From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 15:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KINea001212 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01KHj2L027072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KHXEt082978; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KHTdJ082940 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.233]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01KHatw026836 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:17:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050101110221.03293dd0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:06:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whoops! RE: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... In-Reply-To: <001a01c4ef4a$fca8b630$6401a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >(the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at >the end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? The lower one of this pair shows that the "hook" is actually a sole piece wrapping up around the point of the toe. It might be leather or it might be metal, but it would be to protect the wood part from wear. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 17:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MhZMH003490 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01Mh32L004269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MgmGo063286; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MgkLK063230 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CyndiFLane@aol.com) Received: from CyndiFLane@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.190.365b14e7 (18251) for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: CyndiFLane@aol.com Message-ID: <190.365b14e7.2f08815d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:42:37 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:06:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg > "Phantom" is worth any drive. I've seen it twice so far . . . might be the best movie I've ever seen . . . but I'm an ALW fan. But go! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 11:58:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02GwdAF029299 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02GvO2L008705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Gv8wd036267; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Gv5jc036189 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.109.6.186]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:57:00 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTdnB1VUkMamd5jQwygQlDx0M+rEwTTuKow In-Reply-To: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello out there to the list. I will be in London Jan. 18 -25. If there is anyone on the list that lives there or can recommend bookstores, fabric stores and a good haberdasher (husband can't go- blackmailed me into getting a Harris tweed jacket) I would be very appreciative. I will go to the big Harrod's sale. I am also looking for interesting little shops and will visit Portobello Rd. on Sat the 22nd. I have been following the thread about shopping in London (I mostly lurk) but did not think I would need such information so quickly. Our housemate got a wildhair and wanted to use up her huge cache of airline points so she got the plane tickets and the hotel. I just have to buy the food and other incidentals. I think this would be classified as "an offer I couldn't refuse". My particular are of interest is early Tudor. Any help, advise or offers of guidance would be very welcome. Thanks, Anne (who REALLY enjoyed Robin's lectures last year) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 14:09:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02J9uV7030584 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02J9E2L016605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02J964k012544; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j02J8woC012428 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 19:08:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050102185435.014959a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:07:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London In-Reply-To: <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER > References: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:59 02/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello out there to the list. I will be in London Jan. 18 -25. If there is >anyone on the list that lives there or can recommend bookstores, fabric >stores and a good haberdasher (husband can't go- blackmailed me into getting >a Harris tweed jacket) I would be very appreciative. I will go to the big >Harrod's sale. I am also looking for interesting little shops and will visit >Portobello Rd. on Sat the 22nd. I have been following the thread about >shopping in London (I mostly lurk) but did not think I would need such >information so quickly. Our housemate got a wildhair and wanted to use up >her huge cache of airline points so she got the plane tickets and the hotel. >I just have to buy the food and other incidentals. I think this would be >classified as "an offer I couldn't refuse". My particular are of interest >is early Tudor. Any help, advise or offers of guidance would be very >welcome. You shouldn't miss Berwick Street, just off Oxford Street to the south. Borovick's, The Cloth Shop, the Silk Society, Textile King, a linen and wool shop recently opened and others. One shop off to the east also fabric, one shop further north and off to the left haberdashery. Also MacCulloch and Wallis in Dering Street, almost exactly south of John Lewis, a big department store. Brick Lane for African and Indian Ethnic - not very Tudor. Rainbow Textiles in Southall High Street, rather a long way from the centre, but a source for costumers in England. Also I believe, Shepherd's Bush Market, also a distance from the centre, has been recommended but I don't know as I haven't been. Huge selection of books at Franks. www.rdfranks.co.uk Otherwise secondhand books in Charing Cross Road. The Globe Theatre has an exhibition of costumes made for the plays - how when and where I am not sure. Costume collections worth a visit - Museum of London and Victoria and Albert Museum, although the V and A has most of its historical costume collection in store currently - you can still visit the lace archives and fabric archives in the library - check when you get there - it's a long time since I was there. Bear in mind, American prices for most things are two thirds cheaper than British. Also fabric prices are higher proportionally here than there - I was in a JoAnn's in the summer in the U.S. and wished I had a bigger balance on my credit card!! Suzi, living in London!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 18:21:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02NLnFr003219 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02NL82L003082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02NKrVq055688; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j02NKqrI055628 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13302 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iZCl1Ui7+0Q7s8W0nwAeZIcAAuuGA4yj1eOkuVCGYHoeCVlXQd8x3wdoS7rbKg+WTecr3+EhfqBxmx6KhN96xMPV9XBwrm/k2mpdk16DscfuRRul6Jqv8nklRkxqiY/LmxzWyf/tH4K1Rig1J+vdUKwGADIt2G049gsqlSYmPKs= ; Message-ID: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.60.63.208] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:20:46 PST Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41D4B806.3080106@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little Vietnamese community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts for your feet from scratch. You may want to see if your city/area has a "ethnic" community and check out the local shoemakers. michael tartaglio wrote:Hi. I will try and contact Master Luke Knowlton and see if he remembers where he came by the ones he has (unless you are out there lurking, good Sir). I vaguely remember him telling me that he came by them by a stroke of luck, but I'll ask nonetheless. Cheers, Mike T. >Anyone ever try to buy shoe lasts in the US? The only place I can find so >far is the ShoeSchool which makes buying them rather obscure. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 18:37:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nbguh003467 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02Nb92L004116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nb5FA064525; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nb4bp064515 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.233]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02NWbsN018043 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:32:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050102153414.031d0c50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:36:42 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? In-Reply-To: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <41D4B806.3080106@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little >Vietnamese community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts >for your feet from scratch. You may want to see if your city/area has a >"ethnic" community and check out the local shoemakers. You might also try your local Mexican community. Some Mexican folk dancers even have custom made shoes ordered from Mexico, which look very much like early 20th century lace-up boots and which may have been made from the same older patterns. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 21:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032qEiR006784 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j032pX2L019437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032pHmY078001; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032pEZx077917 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A815A425D5 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41D8B315.2090602@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:51:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <002901c4ec50$d37ba0d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] another new movie: New World X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just saw a preview for this. Didn't see enough of the costumes to comment, but it looked like it could be good. --- "The New World" Movie Synopsis: "The New World" is an epic adventure set amid the encounter of European and Native American cultures during the founding of the Jamestown Settlement in 1607. Inspired by the legend of John Smith (Colin Farrell) and Pocahontas, acclaimed filmmaker Terrence Malick transforms this classic story into a sweeping exploration of love, loss and discovery, both a celebration and an elegy of the America that was…and the America that was yet to come. Against a historically accurate Virginia backdrop, Malick has set a dramatized tale of two strong-willed characters-a passionate and noble young native woman and an ambitious soldier of fortune-torn between the undeniable requirements of their civic duty and the inescapable demands of the human heart. The film features an accomplished cast that includes Christopher Plummer, Christian Bale, August Schellenberg, Wes Studi, David Thewlis, Yorick van Wageningen and newcomer Q’orianka Kilcher as Pocahontas. --- Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 23:15:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034FuFX007990 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j034FM2L025570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034FD0J024943; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034F8xD024848 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7e.601c7dd4 (15864) for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.133]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v104.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df841d8c6bf2ac; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 From: Morses3@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.10.25.241 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/weekly/blthenewworldpicsa.htm Here's a site with some costume photos.....this was filmed close to where I live in Williamsburg. They built a fort about 1/3 the size of the original for the movie according to the local paper, sadly, they tore it down before allowing anyone to tour it :-( Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 03:54:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038sjs2011562 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j038s32L009897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038rrVk074154; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038rpT1074087 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c4.21de2534 (4584) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.21de2534.2f0a6215@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:53:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > "The New World" Movie Synopsis: "The New World" is an epic adventure set > amid the encounter of European and Native American cultures during the > founding of the Jamestown Settlement in 1607. Not a new "theme" but interesting just about all the time. Remember "Black Robe"? Excellent! If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I had this idea for film about Inca culture. [I know....everybody's got a screenplay in their head] I mean is there ONE? "Royal Hunt of the Sun" I guess. My fantasy screen play has no white people in it. I wanted it to be all Inca intrigue. The main character being a royal messenger running from one end of the empire to another with a really important message. Maybe somebody trying to stop him. You got to see the while country through this device. Of course I know very little about Incas but I thought this idea could fly in the right hands. What an interesting costume project it would be. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 03:58:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038wIYO012006 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:58:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j038vn2L010023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038vmk0076090; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038tjqj075034 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ac.2ed7688d (4584) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.2ed7688d.2f0a628a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:55:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/2005 11:22:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Morses3@aol.com writes: > They built a fort about 1/3 the size of the original for the movie > according to the local paper, sadly, they tore it down before allowing anyone to tour > it :-( > > On "Last of the Mohicans" the replica of the Fort was bigger than the original! And was being eaten by beetles before filming was completed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 08:01:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03D1alp008455 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03D0m2L003956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03D0LLt097080; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web12010.mail.yahoo.com (web12010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j03D0Hmt097032 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33924 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2005 13:00:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=l1pnzd4oJUchUkPRTkjlzDhG3lK13CoWL96MAn63O3o9QQGCcKBkRrKdR4MagoP1LfvH+nILW6HV+JpG1nYmw5nbZ5sRMXsjWRjtVrdOaJ5aHugBlenDAHhCVuedhHybzQd7fNeKINtJg0aucOPNe2xv3feHMbiEqma7BV8CA5I= ; Message-ID: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.26] by web12010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:00:17 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy holidays to the list and I have a question or two. My local indie fabric store that carries B Black and Co woolens had its yearly inventory reduction sale on New Year's Day and I scored some lovely gunmetal blue wool crepe and some lovely green wool broadcloth. I have been looking at http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=162&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb and was wondering what the decoration was on the lady in the white dress on the far right. I could see buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the overskirt look to be the same. Was this possibly a pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe for this timeframe? I know crepe of some kind was available to the Vikings but when would they have used it for dresses in the 19th century? I'd like a nice Edwardian or Victorian winter dress out of the crepe but would prefer to be as authentic as possible as it is really nice wool. If the buttons on this are duplicatable or the trim could be duplicated even in a white or cream lace I think I could have found my winter project. Thanks for any thoughts. Cassandra __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 08:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03DfAsr008689 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03DdM2L006165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03DdIko016455; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j03DdHlE016401 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005010308391015848 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:39:10 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j03Dd7xX004629 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005e01c4f199$9aabd7e0$5ca810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1c4.21de2534.2f0a6215@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you read "Aztec" by Gary Jennings? He does give some descriptions of costumes and you'd see a good bit of the country. Kate From: > Not a new "theme" but interesting just about all the time. Remember "Black > Robe"? Excellent! If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. > > I had this idea for film about Inca culture. [I know....everybody's got a > screenplay in their head] I mean is there ONE? "Royal Hunt of the Sun" I > guess. > My fantasy screen play has no white people in it. I wanted it to be all > Inca > intrigue. The main character being a royal messenger running from one end > of the > empire to another with a really important message. Maybe somebody trying > to > stop him. You got to see the while country through this device. > > Of course I know very little about Incas but I thought this idea could fly > in > the right hands. What an interesting costume project it would be. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 09:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ETBWa009041 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03ESQ2L009280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ESHDX044452; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ESFWJ044423 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ClTBu-0001PH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:28:14 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c4f1a0$79021ee0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I live in Phoenix, but go over to LA fairly regularly to go to the textile district. Where are these folks you speak of? >-----Original Message----- > >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little Vietnamese >community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts for your feet >from scratch. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 10:04:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F4L0j009234 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:04:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03F3N2L011800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F3FAf066310; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from peaches.princessharold.net (haroldk-host177.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F3Chu066238 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gwen@princessharold.net) Received: from princessharold.net (bob.princessharold.net [192.168.0.4]) by peaches.princessharold.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE72F7EC for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:03:17 -0600 From: Gwen Kachelmyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration References: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO they look like buttons on the bottom of the skirt as well. They look like they're just covered buttons. I believe wool crepe is period, but i'm not positive. I can't find the book I was going to use to check it. I think i may have seen it in descriptions in fashion plates. Gwen Cascio Michael wrote: > >http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=162&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb >and was wondering what the decoration was on the lady >in the white dress on the far right. I could see >buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of >the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the >overskirt look to be the same. Was this possibly a >pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe >for this timeframe? I know crepe of some kind was >available to the Vikings but when would they have used >it for dresses in the 19th century? I'd like a nice >Edwardian or Victorian winter dress out of the crepe >but would prefer to be as authentic as possible as it >is really nice wool. If the buttons on this are >duplicatable or the trim could be duplicated even in a >white or cream lace I think I could have found my >winter project. Thanks for any thoughts. > Cassandra > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 13:06:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I6o2p010791 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:06:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03I5g2L001879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I5IED014387; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I52Vc013959 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:04:10 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:04:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Thread-Index: AcTxpamR7EUJKA2GSf+v6wUd9ZZ0rgAGKqOw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 18:04:10.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[A027CE20:01C4F1BE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] List wierdness.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it just me, or is the list sending out triplicate messages? Only in the last two days, but I've been getting three identical copies of each message (sender, subject, time-stamp, text) and haven't a clue why.. Can anybody help, correct, comment? Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 13:45:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Ij0oC011407 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03Ii62L007316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Ii0wY048965; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03IhuU6048817 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.157.475121f2 (2612) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <157.475121f2.2f0aec63@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:43:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:07:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > I could see > buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of > the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the > overskirt look to be the same. It looks like they used tons of the same passemeterie applied all over the jacket overskirt and skirt with buttons trimming the bottom. This would not be unusual. Sometimes the buttons on the skirt are not really sturdy functional buttons like would be on the jacket but might be like made of covered cardboard. The turnbacks [or revers] are lined in the same fabric all over the ensemble. Was this possibly a > > pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe > for this timeframe? > > Not if you're imitating this dress, which is obviously watered silk. I'm not > sure wool crepe is a popular fabric at this time but, y'know....never say > never. Stiff fabrics, fabrics with body are in vogue then. If the crepe is > drapey and supple save it for the 1930s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 14:13:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JDCfW011918 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03JCC2L011246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JC1FB073819; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JBux6073734 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.93.42.10]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050103191155.KUCN1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:11:55 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20050103140325.00c48478@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:11:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would agree with this. The passemeterie is either in a figure 8 or series of circles pattern. It looks like buttons would be placed in the centre of these circular patterns at the front of the jacket (I would bet the jacket would be closed with hooks, however). A series of buttons run down the lower centre front of the skirt for decorative purposes. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 17:33:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MXsj0015547 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03MX02L004839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MWN5S040193; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav15.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MW8CI039962 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:32:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:31:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:32:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 22:32:02.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BB0CC30:01C4F1E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I'm awfully late in answering this but... > Fhirst I had reeds for boning in my corset but I've got some awfull > bruses on my hips. > I think the corset may be to schort for me. > But the back looks to high. I just don't know where every thing really > schould be. Often, if you have bruises on your hips, the corset is too long, not too short. I remember that I often think that you make your corsets and bodices too long. But of course, that's just looking at pics, and I might be totally wrong. > I think metal isn't flexibale enough and reeds are tho thick. It depends what kind of metal boning you use. There's spring steel, and there's spiral steel. They're not the same at all. There's also different kinds of spring steel, some are more rigid than others. And of course, artificial whalebone (plastic) is usually more flexible than metal. What kind of reeds were you using? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 17:57:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Mv8ea015954 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:57:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03MuM2L006926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MuHN5059569; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Mu9bF059442 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3953B2F323 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p191.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.193]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D2A4D484 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 2 cents from a novice of this period. The dress looks to be of moire (sp?) The red looks to be satin. The edging could be lace. I do not think that there are buttons all along the edge and the bottom edge of the jacket appears to be somewhat flat. Same goes for the skirt and cuffs. There may be buttons of the sort at the bodice opening and definitely four buttons in the rectangular section on the skirt. De Still getting over being sick. :P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 18:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NReUO016473 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:27:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03NR22L009861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NQuc7084152; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NPhM7083214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.97] (acty3097.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.97]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j03NPcnv010463 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <41D9D46D.7070904@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:25:33 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World References: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, well. I see that the costume folks had lots of fun and abuse with historical accuracy on this one. Black shirts? Never have seen one (not counting Blackadder, of course ;) ). Poor old (not young) Matoak (Pocahontas) wearing some poorly sewn together top looking like some 70s patchwork handbag. I didn't even get to see how badly they screwed up the shoes... and the visor on that one burgeonet looks like they stole it from a suit of that decorator armor that adorns theme restaurants (although the rest of the armor looks not too bad). Rickrack on Rolfe's doublet? At least I know who made the muskets, so they look fine. I guess I'll have to go see this one and suffer through it . Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0415aoC017163 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:05:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041532L017690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0414V0P009885; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav5.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04145Di009623 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:03:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 01:04:00.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[466F8180:01C4F1F9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Stretching it, I know, but what did you all get? Nothing costume-related either this year - the books I wanted are either too expensive or too hard to get - meaning *I* know where to buy them, but it's too complicated for *them* to buy them out there :-) DVDs (Last Samurai, Charlie Brown Christmas, Monsters Inc., The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and the extended version of Return of the King), CDs (Jorane, Rama Sutra, people you wouldn't know about because they're from around here), Cooking books (Ricardo (local chef) and a Japanese cooking book), one of those nice cast iron enamelled Japanese teapots (I'm so in love with it I kept taking it out of the box just to look at it), a sushi serving set (plates, chopsticks, bowls and sauce bowls), homemade things to eat, a CD with songs of local birds so I can learn to recognize them by sound (I've been wanting one of those for a long long time), some clothing and a pearl necklace directly from China, and a starter calligraphy set. Phew! I didn't realize it made such a long list! But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to get exactly what I want :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041HAqL017244 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041GD2L018562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041G98C017093; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041G7s6017004 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:16:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:15:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:11:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 01:16:00.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B6AD90:01C4F1FA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think my most favorite was the > rolling magnet that my hubby gave me. It is about a foot long and sits on > wheels above the ground about an inch. It rolls along my floor and picks up > all the pins I drop (hundreds!). Wow! I should think of getting one of those. It's amazing how fast I go through a box of pins - I figure they probably just get vacuumed up, because I hardly ever seem to find any, let alone notice when I loose them! I just know that I have to buy a new box every few years - and I don't even sew that much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:42:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041gl3D017434 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:42:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041gB2L020187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041g3f5032580; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041g1GC032494 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005010401415601500ceaoge>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:41:56 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.117; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:41:54 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:41:54 +0000 Message-Id: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got a few gift cards to Fred Meyers from my family. My favorite gift is the one I got from a gentleman who was in Lyon France when we started corresponding. He brought back for me the "musee des tissus musee des Arts decoratifs". He also took some awesome pictures some of the looms that were there. Of course, the book is in french, but I'm still elated! Elena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 21:42:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042gZkB017783 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j042fn2L024343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042fZDB070359; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042fU1J070220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j043n4NK020833 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:49:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:00:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501032200.57137.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got three costume-related presents: A copy of "Chinese Silk," by Shelagh Vainker, which is a history of the production of silk in China; A copy of "The Book of Kimono" by Norio Yamanaka, who founded one of the modern schools on how to wear kimono properly. It's mostly a manual on how to do just that, with a bit of costume history. and.... A digital camera, so I can download photos of my creations onto the web. Now if I only had time to make some.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 21:50:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042obMF017837 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j042j32L024552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042j3Fg072618; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042gF9n070722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j043nnls020857 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:49:49 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] List wierdness.. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:01:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501032201.42996.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 03 January 2005 1:04 pm, Betsy Marshal wrote: > Is it just me, or is the list sending out triplicate messages? Only in the > last two days, but I've been getting three identical copies of each message > (sender, subject, time-stamp, text) and haven't a clue why.. > Can anybody help, correct, comment? Betsy I haven't seen the behavior (in fact, I've seen very few h-costume messages at all in the past few days. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 23:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0449L21018307 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:09:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0448f2L001201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0448Yw4024566; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52807.mail.yahoo.com (web52807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0448TLF024446 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heirloomsew@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42779 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 04:08:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=P0uTrRGMkRkBgiSsAccYW8A1fACvLX5/E2IMGYT+co4NzuXS02AMH/C79yaLzyHvmX3Y7b0iOcXWRgYGUf4ip2oRjl6xE27ompfKI4lAaVptNiiOG47wQGItgK30YXlnpNznZpEz16P4YoVd774mBG2Y+co8/OBeqTjR3JaQeJQ= ; Message-ID: <20050104040824.42777.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.203.167.228] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:08:24 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: Frances Webb To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Everyone, I'm very interested in costume but haven't sewn many, so I'm a "lurker" on your list learning so much from all of you. However, I just found out the the bobbin lace guild I belong to has been invited to demonstrate at Appomattox Court House in April for the 140th anniversary of Lee's surrender. And all who want to participate will need an 1865 outfit. Normally, we demonstrate at Thomas Jefferson's summer home, Poplar Forest, on the Fourth of July, so most of us have c.1810 costumes. Only two members do Civil War re-enactment. Can you suggest an easy "big three" pattern that would look fairly close to what a woman in Virginia might have worn in 1865 at the end of the war? Several of us are larger women, so any advice in that area would be appreciated as well. It is uncertain whether we would need costumes of this period after this one time, so some members are reluctant to go the whole route with 100% authentic. But after the turmoil of war, I'm not sure what women might have been wearing... Would they have still been wearing stays, for example? Fabric suggestions would also be very welcome--should we try to fade or add "wear" to our costume? As you can tell, I'm feeling overwhelmed with the possibilities! Any way, thanks in advance for your help, Frances in Virginia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 23:49:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044npgm018690 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j044nB2L003688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044kjvY047404; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044jp1a046903 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from IceGirlNIN@aol.com) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.6.3bb40bfd (657) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <6.3bb40bfd.2f0b7978@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:45:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Civil War era isn't my period, but Simplicity has put out several patterns done by Martha McCain that might be of help to you. I've heard only good things about this particular designer, and Simplicity even has documentation for a couple of patterns (her men's patterns, I believe) on the website! If you go to _www.simplicity.com_ (http://www.simplicity.com) , to the Civil War costumes section for Adult costumes, you'll find them. The women's patterns on the website are 5442 (summer dress) 5724 (ballgown), 7212 (day dresses), and 9761 (day dress). There are also undergarments patterns for corsets, hoopskirts, and chemises, and drawers. A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if you don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd just buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way! Hope this is helpful, Christine In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, heirloomsew@yahoo.com writes: Can you suggest an easy "big three" pattern that would look fairly close to what a woman in Virginia might have worn in 1865 at the end of the war? Several of us are larger women, so any advice in that area would be appreciated as well. It is uncertain whether we would need costumes of this period after this one time, so some members are reluctant to go the whole route with 100% authentic. But after the turmoil of war, I'm not sure what women might have been wearing... Would they have still been wearing stays, for example? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 07:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C9OiY012543 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:09:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04C8d2L007465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C8RuF075949; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C7kZi075583 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1db.329ed28a (4254) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.329ed28a.2f0be101@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, IceGirlNIN@aol.com writes: A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if you don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd just buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way Yes, these patterns are great. I agree about the hoop--you might even be able to find one cheap at a thrift store. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:15:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EFqQk019776 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04EF12L015061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EEdsp045602; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EEbba045512 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4C445E90064; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:14:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 14:14:27 -0000 Message-ID: <009101c4f267$cbbb0080$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the mounted lace. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > Hello. > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, put > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to iron > it. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E House" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:07 AM > Subject: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is great-grandma-in-law's > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as I > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to risk > bleach. > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell them, > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to draft > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, > for example. > > -E House > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff of > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:25:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EPIAT019820 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04EOU2L015596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EORIW051331; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EOPYw051252 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A71140EA009C; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:24:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 14:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <00c501c4f269$2bbb4e80$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226183952.16670.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF23D6.5030507@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, couldn't you use the box for storage of things like fans, silk hose , gloves and mitts, beaded belts, and such. I seem to be getting a nice collection of boxes and baskets that I am filling with assessories for my various costume period collections. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore > http://www.bol.com/ > Try this one > > cw15147-lists@yahoo.com wrote: > > >Sorry for this completely off-topic post, but I'm > >hoping to get help from the international members of > >the list. I'm looking for well-recommended Dutch > >bookstores selling on the web (that will ship > >internationally), selling Dutch-language books (not > >literary texts, just popular novels and the like). > >Amazon.nl bumps you over to amazon.uk, and they don't > >seem to have a very extensive inventory of > >Dutch-language books (well, I'm actually looking for > >audiobooks). > > > >Thanks! Oh, and Happy Holidays to ya'll! > > > > > > > >Claudine > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:45:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EjTAp019999 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Eii2L016625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EidJa063814; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j04EiVtM063650 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 14:44:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050104144008.01496608@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:41:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q In-Reply-To: <009101c4f267$cbbb0080$715183d1@rmitchellras> References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:15 04/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests >that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will >help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the >mounted lace. Don't forget that a stocking, in the 19th century, would have been silk, cotton, or wool, in all probability. Suzi > > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, >put > > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to >iron > > it. > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is >great-grandma-in-law's > > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as >I > > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to >risk > > bleach. > > > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell >them, > > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to >draft > > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of >fun > > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial >wallpaper, > > for example. > > > > -E House > > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff >of > > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 10:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FKxcY020442 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04FK02L019212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FJnd7088323; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FJk9w088186 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A40B3D91008C; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:19:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 15:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <020201c4f270$e725f560$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:20:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Concerning the magnet, where did your husband Find this intriguing item? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts > > I think my most favorite was the > > rolling magnet that my hubby gave me. It is about a foot long and sits on > > wheels above the ground about an inch. It rolls along my floor and picks > up > > all the pins I drop (hundreds!). > > Wow! I should think of getting one of those. It's amazing how fast I go > through a box of pins - I figure they probably just get vacuumed up, because > I hardly ever seem to find any, let alone notice when I loose them! I just > know that I have to buy a new box every few years - and I don't even sew > that much. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 10:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FQLBO020487 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04FPV2L019712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FPSDT092374; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FPLl2092217 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A55B2E9500A4; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:25:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 15:25:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4f271$af254ca0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub><000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.0.14.2.20050104144008.01496608@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:25:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are correct! I have singles of both cotton and silk that I bought to use for doll hose. Since they are uncut, they can still be used for that purpose...when I have the inclination to sew the stuff! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > At 09:15 04/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests > >that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will > >help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the > >mounted lace. > > > Don't forget that a stocking, in the 19th century, would have been silk, > cotton, or wool, in all probability. > > Suzi > > > > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > > > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, > >put > > > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > > > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > > > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to > >iron > > > it. > > > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is > >great-grandma-in-law's > > > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > > > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > > > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > > > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > > > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > > > > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as > >I > > > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to > >risk > > > bleach. > > > > > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell > >them, > > > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to > >draft > > > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > > > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > > > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of > >fun > > > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial > >wallpaper, > > > for example. > > > > > > -E House > > > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > > > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff > >of > > > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 11:25:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GPiwq021236 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04GOh2L025619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GOVaR039717; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GOOms039565 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:24:17 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year Thread-Index: AcTyafJjJ+pITzucRDO2Xz5ivYe6iQAD1bRA content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello folks! I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at work (where my email access is). I won't have time to read all the list stuff that happened while I was away so I'm skipping it and startting in with the here and now (hope I didn't miss anythign too important!) I hope you all had a great time over Christmas and New Year Teddy (who had a fantastic time visitng friends and sewing dolls and dolls clothes but ddin't get any costume related presents except a few very loud "fat quarters" that will probably end up as dolls clothes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:43:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhNjf022931 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HSc2L002499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HSTpH095676; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HSNmn094930 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j04HRi218225.; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:27:44 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:27:44 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:27:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 04/01/2005 16:24:17 >>> >I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at >work (where my email access is). Me, too. I went to Chichester for New Year - spent 2 days playing Renaissance music (in costume) in a 17th century cottage at the Weald & Downland Open-air Museum (complete with log fire and candlelight). We had fun and the public were very appreciative. I didn't get any costume-related presents, but have spent some of my Christmas money on historical fiction and period cookery books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:43:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hhh5n022941 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HfD2L004118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HfC0Q007694; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hf8nv007640 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Clsg6-00048h-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:41:06 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j04Hhh5n022941 Status: RO I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace Hardware is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock it! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HoJUb023069 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HbK2L003750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HbDNT004429; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hb7UQ004289 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.46.60172e8f (4539) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The gowns of this period are big and full of fabric but they are not that hard to make. There are no unusual skills required and some commercial patterns are very good. It's the underpinnings that are the bitch. Make a corset and wear it. It is essential. Also, even with a commercial pattern, remember clothes then fitted more snugly than you may be used to. Fit the bodice close and tight. If you don't want to make a hoop, you can get away with buying or renting one from a bridal shop. Get one with as many hoops as possible. Make a small butt pad and wear it under the hoop to push it to the back a bit. The hoop at this time has a slight train and is a difficult shape to get, but a regular hoop with a small pad under it is acceptable....especially for day wear. Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. Have fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:54:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HsI4f023145 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Hi02L004379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhxRS010215; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhXfF009705 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.184] (pm5-184.eos.net [205.133.149.184]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j04HhJdb010827 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:19 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:38:23 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501041425.j04EOxRR051654@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: big 3 civil war X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with what everyone else has said. If you are going with a "Big 3" pattern then definitely go with Simplicity. And if you are only going to wear it once I wouldn't worry too much about complete authenticity as long as it's in the right era -- I know, heresy! heresy! -- but of course you can always look at photos and fashion plates from the era and customize. At least one of the Simplicity patterns is in large sizes; maybe all of them. I'm not an expert on this era, but as far as I know after the war the women would be wearing the same things they wore before and during the war. They didn't abandon their stays or petticoats because of hardship. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:54:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HsNrh023154 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Hha2L004340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhXHo009765; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhQCv009673 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so196240rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PT2wHCyB2uT5VCH80q+SPtCfpybgNI7OkrFA08ApXinpeoRo09sBg17dKZfolq8rUt19KgAaccx56ypZcyfRGfaQRG5JVunmy7tzsW4I/pR67YF/tvtPsjNg5lxnH62RAsTmMjBB/NL95fyXKc8qhBbS5imIP+3PgqAfTfxhhnE= Received: by 10.38.161.21 with SMTP id j21mr288096rne; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:25 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions In-Reply-To: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to > get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and > at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you > just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide > elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. -- I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2vuP023363 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04I2M2L006533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2HrE026942; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2CKa026774 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e3.321859de (4402) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.321859de.2f0c341c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:41:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! Dritz makes one, too, and it works well. It is available with notions in sewing stores. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IDsIH023575 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04ICn2L007756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04ICgVT036270; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j04ICbwL036196 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7926 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:12:38 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:12:38 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:12:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:12:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses > Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! > > The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic > silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It > took > it off in a second! > > > > It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is > expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace > Hardware > is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock > it! Try your local Bed, Bath & Beyond. In their cleaning/ironing section they sell irons and the Faultless iron cleaner. And yes, it works great! Di www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IIQau023659 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04IFD2L007973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IF6Zk038336; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IF2Ms038054 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010418145001400r4d8de>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:14:50 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.118; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:14:48 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:14:48 +0000 Message-Id: <010420051814.2485.41DADD180004546F000009B522007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm. I wonder if that's why I find myself inexplictly gently swaying side to side. I always thought it was because I developed a habit of rocking, to get my baby to sleep... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to > > get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and > > at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you > > just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide > > elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. > -- > > I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught > to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. > (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in > a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. > > ============================ > Soda Club Distibutor > http://snipurl.com/avkn > http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 14:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JCfG1024697 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04JBj2L014604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JBXYU088386; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04J9i12086637 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9F121EC0058; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:09:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 19:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4f291$07535ce0$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:10:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have also found it at my JoAnns and other sewing-fabric venues. I usually pick up three or more when I find it. Great stuff indeed ! to have on hand. Nothing like stitch witchery and its cousins to gum up an iron. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace Hardware is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock it! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 14:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JZidL025205 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04JZ72L017026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JZ0Nt008876; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JYuQE008776 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AFDA1F4D0066; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:34:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 19:34:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c4f294$8d21ca20$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:35:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] end of the year finds X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j04JZidL025205 Status: RO Just home from Boston... Two books I found in assorted stores: Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various sources. I had not seen this before. Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, ornamentation, and functionality. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:08:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K8o3O025849 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04K7x2L020351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K7tvb037057; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K7o5R036757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D19D878D for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 03466-01 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 69EEFD833C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions > > I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught > to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. > (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in > a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. > This is precisely what I LOVE about this time period. I love the feel of a gently swaying skirt when I walk. It's a big part of why I prefer late period SCA garb as well. The wedding gown I orginally had chosen for my first wedding looked like an all white version of Scarlett O'Hara's barbecue dress. (I didn't get to wear it, because it was burnt to ashes in a warehouse fire before I ever got it--which should have been a warning to me--but that's a whole 'nother story. lol) The one I wound up wearing also had a hoop, but was completely different in style otherwise. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:16:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KGHti026004 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:16:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KFL2L021090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KFAVQ043352; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KF6vL043293 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so228172rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gedN+nS3lIlGgijjpty/O5YcYcNixZgr+C1IE8kkog2lUbwVj5zfeIErFYD9Wgm1v0AlFKp7+Vq3FKiG/kRT+RJxnUYvKluzGsFYP9Gx9fc1WGeXANQFBLu/HEf745j2NkZ5LSrrDW0aTSLddMi3MIERUU8jlgkjwdy+viXKjvo= Received: by 10.38.4.61 with SMTP id 61mr167445rnd; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:15:02 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions In-Reply-To: <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:09:08 -0500, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > This is precisely what I LOVE about this time period. I love the feel of a > gently swaying skirt when I walk. It's a big part of why I prefer late > period SCA garb as well. > > The wedding gown I orginally had chosen for my first wedding looked like an > all white version of Scarlett O'Hara's barbecue dress. (I didn't get to wear > it, because it was burnt to ashes in a warehouse fire before I ever got > it--which should have been a warning to me--but that's a whole 'nother > story. lol) The one I wound up wearing also had a hoop, but was completely > different in style otherwise. > > Dianne -- I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KHoA6026042 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:17:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KHD2L021344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KHDpo045313; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KGUnO044635 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-56-125.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.56.125]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KGctw008753 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:16:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:16:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to >get exactly what I want :-) After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). It's 367 pages of crochet history, with 761 images of antique crocheted items and antique crochet illustrations. There are even pages from antique crochet-sample albums. In the back are instructions, in Danish, for several different antique crochet techniques, illustrated with antique examples. The printing is sufficiently good that I can copy many of these items without having to learn Danish. But, as an appendix, my copy has all the captions translated into English. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 16:59:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04LxaX5027886 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:59:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Lwt2L003176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Lwl3J035048; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04LwgCN034839 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12d.5319d970 (2612) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.5319d970.2f0c6b8a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:58:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:09:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, goofy1@suscom.net writes: > I love the feel of a > gently swaying skirt when I walk. Well, there's a SWAY.....and there's a SWING. I'd avoid the swing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 17:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MFjtc027963 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04MF42L004839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MEvlF049881; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MEqvF049612 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 569E3143606; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:14:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust180.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.180]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A5DB1435A9 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:06:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > > I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. > Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great > camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look worn with a flowy open linen shirt. Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 17:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MW8Uf028053 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:32:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04MVM2L006417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MVGYT063492; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MVB9p063415 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so250477rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:31:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=k27fEyZME+zlpQlS7wuThLs5M3HKkFqzLpGbOOhdka9k9H0+JsSkcMe1qXZhM3oTiHgIm7hZ71U1lZexMV5DkNgHPQps3NKE45+wSXKOEzC9rZpjwDOAq/W6q5Dxsq4eqyAQDfIPrdTACg+E6L3OBhzKAkin7+PsA4/MNGivoCk= Received: by 10.38.149.61 with SMTP id w61mr101362rnd; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104143153cac259@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:31:09 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:06:30 -0600, E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've > recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as > often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are > going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, > swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. > Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look > worn with a flowy open linen shirt. -- I have a couple pairs of 40's era pants from the Folkwear patterns. Very comfy. I also like the empire waisted tops and luckily fashion is vearing in that direction. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04N2l84028327 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04N272L009554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04N1vUo089311; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Mx979087101 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A4062B3B for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:59:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:50:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f294$8d21ca20$665183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:35 PM 1/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Just home from Boston... >Two books I found in assorted stores: >Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of >dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various >sources. I had not seen this before. I love that book. I have the original hardcover that I bought years ago, and every time I read it I learn something new. It's one of my prime resource for Irish costuming. >Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe >the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten >does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the >ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the >costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, >ornamentation, and functionality. Is that the "sister" book to _Fashion in Detail_ by Hart and North? If so, I have seen that at the stores and pondered getting it, although I am not as much into more "ethnic" garments as I once was. >Kathleen Thanks for sharing your finds, Kathleen. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NEAL5028372 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04NDJ2L010747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NDEbg098518; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NDBpU098395 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from osmanthus@comcast.net) Received: from 9gjej (h000c41cacef8.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.29.62]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010423130501100g874re>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:13:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c4f2b3$be63dd20$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Amy Butler Greenfield" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050102185435.014959a8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [other] RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Costume collections worth a visit - Museum of London and Victoria and > Albert Museum, although the V and A has most of its historical costume > collection in store currently - you can still visit the lace archives and > fabric archives in the library - check when you get there - it's a long > time since I was there. Yes, the V & A is worth a visit, even with most of the costumes in storage. The Textiles Studies Rooms are wonderful, and surprisingly accessible. When I was last there in 2002, I swooned over the gorgeous Renaissance velvets. The V & A gift shop also has a fine collection of costume and textile books, some of which are hard to find elsewhere -- though unfortunately quite expensive, given the current dollar-to-pound exchange. Have a marvelous trip! Amy G., who recently joined this list and is very impressed with how skilled and knowledgeable you all are! Amy Butler Greenfield osmanthus@cochineal.net cochineal@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NQQ8t028475 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:26:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04NPk2L011800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NPDQ7008281; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NP6oN008080 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2190197 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:57 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! Thanks for that shot in the arm! LynnD On 1/4/05 2:06 PM, "E House" wrote: > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:48:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Nm17C028629 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:48:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Nkd2L013602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NkZoZ024270; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NkWTa024232 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so260343rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uPPQfI9Ech8QtU/auEH3Nt+x1aOkhpmKJsHCX74eEL1bOBE1f7HGbVncJb2psDFpOiZ11XymyM8JHL25ErL232CVBEWa2bvv1priDmTdtPGxUl8SlnFP1mYBdpBQ4aiDEew5OSBEt+ESa+0Owb4zI52wh2RlF7uNEsisYfk0Jio= Received: by 10.38.102.78 with SMTP id z78mr37124rnb; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:46:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104154641cc9810@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:46:31 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your 50? Are you a Red Hatter? Then you get the red and purple. Imagine red folkwear pants in satin with a purple satin blouse. And a hat. You need a hat. On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800, Lynn Downward wrote: > You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the > Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me > until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly > losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy > clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I > like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! > > Thanks for that shot in the arm! > LynnD ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 19:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502wpc028738 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0502N2L015000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502HoA035945; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502Fr6035857 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2190370 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:02:08 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:02:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c5accc8050104154641cc9810@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No. I wear hats, not red. I don't wear purple ever - stopped in high school when the whole world went purple. Gave it up with unicorns. The red hatters I've met one on one are lovely people. I'm not a joiner. On 1/4/05 3:46 PM, "Jacqueline Johnson" wrote: > Your 50? Are you a Red Hatter? Then you get the red and purple. > Imagine red folkwear pants in satin with a purple satin blouse. And a > hat. You need a hat. > > > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800, Lynn Downward wrote: >> You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the >> Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me >> until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly >> losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy >> clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I >> like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! >> >> Thanks for that shot in the arm! >> LynnD > ============================ > Soda Club Distibutor > http://snipurl.com/avkn > http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 20:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051JgtC029041 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j051J42L021374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051Iq8e086246; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051In1A086135 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m49.in-tch.com [216.166.191.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j051GAQ29423 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:16:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41DB419A.2050207@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:23:38 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Teddy! It's been pretty quiet on the list. Mostly, I remember discussions about Holiday gifts received. And some discussion about 19th c. costuming... --sue, from frigid, single-digit Montana (farenheit, kids...well below freezing ;o), where she is currently engaged in spinning nice, warm wool yarn and contemplating what she wants to do for costuming in 2005.... Teddy wrote: > Hello folks! > > I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at > work (where my email access is). I won't have time to read all the list > stuff that happened while I was away so I'm skipping it and startting in > with the here and now (hope I didn't miss anythign too important!) > > I hope you all had a great time over Christmas and New Year > > Teddy > (who had a fantastic time visitng friends and sewing dolls and dolls > clothes but ddin't get any costume related presents except a few very > loud "fat quarters" that will probably end up as dolls clothes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:00:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0530qQF029690 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053022L027911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j052xrgw046494; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:59:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j052xpkh046422 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip04.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j052xjbt025756 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:59:45 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip04.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2005 21:59:45 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,101,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="533058228:sNHT14297842" Message-ID: <000301c4f2d2$99ec7140$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1db.329ed28a.2f0be101@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:59:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another place to find hoops are at a bridal shop. They will often sell you their older ones. I picked some up for $5-10. Worth it even if it is just for the wires. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions > > In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > IceGirlNIN@aol.com writes: > > A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store > will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if > you > don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd > just > buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way > > > Yes, these patterns are great. I agree about the hoop--you might even be > able to find one cheap at a thrift store. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:08:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0538fFt029727 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053892L028347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05384vR051423; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51408.mail.yahoo.com (web51408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05381CC051337 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85162 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 03:07:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pMSTJ2ungxqM2H4/6dsER8osg8yAlmKZWYBNYvO7QDCVNFGyRiXvl6wkqynjZWe//yvjP3anIuVpoOOD1QdDh62V0rHxPkXuQDV4Udfh8Hh2GhwNdtotalOc9FRusAx/ARyb+NlsAza31gwP44eWI/wuYHv6KrehQVcxr2UaIA8= ; Message-ID: <20050105030755.85160.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.167.17.95] by web51408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:07:55 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501050123.j051MTDH089026@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, After the recent discussions about Civil War Dresses, I think I'd like to try my hand at one. (Day Dress not ballgown) Can anyone reccommend a few authentic patterns to try some with some history and descriptions? Pretty Please? Thanks Again, Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:15:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053Fp7H029821 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053FG2L028773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053FDtt055501; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053FBJb055483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-85.sonic.net [209.148.113.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j053F9P4020591 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: <41DB5BBF.4080806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:15:11 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I bought this entirely translated into English a few years ago, as _Crochet: History and Technique_, published by Interweave Press. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself > a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas > money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second > Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan > (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053HI7j029836 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:17:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053Gg2L028854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053GgU2056420; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053Ge9B056403 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F9BCD4 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:16:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104191526.027f7780@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:15:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: References: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:24 PM 1/4/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I've been slowly >losing weight over the past few months. Good for you LynnD! That is wonderful. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:38:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053cGA9030125 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:38:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053bc2L000383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053bZtM068833; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053bXxt068782 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053bdu2009829 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:37:41 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050104193005.03491880@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:30:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: <41DB5BBF.4080806@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I bought this entirely translated into English a few years ago, as >_Crochet: History and Technique_, published by Interweave Press. > >>book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). Amazing stuff. Enough to keep me busy all year. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 23:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054LIJD030712 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054KJ2L003297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054KAl8095100; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav31.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054K7xQ095010 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:19:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6><4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:19:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:19:18 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2005 04:20:01.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2DCB3B0:01C4F2DD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j054LIJD030712 Status: RO Last year, at the after-Christmas sales, I saw a wonderful tree skirt reduced to a very cheap price. It was gold and red, with panels of brocade and velvet and big tassels. Unfortunately Unfortunately, I had no use for a tree skirt. I got it anyway, with the idea I could wear it a a little cape but I've been very hesitant about doing something so strange. However, when we went out to dinner on Christmas day I decided that this was the most glitzy occasion I was likely to go to, so I'd better wear it or face donating it to the Goodwill. The teenage waitress just gushed, such a wonderful shawl, where did I get it, etc. She was a little taken aback to learn it was "really" a tree skirt but stated her intention of hitting the stores the next day in search of a beautiful, marked-down 50 to 75% off, tree skirt. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 23:55:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054tBFY031129 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:55:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054sb2L005431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054sWf2016651; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054sTfK016608 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A30A31BBF for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p128.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.130]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DE78D3CF for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not suppose to buy material unless it is for a project I am working on but I came across 9 yds of green raw silk fabric at $3 a yard. Couldn't find the yellow satin I need to line a long vest. Working on a costume, Simplicity 9045, retro which they no longer sell. I purchased at one time the reddish batik with gold cracks and a purply and reddish batik with gold cracks. I have only so much of each so I have decided to line the vest with a yellow gold satin and add to the patchwork panels Patchwork, because there is not enough of the cracked material to cut all six pieces of the vest as wholes. So the side panel pieces will be the cracked fabric and the front panel pieces and maybe the back will be patchwork. Wal-Mart and Jo Ann's sold out of those two crack fabrics and could not find the satin in the color I need, will check with hobby lobby sometime, they may have the batik with cracks and/or the satin. Enough rambling, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 00:28:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055S4R4031620 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j055RR2L006997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055RKWd035316; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41807.mail.yahoo.com (web41807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j055RJQI035261 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40071 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 05:27:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2aSmEpKuai4Jx8Kjox5gdHSE8yYv9t4N4vq+T79RijV9eTPYagzFYgPK6QKF9aHnAVemvuSKCCohqI+/huZJQDaVUsPD/P49Ju4tk0e2ZV9LCypBZCFHJlheaUzw6j5g19Pff9HCVCJOb5mz7E2rqcqLgjrsmTMVF/etWmaDkrg= ; Message-ID: <20050105052713.40069.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.154] by web41807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:27:13 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts ? Thonk Garden Grove... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c4f1a0$79021ee0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO City called Garden Grove, they have a "Little Siagon" area there,Garden Grove is about 60 miles South of LA or just a little bit south of Buena Park (think Knotts Berry Farm)AAA could probably give you a heads up on the area...For me it's South on Hwy 39 (Beach Blvd) --- Wicked Frau wrote: > I live in Phoenix, but go over to LA fairly > regularly to go to the textile > district. Where are these folks you speak of? > > >-----Original Message----- > > >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. > Calif.) our local little > Vietnamese > >community has old country shoe makers that custom > make lasts for your feet > >from scratch. > > Thanks, > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 00:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055gBFp031767 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j055fc2L007706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055fZIL042856; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j055fSIw042800 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 05:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.254) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 05:41:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:47:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050105030755.85160.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <45625980-5EDD-11D9-8926-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j055fSIw042800 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really recommend http://www.pastpatterns.com/1850.html Their patterns are excellent! Good luck, Aylwen Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 02:07 PM, ~Angelique wrote: > > Greetings, > > After the recent discussions about Civil War Dresses, I think I'd > like to try my hand at one. (Day Dress not ballgown) Can anyone > reccommend a few authentic patterns to try some with some history and > descriptions? Pretty Please? > > Thanks Again, Angelique > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 06:09:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05B9dac003106 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05B8l2L007236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05B8Zok014712; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41006.mail.yahoo.com (web41006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05B8Xdr014645 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17635 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 11:08:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nT7ryaKK9Yl3jZyQt2f1gfo/zsLbri9r525t6/7O3tWvsI41ckB2cZwvOl3Dy13EsAWYkBSuQpjZcgKCIJ1LmxJeDpc6qoI46xowo/n/JZx6kA29BDTlAB8dfNpooR56SbJr5ajTvNnS49yZ5DlZKFlKOL6ePs8ysImax1v6n2Y= ; Message-ID: <20050105110827.17633.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:08:27 PST Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 03:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Carolyn. If you want a translation, I would be happy to do that for you. Tania Denmark Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to >get exactly what I want :-) After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). It's 367 pages of crochet history, with 761 images of antique crocheted items and antique crochet illustrations. There are even pages from antique crochet-sample albums. In the back are instructions, in Danish, for several different antique crochet techniques, illustrated with antique examples. The printing is sufficiently good that I can copy many of these items without having to learn Danish. But, as an appendix, my copy has all the captions translated into English. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 08:49:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dn6c1030398 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05DmB2L005698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dm3jQ096882; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dm0xZ096816 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A00A2FD0007E; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:47:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 13:47:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f32d$400d2e20$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6><4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:48:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been having the same thought about reverting to a style I prefer. I arrived in Boston with a seemingly mysterious suitcase "someone" had packed for a 'city trip'. The luggage contained a few of my favorites but nothing especially went together. Sigh. Since I am now of an age that could make me a genuine "Red Hat Lady", I am making a decision to dress as I like and not how others around me interpret present fashion. I have been building a collection of vaguely ethnic clothing; most of it comes from "MarketPlace". It is funky to be sure, but comfortable. I do draw stares out in the marketplace, but as some of you are still comfortable in jeans and tees, being in my salwa camesia or sangli dresses is now my comfort zone. And I often get stopped with inquiries about where I shop. (Of course, for some, that might suggest that I am somekind of a bag lady). But others are interested about the company. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > > > > I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. > > Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great > > camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. > > > I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've > recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as > often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are > going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, > swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. > Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look > worn with a flowy open linen shirt. > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 08:53:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DrGrD030453 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:53:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05DqW2L005937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DqWnF099473; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DnXA3097663 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0674ADC007A; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:49:27 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 13:49:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c4f32d$7792be00$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:50:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe Hart and North are the authors. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds > At 02:35 PM 1/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Just home from Boston... > >Two books I found in assorted stores: > >Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of > >dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various > >sources. I had not seen this before. > > I love that book. I have the original hardcover that I bought years ago, > and every time I read it I learn something new. It's one of my prime > resource for Irish costuming. > > >Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe > >the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten > >does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the > >ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the > >costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, > >ornamentation, and functionality. > > Is that the "sister" book to _Fashion in Detail_ by Hart and North? If so, > I have seen that at the stores and pondered getting it, although I am not > as much into more "ethnic" garments as I once was. > > >Kathleen > > Thanks for sharing your finds, Kathleen. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 09:09:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E9iLw030560 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05E942L006889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E90po008795; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E8vtq008742 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4F3473B009C; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:08:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 14:08:50 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c4f330$2d75ef60$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:09:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds Delightful! I guess that steeped as we are in Historic Costume, finding design opportunity to bring a little life to our mundane fashion world. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT > I'm not suppose to buy material unless it is for a project I am working on > but I came across 9 yds of green raw silk fabric at $3 a yard. Couldn't find > the yellow satin I need to line a long vest. Working on a costume, > Simplicity 9045, retro which they no longer sell. > I purchased at one time the reddish batik with gold cracks and a purply and > reddish batik with gold cracks. I have only so much of each so I have > decided to line the vest with a yellow gold satin and add to the patchwork > panels Patchwork, because there is not enough of the cracked material to cut > all six pieces of the vest as wholes. So the side panel pieces will be the > cracked fabric and the front panel pieces and maybe the back will be > patchwork. Wal-Mart and Jo Ann's sold out of those two crack fabrics and > could not find the satin in the color I need, will check with hobby lobby > sometime, they may have the batik with cracks and/or the satin. > > Enough rambling, > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 10:10:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05FAhNk031716 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05F8a2L011320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05F8QAX044884; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05F8NMc044743 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ae.690b5946 (3996) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:08:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 12:42:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: > http://www.pastpatterns.com/1850.html Agreed! And pattern 708....1840-1880s corset is my favorite corset! It's a beautiful shape. I of course can't leave anything as is so I lengthened it 1" and added a bone between each bone in the pattern. But it works as is too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 11:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05GjFGk001019 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05GiS2L021250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05GhvUx028650; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05GhFp1027843 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050105164302.54628.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:43:02 PST Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re the Civil War,,,, It depends. I know folks on this list have many, many different mindsets regarding costume/clothes/garb. If you want authentic, go Past Patterns. She has detailed notes, and easy to follow instructions. If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. Don't forget to look on the web. A couple of the contributors to this list have web sites that are very informative. To name only one, Elizabeth Stewart Clark http://elizabethstewartclarkandcompany.com/Main.htm has free patterns and instructions for undergarments, in addition to notes and critiques on the simplicity patterns. And she says things so nicely. And is one of the folks who is available as an information (diamond) mine. Mia in Charlotte, NC, whos resolution for this year is to be a bit less of a lurker and observer, and a bit more of a participant. I will need help later on with my Brunswick gown. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 13:38:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IcTGr003265 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05Ial2L003700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Iaaam027809; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IaVmq027719 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05IaNh6019921 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:36:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105102301.03314908@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:27:37 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <20050105164302.54628.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit >easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a >good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. I find that the common pattern companies produce easy to follow patterns that can be tweaked toward more authentic construction and detail. And you can't beat the price or availability. I got one of these patterns, and added piping where the originals I looked at had it, and ended up with a pretty good result. I avoided getting several other of these patterns because they would have required too much modification to make them look like the originals I looked at. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 13:42:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IguYO003383 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05IgJ2L004258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IgGLN032884; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IcppN029783 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.126.53c711cd (4584) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:35 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-DCC-CollegeOfNewCaledonia-Metrics: net.indra.com 1189; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to order by mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to happen very frequently. I also think a factor for those who are not extremely accomplished seamstresses is that, if they have worked with "Big 3" patterns before, the Simplicity patterns will be more familiar and perhaps easier to follow. Past Patterns and others are excellent, but, if you want to go right out and buy your pattern and fabric and get sewing, it can be discouraging to have to wait for mail order. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:12:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JCnaL004036 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JBs2L008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JBoVK058667; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05J99kU056329 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05J4WsN010117 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105104500.03314c08@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:08:52 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. >Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to >order by mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to >happen very frequently. I only buy patterns to save myself from having to generate them myself from scratch. Decades ago when I started historical costuming, generating my own patterns was the usual case, and I got really tired of it. So I appreciate cheap patterns where I don't have to do much tweaking to make them into just what I want. This is especially important to me because I do science fiction costumes, including some pretty derivative stuff based on historical stuff. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JRut3004337 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JQc2L009882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JQZJ8071384; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JQVGq071336 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.251] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmGnc-0000go-UW for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01f901c4f35c$5edf4d90$fb159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:25:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b4bf18ae33bc5332f8f29bf12fb235825350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.251 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann wrote: > The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. > Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to > order by > mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to happen > very > frequently. Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:58:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JwTW9004969 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JvS2L013353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JvEmE097664; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JvBLc097551 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.fd.a55a2ba (3996) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:56:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:56:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > I only buy patterns to save myself from having to generate them myself from > > scratch. Ditto.... Why guess at a good shoulder slope when you can get one off a commercial pattern? You have to fit the garment anyway so the pattern is just an intermediate step. Use what you can get. I love fitting shells! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 15:09:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K9Wsg005199 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05K8l2L014436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K8c13007722; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K8YRL007607 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.157.477cedad (4394) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:08:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:27:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. At Joann's? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 15:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KOgfA005492 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:24:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05KO62L016066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KO2fV020816; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KNxsS020779 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.113] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmHhD-00051e-Vd for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c4f364$789757c0$71399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:23:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bcc0baae2022051d285ecd5af4a244b8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.113 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to > 17 > January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. > > > > At Joann's? Oops, yes, at JoAnn's. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 16:04:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L4j0w005982 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05L402L020808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L3rkX055568; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L3lct055470 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CmIJk-000MBX-8b for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:03:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:02:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<7P4N+R0T4zNXQE4tRFmTW2QHwk>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a bit of a dyeing accident before Christmas - I was trying to turn a very pale green pair of trousers into something of a deeper shade, more suitable for winter, but they came out absolutely screaming emerald! I also discovered a bright red jersey that I had bought and then always found too bright to wear - so I wore them together, with a red velved scrunchie with bells on in my hair! Cos I felt Christmassy, and why not? Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean JAMES OGILVIE wrote >Last year, at the after-Christmas sales, I saw a wonderful tree skirt >reduced to a very cheap price. It was gold and red, with panels of >brocade and velvet and big tassels. Unfortunately Unfortunately, I >had no use for a tree skirt. I got it anyway, with the idea I could >wear it a a little cape but I've been very hesitant about doing >something so strange. > >However, when we went out to dinner on Christmas day I decided that >this was the most glitzy occasion I was likely to go to, so I'd better >wear it or face donating it to the Goodwill. The teenage waitress just >gushed, such a wonderful shawl, where did I get it, etc. She was a >little taken aback to learn it was "really" a tree skirt but stated her >intention of hitting the stores the next day in search of a beautiful, >marked-down 50 to 75% off, tree skirt. > >Janet > >Janet Davis >Castle Furnishings >www.medievalbookstore.com > > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > - >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 16:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LOaWn006233 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05LMZ2L023070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LMU2t071713; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LMRxZ071661 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9V00I044OWWT@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.135] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.41]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: Historical Costume Message-id: <80e5af80b61a.80b61a80e5af@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? I thought I had the only one. She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) GAG!!!! Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 19:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060f85R007778 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j060eL2L012364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060eBqw028551; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060e8Lj028518 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j060e0h5001019 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:40:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105154122.032d0518@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:43:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f364$789757c0$71399b04@HELENPINTO> References: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 >>January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. >> >>At Joann's? > >Oops, yes, at JoAnn's. Oh good. I hate JoAnne's, and only buy things there if it costs them money, like expensive patterns for $.99 each. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 22:30:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063Uvs2011160 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j063U12L024203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063TqUW032114; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.t-mobile.com (m70195e42.tmodns.net [66.94.25.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063Tov8032045 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay.t-mobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FBF99D7 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.t-mobile.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.t-mobile.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06263-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from MeganLaptop (unknown [10.254.68.56]) by mailrelay.t-mobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <001501c4f32d$400d2e20$745183d1@rmitchellras> Thread-index: AcTzLada5PLkcnG5Qtaq6b+qNVKR1AAcimwQ Message-Id: <20050106032502.C7FBF99D7@mailrelay.t-mobile.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Care to supply us with a link for this "Marketplace" where you shop for your unique clothing? Now I'm curious. Thanks, -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) I have been having the same thought about reverting to a style I prefer. I arrived in Boston with a seemingly mysterious suitcase "someone" had packed for a 'city trip'. The luggage contained a few of my favorites but nothing especially went together. Sigh. Since I am now of an age that could make me a genuine "Red Hat Lady", I am making a decision to dress as I like and not how others around me interpret present fashion. I have been building a collection of vaguely ethnic clothing; most of it comes from "MarketPlace". It is funky to be sure, but comfortable. I do draw stares out in the marketplace, but as some of you are still comfortable in jeans and tees, being in my salwa camesia or sangli dresses is now my comfort zone. And I often get stopped with inquiries about where I shop. (Of course, for some, that might suggest that I am somekind of a bag lady). But others are interested about the company. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 22:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063tFmE011598 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j063sj2L025791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063semu044998; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063sW8D044772 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010603541101300t7ocge>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:54:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:54:11 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050106032502.C7FBF99D7@mailrelay.t-mobile.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marketplace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: Marketplaceindia.org sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes from India while supporting economic development for disadvantaged women in India. Or, to give you their own version: "MarketPlace: Handwork of India is a not-for-profit organization, which supports economic development for disadvantaged women in India. MarketPlace eschews the charity-based aid model, believing that it is better to give the artisans the opportunity to build their own viable and sustainable businesses. Through MarketPlace-supported programs the artisans receive training and education to help them set up and manage their own cooperatives. They also benefit from programs designed to encourage their personal growth as self-sufficient, self-confident and self-respecting women who are working to improve their lives, their families' futures, and their communities. MarketPlace is proud to market in the U.S. the products made by these women " As for their stuff, well, if you love fabric and you love costume, you'll find something to love there. I must say I find their Web site a little annoying; request the paper catalog so you can look at the styles and fabrics without having to know the names of each dress. Enjoy! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 23:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0642S30011740 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0641o2L026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0641l1l048985; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0641jN0048946 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13324 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:14:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:14:51 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Lauren Walker wrote: > In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: > Marketplaceindia.org sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes > from India while supporting economic development for disadvantaged > women in India. The stuff is *wonderful*. One of the DISTAFF crowd at K'zoo dresses almost exclusively in their clothes. Each year I look forward to seeing her new ones. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 23:42:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064ggOn012469 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j064fm2L028466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064fdmR070396; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064faOg070290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j065nLeI024155 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:49:22 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:01:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060001.15750.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got this message from Amazon re: My Order from them of Gale Owen-Crocker's updated "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" (personal order information deleted). I suppose I shouldn't have expected any better from Amazon. :-( ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Wednesday 05 January 2005 1:50 pm From: order-update@amazon.com [snip] Hello from Amazon.com. We wanted to let you know that there is a delay with item(s) in the order you placed on November 25 2004 20:20 PST (Order# [snip]). We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay. Please approve this delay so that we can continue processing your order. (Note that if we haven't received your approval by February 04 2005, the item will be cancelled. We'll still try to obtain and ship the item(s) before that date.) To do so, visit the following Order Update page in Your Account: [snip] If clicking the above link doesn't work, you can copy and paste the link into your browser's address window, or retype it there. You can also access this Order Update page by clicking the Your Account button in the upper right corner of any page at Amazon.com. Once there, you can make changes to unshipped orders, cancel unshipped items, track shipped packages, modify your account settings, and do much more. Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message. Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again. Sincerely, Customer Service Department http://www.amazon.com -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 00:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0653OMo012856 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:03:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0652p2L029836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0652k0p081430; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0652WXM081310 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010605021701300t8ccqe>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:02:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:02:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501060001.15750.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Poor you. My local independent bookseller http://www.harvard.com (yes, they are independent, the university is harvard.edu) will special order it for you -- I've had my copy for a week. Use the "Search" box in the upper right corner of the home page, search on "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" or the ISBN, and you can order it online from them and they'll UPS it to you wherever you may be. The Web site is still listing it at $50 but they are only actually charging MSRP, which was 40-something, I forget. You can also negotiate with them at weborders@harvard.com. Support MY independent local bookseller if you can't support one of your own! ;-) Lauren > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > I just got this message from Amazon re: My Order from them of Gale > Owen-Crocker's updated "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" (personal order > information deleted). > > I suppose I shouldn't have expected any better from Amazon. :-( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 01:19:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066JBrm014036 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j066II2L004122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066I8vG018688; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav42.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066I6Gb018633 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:18:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV42.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:17:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337):your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:17:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:17:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 06:18:00.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[78CDE260:01C4F3B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j066JBrm014036 Status: RO Or you could order it from your SCA merchant who has it in stock (at least today - this weekend is 12th Night and they may all get sold.) The suggested retail price is $50, which is what I charge. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 06:17:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BHUsK018112 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06BGa2L018048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BGPMp059531; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BGLdf059498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE212154003A; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:16:49 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06BGqFM097846 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:22:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher In-Reply-To: References: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-14B6425B X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Favour Your Excellency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings Gentle Excellency, I hope you had a lovely yule and that Santa (in whatever guise :) was generous. I have enjoyed greatly your contributions to the h-costume list and was wondering if you would mind bringing the Goubitz (sp?) shoe book to Twelfth Night, that i might peruse it and decide if I need a copy for my research on children. If you would be so kind I would truly grateful. Looking forward to seeing you this weekend, I remain, at your service, Melissa Kendal -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 07:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Co39Y012687 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Cn22L021553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CmsNM001137; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Cmkp3000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06DuSSL022272 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:56:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:08:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: > Poor you. I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. > My local independent bookseller http://www.harvard.com (yes, they > are independent, the university is harvard.edu) will special order it for > you -- I've had my copy for a week. Use the "Search" box in the upper right > corner of the home page, search on "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" or the > ISBN, and you can order it online from them and they'll UPS it to you > wherever you may be. The Web site is still listing it at $50 but they are > only actually charging MSRP, which was 40-something, I forget. You can also > negotiate with them at weborders@harvard.com. I know. However, amazon.com is offering it for $31.50 plus shipping, which still beats the price at the other booksellers where I can find it, and I have a $10 gift certificate for Amazon to apply to boot. :-) > > > Support MY independent local bookseller if you can't support one of your > own! ;-) I have my own independent bookseller, from whom I bought "Woven Into the Earth" in December, which is what I usually do. ;-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 07:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CvuLk012769 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06CvJ2L021977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:57:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CvGFl005126; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:57:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ColPF001863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06DwQTQ022474 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:58:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337):your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:10:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060810.21761.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 1:17 am, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > Or you could order it from your SCA merchant who has it in stock (at least > today - this weekend is 12th Night and they may all get sold.) The > suggested retail price is $50, which is what I charge. See my reply to Lauren. I'm fine, believe me. I was just making a point about why I rarely buy from Amazon. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:08:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D8pwq012924 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06D6r2L022420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D6EWF009698; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D6Bxx009618 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7E021F9003A; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:06:40 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06D6gFM098066 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106051022.048a02c0@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:11:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Favour Your Excellency In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> References: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1AC51EFD X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My apologies all, That was supposed to be a private email. Just proves always double check before you hit the send button. Blushing, Melissa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DC0Bf012958 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06DBB2L023164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DBBNq013569; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DB7m9013442 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A8E23ED30020; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:10:58 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 13:10:57 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c4f3f1$426500c0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050105102301.03314908@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:11:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The piping is one good addition. The other major difference that I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > > >If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit > >easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a > >good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. > > I find that the common pattern companies produce easy to follow patterns > that can be tweaked toward more authentic construction and detail. And you > can't beat the price or availability. I got one of these patterns, and > added piping where the originals I looked at had it, and ended up with a > pretty good result. I avoided getting several other of these patterns > because they would have required too much modification to make them look > like the originals I looked at. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:24:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DOn2E013172 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:24:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06DLn2L023640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DLfw6018478; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DLdM5018403 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB5E3F0D0020; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:21:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 13:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c4f3f2$bcaff5a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:22:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the scenes in some other time and place. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Marketplace > > In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: Marketplaceindia.org > sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes from India while supporting > economic development for disadvantaged women in India. > > Or, to give you their own version: "MarketPlace: Handwork of India is a > not-for-profit organization, which supports economic development for > disadvantaged women in India. MarketPlace eschews the charity-based aid > model, believing that it is better to give the artisans the opportunity to > build their own viable and sustainable businesses. Through > MarketPlace-supported programs the artisans receive training and education > to help them set up and manage their own cooperatives. They also benefit > from programs designed to encourage their personal growth as > self-sufficient, self-confident and self-respecting women who > are working to improve their lives, their families' futures, and their > communities. MarketPlace is proud to market in the U.S. the products made by > these women " > > As for their stuff, well, if you love fabric and you love costume, you'll > find something to love there. I must say I find their Web site a little > annoying; request the paper catalog so you can look at the styles and > fabrics without having to know the names of each dress. > > Enjoy! > Lauren > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 10:02:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F2NIC013987 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06F1W2L029811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F17bb071671; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F12OF071571 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:00:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979264F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste thread-index: AcTz74RRnlzGI7nBT1W2vpi2nhyzYwAEJHtg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to "tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your mother.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 10:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FK6ns014085 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06FJK2L003570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FJF4s083286; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vienna (pool-70-19-239-201.bos.east.verizon.net [70.19.239.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FJBED083180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cedar@interlog.com) Received: from cedar by vienna with local (Exim 4.41) id 1CmZPm-0006e8-56 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:19:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:19:06 -0500 From: Christine Robb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Message-ID: <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> Mail-Followup-To: Christine Robb , Historical Costume References: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:08:23AM -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. It must be hit and miss, as my husband ordered it for me for Christmas from Amazon, and we received it December 20th. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GJksF014532 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GDc2L018298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GDV5B020261; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GDSFm020133 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ba.68aa05d4 (26116) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/6/2005 8:11:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the > shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes > trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will > re set that line to a more proper set. as well as making it dropped about 2". Some sleeve heads have no rise at all the sleeve is dropped so much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GJkTh014531 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GIl2L019469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GIiCM024506; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06GDb6I020279 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA74268AUFHVSA for (sender ); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqNAy8OYDah6bRkr693iZ8juQHxRK5v6DA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KGN3TVCR; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:12:20 PST Received: from [4.158.153.32] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:11:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.153.32] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:11:48 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2896321495 X-MAIL-INFO: 466d7d3441d0496d6541e06419cdad7d006480ad45a065ad29e0c9e595e55904697471e5493049c07561b06925754d71a469304dd145214df5edb18d448d35790995e18db514b5b43d708509a13d99e105091499cda5c4d09459a4446d19f4fdb9cd7134649d61c90510cdc0400045003020ed30208db4208db4c051e074e98015e115bd0c25712d150d35a450145099d5d099d5f494d5f4707db96dc5cdfdc59d9dcd41fd4141f9dd503df401a0518029c080e0e029e5c0e5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather (shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress according to her standards. Karen (in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) -- Teddy wrote: > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to "tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your mother.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GY2S0014619 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GXG2L021898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GXCEp035530; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GX9Ie035484 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9W00EXRLZ925@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.109]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: Historical Costume Message-id: <87fdeb880e40.880e4087fdeb@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And of course - most 21st C patterns assume that the person wearing them is/are wearing 21st C undergarments. I once tried on a dress made from 21st C pattern - over - my period undergarments... LOL!!! nothing fit, nothing set right, and there was a lot of extra in the 'busom' area. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > The other major difference that > I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on > top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I > sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front > shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GbCCl014630 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GaW2L022280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GaVgw038310; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06GY2IU036197 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:33:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:31:48 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979264F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx .ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:00 06/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. My mother used to complain about my cleavage and short skirts, in spite of the fact that I was a married woman, and my husband approved. Then she complained about my long skirts. You can't win with mothers. She could always make me feel I should get her approval, even when I was in my 50's!! Now I find myself telling my son what he should do - he's 27!! Bad Mom!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HKNXr014933 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HJH2L027835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HIvDN072128; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HIsbo072097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-124.sonic.net [209.148.114.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06HIqrn018876 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41DD72FF.9070905@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:18:55 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The retro clothes I have been buying are those little fur shoulder stoles from the 1960s. Mostly mink and fox originals, though I have bought one modern rabbit "leopard" stole in that style. Perfect for a small person and for a climate that's too warm for much fur. I've also bought three long, straight stoles, possibly from the 1970s? This is not retro, but there is a site called www.charitysalesonline.org based in Nepal that I think benefits Unicef (I found out earlier but forgot). Their knitted cashmere turtleneck ponchos are very nice. They knit them in white, and you have a choice of 140 colors. I went for their two-poncho discount and got one in dark moss green and one in rust brown. Their sales rep is a very nice English-speaking guy who calls himself Theo (Anglicized name). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HcEj6015114 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:38:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HYT2L029286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYPid084531; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYDRp084285 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A35F259D0040; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 17:20:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4f414$1fcbf500$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:21:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This indeed describes my machinations! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > In a message dated 1/6/2005 8:11:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > > Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the > > shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes > > trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will > > re set that line to a more proper set. > > as well as making it dropped about 2". Some sleeve heads have no rise at all > the sleeve is dropped so much. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hde2D015138 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HdC2L029739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HcbKn087828; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYHUQ084333 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A5392E0C0058; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:28:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 17:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f415$3a110120$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87fdeb880e40.880e4087fdeb@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:29:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO This is so true. At Christmas time I had occasion to try to alter a late 18th gown to be shaped by a Ren. corset and the results were just awful! Go figure.... The gig was a last minute body replacement for a house tour; the body also was sporting a D-cup. The body was pleased but I wasn't. Alas, we went with PlanB. And of course, if she wanted to do 19th C, well forget it. Some feel that a corset is a corset. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > And of course - most 21st C patterns assume that the person wearing them is/are wearing 21st C undergarments. > > I once tried on a dress made from 21st C pattern - over - my period undergarments... LOL!!! nothing fit, nothing set right, and there was a lot of extra in the 'busom' area. > > Katheryne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lloyd Mitchell > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > > > The other major difference that > > I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on > > top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I > > sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front > > shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:53:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hr07E015260 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HqF2L001093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HqAKL098825; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hq76c098757 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24569 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41DD72FF.9070905@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. For instance, we don't see much in patterns for the bustle era, especially between 1870-1876 or 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. It is not considered beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat rear end is considered attractive. I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. Cindy Abel BTW: I did purchase through Amazon.com both volumes for the mid-bustle period: 1877-1882 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:00:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06I0Fuc015358 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:00:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HxP2L002539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HxJsC005831; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hume8003189 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010617564101400gcto1e>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:56:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:56:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c4f3f2$bcaff5a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Kathleen, I didn't think you sounded like a "lloyd"! ;-) It's true that the Marketplace clothes evoke some other time and place, one half-magical and half-historic. How I've handled the expense is to convince my mother that they are my favorite presents; since she now shops entirely by mail-order, and shares my do-gooder tendencies, she's delighted to dispatch my birthday with a Marketplace dress or kurta every year. And as the great thing about unusual clothing is that, never being *in* fashion they never go *out*, I just happily build my collection. I would like at some point to buy yard goods from them, too, but just haven't managed it yet. Lauren > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > > Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not > exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. > Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection > (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the > shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the > scenes in some other time and place. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:16:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IGraW015578 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IDb2L004199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IDSHK017193; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IDOXH017130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-124.sonic.net [209.148.114.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06IDMFb021122 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:13:23 -0800 Message-ID: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:13:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cindy Abel wrote: > Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods >get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. > > What periods _are_ people wanting patterns for these days? >\I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and >plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and >rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, >cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. > > > Of course. BTW, if anyone is interested in anecdotal type evidence, my-brother-the-New-York-lawyer said (during Christmas vacation) that the fashion models he knows get their molars pulled out to achieve those hollow cheeks. He says he knows several who have done it and they are "regular" models (whatever that means) not supermodels. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IIa7q015596 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IGx2L004567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IGx1Q020185; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IE4MU017573 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010618135801400gdse9e>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:13:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:13:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: >> Poor you. > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. No, but it IS unfortunate when you're waiting for a book to get a delay notice. I think more things sound like sarcasm on e-mail than are intended; I was just commiserating. On the other hand, whenever a company that sucks is trying to establish a monopoly and drive its competition out of business, I really try hard to support alternatives and encourage other folks to support alternatives so that the alternatives have a better shot at continuing to exist. I don't want Amazon to be my only choice. If you usually buy from your local independent bookseller, too, then good on you. Enjoy your Amazon gift certificate. But when considering the general unreliability and frustrating nature of Amazon it is worth considering also that it may be worth a couple of bucks to get relaible, un-frustrating service, and maybe even worth a couple of bucks to keep the reliable and un-frustrating service provider in business. Historical costumers rely so heavily on small-niche vendors that I feel an obligation, where I can, to spend my dollars with those vendors even when they don't provide the very best deal. I can't always afford to -- but I try. It's like paying a little extra to buy my Indian block print dresses from Marketplace -- I love Indian prints, and at least this way I know they're not being made by child labor for starvation wages. It's always a trade-off, but I try to be conscious of the decision each time I make it. Besides, my local independent gives me a 20% discount on next purchase for every $100 I spend, and there wasn't any shipping (so no wait and no charge) and so I got Dress in Anglo Saxon England for $40, and had a great little conversation with the clerk about other books he's gotten from Boydell. Climbing off soapbox and back under rock now. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:25:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IPL1C015647 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IMm2L005286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IMdrs024841; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IMXv5024748 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so12733rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GzaCLxYc7R8LwgeZ/PQ74lz/9Q6f06BopRHWbg1Ff1jyOrVWXpZ24np+T7lCXGNjACFKDYhg1ZMi5lWdEwOVTFRJn9t5d4uKgbrUtuX3SjvzxQLcPsibJrxLSbnqA6BMoYd4qZtiHQLbOD288CXYd/JP0HG9QVdImOlEpdGVnvs= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr40677rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010610224b88ddef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:22:30 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > BTW, if anyone is interested in anecdotal type evidence, > my-brother-the-New-York-lawyer said (during Christmas vacation) that > the fashion models he knows get their molars pulled out to achieve those > hollow cheeks. He says he knows several who have done it and they are > "regular" models (whatever that means) not supermodels. > > Fran > Lavolta Press "Regular" simply means they tend to do magazine ads and bit parts on commercials. They don't do fashion shows (unless it's for the schools or trade shows) and you won't see them in places like Victoria's secret. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:30:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IUf4G015688 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06ISI2L005930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ISFjb029260; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IOooU026509 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 792231387B6; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust204.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.204]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E54211387F6 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <044901c4f41d$119dce00$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:25:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a similar organization that Christians on the list might be interested in: http://www.ChristianFreedom.org They have the same philosophy as marketplaceindia.org, namely that it's better for people in need to have an opportunity to provide for their own families rather than becoming dependant on charity. As an added punch for me, some of these people aren't allowed to buy or sell at all within their own countries, so this truly is their only chance. Not much in the way of clothing, but some great accessories and home items, some of which can be converted to historical use--for example, handwoven scarves, handmade baskets, wooden plates, etcetc. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ImLRw015802 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IjG2L007723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Ij9V2042565; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p01m170.mxlogic.net (p01m170.mxlogic.net [216.173.230.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06IipCL042266 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p01m170.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.5.0-63) with SMTP id f278dd14.2147728304.29080.p01m170.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10122 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.8) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC106C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Big Historical Doings Thread-Index: AcT0H2kQ7+32VmSwQEahmDEV40EQaQAAAp/w From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 18:43:11.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[92782F50:01C4F41F] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: Big Historical Doings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j06ImLRw015802 Status: RO Oops! Forgot to forward to H-Costume! Bad Kate, no beads! K. > ______________________________________________ > > Hello, All! > > As I perused the local newsrag this morning, there appeared a note > about a huge gathering of historians in Seattle this weekend. For > those who are able, this might be a thing to look into. I've pulled > some specific seminar descriptions, dealing with things Medieval, but > there are TONS of other subjects listed, scattered the length and > breadth of human existence. Enjoy! > > Vilda/Kate/StitchWitch > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ACHA2.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH1.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA42.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH8.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA60.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA100.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH21.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH22.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH27.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ACHA10.cfm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IuNwL015851 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IsN2L008756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IsGqg049927; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Is1r4049684 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j06IrnPs023546 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:53:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:52:57 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600, "Cindy Abel" wrote: >Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods >get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. Not to mention, which styles of which eras get "recycled and updated". Remember the "peasant" styles and "prairie" styles of the early-to-mid 1970's? The revival of '50's music in the '70's, followed by a return of the flared, gored, "poodle" style of "crinoline" skirt ("crinoline" in this case being a gathered tulle petticoat) didn't in the early 1980's? The late 1980's/early 1990's post-"Dress for Success" style of "Power Suits" with 1940's-ish exaggerated shoulder pads and peplum jackets? (I'm sure the exaggerated shoulders of the costumes of _Dynasty_ characters "Krystle Carrington" and "Alexis Carrington Colby" didn't hurt!) And of course the "bell bottoms" and "flares" we wore in the 'sixties and 'seventies are now called "boot-cuts" ("boot-cut" to us meant tapered legs meant to be tucked into the tops of our Frye boots rather than worn over them), and "hip-huggers" are now called "low-rises"... >For instance, we don't see much in patterns for the bustle era, especially >between 1870-1876 or 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. >It is not considered beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat >rear end is considered attractive. Hmm... yet there's Sir Mix-a-Lot's "Baby Got Back" and so many women looking to get "J. Lo" butts... >I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and plastic >surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and rear-end >equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, cages, >and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. But of course! Has it ever been any different? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:59:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IxYGv015882 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IvN2L009145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IvLgV052411; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IseLH050325 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) Received: from user-38ldvoi.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.255.18]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CmcmN-0004VA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:54:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:55:35 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress >smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Katheryne responded: >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > >I thought I had the only one. > >She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans >and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) >GAG!!!! Well, i'm 55 and my mother *still* thinks i dress the way i do just to annoy her. I haven't lived with my parents since i was 15, and moved far away when i was 18. For example, i like to wear hats. My mother hates hats. Ergo, if i wear a hat it must just be to annoy her. Of course, i wear hats when i'm not around her. My entree into wearing hats had absolutely nothing to do with her. It came about from two experiences: (1) my boarding school required us to attend church, and back in the mid-60s women had to wear head coverings in church, so i had to get a few hats, and (2) i lived in the Chicago area, and on Sundays when blues clubs couldn't sell alcohol during the day, they opened so we suburban white kids could watch the great blues men (like Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf) play, so i got to see African-American women in their Sunday best wearing really *great* hats. Truly an inspiration. I've got hats from the 19-teens to the 1940s and some by new hat makers that are pretty strange, and i've picked up all the Vogue "Vintage" style hat patterns. Hats can be like little sculptures sitting on one's head. Another example: a while back i went to visit for a couple days (they had moved to Southern California and i'm in NoCal) and i brought clothes that made me happy and that i was comfortable in and that i thought looked good. We were going out to a nice pizza place for dinner. My mother actually said she would not be seen in public with me if i wore the dress i had on (Folkwear Afghani Dress, in 13 different light lavender cottons - definitely not a style or color she'd wear). I said i'd just stay behind and make my own dinner. My dad (now dead 7 years) kind of convinced her to allow me to go as i was. Nobody shunned us because of my odd clothing. Two days later i was out somewhere with my brother, wearing the same dress. A total and complete stranger came up to me and told me how much she liked my dress. (shrug) A final example: I have butt length hair, and i now have grey at my temples. My mother keeps waiting for me to cut it off and dye it and set, ratt, and spray it. That's too much trouble for me. I'm really into low maintenance hair - and, besides, i'm cold a lot, and long hair helps keep me warm. I know - i had fashionably styled hair in the 1980s when i worked for entertainment industry accountants in LA, and i was cold in the air conditioning with barely shoulder length hair. However, since the world revolves around my mother, naturally anything i do she disapproves of, i must be doing because of her. I guess she thinks when i'm away from her i have short hair, and wear lots of makeup and navy blue pantsuits. Anahita (i'm not attacking short hair or navy blue pantsuits if they are someone's own choice, they're just not mine - and i do wear makeup, especially when i'm going to a Goth club to dance) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 14:20:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JKF1v016152 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06JJU2L011765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JJPeO069983; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:lagJ5pX5K2JkU/bkigZ7o2F3nkusxR/U@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JJKG0069922 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j06JJIbZ014812 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 Received: from dci012034014071.discovery.com ([12.34.14.71]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne responded: >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > >I thought I had the only one. These stories are too funny! Do you kow why parents are so good at pushing our buttons? Because they put them there. I also got reactions as if I was dressing to annoy my mother. I think it's a common phase for all teenagers to wear things thier parents would disapprove of. Last time I was in an airport, though, I saw a few moms in jeans and tight tops that were not far off from what their daughters were wearing. I think many people go through the teenage phase and then switch to professional & casual clothes. Others maintain a personal style. My mother hates the leather jacket I wear, and I don't like it when she gives me clothes. Thankfully mail-order allows returns. Otherwise she's found better things to disagree with me about. I know it's been mentioned before, but for long hair I recommend The Long Hair Site (tlhs). -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 14:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JsXuv016549 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06JrS2L016633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JrIXo096621; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50401.mail.yahoo.com (web50401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06JrFen096519 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3083 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 19:53:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Kate, you're an evil evil woman.... Angharad / Wolfcat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 16:00:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06L0Dwd017202 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Kx92L023438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Kx1Uq048009; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Kwxia047943 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cmeie-000Bkc-74 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. I don't let my mother dictate what I wear, it's just I know she will comment on it and be tiresome. And she keeps asking when am I going to get my hair cut. (Not to mention what about grandchildren ;-) ) I never was much good at fashion, and as I've got older I have gained the confidence to just be comfortable and not bother. But I only see my parents two or three times a year, so my mother hasn't got used to it. My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the first ones out of the cupboard. Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? Thanks again for your solidarity. Jean "seamstrix@juno.com" wrote > >I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and >capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's >not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather >(shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter >coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother >needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if >your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother >hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments >about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to >please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of >discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't >need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her >decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress >according to her standards. > > > >Karen >(in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) > > >-- Teddy wrote: > >> Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly >> and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > >Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her >set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she >let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? > >The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. > >If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to >"tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd >suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your >mother.... > >Teddy > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. >Now includes pop-up blocker! >Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 16:29:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06LT6m8017498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06LSF2L026507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06LS9rR070916; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06LS4KJ070851 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99475 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 21:28:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0YG9FexOl/xY3S2erMkGxSNr5g4WmjSsBPCD8mlrbu4BvTWWihJMFPoaFQRNva6W2VWvu4q+h7bZ7ItauZz4y5h3Nut1OZbtQ9YJG1Y35uqk0aMQ0kk3Za9hXFvvwN/KT42UAgJhVw+jJANm0pNlms3HYqhzI0w8bgbMiSMrfA4= ; Message-ID: <20050106212801.99473.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:28:01 PST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think so...I spend more time on costuming and finding the right fabrics/trims than I EVER have on regular clothes (and I work in a big Pharm Company) It can be interesting at times :) Chris G. Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? Thanks again for your solidarity. Jean "seamstrix@juno.com" wrote > >I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and >capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's >not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather >(shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter >coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother >needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if >your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother >hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments >about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to >please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of >discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't >need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her >decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress >according to her standards. > > > >Karen >(in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) > > >-- Teddy wrote: > >> Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly >> and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > >Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her >set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she >let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? > >The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. > >If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to >"tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd >suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your >mother.... > >Teddy > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. >Now includes pop-up blocker! >Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:02:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M2V6N017864 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:02:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06M1Z2L000416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M1M5c096757; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M1ErL096645 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7992D19210A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.36]) by filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28723-13-86 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379D31920D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoted: Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. > Not to mention, which styles of which eras get "recycled and updated". > Remember the "peasant" styles and "prairie" styles of the early-to-mid > 1970's? The revival of '50's music in the '70's, followed by a return > of the flared, gored, "poodle" style of "crinoline" skirt ("crinoline" > in this case being a gathered tulle petticoat) didn't in the early > 1980's? The late 1980's/early 1990's post-"Dress for Success" style of > "Power Suits" with 1940's-ish exaggerated shoulder pads and peplum > jackets? (I'm sure the exaggerated shoulders of the costumes of > _Dynasty_ characters "Krystle Carrington" and "Alexis Carrington > Colby" didn't hurt!) And of course the "bell bottoms" and "flares" we > wore in the 'sixties and 'seventies are now called "boot-cuts" > ("boot-cut" to us meant tapered legs meant to be tucked into the tops > of our Frye boots rather than worn over them), and "hip-huggers" are > now called "low-rises"... > (snipped) I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave us. Rowena, Aethelmearc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MAtcr017927 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MA32L001261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M9aUd002764; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M9Hdf002489 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.166.126]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050106220912.GHNO1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c4f43b$f60e5a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050106212801.99473.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:06:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think so. I have been stuck wearing uniforms of some kind or another for many years now, and my first inclination is to run screaming in the other direction the second I get home. :-) I want to wear whatever tickles my fancy and what makes me feel good at the time. I also tend to think there is a big difference between 'fashion' and 'style', you can be very classy and stylish without being fashionable. A well put together outfit is a well put together outfit regardless of what the current fashion may be, and if it suits you and looks good on you, its a winner. Just my two bits, Sheridan > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? > > Thanks again for your solidarity. > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:15:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MFOdI017970 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:15:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MDg2L001661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MDaf9005823; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MBMNK004083 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so57459rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:11:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oSeC0M4yEyUQx8vmnxC+C9N8184t/1gHe2+ls1QN1uINK1BjJAoW0WVZIKZAOw5JPGN1j54uoqXh4Xei2GMx1DdwDAUYnyVewZHae4EWDE1HmJCbgpLio5vuVYVscTdiQXYUU55p58OM7vEJ7B9cj0FtoDUgCPEuMCg48lAKtno= Received: by 10.38.74.60 with SMTP id w60mr193816rna; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:11:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:11:21 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the > ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't > FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about > EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. > Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave > us. Rowena, Aethelmearc If you make enough on the old ones replace them with new ones. http://snipurl.com/bts8 http://bootmaster.com/fryeboots.html ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mc56Q018131 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MbB2L004598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mb6mY024042; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mb11J023898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010B91CDD07 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 01096-07 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 689761CDD83 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. Far from alone! I love my hippie hair. I'm 41 and right now it's the longest it has ever been--it reaches to the bottom of my butt. And it has TONS of grey. I color it when I feel like it. If I don't feel like it, I don't color it. > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? Again, not at all==but I have found myself yearning to make things like linen pants and silk shirts. (Maybe green linen pants and a red silk shirt! lol) Perhaps we are just interested in GOOD clothing in general, rather than the off the rack crap! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 18:51:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06NpeY5018811 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Njn2L011942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Njext073246; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06NjbIL073192 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3c032009 (16930) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 EST Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Never mind, Jean, you can't win anyway! - Nige's mum still thinks he should have a short back and sides, and that I should dress her age, not mine (70s not 20s). Stark contrast to my own mother, who I'm sure would only be happy if I dressed as a pole dancer! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 19:14:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070EMaT019048 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j070Da2L015138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070DXfl091166; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070DSxG091126 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so76732rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FTut19/p2VLxiEsfEUkutrqz/jvxtV+w2AE7/fIUeP3VymUVJtpPDsab2/qnyMYvauM7BFOK+3s9NqAdE6ocaYuyB3UJ/UDgKF4WH3+2rwPLRiZF2XtHZGqVWZAenREfj/w8CDiL5NrQ0+TSnN+iQAvjFePghW9nTgcB8x37or0= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr209846rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010616136ff3cc3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:13:28 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 EST, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > Never mind, Jean, you can't win anyway! - Nige's mum still thinks he should > have a short back and sides, and that I should dress her age, not mine (70s not > 20s). Stark contrast to my own mother, who I'm sure would only be happy if I > dressed as a pole dancer! That's my grandad's girlfriend. She's in her early 60's (and I'll admit looks only in her 40's) dresses IMO like a stripper. She tries to push it off on me (who does EGL for the most part) and while she's ok shoving her buxom self into spandex I'm not that great with it. She does however have enough genuine good taste that her clothing gifts are more than welcome. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 19:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070fBNM019418 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:41:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j070eb2L017965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070eVf8006733; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070eOwZ006670 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4766E10175 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.35]) by filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01216-20-16 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFED6FF67 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, those were NOT where I should have gone looking. Now I'm really really wanting some. I'll go stare at the new roof I had to have put on the side part of the house. Jacqueline Johnson wrote: >On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > > >>I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the >>ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't >>FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about >>EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. >>Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave >>us. Rowena, Aethelmearc >> >> > > > >If you make enough on the old ones replace them with new ones. >http://snipurl.com/bts8 >http://bootmaster.com/fryeboots.html > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:06:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0716Sja019713 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0715g2L020360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0715aJG019655; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0715YoP019638 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so83729rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=F8WxUzgrLgwmVWeTPnhaiVYZv3+ucgEzoyHwO07DAQL83PLAXKwTVksid7r7d7bsxBzi9JJ6xPLqmZXM6uufNVBhRFc2wdiR7JCLxS76BIYvRSkTSYln0jn5ZV7NFUJBaa/sRxpryEzHYuf0jeeW3Nwz8V1O9dBtSEdKd47ngTM= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr232130rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010617052c6ad9c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:05:32 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > Oh, those were NOT where I should have gone looking. Now I'm really > really wanting some. > I'll go stare at the new roof I had to have put on the side part of the > house. I feel no guilt. A new roof doesn't make your feet look cute. *eg* -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071HuBi019787 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071HA2L021281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071H6La025304; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Gi61025099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j072OXMS012066; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:24:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Christine Robb , Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:36:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> In-Reply-To: <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062036.28138.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 10:19 am, Christine Robb wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:08:23AM -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. > > It must be hit and miss, as my husband ordered it for me for Christmas > from Amazon, and we received it December 20th. He must have ordered it before Nov. 25 (which is when I did). I vaguely remember that I was seeing it posted on Amazon as available just before I finally decided to order it. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:31:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071VeO9019858 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071V32L022258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Uxnx032181; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Uv0J032073 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A64B44B5008C; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:30:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c4f458$9eb555c0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, but what do you make of the present butt enhancers? It would seem that there are some people out there that would give anything for a more shapely derriere. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste > > > Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods > get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. For instance, we don't see > much in patterns for the bustle era, especially between 1870-1876 or > 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. It is not considered > beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat rear end is considered > attractive. I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and > plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and > rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, > cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. > > Cindy Abel > > BTW: I did purchase through Amazon.com both volumes for the mid-bustle > period: 1877-1882 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071cLM3019910 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071bi2L023033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071bZ1d035869; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Xg2Q033696 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j071V4t06323 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:31:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41DDE81B.3050602@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:38:35 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dunno if it's weird or not, but it seems perfectly natural to me! (I'm very much the same way.) And my sister's much better with fashion anything than I.... --sue Jean Waddie wrote: > My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her > t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the > first ones out of the cupboard. > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? > > Thanks again for your solidarity. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071fcg1019940 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071f42L023292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071f1WZ037684; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071c1c6036052 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A7F24C22009C; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:37:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c4f459$9b593d00$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:38:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been looking at the yard goods too...After the recent Boston trip, I have decided that what I like too about the style is that indeed they do not go*out*! Two of my favorites are full length coats. In this Pa. climate, I find them the right buffer from the cold. They are, afterall, triple layered cotton. And just the thing to wear over the sangli or other long dresses. Kathleen (And I have been thinking that my husband could use a nice block printed shirt!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace > Hi, Kathleen, > I didn't think you sounded like a "lloyd"! ;-) It's true that the > Marketplace clothes evoke some other time and place, one half-magical and > half-historic. How I've handled the expense is to convince my mother that > they are my favorite presents; since she now shops entirely by mail-order, > and shares my do-gooder tendencies, she's delighted to dispatch my birthday > with a Marketplace dress or kurta every year. And as the great thing about > unusual clothing is that, never being *in* fashion they never go *out*, I > just happily build my collection. I would like at some point to buy yard > goods from them, too, but just haven't managed it yet. > Lauren > > > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > > > > > Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not > > exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. > > Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection > > (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the > > shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the > > scenes in some other time and place. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071vNdt020014 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071uk2L024388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071ugxb045328; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071s04X043850 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABB227700040; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:53:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c4f45b$d71e3960$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:54:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The hair is what would always set my mother off...it should be very short (but feminine) and only natural color. From my 40's-50's she would ask if the color was real or enhanced. When I reminded her that she used Clariol in that time period, she would say"I never...". Now I hope I live long enough to sport the beautiful white halo she had in her 80's. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste > Jean Waddie wrote: > > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress > >smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > > Katheryne responded: > >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > > > >I thought I had the only one. > > > >She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans > >and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) > >GAG!!!! > > Well, i'm 55 and my mother *still* thinks i dress the way i do just > to annoy her. I haven't lived with my parents since i was 15, and > moved far away when i was 18. > > For example, i like to wear hats. My mother hates hats. Ergo, if i > wear a hat it must just be to annoy her. Of course, i wear hats when > i'm not around her. My entree into wearing hats had absolutely > nothing to do with her. It came about from two experiences: (1) my > boarding school required us to attend church, and back in the mid-60s > women had to wear head coverings in church, so i had to get a few > hats, and (2) i lived in the Chicago area, and on Sundays when blues > clubs couldn't sell alcohol during the day, they opened so we > suburban white kids could watch the great blues men (like Muddy > Waters and Howling Wolf) play, so i got to see African-American women > in their Sunday best wearing really *great* hats. Truly an > inspiration. I've got hats from the 19-teens to the 1940s and some by > new hat makers that are pretty strange, and i've picked up all the > Vogue "Vintage" style hat patterns. Hats can be like little > sculptures sitting on one's head. > > Another example: a while back i went to visit for a couple days (they > had moved to Southern California and i'm in NoCal) and i brought > clothes that made me happy and that i was comfortable in and that i > thought looked good. We were going out to a nice pizza place for > dinner. My mother actually said she would not be seen in public with > me if i wore the dress i had on (Folkwear Afghani Dress, in 13 > different light lavender cottons - definitely not a style or color > she'd wear). I said i'd just stay behind and make my own dinner. My > dad (now dead 7 years) kind of convinced her to allow me to go as i > was. Nobody shunned us because of my odd clothing. Two days later i > was out somewhere with my brother, wearing the same dress. A total > and complete stranger came up to me and told me how much she liked my > dress. (shrug) > > A final example: I have butt length hair, and i now have grey at my > temples. My mother keeps waiting for me to cut it off and dye it and > set, ratt, and spray it. That's too much trouble for me. I'm really > into low maintenance hair - and, besides, i'm cold a lot, and long > hair helps keep me warm. I know - i had fashionably styled hair in > the 1980s when i worked for entertainment industry accountants in LA, > and i was cold in the air conditioning with barely shoulder length > hair. > > However, since the world revolves around my mother, naturally > anything i do she disapproves of, i must be doing because of her. I > guess she thinks when i'm away from her i have short hair, and wear > lots of makeup and navy blue pantsuits. > > Anahita > > (i'm not attacking short hair or navy blue pantsuits if they are > someone's own choice, they're just not mine - and i do wear makeup, > especially when i'm going to a Goth club to dance) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 22:47:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073leEw020647 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:47:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073kS2L002669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073kFDK001659; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073kB6n001562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j074s0Ls016012 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:54:02 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:05:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062305.54232.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (was "Re: Your Order, etc.") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 1:13 pm, Lauren Walker wrote: > > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Poor you. [I said:] > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. [and Lauren replied:] > No, but it IS unfortunate when you're waiting for a book to get a delay > notice. I think more things sound like sarcasm on e-mail than are intended; > I was just commiserating. I didn't think you were being sarcastic; but I did fear that you were gently chiding me for whining (especially when I complained a little while ago on the list about not having the money to afford all the new costume books that I wanted. The raise I got at the end of December helped a lot in that regard. :-) ). > On the other hand, whenever a company that sucks is trying to establish a > monopoly and drive its competition out of business, I really try hard to > support alternatives and encourage other folks to support alternatives so > that the alternatives have a better shot at continuing to exist. I don't > want Amazon to be my only choice. Good. I agree with that. I always have. Amazon has simply never been effective for me as a costume book source; I went with them for the Anglo-Saxon book because they *were* selling it at such a good price *and* I had an Amazon gift certificate to further cut my actual out-of-pocket expense. > If you usually buy from your local > independent bookseller, too, then good on you. Ironically, she's not geographically all that local to me, but she sells at a lot of the science fiction conventions that I attend, and I consider her a friend. She also sells at some SCA events in the mid-Atlantic states. Her name is Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She does business as Poison Pen Press, and her website is http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html (shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) > Enjoy your Amazon gift > certificate. But when considering the general unreliability and frustrating > nature of Amazon it is worth considering also that it may be worth a couple > of bucks to get relaible, un-frustrating service, and maybe even worth a > couple of bucks to keep the reliable and un-frustrating service provider in > business. I agree. Of course, it's impossible for any vendor of costume history research to be completely reliable--for reasons entirely out of the vendor's control. I once ordered a costume book from a small business in the UK, waited for months, only to eventually be told that the shop could no longer get the book because it had already gone out of print. Poison Pen Press had the book. However, Devra had it for $40 more (i.e., total price over $100) than the British vendor. In addition, by the time I flipped through it, I realized that the book was not worth $100 to me (few illustrations, poor organization) so I didn't buy it. If it had been worthwhile, I would have. > Historical costumers rely so heavily on small-niche vendors that > I feel an obligation, where I can, to spend my dollars with those vendors > even when they don't provide the very best deal. I can't always afford to > -- but I try. I do when I can. Frankly, costume-related materials are one area where I usually find that the best deals come from small independents. And who knows? Amazon may wimp out and decide they can't or won't fill my order (it's happened to other people) and I may end up buying it from a niche vendor anyway. :-) > It's like paying a little extra to buy my Indian block print > dresses from Marketplace -- I love Indian prints, and at least this way I > know they're not being made by child labor for starvation wages. It's > always a trade-off, but I try to be conscious of the decision each time I > make it. I would love to purchase more from Marketplace, because I really like and respect their business model and their drive, but unfortunately I find a lot of their clothes ugly and off-putting. :-( > > Besides, my local independent gives me a 20% discount on next purchase for > every $100 I spend, and there wasn't any shipping (so no wait and no > charge) and so I got Dress in Anglo Saxon England for $40, and had a great > little conversation with the clerk about other books he's gotten from > Boydell. That's what I like to hear! Both sides are doing well by doing good; everybody wins. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 22:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073vUsM020680 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073ur2L003531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073uoxl007556; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073uklI007480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0754b9o016321 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:04:37 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:16:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062316.31329.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 2:19 pm, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Katheryne responded: > >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? [rest cut] Wow. I guess I never appreciated my good fortune in mothers before. My mother let me select my own clothes (at the time of purchase, not just picking outfits to wear every day) since I was about 8 years old. As it happened, usually she agreed with me. If she didn't, she'd try to talk me out of the purchase--but she would buy the item if I insisted. And when I started trying to make historic costume, she showed me how to use her sewing machine, and even helped me sew the tricky parts. She died of cancer ten years ago, and I still miss her good cheer, and her common sense. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 23:00:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0740H5h020697 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073xY2L003782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073xYZM009056; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073wL2b008349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0756BA1016366 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:06:11 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:18:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> In-Reply-To: <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062318.07230.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005