cross and center arch are going to be the hard parts. I'd use a piece of brass strip behind the cross and run it all the way down the length of the backside of the supporting pannel. The bottom of the arch is strung beads again, but you could still use a brass strip for the foundation and simply cover that with the wired beads. The top edges appear to be patterned wire. You can either use wire gimp or patterned gold wire. I'd use gimp, both because it's cheaper and easier to attach. If done carefully, the results should not look naff. I've used similar methods for building stage costume pieces. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:11:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22031 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:11:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEKLQp007577; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDvDPH024058; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:57:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDuoPH023925 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:56:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a235.in-tch.com [66.62.107.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAEDfE922508 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:41:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD3ABB3.3EEAACDA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? References: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:57:07 -0700 Status: RO With metal? Seriously, though, it looks like a major, major project for a goldsmith/jeweler, no matter what metals you were working with. Gotta admit, though, I'm not picturing you wearing this with one of your lovely gowns ...... What do you want to use it for? --Sue N Kipar wrote: > > Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an idea how > to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or corny but does > look similar to this: > > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > > I LOVE the Aachener Kaiserkrone of Karl der Grosse and would like to use the > idea of it, but I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of > realistic way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22053 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEF32MV008366; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEF31PH015109; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEF2ePH014939 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [206.124.3.126] (p14.3c03.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.126]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18560 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:57:05 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <023301c28baf$49cffba0$03197644@charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120104431_44373_MIME_Part" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:33:38 -0700 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120104431_44373_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 11/14/02 12:24 AM, shavaylah at shavaylah@charter.net wrote: Please add another copy for shavaylah@charter.net Me too.. sylvia@ntw.net Thanx Linda J. Thompson wrote: > Cassandra, > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern using the > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely complicated, > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list > together and send them all at once. --MS_Mac_OE_3120104431_44373_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff on 11/14/02 12:24 AM, shavaylah at shavaylah@charter.net wrote:

Please add another copy for s= havaylah@charter.net

Me too..  sylvia@ntw.net

Thanx


Linda J. Thompson wrote:

> Cassandra,
> When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I got a =
> handout that showed  a method of upsizing a standard pattern usin= g the
> industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it <= BR> > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email.  If I =
> remember it is about 2 or three pages.  Was not extremely complic= ated,
> and is more accurate than the split and spread method.
>
> If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list
> together and send them all at once.




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"Dressing Renaissance Florence: Families, Fortunes, and Fine Clothing" by Carole Collier Frick. Here's a review I read of it: > I just devoured my copy of "Dressing Renaissance Florence: Families, > Fortunes, and Fine Clothing" by Carole Collier Frick. > > I'm extremely impressed. I think this book would make an outstanding > addition to any Italian persona's bookshelf. > > It is not about how to make Italian-persona clothing. Instead, it > focuses on how Florentines of the Renaissance used clothing to make > social statements. Along the way, it examines some things that > garbmakers would like hearing about (one table lists various color > combinations found in gowns and linings), but mostly, it's about the > sociology of fashion. > > Chapters: > > * Tailors and the Guild System > * Craftspeople (including how guilds were organized and the role > women played in these guilds, and a map of Florence showing where > guilds were located in town) > * Tailors in 15th-c. society > * Tailoring Family Honor (how Florentines viewed honor and how they > thought honor was expressed through clothing, and also how clothing > changed for various occasions like being in private or out in public, > or going to a convent or serving public office) > * Family Fortunes in Clothes (how much money got spent on it, and the > cottage industry in the selling of old clothes) > * The making of wedding gowns > * Trousseaux for Marriage and Convent (how they differed, and lists > of what went into each) > > And stuff about sumptuary law, information about layers of clothing, > types of dyes (and an examination of mourning clothes), types of > fabric, and clothes as depicted in art -- and how art might have > distorted how people really wore clothes. Embroidery is also covered - > - I learned a few things on every page, it seemed like. > > Needless to say, the painter Ghirlandaio features pretty prominently > here. There are also b/w repros of portraits, unfortunately not super > well detailed, but there are a few here I haven't seen before. There > are also appendices that are very useful -- lists of currency and > measures, categories of clothiers, yardage required for various > garments, glossaries of what yardage terms meant, and a HUGE glossary > of terms -- bigger than Herald's, I think at first glance. The > bibliography is extensive as well. > > It isn't a huge book, but it's very rich in detail, and the writing > is pleasant to read. I'd definitely recommend this book to anybody > wanting to immerse in the period. > > YIS, > > Vangelista di Antonio Dellaluna > Congrats, Carole! Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22075 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDg1MV007122; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDg0PH020034; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEDfpPH019988 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:41:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A837803FA; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:42:15 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:42:15 -0600 Status: RO Cut then out of heavy gauge sheet brass, with a jewelers saw(slow) or a spiral saw on a dremel/moto-tool(faster but less control). solder on the hinges you might see in the Middle eastern plaque dancers belts. Flexible crown... (or smaller rectangles of brass/copper prebent to the angle you need) quick and dirty- epoxy on the tumbled stones, less quick- epoxy on the settings(maybe bead end caps would do for the smaller ones) and then the stones very secure but slow, -solder on the settings and epoxy in the stones. hoping to be helpful, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:02 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an idea how to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or corny but does look similar to this: http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html I LOVE the Aachener Kaiserkrone of Karl der Grosse and would like to use the idea of it, but I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of realistic way. Any and all suggestions most welcome. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22082 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:17:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEr1MV008220; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEr0PH011412; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEEqhPH011284 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.111]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 125A92632B8 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:52:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c28bed$9f9446c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <3DD00293.9211F42E@inetone.net> <000d01c28b28$04808740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DD2EC06.2F7049FA@inetone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:53:41 +0100 Status: RO Hi Diana. Covered up in rectangels? What do you mean? Is it the bodice you refer to? The bodice is made of 5 pieces of fabric joined together. A center front part, two side parts and two back parts. I understand you really would like to make Janet Arnolds bodice? Since you are familiar with sewing, i could help you out and make a pattern draft for you after your meassures, but i dont do it for free, if you payed me a little, i would be willing to help you. The skirt you dont have to have a pattern for, because it is only shaped very little at the top, and it is very easy to make. It is the bodice, wich is rather tricky because of the low cut of the shoulders. Please let me know off list, if you are interrested. Bjarne > I was in awe when I frist saw that gown on Nicole on a website. I am > doublly in awe of your creation from the lace to the gown. How I wish > you lived nearby. I would love to learn bobbin lace. The pictures make > it look easy but I know it is far from simple to do. Equally > impressed. I think this is where I falls to my knees and chant I am > not worthy. > I am reading your website as I type this. I noted the dress from you > have covered in rectangles of fabric. Can you explain what the are for? > > I have Janet Arnolds Book but my drafting skills do not exsist. is there > a way to drape a muslin to get the required shape to make a mockup for a > pattern? Or am I approaching this backwards? > > > Diana > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 12:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22209 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:42:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEHf8uY017058; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:41:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEHf21H007432; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEHet1H007338 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.195.250] (as3-4-8.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.195.250]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAEHerw02108 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:40:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021114114823.11548.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021114114823.11548.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:36:33 -0800 Status: RO At 11:48 AM +0000 11/14/02, N Kipar wrote: >well, the problem is that i own everything. all gear, all pottery, all tents >(except one) all shelters, all furniture, all glassware, all fier equipment, >all just about everything. pretty much all te others own is their costumes. >admittedly, when they come by plane or train, that is pretty much >what they can >carry. > >anyway, i shall stop winging now, and start talking about historical costumes >again. :-) Nicole, you've got more right to winge than any ten other people I know, based on this description! But I suspect that one of the things that has gotten you into the position you're in is other people's simple inertia. As long as you're doing all this stuff, it's really easy for other people to take it for granted and not even realize how much work is involved. Give them a shaking up -- tell them that you're completely burnt out on shouldering so much of the work, and that if more people don't start pitching in _now_, they're going to have to pitch in and more when you quit. If that doesn't wake them up, then nothing will except actually quitting. Ok, so someone who's coming a long distance by train can't bring a lot of bulky equipment ... but they sure as heck can be there to unload and set up when you drive in! If you're supplying the vast majority of the physical gear, it seems to me that you ought to be able to expect the rest of the group to "pay their way" with labor at the event itself, to say nothing about sharing out the expenses more evenly. An awful lot of good-hearted people are simply sluggish about pitching in if it looks like the work is getting done without them. So stop making it happen without them. Tell them you've earned a vacation and let them find out first-hand how much you've been taking care of. And -- in the final analysis -- figure out what you _do_ enjoy, and make sure you keep doing that. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 13:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22333 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:16:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEI54uY019712; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEI521H021261; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEI4W1H020989 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-17.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.17]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAEI4Ug29739 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c28c08$405aba70$0100a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <20021114115005.11711.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:04:12 -0800 Status: RO That's odd, I just went to the link and the pictures showed up fine. Maybe try this - the auction # is 981738242 Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay > Uhm, I'm sorry Joan, but your images are broken. > > Nicole > > --- Joan Broneske wrote: > I don't know if this is the > proper forum for this, but I just put a Ren > > Faire Nobles Gown up for auction on e-Bay. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=981738242&ssPageName=ADME > > :B:LC:US:1 > > > > > > ,%%%, > > Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, > > unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, > > \_/\ @%%, > > __@@" %%%--"""-.%, > > /`__| \%% > > \\ \ / | /'%, > > \] | /----'. < `%, > > || `>> > > > || ///` > > /( //( > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 13:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22389 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIQ5uY022187; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIQ11H003975; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIPu1H003904 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:25:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA23763 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211141847.KAA23763@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO 20Kipar?= wrote: > > I actually don't want it to be gold but silver, also, I want the shape, but > different stones and pearls. I was wondering of pewter could be an idea? I'd > rather use silver metal sheet, but where to get something like that? Jeweler's supply. Expect to pay a lot of money for it, though. Those are going to be awfully big sheets. Also expect it to bend easily, since silver is _very_ soft. > and you can then use gold plated copper wire in > > different guages for much of the rest of the crown. Note that the > > Now that's a great idea, I suppose there is silver plated wire about as well? It exists, but is harder to find. Most people use sterling silver wire and work harden it. For something like this, I think you're stuck with using half-hard unless you're willing to anneal it in a kiln. Or, you could go back to my suggestion of using silver gimp or bullion with a nickel wire put down the core for support. If you're going to use a kiln, then consider using that to fuse the filligree cabochon settings, as well. That's actually pretty close to how much of the granulated goldwork and silver niello were done. > > pearls are drilled and attached with wires; half pearls weren't used > > till much later on, and, of course, all the stones are cabochons, and > > claw set. > > Oh yes I know, rememer I COME from Aachen, I have seen the treasury at Aachen > cathedral many times and also the treasures within the cathedral. It is so > gorgeous close up, stunning and I love the roughly set stones, none of that > finely cut business, I much prefer cabochons. Also, there are many stones being > used which are drilled through, this s actually the main way stones and gems > are which are used in the Kaisertreasures. They aren't fastened like that but > must have been used initially for another purpose. A lot of the amethyst and rock crystal stones may have been necklace beads at one time. I know the anglo-saxons were especially fond of those combined with gold wire beads. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 13:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22433 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:35:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIZ4uY023039; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIZ21H008846; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIYI1H008347 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from JAzo478796@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1c8.197b98e (4222) for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: JAzo478796@aol.com Message-ID: <1c8.197b98e.2b054660@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c8.197b98e.2b054660_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 Subject: [h-cost] established apparel/textiles writer looking for research/writing work Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:33:04 EST Status: RO --part1_1c8.197b98e.2b054660_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a New York-based writer actively looking for research/writing/proofreading work in the field of textiles and the history of apparel/costumes. 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I'm also an avid hobby weaver and a college writing instructor able to translate French, and I'm particularly personally interested in the study of historical textiles and costume.  My editors find me adept at conceiving, writing and researching well-written stories on tight deadlines and I enjoy strong, loyal, long-term relationships with my editors - who seem to be quite pleased with my work over a period of many years.  I'm reliable, professional, mature and consistent, and I'm a stickler for good grammar and meeting deadlines. I'm actively looking for freelance, part-time or fu! ll-time writing work and I'd love to hear from anybody who needs a professional writer.
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--part1_1c8.197b98e.2b054660_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 13:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22446 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:37:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIaBuY023158; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:36:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIaB1H009504; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:36:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEIZn1H009238 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:35:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114183547.77643.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:35:47 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021114.114622.-160407.4.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > Nice gown, love the cat Ahhhh I found the problem now, it works in evil Internet Explorer but not in Netscape! Lovely gown, great cat indeed, and oh my, if I had those measurements I would bid on it. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 13:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22490 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIl3uY024376; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIl11H015477; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEIkm1H015352 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03081 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:53:51 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book In-Reply-To: <20021114100546.P20091-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:53:51 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > Hey there, list. While wandering around the web, I discovered that > one of our listmembers has a new book published! > > "Dressing Renaissance Florence: Families, Fortunes, and Fine Clothing" > by Carole Collier Frick. Here's a review I read of it: Carole Collier Frick is a listmember? I posted a few months ago about a lecture she gave here in St. Louis at the Gentilischi exhibit, and also posted separately about the book (post of Aug. 9 titled "Frick on Renaissance Florence"). No one said anything at the time ... now I will be more careful to read the Italian Ren threads, which I don't always follow. Carole, if I knew you were a listmember, I would have said hi after the lecture. Thanks for an enjoyable time. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 14:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22649 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJ47uY026070; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJ431H025021; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEJ2u1H024445 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:02:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 48329 invoked by uid 1005); 14 Nov 2002 19:02:48 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.45297 secs); 14 Nov 2002 19:02:48 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.45297 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 19:02:48 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021114140115.Y20091-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:02:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I remember saving a post she made to the list a while back (about gamurras.) I unsubscribed for half of August, & so didn't see the posting about her book. I just ordered it, though, and am looking forward to it. :) Drea On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > > > Hey there, list. While wandering around the web, I discovered that > > one of our listmembers has a new book published! > > > > "Dressing Renaissance Florence: Families, Fortunes, and Fine Clothing" > > by Carole Collier Frick. Here's a review I read of it: > > Carole Collier Frick is a listmember? I posted a few months ago about a > lecture she gave here in St. Louis at the Gentilischi exhibit, and also > posted separately about the book (post of Aug. 9 titled "Frick on > Renaissance Florence"). No one said anything at the time ... now I will be > more careful to read the Italian Ren threads, which I don't always follow. > > Carole, if I knew you were a listmember, I would have said hi after the > lecture. Thanks for an enjoyable time. > > --Robin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 14:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22706 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJE2uY027278; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJE01H000608; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJDI1H000144 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03316 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:20:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book In-Reply-To: <20021114140115.Y20091-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:20:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > I unsubscribed for half of August, & so didn't see the posting about her > book. Ah, Drea, see what you miss when you leave us for even a little while? ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 14:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22854 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJmTuY000603; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:48:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEJmO1H018680; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:48:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEJlf1H018269 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17071 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 19:47:40 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-206.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.206) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 19:47:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD3FD8D.609D032@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's References: <20021114113338.18963.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:46:21 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > you should have taken my costume class lessons. :-) > You had a class? Ok I am ready for your next one. But beware. I love asking questions. Seriously when is your next class? As far as kicking and screaming goes I'll but up a good front so all think I resisted. LOL I'll contact Sarah about the pattern too. Thank you very much. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 15:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23188 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKjBuY006096; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKj21H018552; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21402.mail.yahoo.com (web21402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.72]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEKix1H018505 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:44:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021114204458.26493.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.121] by web21402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:44:58 PST From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Nicole, I have to agree with Heather. I'm not quite as completely kitted out as you now, but I'm getting back up there, especially in the kitchen department. The groups I camp with are a bit more self-sustaining since they don't have to bus or train to the events, although I have a couple of bikers. They also formed the group before I joined, and the leaders are gleefully 'blaming' me for the ascent into authenticity. *joking grin* They're a great set of people, with a three Captain leadership, but getting them started on things is a trial. The group always wants to have a joint kitchen or such, but until I actually post the menu and costs with "here's the deadline, speak up or fend for yourself," they don't commit to camping at the event or say what they'd like! Everyone wanted one, but no one was willing to be the first to speak up. Use whatever communication method you have set up for your group and tell them much of what you've told us! Point out that it's a joy to be involved in the recreation, but the work and financial lay-out is beginning to overwhelm you. Give some suggestions on what could help with that...a contribution per event, people helping with set-up, tear-down and kitchen maintenance, maybe others who are closer to you could help with any outside maintenance on the gear or prepwork on food? Ask them for other suggestions too, they may have some ideas especially appropriate to your reinactment society as opposed to my SCA knowledge. If appropriate, give an example of what it cost you in time and finances for a couple of events. Like Heather said, they may not have even thought about what it was taking for you to provide for them, or to volunteer to help, since it was getting done without them saying anything. Now for the obligatory costume content...I too am being led into the dark side of costuming....as in Victorian, Edwardian, and 1660's. I'm ordering books from Lavolta press this week and will be looking for fabrics in LA on the 2nd next month. Jonnalyhn/Angharat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 15:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23193 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKm1uY006312; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKm01H020081; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKlQ1H019770 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.33.229]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5L003T332ZAM@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:25 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? In-reply-to: <20021114090130.99745.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021114121844.04d84440@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:18 -0800 Status: RO >Okay... I know this is highly ambitious, but... does anyone have an idea how >to possibly achieve to make something that doesn't look naff or corny but does >look similar to this: > >http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > >I LOVE the Aachener Kaiserkrone of Karl der Grosse and would like to use the >idea of it, but I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of >realistic way. Your crown, will it be for SCA, for stage, or what? >Any and all suggestions most welcome. I made a reliquary once. I used the thin wood from fruit crates as a base, then decorated that. I used bits cut from metallic gold paper doilies for gem settings. For gems I used those glass blobs stained glass window folks use (glass fake gems are period), with the shiny side of aluminum foil behind each one (I think backing gems with shiny foil is period). I used pearl beads for pearls (fake pearls are at least Elizabethan, maybe earlier), stuck on with long metal sewing pins so the pinheads showed (another period trick). More of the gold doilies went for filigree, with plain 'gold' foil underneath to cover every surface that wasn't jeweled. You could string 'gold' seed beads for the edges. Sometime after I made this reliquary, I needed money, and someone who had admired it bought it from me (yet another period concept). In the first Indiana Jones film, their Ark of the Covenant was first spray painted gold, then Varathaned (I suppose any shiny finish would do). It gave the piece the right colour, and the right shinyness. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 15:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23210 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:50:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKoGuY006514; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKoC1H021174; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEKnb1H020884 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.175] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18CQvf-000198-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:49:36 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c28c1f$daa02b80$af0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <200211141722.JAA23061@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:53:15 -0000 Status: RO Lee wrote: > The cross and center arch are going to be the hard parts. I'd use a piece > of brass strip behind the cross and run it all the way down the length of > the backside of the supporting pannel. The bottom of the arch is strung > beads again, but you could still use a brass strip for the foundation > and simply cover that with the wired beads. Indeed so, this is a very practical method, but the reason I suggested copper, rather than brass, is that it is a lot easier for the novice metal-worker to use. Brass is not user friendly, and work hardens at the blink of an eye. You can heat patinate copper easily in an ordinary domestic oven to a yellow gold colour, but if that is inconvenient then the best option, I think, would be to use gilding metal, which usually can be bought anyplace copper, brass etc sheet metal is sold, and is almost as easy to work with as copper is. You can find just about any wire at http://www.wires.co.uk/ and if you are lucky they may still be doing the special offer on gold-plated copper wire at http://www.wires.co.uk/acatalog/SPECIAL_OFFERS.html I myself hanker after the finances to buy lots of their pure silver plated with pure gold, but that's another story... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23306 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:14:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEL43uY007827; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEL411H028811; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAEL3L1H028469 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5202 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 21:03:20 -0000 Received: from dap-208-166-66-234.erie-tnt-1.pa.erie.net (HELO bookbusiness) (208.166.66.234) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 21:03:20 -0000 From: "Janet Davis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021114183547.77643.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:03:28 -0500 Status: RO Lovely gown, great cat indeed, and oh my, if I had those measurements I would bid on it. My sentiments exactly! Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23437 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELY5uY010891; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELY31H015350; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.198]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELX81H014741 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:33:02 -0800 Received: from 65.70.197.45 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:33:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.45] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2002 21:33:02.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[69574200:01C28C25] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:33:02 +0000 Status: RO My husband surprised me with my copy, and it's definitely worth looking forward to! Mary/Katerine >I remember saving a post she made to the list a while back (about >gamurras.) > >I unsubscribed for half of August, & so didn't see the posting about her >book. I just ordered it, though, and am looking forward to it. :) > >Drea > >On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > > > > > Hey there, list. While wandering around the web, I discovered that > > > one of our listmembers has a new book published! > > > > > > "Dressing Renaissance Florence: Families, Fortunes, and Fine Clothing" > > > by Carole Collier Frick. Here's a review I read of it: > > > > Carole Collier Frick is a listmember? I posted a few months ago about a > > lecture she gave here in St. Louis at the Gentilischi exhibit, and also > > posted separately about the book (post of Aug. 9 titled "Frick on > > Renaissance Florence"). No one said anything at the time ... now I will >be > > more careful to read the Italian Ren threads, which I don't always >follow. > > > > Carole, if I knew you were a listmember, I would have said hi after the > > lecture. Thanks for an enjoyable time. > > > > --Robin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:37:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23459 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELb7uY011190; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELb61H017081; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:37:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELaZ1H016774 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.175] helo=dan) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18CRf8-0004iE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:36:34 +0000 Message-ID: <004c01c28c26$6a739200$af0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021114135641.28631.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:40:12 -0000 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >>this is one of my >> jewellery passions, almost as desirable as the coronal of Princess >> Blanche, > what does this look like? the name doesn't ring a bell. Beautiful! I haven't been able to track down an image on the net, but I'll see if I can get a book out of the library next time I'm there, so I can point you in the right direction. > I actually don't want it to be gold but silver, also, I want the shape, but > different stones and pearls. I was wondering of pewter could be an idea? I'd > rather use silver metal sheet, but where to get something like that? Well, I do it by getting the tube to Farringdon and wandering up to Hatton Garden, but I'm not well up on your part of the world, and have got no idea where you might get it. If you look in your local yellow pages you may find a bullion dealer; if that doesn't work e-mail me off list. > Now that's a great idea, I suppose there is silver plated wire about as well? Yes; also at http://www.wires.co.uk/ > > The metal panels look as if they are probably enamelled, but remember > > that the tesserae may be gems. > > Have fun! > > Nah, no enammeling here, not even cold enamel, I want to keep it simple but the > shape like the crown and from metal and not that horrid plastiline type stuff. It is a lovely shape, and I agree on the cold-enammeling. It gets very tatty very quickly, from what I'm told:-( best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23475 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELa0uY011061; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELa01H016430; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELZX1H016122 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:35:28 -0800 Received: from 65.70.197.45 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:35:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.45] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress diary updated Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2002 21:35:28.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0140010:01C28C25] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:35:28 +0000 Status: RO http://www.eternasilk.com They have a list of retail sources on the site. Mary/Katerine > > Is there a source for the Eterna silk in the US? Or is this something > > that much be ordered from england? > > > >I don't have the email or web site handy, but I went and dug out the box I >have. When they started to carry it, they offered a large collection at a >low price, that was certainly worth it! Sometimes I just like to fondle >the 460 skeins that I have - of course, this love-to-touch is one of the >reasons I bought the house I rent an apartment in. I didn't think that I >would find too many places where I could have a very large room that is >stuffed with fabric, and another bedroom just for sewing! > >It is carried by >Yodamo Inc >2023 East Sims Way Suite 183 >Port Townsend >WA 98368 >360-379-3250 Fax 360-379-2839 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23500 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELeAuY011512; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELe81H018811; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com (mta01bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELdg1H018547 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.78]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H5L5HZ00.8W3 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:39:35 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.212 ([203.54.114.212]) by bwmam04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 29/59968741); 15 Nov 2002 07:39:56 Message-ID: <3DD5074A.826AC6E@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns for the mid 1600's References: <20021114113508.58191.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:40:10 -0800 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > > I have Janet Arnolds Book but my drafting skills do not exsist. is there > > a way to drape a muslin to get the required shape to make a mockup for a > > pattern? Or am I approaching this backwards? > > I personally don't thionk that this works, because the shaping of the bodices > is very characteristic, but Bjarne is the knowledgable one. > When I made a 1660's gown I had no other clothing from this period to base it on so I fitted the bodice over my 16th century corset. I realise that this isn't quite the right shape, but I figured that this was just to make sure it would fit right and give a roughly conical shape and the different seam lines and boning patterns of the bodice would give it a more appropriate shape for the period. I actually created the pattern using elements of bodices from Norah Waugh and Janet Arnold, sizing it up, so I had the rough shape and then put it over the corset. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 16:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23549 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELw3uY013173; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELw11H028016; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from einsteinium (einsteinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAELve1H027827 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:57:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-8-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.8.175] helo=dan) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18CRzX-0006rJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:57:39 +0000 Message-ID: <008001c28c29$5c9c7360$af0823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:01:18 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I've just been having great fun looking at the 2002 Online Costume ball, and got to the "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" costume, (Group 8, guest 29). It's beautiful, but I can't stop giggling; my brain keeps substituting Teddy's Custard Tart Costume instead. I think maybe I should go and have a cup of coffee... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 17:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23590 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEM6BuY014027; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:06:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEM691H002647; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from indiego.ntw.net (IDENT:root@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEM5r1H002483 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:05:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [206.124.5.103] (p39.3c07.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.5.103]) by indiego.ntw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18985 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:00:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern upsizing instructions From: sylvia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DD3B31F.7070701@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:43:44 -0700 Status: RO on 11/14/02 7:28 AM, Linda J. Thompson at LindaJThompson@comcast.net wrote: > Hi, > I found my handout and will be dealing with it this weekend. > > Those that want the list must send ME email. DO NOT POST IT TO THIS LIST > PLEASE. I will > probably miss you. (I caught a couple, but not until I had already trashed > ones before > it).... > > Thanks I would love one. Sylvia Rognstad -- Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 17:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23620 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:13:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMD2uY014748; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMD01H006551; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMCL1H006124 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18CSDg-000EpD-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:12:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie References: <007701c287c9$bdd00ca0$0b7f4ed5@pavilion> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] costume in art / Flemish masters Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:20:02 +0000 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote >I also spend a lot more time researching costume issues that have very >little to do with making clothing -- e.g. the development of costume >history, or the use of costume in artwork in various periods. These are >things I just barely touched on when I was re-enacting and didn't have the >time or resources to pursue. > Now here's an opportunity to ask a question, and it touches on capes/cloaks as well. We just got back from a week in Bruges - lucky me! Lots and lots of gorgeous 15th century Flemish altarpieces, especially Memling. Almost all of them feature the Virgin Mary and/or other female saints. They generally have huge amounts of skirt spread about them, but also, very commonly, an enveloping cloak that drapes over the head (or behind the head, in a way that can't possibly hold if she moves) round the body, often over the knees and puddles on the floor. Obviously, the Virgin is dressed very richly, but I'm wondering if this is realistic, or just an artistic opportunity to play with colour effects on great swathes of fabric? Do we have any evidence whether Flemish nobility wore large cloaks, indoors, in this way? It also seems that the donors are always dressed in a different style from the saints, and to me it looks earlier than the saints. The saints have brocade gowns, fitted smoothly to the waist and then flared, with a fancy girdle at waist or slightly lower. Necklines are not very visible. The donors are almost always in V-necked gowns, dark with a white trim on the V, and flowerpot hennin. I wonder if the donors are dressed in a modest, self-effacing older style, while the saints are in the height of fashioin, or have I got my styles mixed up? I am also chasing down a 16th-century Descent from the Cross, with Mary Magdalene wearing the most outlandish hat I have ever seen! Watch this space. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 17:30:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23715 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:30:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMU5uY016623; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMU31H015699; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMTC1H015234 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A3CD13051A; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:29:33 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021114135641.28631.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:29:33 -0600 Status: RO Nicole- I have a jpg of this coronet- from a research project on medieval gemstones, shall I send it to you? Thought I would ask before I dumped a suspicious attachment into your e-mail box. Betsy Marshall -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:57 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > > There is a very large picture at: > > http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasium/bilderdaten/investitur/kaiserkr > one2.JPG Super, thanks for that one! I have postcards at home, but online versions are always welcome. > which lets you see a lot of the construction; this is one of my > jewellery passions, almost as desirable as the coronal of Princess > Blanche, what does this look like? the name doesn't ring a bell. so I have been collecting the wherewithal to tackle the > project. In practical financial terms, copper covered by gold leaf is > the way to go, I actually don't want it to be gold but silver, also, I want the shape, but different stones and pearls. I was wondering of pewter could be an idea? I'd rather use silver metal sheet, but where to get something like that? and you can then use gold plated copper wire in > different guages for much of the rest of the crown. Note that the Now that's a great idea, I suppose there is silver plated wire about as well? > pearls are drilled and attached with wires; half pearls weren't used > till much later on, and, of course, all the stones are cabochons, and > claw set. Oh yes I know, rememer I COME from Aachen, I have seen the treasury at Aachen cathedral many times and also the treasures within the cathedral. It is so gorgeous close up, stunning and I love the roughly set stones, none of that finely cut business, I much prefer cabochons. Also, there are many stones being used which are drilled through, this s actually the main way stones and gems are which are used in the Kaisertreasures. They aren't fastened like that but must have been used initially for another purpose. Particularly striking in rock crystalsand the like. Then again the chancel has a Roman bowl in its centre, set upside down, a bowl cu out of a rock crystal. > The metal panels look as if they are probably enamelled, but remember > that the tesserae may be gems. > Have fun! Nah, no enammeling here, not even cold enamel, I want to keep it simple but the shape like the crown and from metal and not that horrid plastiline type stuff. Cheers Stevie Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 17:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23720 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMX1uY016928; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMX11H017328; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEMW71H016846 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18CSWs-000IqO-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:32:07 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather(was: Flying with a Parasol?) References: <3DCBF81A.4020207@misc.com> <009101c28783$d11e88e0$0b1723d9@dan> <200211132357.16334.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200211132357.16334.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:30:55 +0000 Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote >On Tuesday 12 November 2002 04:54 pm, Jean Waddie wrote: >> Stevie Gamble wrote > >[text cut here] > >> While we can't necessarily tell whether people had shorter skirts for >> bad weather, I'm sure those who had to take care of their clothes had >> simpler, more easily cleaned outfits for muddy days. >> >> I always wonder how short servants wore their skirts, as I struggle up >> steep spiral stairs in castles, even with both hands free for my skirts. >> Is anyone aware of any evidence, for 12th - 14th century? I just can't >> imagine how they climbed with buckets of water or trays of food. > >One could always tuck ones skirts up, as you see in some miniatures depicting >farm peasants (think Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Barry). > You start to wonder, when did they ever let their skirts down? I suppose they were quicker at it, but it does take a minute to kirtle them securely. But then, I do know some folk/peasant costumes where the standard version is with the top skirts tucked up, and they really only wear them down for Sundays and festivals. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 18:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24032 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENO2uY021413; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENO01H012557; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENNn1H012445 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A084B9A00286; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:23:48 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A08425E70236; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:23:48 -0600 Message-ID: <004801c28c34$df5b8420$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <008001c28c29$5c9c7360$af0823d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:23:42 -0500 Status: RO Stevie, That none-tart Guest is a h-costume member.... guess who! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" > Hi all, > > I've just been having great fun looking at the 2002 Online Costume > ball, and got to the > > "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" > > costume, (Group 8, guest 29). It's beautiful, but I can't stop > giggling; my brain keeps substituting Teddy's Custard Tart Costume > instead. I think maybe I should go and have a cup of coffee... > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 19:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24480 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENpBuY023977; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:53:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENp11H025708; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAENoW1H025433 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuwjxDE6O6Xtrkq+7qFM+d70bTwf1fV2mg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHL6EF83; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:50:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" Message-ID: <20021114.175030.-351375.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-10,12-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:50:30 -0600 Status: RO Oh! Oh! I think I know! I think I know!!! And the reference to Teddy is more appropriate than you may realize...... Karen On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:23:42 -0500 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > Stevie, > > That none-tart Guest is a h-costume member.... guess who! > > Penny Ladnier ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 20:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25125 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1i5Yb008237; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1i01H007283; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1hQ1H007067 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc632021-b.attbi.com (12-246-76-5.client.attbi.com[12.246.76.5]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <200211150143180530092ot8e>; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:43:19 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114172639.00a4c2a0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: mabse@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: MaryAnn Jones Subject: Re: Burn-out, was Re: [h-cost] costuming in rainy weather In-Reply-To: References: <20021114114823.11548.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <20021114114823.11548.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:33:51 -0800 Status: RO thanks everybody for this thread. it has been very instructive. I am at the complete other end where I am just starting out in it. just putting together my initial costume and kit was overwhelming (how did we live without e-bay). I am being told now that I really need a pavilion. It is instructive at this point to stop and ask, how far do I want to go on this. I agree that I need a pavilion so I can take naps, but I am going to be really careful about assuming responsibility for anyone else other than myself . Luckily, we already have someone who is in charge of things and is very autocratic but not at all shy about delegation. I think that that is the key. You need to let your group know that either they are on board or there isn't a ship. the always funny maryann At 09:36 AM 11/14/2002 -0800, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >At 11:48 AM +0000 11/14/02, N Kipar wrote: > > > >>well, the problem is that i own everything. all gear, all pottery, all tents >>(except one) all shelters, all furniture, all glassware, all fier equipment, >>all just about everything. pretty much all te others own is their costumes. >>admittedly, when they come by plane or train, that is pretty much what >>they can >>carry. >> >>anyway, i shall stop winging now, and start talking about historical costumes >>again. :-) > >Nicole, you've got more right to winge than any ten other people I know, >based on this description! But I suspect that one of the things that has >gotten you into the position you're in is other people's simple >inertia. As long as you're doing all this stuff, it's really easy for >other people to take it for granted and not even realize how much work is >involved. Give them a shaking up -- tell them that you're completely >burnt out on shouldering so much of the work, and that if more people >don't start pitching in _now_, they're going to have to pitch in and more >when you quit. If that doesn't wake them up, then nothing will except >actually quitting. > >Ok, so someone who's coming a long distance by train can't bring a lot of >bulky equipment ... but they sure as heck can be there to unload and set >up when you drive in! If you're supplying the vast majority of the >physical gear, it seems to me that you ought to be able to expect the rest >of the group to "pay their way" with labor at the event itself, to say >nothing about sharing out the expenses more evenly. > >An awful lot of good-hearted people are simply sluggish about pitching in >if it looks like the work is getting done without them. So stop making it >happen without them. Tell them you've earned a vacation and let them find >out first-hand how much you've been taking care of. > >And -- in the final analysis -- figure out what you _do_ enjoy, and make >sure you keep doing that. > >Heather >-- >***** >Heather Rose Jones >hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu >***** >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 20:46:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25140 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1l1Yb008536; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1l11H008403; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF1kU1H008203 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m140.in-tch.com [216.166.191.140]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAF1Usf07550 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:30:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD45207.973AC18C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book References: <20021114140115.Y20091-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:46:47 -0700 Status: RO Who'd you order it from? I think I might have to ...uhm...treat myself to an early holiday present. Yeah, that's right. Research. Not frivolous at all! --sue Drea Leed wrote: > > I remember saving a post she made to the list a while back (about > gamurras.) > > I unsubscribed for half of August, & so didn't see the posting about her > book. I just ordered it, though, and am looking forward to it. :) > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 21:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25235 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF2G3Yb010065; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF2G11H017390; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF2Fo1H017312 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:15:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from Miscmal@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.1be.14583959 (4262) for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: Miscmal@aol.com Message-ID: <1be.14583959.2b05b2c6@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1be.14583959.2b05b2c6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Subject: [h-cost] Re: tire of reinacting/ pattern stuff. 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miscmal@aol.com --part1_1be.14583959.2b05b2c6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 14 21:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25342 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF2w5Yb012457; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF2w01H029742; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAF2vl1H029701 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:57:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021115025747.85236.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:57:47 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Whalebone Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:57:47 +1100 (EST) Status: RO I was wondering if there's someone who can help me with a question that's been running around in my head (apologies to anyone who sees this more than once). What were the properties of "whalebone"? Was it supple or hard, or did it vary from supple when freshly harvested to hard when dry? I've seen a type of plastic boning that is referred to as artificial whalebone, and am wondering how accurate this is. Janet Arnold mentions the possibility of whalebone in some of her articles and refers to it as extremely hard..... Bella http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 01:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25981 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF6S3Yb023820; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF6S00M027488; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.227]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF6R90M027250 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:27:04 -0800 Received: from 65.65.96.107 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:27:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.96.107] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Italian Renaissance book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 06:27:04.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[03BAE140:01C28C70] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:27:03 +0000 Status: RO My copy came from Amazon... Mary/Katerine >Who'd you order it from? I think I might have to ...uhm...treat myself >to an early holiday present. >Yeah, that's right. Research. Not frivolous at all! >--sue > >Drea Leed wrote: > > > > I remember saving a post she made to the list a while back (about > > gamurras.) > > > > I unsubscribed for half of August, & so didn't see the posting about her > > book. I just ordered it, though, and am looking forward to it. :) > > > > Drea >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 02:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06521 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:37:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF7d2Yb026619; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF7d00M013805; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF7cJ0M013664 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m28.in-tch.com [216.166.191.28]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAF7Mhf09885 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:22:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD4A47D.12C18122@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:38:37 -0700 Status: RO I've spent part of the evening puzzling over the sleeve bits in the MoL book on textiles, with the aim of picking up some authentic details for a fitted gown I want to make for myself. There are several mentions of edgings on things that turn out to be narrow tablet-woven bands, woven directly onto the raw edge of the sleeve (in the diagram of this in the book, it looks as if you're simultaneously weaving the edging, and sewing it into place...with one of the weaving threads, maybe?) I've got enough cards to do it (from a workshop), and figured I'd probably do it in silk thread, once I learn it well enough, but what I don't have, is instructions. argh! Having managed to thoroughly misplace my only book on tablet/card weaving, I did some poking on the internet (which I'll explore more this weekend), but so far I'm not seeing anything like this--folks are usually talking about belts, or bigger braids. Any help--recommended how-to books, articles, websites would be very much appreciated! --sue (see what you're making me do, Robin? or do I get to blame Teddy, too...no, wait, I'll blame him when I'm sticking my fingers, making cloth buttons....;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 03:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22197 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:21:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF8N3Yb027875; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF8N10M022388; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF8Lx0M022175 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07712 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:29:06 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... In-Reply-To: <3DD4A47D.12C18122@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:29:06 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I've spent part of the evening puzzling over the sleeve bits in the MoL > book on textiles, with the aim of picking up some authentic details for > a fitted gown I want to make for myself. There are several mentions of > edgings on things that turn out to be narrow tablet-woven bands, woven > directly onto the raw edge of the sleeve ... > (see what you're making me do, Robin? or do I get to blame Teddy, > too...no, wait, I'll blame him when I'm sticking my fingers, making > cloth buttons....;-) :-) Don't blame me for the tablet-woven edges. They're cool, indeed, but I can't tablet-weave and don't need another hobby, so I have pointed myself to the finds that show that other seam edgings were used too, and followed those as my model. If you tablet-weave your edges, you'll certainly get extra cheers, but if you decide not to tablet-weave, that doesn't mean your garment is any less authentic in style. The cloth buttons are easy easy. Teddy learned from me via email, they're that easy. But I still generally use metal ones. Plenty of evidence for those too, and other types as well. You have lots of choices, not just labor-intensive ones. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 04:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07033 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:22:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9O2Yb000278; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9O10M004925; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9N50M004576 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ACF84F230286; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:23:04 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACF9268000A8; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:23:05 -0600 Message-ID: <00c601c28c88$8e5a03e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] The Ball is Complete Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:22:44 -0500 Status: RO Well... someone is arriving late... Teddy. I will add him when his photo arrives. I will let you know when that happens. For those who have been watching the Ball, the latest additions start in Group 10. We have 75 guests to the Online Costume Ball 2002 from 8 countries. www.onlinecostumeball.com The guests sent in 108 photos of themselves in costume. We have four new categories this year, prom, film, theatre, and wearable art costumes. There are a good many film costumes, with Moulin Rouge, Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars being the popular film costumes for the year. Many thanks to our visitors and guests for attending the Ball 2002. Many guests provided wonderful front and back views of their costumes. The construction webpages that the guests provided a link, will answer a lot of questions from visitors wanting to know how the costume was made. Have fun at the Ball!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 04:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24101 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9g2Yb000814; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9g00M008472; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF9fs0M008442 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:41:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:41:49 -0800 Received: from 169.233.3.149 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:41:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.233.3.149] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 09:41:49.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[3839F3A0:01C28C8B] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:41:48 -0800 Status: RO Well, I know that the crown was made of seperate panels that are hinged together, so they come apart for cleaning. I don't know if that would help, but it's *definately* easier to work panel by panel than to try and make it all at once, like a hat. (I think you can even see the little hinges in the photo - it looks like a line of tiny beads, but there's actually a little gold pin in there holding the panels together. I saw a picture once of the crown being taken apart for cleaning, but that was in middle school at least, and a good 6 years distant.) -Laura Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:01:30AM +0000, N Kipar wrote: > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of > realistic way. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 09:25:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16685 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:25:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEQBYb010685; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEQ10M006493; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEPi0M006355 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-045.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.45]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6AC19FBFB for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:25:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DD503E1.7040208@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fabrick question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:25:37 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I just cut out the lining for my 16th century loose gown and found out that I bought too much fabrick. :-) And I was wandering what to make out of it. It is dark red silk taffeta. Is it usable for a 1525 Italian gown like this one? http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/CostumeG/Italiandress1525.html Or a 16th century gown? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 09:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16692 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEQrYb010718; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEQq0M006743; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:26:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFEPl0M006387 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 75780 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Nov 2002 14:25:43 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.089817 secs); 15 Nov 2002 14:25:43 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.089817 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 14:25:43 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" In-Reply-To: <008001c28c29$5c9c7360$af0823d9@dan> Message-ID: <20021115092001.J38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Almost as funny as being there...Dan and I were promenading around the new boston faire, Dan in her exceedingly proper gloves, bonnet, etc., when some lady wandered up and blithely asked her, "So, are you a tart?" I wish I'd had a camera so I could have captured the "so, do I answer politely, laugh in her face, or kick this wench's ass" look that appeared on Danielle's face. ;) Drea On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just been having great fun looking at the 2002 Online Costume > ball, and got to the > > "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" > > costume, (Group 8, guest 29). It's beautiful, but I can't stop > giggling; my brain keeps substituting Teddy's Custard Tart Costume > instead. I think maybe I should go and have a cup of coffee... > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 09:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16822 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:40:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEg3Yb011572; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEg10M011219; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEff0M011109 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [113.105.42.14] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5M00A9QGPW5M@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:39:32 -0500 (EST) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... In-reply-to: X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Robin Netherton Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:38:53 -0500 Status: RO No!!! Don't tell her that, Robin!!! Encourage her to do this edging so she'll write a How-to, post or publish it somewhere for the rest of us poor souls who would like to do this but can't figure it out. :) Sue, you may very well be the first or one of the first to try this. The book you have sited has the only real explanation I've seen of this technique. most information about tablet weaving are all about separate braids as you have said. although I can't help much here, I would like to encourage you to try to figure it out. Both for your benefit and the general knowledge base. Linda K-S At 2:29 AM -0600 11/15/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >> I've spent part of the evening puzzling over the sleeve bits in the MoL >> book on textiles, with the aim of picking up some authentic details for >> a fitted gown I want to make for myself. There are several mentions of >> edgings on things that turn out to be narrow tablet-woven bands, woven >> directly onto the raw edge of the sleeve ... >> (see what you're making me do, Robin? or do I get to blame Teddy, >> too...no, wait, I'll blame him when I'm sticking my fingers, making >> cloth buttons....;-) > >:-) Don't blame me for the tablet-woven edges. They're cool, indeed, but I >can't tablet-weave and don't need another hobby, so I have pointed myself >to the finds that show that other seam edgings were used too, and followed >those as my model. If you tablet-weave your edges, you'll certainly get >extra cheers, but if you decide not to tablet-weave, that doesn't mean >your garment is any less authentic in style. > >The cloth buttons are easy easy. Teddy learned from me via email, they're >that easy. But I still generally use metal ones. Plenty of evidence for >those too, and other types as well. You have lots of choices, not just >labor-intensive ones. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 09:49:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16877 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEp3Yb012190; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEp10M014223; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFEou0M014182 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a257.in-tch.com [66.62.107.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAFEZKf08325 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:35:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD509E2.60897C23@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:51:14 -0700 Status: RO Oh, I dunno, Robin. The dress is your fault, ergo.....;-P It's nice to know that there were other finishes done for sleeve edges. I'm assuming that if I lined my sleeves, this wouldn't be an issue, but to this point, the only things I've personally seen about finishing those (sleeve) edges is what I saw in the MoL book. The buttonholes themselves are reinforced with a strip of fabric (silk, IIRC), and then there's the narrow band for the raw edge. Pretty cool! What other treatments have you seen? It'd be good to have a backup plan in case this edging falls through..... This gown is more of an undergown, so I'm using cloth buttons for the sleeves, and I'll be lacing the front. I want to make the details as authentic as possible, both as a learning process, and for this competition (my main impetus for actually getting it done! ) that's coming up. The category is "Single Garment--Construction," so the little, labor-intensive touches are important, I'm thinking . I wanted to do something completely different from my usual later-16th c. stuff. Of course, if this were a non-SCA competition, I'd be entirely tempted to try my hand at one of those droolsome sack-backed gowns. I've also got a digital camera, so I'm hoping to take pix of the stages, and someday put it up on a website like those lovely dress diaries I see. That's the theory, at any rate! --sue, off to get ready for work (hi ho, hi ho.....) Robin Netherton wrote: > > :-) Don't blame me for the tablet-woven edges. They're cool, indeed, but I > can't tablet-weave and don't need another hobby, so I have pointed myself > to the finds that show that other seam edgings were used too, and followed > those as my model. If you tablet-weave your edges, you'll certainly get > extra cheers, but if you decide not to tablet-weave, that doesn't mean > your garment is any less authentic in style. > > The cloth buttons are easy easy. Teddy learned from me via email, they're > that easy. But I still generally use metal ones. Plenty of evidence for > those too, and other types as well. You have lots of choices, not just > labor-intensive ones. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 10:27:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17218 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFT6Yb014881; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFT30M028051; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFSs0M027982 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.44] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18CiOr-0003nx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:28:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c28cbc$383605c0$2c5f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] rare and unusual costumes and textiles 17th-mid20th Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:32:34 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, http://www.meg-andrews.com/index.htm Some achingly beautiful pieces here, with achingly horrendous prices, but it's really worth a look:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 10:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17254 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFV6Yb015101; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFV20M028904; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web40911.mail.yahoo.com (web40911.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFFUl0M028770 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:30:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021115153042.25303.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.104.32.34] by web40911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:30:42 PST From: Tasha McGann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021115144201.11213.52549.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Site for cardweaving on dress enclosures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:30:42 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Any help--recommended how-to books, articles, > websites would be very > much appreciated! > --sue Greetings Sue, A lady by the name of Dame Helen in the SCA has a useful page on just this topic: http://www.damehelen.com/sewing/card.html I've seen her card-woven edges on a gown up-close and they're really nifty. Best of luck! -Tasha (Marcele de Montsegur in the SCA) ===== "When the blind leadeth the blind. . . get out of the way." -1st grader's proverb __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 10:37:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17295 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFcUYb015623; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFc60M002217; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mackie.com (mail2.mackie.com [12.144.237.152]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFaC0M001291 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:36:16 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... Thread-Index: AcKMtWp5UoVRHL3wTFeqGWnYjAtkzwABnq3w From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAFFaC0M001291 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:35:53 -0800 Status: RO Hi all, Sue, I have actually done the tablet woven edges on the sleeves (and possibly, but I can't remember right now, the lacing strip in the back) of a dress that I did about two years ago. I can't give you step by step instructions because I haven't done it since. Depending on the urgency, I may be able to give some pointers down the road as I have another dress that I'll be doing the same way in the next couple of months. I do recall that the weft thread only goes one directions. You sew through the fabric, pull the weft through your warp threads and turn the cards. Then you loop around under the warp threads to come up through the fabric again. This is different than a normal tablet weave where your weft thread goes both directions. Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment. Let me know if you'd like to hear details when I actually get around to doing this again. Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 10:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17392 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:49:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFo3Yb016597; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFo2AS007447; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcprox.methodist.edu ([204.84.112.53]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFFnoAS007331 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:49:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mcprox.methodist.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:45:55 -0500 Received: from 36kls01feswe (36kls01feswe.methodist.edu [10.10.50.138]) by mcprox.methodist.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id WK1YFSJV; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:45:54 -0500 From: Rebecca Wendelken To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <001901c28cbe$88cb60a0$8a320a0a@methodist.edu> References: <20021115144201.11213.52549.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: tablet woven edges Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:49:08 -0500 Status: RO > > No!!! Don't tell her that, Robin!!! Encourage her to do this edging > so she'll write a How-to, post or publish it somewhere for the rest > of us poor souls who would like to do this but can't figure it out. > :) > > Sue, you may very well be the first or one of the first to try this. > The book you have sited has the only real explanation I've seen of > this technique. most information about tablet weaving are all about > separate braids as you have said. although I can't help much here, I > would like to encourage you to try to figure it out. Both for your > benefit and the general knowledge base. > Definitely try it. It isn't as hard as it looks. Warp your tablets for the pattern you want. It helps if the thread thickness is similar to the fabric you are using. It also helps if you have a selvedge edge to work with, but it isn't a necessity -- you can work this over a hemmed edge. Thread a needle onto the end of your weft. Start by taking a stitch in the fabric to anchor the weft. Then pass the weft through your shed. Turn your cards, pass the weft back through, and take another stitch in the fabric. Continue. You can also take a stitch at each passing of the weft and get a tubular edging. If this isn't clear (it's easier to show than say), let me know and I'll draw it up for you and send it email. Good luck and huzzah for creativity!!! Fuil _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 11:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17865 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFGb3Yb021041; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFGb1AS000758; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFGa7AS000147 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:36:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18887 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Nov 2002 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.152761 secs); 15 Nov 2002 16:35:59 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.152761 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 16:35:59 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moll Flanders? In-Reply-To: <10.283d7240.2b03e217@aol.com> Message-ID: <20021115113542.N38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:36:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't recall seeing Angela in it. It looked like it was made pretty recently. Drea On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 Kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/13/02 6:14:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, drea@nospam > writes: > > > > Hello, y'all. > > > > I happened upon "The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders" the > > other night, on Lifetime. And was seduced by the scrummy looking gowns. > > Can anyone (Nicole?) give a rating on just how accurate the mid-17th c. > > clothing in that movie was? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drea > > > > Drea, > > Which version was it? The one with Angela Lansbury? I have been looking for > a copy of that for Angela's Files, but am having the worst time tracking it > down. > > Kit > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 12:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18012 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHC3Yb024387; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHC18p018092; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHBD8p017719 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.44] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Cjzr-0004d5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:11:11 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c28cca$82aaa8a0$2c5f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Unusual 1870's bustle Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:14:51 -0000 Status: RO Hi, The Meg Andrews web-sitesite I recommended has, amongst all the more obvious goodies, an unusual 1870's bustle; large pictures are at: http://www.meg-andrews.com/engCost/underwear/items/u5030_D.htm for the Victorian experts amongst us. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 12:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18034 for ; 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Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 12:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18073 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHT8Yb026229; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHT18p026713; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHSc8p026514 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAFHSbk0009007 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:28:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" In-Reply-To: <20021115092001.J38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:28:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO So, why in the world did she ask that question? the red dress thing again? Ah, the tactless denizens of the reenacting world... it's hard to know whether to smack them as they so richly deserve, or, as you say, just laugh! - Mara On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > Almost as funny as being there...Dan and I were promenading around the new > boston faire, Dan in her exceedingly proper gloves, bonnet, etc., when > some lady wandered up and blithely asked her, "So, are you a tart?" > > I wish I'd had a camera so I could have captured the "so, do I answer > politely, laugh in her face, or kick this wench's ass" look that appeared > on Danielle's face. ;) > > Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 12:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18209 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHi3Yb027728; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFHi18p004966; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFHhP8p004634 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 92180 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Nov 2002 17:43:16 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.067589 secs); 15 Nov 2002 17:43:16 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.067589 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 17:43:16 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021115124215.L38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:43:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO She wasn't a re-enactor, just a visitor. Yes, it was the turkey red dress that prompted it. Funny, how some folks feel completely comfortable asking dressed-up people questions that they'd never dream of posing to someone they met on the street. Drea On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > So, why in the world did she ask that question? the red dress thing > again? > > Ah, the tactless denizens of the reenacting world... it's hard to know > whether to smack them as they so richly deserve, or, as you say, just > laugh! > > - Mara > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Drea Leed wrote: > > > Almost as funny as being there...Dan and I were promenading around the new > > boston faire, Dan in her exceedingly proper gloves, bonnet, etc., when > > some lady wandered up and blithely asked her, "So, are you a tart?" > > > > I wish I'd had a camera so I could have captured the "so, do I answer > > politely, laugh in her face, or kick this wench's ass" look that appeared > > on Danielle's face. ;) > > > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 13:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18351 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:04:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFI63Yb029889; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFI618p016641; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFI5e8p016438 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.44] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Ckqa-0000jl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c28cd2$1ebfc3e0$2c5f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021115092001.J38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:09:20 -0000 Status: RO Drea wrote: > Almost as funny as being there...Dan and I were promenading around the new > boston faire, Dan in her exceedingly proper gloves, bonnet, etc., when > some lady wandered up and blithely asked her, "So, are you a tart?" The mind boggles; if Danielle 'a la perfect demure damsel' could provoke that enquiry, what on earth the lady would have said to Teddy, in Custard Tart mode? Probably better not to think about it... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 13:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18366 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:07:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFI91Yb000352; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFI908p018193; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFI7x8p017638 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWq1Bmbp78oahGLOC3GOhmFrDRjxOXKQd3A=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHN4744A; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:07:35 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Ball is Complete Message-ID: <20021115.130451.-154569.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:35:55 -0500 Status: RO What a lot of work you went to to put this together. It was wonderful and the costumes were great fun. I must try to get a picture of one of mine for next year. Thanks for great site. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 13:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18938 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJ07Yb005494; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJ01v8015236; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFIxdv8015031 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.109]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C6424801E7 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:59:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c28cd9$6cc50bc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021115025747.85236.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:01:37 +0100 Status: RO Dear Bella. I was so lucky to be allowed to examine some early 18th century stays. They were heavyly boned troughout with whalebones. The stayes weighed a ton, this i was very surprised of and very hard to touch also. I think the same weight is obtained with steel boning. As i understand the real whalebone could be steamed and shaped. When cold again it kept the shape. This is not something you can do with the artificial plastic boning The front peaces of these stays, was shaped and the busk was narrowed by making the linning smaller than the outside, It was impossible to flatten the front pieces, and it made my work of figuring out how they were cut, impossible. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Whalebone > I was wondering if there's someone who can help me > with a question that's been running around in my head > (apologies to anyone who sees this more than once). > > What were the properties of "whalebone"? Was it supple > or hard, or did it vary from supple when freshly > harvested to hard when dry? I've seen a type of > plastic boning that is referred to as artificial > whalebone, and am wondering how accurate this is. > Janet Arnold mentions the possibility of whalebone in > some of her articles and refers to it as extremely > hard..... > > > > Bella > > > http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers > - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 14:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19097 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJK2Yb007253; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJK0iR025599; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f67.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.67]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJJhiR025393 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:19:37 -0800 Received: from 217.45.69.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:19:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.45.69.32] From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 19:19:37.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[F076D000:01C28CDB] Subject: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:19:37 +0000 Status: RO Okay, if you like that website, you HAVE to look at these: www.antique-fashion.com www.antiquedress.com www.vintagetextile.com Karen Augusta's site (the first of the links above) has some particularly spectacular things for the Victorian-obsessive (check out the museum archives for stuff sold in the past) Kate > >Message: 2 >From: "Stevie Gamble" >To: >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:32:34 -0000 >Subject: [h-cost] rare and unusual costumes and textiles 17th-mid20th >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Hi all, > >http://www.meg-andrews.com/index.htm > >Some achingly beautiful pieces here, with achingly horrendous prices, >but it's really worth a look:-) > >best wishes >Stevie > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 14:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19166 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJY2Yb008584; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFJY1iR002703; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAFJXmiR002559 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27750 invoked by uid 1005); 15 Nov 2002 19:33:40 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.140133 secs); 15 Nov 2002 19:33:40 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.140133 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 19:33:40 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone In-Reply-To: <001c01c28cd9$6cc50bc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: <20021115143156.Q38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:33:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > As i understand the real whalebone could be steamed and shaped. When cold > again it kept the shape. > This is not something you can do with the artificial plastic boning Actually, given a hot iron and some linen, one can. I wanted to create some 18th c. stays with the curved boning across the front bust, and so I took some artificial whalebone, set it between two pieces of linen, put my iron on the hottest setting, and pressed down while pulling the a.w.to one side. It took a while but produced a very nice curve. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 16:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19688 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFL5AYb015976; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFL51iR017913; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFL44iR017416 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAFL43XK008427 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone In-Reply-To: <20021115025747.85236.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:04:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Bella, I had the good fortune to go to a workshop given by the staymaker/tailor at Colonial Williamsburg, who had along with him some real whalebone, of recent origin so that it wasn't old and brittle. The stuff is stiff and somewhat flexible, though not so flexible that it wouldn't break under great pressure. I think the plastic boning is a good substitute, but women with any sort of bust will need a busk (wooden stiffening piece) in the front of their stays for additional shaping. Cheers, Mara On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, [iso-8859-1] Bella wrote: > What were the properties of "whalebone"? Was it supple > or hard, or did it vary from supple when freshly > harvested to hard when dry? I've seen a type of > plastic boning that is referred to as artificial > whalebone, and am wondering how accurate this is. > Janet Arnold mentions the possibility of whalebone in > some of her articles and refers to it as extremely > hard..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 16:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19793 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFLU2Yb018049; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFLU1iR001164; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFLTbiR000953 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A74057AF004E; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:29:36 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A74034CD0104; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:29:36 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c28cee$160c38c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20021115.130451.-154569.4.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Ball is Complete X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:30 -0500 Status: RO Thank you Lalah! The Ball is one of the most pleasurable parts of my job. It is like opening a Christmas package every time someone sends me an entry. I love all kinds of costume and it is so much fun to see what people have made. It is an honor to provide a place to let people shine in the light and show off their talents. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com http://www.onlinecostumeball.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 17:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19949 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFMF4Yb021973; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFMF2iR024939; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFMEpiR024823 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:14:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-34-95-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.44] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18Coji-0006Nk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:14:50 +0000 Message-ID: <007b01c28cf4$edcf7460$2c5f22d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:18:30 -0000 Status: RO Kate wrote: > Okay, if you like that website, you HAVE to look at these: > > www.antique-fashion.com > www.antiquedress.com > www.vintagetextile.com > > Karen Augusta's site (the first of the links above) has some particularly > spectacular things for the Victorian-obsessive (check out the museum > archives for stuff sold in the past) Many thanks; I'd come across Karen's site before but the other two are new to me. The last one pleased me least, since I can't save the large pictures; if these really are important textiles then it's not unreasonable to expect to be able to study them in depth. But given all the stuff on the site about vintage clothing as an investment it's probably not something the proprietor worries about. Begin Rant here: Also, the article purporting to explain real interest rates verges on the disingenuous. Until I retired in order to spend more time with my doctors, I was a Specialist Technical Advisor to the Board of Inland Revenue, dealing with Financial Institutions and Financial Instruments, of which interest is the most well known. And the stuff on interest is oversimplified to the point of being misleading. End Rant You'll probably have guessed by now that even if I had the dosh I wouldn't buy from that business:-) Many thanks for the websites (yes, all of them) there are some beautiful things to delight the eye, the heart and the mind. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 18:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20377 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNi5Yb029507; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNi1iM006380; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNhjiM006229 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip234.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.234]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gAFNhdY12880 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone Message-ID: <3DD515C4.12735.F7B5E64@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20021115025747.85236.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:41:56 -0800 Status: RO > I had the good fortune to go to a workshop given by the > staymaker/tailor at Colonial Williamsburg, who had along with him some > real whalebone, of recent origin so that it wasn't old and brittle. > > The stuff is stiff and somewhat flexible, though not so flexible that > it wouldn't break under great pressure. I think the plastic boning is > a good substitute, but women with any sort of bust will need a busk > (wooden stiffening piece) in the front of their stays for additional > shaping. I have a piece given to me at Williamsburg because it was an offcut too short for use. It is quite firm and flexible. It acts very much like a 1/4" steel stay (but not as rigid as one of the 1/2" stays.) The ones that I've seen there and in extant corsets seem to be 1/4" or thereabouts. If they are stayed, they seem to use them packed so that there is not a stay's width between them or they have large areas (like most of the back) with no stay at all in between. I haven't seen any of the special plastic boning that I've heard about. However, other plastic boning that you find in fabric stores is *nothing* like whalebone and it is too heat plastic to hold up well in a set of stays. I would like to try reeds but I've found that bamboo type reeds (which were recommended to me) didn't work worth diddlysquat. Until I get a better sort of reed, I'll stick to two layers of rigeline per boning case when I want to get that reed effect. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 18:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20386 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:45:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNl1Yb029687; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNl1iM007541; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFNkEiM007271 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:46:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id gAFNkEa240954 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:46:14 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:46:14 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I had an idea regarding whalebone, its properties, and our general inability to get it for costuming. In elementary school, we learned that whalebone is baleen, which isn't bone and isn't tooth, but is made of the same stuff as our hair and fingernails. More or less the same thing is said about horn. Do you, the knowledgable folk of h-cost, think that cow horn might work as a substitute for whalebone when cut to the same dimensions? Or am I misremembering or just completely off? I have never handled real whalebone and haven't worked with either horn or the plastic artificial whalebone, but I thought there might be the chance that someone here might have. emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 19:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20565 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:45:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0l6Yb004029; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0l1iM000757; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0kuiM000730 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-58-250-113.s367.tnt1.nwhv.ct.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.250.113] helo=rcn.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18Cr6t-0005O4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD59587.1A8892BC@rcn.com> From: Catelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RCN010799 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20021115144201.11213.52549.Mailman@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question about tablet weaving. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:47:03 -0500 Status: RO On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I've spent part of the evening puzzling over the sleeve bits in the MoL > book on textiles, with the aim of picking up some authentic details for > a fitted gown I want to make for myself. There are several mentions of > edgings on things that turn out to be narrow tablet-woven bands, woven > directly onto the raw edge of the sleeve (in the diagram of this in the > book, it looks as if you're simultaneously weaving the edging, and > sewing it into place...with one of the weaving threads, maybe?) I've got > enough cards to do it (from a workshop), and figured I'd probably do it > in silk thread, once I learn it well enough, but what I don't have, is > instructions. argh! > Having managed to thoroughly misplace my only book on tablet/card > weaving, I did some poking on the internet (which I'll explore more this > weekend), but so far I'm not seeing anything like this--folks are > usually talking about belts, or bigger braids. > Any help--recommended how-to books, articles, websites would be very > much appreciated! > --sue I have card-woven. I recommend that you do at least one other project before you card-weaving finishing onto a sleeve. Just getting used to changing the shed by turning cards, using tension, putting the weft through, is enough to deal with for your first time. If you use about ten cards and thread the weight of ordinary crochet cotton (use what fiber you will, of course, but cotton's easy and cheap for your first try), you will get something from 1/2 to 1 inch wide; a couple of feet of which may be used for garters, and longer pieces are useful all over the place. I went a bit mad my second or third piece, and made 4-5 meters of strapping, which I still use, at least 10 years later. The other thing that you will learn, is the nominclature. You may also wish to do a second project, using very few cards, with threads alternating their threading direction (s,z,s,z). Put the weft through from one side (hold the end so it doesn't just pull through). Pass the weft bundle or shuttle under the weaving. Change the shed. Enter from the first side of weaving again. So, if you enter from the left side, keep entering from the left side. Also keep turning the card bundle in the same direction until the twist builds up so badly you cannot turn the cards any more, and only then start "unturning" your card bundle (really just turning in the opposite direction). This very narrow tubular cord can be used to lace your finished garment with, and, at the same time, is very like the card-woven finish/trim, so you will have gained useful experience in how to handle the materials. For the actual trim/finish, use 2-6 cards, threaded s,z,s,z,s,z, in a color to match your cloth. Attach your weft (on a needle) to your garment where you want the finish. * Put the needle through the shed. Put the needle up through the cloth (go underneath the weft of your card weaving). Change the shed. Repeat from *. The turning pattern on the MOL example is shown as all in one direction. Pick a direction, where the card pack's front corner is moving away from you, for example, and keep turning it in that direction. Two of the examples with any cardweaving attached to a cuff have only two tablets, and one four tablets, as in their sketch (fig. 134). Books to learn card weaving from: Techniques of Tabletweaving by Peter Collingwood (recently back in print), and Card Weaving by Candace Crocket (ditto, by Interweave Press). There are other books out there, too. Try your local library system. Please ask more specific questions when you get them, and I'll try my best to answer them (or someone else on this list will know). Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 19:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20578 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0q0Yb004305; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0q0iM002269; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG0pmiM002222 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:51:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from p921-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.159] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18CrBZ-0004jJ-00; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:51:45 +1300 Message-ID: <007101c28d0a$5824c7b0$9fc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20021115025747.85236.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:51:47 +1300 Status: RO > What were the properties of "whalebone"? Was it supple > or hard, or did it vary from supple when freshly > harvested to hard when dry? I've seen a type of > plastic boning that is referred to as artificial > whalebone, and am wondering how accurate this is. > Janet Arnold mentions the possibility of whalebone in > some of her articles and refers to it as extremely > hard..... It might well have been extremely hard taking into account the age of the stuff. http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/howto/odds.shtml (And for the person who mentioned horn, it's discussed a little here too) She played with some whalebone and came to the conclusion that imitation whalebone is an excellent substitute. And yes it is different to some of the usual stuff you can buy as boning. I finally got my hands on some good quality plastic boning, it's white only slightly opaque and while it feels soft when you have several meters of it in hand, once cut it does feel more sturdy:) Yes, when used in a victorian type corset which follows the curves of the body it *does* hold the shape. But frankly looking at a number of antique corsets this is what happened with whalebone. And is mentioned in the page above. You can easily straighten it again by ironing it. But as it happened 'in period' you shouldn't fret too much. And besides, I've seen the insides of some 1950s couture gowns that used spiral boning with the exact same effect. Firm shaping and body heat is going to do that. However I would warn people to avoid "Polyboning", whatever the manufacturer is. I think they also make rigiline. It is very soft and will not just form to your shape but will make bumps and stay in those shapes. Again this was for a victorian style bodice so you might have some success with a more conical shorter corset/bodice. Just as rigiline can be used for these shapes with success, I have used in in double layers zigzagged together and it's doing pretty well in an hourglass shape even:). And as Drea said you can curve it using heat and patience, making sure you protect the plastic from the metal plate of the iron. I sometimes iron it just between two layers of cotton, or in the boning channels themselves. While working on Jack of All Trades we were corseted to the eyeballs, and it was all white imitation whalebone. We'd be in the things (3rd quarter 18thC style corsets) for up to 15hrs in the blazing sun under lights and in heavy costumes (fortunately mostly natural fibres). The only things that were overheating were the wigs and stockings, which weren't made of natural fibres. The plastic boning in the corsets didn't worry us at all. And they were solidly boned. Almost fully boned with only a few gaps which were at the back and sewn in zigzags. Well they were almost directly patterned from Nora Waugh's Corsets & Crinolines;) michaela http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~thebruce http://recital.tripod.com/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 21:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21006 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG2c3Yb009295; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG2c1iM029829; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG2bliM029737 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip58.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.58]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gAG2bgY29164 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:37:42 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes Message-ID: <3DD53E95.15838.101AD1C1@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:36:05 -0800 Status: RO Emma wrote: > Do you, the knowledgable folk of h-cost, think that cow horn might > work as a substitute for whalebone when cut to the same dimensions? > Or am I misremembering or just completely off? I don't think it would work for several reasons: 1. Cow horn (at least the ones I've felt and worked, or watched being worked) tends to be more brittle than the whalebone I have felt. Ie. more sudden failure with sharp edges. 2. Whalebone has a structure of long fibres which lends itself well to long pieces which cown horn does not have. (This also aids in fewer sudden failures with sharp edges, but also in the way it is workable.) 3. Cow horns don't always have the long straight sections which whalebone has. The edge is also quite thin at the opening compared to the tip which means that you also have to work it more in terms of getting the thickness even. Cow bone would work as a replacement for whalebone in thicker pieces such as busks, and was occasionally used for such. But wood works better and comes more often in lengths which work better too. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Nov 15 21:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21087 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG302Yb010342; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG301iM005211; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.18.174]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAG2x8iM004979 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 56428 invoked by uid 1005); 16 Nov 2002 02:58:54 -0000 Received: from drea@nospam by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (f-prot: 3.12. Clear:. Processed in 0.070658 secs); 16 Nov 2002 02:58:54 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: drea@nospam X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:. Processed in 0.070658 secs) Received: from shell.siscom.net (209.251.2.80) by mail.siscom.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2002 02:58:54 -0000 From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021115215656.J52133-100000@shell.siscom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:59:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have seen one quote regarding (16th c. ) corsets being boned with horn: I will have a fine smock of silk ... [and] a French bodie, not of whalebone, for that is not stiff enough but of horne for that will hold it out, it shall come, to keep in my belly ... This hints that, although horn could concievably be used as a boning material, that it was considered rather extreme compared to whalebone. I've never seen horn mentioned in any inventories or tailors accounts as a stiffening material. As a busk, however, horn was more commonly used. Good luck and let us know how it goes, Drea On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > I had an idea regarding whalebone, its properties, and our general > inability to get it for costuming. > > In elementary school, we learned that whalebone is baleen, which isn't > bone and isn't tooth, but is made of the same stuff as our hair and > fingernails. More or less the same thing is said about horn. > > Do you, the knowledgable folk of h-cost, think that cow horn might work as > a substitute for whalebone when cut to the same dimensions? Or am I > misremembering or just completely off? > > I have never handled real whalebone and haven't worked with either horn > or the plastic artificial whalebone, but I thought there might be the > chance that someone here might have. > > emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 00:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21478 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG5E7Yb017177; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG5E1iM007164; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG5D3iM006981 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (phil2247.dialup.dandy.net [66.28.137.247]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG5CwAP025904 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD5D58A.4D351DA7@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes References: <20021115215656.J52133-100000@shell.siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:20:11 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I just happen to be working with horn at this time, so I can make some comment on it's properties. I have not handled whalebone in a few years, and none made exclusively for the use of stays, so I will limit my comments to what I know about horn. Horn is pliable when heated, and can be formed. It is, as someone mentioned, a cuticle product like hair or nails, and has layers which need to be taken into consideration when cutting or forming it. If the horn is twisted, as happens with longer pieces, it has to be cut carefully or the resulting pieces will be curved on a few different planes. Shorter lengths, while more straight, would probably not be useful in stays. IIRC, it is not as fibrous as whalebone. It would be then, in my opinion, an inferior, although useable, product as compared to whalebone. It would take a more careful culling of horns to get a good stock of straight, long pieces than would probably be worth the effort if other, better materials such as whalebone and willow were available. Mike T. Drea Leed wrote: > I have seen one quote regarding (16th c. ) corsets being boned with horn: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 01:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21646 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG6P4Yb019614; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG6P1iM021808; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@jost.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAG6OCiM021593 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13381 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:31:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... In-Reply-To: <3DD509E2.60897C23@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:31:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > What other treatments have you seen? It'd be good to have a backup plan > in case this edging falls through..... I think it's the MOL book that describes edges with the usual turn-under-and-stitch finish. I can't recall -- I remember I went through a lot of books at one point just to get a sense of the variety of options. There seemed to be plenty. Another example worth looking at would by the Charles de Blois garment, which is the same period and has buttoned lower sleeves. Perhaps one of the books that discusses this -- Payne or Newton for starters -- describes the finishing. I'm absolutely swamped right now or I'd hunt it up for you myself -- I'm just trying to tear through the stacked-up email. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 06:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10713 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:03:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB53Yb028233; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB50ZY013354; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB4gZY013306 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:04:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.211]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 027F0480904 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:04:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009701c28d60$431176b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <003301c28ccb$4f3f6680$2c5f22d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] MANCHU WOMAN'S FUCHSIA JACKET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:06:49 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. Thankyou for that, drooling down my t-shirt, got to change that............. Bjarne www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] MANCHU WOMAN'S FUCHSIA JACKET > Hi all, > > One for the embroiderers from the Meg Andrews web-sitesite I > recommended: > > http://www.meg-andrews.com/oriental/courtrobes/items/5437_D.htm > > and, in much bigger closeup: > > http://www.meg-andrews.com/oriental/courtrobes/items/5437b_D.htm > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 06:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10722 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB80Yb028295; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB80ZY013939; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGB74ZY013708 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.211]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 11134480714 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:07:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009f01c28d60$98bd8810$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021115143156.Q38232-100000@shell.siscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:09:13 +0100 Status: RO Dear Drea. Whauw, thanks for that tip, i really must try that. Thanks a lot Drea Bjarne www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone > > As i understand the real whalebone could be steamed and shaped. When cold > > again it kept the shape. > > This is not something you can do with the artificial plastic boning > > Actually, given a hot iron and some linen, one can. I wanted to create > some 18th c. stays with the curved boning across the front bust, and so I > took some artificial whalebone, set it between two pieces of linen, put my > iron on the hottest setting, and pressed down while pulling the a.w.to one > side. It took a while but produced a very nice curve. > > Drea > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 06:10:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10737 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGBC1Yb028385; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGBC0ZY017159; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGBBbZY017092 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:11:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.211]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 816014801E2 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:11:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a901c28d61$3c0c2c10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:13:47 +0100 Status: RO Hi The problem with kow horns is they are not long enough When you are making a pair of stays, they should be as long as the bodice. There are some stomachers here in Denmark wich have wood "bones" Wood would be something you could use as a substitute Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] Whalebone and substitutes > > I had an idea regarding whalebone, its properties, and our general > inability to get it for costuming. > > In elementary school, we learned that whalebone is baleen, which isn't > bone and isn't tooth, but is made of the same stuff as our hair and > fingernails. More or less the same thing is said about horn. > > Do you, the knowledgable folk of h-cost, think that cow horn might work as > a substitute for whalebone when cut to the same dimensions? Or am I > misremembering or just completely off? > > I have never handled real whalebone and haven't worked with either horn > or the plastic artificial whalebone, but I thought there might be the > chance that someone here might have. > > emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 08:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11345 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGDO5Yb002464; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGDO0ZY010627; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGDNYZY010536 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.211]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AB0426341E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:23:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c28d73$ab5205b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:25:45 +0100 Status: RO I browsed those websites with vintage clothing you posted. Notice this beautifull stomacher: http://www.vintagetextile.com/Earlyall.htm It is incredible they still sell such old items. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Cole" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites > Okay, if you like that website, you HAVE to look at these: > > www.antique-fashion.com > www.antiquedress.com > www.vintagetextile.com > > Karen Augusta's site (the first of the links above) has some particularly > spectacular things for the Victorian-obsessive (check out the museum > archives for stuff sold in the past) > > Kate > > > > > >Message: 2 > >From: "Stevie Gamble" > >To: > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:32:34 -0000 > >Subject: [h-cost] rare and unusual costumes and textiles 17th-mid20th > >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >Hi all, > > > >http://www.meg-andrews.com/index.htm > > > >Some achingly beautiful pieces here, with achingly horrendous prices, > >but it's really worth a look:-) > > > >best wishes > >Stevie > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 09:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11464 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGE31Yb003693; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGE30ZY017767; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGE2AZY017636 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bed3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.211]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ACCE7262F86 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:02:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003301c28d79$12e6f3c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] period patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:04:26 +0100 Status: RO I just had the news that Castle Rosenborg in Copenhagen is having an exhibition starting in february next year. It is about Louise Augusta, the illegitimate child of Struensee and Queen Caroline Mathilde. You have probably all seen her portrait, it is often seen in costume books. She is wearing a Robe a la Reinne, with pink silk ribbon scarf and a green fan, she is painted by Jens Juel. She lived in the end of 18th century and well into the next century. The exhibition is inspired from a new novel called "The love child" - Kærlighedsbarnet The exhibition will have items owned by her, and other royal items, including dresses. Pattern drafts of the clothes is included in the museum catalog. One spectacular dress is a beautifull ball dress. Her brother the king braught it back from the Wiener Convention. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 09:29:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11525 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:29:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEU4Yb004653; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEU1ZY022609; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGETsZY022572 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-24-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.24.177] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18D3xK-00028V-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c28d7d$25a20a00$b11823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <003301c28d79$12e6f3c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period patterns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:33:31 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: ---------------------------- I just had the news that Castle Rosenborg in Copenhagen is having an exhibition starting in february next year. It is about Louise Augusta, the illegitimate child of Struensee and Queen Caroline Mathilde. You have probably all seen her portrait, it is often seen in costume books. She is wearing a Robe a la Reinne, with pink silk ribbon scarf and a green fan, she is painted by Jens Juel. ------------------------------------------ I can't track down a copy of that portrait on the Net; do you know if there is one anywhere? ------------------------------------------ The exhibition will have items owned by her, and other royal items, including dresses. Pattern drafts of the clothes is included in the museum catalog. One spectacular dress is a beautifull ball dress. Her brother the king braught it back from the Wiener Convention. -------------------- It sounds absolutely gorgeous! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 09:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11578 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:40:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEg3Yb005089; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEg1ZY024859; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEfAZY024702 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:41:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-78.gti.net [208.216.115.78]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 778A636106 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:41:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD65908.33560976@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period patterns References: <003301c28d79$12e6f3c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:41:12 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne, Is /will there be a web site for this exhibit? Or a catalog? ***Deb R > I just had the news that Castle Rosenborg in Copenhagen is having an > exhibition starting in february next year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 09:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11602 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:48:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEo1Yb005279; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEo0ZY026469; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGEnBZY026235 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:49:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-24-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.24.177] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18D4Fy-00045o-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:49:10 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c28d7f$d69be860$b11823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <003301c28ccb$4f3f6680$2c5f22d9@dan> <009701c28d60$431176b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] MANCHU WOMAN'S FUCHSIA JACKET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:52:51 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > Thankyou for that, drooling down my t-shirt, got to change that............. You're welcome:-) You may get your revenge, however. According to Meg Andrews website she is exhibiting at the London Textiles, Vintage Fashion & Accessories Fair Hammersmith Town Hall King Street London W6 tomorrow. If I do go over there I'll take large numbers of handkerchiefs with me... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 10:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11666 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGF42Yb005837; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGF41ZY029268; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGF3YZY029160 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-24-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.24.177] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18D4Tt-0006BG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c28d81$d95948c0$b11823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century lace cap back Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:07:15 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Well, I am now the proud owner of a 'lovely late 18th Century cap back ' http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=920034761&rd=1 for my costume for the Georgian Ball at Bath next spring. Gulp. I have found a reference to lace cap backs at the Honiton lace museum, but it doesn't tell me anything about cap fronts. Or, indeed, whether there were any fronts. Help! best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 10:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11729 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFQ2Yb006711; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFQ0ZY003942; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFPTZY003833 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-24-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.24.177] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18D4p6-000260-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:25:28 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c28d84$e91a2740$b11823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:29:10 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, Another for the lace experts: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922148372 I'm puzzled as to how anything that delicate could survive for centuries:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 10:49:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11790 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:49:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFp2Yb007786; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFp1ZY009237; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGFo0ZY009013 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from downstairs (ip68-10-170-42.hr.hr.cox.net [68.10.170.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGFnxn2002614 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:49:59 -0800 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites Message-ID: <000401c28d88$3d2b1ee0$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001901c28d73$ab5205b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:52:59 -0500 Status: RO That stomacher is truly gorgeous. Does anyone know if the embroidery was done on the silk before the linen backing was put on? Or was the linen backing attached first to stabilize the embroidery. Thanks, Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites I browsed those websites with vintage clothing you posted. Notice this beautifull stomacher: http://www.vintagetextile.com/Earlyall.htm It is incredible they still sell such old items. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 14:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12615 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJC3Yb016969; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJC1QD000732; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJBcQD000660 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:11:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-24-177.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.24.177] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18D8Lx-0005zT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:11:38 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c28da4$80c45a60$b11823d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Huge scans of jewellery, armour, textiles etc Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:15:18 -0000 Status: RO Hi, I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but there are huge scans of jewellery, armour, textiles and a lot of other things at: http://rubens.anu.edu.au/ which is the website of Australian National University's database 'ArtServe: Art & Architecture mainly from the Mediterranean Basin and Japan' There aren't a lot of textiles yet, but this one is unbelievably spectacular... http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raider4/europe.0602/germany/aschaffenburg/sch loss_johannisburg/museum/textiles/IMGP1701.JPG and http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raider4/europe.0602/germany/aschaffenburg/sch loss_johannisburg/museum/textiles/IMGP1702.JPG and from France: http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raid1cdroms/france/tonnerre/hospital/museum/t extiles/6568.JPG and http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raid1cdroms/france/tonnerre/hospital/museum/t extiles/6598.JPG though I was pleased to see that I'm not the only person in the world to manage to photograph a finger:-) Actually they are all unbelievably spectacular; it is really difficult to get pictures in such detail that, for example, you can see all of the different threads and stitches used. It's a treasure trove:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 14:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12687 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJW1Yb017878; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJW0QD005559; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.kc.rr.com (fe1.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.48]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGJVBQD005388 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com ([65.30.101.55]) by mail1.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:26:44 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021116133156.00a17b30@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002 "Stuck at the Prom" contest winners In-Reply-To: <20021114053245.E19512@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:33:23 -0600 Status: RO Oh my gosh!! 36 pages of really GOOD outfits of colored duct tape! I called my husband in to see them. The competition sure got tough this year. Sheryl Nance-Durst At 05:32 AM 11/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >Duck Brand duct tape has posted the entries and winners for its 2002 >contest. All entries must be made from duct tape, and there are some >really lovely historical, ethnic, and fantasy entries. > >The winners this year made Tudor. > >Start at http://www.ducktapeclub.com/prom/ and continue with the '2002 >Entries' link. > > ...eliz > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 16:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13023 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGKw1Yb021590; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGKw0QD025116; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail4.kc.rr.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGKv1QD024869 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer.kc.rr.com ([65.30.101.55]) by mail4.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:52:45 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021116145845.00a04ec0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/pop-server.kc.rr.com@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Huge scans of jewellery, armour, textiles etc In-Reply-To: <004401c28da4$80c45a60$b11823d9@dan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:59:09 -0600 Status: RO Thank you, you wonderful person! Sheryl Nance-Durst At 07:15 PM 11/16/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but there are huge scans >of jewellery, armour, textiles and a lot of other things at: > >http://rubens.anu.edu.au/ > >best wishes >Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 16:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13028 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:04:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGL51Yb021966; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGL50QD026698; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAGL4uQD026649 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWsrKq1/UysCqK11xHKVc49g/U7r1bpMPSQ=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHRZQXPC; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:04:35 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021116.155825.-264597.1.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-10 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Subject: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:58:25 -0500 Status: RO I have been wanting to make the gown pictured at http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/blackmary.jpg and decided to do some research. Janet Arnold in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked says that the gown is topped with a partlet. Ashleford says that it is one piece. I tend to go along with Arnold because she really is an Elizabethan authority and because the picture appears to have a silk gown with some trim at the top covered by a velvet partlet. Any observations from anyone who might have seen a better picture (or the original) would be appreciated. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 16:43:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13228 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:43:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLi2Yb023611; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLi0QD005412; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLh2QD005217 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp200.directcon.net [206.170.184.200]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAGLgshh027075; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:42:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021116134706.00bb46f0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown In-Reply-To: <20021116.155825.-264597.1.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:47:06 -0800 Status: RO At 03:58 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > I have been wanting to make the gown pictured at >http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/blackmary.jpg and >decided to do some research. Janet Arnold in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe >Unlocked says that the gown is topped with a partlet. Ashleford says >that it is one piece. I'd say it's a partlet. Look at the way the velvet part is extended beyond her left shoulder, a one piece gown wouldn't do that. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 16:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13236 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLo2Yb023886; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLo1QD006758; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGLnNQD006625 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net11sp200.directcon.net [206.170.184.200]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAGLnFhh027955; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:49:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021116135328.00bb2ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, "H-Costume" From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Photographing Costumes In-Reply-To: <001401c28bb0$bd1c7920$0100a8c0@gateway> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:53:28 -0800 Status: RO My husband, Wayne, has written an article on costume photography, covering everything from choosing digital or film cameras, lighting, modeling, postproduction work, and much more. You can see it at www.margospatterns.com. Enjoy! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 17:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13352 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:13:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMC1Yb024653; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMC0QD011098; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMBMQD010967 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-36-23-225.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.23.225] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18DB9t-0007CY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:11:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c28dbd$9c35c4a0$e11724d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021116.155825.-264597.1.catpurson@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:15:01 -0000 Status: RO Lalah wrote: > I have been wanting to make the gown pictured at > http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/blackmary.jpg and > decided to do some research. Janet Arnold in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe > Unlocked says that the gown is topped with a partlet. Ashleford says > that it is one piece. I tend to go along with Arnold because she really > is an Elizabethan authority and because the picture appears to have a > silk gown with some trim at the top covered by a velvet partlet. Any > observations from anyone who might have seen a better picture (or the > original) would be appreciated. You have clearly got magnificent taste; it's a truly lovely gown, but I'm not familiar with this portrait, beyond the 'rings faint bells' level, and I can't find an attribution as to where it is or who it's by. Can you tell me which museum/gallery is it in? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 17:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13561 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMx7Yb026626; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:59:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMx1QD020894; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.plugit.com (mail2.plugit.com [66.210.223.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAGMwxQD020883 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com [66.210.221.207] by mail2.plugit.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ADB248B801B4; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:58:58 -0600 Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id ADB2189A0146; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c28dc3$bd0bc700$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" References: <200211171020.gAHAKaG25141@www.casino-fun.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: Notification of PayPal Limited Account Access Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:58:52 -0500 Status: RO Please note that this fraud notice/email is going out via email. Ignore it. I don't even have an active paypal account with the address it was sent to. Look below. Penny Ladnier ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Permission" Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:20 AM Subject: Notification of PayPal Limited Account Access > > Dear, > > PayPal is constantly working to ensure security by regularly > screening the accounts in our system. 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For assistance, please visit the link below. > All of the information necessary to restore your account access is > available at: > > http://www.paypal-ebay.com [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Plugit.com Virus Scanners (http://www.plugit.com)] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 19:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14042 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH0m2Yb000866; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH0m0QD013768; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web80109.mail.yahoo.com (web80109.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.82]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAH0lBQD013591 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:47:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117004711.74131.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.58.232.204] by web80109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:47:11 PST From: HEATHER CUTLER Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021114183547.77643.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-791345583-1037494031=:73871" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:47:11 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-791345583-1037494031=:73871 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have to second what Nicole said. If I was even close to those measurements, I'd jump on it. Good Luck! Moira Lovely gown, great cat indeed, and oh my, if I had those measurements I would bid on it. Nicole --0-791345583-1037494031=:73871 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have to second what Nicole said.  If I was even close to those measurements, I'd jump on it.  Good Luck!

Moira

 
Lovely gown, great cat indeed, and oh my, if I had those measurements I would
bid on it.

Nicole

--0-791345583-1037494031=:73871-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14099 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1C3Yb001925; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1C1QD018908; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web80103.mail.yahoo.com (web80103.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.76]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAH1B0QD018741 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:11:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117011100.56475.qmail@web80103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.58.232.204] by web80103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:11:00 PST From: HEATHER CUTLER Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ren Gown on E-bay To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021115.121727.-154569.1.catpurson@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1938094473-1037495460=:56288" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:11:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-1938094473-1037495460=:56288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly, Lalah. ;-D Of course, nobody would be likely to recognize me, either.;-) A number of people don't even recognize at first now that I'm out of the wheelchair.;-) Moira If I had those measurements I would be doing a happy dance in all kinds of beautiful, fitted gowns. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender --0-1938094473-1037495460=:56288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Exactly, Lalah. ;-D  Of course, nobody would be likely to recognize me, either.;-)  A number of people don't even recognize at first now that I'm out of the wheelchair.;-)

Moira


If I had those measurements I would be doing a happy dance in all
kinds of beautiful, fitted gowns.

Lalah
Never give up, Never surrender

--0-1938094473-1037495460=:56288-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 20:16:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14129 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:16:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1I2Yb002220; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1I1QD019999; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web80101.mail.yahoo.com (web80101.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.74]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAH1HqQD019968 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:17:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117011752.29156.qmail@web80101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.58.232.204] by web80101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:17:52 PST From: HEATHER CUTLER Subject: Re: [h-cost] "No Madam, I am NOT a tart!" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1483957578-1037495872=:29127" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:17:52 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --0-1483957578-1037495872=:29127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wouldn't that imply that Queen Elizabeth I would have been a tart as a young woman? MoiraSo, why in the world did she ask that question? the red dress thing again? --0-1483957578-1037495872=:29127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

Wouldn't that imply that Queen Elizabeth I would have been a tart as a young woman?

Moira

So, why in the world did she ask that question? the red dress thing
again?
--0-1483957578-1037495872=:29127-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 20:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14225 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1m2Yb003383; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1m1QD025818; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH1ltQD025782 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAH1hddS007520 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:43:40 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:50:12 -0800 Status: RO Charlemagne's crown, or the Crown of Otto I? Which is the herking great thing that you see in all the books with the enamel work? I would ask on the Drachenwald website since the crowns "live" over there. Also, the Kingdom got new crowns in April (used for the first time in June) that are drop dead gorgeous AND hinged. Very easy to carry around and polish as well as period. I have a book from an exhibition that must have taken place sometime in the 30's which brought together all the surviving crowns they could get their hands on, around 140 or so, and pictured them. Most of the medieval ones that were not "grave crowns" were of hinged plaques. Regina -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kala Jathos Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:42 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Well, I know that the crown was made of seperate panels that are hinged together, so they come apart for cleaning. I don't know if that would help, but it's *definately* easier to work panel by panel than to try and make it all at once, like a hat. (I think you can even see the little hinges in the photo - it looks like a line of tiny beads, but there's actually a little gold pin in there holding the panels together. I saw a picture once of the crown being taken apart for cleaning, but that was in middle school at least, and a good 6 years distant.) -Laura Re: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:01:30AM +0000, N Kipar wrote: > http://www.ruppenthal.de/html/bildreichsk.html > I can't think how to achieve the metal panels in any kind of > realistic way. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Nov 16 22:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14507 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:00:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH323Yb006440; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH320QD011754; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from axion-it.net (rh3.axion-it.com [209.183.229.30]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH31oQD011693 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [65.130.105.44] (account suellen@ccaol.com HELO sue) by axion-it.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b6) with ESMTP id 5439760 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:01:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c28de5$ed08cf80$bc76fea9@stargate.net> From: "Sue" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:03:23 -0500 Status: RO I have a vintage clothing website also- not nearly so expensive, but then again not anything older than 19th Century. Click on my address below Cordially, Sue Shatto 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 http://www.VictorianMillinery.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Cole" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Antique clothing websites > Okay, if you like that website, you HAVE to look at these: > > www.antique-fashion.com > www.antiquedress.com > www.vintagetextile.com > > Karen Augusta's site (the first of the links above) has some particularly > spectacular things for the Victorian-obsessive (check out the museum > archives for stuff sold in the past) > > Kate > > > > > >Message: 2 > >From: "Stevie Gamble" > >To: > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:32:34 -0000 > >Subject: [h-cost] rare and unusual costumes and textiles 17th-mid20th > >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >Hi all, > > > >http://www.meg-andrews.com/index.htm > > > >Some achingly beautiful pieces here, with achingly horrendous prices, > >but it's really worth a look:-) > > > >best wishes > >Stevie > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 00:33:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14987 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:33:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH5Z3Yb011592; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH5Z1QD011324; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAH5Y3QD011166 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m181.in-tch.com [216.166.191.181]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAH5IRf12681 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:18:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD72A5C.DE30C77D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown References: <3.0.6.32.20021116134706.00bb46f0@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:34:20 -0700 Status: RO I agree with Margo--definitely a partlet. For one, it's clearly a different fabric than the main fabric of the gown, and off the top of my head, I don't recall any examples of gowns done in two fabrics, with the 2nd fabric starting half way up the chest. --sue Margo Anderson wrote: > > At 03:58 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > > I have been wanting to make the gown pictured at > >http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/blackmary.jpg and > >decided to do some research. Janet Arnold in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe > >Unlocked says that the gown is topped with a partlet. Ashleford says > >that it is one piece. > > I'd say it's a partlet. Look at the way the velvet part is extended beyond > her left shoulder, a one piece gown wouldn't do that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 05:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16186 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:32:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAY3Yb020452; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAY1QD028573; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHAXOQD028464 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:33:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117103323.42714.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:33:23 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <003601c28d84$e91a2740$b11823d9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:33:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Stevie Gamble wrote: > Hi all, > > Another for the lace experts: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922148372 I don't think it's Brussels lace. > I'm puzzled as to how anything that delicate could survive for > centuries:-) I have laces that are appr 100 years older than the one in the piccies, they come mainly from this seller. She is very recommendable, all her items are superb. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 05:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16246 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:57:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAx2Yb020915; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAx1QD002443; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAw7QD002340 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.161]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E60AC480C17 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:58:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c28e28$97100240$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <002e01c28d81$d95948c0$b11823d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century lace cap back MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:00:49 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. Congratulations with your beautifull cap. I am not an expert with these regency caps, but i would suggest you make yourself a nice cup of coffe and put on Pride and Prejudice. Then keep your eyes close to the mother of the daughters. She wears a lot of beautifull lace caps. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century lace cap back > Hi all, > > Well, I am now the proud owner of a 'lovely late 18th Century cap back > ' > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=920034761&rd=1 > > for my costume for the Georgian Ball at Bath next spring. Gulp. > I have found a reference to lace cap backs at the Honiton lace museum, > but it doesn't tell me anything about cap fronts. Or, indeed, whether > there were any fronts. > Help! > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 06:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16323 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHBJ2Yb021452; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHBJ1QD005472; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHBIIQD005350 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:18:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.161]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BC06480312 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:18:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00c901c28e2b$6a1d05a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <003301c28d79$12e6f3c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DD65908.33560976@gti.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period patterns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:21:03 +0100 Status: RO Hi Deb Rosenborg Castle do have a website, but it only shows the times they are open. The exhibition will be in february and the catalog with patterns wont come before then. I am going to have it, and if others on this list would like a copy, perhaps i could do the posting for you. Ill get back to it in february, promise. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] period patterns > Bjarne, > Is /will there be a web site for this exhibit? Or a catalog? > ***Deb R > > > I just had the news that Castle Rosenborg in Copenhagen is having an > > exhibition starting in february next year. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 06:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16363 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:37:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHBc4Yb022092; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHBc1QD010593; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHBb8QD010481 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:37:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117113708.29448.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:08 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Linda Krecker-Schkred > Sue, you may very well be the first or one of the first to try this. > The book you have sited has the only real explanation I've seen of > this technique. most information about tablet weaving are all about > separate braids as you have said. although I can't help much here, I > would like to encourage you to try to figure it out. Both for your > benefit and the general knowledge base. Sue Peacock (my BF's mum) from Angelcynn did this several time, and even set up looms with this, a couple are exhibited at West Stow Anglo-Saxon reconstrcuted village in Suffolk, East Anglia, in the museum and in the village part itself. Sadly, Sue passed away this Easter monday, but Richard, her widower, said he is putting together booklets from all her notes and experiments (she was an avid natural dyer too). Hopefully her knowledge won't be lost. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 07:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16452 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHCX2Yb023636; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHCX1QD019067; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHCWRQD018982 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:32:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18DOb9-0004XX-0W; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:32:24 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Robin Netherton From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about tablet weaving... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:31:02 +0000 Status: RO I have done tablet-weaving onto an edge - I used it to make lacing-holes to pull my fitted 12th century dress tight at the sides, by sewing it on for a bit, then just weaving normally for a bit, then sewing it on again. Because I was nervous about attaching the tablet to the dress itself, in case it ripped out, I made little panels, wove onto the edges of that, then sewed the panels safely onto the dress. If you're used to tablet-weaving, it's fairly simple (though it would have been easier with the fabric somehow held in a frame as well as the tablet-warp), but I agree, I wouldn't do this for your first weaving project. It's tricky to get the tension right while sewing with the same thread. Jean Linda Krecker-Schkred wrote >No!!! Don't tell her that, Robin!!! Encourage her to do this edging so >she'll write a How-to, post or publish it somewhere for the rest of us >poor souls who would like to do this but can't figure it out. >:) > >Sue, you may very well be the first or one of the first to try this. >The book you have sited has the only real explanation I've seen of this >technique. most information about tablet weaving are all about separate >braids as you have said. although I can't help much here, I would like >to encourage you to try to figure it out. Both for your benefit and the >general knowledge base. > >Linda K-S > >At 2:29 AM -0600 11/15/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >>On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: >> >>> I've spent part of the evening puzzling over the sleeve bits in the MoL >>> book on textiles, with the aim of picking up some authentic details for >>> a fitted gown I want to make for myself. There are several mentions of >>> edgings on things that turn out to be narrow tablet-woven bands, woven >>> directly onto the raw edge of the sleeve ... >>> (see what you're making me do, Robin? or do I get to blame Teddy, >>> too...no, wait, I'll blame him when I'm sticking my fingers, making >>> cloth buttons....;-) >> >>:-) Don't blame me for the tablet-woven edges. They're cool, indeed, but I >>can't tablet-weave and don't need another hobby, so I have pointed myself >>to the finds that show that other seam edgings were used too, and followed >>those as my model. If you tablet-weave your edges, you'll certainly get >>extra cheers, but if you decide not to tablet-weave, that doesn't mean >>your garment is any less authentic in style. >> >>The cloth buttons are easy easy. Teddy learned from me via email, they're >>that easy. But I still generally use metal ones. Plenty of evidence for >>those too, and other types as well. You have lots of choices, not just >>labor-intensive ones. >> >>--Robin >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 09:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16724 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEG3Yb026337; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEG1QD004126; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEF6QD004017 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-22-245.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.22.245] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18DQCX-0007YM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c28e44$3ecdf300$f51623d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20021117103323.42714.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:18:47 -0000 Status: RO Nicole wrote, of > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922148372 > > I don't think it's Brussels lace. I must confess that my copy of Pat Earnshaw's book is currently buried beneath stacks of material and fur, awaiting my creation of a Macbeth of barbaric splendour which I hope may be somewhat closer to the period than the costuming one normally sees. Provided, that is, I can persuade my lungs to behave themselves for a while. So I should be grateful for clarification of why it's not Brussels lace, and what it is instead:-) best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 09:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16740 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEM1Yb026476; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEM1QD005019; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lutetium (lutetium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.116]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHELUQD004956 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-35-22-245.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.22.245] helo=dan) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18DQIj-00005f-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01c28e45$23aca5c0$f51623d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <002e01c28d81$d95948c0$b11823d9@dan> <000801c28e28$97100240$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century lace cap back MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:25:11 -0000 Status: RO Bjarne said: i would suggest you make > yourself a nice cup of coffe and put on Pride and Prejudice. Then keep your > eyes close to the mother of the daughters. She wears a lot of beautifull > lace caps. Embarassing as this is to admit it, I don't possess the video/dvd/ whatever of Pride and Predjudice. Book yes, video no. However, I can probably get the video from the library, so I'll follow your advice and see if I can get some ideas as to how it looked. Many thanks Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 09:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16881 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEqEYb027373; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHEq0QD009978; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHEp1QD009799 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117145101.41201.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:51:01 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:51:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Ha! 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 11:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17240 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHGZDYb001615; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHGZ1QD029995; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHGYbQD029916 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DSNZ-0005Ju-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:34:37 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <000101c28e57$419d4500$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021116.155825.-264597.1.catpurson@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:34:52 -0700 Status: RO Saragrace T. Knauf 25313 West Illini Street Buckeye, AZ 85326-6431 I'd agree with Margo that it is more likely a partlet. I am interested also in anyone's thoughts on the construction of the collar/ruff. Is that a jeweled "choker" or is it elaborate embroidery on the gown (chemise?). Not the partlet collar. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:07:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21390 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:07:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHH5BYb002962; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHH50QD006454; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHH4oQD006406 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:04:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtRIG/x3XGF0a0h5Ar0gqgzUqbdxcwaibg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHT6DYSH; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:04:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <20021117.113729.-161063.0.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-11 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:29 -0500 Status: RO Thanks, Margo. I rely on you almost as much as Janet Arnold. I am modifying one of you Elizabethan patterns a bit to get the effect. The bodice is perfect but the sleeve isn't Elizabethan. However, the corset and chemise are made straight from your pattern. I did cheat a bit on the underskirt, but the gown I am making now is just a mock up from some cotton fabric that is pretty if not exactly proper for the period and will be fine to wear to events in the day time. The real thing is waiting until I get the kinks worked out on cheaper fabric. Thanks again, Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21440 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHIWYb003616; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:18:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHH0QD009253; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHHGfQD009193 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:16:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtRIG/x3XGF0Fn8SexGCSdlvLn9yaPM1GA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHT62MJK; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:15:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <20021117.114911.-161063.2.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:49:11 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Sue, I agree that a two fabric bodice is not something I have seen documented. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:26:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21499 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHSQYb004024; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHR0QD011501; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHQUQD011381 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r9p20.directcon.net [206.170.184.119]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id gAHHPxhh018843; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:25:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021117093012.00cb8e20@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown In-Reply-To: <20021117.113729.-161063.0.catpurson@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:30:12 -0800 Status: RO At 11:37 AM 11/17/2002 -0500, Lalah T Tillinghast wrote: > Thanks, Margo. I rely on you almost as much as Janet Arnold. That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me! Thank you! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21576 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHXQYb004252; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:33:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHW0QD012454; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHHRRQD011572 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtRIG/x3XGF0iJ9EIKhZG0zRhhnJJ1OAiA=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHT7N6TT; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:26:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <20021117.120032.-161063.3.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,11-13 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:00:31 -0500 Status: RO <<>> I have researched this gown to death and the only real problem I had was when I found Jane Ashelford calling it a solid bodice and not a bodice with partlet. The jeweled, embroidered collar is attached to the chemise and holds the ruff up. I am going to make it seperately and then just tack it on as the chemise will go in the washer and I think I want that collar hand washed. A bit of a nuisance to take it off, but not as bad as trying to salvage it from the washing machine. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21707 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:35:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHavYb004454; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:36:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHaHQD013421; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHSuQD011839 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:28:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHHj6A0026442; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:45:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHHj5si026440; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:45:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, "Saragrace Knauf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000101c28e57$419d4500$6601a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: <000101c28e57$419d4500$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211171245.05678.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAHHSuQD011839 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:45:05 -0500 Status: RO On Sunday 17 November 2002 11:34 am, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I'd agree with Margo that it is more likely a partlet. I am interested > also in anyone's thoughts on the construction of the collar/ruff. Is > that a jeweled "choker" or is it elaborate embroidery on the gown > (chemise?). Not the partlet collar. I think it's both--elaborate blackwork on the (high) collar of the chemise, with a red and gold carcanet worn over the collar. -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 12:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21962 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHp2Yb005060; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHHp1QD016616; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web41207.mail.yahoo.com (web41207.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.40]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHHonQD016569 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:50:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117175044.69313.qmail@web41207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web41207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:50:44 PST From: Sheila W-S To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021117105901.2442.55299.Mailman@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Mary gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:50:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown >>Lalah wrote: >>I have been wanting to make the gown pictured at >http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/blackmary.jpg >>and decided to do some research. Janet Arnold in Queen >>Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked says that the gown is >>topped with a partlet. I made this dress for a friend a couple years ago and we did it as a buckram-lined partlet. The dress was 10-yards of 45" wide black raw silk, with 3-yards of 45" wide black velveteen for the turned sleeves and the partlet. 1.5yds of 54" wide red brocade with a gold diamond pattern for the forepart and undersleeves with 3000 gold beads (3mm). It was fully lined with 6-yards of 60" wide black satin. We did the plasteron over the front to hide the lacings, scarlett-work on the cuffs of the undersleeves and needlelace on the cuffs and around the edges of the partlet. All told it took 4-people about 3-months, most of which was spent doing beading, embroidery and lace. Underneath she wore a white smock and 4-hooped farthingale, we boned the bodice and plasteron so there was no need for a seperate corset. The partlet used dress hook & eyes under the arms and a small hook & eye on the front. However the 2-times she wore it we sewed the front of the partlet to the plasteron so it wouldn't pull up when she moved her arms. I have a couple pictures scanned but haven't been able to post them, they're in Dreamweaver and when I tried to upload them awhile ago I got an error message that they were too big. Sheila Phoenix, AZ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 13:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22160 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:14:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIG2Yb006009; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIG1QD021587; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIF8QD021401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip144.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.144]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gAHIF2Y21253 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <3DD76C26.29243.2C308BC@localhost> Priority: normal References: <000101c28e57$419d4500$6601a8c0@mycomputer> In-reply-to: <200211171245.05678.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:15:02 -0800 Status: RO Cathy (responding to someone else) wrote: > > I'd agree with Margo that it is more likely a partlet. I am > > interested also in anyone's thoughts on the construction of the > > collar/ruff. Is that a jeweled "choker" or is it elaborate > > embroidery on the gown (chemise?). Not the partlet collar. > > > I think it's both--elaborate blackwork on the (high) collar of the > chemise, with a red and gold carcanet worn over the collar. I agree with that. Those "chokers" are called carcanets as she said. They show up in inventories and some of them still exist (although most of them were broken up and set into more "modern" styles in the 17th and 18th C.) They were worn alone or over a shirt/chemise/partlet (of the "under the clothes" style which were often highly embroidered) at the neck. There are a number of really good portraits illustrating this in the Ronald Lightbown book _Medieval European Jewellery_ and the Diana Scarisbrick book _Jewellery in Britain 1066-1837_. The partlets of the "over the clothes" sort often had elaborate gold work or black work or white work on the linings in the collar area. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 13:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22294 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIb3Yb006935; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIb1QD026212; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHIaAQD025999 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWtRIG/x3XGF0DJtW2/oQtX9NWGSyy1l7Fg=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHUBLEKA; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:35:21 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Mary gown Message-ID: <20021117.130804.-161063.5.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 22-24 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:08:04 -0500 Status: RO Sheila, that sounds magnificent. I have black silk dupioni, red silk satin and black and white velvet as well as the metal lace already collected. I am presently doing it in some cotton fabric that I have available for a mock up. (Would you believe pink polished cotton for the overgown? How bad is that?) I can't afford to mess up the silk and this is my first Tudor/Elizabethan. Well, the first for me. I dressed several dolls in Tudor/Elizabethan and one in this very gown. But doll size is one thing, a gown for a 5' 9", 160 lb 68 year old lady is a whole different ball game. I like the black as it tends to diminish my ample waistline which the pink sure as heck won't do. But what the heck, at my age I can do what I want and I like pink. I used Margo's pattern for Elizabethan Ladies to make the corset and chemise (smock). The bodice and skirts are easy enough with Margo's patterns. the partlet and sleeves are not Elizabethan enough, but I think I have them worked out. I love the idea of tacking the partlet to the gown . I had thought I might use a fancy pin to hold it, but if I can't find the right one, tacking should solve the problem as long as I keep my arms down. Thanks. I plan to go with hook and eyes for the front closure. Stays down the front edge should keep it from gaping and the corset is going to take the pressure not the bodice so it should work. It won't be too big of a problem as long as I allow myself a couple of hours to get dressed. I am really excited about this. I have been wearing tunics with sideless surcotes for over a year now and am ready for something a bit prettier. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 15:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22791 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:08:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKA3Yb010656; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKA1QD017678; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.4]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHK9aQD017558 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:09:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A92C6262D15 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:09:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c28e75$ae947d40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021117103323.42714.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <003601c28e44$3ecdf300$f51623d9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:12:40 +0100 Status: RO Dear Stevie. I think this lace is a Brussels bobbin (point d'angleterre) With a droschel ground. Each stitch has 4 wholestitch made before next stitch is made. It is another kind of tulle ground. Only tulle dont have stitches but twists in stead of the 4 wholestitches. If this make any sense for you? That it is 18th century, there is no doubts!!! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevie Gamble" To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE > Nicole wrote, of > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922148372 > > > > I don't think it's Brussels lace. > > I must confess that my copy of Pat Earnshaw's book is currently buried > beneath stacks of material and fur, awaiting my creation of a Macbeth > of barbaric splendour which I hope may be somewhat closer to the > period than the costuming one normally sees. Provided, that is, I can > persuade my lungs to behave themselves for a while. > So I should be grateful for clarification of why it's not Brussels > lace, and what it is instead:-) > > best wishes > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 15:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22903 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:34:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKa3Yb011760; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKa1QD023789; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKZrQD023745 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DW92-00053k-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:35:53 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier Message-ID: <000401c28e78$f6537700$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20021117145101.41201.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:36:08 -0700 Status: RO Nicole, do you have an address as well as a phone number? Saragrace T. Knauf 25313 West Illini Street Buckeye, AZ 85326-6431 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:51 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier Ha! At last! Went to the Re-enactors' market on Friday, bought something like over 20 meters of diverse linens for 5 pounds per meter! from my favourite linen people (who are just lovely, BTW) and here is their contact address: Fabric of Time Laurie and Elaine Tel. 0044 (0)1522 595597 The linen is GOOOOOOOOOORGEOUS! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 15:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22933 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKe1Yb011925; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKe1QD024763; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHKdFQD024578 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=mycomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DWCJ-0001F3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:39:15 -0800 From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier-another contact Message-ID: <000501c28e79$6eda6a30$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20021117145101.41201.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:39:31 -0700 Status: RO Saragrace T. Knauf 25313 West Illini Street Buckeye, AZ 85326-6431 I have been in contact with an Irish linen provider from New York as well. His nicest (about 3.5 oz/yard) sells for $15 yard whole sale. (The not as nice [2.5 oz/yard] but still very nice is $13.00 yard) I am toying with the idea of buying a couple hundred yards and reselling at cost plus shipping. Would anyone be interested? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 17:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23973 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHMo6Yb017014; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHMo1QD022950; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAHMntQD022904 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:49:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021117224954.76274.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:49:54 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000401c28e78$f6537700$6601a8c0@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:49:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO No, sorry, they don't give out their private address on their card. I've been buying from them for a few years now. I'm afraid you'll have to phone at UK times. Nicole --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Nicole, do you have an address as well as a phone number? > > Saragrace T. Knauf > 25313 West Illini Street > Buckeye, AZ 85326-6431 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On > Behalf Of N Kipar > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:51 AM > To: H-Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Irish fine linen supplier > > Ha! At last! Went to the Re-enactors' market on Friday, bought something > like > over 20 meters of diverse linens for 5 pounds per meter! from my > favourite > linen people (who are just lovely, BTW) and here is their contact > address: > > Fabric of Time > Laurie and Elaine > Tel. 0044 (0)1522 595597 > > The linen is GOOOOOOOOOORGEOUS! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: nicole@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: nicole@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 20:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24749 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:17:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1J3Yb023344; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1J0QD026344; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1IoQD026290 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m138.in-tch.com [216.166.191.138]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAI13Cf07552 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:03:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DD84009.62A28D5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period patterns References: <003301c28d79$12e6f3c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3DD65908.33560976@gti.net> <00c901c28e2b$6a1d05a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:19:05 -0700 Status: RO Hey, Bjarne...you may end of being a proxy purchaser for a bunch of us! After all, a person can never have too many costuming books..... --sue, prying herself away from the computer to go back to her needlework.... Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi Deb > > Rosenborg Castle do have a website, but it only shows the times they are > open. > The exhibition will be in february and the catalog with patterns wont come > before then. > I am going to have it, and if others on this list would like a copy, perhaps > i could do the posting for you. > Ill get back to it in february, promise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 20:47:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24881 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1h4Yb024485; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1h1QD001811; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI1gAQD001619 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 (c-24-130-252-190.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with SMTP id <20021118014203053004bbn4e>; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:42:03 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01c28ea3$b12376a0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C28E60.A2E386E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:42:02 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C28E60.A2E386E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh my god, it's the motherlode! There's a new book out called "Fashion: A History from the 18th to the = 20th Century" that features the collection of the Kyoto Costume = Institute. =20 This book is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! It's 768 pages (I swear, it's a phone = book!) and practically every page is a gorgeous, glossy, full color = photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume collection. There's 4 = chapters on the 18th, 19th, first half of the 20th, and second half of = the 20th centuries, and they each take up roughly 1/4 of the book. Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of = them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution = of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your = chance. Even better? It's only $40. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822812064//qid=3D103758328= 0/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dglance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpic= tures Click on "See More Pictures" (under the book cover photo) for scans from = the book. - Kendra ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C28E60.A2E386E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh my god, it's the = motherlode!
 
There's a new book out called = "Fashion:  A=20 History from the 18th to the 20th Century" that features the collection = of the=20 Kyoto Costume Institute. 
 
This book is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!  = It's 768=20 pages (I swear, it's a phone book!) and practically every page is a = gorgeous,=20 glossy, full color photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume=20 collection.  There's 4 chapters = on the 18th,=20 19th, first half of the 20th, and second half of the 20th centuries, and = they=20 each take up roughly 1/4 of the book.
 
Best of all, this book reprints many = images (it=20 might even be all of them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in = Fashion"=20 and "Evolution of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, = here's=20 your chance.
 
Even better?  It's only = $40.
 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822= 812064//qid=3D1037583280/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dgl= ance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpictures
Click on "See More Pictures" (under the = book cover=20 photo) for scans from the book.
 
- Kendra
 
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C28E60.A2E386E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 22:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25354 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3g2Yb000527; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3g1QD029520; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3fbQD029423 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:41:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from p50-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.217.50] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Dcn0-00044A-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:41:35 +1300 Message-ID: <004c01c28eb4$683ad9e0$32d9adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <006a01c28ea3$b12376a0$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C28F21.5E860790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:41:40 +1300 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C28F21.5E860790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you kendra... I am going to get this book.. even if I have to buy = it from Amazon myself;).. however Borders might be an idea.... michaela ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kendra Van Cleave=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book Oh my god, it's the motherlode! There's a new book out called "Fashion: A History from the 18th to = the 20th Century" that features the collection of the Kyoto Costume = Institute. =20 This book is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! It's 768 pages (I swear, it's a = phone book!) and practically every page is a gorgeous, glossy, full = color photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume collection. = There's 4 chapters on the 18th, 19th, first half of the 20th, and second = half of the 20th centuries, and they each take up roughly 1/4 of the = book. Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of = them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution = of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your = chance. Even better? It's only $40. = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822812064//qid=3D103758328= 0/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dglance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpic= tures Click on "See More Pictures" (under the book cover photo) for scans = from the book. - Kendra ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C28F21.5E860790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you kendra... I am going to get = this book..=20 even if I have to buy it from Amazon myself;).. however Borders might be = an=20 idea....
 
michaela
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kendra = Van=20 Cleave
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 = 2:42=20 PM
Subject: [h-cost] New Kyoto = Costume=20 Institute book

Oh my god, it's the = motherlode!
 
There's a new book out called = "Fashion:  A=20 History from the 18th to the 20th Century" that features the = collection of the=20 Kyoto Costume Institute. 
 
This book is ABSOLUTELY = AMAZING!  It's 768=20 pages (I swear, it's a phone book!) and practically every page is a = gorgeous,=20 glossy, full color photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume=20 collection.  There's 4 = chapters on the=20 18th, 19th, first half of the 20th, and second half of the 20th = centuries, and=20 they each take up roughly 1/4 of the book.
 
Best of all, this book reprints many = images (it=20 might even be all of them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in = Fashion"=20 and "Evolution of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of = those,=20 here's your chance.
 
Even better?  It's only = $40.
 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822= 812064//qid=3D1037583280/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dgl= ance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpictures
Click on "See More Pictures" (under = the book=20 cover photo) for scans from the book.
 
- Kendra
 
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C28F21.5E860790-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Nov 17 22:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25369 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:44:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3j4Yb000728; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3j4QD000402; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3hfQD029854 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:43:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.208]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5R006R06CNGH@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANTIQUE LACE-CIRCA 1760,BRUSSELS LACE In-reply-to: <003601c28d84$e91a2740$b11823d9@dan> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021117183939.0501cb80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:40:12 -0800 Status: RO >I'm puzzled as to how anything that delicate could survive for >centuries:-) By not ever having been used for anything? By being packed away safely for most of the intervening time? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 00:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25774 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI533Yb004793; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI530QD016808; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAI521QD016604 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021118050200.33016.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:02:00 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Help with French fashion circa 1510 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:02:00 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, I've just had a query from my Baroness on an image in a colouring book called "Renaissance Fashions" by Tom Tierney. I haven't seen this book or heard of it, and I've told her that I'll be asking around on all the costuming lists I'm on, so I'm hoping someone can help me to help her. In it there's a picture of a French lady, circa 1510, whose gown she wants to document. She hasn't seen anything like this before, and would like to make sure of its authenticity before she goes ahead and buys fabric etc. Unfortunately she doesn't have a scanner right now, so I'm unable to provide an image... Here's her description: "The gown is split to the waist up the front and doesn't quite reach the ground at the front. It is shaped where it hangs to a point and then goes back up again slightly to give it a hankercheif look, are you still with me because this is the bit that I'm having a hard time describing. It isn't a straight split, it is from around knee level up and the pieces almost meet in the middle then it is shaped off to the end in a V shape like a hanky shape. The gown is a plain fabric on top and a brocade lining. It has a train at the back. She is wearing a petticoat to the floor that can be seen below the gown at the front and up to the waist through the slit, it isn't your cheap nasty petticoat as it is designed to be seen. The bodice part of the gown is just straight across the top of the bust and is the same fabric as the bottom of the gown. The sleeves are made from the brocade and are bell? shaped and hang to around mid fore arm, below that she has sleeves that are full and tied at the wrist. She is wearing a square neck chemise and I have no idea on where to start with hat description. I'm guessing it would lace up at the back as I don't have a back view of it." Does anyone know what the style described is? Is it an authentic style? Could anyone point me to a picture from a painting or portrait? Many thanks in advance, Bella http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 00:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25876 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5X4Yb006050; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5X3QD023028; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5WrQD022974 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:32:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.186.253.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.186.253]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DeWi-0007eI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:51:44 -0800 Status: RO At 5:50 PM -0800 11/16/02, Wanda Pease wrote: >I have a book from an exhibition that must have >taken place sometime in the 30's which brought together all the surviving >crowns they could get their hands on, around 140 or so, and pictured them. >Most of the medieval ones that were not "grave crowns" were of hinged >plaques. Title, author, publisher? I may add it to my "if it ever turns up..." book list. I'm always a sucker for Books of Glittery Stuff. :-) (Considering the publication date, I assume it's all black and white?) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 00:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25933 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5q2Yb006791; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5q1QD026497; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f63.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5pnQD026445 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:51:44 -0800 Received: from 12.231.158.181 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:51:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.158.181] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 05:51:44.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[932AA6F0:01C28EC6] Subject: [h-cost] Need quick links Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:51:44 -0800 Status: RO I'm begging for more photo generosity from the list members. I have the chance to help someone begin a new business concept. She is hosting "Period" tea parties for little girls and I get to make the costumes the girls will be wearing to these little fetes. She is expecting a 6-12 yr old age range and wants the costumes to be as adjustable fitwise as possible. What I really need is just tons of pictures of Victorian to Edwardian children in settings/clothing that would have been appropriate for a tea party. I need to visually submerge myself into the looks and styles so that when I go to look for patterns or fabrics I will be familiar enough to avoid any major faux pas. Our first serious planning meeting is Wed. and I'd like to have come up with an outline to work from. A couple of basic choices to elaborate on or whatever. Please reply offline to distantdesigns@hotmail.com Thanks in advance, Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 00:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25951 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5w2Yb007183; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5w1QD028150; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI5vXQD028020 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI6DqA0027985; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:13:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by minx.thyrsus.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI6DpFg027983; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:13:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@indra.com, Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with French fashion circa 1510 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021118050200.33016.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021118050200.33016.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211180113.51584.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAI5vXQD028020 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cathy@thyrsus.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:13:51 -0500 Status: RO On Monday 18 November 2002 12:02 am, Bella wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just had a query from my Baroness on an image in > a colouring book called "Renaissance Fashions" by Tom > Tierney. I haven't seen this book or heard of it, and > I've told her that I'll be asking around on all the > costuming lists I'm on, so I'm hoping someone can help > me to help her. > > In it there's a picture of a French lady, circa 1510, > whose gown she wants to document. She hasn't seen > anything like this before, and would like to make sure > of its authenticity before she goes ahead and buys > fabric etc. Unfortunately she doesn't have a scanner > right now, so I'm unable to provide an image... [description cut here] I'm having a hard time getting a mental picture of your Baroness's description, and I don't have a lot of expertise with very early 16th c French fashion, However, if her source is a Tierney coloring book (he's done a whole series of these for Dover), I say "don't trust it." My experience with his work is that where he does use a source with which I'm familiar, he tends to misinterpret the costume in his redrawing. For example, in his coloring book called "Medieval Fashions", he features a drawing of a lady from the "April" picture from the Tres Riches Heures. His picture shows her wearing a sheer cape with a beaded edge, though it is clear from the original minature that she is simply wearing a very long beaded necklace. I hope someone on the list will recognize the picture and either point you to the original Tierney is butchering or otherwise get you an authoritative answer for your Baroness. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you odd." --Flannery O'Connor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 06:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15309 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIBW6Yb018360; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIBW0QD027825; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIBV1QD027644 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA13908 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200211181152.DAA13908@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Norweigian/Icelandic dress question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:52:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO This is an excerpt from Eirik's Saga, describing the spae-wife: She came in the evening with the man who had been sent to meet her, then she was dressed like this, so that she had a blue mantle fastened with straps, and stones were set all in the flap above; on her neck she had glass beads, a black lambskin hood on her head with white catskin inside; and she had a staff in her hand with a knob on it; it was made with brass and stones were set above in the knob; she had a belt of touch-wood, and on it was a large skin pouch, and there she kept safe her talismans (taufr) which she needed to get knowledge. She had on her feet shaggy calfskin shoes with long thongs and large knobs on the ends of those. She had on her hands catskin gloves, and they were white inside and shaggy. Any idea what that "mantle" would look like? I'm trying to figure out what is meant by "fastened with straps" and "the flap above." I just don't know enough about this period to get a clear picture of what is meant. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 09:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17588 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:55:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIEv4Yb026553; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIEv0QD013511; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIEu6QD013244 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from host217-39-22-6.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.22.6] helo=dan) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18DnJl-0002bK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c28f13$23e29e40$061627d9@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Lovely Bolt of Antique Irish Linen on ebay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:59:48 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, 'Lovely Bolt of Antique Irish Linen' http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=921489054 This e-bay item may be of interest, auction finishes in another hour and 40 minutes or so. I'd be interested myself but the shipping of the bolt to the UK may be prohibitive:-( If anyone wants to share the 11 yards or so I'd be very, very interested:-) best wishes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 11:40:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18176 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIGf2Yb005990; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIGf0QD029948; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIGeWQD029723 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id gAIGdaQM048897 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:39:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200211181639.gAIGdaQM048897@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photographing Costumes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Margo Anderson" at Nov 16, 2002 01:53:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:39:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO oh, thank you wayne. I whimper and cry all the time at how many beautiful costumes are just killed with bad photography. Glad there's a resource for this now! > > My husband, Wayne, has written an article on costume photography, covering > everything from choosing digital or film cameras, lighting, modeling, > postproduction work, and much more. You can see it at > www.margospatterns.com. Enjoy! > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 13:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19155 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIc8Yb018400; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIc1k8005247; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAIIbJk8004842 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgRJzJyCoD037Pa5sHVniEhd93NN0rnJUw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHWV4ANZ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:37:05 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20021118.123719.-420811.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] The Saga Continues..... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:03 -0600 Status: RO I have added the next installment of 'To Dress A Queen'. http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ Karen ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 14:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19354 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJDGYb021536; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJDFk8022812; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJCWk8022411 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.41.26da708a (3699) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <41.26da708a.2b0a9597@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41.26da708a.2b0a9597_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:23 EST Status: RO --part1_41.26da708a.2b0a9597_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/2002 8:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendrav@attbi.com writes: > Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of them, > I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution of > Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your chance. > > The images on Amazon look like exactly the same photos. What are the advantages to those of us who already have "Revolution in Fashion"? Ann Wass who just spent $100 on books, and is wondering about spending more. (One was "What Clothes Reveal"--wonderful!) --part1_41.26da708a.2b0a9597_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/2002 8:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendrav@attbi.com writes:


Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your chance.



The images on Amazon look like exactly the same photos.  What are the advantages to those of us who already have "Revolution in Fashion"?

Ann Wass
who just spent $100 on books, and is wondering about spending more. (One was "What Clothes Reveal"--wonderful!) --part1_41.26da708a.2b0a9597_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 14:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19355 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJD2Yb021510; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJD1k8022671; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJCWk8022404 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Everydayele@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 7.6d.268db3c (4012) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Everydayele@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.268db3c.2b0a9598@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.268db3c.2b0a9598_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 231 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume Book/1836 dress update Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:24 EST Status: RO --part1_6d.268db3c.2b0a9598_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Kendra, Thanks so much for your post about this book I just ordered it right now at Amazon. A few weeks back when I posted about the 1836 style dresses that I am working on, AlbertCat had suggested getting a hold of the Evolution of Fashion catalog from Kyoto. I logged onto their site but was unable to find out if it was still available, I also E-mailed a request to them for it, but they haven't responded. The dresses are coming out fabulous! (If I may so boast :) Once I realized that the armhole is similar to a dropped shoulder with a higher opening, and reoriented my thinking about the armhole being on the upper arm instead of the contemporary armscye location, I was set. I am boning the bodices, since corsets won't be worn. (thanks for the suggestion AlbertCat. No corsets allowed is not a matter of discomfort, it's a budgetary issue.) Take care Angela --part1_6d.268db3c.2b0a9598_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Kendra,

Thanks so much for your post about this book I just ordered it right now at Amazon.
A few weeks back when I posted about the 1836 style dresses that I am working on, AlbertCat had suggested getting a hold of the Evolution of Fashion catalog from Kyoto.  I logged onto their site but was unable to find out if it was still available, I also E-mailed a request to them for it, but they haven't responded.

The dresses are coming out fabulous!  (If I may so boast :)  
Once I realized that the armhole is similar to a dropped shoulder with a higher opening, and reoriented my thinking about the armhole being on the upper arm instead of the contemporary armscye location, I was set.
I am boning the bodices, since corsets won't be worn. (thanks for the suggestion AlbertCat. No corsets allowed is not a matter of discomfort, it's a budgetary issue.)

Take care
Angela


 --part1_6d.268db3c.2b0a9598_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 14:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:18:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJK4Yb022216; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJK0k8026444; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJJgk8026271 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.154] (as3-4-168.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.154]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAIJJel01331 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:19:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:28:00 -0800 Status: RO At 9:51 AM -0800 11/17/02, Chris Laning wrote: >At 5:50 PM -0800 11/16/02, Wanda Pease wrote: >>I have a book from an exhibition that must have >>taken place sometime in the 30's which brought together all the surviving >>crowns they could get their hands on, around 140 or so, and pictured them. >>Most of the medieval ones that were not "grave crowns" were of hinged >>plaques. > >Title, author, publisher? If it isn't: Biehn, Heinz. 1957. Die Kronen Europas. Limes Verlag, Wiesbaden. then there are two such exhibition catalogs in existence. >I may add it to my "if it ever turns up..." book list. I'm always a >sucker for Books of Glittery Stuff. :-) > >(Considering the publication date, I assume it's all black and white?) That's my recollection. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 15:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19659 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIK53Yb026039; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIK51k8020116; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIK4fk8019929 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:04:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be5d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.93]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ED52480EB1 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:04:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c28f3d$bd6a42f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Arkeological finds in Denmark Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:04:45 +0100 Status: RO Hi the list! Yesterday i was watching a program in the television about arkeologic finds in Copenhagen. We have had a lot of digging in the old streets of Copenhagen because they made a subway tube. Some of the most interresting finds for this list was a hairnet from 15th. century, miraculous in a fantastic condition. And one gentlemans shoe 15th. century a so called "Kohmule" (Cow Mouth?) I dont know what you call these shoes, but they are funny shaped like a cows nose. And the peace the feet is resting on is very narrow. I wondered how they walked with these shoes, big men with heavy clothes, and then these funny shoes. They were not made for a worker, that is for sure. I should not have worn those if i had had 3 glasses of wine!!! Another remarkable find was a fine piece of silk. It had 125 threads in the weft and 30 in the warp (or was it the other way round? for each square centimeter!!! I know the question about hairnet has ben up on this list several times, i did not follow it, but maybe someone here gets surprised. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 15:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19845 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKj3Yb029776; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKj1k8011037; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKiok8010932 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be5d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.93]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BE01A5EF123 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:44:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c28f43$5b18fbe0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <41.26da708a.2b0a9597@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28F4B.BCB4CD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:44:57 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28F4B.BCB4CD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes this list is quite expensive to know!! I also had to order, and i ordered "What Clothes Reveal" two Those are christmas presents for myself! Bjarne =20 Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AnnBWass@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book In a message dated 11/17/2002 8:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, = kendrav@attbi.com writes: Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of = them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution = of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your = chance. The images on Amazon look like exactly the same photos. What are the = advantages to those of us who already have "Revolution in Fashion"? Ann Wass who just spent $100 on books, and is wondering about spending more. = (One was "What Clothes Reveal"--wonderful!)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28F4B.BCB4CD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes this list is quite expensive to=20 know!!
I also had to order, and i ordered =  "What=20 Clothes Reveal" two
Those are christmas presents for=20 myself!
 
Bjarne
 
 
Leif og Bjarne Drews
www.my-drewscostumes.dk
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http://home0.inet.tele.dk/dr= ewscph/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AnnBWass@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 = 8:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto = Costume=20 Institute book

In a message dated 11/17/2002 8:46:01 PM Eastern = Standard=20 Time, kendrav@attbi.com=20 writes:


Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might = even be=20 all of them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and=20 "Evolution of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, = here's=20 your chance.



The images on Amazon look like exactly the = same=20 photos.  What are the advantages to those of us who already have=20 "Revolution in Fashion"?

Ann Wass
who just spent $100 on = books, and=20 is wondering about spending more. (One was "What Clothes=20 Reveal"--wonderful!) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28F4B.BCB4CD40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 15:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19851 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKl1Yb029926; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKl1k8012046; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKkmk8011960 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be5d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.93]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 388585EF195 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:46:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c28f43$a1d273e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: References: <20021118.123719.-420811.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Continues..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:46:55 +0100 Status: RO Oh My This is indeed going to be a dress for a queen! It looks lovely, thankyou for letteing us have a look. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] The Saga Continues..... > I have added the next installment of 'To Dress A Queen'. > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ > > > Karen > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 16:03:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19970 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:03:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIL44Yb001511; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIL41HV021127; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.nyc.untd.com (m2.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAIL3cHV020798 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgRJzJyCoD03JNXupWvG3G7XOAmifCsWpQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHW6GD6B; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:03:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Continues..... Message-ID: <20021118.150406.-420811.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:04:06 -0600 Status: RO Thank-you! Coming from a person as talented as yourself, I consider that high praise indeed! Karen On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:46:55 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Oh My > > This is indeed going to be a dress for a queen! > It looks lovely, thankyou for letteing us have a look. > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 16:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20012 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAILG6Yb002597; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAILG4HV027517; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAILFZHV027223 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta05ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H5SJ1R00.8BQ for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:15:27 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.159 ([203.54.114.159]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2 101/1391355); 19 Nov 2002 07:15:22 Message-ID: <3DDA47AE.8D0FDFE6@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with French fashion circa 1510 References: <20021118050200.33016.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:16:14 -0800 Status: RO Bella wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just had a query from my Baroness on an image in > a colouring book called "Renaissance Fashions" by Tom > Tierney. I haven't seen this book or heard of it, and > I've told her that I'll be asking around on all the > costuming lists I'm on, so I'm hoping someone can help > me to help her. > > In it there's a picture of a French lady, circa 1510, > whose gown she wants to document. She hasn't seen > anything like this before, and would like to make sure > of its authenticity before she goes ahead and buys > fabric etc. Unfortunately she doesn't have a scanner > right now, so I'm unable to provide an image... > > Here's her description: > > "The gown is split to the waist up the front and > doesn't quite reach the ground at the front. It is > shaped where it hangs to a point and then goes back up > again slightly to give it a hankercheif look, are you > still with me because this is the bit that I'm having > a hard time describing. It isn't a straight split, it > is from around knee level up and the pieces almost > meet in the middle then it is shaped off to the end in > a V shape like a hanky shape. The gown is a plain > fabric on top and a brocade lining. It has a train at > the back. She is wearing a petticoat to the floor > that can be seen below the gown at the front and up to > the waist through the slit, it isn't your cheap nasty > petticoat as it is designed to be seen. The bodice > part of the gown is just straight across the top of > the bust and is the same fabric as the bottom of the > gown. The sleeves are made from the brocade and are > bell? shaped and hang to around mid fore arm, below > that she has sleeves that are full and tied at the > wrist. She is wearing a square neck chemise and I > have no idea on where to start with hat description. > I'm guessing it would lace up at the back as I don't > have a back view of it." > > Does anyone know what the style described is? Is it an > authentic style? Could anyone point me to a picture > from a painting or portrait? > Hmmm, it sounds like some of the turn of the 16th century allegorical stuff (the Lady and the Unicorn series of tapestries is a good example of this and should be famous enough to find a few pics of). I don't suppose there's any context with that image? What you generally find in this era is that the allegorical stuff is the same shape, colours and materials (more or less) as the real stuff, but tends to have less of the fantastical details like skirt splits, funky sleeves or wierd headdresses. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 18:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20770 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:24:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINO9Yb019257; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINO0HV011721; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINNrHV011660 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from post (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id gAINNA118389 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:23:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003901c28f59$6cb41e00$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> From: "mls" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:22:55 -0600 Status: RO Hi All! I know this is a late suggestion, but the art exhibit "Leonardo da Vinci and the Splendor of Poland" is FANTASTIC - from an art as well as costume/clothing point of view. It remains in Milwaukee, WI through 24 Nov then travels to Houston 8 Dec 2002 - 17 Feb 2003, or somewhere in CA after that. I've heard that the exhibit book is great, but have yet to get my hands on it. Regardless, the upcoming "Art of Late Renaissance Florence" and the attendant textile exhibit, "Renaissance Velvets and Silks" sound like wonderful follow-ups to the Milwaukee show. I cannot recommend the Milwaukee show enough. - It is beautiful. -marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 18:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20947 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:43:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINjFYb022720; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINjFHV023629; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINi8HV023058 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.134] (as3-4-148.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.134]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAINi0l02769; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:44:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200211181152.DAA13908@gw.retro.com> References: <200211181152.DAA13908@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norweigian/Icelandic dress question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:01:29 -0800 Status: RO At 3:52 AM -0800 11/18/02, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: >This is an excerpt from Eirik's Saga, describing the spae-wife: >She came in the evening with the man who had been sent to meet her, then she >was dressed like this, so that she had a blue mantle fastened with straps, and >stones were set all in the flap above; on her neck she had glass >beads, a black >lambskin hood on her head with white catskin inside; and she had a >staff in her >hand with a knob on it; it was made with brass and stones were set >above in the >knob; she had a belt of touch-wood, and on it was a large skin >pouch, and there >she kept safe her talismans (taufr) which she needed to get knowledge. She had >on her feet shaggy calfskin shoes with long thongs and large knobs on the ends >of those. She had on her hands catskin gloves, and they were white inside and >shaggy. > >Any idea what that "mantle" would look like? I'm trying to figure out >what is meant by "fastened with straps" and "the flap above." I just don't >know enough about this period to get a clear picture of what is meant. Have you tried the "Viking Answer Lady" articles about clothing? I'm reasonably certain that she covers interpreting clothing references in literature. It would also probably help to discover what the original words are that are being translated here. For example, in examining other passages from sagas, I often find that a word translated as a specific type of garment in English was originally a fairly generic term. The one I'm recalling most clearly was translated "mantle" (among other things) where the original was much more along the lines of "over-garment". Translators of literature aren't always (often?) specialists in costume, so elements of specific meaning may be either added or subtracted in the translation process. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 18:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20951 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINj5Yb022696; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINj3HV023521; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAINi8HV023054 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.134] (as3-4-148.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.134]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAINi0l02769; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:44:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200211181152.DAA13908@gw.retro.com> References: <200211181152.DAA13908@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norweigian/Icelandic dress question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:01:29 -0800 Status: RO At 3:52 AM -0800 11/18/02, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: >This is an excerpt from Eirik's Saga, describing the spae-wife: >She came in the evening with the man who had been sent to meet her, then she >was dressed like this, so that she had a blue mantle fastened with straps, and >stones were set all in the flap above; on her neck she had glass >beads, a black >lambskin hood on her head with white catskin inside; and she had a >staff in her >hand with a knob on it; it was made with brass and stones were set >above in the >knob; she had a belt of touch-wood, and on it was a large skin >pouch, and there >she kept safe her talismans (taufr) which she needed to get knowledge. She had >on her feet shaggy calfskin shoes with long thongs and large knobs on the ends >of those. She had on her hands catskin gloves, and they were white inside and >shaggy. > >Any idea what that "mantle" would look like? I'm trying to figure out >what is meant by "fastened with straps" and "the flap above." I just don't >know enough about this period to get a clear picture of what is meant. Have you tried the "Viking Answer Lady" articles about clothing? I'm reasonably certain that she covers interpreting clothing references in literature. It would also probably help to discover what the original words are that are being translated here. For example, in examining other passages from sagas, I often find that a word translated as a specific type of garment in English was originally a fairly generic term. The one I'm recalling most clearly was translated "mantle" (among other things) where the original was much more along the lines of "over-garment". Translators of literature aren't always (often?) specialists in costume, so elements of specific meaning may be either added or subtracted in the translation process. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 21:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22194 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ233Yb002834; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ231HV016348; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ22KHV016082 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021119020214.XNQW2683.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:02:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c28f6f$ae414490$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <41.26da708a.2b0a9597@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:02:14 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book > The images on Amazon look like exactly the same photos. What are the advantages to those of us who already have "Revolution in Fashion"? As I said before, the book is 768 pages, with 4 chapters, each about 1/4th of the book: 18th century, 19th century, first half of the 20th century, and second half of the 20th century. Therefore, you get not only many of the images from "Revolution" in the 18th and first part of the 19th centuries, but also new ones. Again, if you have "Evolution of Fashion" many of those images are in the 19th century chapter, but there are also new ones. Finally, you get the two 20th century chapters. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 21:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22561 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:51:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2r3Yb006134; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2r0HV001251; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2qrHV001190 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:52:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.64.2867482c (4340) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:44 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <64.2867482c.2b0b017c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:44 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/18/02 2:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: << What are the advantages to those of us who already have "Revolution in Fashion"? >> We can play paper dolls with one of the books???? Actually, I think the new book has clothes I've never seen before....as well as some from "Revolution". It must if it covers the 19th and 20th century. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 21:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22567 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2s1Yb006193; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2s1HV001550; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ2rhHV001421 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:53:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.141.2faf833 (4340) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <141.2faf833.2b0b01ab@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume Book/1836 dress update To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:31 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/18/02 2:15:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Everydayele@aol.com writes: << The dresses are coming out fabulous! (If I may so boast :) >> Sorry....no boasting allowed without photos! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 23:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22941 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ4p3Yb013204; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ4p1HV004971; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAJ4odHV004846 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:50:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021119045038.83439.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:50:38 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with French fashion circa 1510 To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DDA47AE.8D0FDFE6@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:50:38 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, just wish to say thank you from my Baroness and myself to those who helped with her query - it was much appreciated. :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! 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Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Nov 18 23:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22946 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ4r1Yb013321; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ4r1HV005547; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20202.mail.yahoo.com (web20202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.57]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAJ4q8HV005290 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021119045208.87459.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:08 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Saga Continues..... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021118.123719.-420811.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:08 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > I have added the next installment of 'To Dress A > Queen'. > > http://members.tripod.com/seamstrix/ ooh...it's looking gorgeous! :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 01:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23292 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ6e3Yb018755; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ6e0HV005282; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ6dFHV005088 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJ6Ytww005627 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:34:56 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:41:28 -0800 Status: RO That's it! Teach me to read all the posts on a thread before answering one. I had a captive German speaker when I first got the book. He's still around somewhere and can be persuaded to translate things like this (page at a time) or the Manesse Liederhandschrift that I brought home from Germany. Regina/Wanda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Heather Rose Jones Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:28 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] How to make Charlemagne's crown, any ideas? At 9:51 AM -0800 11/17/02, Chris Laning wrote: >At 5:50 PM -0800 11/16/02, Wanda Pease wrote: >>I have a book from an exhibition that must have >>taken place sometime in the 30's which brought together all the surviving >>crowns they could get their hands on, around 140 or so, and pictured them. >>Most of the medieval ones that were not "grave crowns" were of hinged >>plaques. > >Title, author, publisher? If it isn't: Biehn, Heinz. 1957. Die Kronen Europas. Limes Verlag, Wiesbaden. then there are two such exhibition catalogs in existence. >I may add it to my "if it ever turns up..." book list. I'm always a >sucker for Books of Glittery Stuff. :-) > >(Considering the publication date, I assume it's all black and white?) That's my recollection. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 07:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13101 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:20:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJCMBYb029723; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJCM1HV022358; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAJCLuHV022312 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:21:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021119122154.63214.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:21:54 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Another appeal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:21:54 +1100 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, if anyone has the Medieval Woman calender with the picture of the "Spanish tassel dress" in it, could you please let me know, with details of artist, year, museum? Better still if you could spare 10 minutes to scan it and send it to me it would be much appreciated. Or, if anyone knows this style and can find it elsewhere that would be cool too. :) Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 09:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13697 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:12:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJEB3Yb004316; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJEB1WU020329; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJEANWU020132 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m76.in-tch.com [216.166.191.76]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAJDsgf15197 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:54:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DDA4661.FC1A7C6D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another appeal References: <20021119122154.63214.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:10:41 -0700 Status: RO I've got a bunch of them, Bella. Do you know what calendar (year) it was in? --sue Bella wrote: > > Hi all, > > if anyone has the Medieval Woman calender with the > picture of the "Spanish tassel dress" in it, could you > please let me know, with details of artist, year, > museum? Better still if you could spare 10 minutes to > scan it and send it to me it would be much > appreciated. > > Or, if anyone knows this style and can find it > elsewhere that would be cool too. :) > > Bella > > http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper > - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 12:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14869 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJHS5Yb020812; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJHS0WU023653; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe73.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.208]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJHR9WU023068 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:27:04 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [218.225.32.22] From: "Kimie SUZUKI" To: References: <6d.268db3c.2b0a9598@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume Book/1836 dress update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2903B.E8498E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 17:27:04.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A79FC0:01C28FF0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kimie SUZUKI" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:24:09 +0900 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2903B.E8498E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Angela, According to the web page of The National Museum of Modern Art, Kyoto( http://www.momak.go.jp/menu_e.html ) this catalog is still available. But I am not sure that they can send it outside Japan. Kimie ----- Original Message ----- From: Everydayele@aol.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume Book/1836 dress update HI Kendra, Thanks so much for your post about this book I just ordered it right now at Amazon. A few weeks back when I posted about the 1836 style dresses that I am working on, AlbertCat had suggested getting a hold of the Evolution of Fashion catalog from Kyoto. I logged onto their site but was unable to find out if it was still available, I also E-mailed a request to them for it, but they haven't responded. The dresses are coming out fabulous! (If I may so boast :) Once I realized that the armhole is similar to a dropped shoulder with a higher opening, and reoriented my thinking about the armhole being on the upper arm instead of the contemporary armscye location, I was set. I am boning the bodices, since corsets won't be worn. (thanks for the suggestion AlbertCat. No corsets allowed is not a matter of discomfort, it's a budgetary issue.) Take care Angela ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2903B.E8498E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Angela,
 
According to the web page of The National Museum of = Modern=20 Art, Kyoto( http://www.momak.go.jp/menu_e= .html )
this catalog is still available. But I am not sure = that they=20 can send it outside Japan.
 
Kimie
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From:=20 Everydayele@aol.com
Sent: = Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:12=20 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume=20 Book/1836 dress update

HI Kendra,

Thanks so much for your post = about this=20 book I just ordered it right now at Amazon.
A few weeks back when I = posted=20 about the 1836 style dresses that I am working on, AlbertCat had = suggested=20 getting a hold of the Evolution of Fashion catalog from Kyoto.  I = logged=20 onto their site but was unable to find out if it was still available, = I also=20 E-mailed a request to them for it, but they haven't responded. =

The=20 dresses are coming out fabulous!  (If I may so boast = :)  =20
Once I realized that the armhole is similar to a dropped shoulder = with a=20 higher opening, and reoriented my thinking about the armhole being on = the=20 upper arm instead of the contemporary armscye location, I was = set.
I am=20 boning the bodices, since corsets won't be worn. (thanks for the = suggestion=20 AlbertCat. No corsets allowed is not a matter of discomfort, it's a = budgetary=20 issue.)

Take=20 care
Angela


 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2903B.E8498E00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 14:43:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16520 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:43:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJf4Yb003976; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJf2WU009674; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf07bis.bellsouth.net (mail207.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.147]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJe3WU009135 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from GEOFF ([216.76.153.195]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021119194144.XNJP17861.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@GEOFF> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:41:44 -0500 From: "Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c Message-ID: <002301c29003$5307d8c0$c3994cd8@GEOFF> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003901c28f59$6cb41e00$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:39:04 -0500 Status: RO Ooooo! Where can I get an exhibit book for all of them? Apollonia, wishing she was in WI.... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of mls Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:23 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c Hi All! I know this is a late suggestion, but the art exhibit "Leonardo da Vinci and the Splendor of Poland" is FANTASTIC - from an art as well as costume/clothing point of view. It remains in Milwaukee, WI through 24 Nov then travels to Houston 8 Dec 2002 - 17 Feb 2003, or somewhere in CA after that. I've heard that the exhibit book is great, but have yet to get my hands on it. Regardless, the upcoming "Art of Late Renaissance Florence" and the attendant textile exhibit, "Renaissance Velvets and Silks" sound like wonderful follow-ups to the Milwaukee show. I cannot recommend the Milwaukee show enough. - It is beautiful. -marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 14:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16617 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:56:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJw3Yb005373; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJw1WU018243; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cmsoutbound.mx.net (cmsrelay04.mx.net [165.212.11.113]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAJJv9WU017787 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:57:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200211191957.gAJJv9WU017787@net.indra.com> Received: from uadvg143.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.143) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 19:57:06 -0000 Received: from gw.smtp.postoffice.net [165.212.8.21] by uadvg143.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 822gksT6e0118M43; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:57:04 GMT Received: from 66.82.101.146 [66.82.101.146] by uwdvg021.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.4.10); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:57:03 -0000 From: Leslie To: Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id gAJJv9WU017787 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:57:03 -0600 Status: RO Is there any more info when/where this is going to take place in Houston? TIA, Leslie "mls" wrote: > Hi All! > > I know this is a late suggestion, but the art exhibit "Leonardo da Vinci and > the Splendor of Poland" is FANTASTIC - from an art as well as > costume/clothing point of view. It remains in Milwaukee, WI through 24 Nov > then travels to Houston 8 Dec 2002 - 17 Feb 2003, or somewhere in CA after > that. I've heard that the exhibit book is great, but have yet to get my > hands on it. Regardless, the upcoming "Art of Late Renaissance Florence" > and the attendant textile exhibit, "Renaissance Velvets and Silks" sound > like wonderful follow-ups to the Milwaukee show. I cannot recommend the > Milwaukee show enough. - It is beautiful. > > -marie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 15:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16823 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJKQ4Yb007723; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJKQ0WU003589; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJKPuWU003552 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:25:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from modem-749.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.25.142.237] helo=lance5) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EEwV-0004Dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:25:55 +0000 From: "Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021118190010.16311.137.Mailman@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Norwegian/Icelandic dress question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:28:27 -0000 Status: RO >on her neck she had glass > beads, a black > lambskin hood on her head with white catskin inside; and she had > a staff in her > hand with a knob on it; > I'm sure there are people on this list who know more, but there's lots of baggage attached to wearing catskin in the Sagas and other Nordic myth - and we don't know the half of it. It was all tied in with witchcraft (and NOT in a good sense) and the otherworld. Nice people didn't wear catskin. Freyalyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 17:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17734 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:10:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJMB9Yb017792; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJMB1f0003954; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAJMAVf0003678 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:10:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31465 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 23:02:37 -0000 Received: from 66-44-20-110.s110.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO oldwaylane.net) (66.44.20.110) by shada.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 23:02:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3DDAB6C0.3090306@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Norwegian/Icelandic dress question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:10:08 -0500 Status: RO Freyalyn Close-Hainsworth wrote: > I'm sure there are people on this list who know more, but there's lots of > baggage attached to wearing catskin in the Sagas and other Nordic myth - and > we don't know the half of it. It was all tied in with witchcraft (and NOT > in a good sense) and the otherworld. Nice people didn't wear catskin. It's true that this whole section is about a volva who went around the farms in Greenland prophesying about the future, and her garb is likely very ceremonial in various ways. After all, cat parts would likely involve a link with Freyja. Definately otherworld - but there is "witchcraft" and "witchcraft", not all was considered evil. However, I'm not sure that the commnet about nice people not wearing catskin is entirely accurate as there is planty of evidence of cat fur being sold along with the fox and squirrel furs. so someone is buying enough of it that archeological evidence does exist. Mind you, it wouldn't be MY first choice... -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 17:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17907 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:42:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJMi4Yb020790; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJMi0f0022800; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJMhtf0022730 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:43:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from post (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id gAJMhAX09579 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002d01c2901d$002a03c0$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> From: "mls" To: References: <002301c29003$5307d8c0$c3994cd8@GEOFF> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:42:54 -0600 Status: RO The web site for the Milwaukee Art Museum is: www.mam.org The Houston museum web site is: www.mfah.org That site will tell you more. I'm sure you could contact them about purchasing the catalogue. If you go to the web site, you ***MUST*** check out the "photo gallery" under "More on MAM". This section has photos of the new addition by S. Calatrava. It is quite beautiful, especially as it juts out over the lake - exactly like a bird in flight. Or, when driving East on the main drag through downtown the support for the pedestrian bridge looks like the bowsprit of a sailing vessel. -sorry more info than you needed, but this addition has really excited and revitalized MKE. -marie ----- Original Message ----- From: Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi To: Sent: Tuesday, 19 November, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c > Ooooo! Where can I get an exhibit book for all of them? > > Apollonia, wishing she was in WI.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On > Behalf Of mls > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:23 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Current art exhibit spanning 12c - 20c > > > Hi All! > > I know this is a late suggestion, but the art exhibit "Leonardo da Vinci > and > the Splendor of Poland" is FANTASTIC - from an art as well as > costume/clothing point of view. It remains in Milwaukee, WI through 24 > Nov > then travels to Houston 8 Dec 2002 - 17 Feb 2003, or somewhere in CA > after > that. I've heard that the exhibit book is great, but have yet to get my > hands on it. Regardless, the upcoming "Art of Late Renaissance > Florence" > and the attendant textile exhibit, "Renaissance Velvets and Silks" sound > like wonderful follow-ups to the Milwaukee show. I cannot recommend the > Milwaukee show enough. - It is beautiful. > > -marie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 19:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18350 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:10:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK028Yb028428; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK020iR004588; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20201.mail.yahoo.com (web20201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.56]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAK01MiR004307 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:01:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021120000121.98202.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:01:21 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another appeal To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3DDA4661.FC1A7C6D@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:01:21 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > I've got a bunch of them, Bella. Do you know what > calendar (year) it > was in? Thanks sue, no I don't - I only know that it was in the last couple of years or so, not including this year. Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 19:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18479 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK0f4Yb002254; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK0f1iR021075; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK0e7iR020369 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 6.193.10ef1119 (15862) for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m30.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-1119193944; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:39:44 -0500 From: FyneHats2@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <26AD8036.4C9F84E8.0251717C@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Photographing costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:39:44 -0500 Status: RO Thank You Wayne!! You have given us laypeople a wonderful guide for those of us who want to do our own photography. It is very clear and understandable. Thank you again! Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 20:36:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18842 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK1b3Yb005648; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK1b1iR010481; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK1atiR010436 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.208]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5U0093OPTHW8@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Photographing costumes In-reply-to: <26AD8036.4C9F84E8.0251717C@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021119172516.04c7fc80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:26:42 -0800 Status: RO >Thank You Wayne!! You have given us laypeople a wonderful guide for those >of us who want to do our own photography. It is very clear and >understandable. Thank you again! And I found it over-detailed and thick reading. But even I realized all the technique was contained therein. I'll have to re-read it a few more times to make complete sense of it. But I agree with the 'thank you, Wayne' part. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 21:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18976 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2C4Yb007789; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2C3iR021102; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2BUiR020901 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.112] (pm4-112.eos.net [205.133.149.112]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09596 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:11:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021119020301.16334.65105.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] musketeer pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:08:48 -0500 Status: RO My plumber (really) told me that he wants to make a Three Musketeer-style outfit for himself but that he doesn't know how to make the tabard. I told him that I thought he could buy a pattern for this. Does anyone know of one? You can reply privately if you'd rather not clutter the list -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 21:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19059 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2X2Yb009210; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2X0iR027561; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2WoiR027511 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m203.in-tch.com [216.166.191.203]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAK2H8L15499 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:17:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3DDAF463.DB88B6A5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] musketeer pattern References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:33:07 -0700 Status: RO I'd look in the costume sections of the Simplicity/McCalls/etc. catalogues, first-off. I betcha one of them has something like that! --sue Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > My plumber (really) told me that he wants to make a Three Musketeer-style > outfit for himself but that he doesn't know how to make the tabard. I told > him that I thought he could buy a pattern for this. Does anyone know of one? > You can reply privately if you'd rather not clutter the list -- > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 21:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19109 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2p4Yb010298; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK2p1iR002917; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20210.mail.yahoo.com (web20210.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.65]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAK2o0iR002646 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:50:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021120024959.72439.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:49:59 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] musketeer pattern To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:49:59 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > My plumber (really) told me that he wants to make a > Three Musketeer-style > outfit for himself but that he doesn't know how to > make the tabard. I told > him that I thought he could buy a pattern for this. > Does anyone know of one? Yep. :) from this page: Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 22:46:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19380 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:46:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK3l5Yb013699; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK3l1iR020440; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK3kLiR020241 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by misc.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK3lKYv020447 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:47:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDB0620.1040607@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] musketeer pattern References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:48:48 -0800 Status: RO WOuld this be of use to your plumber? http://members.aol.com/randwhit/patterns.htm#mandelion Good luck, Theresa Eacker Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > My plumber (really) told me that he wants to make a Three Musketeer-style > outfit for himself but that he doesn't know how to make the tabard. I told > him that I thought he could buy a pattern for this. Does anyone know of one? > You can reply privately if you'd rather not clutter the list -- > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Nov 19 23:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19534 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:11:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4C2Yb015243; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4C1iR027605; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com (web12004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.212]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAK4BsiR027567 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:11:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021120041154.38885.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.248] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:11:54 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] exhibit book in Feb and linen at wholesale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:11:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Bjarne, Yes I would be interested in the exhibition catalog with patterns when it comes out. Please post when you have particulars and I'll start saving my pennies, singles, fives, etc. Wholesaling linen plus shipping would be lovely too for whoever was mentioning that. I was just at Baer fabric in Louisville and good linen at less than 22-25.00 per yard sounds like a good deal. Now I've probably forgotten something but I haven't caught up on all the posts yet as I just got back from my Mama's house in Kentucky. Obligatory costume content.....When people talk about 3.5 oz linen or 2.5 oz linen, what do they mean? Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 00:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19813 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4t2Yb017856; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4t0iR010223; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-87.apple.com [17.250.248.87]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4sQiR010038 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id gAK4sPcd012024 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H5UYYO00.MEM for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:54:24 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021119190008.15585.14508.Mailman@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Kyoto Costume Institute book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:54:22 -0800 Status: RO Just to add a little more fuel to our shopping frenzy - I checked at Powells.com and they have the new Kyoto book for $35 - free US shipping on orders over $50 and no tax. Agnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 06:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01323 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKB78Yb001340; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKB70iR005269; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAKB6liR005189 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:06:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28388 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2002 11:06:41 -0000 Received: from p50801714.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.2.21?) (80.128.23.20) by mail.gmx.net (mp017-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 11:06:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DC3D1D4.3080900@99main.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:06:41 +0100 Status: RO Well, I am now the proud owner of the Catalog - and it is wonderful!!! I also signed up for the course this weekend to make the men's Lederkoller - but they called me yesterday and told me it was canceled because only 4 people (including me) had signed up for it - I was quite miffed :((( but they have moved my reservation to the January class. BTW this catalog also includes several patterns in the back (hand-drawn patterns by Johannes Pietsch, a textile restaurer from around here, ie Munich). I have scanned them in for your viewing pleasure :) http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum4.html Please note (for SCA people especially), the Suedtirol men's jacket from 1610 looks exactly like the jacket worn in Der Schneider from 1560-1570. The rest of the catalog is full of really yummy things like scans of different brocades, gloves, lace, tapestries, a knitted jacket, a bunch of Leinenquasten (linen tassles - very ornate), lace collar frames, bags, and other various clothing articles and accessories. I would scan them all in but some how I think the Museum wouldn't like it that much... Cass :) > Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > >> It is in German, but someone translated some of it. >> >> "Textile Treasures from Renaissance and Baroque" >> at the 'Bayerisches Nationalmuseum' until February 16th, 2003, from >> Tuesdays to Sundays 10 - 17, Thursdays 10 - 20. Mondays closed > >> There is also a wounderfull publication for the exhibiton. The fotos are >> well done, you can see the colors and details better than in the dark >> exhibition room! It costs EUR 25,00. >> (I'll try to get more information aboud this book) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 09:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02278 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKEX5Yb008851; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKEX1iR023052; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKEWYiR022918 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:32:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAKEWWXK022224 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] RenFaire doublet on Ebay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:32:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The maker of this doublet just posted this to the 18th c. women's list. I thought I'd repost it here, in case someone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=982948729 Note: I don't know the seller personally, and I'm NOT vouching for its authenticity or anything! (I mean, hey, it's corduroy...) But there are probably worse things out there :) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 12:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03178 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKHa9BJ008141; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKHa2ug018741; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from m28.bos.untd.com (m28.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.91]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAKHZAug018212 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"IEJtIXEoMt9Fq70fgd9pWnj00pbFK5Tp8gMlDdNsnZ3vx4KZ3p0VVw=="> Received: (from catpurson@juno.com) by m28.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HH3XBNW5; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:34:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RenFaire doublet on Ebay Message-ID: <20021120.123507.-416131.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: Lalah T Tillinghast Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:34:53 -0500 Status: RO Too bad she couldn't get someone to model it. It had to be a lot of work for such a low starting bid. Lalah Never give up, Never surrender _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 15:00:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03875 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKK0ZBJ022279; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:00:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKK0Vug007211; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKJxfug006701 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:59:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021120195936.VDYA2204.lakemtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:59:36 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: , , , "'Lydia K Koeller'" , Message-ID: <000101c2908f$793cdc70$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] On C-14 dating of Greenland gowns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:22:15 -0500 Status: RO For those who may be interested, there is an excellent article C14 dating of the Greenland gowns available by going to the Europhysics News website, clicking on 'Past Issues', and then looking for Vol. 33, No. 3, (2002). http://www.europhysicsnews.com Linda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 16:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04382 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:44:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKLg9BJ008195; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKLg0ug005968; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.111]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKLf2ug005393 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:40:57 -0800 Received: from 65.70.197.155 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:40:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.155] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exebition 16th-17th century clothing Munchen(Germany) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 21:40:57.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[82D6E9D0:01C290DD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:40:57 +0000 Status: RO Maybe I missed it, but how could I get my hands on a copy of this catalog? Mary/Katerine (who is once again buying books for the pictures!) >Well, I am now the proud owner of the Catalog - and it is wonderful!!! I >also signed up for the course this weekend to make the men's Lederkoller - >but they called me yesterday and told me it was canceled because only 4 >people (including me) had signed up for it - I was quite miffed :((( but >they have moved my reservation to the January class. > >BTW this catalog also includes several patterns in the back (hand-drawn >patterns by Johannes Pietsch, a textile restaurer from around here, ie >Munich). I have scanned them in for your viewing pleasure :) > >http://homepage.mac.com/cassandragreer/PhotoAlbum4.html > >Please note (for SCA people especially), the Suedtirol men's jacket from >1610 looks exactly like the jacket worn in Der Schneider from 1560-1570. > >The rest of the catalog is full of really yummy things like scans of >different brocades, gloves, lace, tapestries, a knitted jacket, a bunch of >Leinenquasten (linen tassles - very ornate), lace collar frames, bags, and >other various clothing articles and accessories. I would scan them all in >but some how I think the Museum wouldn't like it that much... > >Cass :) > > > > Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > > >> It is in German, but someone translated some of it. > >> > >> "Textile Treasures from Renaissance and Baroque" > >> at the 'Bayerisches Nationalmuseum' until February 16th, 2003, from > >> Tuesdays to Sundays 10 - 17, Thursdays 10 - 20. Mondays closed > > > >> There is also a wounderfull publication for the exhibiton. The fotos >are > >> well done, you can see the colors and details better than in the dark > >> exhibition room! It costs EUR 25,00. > >> (I'll try to get more information aboud this book) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 18:18:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05095 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKNI2BJ016696; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKNI1tr026523; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKNH0tr026028 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.237.24]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5W00H44E0BT4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RenFaire doublet on Ebay In-reply-to: <20021120.123507.-416131.4.catpurson@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20021120151249.00ca9190@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:13:45 -0800 Status: RO > Too bad she couldn't get someone to model it. It had to be a lot >of work for such a low starting bid. Yeah. It looks pretty good flat, but it would look better round. too bad it's corduroy - nobody at my local Faire gets to wear corduroy. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 20:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05804 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL16ABJ025125; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL161S0011175; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12005.mail.yahoo.com (web12005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.213]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAL14wS0010761 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:04:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021121010458.80711.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.221.225.235] by web12005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:04:58 PST From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] what's a Spanish tassel dress? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:04:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Bella, I know you're looking for a scan out of the Medieval Women calendar. Could you share when you find a copy? You've really piqued my curiousity with the phrase tassel dress. Cassandra (who's children buy her tassels for every gift giving occasion) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Nov 20 20:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05965 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:35:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL1a3BJ027188; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL1a1S0020834; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20209.mail.yahoo.com (web20209.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.64]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAL1ZqS0020770 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021121013551.18970.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:35:51 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's a Spanish tassel dress? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021121010458.80711.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:35:51 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --- Cascio Michael wrote: > Bella, > I know you're looking for a scan out of the > Medieval Women calendar. Could you share when you > find a copy? You've really piqued my curiousity > with > the phrase tassel dress. Sure. Actually, a friend on another list scanned the image and enlarged the figure, then uploaded it to her site.... Bella http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/ - Yahoo! 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Hint Dropper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06751 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL556pk007065; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL551S0022654; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADCc6U3006805 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BwmT-0005mw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD24614.5030104@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Happy Dance Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:31:16 -0500 Status: RO I just couldn't help myself, I have to bubble somewhere! *poing* *poing* *poing* A german friend of mine convinced his mother to do me a lace piece for Christmas...he says she calls it some sort of collar and it is 16th or 17th century pattern. Not certain what I am getting, but I will probably need to have help identifying it's time period and what clothing it goes with - so I can try to make an outfit to go with it ;-) margali [who sent Bjarne's URL to him to show her ;-) ] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06759 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:05:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL561pk007116; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL560S0022905; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gADFxgt8014775 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:59:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848CB17071 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18BzvU-0006cV-00 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:59:36 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan shoes In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:59:36 -0500 Status: RO Janet asked: > Usually, I don't do anything later than Tudor, but I found a really nice > "camp" (cotton) Elizabethan dress being sold as used garb at a reasonable > price. Now that the alterations are mostly done and I contemplate wearing > it next weekend, I realize I have no idea of what kind of shoes would be > appropriate. I'm not going to custom-made shoes for 1 dress - does anyone > have any thoughts on available modern shoes that would look okay? I'd just wear whatever you wear for Tudor. It's not likely you'd find a close match for Elizabethan shoes at Payless or anywhere like that. If you don't have anything at all, I'd suggest cheap black mary-janes (those shoes with the bar across your foot, that fastens with a buckle). More accurate for Flemish or earlier Tudor than for Elizabethan per se, but if you're talking about the SCA (and I realise you might not be) then they'll probably suffice. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06776 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:14:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5F9pk007696; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5F9S0025257; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAECTiPH002188 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 201-46-168-66.wl.cpe.charter-ne.com ([66.168.46.201] helo=Spamcop.Net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18CJ7v-00027S-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:29:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD3955D.90305@Spamcop.Net> From: M Traber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] tired of re-enacting,pattern stuff References: <106.1b4d2290.2b03d0cc@aol.com> <003f01c28b2e$cb8a7340$9d02e10c@attbi.com> <023301c28baf$49cffba0$03197644@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:21:49 -0500 Status: RO oops, mtraber25@earthlink.NET not com....still getting used to it;-( shavaylah wrote: > Please add another copy for shavaylah@charter.net > > > > > Linda J. Thompson wrote: > > > Cassandra, > > When I took my pattern drafting classes at the rep years ago, I > got a > > handout that showed a method of upsizing a standard pattern > using the > > industry calculation method for it. If you would like I will scan it > > and send it to you as an attachment to your private email. If I > > remember it is about 2 or three pages. Was not extremely > complicated, > > and is more accurate than the split and spread method. > > > > If any on else wants a copy, send me email and I will get a list > > together and send them all at once. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06784 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FMpk007741; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FLS0025347; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.istop.com (ns.istop.com [66.11.168.199]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ4DlHV024577 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from eggnog (ip46-170.ott.dsl.istop.com [66.11.170.46]) by ns.istop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEA817285 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from skud by eggnog with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18Dzli-0003RV-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:13:46 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Mary gown In-Reply-To: <200211171245.05678.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <000101c28e57$419d4500$6601a8c0@mycomputer> <200211171245.05678.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:13:46 -0500 Status: RO Cathy wrote: > On Sunday 17 November 2002 11:34 am, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >> I'd agree with Margo that it is more likely a partlet. I am interested >> also in anyone's thoughts on the construction of the collar/ruff. Is >> that a jeweled "choker" or is it elaborate embroidery on the gown >> (chemise?). Not the partlet collar. > > I think it's both--elaborate blackwork on the (high) collar of the chemise, > with a red and gold carcanet worn over the collar. I'm going to claim some knowledge, not because I have any particular expertise, but because it's my website that has this picture, and I've thought about it a bit previously :) If you go up a directory level to http://infotrope.net/sca/textiles/costume/pemberton/ you'll see that I am using the portrait of Mary as corroborating evidence for how to do Mrs Pemberton's outfit, which we see less of in the picture. If we put the Pemberton and the Mary together, I think we can reasonably safely say that it is in fact a partlet, probably black velvet lined with white and stiffened so it stands up, with a white shirt underneath. There are a bunch of pictures from around the same period at, um, *checks bookmarks*, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/ which should provide you with more hints. K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06785 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:15:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FEpk007708; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FDS0025294; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAEGu31H011226 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from BluBeavPub@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 7.14d.17561221 (3996) for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: BluBeavPub@aol.com Message-ID: <14d.17561221.2b052f9b@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14d.17561221.2b052f9b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10618 Subject: [h-cost] Cassack Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:55:55 EST Status: RO --part1_14d.17561221.2b052f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in need of a pattern for or a ready-made Cassock for a Catholic Father. Anyone have any suggestions? --part1_14d.17561221.2b052f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in need of a pattern for or a ready-made Cassock for a Catholic Father.  Anyone have any suggestions? --part1_14d.17561221.2b052f9b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:15:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06791 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FIpk007726; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FIS0025325; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJdtk8007095 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04496 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:39:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c28f3a$789067c0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <006a01c28ea3$b12376a0$befc8218@hopperflop2> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28F08.2D713760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:41:20 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28F08.2D713760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I just ordered mine off B&N.com. It is called Evolution in Fashion = there and is $32.00. Order it this week if you have a B&N membership = card and you get an extra 5% off so standard shipping is almost free. Got a copy of the Dec ELLE mag yesterday. In their Calendar page get a = gander of the late 1880's early 1890's gown pictured. It is part of the = Femme Fatale exhibition opening at the Fashion Institute of Technology = in NYC Dec 15th. Late 19th c fashion mavens take note and let the rest = of us know if an exhibition catalog is available! Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE: 402.280.5144 FAX: 402.280.5134 brujne@creighton.edu 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE:402-280-5144 FAX: 402-280-5134 brujne@creighton.edu Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kendra Van Cleave=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Kyoto Costume Institute book Oh my god, it's the motherlode! There's a new book out called "Fashion: A History from the 18th to = the 20th Century" that features the collection of the Kyoto Costume = Institute. =20 This book is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! It's 768 pages (I swear, it's a = phone book!) and practically every page is a gorgeous, glossy, full = color photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume collection. = There's 4 chapters on the 18th, 19th, first half of the 20th, and second = half of the 20th centuries, and they each take up roughly 1/4 of the = book. Best of all, this book reprints many images (it might even be all of = them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in Fashion" and "Evolution = of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of those, here's your = chance. Even better? It's only $40. = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822812064//qid=3D103758328= 0/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dglance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpic= tures Click on "See More Pictures" (under the book cover photo) for scans = from the book. - Kendra ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28F08.2D713760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I just ordered mine off B&N.com.  It is = called=20 Evolution in Fashion there and is $32.00. Order it this week if you have = a=20 B&N membership card and you get an extra 5% off so standard shipping = is=20 almost free.
 
Got a copy of the Dec ELLE mag yesterday.  In = their=20 Calendar page get a gander of the late 1880's early 1890's gown = pictured. It is=20 part of the Femme Fatale exhibition opening at the Fashion Institute of=20 Technology in NYC Dec 15th.  Late 19th c fashion mavens take note = and let=20 the rest of us know if an exhibition catalog is available!
Cindy Abel
ILL Coordinator
Health Sciences = Library
Creighton=20 University
1912 CALIFORNIA ST
OMAHA NE 68178-0210
VOICE:=20 402.280.5144
FAX: 402.280.5134
brujne@creighton.edu
1912 = CALIFORNIA=20 ST
OMAHA NE 68178-0210
VOICE:402-280-5144
FAX:  =20 402-280-5134
brujne@creighton.edu
Omaha = NE=20 68178-0210
Phone: 402. 280-5144
Fax:    =20 402.280-5134
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kendra = Van=20 Cleave
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 = 7:42=20 PM
Subject: [h-cost] New Kyoto = Costume=20 Institute book

Oh my god, it's the = motherlode!
 
There's a new book out called = "Fashion:  A=20 History from the 18th to the 20th Century" that features the = collection of the=20 Kyoto Costume Institute. 
 
This book is ABSOLUTELY = AMAZING!  It's 768=20 pages (I swear, it's a phone book!) and practically every page is a = gorgeous,=20 glossy, full color photo of a costume from the KCI's amazing costume=20 collection.  There's 4 = chapters on the=20 18th, 19th, first half of the 20th, and second half of the 20th = centuries, and=20 they each take up roughly 1/4 of the book.
 
Best of all, this book reprints many = images (it=20 might even be all of them, I'm not positive) from the "Revolution in = Fashion"=20 and "Evolution of Fashion" books, so if you ever wanted either of = those,=20 here's your chance.
 
Even better?  It's only = $40.
 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3822= 812064//qid=3D1037583280/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/104-4464235-5172711?v=3Dgl= ance&s=3Dbooks&vi=3Dpictures
Click on "See More Pictures" (under = the book=20 cover photo) for scans from the book.
 
- Kendra
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C28F08.2D713760-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06795 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:15:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FQpk007770; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FPS0025377; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJItQWU012776 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24664 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:55:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001e01c28ffd$75b21c60$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <6d.268db3c.2b0a9598@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kyoto Costume Book/1836 dress update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28FCB.2AA9CF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:57:07 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28FCB.2AA9CF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ordered mine from bn.com. Their price is $32.00 with an extra 10% = off(through Nov 24) for those with a B&N membership card. Standard = shipping is $3.99(no extra as with Amazon for a heavier book). The title = on the B&N book is Evolution of Fashion but the number of pages and the = ISBN # is the same as the Amazon book entitled "Fashion". Well, I'll = know if I got the correct book when it arrives. I got "Revolution in Fashion" years ago and saw the original "Evolution = in Fashion" but it will be great to have three centuries of costume in = one volume. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 1912 CALIFORNIA ST OMAHA NE 68178-0210 VOICE: 402.280.5144 FAX: 402.280.5134 brujne@creighton.edu ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28FCB.2AA9CF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ordered mine from bn.com.  Their price is = $32.00 with=20 an extra 10% off(through Nov 24) for those with a B&N membership = card. =20 Standard shipping is $3.99(no extra as with Amazon for a heavier book). = The=20 title on the B&N book is Evolution of Fashion but the number of = pages and=20 the ISBN # is the same as the Amazon book entitled "Fashion". Well, I'll = know if=20 I got the correct book when it arrives.
 
I got "Revolution in Fashion" years ago and saw the = original=20 "Evolution in Fashion" but it will be great to have three centuries of = costume=20 in one volume.
Cindy Abel
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  ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28FCB.2AA9CF60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Nov 21 00:18:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06804 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:18:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FVpk007784; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL5FUS0025415; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20203.mail.yahoo.com (web20203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.58]) by net.indra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAL1ZNS0020584 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20021121013522.18168.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.6.138.34] by web20203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:35:22 EST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bella?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's a Spanish tassel dress? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20021121010458.80711.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-211675633-1037842522=:17731" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:35:22 +1100 (EST) Status: RO --0-211675633-1037842522=:17731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline --- Cascio Michael wrote: > Bella, > I know you're looking for a scan out of the > Medieval Women calendar. Could you share when you > find a copy? You've really piqued my curiousity > with > the phrase tassel dress. Sure. 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