From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 01:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11623lD014611 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1161DZj021496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1160e1r009151; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1160UYC009026 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29542 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:11:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:11:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA25FA@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wrote, regarding the Tacuinum Sanitatus: > > It's worth noting that there are five surviving 14th c. copies (that I > > know of) of this book, and the text varies slightly, having been > > translated from Arabic into Italian at that time. Then, for the modern > > publications, it has been translated into English. So the descriptions > > differ, sometimes in crucial details. The original might have been > "linen > > layer" or just "linen under the wool" or any of a variety of things -- > > without checking the originals, I wouldn't know. I have several > > translations of several of the passages from a different source, but > don't > > remember offhand whether I have more than one translation of Wool. I > will > > look it up if people care, but not today. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > If it doesn't take too long, I would definitely be interested! Thank > you! Also, is there a published reference to the increase in period > references to lined garments in the 14th century -- I'd love to be > able to site something when I write up my documentation for the > outfit... :-) Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the increase in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," but I don't want to try locating the book, much less the reference, at this moment. It's a good read, and I don't feel guilty advising you to get it for yourself (ILL if it's not in your own library). Now, to the other matters. _The Medieval Health Handbook_, by Luisa Cogliati Arano (Braziller, 1976) is a lovely illustrated book summarizing the contents of five surviving illuminated copies of the Tacuinum Sanitatus. I use it mostly for the artwork (Northern Italian crossed with French in style) and a general guide to content. Some cautions on the translations: The texts of the medieval manuscripts were originally translated from an Arabic source into Latin (not Italian as I had above, sorry) perhaps in the 11th century. The entries (covering the health effects of various foods, herbs, activities etc.) were presented in tabular form in that Latin version. The illuminated manuscripts came much later; four were from about 1380-1400, one more post-1400; they contain an abbreviated version of the earlier Latin text, to accompany illustrations. More recently, two of the medieval books were translated to modern Italian for Arano's original publication, which included parts of other modern translations of the other three books. This was then all re-translated to English for the Braziller edition I have here. So I would not put a lot of effort into trying to tweeze out details of clothing terminology from a close reading; we can't be certain how much was subtly changed along the way. >From the Tacuinum of the Casanatense Library, Rome: Woolen clothing (vestis lanea): Nature: Warm and dry. Optimum: The thin kind from Flanders. Usefulness: It protects the body from cold and holds warmth. Dangers: It causes skin irritation. Neutralization of the Dangers: With thin linen clothing. >From the Tacuinum of Liege: Woolen clothing (vestis de lana): Nature: Warm and dry in the second degree. Optimum: That which is made from the very good wool from Flanders. Usefulness: It conducts heat. Dangers: It overheats. Neutralization of the Dangers: With linen clothing. The book doesn't give translations from the Paris or Vienna copies, and the Rouen copy doesn't include the woolen clothing entry. There are also entries for silk and linen. Another nice picture book, _The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti_ trans. by Judith Spencer, is a translation and facsimile of the Vienna manuscript. The translation, as with the book mentioned above, was made into another modern language (I'm not sure which) before Spencer translated it into English. It bills itself as a "free but faithful treatment" of the original work in which "the integrity of the text of the Vienna manuscript is preserved." That might be the case, or that might be double-speak for "we fixed it up but it's pretty much the general idea." Fact is, the Arano book does include some quotes from the Vienna manuscript, which are in itemized-list format like the ones quoted above, but the same passages are in rather beefed-up paragraph form in the Spencer book. So I wouldn't be quite sure which of the following paragraph were the translater's additions for purposes of creating more readable prose. Here, we have: Woolen clothes (vestis lanea): Clothes are suited to praeparatio aeri, or the adaptation of the climate to life, which is one of the seven things essential to good health. Clothes made of wool, whose nature is warm and dry, are beneficial in the winter to old people, life in northern regions, cold constitutions, all things that, of the four elements, correspond to water. These clothes, especially those in fine Flemish wool which are to be preferred, draw the inner heat from the body and keep it warm. The advantage of wool can also be a disadvantage: as too much warmth is harmful, wear a thin linen garment under the wool. I wouldn't read any of this as either supporting or denying the use of lining. I would, however, take it as fairly strong support for the use of a linen chemise or undergarment. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:16:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BGSuj015981 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:16:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BFJZj013126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BF9hC074837; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BF77R074735 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4B334400020; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:14:59 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Feb 05 11:14:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:15:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is sheepskin used for jackets, vests, hats, and heck, warm clothing. The garments are often made with the fur inside and the sueded leather outmost. Very trendy just now. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > The fur looks and feels just like a quality sherpa skin. But All > Synthetic! > > Since I'm sure that no one is skinning Sherpa mountain guides, this must > be something else -- what's sherpa? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in > love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: > http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BXLJJ016058 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BWjZj014102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BWgMG084638; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BWcXe084604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11BQ4ov022586 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:26:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:26:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:32:36 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org> <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > It is sheepskin used for jackets, vests, hats, and heck, warm clothing. The > garments are often made with the fur inside and the sueded leather outmost. > Very trendy just now. Oh! Faux "shearling." I understand, thanks! (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real shearling is vs. the various approximations.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:55:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BtmGn016157 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BtCZj015175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Bt9ee096664; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Bt6kH096545 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70AC100095 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-74.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-74.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.74]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 Message-ID: <1107258894.41ff6e0edde9c@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hollyrome vs. Rome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Them thar documentary makers won't fool me. Rome isn't really Rome without wristwatches, red sports cars and aircraft contrails, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:03:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11E3W0r016922 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:03:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11E2nZj003159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11E2dvd079772; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11D5Y3Q041615 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DF70262852 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:05:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:05:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11E64R4016937 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11E5RZj003372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11E5RNW081379; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Dd82t063023 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j11Dd6mi029576 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050201083743.021d1828@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:39:06 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131231945.0149d5b0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050131152226.021c3f90@postoffice8.mail.cornell .edu> <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> <200501311903.j0VJ2RsT032028@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Suzi... as far as I can tell, and I'm going by the OED, yes at this time it was a garment. Bridgette / Mari >Shakespeare makes Shylock say "...and spit upon my Jewish gabardine" in >"Merchant of Venice. Was it a garment at that time? > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EBdKo016976 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:11:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11EB5Zj003804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EB0Gl084924; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EAvgg084805 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j11E7qI29028 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:07:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41FF8F1E.7040608@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:15:58 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Robin, thanks heaps! I love this sort of thing! ;-D --sue, who wants to be a scholar instead of a dilletante when she eventually grows up, too..... Robin Netherton wrote: > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the increase > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards of Living > in the Later Middle Ages," but I don't want to try locating the book, much > less the reference, at this moment. It's a good read, and I don't feel > guilty advising you to get it for yourself (ILL if it's not in your own > library). > > Now, to the other matters. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EqTx5017130 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:52:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Ep5Zj009402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Eoumr011020; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11EnKvc009875 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41247 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 14:49:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PxtLCzemL0KBhIf3W6z5I4XvVm9X5Q2N9aLef3Kvu3GngL0Oag+rXNlkXALA6zdY2/3pYK93NZFTAvrjdkA17/XofnaLd6i/imYXTHtmXN/FXTdjyT094L0U3bh0r41TGvfG52vrTMkxO9iilo8IVySvKbWnCGyNx+YbAM6sVsc= ; Message-ID: <20050201144914.41245.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:49:14 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Bjarne, like everything else you do, it's BEAUTIFUL!!! You are such an inspiration to me. I can't wait to get home to work on my projects after seeing what you're creating. Thanks so much for sharing, Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:55:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EtH4o017146 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:55:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11EsjZj010580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EscNV013667; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Ercue012663 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C71BEF12 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:53:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FF97E5.8010806@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:53:25 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks great!! I love the colour combination! And the embroidery for the purse is so sweete. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse > for her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from > it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11F5aEr017189 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F3WZj012619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F3Slk020265; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11F3PVk020162 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA99GTMAXTLZ6J for (sender ); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:03:07 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgk6t6rSiFWeHsOJgXpnTOmU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KJRV6J9Q; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:02:26 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:46:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20050201.070200.272.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:267809679 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to be OT, but since you folks know the book--what time period does Dyer consider to be the "Later Middle Ages'? Thanks, Arlys > > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the > increase > > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards > of Living > > in the Later Middle Ages," _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:05:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11F5xFk017193 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F5HZl013055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EShBf095898; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11ESbiU095760 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 775AB13873D; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust154.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.154]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 47FC4138777 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:28:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:29:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" > (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real shearling > is vs. the various approximations.) Around $500 to $3000 or more? =} -E House (has several good sources for real shearling, and is starting to wish she hadn't sworn off sewing thick leather.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:10:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FA5xD017212 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F95Zj013597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F91O8024257; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:09:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F8xAt024168 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9B6BED6C for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:08:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:08:55 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? Or some white lace Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:13:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FD0hW017234 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FCNZj014372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FCM3E026863; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FCGLb026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11F5Wov024955 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:32 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:05:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FF9C44.7050503@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:12:04 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: >> (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real >> shearling is vs. the various approximations.) > > Around $500 to $3000 or more? For a coat, I suppose? Usually I tell them about it for bedroom slippers, which aren't nearly so pricey. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:14:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FE2tT017239 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FDJZj014622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FDI1v027636; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FDF47027515 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from generys@blazemail.com) Received: from pmta02.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B9340053 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQBKBEVB/5yGpv5O4wIAAAAB,f9d16cd633eed90715cbbde2120433f6 Received: from marketing3 (69.38.51.209 [69.38.51.209]) by pmta02.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY) with ESMTP id 4602D627 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:13:10 -0800 From: "Jennifer / Guenievre" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050201.070200.272.0.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUIb4Gu6JOUnlb1ScS3lfo+e8e40gAAO8qw Message-Id: <20050201151310.47B9340053@omta16.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The full title is Stnadards of Living in the Later Middle Ages: Social Change in England c. 1200-1520. Guenievre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:46 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' > > Sorry to be OT, but since you folks know the book--what time period does > Dyer consider to be the "Later Middle Ages'? > > Thanks, > Arlys > > > > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the > > increase > > > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards > > of Living > > > in the Later Middle Ages," > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FFoDC017254 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FFAZj015009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FF7n0029112; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:Y79OX2i2jHonNyHM16Jxjfg5MsmXo7KQ@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FF5dU029084 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j11FF4gc004955 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 Received: from dci012034013106.discovery.com ([12.34.13.106]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress >> for my niece for the mask ball. >> I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad >> stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. Dierdre write, > Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. > What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? > Or some white lace I like the color combination! It sounds like Bjarne is talking about using the same style lines as an earlier gown he made - I think it was pink or salmon with white pabels on either side of the gown and a white panel at the bottom of the petticoat. I recognized it from a fashion plate. Is there a reason not to do that, Dierdre - too much mixing of decades? I see it as a fantasy/interpretation with the bright pink fabric, so if it looks good... ? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FK8xw017286 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:20:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FJQZj015886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FJM7U032103; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FJJAw031977 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050201151910.EXPB20719.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c50871$e8ddbde0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050131153134.045c61c0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:22:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest retun. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] Q on selling books Things have gotten really tight here; I need to sell off some of my library to pay for basic needs such as food and rent. The books range from Lando Synge's _Art of Embroidery_ to the little pocket-style book, _Heaven in Art_, plus a couple of (probably OT) items such as _Wales: A History_... Any hints on where I'm best off listing a few items at the time for the least cost, and bringing in the largest return? Thanks in advance. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:47:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FlO9q017471 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FjUZj022422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:45:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FiaB8055600; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Fhf9i054797 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEF9BEFBF for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:43:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FFA3A9.5040605@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:43:37 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >>Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> >>>Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress >>>for my niece for the mask ball. >>>I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad >>>stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. >>> >>> > >Dierdre write, > > >>Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. >>What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? >>Or some white lace >> >> > > I like the color combination! It sounds like Bjarne is talking about >using the same style lines as an earlier gown he made - I think it >was pink or salmon with white pabels on either side of the gown and a >white panel at the bottom of the petticoat. I recognized it from a >fashion plate. > > Is there a reason not to do that, Dierdre - too much mixing of >decades? I see it as a fantasy/interpretation with the bright pink >fabric, so if it looks good... ? > > I think it wil make the dress look dark. With the pictures I saw with dresses that have such panels the dress fabrick is darker than that of the panels. But it is just my taste and not historically based. I love the way it is now but there is indeed stil something missing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 11:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11G2SZc017575 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11G0mZj027149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FxiLe068279; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FxB2J067811 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.113 ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050201155905014003c9mce>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:59:05 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.113; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:59:04 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:59:04 +0000 Message-Id: <020120051559.10081.41FFA748000726A10000276122007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, it is simply *stunning*! I had a full 10 seconds of after image! One of these days I'll be as good as you are.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Įtha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for > my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe > of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for > her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, > and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HEaQb018062 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HDwZj011060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HDmFE038440; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HD4fL037681 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 9E2DE204F6; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust50.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.50]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B0F92203DB for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:13:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025a01c50881$6256db70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org><024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41FF9C44.7050503@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" > For a coat, I suppose? Usually I tell them about it for bedroom slippers, > which aren't nearly so pricey. Yep, for a coat. And the amount the shearling fur itself would cost is more like 1/5 to 1/10 that... mmmm, profit. But oh so difficult to sew. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:20:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HKkGV018100 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HJrZj012075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HJniT043727; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HJljT043622 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12a.55f928b8 (25098) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.55f928b8.2f311426@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:19:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] horsehair supplys X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:28:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HSWuQ018173 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HRgZj013092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HRUsV050516; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HRKWR050256 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E462262833 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:27:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:27:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow in purple on the front bodice. Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it is so small. I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being in the opera. In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and some ostrich feathers............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HbbiI018221 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HakZj014219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HaYdV058275; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HaKVc057568 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j11HZV224157.; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:35:31 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:35:31 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:35:07 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Rome and film authenticity. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 31/01/2005 21:59:09 >>> >I was a bit bemused by the idea that it would be unexpected to have >lots of sex in something about Rome. I thought orgies all the way was >the standard version? Me, too - and what about paganism? Surely every schoolchild knows that the Romans worshipped Jupiter et al. and threw Christians to the lions? Anyone who's read Lindsey Davis's whodunits has a pretty good image of the underside of Roman life. They're meant as entertainment, not authentic history, but the background detail is very convincing. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17c reenactor _____________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HjKRp018249 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HicZj015218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hib05065196; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11HiY5T065142 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 31126 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 17:44:42 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:44:42 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1087.24.4.69.40.1107279873.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for > my niece for the mask ball. Bjarne, Have you ever thought about making a pattern to sell to others? I am having a 1700's corset made right now and then I plan on making a dress like the ones you make (you are SO inspiring!). I was thining how great it would be to have a copy of your pattern to use. And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high court dress. So, if I paid for it, would you sell me a pattern? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HjNFf018248 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HhiZj015068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hhe1f064320; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11HhdrE064214 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68844 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 17:43:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sB+SAzw8cU4ZJN5wPHpSz1X7+reDjiDr64fFnemUzNVQAS1NiV1xb8SM+tOBx3Xxb0tjpOADRJA9MC4ITM5mVijrxKtszDP15MgTrF2EZA3ElTHLYcku0Nn9HtrVkSHemvQ/nTWhJnbXZtl4PLG0Tem6YvUTykhNxWab3bgBRm8= ; Message-ID: <20050201174333.68842.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:43:33 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd opt for the smaller whilst in the opera and perhaps a change after? Chris Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow in purple on the front bodice. Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it is so small. I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being in the opera. In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and some ostrich feathers............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:53:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Hrpc8018330 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HrGZj016095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hr47E072197; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HqFFK071573 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.109] (pm7-109.eos.net [205.133.149.109]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j11HqCev028023 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:52:12 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:46:55 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200502011728.j11HSi19051583@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne's new work X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne!!! That is so beautiful! Those are the most enchanting sleeves I've ever seen!!!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:20:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11IKZBF018629 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:20:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IJTZj019665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IJLD5095334; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IJIaW095293 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03288 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:30:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:30:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books In-Reply-To: <005701c50871$e8ddbde0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Edith Reardon wrote: > I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The > cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest > retun. Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, though. To the original poster: For selling costume-related books (or art books that might be considered usable for costume research) we have a few swap-and-sell lists for costumers, and I wouldn't object to a pointer posted here saying you've put something up. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:28:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11ISTPM018697 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IRmZj020693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IRi5H002827; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11IRemf002749 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 30361 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 19:58:09 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.159.113.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.159.113) by shada.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 19:58:09 -0000 Message-ID: <41FFC4A0.5020704@oldwaylane.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:04:16 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11IWAbp018745 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:32:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IVEZj021303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IVDiH005790; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IVBeS005721 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D8021F41 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71D135 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03F077C0@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Thread-Index: AcUIZ56O97339NJGSk6An2wu55CkbAAJEKag From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 18:31:06.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[3174D0B0:01C5088C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j11IVBeS005721 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Robin! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Iggs0018819 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IfgZj024496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IfbVf014965; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IfX9X014853 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 349485EE04D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:41:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:41:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] selling pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Have you ever thought about making a pattern to sell to others? I am having a 1700's corset made right now and then I plan on making a dress like the ones you make (you are SO inspiring!). I was thining how great it would be to have a copy of your pattern to use. And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high court dress. So, if I paid for it, would you sell me a pattern? Diana. Dear Diana. I have never thoaght about this, strangely though, because i think there is a big demand for patterns for reenactors. It would be an obsion for me to make a small book with drawings of different costume types from 18th century and make accessories like bumrolls, corsets and panniers. But i would have to consult a drafter of patterns to make the different sizes right, i used to learn this, but it is so many years ago, and i never did this after, so i have forgotten to do it. This could be quite fun to make, strange i never thoaght about this. I usually make my own patterns by draping my dresstand. I have an eye to the cut from books, but i always use my own cuts. This anglaise dress i have made very authentic in cut, and the sewing tecknique two. Both underskirt and overskirt is pleated before it was attached to waistband/ bodice and stitched on by hand. The sleaves as you see, is very far behind in the back, wich they also used back in time, and it forses the wearer to pull the shoulders back. Stays helps with this. Diana wich size do you use? I would prefer the old european such as size 36- 38 etc. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 14:07:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11J7jAJ018980 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11J6nZj029926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J6dKU036009; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J64eR035446 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B9C1E5EE03F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:06:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003e01c50891$1f5f0c10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41F84B4B.9030502@in-tch.com><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net><002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <5.0.0.25.2.20050127040938.0118d9d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th c. pockets - embroidery question Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:06:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Danielle, I was a little surprised that nobody had answered your question. Most of my sources i have from pictures in books, and most of them dont get any specific in any blends of threads used. I think it is not that inportant if you must have a specific pocket embroidered with same blend of threads as you have. So long as it is wool or silk or both, it is quite fine. Costume Close Up from Williamsburg has a pair of pockets with pattern draft also of the embroidery, and the big Williamsburg book What Clothes Reveal has many differents photos of some. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. pockets - embroidery question > Greetings, > > While on the search for a good petticoat lining, I figured I would start > smaller, with a pair of embroidered pockets. I've looked through all of > my books and on-line and was wondering if anyone has a reference to any > embroidered in a silk/wool blended floss? I've seen either silk or wool > on their own but not together...I've got some gorgeous silk/wool floss in > natural dye colours kicking around my sewing room that seem perfect and > was hoping to be able to use it. Anyone? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 14:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11JB3tu019004 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:11:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11J9sZj001120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9qqb038649; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9ZH2038359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-27.sonic.net [209.148.114.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9V37032298 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:09:32 -0800 Message-ID: <41FFD3EA.6010606@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:09:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I should do a clearing out too, particularly of videotapes. One option: Get togther a list of the books (with pricing), put it on a web page, and tell all interested friends and email lists it's there. Which people seem to be already starting to do on h-costume. Another option: Ebay. For a book of any value, protect yourself with a reserve, as the price can depend entirely on one or two bidders. Another: Half.com, if it's in their database, and if I recall their database includes some pictures. Another: Amazon Marketplace, assuming the book is recent enough to be in their database. It does not have to be in print, they list OP books, but not really old ones. Again, their database includes some pictures. Advanced Book Exchange (ABE). They let anyone sign up, not just bookstores. I am not sure they even allow pictures, I never seem to see any for the books I buy from them. Alibris: Ditto. They have different terms & conditions from ABE, though. Obviously, you need to go over all their terms & conditions, weigh sale fees and listing fees and other fees against each other and see what deal is best for your situation. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Robin Netherton wrote: >On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Edith Reardon wrote: > > > >>I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The >>cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest >>retun. >> >> > >Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I >looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't >require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not >just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, >though. > >To the original poster: For selling costume-related books (or art books >that might be considered usable for costume research) we have a few >swap-and-sell lists for costumers, and I wouldn't object to a pointer >posted here saying you've put something up. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 15:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Kq5a1019638 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Kp3Zj014308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Kokq3022417; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11KnvZd021702 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cw4yA-0007fo-7e for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:48:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would go for both hats. It would be wonderful to have a really crazy big hat, but to still have something smart to wear when she takes it off. And a little tricorn would be very cute, and a good choice for not blocking other people's view. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote >Hi, >Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is >inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. >Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the >overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow >purple on the front bodice. >Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the >small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in >the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera >because it is so small. >I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when >being in the opera. >In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons >and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and >some ostrich feathers............. > >Bjarne > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 18:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Nl3uP020824 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11NkDZj003999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nk4IV072918; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nk1D1072751 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.11.3e02c597 (4568) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3e02c597.2f316eb0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:45:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/30/2005 7:11:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au writes: > So in short I can translate a picture > into a garment but only because I spend a lot of time looking at patterns > and I have enough spatial ability to understand how they fit together to > make a garment. > Please tell me I'm not alone in this? > You aren't alone. This "I can't make a flat piece of cloth into a cylinder around the body..." statement betrays a knowledge of what exactly is going on. Everyone here knows how to make a flat rectangle into a cylinder....you just bring two opposing sides together. Voila! Getting it to fit merely requires adding or subtracting fabric where needed [since no one....well hardly anyone...is a cylinder] There are only a few ways to do this. Slitting the cylinder and adding to it where needed and pinching it and taking it away where needed. Or dividing up the cylinder into sections and adding a bulge where needed and scooping in where needed. And combining the two methods. That's about it. The rest depends on the physics of the fabric being used. Yes, it can get very complicated but this is basically all that goes on in flat patterning. If you can grasp the basic concept and keep it in mind, you can understand what you see when you look at any group of pattern pieces for a bodice, tunic, sleeve, pants....all bulging and nipped cylinders. Some folks have an innate grasp of this, but it can be taught. It's not like having perfect pitch or something. Now the physics of fabric is another thing! Still basically all you need know is in woven fabric [as opposed to felted or knitted fabrics] is the straight of grain, warp or weft, will fall straight, and the bias will stretch and bulge out. This is either pronounced or diminished depending on how sturdy and tight or supple and loose the weave is. Again these are very general concepts and extensive experience with them will give you the instincts to predict what will happen. Of course everyone....even experts, run across the occasional exception. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 18:51:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Npmsq020865 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:51:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Np6Zj004637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11NouMf077489; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nn4tE075773 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A559291700D4; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:48:41 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.21]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:48:40 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:48:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c508b8$85be8ef0$15542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 23:48:41.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EB68C60:01C508B8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! What is the circumference on that skirt? I must know how much fabric it takes to get a beautiful sweep like that. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:06 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 19:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1200F8V020918 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11NxdZj005328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11NxXj4084017; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nx80x083680 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ee.346caaca (4568) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.346caaca.2f3171c2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:58:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:52:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, emeraldepona@yahoo.com writes: > finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > I love the intense color! Be sure to put some purple near the neckline to get the eye looking up there. Maybe even a yellow choker and a yellow rose in the hat! I mean....go for the color, Baby!!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 20:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j121O4Ys021887 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:24:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j121MpZj012982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121MdmM037641; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:FP1U/aKxST/6+mn7EBYi2PJBGKQ8n2t1@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121MaCO037557 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j121MPKs010809; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51263.64.156.242.51.1107307351.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] selling pattern From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana said, > And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress > available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high > court dress. In much of the 18thC, though, the basic cut of the gown did not change between working class and ballgown quality. The difference was in the type of fabric and the trimmings. So a gown pattern you can get now could be made for characters of several different economic classes. High court dress would have panniers and probably a train. There isn't as much need for this type of dress among reenactors. Those who want it either develop the skill or find someone to custom-make it. There are pattern drafts in several books (Janet Arnold, Nora Waugh, Blanche Payne and others) that can be blown up and fit to the individual person. Also for high court wear, the gown would fit the person. Very few people fit a comercial pattern exactly and adjustments would need to be made. An imperfect fit may work for a lower-class gown (could be a hand-me-down), but I don't think it would work for court wear. While Bjarne could make patterns, there actually are quite a few out there already. You could probably find one already to suit what you want to make. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 20:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j121fHQ4021988 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j121e8Zj014465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121e5Zk048036; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121e1Wr047910 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m82.in-tch.com [216.166.191.82]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j121awI06868 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:36:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4200309F.1000407@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:45:03 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Holy Toledo, Bjarne! That stuff is *REALLY* pink! 'Bout made my eyes bleed! The tailoring and construction look wonderful, as usual with you. Your niece is very lucky! I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping that you'll eventually post pictures of her wearing the gown. ;-) --Sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse > for her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from > it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 21:43:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j122hJUc022625 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:43:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j122gHZj018895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j122g7TA083663; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j122g4eC083609 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA27895; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:42:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: "E House" , "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:42:00 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.84 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for the info that you could offer me. My main problem has my costume books are very few. Although, I do have "QEWU". And would like to have "Fashion in Detail" or anyother excellent book on costuming. Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? Do you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 22:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j123t99v022946 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j123sKZj023295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j123s85M024542; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav14.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j123s5Sf024473 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 03:54:00.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41A3FF0:01C508DA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? Do > you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? Yes. You could have just tried, instead of having to wait for an answer to come back.... would have been faster... Unless you were asking to buy a repro? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 23:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j124EjuB023069 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j124DqZj024679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124DnCS035999; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124DkRb035932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j125NlIf023888 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:23:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:35:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502012335.44948.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 February 2005 12:27 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: [snip] > Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the > small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the > way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it > is so small. > I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being > in the opera. I like the idea of a small hat myself, but either would work well with the dress, I think. Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 23:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j124sr5r023192 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j124s5Zj027161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124s07v058128; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124rvMS058109 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.87] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwCWa-0002yO-Jp for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: <028a01c508e3$2c560340$57159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b8c4f505234a87f3e71e9a4343822e67e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.87 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Roscelin wrote: > Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? > Do > you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? If you're looking for the one by Giovanni Benedetto Castiglione, it's here, about halfway down the page: http://www.clemusart.com/provenance/prov_search.asp?artist=C If it's by another artist, you should specify who- more information is always a help. Also, I prefer altavista for image searches. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 01:05:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1265g1e023376 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:05:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1264cZj002252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1264T2F098678; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1264O3K098596 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050202060409.TQBE24143.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c508ed$85e25080$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41FFC4A0.5020704@oldwaylane.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:07:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wish I could buy books on half.com but they don't sell or let me list from Canada? Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 01:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j126BuPc023388 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j126BDZj002742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j126BAZi002282; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j126B7cn002266 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9710D3718A for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p353.socket.net [64.85.215.99]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA58BD4BC for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] horsehair supplys Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <12a.55f928b8.2f311426@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The only horse hair that I know of is horse tail hair and usually Crazy Crow carries it. http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=55 5-100-000 De -----Original Message----- hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 03:53:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j128rKk9018246 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j128qZZj013196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j128qPwH096270; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j128hdEV091040 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 86AF147FEDB for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:43:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c50903$42490240$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c508b8$85be8ef0$15542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:43:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress > Wow! What is the circumference on that skirt? I must know how much > fabric it takes to get a beautiful sweep like that. Hi. I have 3 widths of the fabric wich is 90 cm wide for the underskirt, and the same for the overskirt. 2,70 meter in all + the width of the purple taffeta. There is a bumroll under the skirt. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 08:13:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12DDxSH025189 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12DD9Zj005215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:13:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12DCNxp033876; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12DCI5b033800 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FC6B47FE6B for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:12:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c50928$db1363b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:12:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, only testing, i dont think my message got trough........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 09:29:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12ETXrl025658 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:29:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12EScZj015121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12ESSSe075232; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12ESOQY075178 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D17245EE074 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:28:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c50933$7f793880$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:28:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am sorry if you get this 2 times, the first post i sended didnt get trough. My dress is made in a size 38, my niece is a very slim girl and therefore you would have to adjust the pattern rather much to get into size 48 as you said. But i have uploaded 2 pictures of the cut of bodice and sleaves. Perhaps you could use it as a guideline........ http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Also your body shape like an hourglass figure would be pretty difficult to adjust.......... I didnt make any patterns for the skirts, although they are somewhat curved, i never make paper patterns for skirts, but uses the calico i have cut as pattern......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 10:36:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12FaASV026056 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:36:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12FXjZj020249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12FWruE017696; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound2.mail.tds.net (outbound2.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12FUhnh016184 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-8.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.8]) by outbound2.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id j12FUZUY029421 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:30:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:26:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: rics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Mens' Headware X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I have figured out the smock, and the embroidery for it. I've vanquished the doublet, sleeves and paned slops. I've even got a start on a properly "over the top" jerkin, to go over the doublet. But here's where I get confused. Hats. I've seen references to lovely, embroidered coifs (were they worn only by women, or were they worn by men as well? Were they worn only at night?) in Gostow's Blackwork book. And then there's the fabulous floppy hats, in some of the portraits. What I'm looking for is a website, book, or pattern, that would have patterns for the headwear, and how it was worn. I don't know why this particular aspect of Elizabethan clothing has me so baffled, but it does. Any help at all is deeply appreciated, and I figured if anyone knew of these resources, it would be here. Thank you so much, Bob Dorr--Robert of Stonemarche (SCA) --who is starting on his second pair of gloves, with properly embroidered cuffs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12G9nnW026334 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12G8RZj024306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12G8J2M046871; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12G8C1u046634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12G80f8013361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j12G8037013360; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MacBeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, do not yell at me, it was not my idea and the original costume designer is gone and I have to clean up the rest in less than two weeks before we open. He decided to make kilts for the male characters of MacBeth. Completely ignored that there were women in the cast that needed costumes too. Had no clue what historical was. I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is no budget left to fix that. The costume closet has nothing to help. But the upshot of this all is that there is a fabric closet. It is filled with donations from the community. Every discarded curtain set is in there and some other very nice things. This is community theater. There are three of us that are sewing what is left on the punch list to do. I am the only one that will be there every night until we open. My question is this. Given the amount of time I have what advise do you all experts have to help make this more presentable historically? If I did not give enough information please ask! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:29:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12GTLRG026401 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12GSeZj026606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GSBhb063398; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j12GS2Rc063201 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 16:27:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050202161905.0149dc88@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:25:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> References: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you have any designs that are even vaguely historical? (I once did wardrobe on a famous Macb*th for Peter Hall and Paul Scofield which was PVC and long shag pile carpet - I kid you not!!) How about plain kirtles with sideless surcoats, any combination of fabrics will do. Or plain half circle skirts and T shaped tunics in any fabric, fancy or plain, with plain coloured sashes across them. Lady M's sleep walking scene, she could wear just the kirtle. If you have any chance of getting Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" there are some simple styles in there would be ideal, if you can grade up patterns or drape. If it is any help, I worked with the Royal Shakespeare Company for some years - mail me off list for more detailed instructions if you want. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12GkWPJ026492 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12GjTZj028372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GjIac078140; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GiAeQ077080 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:42:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Mens' Headware Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:44:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 16:43:00.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[41D0C990:01C50946] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What I'm looking for is a website, book, or pattern, that would have > patterns for the headwear, and how it was worn. I don't know why this > particular aspect of Elizabethan clothing has me so baffled, but it does. Margo's Patterns (www.margospatterns.com) sells a package for accessories, including many styles of hats. There's also Lynn McMasters (www.lynnmcmasters.com) has many wonderful hat patterns. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:09:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12I9lBN027026 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12I8pZj007255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12I8aXn051501; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12I8WDr051354 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9.3cd3894d (2168) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:08:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO T-shaped tunics. They can be beautiful [I like a deep-ish pleat on the edge of the shoulder....makes a beautiful square-shaped "bodice" section] and work for men and women. They can be long or short, layered, split at the front, sides and or back. Full and dragging on the floor in rich fabrics, skimpy in distressed worn fabric. Forget the kilts. But you can use the tartans...maybe with overdying to give them a vegetable dyed look. In fact, dying and washing fabrics can make fabrics usable that you thought were not usable. Leather looks good too, but where to get it? Upholsterers often have usable scraps and if the color and texture of the right side of the leather is just not usable...the wrong side is usually just fine. Collars, belts, trims, hoods out of leather scraps can really look good. Ever see Polanski's version of MacBeth? The costumes are very simple and for the most part convincing. Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:34:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12IYAug027154 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12IXMZj010268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IXIJh074231; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IXFDM074076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12IX40D088541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j12IX44F088540; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <17876.165.236.184.195.1107369184.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> References: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have not seen it in a while but I seem to remember that there was a lot of studding of the tunics. I get the idea and I think I can make it work with tunics and draping the kilts on a shoulder .... hmmmm ... just might work. But the ladies dresses, I will have to work on that. AlbertCat@aol.com said: > T-shaped tunics. > > They can be beautiful [I like a deep-ish pleat on the edge of the > shoulder....makes a beautiful square-shaped "bodice" section] and > work for men and women. > They can be long or short, layered, split at the front, sides and or > back. > Full and dragging on the floor in rich fabrics, skimpy in distressed > worn > fabric. > Forget the kilts. But you can use the tartans...maybe with > overdying to give > them a vegetable dyed look. In fact, dying and washing fabrics can > make > fabrics usable that you thought were not usable. > > Leather looks good too, but where to get it? Upholsterers often have > usable > scraps and if the color and texture of the right side of the leather > is just > not usable...the wrong side is usually just fine. Collars, belts, > trims, hoods > out of leather scraps can really look good. > > Ever see Polanski's version of MacBeth? The costumes are very simple > and for > the most part convincing. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12ItXMc027248 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12IsjZj012550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IsfI5093533; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IiwL9084885 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d9.1f446962 (3988) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: ics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk Body=3 Fuz1=97 Fuz2=many X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/2005 1:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: > But the ladies dresses, I will have to work on that. > > A t-shape tunic will work for them too. They need to be long and full...which takes lots of fabric. Ah there's the rub [Ooops, wrong tragedy] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:20:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JKbH3027440 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JJIZj017511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:19:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JJ9dW015633; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12J1gSn099792 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:01:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:01:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:01:18 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Robin since I am a beginner and usually just lurk here, I see references to books I don't have all the time. For me and others like me it woul.d be nice that you listed books here with the prices you want you might sell quite a few of them without haveing to deal with otheres. thanks theresa >>> edieann@telus.net 2/2/2005 12:07:49 AM >>> I wish I could buy books on half.com but they don't sell or let me list from Canada? Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:25:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JPlSX027484 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JP5Zj018997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JP0wY020501; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JJvU3016199 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BCDE247FF07 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:19:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:19:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green stumpwork leaves................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:46:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JkdbE027589 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JjkZj024133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JjcBp037817; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JjW3k037694 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CwQR7-000FVw-8k for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:45:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:43:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooo! sounds glorious. The "head" bit of a hat is called the crown. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote >Hi, >Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material >and buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire >round the brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat >with a small "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, >sorry. >Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for >another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The >whole hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple >ribbon round the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big >stumpwork roses and green stumpwork leaves................... > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:50:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JorrX027634 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JoCZj024652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Jo8Bp041439; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Jo0Eo041291 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CwQVg-000GO4-8j for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:48:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did he get the kilts made? Is the director dead set on a medieval look? An alternative, if you have modern(ish) kilts and satins and taffeta, might be 1920s-30s? Jean Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote >Ok, do not yell at me, it was not my idea and the original costume >designer is gone and I have to clean up the rest in less than two >weeks before we open. > >He decided to make kilts for the male characters of MacBeth. >Completely ignored that there were women in the cast that needed >costumes too. Had no clue what historical was. > >I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of >attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is >no budget left to fix that. > >The costume closet has nothing to help. But the upshot of this all >is that there is a fabric closet. It is filled with donations from >the community. Every discarded curtain set is in there and some >other very nice things. > >This is community theater. There are three of us that are sewing >what is left on the punch list to do. I am the only one that will be >there every night until we open. > >My question is this. Given the amount of time I have what advise do >you all experts have to help make this more presentable >historically? > >If I did not give enough information please ask! :) > >Chiara >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 15:31:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12KVWsM027862 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12KUNZj029051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12KUCCO075320; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12KU8Pc075178 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV26.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:29:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com><6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> <41FE43BD.2000907@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:29:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:29:48 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 20:30:03.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9877C40:01C50965] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new cloth source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12KVWsM027862 Status: RO I thought I'd pass this along as I seem to remember past threads about the impossibility of getting cloth that had a medieval weave. Warning - expensive! http://www.lonejackfibers.com/?M=A Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LXZpf028367 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LWfZj005891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LWMxH028809; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LVZZd028055 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV32.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:29:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:29:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:29:17 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 21:30:03.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B5FBA60:01C5096E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric glossery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12LXZpf028367 Status: RO This e-mail is from an SCA list I am on and I thought some people here might be interested. The lady who put this together is a fabric merchant who sells at Pennsic in one of those little houses across from the barn. Janet Greetings to those of the populace who may be interested in medieval fabric names. I have an incomplete list of medieval fabric names on which I have been sporadically working. I thought it might be interesting to peruse and perhaps shed some light on a term or two. The list of books from which this information was gleaned is at the bottom of the glossary: http://www.classactfabrics.com/information/glossary.htm Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is complete or even accurate to the nth degree...its just what I've found in digging through the books I own. I would welcome facsimiles or scans of book/manuscript pages with more information of this sort too!! Just need to have it 'documented' ;) YIS Maria P -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LkwhF028436 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:46:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LkVZj007290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LjYo6038916; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Li8bB037681 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:43:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:43:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:43:07 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 21:44:01.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EA4D6A0:01C50970] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12LkwhF028436 Status: RO Using Half.com is fine for selling books if you are not in a hurry or have something highly desirable that you will sell for a reasonable price. The highly desirable things are often on the wish lists of a number of people so that as soon as your listing goes through, they will all be sent e-mails and your book can go in a couple hours. If you have ordinary things that already have a number of listings, you could wait several years before yours sold. It is fairly simple to set up. I have not had much luck selling books on Ebay, although I do buy some there. I couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up and a picture is very useful. If you set your price too high, no one will even start to bid on it and if it is too low, you could be unlucky and get less than your book is worth. As a buyer, I notice that I am most likely to get an underpriced bargain when something is mis-categorized or the seller doesn't use the most common buzzwords in the title, like the people who occasionally sell book of hours manuscript facsimiles under "religious books". Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LthPH028499 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:55:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LstZj008263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LqwLB045859; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LlNFi040670 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16919 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:30:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:30:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Theresa Threadgill wrote: > Hey Robin since I am a beginner and usually just lurk here, I see > references to books I don't have all the time. For me and others like > me it woul.d be nice that you listed books here with the prices you > want you might sell quite a few of them without haveing to deal with > otheres. I was speaking more generally, not just about books of interest to costumers. For those, I do agree that you can save a lot of effort and listing fees by going to this list first. So this seems to be the time to remind people of our two associated lists for selling costume-related items, including books: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ 42 members. Dawn is the listowner. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ 46 members. Danielle is the listowner. Not much activity on either, but then, as long as people are signed up, they'll see the messages when someone does post. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 17:14:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12MELab028597 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12MDbZj010445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12MDX3V064342; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12MDTI6064184 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4E533996 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B14533997 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:13:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c50974$6f179540$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:12:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shawls, stoles and patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought the good list might want to know we now have available gorgeous Merino wool shawls and stoles very appropriate for Regency wear, some of which are hand-embroidered. We also now have available the Regency line of patterns from Rocking Horse. All available through our secure, online catalogue. (URL in tagline) Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 20:28:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j131SnLu029533 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:28:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j131RlZj029501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j131RZBJ004126; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j131RTMu004004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:3911 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwVmD-0007vL-Lb for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:27:21 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j12MA6CF019607 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:10:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j12MA5XZ019606 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:10:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502022210.j12MA5XZ019606@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <028a01c508e3$2c560340$57159b04@HELENPINTO> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Also, I prefer altavista for image searches. > > -Helen/Aidan *wow* I thought that google image search was pretty dang perfect! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 22:33:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j133X9Uu030101 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j133WIZj009536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133W5in069606; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133W2eH069526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134g3ik016045 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:42:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:54:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502022254.00903.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 February 2005 2:19 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and > buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the > brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small > "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. I think the word you're looking for is "crown". > Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for > another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole > hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round > the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green > stumpwork leaves................... That sounds absolutely lovely! > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 22:45:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j133jl14030128 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j133idZj010353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133ia2N075711; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133iXoV075631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134scRI016212 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:54:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new cloth source Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:06:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502022306.36116.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 February 2005 3:29 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I thought I'd pass this along as I seem to remember past threads about the > impossibility of getting cloth that had a medieval weave. Warning - > expensive! http://www.lonejackfibers.com/?M=A Indeed, expensive! But perhaps worth it. Thanks for passing on the link. > -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 23:48:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134muJD030401 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j134m1Zj014465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j134lmgm007239; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j134ljP6007144 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A02425D5 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <42018E1E.2020401@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:36:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > > I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of > attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is > no budget left to fix that. Some satins are reasonably dull on the inside that they might be useable to you. I suppose it depends on what colors you have and how they look under lights. Otherwise, those curtains sound like a good bet. I believe there is still a women's sideless surcote pattern in the costume section of the pattern books... from Simplicity if memory serves. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 00:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j135LW98030525 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j135KrZj017979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j135KlJg024301; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j135KejZ024169 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020305203501100cf63ue>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:20:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1b6f01c509b0$13ee5e10$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain><8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> <42018E1E.2020401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:14:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone for the help. It is good. :) I have been able to salvage it and low and behold, the previous designer had returned some very nice costumes to the storage unit that are perfect for some of the characters. He was going for a different look than the director was and hid these from her. She is a very happy director now! And I only have to make two outfits!! Yeah!! :) (`'·.ø(`'·.ø(`'·.øø.·'“)ø.· '“)ø.·'“) «·.·*Ø`·¤ Chiara ¤·“Ø*·.·» (ø.·'“(ø.·'“(ø.·'“`'·.ø)`'· .ø)`'·.ø) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth : Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: : : > : > I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of : > attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is : > no budget left to fix that. : : Some satins are reasonably dull on the inside that they might be useable : to you. I suppose it depends on what colors you have and how they look : under lights. : : Otherwise, those curtains sound like a good bet. : : I believe there is still a women's sideless surcote pattern in the : costume section of the pattern books... from Simplicity if memory serves. : : : : Dawn : : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 02:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j137ikN2009946 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:44:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j137hbZj026652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137hRsN094566; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137hJA1094474 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020307431301100ccvmse>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:43:13 +0000 Message-ID: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:43:11 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j137ikN2009946 Status: RO I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, 1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the June 14, 1845 edition. If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 02:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j137uta0013827 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j137u8Zj027472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137u47J000758; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137tGOD000354 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A96450F20140; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:57:24 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j137uLcL058895 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:00:09 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher In-Reply-To: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2DC4425 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All, I have been trying to access the Elizabethan Geek site, but it seems that a link is broken, or the site has moved, or the site has been removed. Does anyone know anything about this site? Thanks very much, Heather Stecher -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 03:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1389ReP017774 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1387YZj028009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1386uC1006153; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dslgwmail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1386sWA006136 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC222F53013C; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:09:06 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j13883cL059054 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:11:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58B649BC X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to reply to my own email, but it appears the problem was temporary, as I have just accessed the site. My apologies, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:06:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1396NBQ031001 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1395TZj001851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1395MSq036856; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1395F7t036786 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 09:05:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:58:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper In-Reply-To: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:43 03/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The >London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article >entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, >1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of >several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the >June 14, 1845 edition. > >If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this >year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. I am posting this reply here in case it is useful to anyone else. The British Library Newspaper Archive is listed here http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html They have copies of the Illustrated London News from the first edition in 1842. However I do not have the time to visit Colindale, which is where the archive is kept unfortunately. Maybe someone else can. They have newspapers from 1609!!! (Collected by Dr. Thomas Burney, Fanny Burney's father.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139YOFP006155 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139XjZj003259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139Xf66049991; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139Xc1w049929 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020309333201200fus44e>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:33:32 +0000 Message-ID: <019601c509d3$6d33ade0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:33:32 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Suzi! What is the closest large city to Colindale. I really enjoy the Illustrated London News. I have been a long time fan of pen and ink illustrations. Their earlier illustrations are wonderful! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139baoS007089 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139auZj003370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139atPp051350; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139ZffB050799 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:35:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020309353601100cbqvje>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:35:36 +0000 Message-ID: <019a01c509d3$b6aeddf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:35:35 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139r9Ff013060 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139qdZj004478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139qXmV058908; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139qSle058531 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j139pq206209.; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:51:52 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:51:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:51:38 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Colindale is a part of London. I'm sure individual readers can use the library without waiting for an Open Day. (Sorry, can't volunteer as I'm not near enough.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor >>> penny@costumegallery.com 03/02/2005 09:35:35 >>> Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 05:05:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13A5MDO014420 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13A4iZj005106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13A4e7F064698; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13A4ao0064593 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020310043101200fv7k3e>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:04:31 +0000 Message-ID: <01a601c509d7$c0c93e80$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:04:30 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Kate for the info. I know different sections of cities can be confusing. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 05:40:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13AeYXJ024709 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:40:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13AbDa3007027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13AAAP0067216; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13AA4qu067089 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 10:09:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203100634.0149e940@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:08:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper In-Reply-To: <019a01c509d3$b6aeddf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:35 03/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked >through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html As you have the specific details of the newspaper, you ring them 48 hours in advance, with those details, and they will have it ready for you, or your researcher. You do not have to wait for an open day, or research it yourself. I just spoke to a most helpful gentleman there. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 08:13:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13DDwgJ001070 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13DClZj027173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DCFjA057464; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DCE8J057440 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from srentcha@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from yourlk4rlmsu41 (141bus14.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.141.14]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j13DCArP003136 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:12:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301c509f2$17b216d0$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> From: "Susan Kent-Chaffee" To: "Historical Costume" References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:13:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you contacted the Victoria and Albert Museum? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, 1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the June 14, 1845 edition. If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 08:34:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13DY3QC002821 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:34:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13DXRZj001497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DXNMp068592; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DXLIG068490 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A818342F0082; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:33:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.115 ([209.131.81.115] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Feb 05 13:33:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c509f5$0c4df400$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:34:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds gorgeous! I found myself thinking of the stumpwork that you have been making and wondered if you might be using some of those pieces for the flower part of the new hat. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] hat > Hi, > Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and > buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the > brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small > "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. > Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for > another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole hat > is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round the > head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green > stumpwork leaves................... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 10:17:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13FHsLe004881 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13FGhZj008560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13FGNGj031814; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50407.mail.yahoo.com (web50407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13FFu7j031502 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88386 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2005 15:15:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=g813yiLXDdTnmS6FY5zeubIPS/ZCF2+CSjo6wt1k3XKAxuhL975B1OY02TQPOo4dKNx+okPx1njUpNpNsidkrdmvFd+I3ADpcTeDh12O81Z4Oedj1jDxqDoP309ASX8LXLTckxm/dOctNcCzM8n274oar/dXmeibvb8vNzuu6js= ; Message-ID: <20050203151550.88384.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.12] by web50407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:15:50 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:15:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1b6f01c509b0$13ee5e10$6d00a8c0@ches> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh huzzah Chiara! That sounds much more do-able and less stressful. happy sewing, Angharat/ wolfcat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 11:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13GKtI2005269 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13GJrZj015072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GHxkW082001; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13GHXgZ081479 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020311172213954 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:17:22 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j13GHJxX019971 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > This method would surely be quicker than a true stencil, I think. > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tania Gruning" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > > >> Hi. >> Get a plastic folder and prick the design, then mix some water and flour > together, put the plastic folder on the fabric and paint with the > flourmixture so the it goes through the tiny holes, the design will show > as > small whitish dots, that can be gently scratched away. >> Works wonders on velvet and all dark coloured embroidery backgrounds. >> Tania >> Denmark >> >> Kathryn Parke wrote: >> Hello, all -- >> >> Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different > problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon > embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm > doing > her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to > make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I > hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names > will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would > you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me > to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, > and > the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of > transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering > over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the > cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that > the > stabilizer might distort the stit! >> ches if I >> embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most >> welcome! > Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this > on > dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has > been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. >> >> Thank you in advance for your advice -- >> KP >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 11:51:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13Gp2it005468 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:51:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13GnsZj018700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GnoD9010862; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GnkZD010714 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203164935.LUCX1924.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c50a10$e29383c0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:53:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I start my bid price low but put reserve prices on the books so it doesn't scare bidders away. I sold lots of books but I had to use key words in the title. I did well if I stayed with topics I knew something about but also got lucky with some on topics I was clueless about. Some books I paid 50 cents for and sold for $16.00. I had an old gardening book lying around and decided to sell it as it was so big sold for $54.00, who knew. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Using Half.com is fine for selling books if you are not in a hurry or have something highly desirable that you will sell for a reasonable price. The highly desirable things are often on the wish lists of a number of people so that as soon as your listing goes through, they will all be sent e-mails and your book can go in a couple hours. If you have ordinary things that already have a number of listings, you could wait several years before yours sold. It is fairly simple to set up. I have not had much luck selling books on Ebay, although I do buy some there. I couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up and a picture is very useful. If you set your price too high, no one will even start to bid on it and if it is too low, you could be unlucky and get less than your book is worth. As a buyer, I notice that I am most likely to get an underpriced bargain when something is mis-categorized or the seller doesn't use the most common buzzwords in the title, like the people who occasionally sell book of hours manuscript facsimiles under "religious books". Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 12:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13HFkXR005625 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13HFBZj022139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13HF37P033847; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13HEwCh033723 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203171453.GKQH21202.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:14:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c50a14$6b22e5c0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] horsehair supplys Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:18:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You should look for horse hair under indian craft supplies like this one??? lots of them sell horse hair http://www.indian-craft-supplies.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=cat-animal-hair.htm/SID=243424013 Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] horsehair supplys The only horse hair that I know of is horse tail hair and usually Crazy Crow carries it. http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=55 5-100-000 De -----Original Message----- hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 13:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13IKAv6006102 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13IJLZj000413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13IJ7VY090315; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13IIO6E089714 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:18:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 164.154.114.160 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:17:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.154.114.160] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502011903.j11J3YCk033292@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:17:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 18:18:02.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28DD9D0:01C50A1C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] selling books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin - if you ever sell some of your books I would definitely be interested! Taking that a step further, when people on this list have 'costume' books to sell, would it be ethical (or whatever the correct word is) to put them on this list? Berenice Calvina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 15:04:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13K4AfS006643 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:04:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13K37Zj011568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13K2pLW077094; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13K2nHv076982 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203200239.XCJU17775.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c50a2b$dba4a880$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] selling books Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't mind as long as you don't continue to advertise them. I would like to know what is available but just in one email per person per group of books. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waack" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [h-cost] selling books Robin - if you ever sell some of your books I would definitely be interested! Taking that a step further, when people on this list have 'costume' books to sell, would it be ethical (or whatever the correct word is) to put them on this list? Berenice Calvina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 16:27:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13LReuu007125 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:27:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13LQpZj019827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13LQ5xM052349; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13L4aEg033795 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j13KwWQp008955 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:58:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:57:59 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j13L4aEg033795 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Excerpt of message received from ArtRes: >Images from the Victoria and Albert Museum are supplied to advertising and >design agencies, book publishers, newspapers and magazines, television and >electronic media companies, as well as to academic publishers and authors >of scholarly publications. If you fall into one of these groups and work >in North America you are eligible to receive a gratis copy of " 100 GREAT >PAINTINGS FROM THE VICTORIA & ALBERT MUSEUM". > >In order to receive your copy of 100 GREAT PAINTINGS IN THE VICTORIA AND >ALBERT MUSEUM please send us your: >Name >address >e-mail >a description of the type of photo work you do >Send in an e-mail to news@artres.com or call us at (212) 505-8700 (MON- FRI). > >Click > to >see hightlights from The Victoria & Albert Museum. » Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 17:23:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13MNgJX007444 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:23:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13MFaaP025393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13MCUTZ092423; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13MCN0V092295 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 114671BCA93; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:12:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust5.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.5]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D99A1BCA2E for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:12:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:13:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j13MNgJX007444 Status: RO There are a couple of late 15thC/early 16thC elements that I've been tracking lately. In the earlier years of that time range they appear in paintings, the elements are only shown in allegorical settings, but later on, they begin to appear with regularity on real people, and in informal or non-symbolic portraits. For example, there's a sort of a floaty sash shown around the waists of 15th century saints. However, by the early 16th century, these floaty sashes are portrayed realistically in portraits, sketches by Holbein of real people, and so on--they're clearly a real garment by around 1520. Another example is the slit skirt. Again, it starts showing up in paintings that are just dripping with allegory. A little while later, it shows up on lots of images of Anne de Bretagne; so many that it almost seems to become one of her identifying features in later, postmortem AdB images. A little while after that, it begins to show up on servants, and in portraits, and eventually it spreads all over the place in the form of the Tudor divided skirt. There's a similar progression for sleeveless (not sideless) overgowns, although there's less of a clear-cut progression, since sleeveless gowns never became entirely allegorical (just less popular, apparently). Headwear seems to work the same way, sometimes; a wild element of a saint's headdress later shows up as a wild element of a real headdress. In other words, it's beginning to seem to me as though things don't always STAY allegorical, even if they started that way. With both the slit skirt and the floaty waist sash, I can actually sort of see how it might have happened, as AdB favored both, and it is on AdB that both begin to be painted/drawn in a _realistic_ manner. She was in a position to be exposed to plenty of the more impressive paintings of saints; she may well have decided to adopt elements of saints' clothing for political, 'image' reasons. (I vaguely remember reading that some fashion-forward parts of Elizabeth's [?] wardrobe were meant to imitate halos--same idea.) With a queen wearing them, they became fashionable, and within the next 10-20 years spread far enough to be painted by Cranach and Holbein on reasonably humble real people. Has anyone else found examples of allegorical clothing, etc, becoming real clothing? I'm not talking about finding realistic examples of elements shown in allegorical paints, at the same time (wonderful though that is); I'm talking about seeing a timeline where the item is allegorical only, for a while, and THEN starts being worn in realistic settings. (I suppose the whole pre-Raphaelite movement is full of examples of this, now that I think of it. "A most intense young man, A soulful-eyed young man, An ultra-poetical, super-aesthetical Out-of-the-way young man...") -E House, too busy to upload illustrative pics now, but will do so on request when time allows if folks start talkin' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13N5b7Q007597 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:05:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13N4tZj001687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13N4k6t036018; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13N4gF2035951 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.31] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwq1h-00012w-2G for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras> <023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:04:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bdbddf913c8aa2bf88d9779f81b11decf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.31 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate wrote: > For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? Take a look at this one: http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp you...) -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13Ng3Vi007969 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13NfDZj005242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13Nf7o5063001; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13Nf2Oa062885 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:51 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUJyKqWx+U1JAM9RVOyjDrttQ0V1wAgPW7g In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, I just HAVE to know, what is this site all about? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dan and Heather Stecher Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek Sorry to reply to my own email, but it appears the problem was temporary, as I have just accessed the site. My apologies, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:45:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13NjRFQ008006 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:45:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13NiLZj005521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13NiLN4065139; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13NiHf2065034 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.145.3e9d169b (4196) for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <145.3e9d169b.2f341144@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:44:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thank you so much I've been here all day trying to get up the nerve to ask therea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140L5Np008259 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140JbZj009313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140JT6O091802; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dslgwmail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140JNxo091741 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD2F2AAC014E; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:09:19 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1408CcL074405 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203161040.0285d140@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:12:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek In-Reply-To: <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-61912390 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's a site devoted to research on the Elizabethan era, mostly costuming, but other stuff as well. Hope that helps, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140Z0b2008343 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140YJZj011697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140Y8CI002511; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140XpXW002206 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from srentcha@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from yourlk4rlmsu41 (141bus14.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.141.14]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j140XkNs005609 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> From: "Susan Kent-Chaffee" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:34:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brenda, I am a designer and seamstress of Period Costumes and the Performing Arts (specifically Classical Ballet). Thanks for the info. I spent some time at the V&A some years ago and purchased a number of phamplets and several days sketching the costumes in the Costume Gallery. All of my books, sketches, and phamplets are in storage right now waiting to be moved to my new home in Va. When they are unpacked and you are interested in titles and publishers I would be happy to forward them to you. You may already have them, but possibly not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers > Excerpt of message received from ArtRes: > > >Images from the Victoria and Albert Museum are supplied to advertising and > >design agencies, book publishers, newspapers and magazines, television and > >electronic media companies, as well as to academic publishers and authors > >of scholarly publications. If you fall into one of these groups and work > >in North America you are eligible to receive a gratis copy of " 100 GREAT > >PAINTINGS FROM THE VICTORIA & ALBERT MUSEUM". > > > >In order to receive your copy of 100 GREAT PAINTINGS IN THE VICTORIA AND > >ALBERT MUSEUM please send us your: > >Name > >address > >e-mail > >a description of the type of photo work you do > >Send in an e-mail to news@artres.com or call us at (212) 505-8700 (MON- FRI). > > > >Click > > to > >see hightlights from The Victoria & Albert Museum. » > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:42:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140grdF008363 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:42:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140frZj012207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140fok4007415; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j140fmDh007326 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020319414017450 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:41:40 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j140fbxX024504 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ed01c50a52$4a572bb0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras><023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> <024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:41:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, if possible. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > Kate wrote: >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > Take a look at this one: > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > you...) > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 02:32:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j147WQpM019295 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:32:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j147VLZj014495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j147U1BK027676; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81005.mail.yahoo.com (web81005.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j147Tuqq027553 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from altablue@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050204072951.97701.qmail@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.127.252.137] by web81005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:29:51 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Heather Smart To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stays Workshops with Mark Hutter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received a Stay workshop announcement from my English Country Dancing list. I thought it may be of interest here. I apologize if this is a cross post. Mark Hutter, Colonial Williamsburg's Master Tailor will instruct eighteenth century manner of constructing women's stays. The workshops will take place March 11th through the 14th. I posted the flyer attachment here: http://www.geocities.com/altablue/posts/Stays_Workshop.doc Have fun! Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 08:06:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14D6bdI012430 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14D5iZj015463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14D5adu004651; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14D5WcW004556 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A313F1000AA; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:05:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.105 ([209.131.81.105] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Feb 05 13:05:22 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c50aba$54649580$695183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras><023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate><024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> <02ed01c50a52$4a572bb0$4da810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:06:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds like an instrument that I see offered for leather tooling.? Look at leatherunlimited.com. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like > little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go > thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, > if possible. > Kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Pinto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > > > > Kate wrote: > >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > > > Take a look at this one: > > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > > you...) > > -Helen/Aidan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 15:54:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14KsDgF019313 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14Kcrxf029053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14KBPwZ052448; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14KBH3m052287 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cx9nN-000Dgs-9P for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:11:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions References: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please post some pictures - I did a quick search for Anne de Bretagne but couldn't see anything I would describe as a "floaty waist sash". Please let us see what you're talking about. Jean E House wrote >There are a couple of late 15thC/early 16thC elements that I've been >tracking lately. In the earlier years of that time range they appear >in paintings, the elements are only shown in allegorical settings, but >later on, they begin to appear with regularity on real people, and in >informal or non-symbolic portraits. > >For example, there's a sort of a floaty sash shown around the waists of >15th century saints. However, by the early 16th century, these floaty >sashes are portrayed realistically in portraits, sketches by Holbein of >real people, and so on--they're clearly a real garment by around 1520. > >Another example is the slit skirt. Again, it starts showing up in >paintings that are just dripping with allegory. A little while later, >it shows up on lots of images of Anne de Bretagne; so many that it >almost seems to become one of her identifying features in later, >postmortem AdB images. A little while after that, it begins to show up >on servants, and in portraits, and eventually it spreads all over the >place in the form of the Tudor divided skirt. > >There's a similar progression for sleeveless (not sideless) overgowns, >although there's less of a clear-cut progression, since sleeveless >gowns never became entirely allegorical (just less popular, >apparently). Headwear seems to work the same way, sometimes; a wild >element of a saint's headdress later shows up as a wild element of a >real headdress. > >In other words, it's beginning to seem to me as though things don't >always STAY allegorical, even if they started that way. With both the >slit skirt and the floaty waist sash, I can actually sort of see how it >might have happened, as AdB favored both, and it is on AdB that both >begin to be painted/drawn in a _realistic_ manner. She was in a >position to be exposed to plenty of the more impressive paintings of >saints; she may well have decided to adopt elements of saints' clothing >for political, 'image' reasons. (I vaguely remember reading that some >fashion-forward parts of Elizabeth's [?] wardrobe were meant to imitate >halos--same idea.) With a queen wearing them, they became fashionable, >and within the next 10-20 years spread far enough to be painted by >Cranach and Holbein on reasonably humble real people. > >Has anyone else found examples of allegorical clothing, etc, becoming >real clothing? I'm not talking about finding realistic examples of >elements shown in allegorical paints, at the same time (wonderful >though that is); I'm talking about seeing a timeline where the item is >allegorical only, for a while, and THEN starts being worn in realistic >settings. > >(I suppose the whole pre-Raphaelite movement is full of examples of >this, now that I think of it. >"A most intense young man, >A soulful-eyed young man, >An ultra-poetical, super-aesthetical >Out-of-the-way young man...") > >-E House, too busy to upload illustrative pics now, but will do so on >request when time allows if folks start talkin' >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 16:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14LoJUF019620 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:50:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14LnSZj009059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14LmXg5039911; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j14LiVFv036421 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 21485 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 21:44:32 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:44:32 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> In-Reply-To: <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" , gbacg@yahoo.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question for the list.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I apologize if some of you receive this more than once... I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! I would like to know what you guys typically will spend on a brocade or jacquard fabric for a costume. So the questions are: 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural fibers (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric content, or pattern? I want to offer brocades that people want and at reasonable prices. Thanks for your help! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150Bhmw020287 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:11:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150AjZj000816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150AAiv071058; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j150A8Ud070923 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 62560 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 00:10:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050205001001.62558.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.81.240.111] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:10:01 EST Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:01 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I am rarely writing on this message board now. I am never home to write the messages, merely skim them. THis one interested me. I have a few questions that might answer yours. Personaly I go with the Medieval - Elizabethan era so larger patterned brocades are important to me. Also I live in Canada so my prices may be different from you. TYpically I go to 2 stores where the prices are great, the others are about 10 times the amount, so I rarely go there. Depending on the purpose would determine the fabric type (cotton, synthetic, etc.). Where I buy my fabric, I can acquire the fabric around $2-10/m or yard (CND). I always go to the tapestry or apolstry section when making a period outfit. I typically use broadcloth ($2/yrd or m) for lining and broadcloth/silk ($2-5/ m or yard) for an underdress. Normally I can make a dress for about $30-85 for myself and then to transfer to the customer that cost and raise hourly work for a profit. My questions to you are these: 1. What period are you looking at? (earlier periods used larger and repetative/consistant patterns according to some sources that I have seen and heard from) 2.How much are you willing to spend (a tudor/elizabethan dress takes about 4+ m for my overdress alone) 3.Do you care about the fabric being washable, feelable, knitted or woven (woven is period) 4.Are your customers wanting researched reproduction quality or something that resembles what they have seen from a movie 5.How much profit are you wanting to achieve based on the cost of material I know others will have their experiences and opinions, but I hope this helped some. Janet Diana Habra wrote: I apologize if some of you receive this more than once... I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! I would like to know what you guys typically will spend on a brocade or jacquard fabric for a costume. So the questions are: 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural fibers (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric content, or pattern? I want to offer brocades that people want and at reasonable prices. Thanks for your help! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150jDcv020386 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150iTZj004970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150iPaS097986; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150iM9Y097931 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA11456; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:45:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: "Helen Pinto" , "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:44:20 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <420416e4.2aa4.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Helen, thank you very much for the advice. I do really appreciate it. And I don't actually recall ever using altavista. I'll have to check that search engine out the next time I need an image. The other search engine I forgot we had, is Copernic. Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:47:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150lhA0020401 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:47:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150l3Zj005266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150l2ep099726; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150io8s098168 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.210]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IBE00EQ4Y2F5H@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from becs-2.paradise.net.nz (becs-2.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.34]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0748287A for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by becs-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 80) id 264479CF37; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list.... In-reply-to: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> X-Originating-IP: 203.97.11.70 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1107564279.420416f71f409@www.paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Diana Habra : > 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? OK, I live in New Zealand, so all my prices are in New Zealand dollars, which I think are wourth about $US0.71. I rarely buy brocade, but speaking in general, I will spend up to $12/m for good 115cm wide fabric, or $16/m for 150/160cm. _Perfect_ fabric is a different thing, and I can be persuaded to go as high as around $25/m if it's _really_ good _and_ I have a planned project to use it in. > 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural > fibers > (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? I buy natural fibres pretty much exclusively. > 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric > content, or pattern? There's not a single "most" important feature. All of those things are important, as well as weight, drape, and colour. Adele d'M _________________________________________________ Quot homines, tot sententiae. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150u7v5020481 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:56:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150tWZj006065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150t76V005479; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150t2CO005418 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA11781 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:55:03 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42041967.3fe5.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Princess Seam X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would like to thank everyone for being so patient with me when it comes to my questions about costuming. It's only been a few years that I have really started to get serious about the subject. I've always been a needlework person, almost any form of embroidery or decorative stitching. My new question has to do with princess seams. I was unsatisfied with a piece of emergency garb that I had to sew. It was because it was supposed to be a Renaissance bodice and it had princess seams. At the event I was holding I mention my dissatisfaction about the seams and how OOP they were, when another lady (who is a professional costumer) informed me that they were actually proper for the time period. I decided to go to my books on costuming (The 20,000 Years of Fashion and The History of Costume) and could not find anything about this type of seam or any pictures (at least none in the Ren period). So, friends, when did princess seams come in? Roscelin Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:03:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1513vgN020525 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1513OZj006623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1513LdB010738; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1513IFD010711 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA12060 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:04:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:03:19 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a doll like the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've only made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151AcKL020541 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151A1Zj007067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1519wO4015170; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:09:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1519urH015057 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:09:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d8.1f34f78b (2519) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, roscelin@pcez.com writes: So, friends, when did princess seams come in? I always thought they were "invented" by Worth, in the 19th century, but that may not be correct. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:44:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151hvUl020662 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151hJZj010337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151grC5036030; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151gPME035664 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07633 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:54:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:54:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <42041967.3fe5.0@pcez.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, roscelin wrote: > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? Depends on how you define "princess seam." Some people use the term to refer to any side front seam that goes over the bust point. Some people make a distinction between side front seams that curve sideways into the armhole, as opposed to continuing up to the shoulder. There are certainly side front seams that curve over the bust point in the later Middle Ages and on. The earliest such seam I've seen is in the portrait of Agnes Sorel as the Maddona, by Fouquet (known for the single exposed breast), which was painted around 1450. Many people will point to this and say, "See, princess seams are period." However, I wouldn't call this a "princess seam" in the modern sense. For me, a crucial issue -- more important than whether the seam goes to the shoulder or the armhole -- is the shape of the curve, and the variation in degree of curve between the front piece and side piece. A modern "princess seam" cut is designed to lie over a foundation that holds the breasts up (but not high) and out; the foundation (e.g., a bra) holds the breasts in this position, and the princess cut shapes the overlying fabric to lie smoothly over the established bosom. Agnes Sorel's dress apparently used seams in this position to shape the bosom in a certain way, but not to make the dress fall neatly over an already-established profile -- and the shape itself would not be that of the modern princess dress. I believe some Elizabethan and Renaissance designs also use a seam in this position, but again, the shape is different, and so the cut of the pieces and the interaction of the curves is not that of the modern "princess" cut. So, if you're just looking for evidence of a seam in this position, that shouldn't be a problem in the 16th century. But that doesn't make it a "princess seam." The same goes for earlier constructions seen on some extant garments, such as the Greenland dresses, some of which use vertical piecing to create sufficient width around the body and to accomplish some shaping all the way around the body to come closer in the torso. The fact that some of these extra body seams fall near to the bust doesn't make them princess seams. So, if someone says that princess seams existed in a certain time period, it's important to determine whether they're referring to the *modern* princess cut, or just using that term as shorthand for any over-the-bust seam. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1536UBH020992 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:06:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151T5Zj008954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151SvRi027832; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151St6m027815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2491 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxEkh-0006z7-9d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:28:47 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j151tXCF034470 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j151tWBa034469 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:32 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty much like princess seams to me. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j153DeIR021018 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153CuZj019121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153CnpF098285; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153Cj7M098238 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so459832rne for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Trz2XDQ8ExWamRds5MOWcYdjR6howL5XvsMPmi42FQEtzLqJf4LfPioruLGm0V6SpJ3sDPeJMtANf4GtxNA8pQHLB9FBW2IgpRcFuMlAMH5dKiBD1mdVRFmcwjyQOlXFpFjFFhbM762cDwTvIDHji+ZVcqDaOnILVcaGgCwTx5E= Received: by 10.38.71.79 with SMTP id t79mr71732rna; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905020419126b5ce474@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:12:44 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought this might be fun for some: http://www.paperdollheaven.com/historyoffashion.php Latest Flash plugin required, and no, I don't know how accurate it all is - the undewear is certainly fanciful until about 1930, when it looks like someone at least tried to do some research. Anyway - have fun! Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:33:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j153XnY7021073 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:33:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153XFZj020540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153XCpQ011111; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153VQ2K010069 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-76-56.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.76.56]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153R3c2000927 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:27:08 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050204192349.0247cbe0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:26:25 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll In-Reply-To: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a > doll like >the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. > Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is >the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've >only >made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. I make dolls, and the best way to make patterns is to look at the big patterns and make smaller versions just like them. It's kind of like making patterns for someone not the same size as the original pattern. Sometimes the patterns come on a grid, like in Janet Arnold, and can be easily scaled directly to another grid. Failing that, drape the patterns right on the doll body. BTW, I don't own this book, and have never seen this fashion baby. Is she all cloth, wood and cloth, or all wood? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 23:16:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j154Go9l021169 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j154G1Zj024003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j154FMCx039046; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j154FIKY038961 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050205041513.59794.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.16.70] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:15:13 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050204192349.0247cbe0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > BTW, I don't own this book, and have never seen this fashion baby. > Is she > all cloth, wood and cloth, or all wood? > > >From another doll source that I don't have to hand to site at the moment, the doll is a wire frame, wrapped with reeled or unspun silk threads of yellow and red. The head appears to be a cloth head, with embroidered features and has human hair for her wig. One of the things that I think is interesting about this doll is that is rather simple when compared to the artwork of this period that show dolls. Of course, my estimate that the dolls that show in those paintings are probably twelve to fifteen inches tall would allow for more detail than this one that is only six and a half inches. I would suggest that if you are unfamilar with patterning your own clothes for dolls or people that you should look at something like Janet Arnold's Patterns of fashions, pick an outfit that you'd like to recreate in doll size, make your doll match the grid size of the pattern, and if that chart grid is too small, put it on a copier to say 200%, and scale the doll appropriately. That way you have a pattern that is exactly the size that you need for your doll. Alexandria 16th century dolls is one of my pet projects- on the one hand you have dolls, which are always fun, and on the other, you need to make clothes for them, what more can you ask for? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 00:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j155FZOY021450 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j155EIZj028304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j155ECx2074876; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j155EAIj074832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.153] (acty1153.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.153]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j155E47P007391 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <42045616.9020401@dandy.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:13:58 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hose/stockings References: <3FA46CD3.9000701@dandy.net> <000601c3979b$bfd77780$6c2da5d1@pavilion> <002601c3970b$ad38c880$ba6453d8@Kass> <000e01c39783$9cae89a0$e02da5d1@pavilion> <000601c3979b$bfd77780$6c2da5d1@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20031028231011.0487d650@mail.frys.com> <3FA46CD3.9000701@dandy.net> <4.3.1.2.20031102223240.05ad2a50@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, Carol, will you be around tomorrow (Saturday)? We will be at Adelphi Mill (Pirate Feast) and my wife will be bringing some of the examples she has done of some of the historical knitting. Cheers, Mike T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 01:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15652ku021705 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1564BZj002782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1563vJ8005640; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:03:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1563tAM005606 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CxJ2v-0003dG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:03:54 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050204235836.02815158@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:01:45 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> References: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I knew we had one of these, and I finally found the source: (don't know if this will show up as a link - if not, cut and paste, etc.) http://www.baerfabrics.com/detail.asp?product_ID=500760-EA Baer Fabric is a great store in Louisville, KY. We specifically planned a route through there on one of our last costuming trips so we could shop there. We were able to get several tools and notions that we couldn't find anywhere else. HTH, Sandy At 01:03 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: >From: "Kate Pinner" >Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > >When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like >little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, >if possible. >Kate > >From: "Helen Pinto" >Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > > > Kate wrote: > >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > > > Take a look at this one: > > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > > you...) > > -Helen/Aidan "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:21:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159Lw2e017022 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:21:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159JOZj016659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159JDcl024138; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j159JAxV024066 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62464 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 09:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050205091904.62462.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:19:04 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:19:04 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Jean This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings around the late 15C. There is an excellent page about it on the website of Kamillah called 'Sugar & Gamurra' http://www.geocities.com/kamillavh/0109.html with lots of serious research. Enjoy! HTH Katherine p.s. I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ it became 'real'... ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:23:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159NYcx017179 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159N2Zj016851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159N2jR026283; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159KcgZ024902 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.142.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.142] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j159KK9u016670 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:20:24 +1100 Message-ID: <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:18:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam > > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159U4IR017945 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159TTZj017265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159TQiV029890; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159TO5v029859 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.142.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.142] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j159TK1E016884 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:29:21 +1100 Message-ID: <00d801c50b64$da81c520$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac1905020419126b5ce474@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:27:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls > Thought this might be fun for some: > > http://www.paperdollheaven.com/historyoffashion.php > > Latest Flash plugin required, and no, I don't know how accurate it all > is - the undewear is certainly fanciful until about 1930, when it > looks like someone at least tried to do some research. > > Anyway - have fun! > > Allison T. cringe, the 1940s and later looks OK but otherwise pretty inaccurate (especially the underwear) Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15CVia9024582 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15CUPZj012299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CUCZT031922; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CU69Z031805 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DCB403AB for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3E29B3954; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CBLxKAAIy0wEAAAAB,b09cfd98ceaa31a358c64b12b47b00cc Message-Id: <20050205123002.3E29B3954@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne, Please, please, please put up pictures when you've finished - it sounds fantastic! What started this project? ( just curious :-) ) Joannah. --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: From: purplkat@optonline.net Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball Bjarne, Is there any way I can beg the scraps of this wonderful dupioni??? I am in the midst of the final parts of the Elizabethan that drives authenticity-nuts CRAZY!! It is perfectly done, the corset is correct, the pattern is correct, I cartridge pleated the skirt, everything is correct -- EXCEPT the fabric -- 3" squares of random various fabrics..... (from leather to lace to silk to double knit polyester to fabric made out of fiberglass (circa 1950's) to linen. Katheryne who is having WAY tooo much fun on this dress. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews . So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. > She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:57:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15CvmwK024926 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:57:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15CvIZj020247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvDE3046147; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvB7g046107 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12508 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:08:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:08:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". In-Reply-To: <20050205091904.62462.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, katherine sanders wrote: > This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a > 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings > around the late 15C. ... I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ > it became 'real'... Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters visited Italy). It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of artists and only later picked up by others. I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be able to track something. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:58:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15Cwbf9024932 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15Cw1Zj020468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Cw0Dw046561; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvoOJ046391 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601E3FD05 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DB26937CF3; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CBMLJAAzQVAEAAAAB,faa2a850ddf3dd775649676c4a598d64 Message-Id: <20050205125745.DB26937CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne, Raw silk, if you put it through the washing machine and dryer, 'plumps' up and gets a very 'homespun' appearance, if you would like that look. I have a skirt ( which I still use for re-enactment and probably shouldn't ) which is made of raw silk which has been treated this way and it is very hard-wearing, as well as easy care - I continue to throw it into the washing machine whenever it needs it ( I also don't bother to use special detergent / 'woolwash' usually, either ) - and it is still nice against the skin, if considerably faded now more than 4 years. Probably not 'period' for you, though. But, it's an idea of how it _could_ work for you. Joannah. --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: From: purplkat@optonline.net Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert My Jo-Anns specializes in fleece and 'crafty' fabric.. Have to really look for the good stuff.... Katheryne who would love to find a use for olive green raw silk - in the medieval period.... hhmmm dye it perhaps?? Jo-Anns had 3!! bolts full at $3 / yd _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DNnGg025153 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DN9Zj026912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DN5CO060718; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DN3Vx060655 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050205132258015009gdkue>; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:22:58 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:22:57 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:22:57 +0000 Message-Id: <020520051322.26286.4204C8B10004815A000066AE22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Researching the Re: "floaty waist sash". X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is just my little ol' opinion, but if you have read the Mummies of Urmichi (not sure about spelling of Urmichi), they render excellent examples of the kind of research Robin is talking about. Again, I could be wrong...There may be better examples out there... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Įtha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, katherine sanders wrote: > > > This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a > > 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings > > around the late 15C. ... I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ > > it became 'real'... > > Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists > used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign > character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing > seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been > traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists > on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters > visited Italy). > > It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other > geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists > before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual > routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a > possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a > fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. > > E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the > line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but > I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. > To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular > used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, > some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, > and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of > artists and only later picked up by others. > > I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, > to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in > two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. > For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts > from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences > in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor > clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a > farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be > able to track something. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:34:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DY7iK025270 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:34:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DXMZj029428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DXCcK066575; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j15DX97J066482 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020508330126250 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:33:01 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j15DWwxX010769 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:33:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <030b01c50b87$393f7e00$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050204235836.02815158@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! That is exactly what I have been looking for! Although the other suggestions and my own search on google turned up lots of interesting toys, er.. tools, I hadn't found it. Thank you! Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel >I knew we had one of these, and I finally found the source: (don't know if >this will show up as a link - if not, cut and paste, etc.) > > http://www.baerfabrics.com/detail.asp?product_ID=500760-EA > > Baer Fabric is a great store in Louisville, KY. We specifically planned a > route through there on one of our last costuming trips so we could shop > there. We were able to get several tools and notions that we couldn't > find anywhere else. > > HTH, > > Sandy > > At 01:03 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: >>From: "Kate Pinner" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem >> >>When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points >>like >>little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >>thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this >>kind, >>if possible. >>Kate >> >>From: "Helen Pinto" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem >> >> > Kate wrote: >> >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on >> >> it >> >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? >> > >> > Take a look at this one: >> > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 >> > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than >> > the >> > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby >> > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from >> > Widget. >> > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp >> > you...) >> > -Helen/Aidan > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:35:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DZsuU025303 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:35:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DZFZj029991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DZFTk067905; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DZCC5067817 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB874783008A; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:35:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Feb 05 13:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c50b87$a41d47c0$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:36:03 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This has been an ongoing project of mine for the last three years. I chose to take a porcelain doll class for the model. After choosing the Kessner 'Gibson girl" 12-14" for the doll, I had an ongoing 'discussion' with the teacher about the amount of color I preferred for the face. Even after I brought QEWU to class, she still tried to persuade me to do the head in the traditional color fashion. I won, at least to my satisfaction. On to the clothing. I found out by accident that the Hunnisett patterns for corsets, bodices, and sleeves were exactly the scale for the body of the doll. (Mine has a cloth body that was tailored by the teacher of a friend several years ago). It is very shapely. I stuffed it with 50 year-old sawdust that had been 'oven-cured. I have completed one ensemble that is Ren. influenced and have been collecting fabric and beads and jewelry for an honest portrait attempt. Just this month I received my issue of "Doll Costuming" and was surprised and delighted to see that the major article was on a QE doll! It is the best that I have seen. The artist chose to make his own model and she is very nice indeed. A bit more color than I would have used on the face, but it suits the current aesthetic. The costume is Fabulous! He used the Pelican portrait for the gown, including all the jewels and embroidery one needed to bring the portrait to life. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "roscelin" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fashion doll > I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a doll like > the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. > Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is > the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've only > made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. > > Roscelin > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:00:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15E0BaR025590 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:00:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DxNZj005071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DxKpG082342; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j15DxIki082288 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020508591226355 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:59:12 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j15DxAxX011479 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <032d01c50b8a$e1f8d2a0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Barbie? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:59:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This painting struck me as a 15th century Barbie! But seriously, What's with the skirt of her gown? It looks as if she's pulled it up and tied a belt/braid to keep it there. My question is, Why? I understand exposing the breast to feed the baby but why raise her skirt? Or was this a fashion? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam >> In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> roscelin@pcez.com writes: >> >> So, friends, when did princess seams come in? >> > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:23:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15ENlkD025876 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15ENCZj006680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EN6kQ095653; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [194.63.250.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EN3oW095567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j15EMveN014896 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Submit) with ESMTP id j15EMviJ014892 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, roscelin wrote: > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > There are certainly side front seams that curve over the bust point in the > later Middle Ages and on. The earliest such seam I've seen is in the > portrait of Agnes Sorel as the Maddona, by Fouquet (known for the single > exposed breast), which was painted around 1450. The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also has a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley gives an estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in "Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is the dating off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of seam? Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:42:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15Egdkr026145 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15EfuZj007830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EfoMF006830; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EfkGq006731 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.97.58750d4c (4560) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:41:38 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <97.58750d4c.2f363522@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:41:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5037 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/5/2005 6:35:15 AM Mountain Standard Time, pinner@mccc.edu writes: >>When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points >>like >>little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >>thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this >>kind, >>if possible. You can also get them at Greenburg and Hammer in NYC. They have an extensive catalogue of hard-to-find specialities for costume construction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 10:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15FVb4M027026 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15FUgZj010843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:30:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15FSZJv033877; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15FRUMa033339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2985 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxRqI-0007Te-HW for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:27:26 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j15FsCCF039558 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j15FsCN5039557 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502051554.j15FsCN5039557@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > > > > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > > > > > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > > much like princess seams to me. > > > > > > Jerusha > > > > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams > which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by > separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams > over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam > to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. And you know, I wan't thinking when I sent that painting yesterday. (I was trying to do a bazillion things at the same time and my brain was fried!) If I'd had my with about me, I would have qualified that with the "yes they put seams here, but did they serve the same function" comment that Robin so eloquently elaborated on. Warning, be sure brain is engaged before answering email! :-S Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 13:25:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15IPlLC030015 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15IOwZj023164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15IOjju045121; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15IOhes045055 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14940 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:36:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:36:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j15IOhes045055 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, [iso-8859-1] Ingrid G. Storrų wrote: > The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also > has a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley > gives an estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in > "Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is > the dating off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of > seam? I've always been very troubled by that image. There are dating problems with all the Devonshire tapestries, in whole or part. They were not a uniform set from a single place and time, but examples of a popular genre that was produced over a span of time. One problem you get with tapestries like this is that they may include internal contradictions in time period. These may occur when parts of cartoons (the templates from which the weaving is done) drawn in different time periods are combined into a new arrangement to create a new tapestry. You can also get incongruities when tapestries are cut apart, re-pieced, and rewoven to fit different spaces. There are several things about the Miller's Wife figure that make her seem out of place in her setting, to my eye at least. I have often wondered whether she was restored at some point along the line, or whether some parts of her or the figure as a whole were later additions. I hope someday that a textile scholar is intrigued enough by this question to examine that part of the tapestry for signs that it was pieced in or restored. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 15:48:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15KmxOo000333 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15KmNZj003714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15KmABS033150; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Km7dt032934 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DB344179E59; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:47:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust74.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.74]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CCBA2179E5B for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:47:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <017f01c50bc4$11da1e50$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" > Please post some pictures - I did a quick search for Anne de Bretagne but > couldn't see anything I would describe as a "floaty waist sash". Please > let us see what you're talking about. > > Jean Here are a couple of quick AdB examples: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500AdB1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500_adbaftermarriagetolouisXII_plutarque_2.jpg The first shows AdB wearing both the waist sash and the split skirt I mentioned. Here it is, around the same time, on another sprig of royalty, Margaret of Austria (or possibly of Savoy): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/margaretofaustriaorsavoy.jpg And here, on another pair of Princesses (Mary & Margaret Tudor, I think?): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1500seatrip.jpg Each of the above dates between 1500 and ~1510 or earlier. This shows the floaty waist sash in a religious setting (on Salome): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1507-8flemmassys.jpg You can see more clearly here why I think of it as the "floaty" waist sash: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1505germany.jpg And to give you a clearer look than some of these images provide, here's a version of it on Diana as she leads a hunt: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/__hr_Diana%20and%20Hunters.jpg The Unicorn Hunt tapestry may or may not be the best source for realistic depictions, but here it is again worn with a perfectly documentable real style: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1495-1505unicornkilleddet.jpg It shows up on women in religious settings much earlier than any images I've included; I haven't added those simply because the sash is so obscured by the rest of what's going on that it's not the best example. However, given the distinctive knot you see in so many of the later depictions, it's not too hard to identify it from just a peek at the waist. Well, actually, I may as well put up an example of that: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1475-80dutch.jpg The earlier depictions show it worn slightly differently; the portion around the waist is often twisted, as here. It's also worn by men: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500lejardin.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1465-8flemishgoes.jpg (In fact, it seems to be downright common on men in the second half of the 15thC--I don't really collect images of men's clothing, but in a quick search for images to show you, I ran across at least a dozen examples of this type or similar types of sashes on men.) On men, it's depicted more realistically, and the use of the sash as an allegorical symbol may well relate to where those men got the fashion. And here it is later on, in clearly non-allegorical, non-royal, non-historical settings: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/english.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/leyden3.jpg As worn by an early 16thC spinster for her brass (she's wearing styles that are MUCH earlier than her date of death--her dress is more like late 1480s/early 1490s, and if I remember correctly, her death was around 1525. The sash may be a way of updating the outfit a tad): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/trivick04.gif Looking back through my images just now, I'm finding it in more regions that I'd remembered--England, France & the Lowlands, Hungary & Bohemia and Germanic areas, Italy, in Spain on a Moor... It's worn by men, women, and children; over the course of a few decades, it appears on nearly every class. Artists such as Van Leyden who are noted for accurate rendering of local costumes (and were described this way within living memory of their career) show it; well-travelled artists such as Holbein show it; isolated small-time artists such as those in Hungary & Bohemia include it in an almost iconographic manner. It appears in isolated situations in the 2nd half of the 15thC; right around 1500-1505, it seems to go through an explosion of popularity and shows up all over the place in short order. (From a practical standpoint, it would be an easy fashion to adopt, since all you really need is a few yards of very narrow fabric/wide ribbon/tablet weaving.) It seems to stick around longest in Dutch areas, and drifts out of use around 1530-1535 (at least in the parts of Europe I study). -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 18:55:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15NtYkQ005608 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15NsXZj013659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15NsBqK048151; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Ns4FD047962 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 96450A07CD; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:53:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust127.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.127]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AA54A07D9 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:53:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:54:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists > used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign > character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing > seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been > traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists > on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters > visited Italy). >From looking into the poste a tad just now, there does seem to be some connection there. So far, I've got earlier dates for it in Northern Europe than Southern, but I clearly haven't looked into it enough to know with any certainty who got there first. Still, there's the fact that within Northern Europe, the garment hangs about in allegorical settings for decades, then suddenly explodes into a real fashion. It's that jump from shown-but-not-worn, to WORN, that fascinates me. > It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other > geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists > before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual > routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a > possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a > fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. AdB (sorry, I get really tired of typing out the full name!) may not be the single innovator, but she is either the earliest or one of the earliest peolpe that appear to actually wear it, rather than just being depicted in it. When she's first shown in it, she's shown in rather heavily symbolic settings, giving the sash a sort of allegorical feel; later, though, she seems to be just plain wearing it as a garment. It's that transition in the way it's shown on her specifically that makes me think of it as moving from allegory to reality on AdB herself. However, the transition I see played out on her may not have originated there. > E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the > line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but > I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. > To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular > used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, > some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, > and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of > artists and only later picked up by others. > I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, > to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in > two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. I've looked into this a bit, and so far have found no clear connection (or perhaps, too many connections to pin a single one down). However, I have much more information on the later, worn-as-a-real-garment artists than on the earlier artists (often just known to me as 'Master of the ...') so there certainly may be a connection that I'm just not able to find at the moment. I'm not saying I've done all the research I can on the question, by any means; just that I don't have time to do any more on this subject right now, but I haven't found anything in what I _have_ done. But again, right now I'm more interested in the fact that a garment depicted as a fantasy becoming a reality, regardless of where the artist got the idea for that fantasy. (Considering all the fancy drapery going around at that time, I wouldn't be the least surprised if some artist somewhere just ...decided it would be pretty. Or if another artist somewhere saw it being worn in a different manner on a trip to Italy and decided to re-purpose it, and another associated it with the Holy Land and used it as a symbol, and... ) The 'where they got the idea' is important and interesting and I want to know, but the simple fact of that leap from not-worn to worn makes me suddenly a lot more interested in and less dismissive of allegorical fashions. > For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts > from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences > in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor > clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a > farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be > able to track something. > > --Robin The split skirt brings up topics too long for me to post about here & now, but to summarize, the 'Tudor'* style seems to be a combination of what was going on in Spain, and what was already in place in Northern Europe; the split skirt is one element that was already going on in NE before the foundational elements came in from Spain. In other words, I'm not calling it a straight line, but rather saying that this specific element was already in place in NE before the new style fully developed. Though Spain certainly had a lot of impact on that fashion and the ways it was constructed, I really think Spain's impact has been overstated. The gowns being worn just before the new fashion are almost the same as the new fashion; they're just built over a different support/underpinning system. *The term 'Tudor' for that style of dress is one of my buttons; I could refer to wildly different English clothing from 1485 as Tudor with equal accuracy. But everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say 'Tudor', so I use it anyway... -E House really needs to go sew on 30 pair of hooks and eyes now, sigh. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 19:07:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1607wT2005867 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1607NZj015115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1607K9X056107; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1607HND056077 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id CD500143434; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust127.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.127]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 722DD1432A5 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <01a501c50bdf$ec7c7880$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <020520051322.26286.4204C8B10004815A000066AE22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mummies (was researching, floaty, etc) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:07:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't read that, but that book has been on my to-buy list for a while! I'm absolutely fascinated by the Urumchi mummies. (And the rest of the Silk Road mummies--were they all found in Urumchi? I think there were more elsewhere.) In fact, I'm absolutely fascinated by mummies in general. I hope that doesn't make me too morbid. What is it about seeing the actual faces?! -E House ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh" > This is just my little ol' opinion, but if you have read the > Mummies of Urmichi (not sure about spelling of Urmichi), > they render excellent examples of the kind of research > Robin is talking about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 19:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j160PZ8S006278 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:25:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j160OpZj016082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j160OlEl066726; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j160OjMH066690 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.253.103.201] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CxaEF-0002zf-Li for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:24:44 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=AQX/Q2X+h3ueBNK2wlEyecBxv/s6Saq6X2ooSheZXvBz3vhX52CQKqhzbV5V3q4w; Message-ID: <001801c50be2$3cf327d0$c967fd04@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da9400988f369e500f26775152020ca66a6ef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.253.103.201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They sure do to me, as well - into the armhole? I always wonder when I see these "plucked head" ladies - how peculiar do they look without the headgear? Liadain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam >> In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> roscelin@pcez.com writes: >> >> So, friends, when did princess seams come in? >> > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 21:38:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j162ccdf008361 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:38:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j162bkZj025056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162bdLU047144; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162bbpr047073 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206023731.ZHKS21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:31 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([210.86.108.186]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206023731.ZAGJ22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:31 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.5]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:37:38 +1300 Message-ID: <005901c50bf4$d2e0f0d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:36 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also has > a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley gives an > estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in "Medieval > Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is the dating > off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of seam? There are two figures that have seams over the busts. The other is a woman tending some sheep. Her skirt is bunched up over her hips and she has bare feet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon1.jpg This one is a bit more weird as they seem to converge into a middle seam. They do look much later than other figures. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 21:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j162l70m008498 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j162kPZj025577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162kAJQ052142; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162k6Un052029 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206024600.RBGL23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:00 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([210.86.108.186]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206024559.YYAC7985.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:45:59 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.5]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:46:07 +1300 Message-ID: <005d01c50bf6$02442d50$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:07 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams > which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by > separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams > over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam > to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. > Elizabeth Early or late;)? Ther eis plenty of visual and extant evidence of curved seams over the bust in late 16thC Spanish dress, but they ae not about shaping to the bust. In paintings they are harder to distinguisd as curved, but even in a conical shaped torso you can use curves. They are also used in 17th and 18thC corsetry and bodices. I suspect is is as much for visually drawing the eye as there are some instances where seams are decorated (jewellery especially in the Spanish stuff.) But a curve also offers a bit more stretch, so I suspect it is also about fitting smoothing over the cone shaped base. My Elizabeth de Valois gown uses an extant Spanish jerkin as the base of the bodice (darn near perfect size for me scaled directly up) which is found in the first edition of History of Costume by Blanche Payne. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm If you scroll to the bottom you'll see the test patterns which show the seams more readily. Curved seams and what look to be faked curved seams can also be found in Alcega. Note though I am *not* suggesting they are princess seams in any way shape or form. the query was for seams over the bust. And a side note, Worth didn't claim credit for the princess seam. It was the pincesse line (en princesse) that he or proponants claim he invented. His dresses used darts at the front and seams at the back to create a dress with no waist seams. Apparently though he really just made the look more popular when he used it for his royal clients. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 03:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j168COa4015962 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1688scB014178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j163dAku084701; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j163d8vM084644 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.55.6c4601fb (4214) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <55.6c4601fb.2f36eb52@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:38:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question for the list.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! Hi, I'm new to the list, but I thought this link might be useful to you: _Istok Enterprises, Inc. :: Fabrics :: Brocade_ (http://www.istok.net/home.php?cat=676) They sell silk brocade, some of which is period-looking, if pricey. -- Tea Rose, who can't afford brocade but spends a lot of time staring at it and drooling on her keyboard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 03:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j168COkK015966 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j167csTB008274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j164UHAw015233; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j164TvjP015035 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19283 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:41:46 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:41:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <005901c50bf4$d2e0f0d0$0301010a@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, michaela wrote: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon2.jpg Thanks for posting this. I was writing from memory before, and forgot about the other costume element in this figure that screams "quite a bit later than 1430" to me: The partlet, very clearly rendered and fastening under the arms. I can't recall ever seeing that in anything from the early 15th c., but I know it does appear much later -- 16th c.? Out of my range of expertise, certainly. This, even more than the "princess" seam, is what made me wonder whether the figure was a later addition or restoration. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon1.jpg > This one is a bit more weird as they seem to converge into a middle seam. There are other weirdnesses about this image, too, including her oddly formed left arm. Does make me wonder whether someone had to cobble together a restoration job at a later date while retaining some intact parts. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 05:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16AW5VP027970 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16AV8Zj021705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16AUraJ023275; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16AUpaS023209 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22069 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:42:41 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:42:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Barbie? In-Reply-To: <032d01c50b8a$e1f8d2a0$4da810ac@Kate> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: ,