From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 21:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j212ltHq004195 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j212fHZj010458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j212duGh082198; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20225.mail.yahoo.com (web20225.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j212dsc4082169 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 93806 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 02:39:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20050301023954.93804.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.92] by web20225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:39:54 EST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:39:54 +1100 (EST) From: Bella To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <15b.4bbd1e79.2f551c7d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Italian showcase costume/costumer for March X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all, it is time for me to announce the March Italian Showcase costumer. 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Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 09:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21E9g2s007548 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21E8TZj011786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21E8ITU027338; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21E8GLc027074 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DCB9C206B7; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust114.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.114]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2175E2064E for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <057401c51e68$2fe05430$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15b.4bbd1e79.2f551c7d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:08:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Check each one, though--I looked at their silks, and some of them were ~70% rayon/30% silk. Plenty were 100%, though, so yeah, some decent prices. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 10:23:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21FNYCY007958 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21FMWZj017786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FMSYp083725; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FMQqO083687 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D69Cb-0006q2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:22:25 -0800 Message-ID: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:22:51 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need a source for this kind of dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi guys, I need a source for some black and silver striped dupioni which looks very much like this: http://tinyurl.com/5m3fx I have tried to contact this supplier to no avail. Anyone seen anything like it? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 11:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21G95Qj012629 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21G7iZj022493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21G7aAb023806; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21G77SQ023468 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.187] (p27.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.187]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21G4a719308 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:04:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:14:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oscars X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. She certainly has the body for it. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 11:44:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Gi1vk012988 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:44:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Gh5Zj026962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21GgtM4057070; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Ggpux056913 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.64.4ff57ca2 (4012) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I thought Cate Blanchett's dress was elegant, but didn't think the pale yellow color was particularly flattering--too monochromatic. And I heard a radio reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. I always look forward to the supermarket tabloid "Star" issue that shows many of the dresses, although I don't necessarily agree with their assessment of what was a winner and what was a loser. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21H3gtI013091 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21H2lZj029553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H1b0O073512; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H0m2k072688 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.196] (p36.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.196]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21GwI723088 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:58:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> References: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I didnt think the color was flattering either and I didn't like the purple or brown, whatever it was, belt. On Mar 1, 2005, at 9:42 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? > > > I thought Cate Blanchett's dress was elegant, but didn't think the pale > yellow color was particularly flattering--too monochromatic. And I > heard a radio > reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. > > I always look forward to the supermarket tabloid "Star" issue that > shows > many of the dresses, although I don't necessarily agree with their > assessment of > what was a winner and what was a loser. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HB4jQ013114 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:11:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HAIZj000343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HAD5l081067; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H3uNL075741 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.114] (pm7-114.eos.net [205.133.149.114]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j21H3ptH007938 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:58:03 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503011649.j21Gnj15063233@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: oscar fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had no interest in the Oscars this year. What a slate of movies! Who could really care? I watched for about half an hour in the middle, but not even the gowns could hold my interest. During the half hour I watched, I saw Beyonce in that long black dress. All right, I suppose, except for all the tin cans she was wearing as jewelry :-) So I will look for one of the tabloids to cover the dresses and take a peek then. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:24:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HOTbo013180 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:24:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HNXZj002304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HNRuS093275; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HNNj3093185 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26555 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Thread-Index: AcUeeSFjryaQjOwRQZ+fGZkNQTCz2wAB40Ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a broken foot?). Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:24:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HOov6013185 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HF3cf000798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H6V8I077722; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H3kIX075562 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22906 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:03:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:03:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcUecs6HY/iyaKGWThae77OFl0pSsQAC+Zkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. Does anyone know of anyone out there that carries such reproduction fabric in cotton or silk? Fabric with a small interwoven pattern, like a floral stripe or brocade in an 18th c pattern would also be great. Many thanks Cindy Abel brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:25:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HP8Mv013190 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HF3cd000798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H7pnc078878; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H7Zgu078616 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26555 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Thread-Index: AcUeeSFjryaQjOwRQZ+fGZkNQTCz2wAB40Ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a broken foot?). Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HUZM7013217 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HTgZj002994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HTdRo098799; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21HTXlR098666 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 17:29:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050301172550.014b4460@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:27:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric In-Reply-To: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> References: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:03 01/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > > Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls >designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic >costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns >designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my >copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However >I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century >fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE >and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown >the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they >drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines >of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry >shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. Does anyone know of anyone out there >that carries such reproduction fabric in cotton or silk? Fabric with a small >interwoven pattern, like a floral stripe or brocade in an 18th c pattern >would also be great. Nothing as fancy as the cherry stripe, but some pretty small prints nevertheless. And a really helpful lady. http://www.littletrimmings.com/FabricsMenu.asp Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Hk8pP013355 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:46:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Hj2Zj004715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HivXG011935; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HhlPb010884 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.105.5bbaefd1 (4402) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <105.5bbaefd1.2f5603c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 12:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: And I > heard a radio > reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. On AOL....via Entertainment Weekly...they decried Johnny Depp's spats. No spats in sight...nada, nicht, none. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HosVx013395 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Hj4ed004719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HfJct008943; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21HfGev008838 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail12.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.152]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBCKLKMAQV7VJ2 for (sender ); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn75i13zBYbQmLKekSVq3EJ2dtN7jt+YYeig== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KL2ABG7J; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:40:09 PST Received: from [4.158.21.221] by webmail12.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:39:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.21.221] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:39:44 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050301.094009.1265.11871@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3137793496 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought Hillary Swank's dress was amazing and fabulous. It was far more subtle than just having it cut down to 'there' in front. I loved the sapphire blue color and I loved the daring plunge it took in the back in contrast to the rather more demure front. It was perfectly designed to show off her body. I thought that Helen Mirren had a lovely dress as well, although you didn't get to see as much of it since she didn't win. I lked Imelda Staunton's emerald green number with the tea length front and train in back, unusual and, on her, very flattering. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:10:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JAYIE014433 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21J9EZj014507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21J8nst085405; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21J8I3O084984 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:08:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.c4.22252dbc (4402) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. Stupid me! I was thinking of Renee Zellweger's red dress... not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the front; trashy in the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:19:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JJaZG014520 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JF9d3015245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Iq6wp070127; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Iq2XQ069993 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.54]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050301185157.BEWX1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the match to her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to get a better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle Eastern dance gown. Sheridan http://www.ctv.ca/mini_v2/oscars2005/static/galleries/red_carpet/index.html To see the picture, click on the last star on the right, in the 4th row. If you right click the picture it should give you a zoom option. You can see the fabric puckering along the seam near the beads. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars > > > I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. > Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but > different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or > was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a > broken foot?). > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:20:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JJw43014524 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JIxZj016056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JHCZg092332; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21J9q8g086233 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55832 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 19:09:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lC5mSn4V975o34dfP344kq8FmPKtJn6y2QATXkfRGIWea+z4ExS+47XvfZT0SDwgMeuIlnVF4v/9whln8eTCvQN0j44lAcSDP411YQzZAdBSlxIUJNcgXaK4cRFhUOuKRSYYm36kfoJrJPP3MCDRhKyQyuJQ1jUbEGjgxdjA+1k= ; Message-ID: <20050301190946.55830.qmail@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:09:46 PST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cindy, Try here: www.reproductionfabrics.com or you can also try www.ghostforge.com. Really nice folk but a bit slow on delivery sometimes. Chris G. Cindy Abel wrote: Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. 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Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:28:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JSLAT014581 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JMPZj016634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JMN9Z096841; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JFNxb090803 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.17] (p01.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.17]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21JCsU00899 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:12:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. On Mar 1, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the > match to > her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to > get a > better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle > Eastern > dance gown. > > Sheridan > > http://www.ctv.ca/mini_v2/oscars2005/static/galleries/red_carpet/ > index.html > > To see the picture, click on the last star on the right, in the 4th > row. If > you right click the picture it should give you a zoom option. You can > see > the fabric puckering along the seam near the beads. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy Abel" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars > > >> >> >> I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few >> years. >> Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, >> but >> different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in >> back(or >> was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing >> with > a >> broken foot?). >> >> Cindy Abel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:29:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JT1Pd014588 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:29:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JR0Zj017182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JPiEc099378; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JLMmV096094 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6Cvp-00010z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <2193582.1109704881858.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:21:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What was with the wide popularity of the "mermaid" skirt? (I'm sure it has another name, but you know what I mean I'm sure.) At least one of the women presenters, can't remember who, was clearly having trouble walking in hers. Definitely a hobble around the knees--thought Women's Liberation included liberation from the inability to run away! Best outfit=Morgan Freeman's tux with long scarf. He looked like the relaxed and stylish gentleman he seems to be. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Mar 1, 2005 2:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. Stupid me! I was thinking of Renee Zellweger's red dress... not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the front; trashy in the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JZ5wB014648 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JYCZj017869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JXMWp005705; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JWiIo005114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j21JPDov021723 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:25:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:25:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:32:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars/nude fabric References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes > and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. I think probably 99% of the people watching won't realize it's fabric. They're likely thinking "is it going to fall off?" "Is it glued on?" The vicarious thrill, y'know. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JjKpA014695 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JhvZj019054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JhreL014672; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JhnSX014611 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.36] (p20.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.36]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21JfJU03904 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:41:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars/nude fabric Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:50:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could tell it was fabric when you saw the back up close because it wrinkled. And I'm sure a lot of people saw her up close before the show and at the parties. I just think it looks really cheap. On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes >> and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. > > I think probably 99% of the people watching won't realize it's fabric. > They're likely thinking "is it going to fall off?" "Is it glued on?" > The vicarious thrill, y'know. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 15:40:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21KeYO9015076 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21FFtZj017042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FFhOd078263; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FFfOV078239 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6964-0004Pl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:15:40 -0800 Message-ID: <42248737.3080804@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:16:07 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? References: <1a8.3270f0cb.2f55007b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a8.3270f0cb.2f55007b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lots of people do this. One of the ladies at Hyena (Sorry, I know some of you like them) went as far as to tell me that 100% silk velvet didn't really exist so it was justifiable to call rayon/silk velvet pure silk! Grrrrrr! AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:16:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: > >http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline > > >They have some other nice things, but why do people persist in calling a >fabric that is only 12% silk, "silk velvet'? NOT! > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 16:51:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Lp5Ti015676 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Lo2Zj003432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Lnomp021979; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tombstone.b.org.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21LnkDt021874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 9503 invoked by uid 1057); 1 Mar 2005 21:49:42 -0000 Received: from 203.79.122.104 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. 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(gold@203.79.122.104) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 21:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4224E373.5020905@where.else.net.nz> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:49:39 +1300 From: Melissa Brown Muckart User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found a site with some pics of Melanie Griffith's dress: http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800018809&cf=pg&photoid=563513&intl=us Sheridan, if you click on next and previous photos you'll see at least two shots that feature the back of her dress. Not exactly understated, was it? Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the match to > her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to get a > better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle Eastern > dance gown. > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 17:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21MrHWO016154 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Mp3Zj011615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21MnLxN074216; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21MmfOG073553 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.252]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050301224829.FSPK1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c51eb1$83a68460$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu><003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <4224E373.5020905@where.else.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:53:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Brown Muckart" > I found a site with some pics of Melanie Griffith's dress: > > http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800018809&cf=pg&photoid=563513&intl=us > > Sheridan, if you click on next and previous photos you'll see at least > two shots that feature the back of her dress. > > Not exactly understated, was it? Nope, which is what made me think it would be perfect for a stage outfit. :-) Thanks! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 19:58:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j220wRiZ016979 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j220vIZj025028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j220uqnl072208; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j220uk3N072085 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030200564001100sv72fe>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:56:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01c51ec2$b5d15210$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2193582.1109704881858.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:56:46 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What the press is calling the mermaid dress, is an hour-glass dress with a fantail. The bottom of the dress is the fantail.... think of a fantail goldfish. Mae West made this look fashionable in Hollywood. I liked the fantail when I saw the first couple of stars wearing it. But the look was worn by so many ladies, it became boring by the end of the pre-show. I liked Natalie Portman's Greek Goddess look. She can wear older styles and look wonderful. She is into vintage clothing and wears it frequently. I also loved Hilary's gown for being different and it hugged her body. It really showed what a great figure she has. I had to laugh when she was on Oprah yesterday. Someone on the red carpet told her that the crack of her butt was showing. On camera, Chad, her husband, checked and fixed the problem, while Hillary front was to the camera. When I saw Charlize's gown, it screamed 50s prom dresses. I always hated the rows and rows of net ruffles used in that manner. Even the bodice was 1950s prom. To complete the 50s look, she needed more of a crinoline petticoat in the front of the skirt. I think of all the gowns, I disliked hers the least. The only other dress that I disliked was Melanie Griffith. Her dress was much like her face... over-done. I can see her looking like Joan Rivers in 20 years. Kate's dress was a nice style, but I agree with Ann Wass, the color was wrong for her. Mentioning color, Renee needs to go back to being a blonde or brown hair. My husband walked into the room and said, "That girl needs some iron tablets. She looks sickly." Renee is too fair skinned to have jet black hair. I loved Emmy (from Phantom) and Beyonce looks. They were so classy. Star Jones had the best jewels. Her headpiece and necklace were stunning. I love the pearls mixed with jewels. BTW, the press reported that one of the ladies was wearing vintage Versace.... how is Versace vintage? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 22:08:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2238oWw017684 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22382Zj003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2237R3n047990; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2237NBD047860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j224JgbB024504 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:19:42 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:07:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503012207.17563.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 March 2005 11:14 am, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I seem > to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. She certainly has the body > for it. Over the past 10 years I have seen very, very few dresses from the Academy Awards that I wholeheartedly liked. (The last one I remember was from when Halle Berry won a few years back--the full plum skirt with cabbage roses over illusion net number). Swank's gown was much more attractive than average, but I thought the back opening was just a bit too wide to be graceful or attractive. Otherwise, her gown had a lot going for it. And Cate Blanchett should never, ever wear bright yellow judging by her dress. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 22:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j223ftIs017892 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j223fFZj006094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j223fBO2068821; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j223f9uY068762 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp231.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.231]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j223ertU009155 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:06 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20050301221838.00adff00@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:45:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century-Brunswick image In-Reply-To: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On page 175 of Stella Tillyard's "Aristocrats: the illustrated companion to the television series" there is a reproduction of a painting of Lady Mary Fox in a grey/blue? Brunswick c. 1767. The 18th century version of the "hoodie"! Self-fabric trimming is as equally elaborate as in the other styles of the period, such as the sack. I can't see this variation ever becoming popular at North American reenactments when most events take place in the summer when the average temperature is over 90 F. or 30 C. It's high-necked - higher than the version in Bjarne's picture - up to the base of the throat - so the wearer couldn't show off "the girls", which appears to be a preoccupation with many ladies. The painting definitely shows the line of the top of stays underneath, though. The costumes for the series seem mediocre and lots of the factoids are wrong, but some excellent images in the book if you find it in the remainder bin. Sheridan Alder At 10:08 AM 2/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. >Here are two examples of different dresses. The first is a Brunnswick >dress. Some people claim that a Brunswick only is a jacket, but it is a >dress also. This type was very popular in Denmark and Germany, perhaps >because it would have ben very nice warm for winter use.Next looks like a >francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think >it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. >Other types are: >Bodice and skirt in many variations, included paniers. >Round Gown, wich looks like a bodice and skirt, but it is a 1 piece garment. >Piemontaise wich is a dress that looks like a francaise dress, only the >pleats in the back hangs free. >Mantua and skirt. >One type also is a seperate skirt and a bodice with tabs wich rest on the >skirt edge. Tabs are not boned, but soft. >Closed with a stomacher. >But i think why people think there are very few types, are that only few >are reproduced. People love the pleats in a francaise dress and makes it >frequently. >One thing i was very dissapointed with was the film Aristocrats where >nearly every dress in the start was a francaise dress. > >Here are the examples: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pusling1.htm > > >Bjarne > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 00:19:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j225JeFP018308 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j225IjZj013126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j225IYXF023345; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j225ISNl023182 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j225HgJ9003378 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:18:10 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c51ee6$e42ea260$1593d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:20:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm reproducing the "polonaise gown with the back cut en fourreau" on page 36-37 of Patterns of Fashion 1. I've started my corset and expect to be finished within the next week or so but according to the notes the dress is supposed to be fitted over a 'false rump' so does anybody know of a good (online) pattern for this? I can't afford to import patterns so it's got to be 'big 3' or easy to draft on my own. I assume it isn't the same crescent shape used by Elizabethan costumers as it essentially only supposed to widen the hips at the sides but not add to the back. Although the originals are apparently stuffed with cork I assume padding with something softer would work as well? Or could I get away with not wearing a bum roll, given that I have natural padding there instead :) thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. 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Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 01:16:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j226GVCX018515 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:16:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j226FFZj016526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226F99j054627; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226F66v054525 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.dc.214e538a (3890) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:14:55 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: rump' so does anybody know of a good (online) pattern for this? C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. In Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume, on page 27, she has a pattern. The crescent is 4" deep CB. It is 5 1/2 wide from CB to the outermost part of the curve. To plot it, draw a rectangle 5 1/2" wide and 8" tall. Grid it in 1" squares. Put a point 2" in from the right side at the top. Now a point on the right side 3" down. Now one 6" down and 1" left from the right side. One 7" down and 2" left, and finally one at the bottom left corner. Draw a curve connecting these. This is the outside curve, The inside curve starts at the same top point [2" left of the right side], then goes thru a point 3" down and 3" left, then ends at a point all the way to the left side 4" down. This is the right half of the full crescent shape of the pad. [You cut two full crescents and sew them and stuff them like a pillow.] This sounds complicated but it's not. You'll get it at once when you start plotting points. You may want to enlarge it or curve it more to suit your taste, but you don't really need a pattern. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 01:52:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j226q2bX018680 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j226oeZj018332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226oSN1071969; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao08.cox.net (lakermmtao08.cox.net [68.230.240.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226oPNc071898 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:50:18 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050227183953.014b3808@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcUc/P6sSxreapyqRBqK7RTjmAlczgB9pf2w Message-Id: <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I use an iron-on interfacing, "sta-flex" here, and just cut the slashes >where I want them. I have also used Fraycheck. You can see slashed sleeves >(doublet and breeches too) on my website - these were done with sta-flex. >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=fantasy_ramirez_katana.jpg >Suzi Hi Suzi, Does this mean that you can just cut the slashes and not have to do any other finishing around each one? Thanks, Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 02:05:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2275T13020194 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:05:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2274vZj018834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2274rjC079135; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out-mail10.yourhostingaccount.com (mail2.yourhostingaccount.com [38.113.1.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2274pnG079118 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SRS0=7cO+CU=RM=grapeleafpatterns.com=jreed@yourhostingaccount.com) Message-Id: <200503020704.j2274pnG079118@net.indra.com> Received: from scan01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.231] helo=scan01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mail10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0000C3-N3 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] ident=exim) by scan01.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0001LN-It for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] helo=authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0001LK-Cx for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from wbar1.sea1-4-5-021-208.sea1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.5.21.208] helo=random) by authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1D6Nub-0000vM-VI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 From: "Jaedyn" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:04:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000201c51ee6$e42ea260$1593d6cb@ewalpole> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUe5+xCgHCGQgwYQ9ucNoeb+T9e3gADepnA X-UserInfo: 063161efdcd54e4332a0dd3f43c99766:6f0d78befc2f1b39f5a2bb04339ac068 X-User: jreed@grapeleafpatterns.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could also pad the pleats if you weren't into sewing the crescent form. Check Drea Leed's Elizabethan costuming page and you'll find a pattern there I think. You can enlarge it to suit the period. Jaedyn ---------------------- Grape Leaf Patterns http://www.grapeleafpatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 04:22:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j229MIfj021527 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 04:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j229LPZj000747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j229LE2R051670; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j229L7eQ051495 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 09:20:51 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050302091316.014b4468@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:18:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 In-Reply-To: <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050227183953.014b3808@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:48 02/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >I use an iron-on interfacing, "sta-flex" here, and just cut the slashes > >where I want them. I have also used Fraycheck. You can see slashed sleeves > >(doublet and breeches too) on my website - these were done with sta-flex. > > >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=fantasy_ramirez_katana.jpg > > >Suzi > >Hi Suzi, > >Does this mean that you can just cut the slashes and not have to do any >other finishing around each one? >Thanks, Anne Yes, depending on the fabric. I did the one on the web site with no finishing, but the recent copy I made wasn't so friendly, which is when I used fraycheck. Good quality cotton dress velvet is fine, but the rayon velvet isn't so good. If you want you can use Fraycheck, or you can also use diluted PVA glue, which I have used on 18th pinked hems. You just have to watch that the colour doesn't run - the rayon did run, but didn't affect the finish. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:02:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22A2oQd001656 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22A0mZj007204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22A0jdF069857; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22A0WaV069750 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005030210002601200rptbje>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:00:26 +0000 Message-ID: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:00:29 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Great film photo site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j22A2oQd001656 Status: RO I found this great website with photos from recent movies, http://outnow.ch/movies/ . They have more photos than any other site I have found. Choose a movie then click on Media from the left menu... bilder is the movie photos. Once you click on a thumbnail and get the enlargement, look for an icon in the upper right hand corner. This will enlarge the photo again. If you try to print one of these X-large photos, make sure to do a print preview first. The images are larger than a standard sheet of paper. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:11:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22AB9f0002606 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22AAYZj008636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AAVrx075027; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AAUYS074954 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005030210102401200rsn51e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:10:26 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My goodness, look at this set from the film Alexander, http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/2004/Alexander/?i=movie%2E1%2F14%2Ejpg&w=1400&h=912&full=1&print=1 Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22AKtjN003820 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:20:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22AKOZj010405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AKLS1079896; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AKKTI079814 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005030210201201400s62pue>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:20:12 +0000 Message-ID: <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:20:14 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found the master list of films, http://outnow.ch/archive/Movies/ . When you click on a title, scroll to the right and look for the word "bilder" or "bild" for a photo link. I am really enjoying these very large images. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CMFKC020370 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22CLMZj015331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CLEWk041083; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CLCM7040964 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7f.590079ff (17377) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:21:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 10:10:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: (The last one I remember was from when Halle Berry won a few years back--the full plum skirt with cabbage roses over illusion net number). Looked very elegant until you saw that her bosom were fully visible--not my idea of elegance or class!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:37:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CbaU4020454 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22CaqZj017010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CamLE049603; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CaiVV049471 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A353463E0058; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:36:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Mar 05 12:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c51f24$a72daf80$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:37:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heck, back in the primitive days when the look was what mattered for a NoBudget show, I used a leg from pantyhose and loosely stuffed a section big enough to fit to the sides, tied it in the middle. After knotting the end, I attached two ties and "voila!" It did look strange, but had the desired effect. (And another way to recycle) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > (online) pattern for this? > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. > > In Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume, on page 27, she has a pattern. The crescent > is 4" deep CB. It is 5 1/2 wide from CB to the outermost part of the curve. > > To plot it, draw a rectangle 5 1/2" wide and 8" tall. Grid it in 1" > squares. Put a point 2" in from the right side at the top. Now a point on the right > side 3" down. Now one 6" down and 1" left from the right side. One 7" down > and 2" left, and finally one at the bottom left corner. Draw a curve connecting > these. This is the outside curve, > > The inside curve starts at the same top point [2" left of the right side], > then goes thru a point 3" down and 3" left, then ends at a point all the way > to the left side 4" down. > > This is the right half of the full crescent shape of the pad. [You cut two > full crescents and sew them and stuff them like a pillow.] > > This sounds complicated but it's not. You'll get it at once when you start > plotting points. > > > You may want to enlarge it or curve it more to suit your taste, but you > don't really need a pattern. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CiAru020487 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:44:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22ChbZj017384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22ChY3T053292; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22ChVQ7053239 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4ED45FE0046; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:43:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Mar 05 12:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c51f25$9bb35780$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503020704.j2274pnG079118@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:44:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As to padding , I have been using the ubiquitous shoulder pads for this purpose (recycle-recycle-recycle) after recovering them with fabric to match the garment. Kathleen, who has a mammoth collection of cast off shoulderpads. At one time I considered making a whole gown of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaedyn" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > You could also pad the pleats if you weren't into sewing the crescent form. > Check Drea Leed's Elizabethan costuming page and you'll find a pattern there > I think. You can enlarge it to suit the period. > > > Jaedyn > > > > > ---------------------- > Grape Leaf Patterns > http://www.grapeleafpatterns.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 11:13:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22GD1Zu021771 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:13:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22GB0Zj002141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22GAY1i097727; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22GARBa097620 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:10:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10860 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:10:35 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1189.24.4.69.40.1109779825.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I found the master list of films, http://outnow.ch/archive/Movies/ . When > you click on a title, scroll to the right and look for the word "bilder" > or > "bild" for a photo link. I am really enjoying these very large images. Just a hint for everyone regarding this website...Since it isn't American, the title of a movie you might be searching for could be different. If you look up the movie you are interested in using the Internet Movie Data Base (www.imdb.com), it will give you the alternative titles (mainly for diff. European countries) for a film. So if you can't find what the title you are looking for at first, give that a try and you might find it listed under a different title. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 11:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22GvUfN022316 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:57:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22GukZj007203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22Gueeu040469; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22GuaCT040275 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j22GuPsJ016002 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:56:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050302111408.04607a30@mail.webwarren.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:44:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j22GuaCT040275 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the moment, I'm listing these privately -- here and through the the swapsell, costumetrader, and garb4sale lists. Most are in fairly good condition, with little wear, though the dust jackets aren't in *perfect* shape. I've used Amazon to give an idea of the list-price-new and shipping weight where available. Shipping is not included in those prices. I'll accept offers privately. PayPal (through Frank) would be ideal, but will negotiate other payment methods if required. Caravaggio Catherine Puglisi (Phaidon, 1998, 2000) ISBN 0-7148-3966-3 Shipping weight 4.3 lb List price $39.99 Biography of Caravaggio with lots of good details of important paintings. Many rarely-seen paintings of both Caravaggio and other artists. Colour Library: Dürer Martin Bailey (Phaidon, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2001) ISBN 0-7148-3334-7 Shipping weight 1.2 lb list price $9.95 Lots of sketches and color plates. Heaven in Art Erika Langmuir (National Gallery, London/Watson-Guptill Publications (BPI Communications), New York, 1998) ISBN 0-8230-0334-5 Shipping weight 9.6 oz list price $3.98 13th-17th Centuries Italy (various), Flanders, Germany, Spain. Various artists. Images and details of a limited number of religious art works. Masterpieces of Western Art From the Gothic to the Present Day (A history of art in 900 individual studies) Ingo F. Walther, ed. (Taschen) 3-8228-7031-5 Shipping weight 9.4 lb list price $49.99 Most are half-page images of paintings. A lot of the usual crop, but some that don't appear everywhere. Italian Paintings of the Sixteenth Century (National Gallery Schools of Painting) Allan Braham (The National Gallery; Collins, 1985) ISBN 0-00-217402-2 16th Century Italy. Large plates of a limited number of paintings shown -- the volume is meant to be representative, not exhaustive. SHOWS SIGNS OF WEAR. Masters of German Art: Hans Holbein Stephanie Buck (Könemann, 1999) ISBN 3-8290-2583-1 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Lots of great details from important paintings Masters of Italian Art: Ghirlandaio Andreas Quermann (Könemann, 1998) ISBN 3-8290-0248-3 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Lots of great details from important paintings Masters of Netherlandish Art: Pieter Bruegel Christian Vöhringer (Könemann, 1999) ISBN 3-8290-2579-3 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Bruegel the Elder and others Lots of engravings. Mixture of fantasy/phantasmagorical and real subjects. MISSING DUST JACKET. Paintings in the National Gallery, London Linda Whiteley, Augusto Gentili, William L. Barcham (Bulfinch Press , 2000) ISBN 821226959 Shipping weight 9.8 lb list price $135.00 Antiquity to 20th Cent., mostly European. Lots of large, good-quality plates suitable for detail work. STILL HAS ORIGINAL CORRUGATED CARTON The Prado Santiago Alcolea (Blanch Abradale Press/Harry N. 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(Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York/Arnoldo Mondadori Editore, Verona, 1977) ISBN 0-87099-164-7 Antiquity to 15th Cent. Ireland. Large color photos and plates, mostly ancient Irish and through the 8th-9th Centuries CONDITION: fair to "reading copy"; originally purchased second-hand. Extreme Beauty: The Body Transformed (hardbound) Harold Koda (The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2001) ISBN 0-300-09117-6 Shipping weight 2.9 lb List price $40.00 1600 to present, various countries. Large color photos of bodices, stays, puffed sleeves, petticoats, hoop skirts, etc. Some plates of corresponding paintings and engravings. Mostly OOP for SCA. Fashion in Detail - From the 17th and 18th Centuries (hardbound) Avril Hart and Susan North (Rizzoli International, 1998) ISBN 0-8478-2151-X Shipping weight 3.4 lb List price $60 (lowest price on Amazon is $80!) Detailed photos of under and outer garments, both in the whole and up-close mostly 1600-1800, mostly English A History of Beads From 30,000 BC to the Present, Concise Edition (paperback) Lois Sherr Dubin (Harry N. Abrams, New York, 1995) ISBN 0-8109-2617-2 Shipping weight 1.7 lb List price $19.95 Antiquity through present all over the globe. Large photos of beaded artworks. Photos, history, uses of beads. Most info OOP for SCA. Art of Embroidery: History of Style and Technique Lanto Synge (Royal School of Needlework/Antique Collectors' Club, Woodbridge, England, 2001) ISBN 1-85149-359-X Shipping weight 4.3 lb List price $89.50 (Ł45) Antiquity to 20th Cent. Various countries, mostly English Lots of color photos and descriptions. Wales: A History Gwynfor Evans (Barnes & Noble, 1996) ISBN 0-7607-0120-2 Celtic to 20th Century Wales. Translated from the Welsh (original title: Land of My Fathers, published 1974). VIRGIN: Prelude to the Throne Robin Maxwell (Scribner Paperback Fiction (Simon and Schuster), 2001) ISBN 0-7432-0485-9 Shipping weight 9.6 oz List price $12.00 Tudor England, period of Edward VI. Fictional account of Elizabeth's life under Thomas Seymour Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 13:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22IqVnD023702 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22Io8Zj018584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22InjQv033954; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22Indu6033802 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030218493401300qf818e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:49:34 +0000 Received: from [128.95.163.70] by 204.127.197.115; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:33 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books for sale Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:33 +0000 Message-Id: <030220051849.10354.42260ABD000A33170000287222007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great idea! I'm moving will be posting books for sale this weekend. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 15:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22Ke102024434 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:40:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22KctZj029466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22KcWTU026120; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22KcQMi025938 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030220382001100svf89e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:38:28 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. I have the old magazines for Oscar fashions. When I come across her photo, I will let you know. I do recall Gwenth's pink gown that was lovely and Julia R. black and white vintage Valentine gown was to die for. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 16:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22L2mvS024573 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22L26Zj002288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L1rkp046572; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41828.mail.yahoo.com (web41828.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.162]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22L1jND046403 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96581 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2005 21:01:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cx8eyc9GIVgpnYrQAqOP6zqg2gwTHNWjCJA6iAmUiR2qHq4rlGYrc3vdWzdJH6XIZz525X70GWocYxJgstY1e4DMPK1p7RIGlA2mZ+frdXxH4Aa2jOHgteS1JehfyLKZiZ4mPj/WmIu3K8VuGIXD0nIeUS+9kFWza4KcjiO6DBE= ; Message-ID: <20050302210139.96579.qmail@web41828.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41828.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:01:39 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002b01c51f24$a72daf80$715183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How imaginative and "kamakazi/gonzo" costuming was that! Tho necessatie has always been the mother of invention right? I remember reading about the ladies on the American Parairie using a lage tin can,both ends cut off,strung thru with cord and tied around the waist to make a bustle when there was no "Macy's West" to go to to get the right look. I am guilty of making paniers for my DD'd little Bo Peep cossie out of plastic grocery bags,stuffed with other bags clipping open the handles, and retieing them around her waist.( I've even considered those large baskin robbins ice cream tubs,split in half, plus side, you get to empty thoses tubs) Melody --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Heck, back in the primitive days when the look was > what mattered for a NoBudget show, I used a leg from pantyhose and loosely stuffed a section big > enough to fit to the sides, tied it in the middle. > After knotting the end,> I attached two ties and "voila!" It did look> strange, but had the desired > effect. (And another way to recycle) > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > > > > > > rump' does anybody know of a good > > (online) pattern for this? > > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 16:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22L5lWb024607 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22L51Zj002594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L50P9049434; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L4rWX049309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j22KvKov002362 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:57:20 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:57:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42262A73.3080608@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:04:51 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars References: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men will be in fashion. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 17:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22MCfrL024997 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22MBTZj009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MB9in008780; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MAvB9008536 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030222105201500l4m0le>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:10:52 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.45] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:51 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:51 +0000 Message-Id: <030220052210.5625.422639EB0008C383000015F922069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooohhhh! What a tanalizing thought.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. > > The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men > will be in fashion. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 17:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22MYqnH025142 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22MYCZj012010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MVfCH025600; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52805.mail.yahoo.com (web52805.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22MUIRo024014 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44943 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2005 22:30:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=da5CQSo4OpppVQ7Mfq4j+mjyJmvA70qKpTOdJgs6OKJaHSWYXC7YSdswpRR22lnPwhXMnyHweagpTBKDTPrJ7HXXMyAfB6qAWRQLykdjmpf8fpZXB5n8d4QdOegnhh3KHImd8EA7iMaIBKoIJWbzNk0cE4m+2u3iX+oytt5MIXQ= ; Message-ID: <20050302223012.44941.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:30:12 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42262A73.3080608@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >> If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. >The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men >will be in fashion. Heaven forfend! :) KP --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 22:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j233UdrX026670 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j233TiZj007559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j233SE1I036187; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j233S2kO035998 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53965 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2005 03:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050303032757.53963.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:27:56 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry Lyndon" were any good? I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey .... Do you see a pattern here, yes I like the look... I figure, if all men wore these clothes, wars would never be fought. ( can you just see some guy in a big wig ,tricorn, petticoat breeches,lace boot toppers,sleeve lace ,jabot and frock coat squaring off {Picture Robert Dinero tricked out}"You looking at me?, ,you looking at me Punk?" Opposite side, Clint Eastwood" Go ahead-make my day,Fop) Back to reality, Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 23:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j234Z4UQ027021 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:35:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j234Y7Zj012002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j234XpBB075301; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j234XmaR075266 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:33:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.6.155] (helo=boris) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6i20-0004U4-3I for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:33:48 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Kg08Abfw4uLH3nxnrVJ6lS9yNb9Sh95M/oOmbtZ5HWA9QIRIoCjB/3jz/4YHFLbJ; Message-ID: <014301c51faa$3380fd40$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050303032757.53963.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:33:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4829248953a2d8fc051dad2da00a4cabbfdf4dea5d24d49372350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.155 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (snip) > Do you see a pattern here, yes I like the look... > I figure, if all men wore these clothes, wars would > never be fought. > ( can you just see some guy in a big wig ,tricorn, > petticoat breeches,lace boot toppers,sleeve lace > ,jabot and frock coat squaring off {Picture Robert > Dinero tricked out}"You looking at me?, ,you looking > at me Punk?" Opposite side, Clint Eastwood" Go > ahead-make my day,Fop) > > Back to reality, > Melody Oh, but they did....the era you're speaking of was rife with warfare and private dueling of all sorts. I do historic rapier combat and the 17th and 18th centuries were the height of the dueling age. I do love the costumes, though, and think that men do look womderful in them. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2354ORr027182 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2353bZj014087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2353YZB094147; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2353VB5094087 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.30.6d80386a (4328) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <30.6d80386a.2f57f49c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/2/2005 4:05:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1125349040.72e230@thibault.org writes: Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men will be in fashion. Remember the 1950s nylon shirts? They were sheer. I don't remember if ALL guys wore T/undershirts beneath. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2357qaA027211 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:07:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2357BZj014335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2357A5g096344; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23546f5094403 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.6.400b422b (25711) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <6.400b422b.2f57f4be@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2005 4:27:34 PM Central Standard Time, irmgart@gmail.com writes: http://tinyurl.com/5pgc9 the Irish over is is similar to mine, but the sleeves of the underdress are more fitted. I have saved those sites you sent. They willhelp in the future, finally got the backbone to tell a few friends I didn't care to compete just wanted to sew, but that may change and at that time will need the sites everyone has been so nice to send. thanks for your help and interest of a beginner. sincerely theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j235PdQx027300 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:25:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j235P4Zj015641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235Oxg5008125; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235Ovp9008037 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030305245101500l0e0ge>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c51fb1$57452970$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:24:57 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Film Costume help for Chicago X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j235PdQx027300 Status: RO If you are a fan of the film Chicago and own the DVD or video... I really need some help. I have some photos of an exhibit of the film's costumes. I have one lady's costume that is very detailed but can't seem to find the costume in the film. It is sticking in my mind, that it is in the film, but I can't figure out where. If you would like to take a stab at trying to find this costume in the film, please email off list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:47:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j235lSYW027388 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j235kmZj017168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235kdji023332; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235kaQb023265 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7e.6484491b (4539) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.6484491b.2f57feb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:46:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 03/02/05 10:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry Lyndon" were any good? I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. The costumes from "Barry Lyndon", IMO, were very good. If you are familiar with portraits of the time period, you can see where some of the costumes were copied from the portraits. Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey Other than the fact that "Brotherhood of the Wolf" had a lot of fantasy elements about it, the costumes were good. I remember that the movie was a lot better than I thought it would be. It played at the local mutliplex for a long time. The costumes in "Restoration" were very well done. A first-class film, IMO. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 01:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j236coPb027632 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j236cBZj020162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j236bqIW053681; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j236bj8s053569 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 06:37:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050303063058.014b51e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:35:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about In-Reply-To: <7e.6484491b.2f57feb1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:46 03/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/02/05 10:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: > >I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was >before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. >Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry >Lyndon" were any good? >I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. > >The costumes from "Barry Lyndon", IMO, were very good. If you are familiar >with portraits of the time period, you can see where some of the costumes >were >copied from the portraits. > >Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The >Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. I studied a couple of these to copy for a customer. Based on originals, but gussied up for the film. I was told that the designer had based one of the garments on a coat in Kyoto, but I couldn't find anything the same. >Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey This was designed by James Aitcheson, of "Dangerous Liasons" fame. He is generally considered to be spot on with shapes and styles, but I felt this was the "fussy" end of fashion rather than the more simple - all petticoat breeches and ribbon trim. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 04:28:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j239SoAY002698 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:28:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j239S0Zj007836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j239Roku045600; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j239RjYN045111 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j239R3x06677.; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:27:08 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:27:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:26:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 03:27:56 >>> wrote: > I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was >before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. > Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry >Lyndon" were any good? >I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. (Eagerly sticks hand up) I have first-hand knowledge of the "Barry Lyndon" costumes, though I'm not an expert on the 18th century. In 1977, when there were fewer reenactment societies than there are now, the Sealed Knot, who normally do English Civil War, were lent redcoat uniforms from the "Barry Lyndon" costumes in order to put on an event commemorating John Paul Jones's raid on Whitehaven in 1777. (Actually the military scenes in the film are set a little earlier than that, I think around 1750.) Some of us enjoyed it so much that we formed a sub-group and put on 18th century mini-events for several years afterwards. The late David Chandler, the historian, who had charge of the costumes, let some of us borrow civilian clothes as well. I had a dress complete with side hoops and a pair of stays. The dress was made of a striped curtain material, used inside out so that the colours were muted. (It was worn by one of the attendants on Lady Lyndon in the bathing scene.) As far as I know the cut and underpinnings were authentic. The uniforms came in two qualities depending on how near the camera the wearer had been. The "other ranks" uniforms were not scarlet but a dull brick-red colour, in accordance with the fact that, in period, a cheaper dye was used for them than for officers' uniforms. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th cent. reenactor ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 12:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23H7RZA000364 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:07:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23H5jZj010347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23H5QWE047004; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j23H5MiK046853 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64781 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2005 17:05:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ll+KjrYNl7HcP0J+8UIWjz8iMcHvgnU6hPH/7oVFfTI3E8j9HRnM5EMDlnUp2gSafJpO1IVl5+92K7EVreq7svzJXb9DbJmYz5G52Ir8Zr4fQzEktmA9umIgZdSJfXSurBovGCwvurvlIn9+N+3IK2P860BDPWnHVobjIdblm3c= ; Message-ID: <20050303170516.64779.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:05:16 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few ) films I've wondered about.... Kate & Barry Lyndon To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 03:27:56 > >>> wrote: > SNIP >> > Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry > >Lyndon" were any good? > ***Hi Kate,thanks for replying*** > (Eagerly sticks hand up) I have first-hand knowledge > of the "Barry Lyndon" costumes, > b-group and put on 18th century > . The late David Chandler, the historian, > who had charge of the costumes, let some of us borrow civilian clothes as well. **** Lucky you!**** I had a dress complete with side hoops and a pair of stays. The dress was made of a striped curtain material, used inside out so that the colours were muted. *** Do you remember the cut of the dress? was it a 2 piece unit (bodice & skirt) or was it 1 piece( bodice with skirt attached)?Since it was a"costume" I wondered if they did seperates to fit more then 1 actress. Was the bodice waist and back both pointed? Laced in the back or on the sided,or front pinned? Did it have a stomacher? ANy info you can remember is great!**** It was worn by one of the attendants on Lady > Lyndon in the bathing scene.) As far as I know the cut and underpinnings were authentic. >> > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th cent. reenactor > ***Thanks Kate,Hope you tookpictures, if you did will you share?**** Melody > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 12:50:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23HotS3000707 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23Ho2Zj014818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23HlhJG084732; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23HktiK084091 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so1121444wri for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=s4WVhANHAjea+rblkHE8LHsSHYCcXnJnJK+tbevR6xYWz7U63krGJUP2ax/CMXjvt5zUtScHrFZqdrJawkstkb7lPPwFdC+QX8P9BHYhSRBMklu3pyHxOe0lBG9hkUhHYe/GHLwbA1AfJb547u9OzPxn7QG0Yi/49G/Pqvdf1Q4= Received: by 10.54.63.7 with SMTP id l7mr89655wra; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id g3sm328640wra.2005.03.03.09.46.47; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050303171502.18583.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23HktiK084091 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to the OED: A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 The mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Hi All, In reading a book on cloting of the past they described a sleeve as being "Mahoitered"..... What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 13:46:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23IkOpQ001138 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23IjJZj020716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:45:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23IiwWO032890; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j23IiIfx032248 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 6963 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 18:44:27 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:27 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1340.24.4.69.40.1109875458.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> References: <20050303171502.18583.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > According to the OED: > > A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose > of > increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > > 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out > with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during > the > fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > The > mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > > Joanna So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 13:56:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23IuSgc001206 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23IsnZj021800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Iskg2041823; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23IseWE041706 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21248 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:54:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503031854.MAA21248@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:54:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUgGbti6MbVc4DKSJez6/E2WTtBcgAB4uMA In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23IseWE041706 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've also seen the term spelled Malhoitres or Malhoitered. I've seen it mentioned in English fashion magazines. It was kind of a mannered way of specifying sleeves that were padded out to resemble the similar mid-late fifteenth century sleeves as worn by the rich and fashionable males only. The Romantic era(1820-1840) in England and France was very big on bringing medieval and Renaissance influences back into fashion in clothing and art. Hope this helps Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joanna Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:47 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained According to the OED: A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 The mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Hi All, In reading a book on cloting of the past they described a sleeve as being "Mahoitered"..... What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 14:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23JXCKw001486 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23JV1Zj025257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23JUtsW075153; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23JUqr5075079 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.74.4ead3e48 (4560) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <74.4ead3e48.2f58bfe8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:30:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Term I need explained To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 1:47:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Perhaps only in eras where the shoulder line is really exaggerated? Right now, I would say the padding is just to give a smooth line, but not particularly full. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 16:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23Lxwcs002660 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23LwvZj010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23LvAoJ098416; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Lu4Ma097578 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6yIe-000760-00; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:56:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23Lu4Ma097578 Cc: dfeigenson@mail.fairfield.edu X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." Back to dictionary: The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: [< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Diana Habra Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > According to the OED: > > A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose > of > increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > > 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out > with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during > the > fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > The > mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > > Joanna So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 18:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23N2KbJ003214 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:02:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23N1MZj016742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23N1DWM054740; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23N16qI054627 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6zJa-00073k-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <42279738.4010604@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:01:12 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained References: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how big they were! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." > >Back to dictionary: >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] > >According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > >>According to the OED: >> >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>of >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >> >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>the >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>The >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >> >>Joanna >> >> > >So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 19:05:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2405wlI003809 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2400rap023018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Ng0re088460; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23NfvlA088316 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD183C6BB for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:40:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:41:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] have a look at this costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 Is that a historical design or what? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 19:28:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j240SGkt003976 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j240RiZj025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j240QjQ2023305; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j240QMqg022940 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from mail.ntw.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j240Njs15257 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 Received: from 206.124.3.63 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sylvia); by mail.ntw.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> In-Reply-To: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume From: sylvia@ntw.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > Did you check out the seller's other item for sale? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=5562898198&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I think someone else has too much time on his hands. Sylrog > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 20:16:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j241GqHr004473 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j241FvZj028679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241FclN052809; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241FZcP052783 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D71Pj-0005Qg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:15:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j241FZcP052783 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd love to see a some pictures. --RAB -----Original Message----- From: Wicked Frau Sent: Mar 3, 2005 6:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how big they were! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." > >Back to dictionary: >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ?shoulder, upper arm?; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] > >According to the OED, the term ?hoity-toity? didn?t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: ?romping? and the ?assumption of superiority, ?airs?, huffiness.? The American Heritage dictionary defines ?hoity-toity? as ?puffed up, pompous??so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of ?hoity-toity? (only mentioned are words meaning ?high?) is this stuffed-shirt ?mahoitre?? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > >>According to the OED: >> >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>of >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >> >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>the >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>The >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >> >>Joanna >> >> > >So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 20:28:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j241ShYE004581 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j241S4Zj029466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241S07A061214; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241Rvrv061151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242eOdE015004 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:40:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:27:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> In-Reply-To: <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503032027.50959.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 March 2005 7:23 pm, sylvia@ntw.net wrote: > > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=81749504 > >85&rd=1 > > > > Is that a historical design or what? And the best part is that it's the only design I've ever seen that's correct for all periods. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 21:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242ImDa005123 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j242HoZj002974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242Hfkk093340; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242Hd7G093316 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D72Nn-0003QU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:17:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is one: http://www.forum-hes.nl/forum/main_stocklist.phtml/view/5959?view=yes I had forgotten that I posted a very similar query in 2003 to several lists. I am looking for other pictures. Could have sworn I had a whole collection of them...now I must find them! A quest! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I'd love to see a some pictures. --RAB > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wicked Frau >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 6:01 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > >Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's >jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have >constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you >some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how >big they were! > >Sg > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > >>Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). >> >>Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." >> >>Back to dictionary: >>The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >>[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ?shoulder, upper arm?; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] >> >>According to the OED, the term ?hoity-toity? didn?t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: ?romping? and the ?assumption of superiority, ?airs?, huffiness.? The American Heritage dictionary defines ?hoity-toity? as ?puffed up, pompous??so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of ?hoity-toity? (only mentioned are words meaning ?high?) is this stuffed-shirt ?mahoitre?? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) >> >>Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? >> >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >>scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Diana Habra >>Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >>To: Historical Costume >>Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>According to the OED: >>> >>>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>>of >>>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >>> >>> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>>the >>>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>>The >>>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >>> >>>Joanna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >>You know how the shoulders are padded internally? >> >>Diana >> >>www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>"Everything for the Costumer" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 21:59:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242xwMk005429 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j242xBZj005469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242x6gG018646; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242wk0t018379 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12c.58c9ddfe (4418) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.58c9ddfe.2f5928de@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 7:23:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd =1 Aren't they lovely? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2437TRC005485 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2436rZj005985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2436oax023424; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2436m3N023406 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2436QRt027663 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050303185645.025960c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:57:26 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume In-Reply-To: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > >Is that a historical design or what? Ooh, look at all the embroidery. Look at the beautiful fabric. Etc. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j243AGfL005502 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2439lZj006191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2439kqm025295; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2439h1r025162 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from webmail.iimetro.com.au (www01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.15]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id j2439UPv027534; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:30 +1100 From: ewalpole@iimetro.com.au To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:30 +1100 Message-Id: <4227d16ad44bb7.79812774@iimetro.com.au> References: X-Authenticated-IP: [150.203.2.85] X-Sender: ewalpole@mail.iimetro.com.au X-Mailer: PHPost 1.10 (http://webgadgets.com/phpost/) X-Info-1: Report spam to abuse@iimetro.com.au MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > (online) pattern for this? > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. Ah so it is the same shape as the bum roll Elizabethan costumers like to use, I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. If that's all it is I may as well make use of the bumroll in Simplicity 8881 (the shakespeare in Love dress) as I've used the bodice and sleeve sections of the pattern but nothing else. Thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:13:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j243DEcp005523 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j243ChZj006407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j243CeSc027235; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j243Cb8i027206 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from webmail.iimetro.com.au (www01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.15]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id j243CZZs027792 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:35 +1100 From: ewalpole@iimetro.com.au To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:35 +1100 Message-Id: <4227d223b21eb3.26582159@iimetro.com.au> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> X-Authenticated-IP: [150.203.2.85] X-Sender: ewalpole@mail.iimetro.com.au X-Mailer: PHPost 1.10 (http://webgadgets.com/phpost/) X-Info-1: Report spam to abuse@iimetro.com.au MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > > > > Dawn Sure it is, nakedness is always period it's other people's reaction to that nakedness that changes between time periods and cultures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 23:19:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j244JsUG005883 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244IoZj011114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244IP6q067669; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244IJkr067584 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j244IFHJ010443 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:17:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dylon dye X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings. I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. Help, please! Thanks so much. kate PS--the package says that it's a permanent dye. Just how permanent is permanent? I know that Rit often bleeds... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 23:59:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j244x1Ra006104 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244wLZj013624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244wFDS089511; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244wEmf089490 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244wDop031814 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050303205003.025b9bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:53:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye In-Reply-To: <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone >dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for >using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water dye in the US? I can't anymore. I find Dylon permanent and true to color - if it says black, it means black, etc. And you can dye plastic buttons with it, if you simmer them in the dye bath for like half an hour. You can either get the color you want or a good tint of it, depending on the plastic of the button. I even made white plastic dice look like bone ones, using Dylon, for use at Ren. Faire. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 00:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2456j34006154 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:06:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24569Zj014124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24564mg094583; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24563cT094512 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21583 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2005 05:05:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=biCgEWQUhxvpvkHcw+NRecydcOH2aV18OpQHmJ4FxFx410hFj60DvlSn2ssCQ/+iciPRWBYGtzfS8LGRpOXE+0cwToW4UX8G79Tiu25SwSHPA1Bcxncq5oJGZZdxAnQXHZdfcev4fIcGolGEhCJOJAOdNxxITaUy3xpP5SZHWYU= ; Message-ID: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:05:56 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained ..."hello, I think I got left out....." To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42279738.4010604@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello? (waves) That was my "word" and question. So, could you please send me thoses examples too....as the original book I found the word in had pen & ink drawings of sleeves I would have called "paned"or "those stuft roll thingys at the sleeve heads" and refered to them as "mahoitered". Melody --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what > we do to men's > jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period > portraiture and have > constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you > like I can send you > some pictures of them....I think you might be a > little surprised at how > big they were! > > Sg > > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read > these postings in my office in the English > department of my university and immediately shared > "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We > decided it would be a wonderful thing to call > somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of > "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > > > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, > don't be so hoity-toity." > > > >Back to dictionary: > >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: > >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in > Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre > in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman > mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology > disputed.] > > > >According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t > appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that > time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the > “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The > American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” > as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that > somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of > “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning > “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at > least might it share some of mahoitre's own > etymology?) > > > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR > VOCABULARY? > > > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner > >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Diana Habra > >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > > > > > > >>According to the OED: > >> > >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a > garment for the purpose > >>of > >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > >> > >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The > shoulders were padded out > >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. > FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised > shoulders in fashion during > >>the > >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. > Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > >>The > >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > >> > >>Joanna > >> > >> > > > >So would that be the correct term for what they do > to modern men's suits? > >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > > > >Diana > > > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > >"Everything for the Costumer" > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 04:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j249C1ta006523 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j249B3Zj026964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249AogY031749; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249Aja1031564 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050304091029.BDVQ28243.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:29 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.245.38]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050304091028.IDAB4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:28 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.6.0]); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:10:26 +1300 Message-ID: <002901c5209a$0149bfb0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:23 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ah.. linen... well I wouldn't recommend cold dye then but would otherwise recommend dylon. I would double the amount of dye said to be needed, I find it gives a deeper and richer effect. In fact with the cold water dylon my recommendation is to use half a litre of liquid and paint it on damp fabric with a broad paintdrush, leave it to dry and then wash it out. If the instructions say to use a bowl, then you have the cold water dye, and I wouldn't recommend a washing machine. They do make dyes for the washing machine though. So my experiences: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/blue.htm Dylon multipurpose in a large stock pot on the stove, piece by piece. Making sure I would do the whole bodice, then the drapery then the skirt so any inconsistency in dyeing was not noticeable. Cotton and polyester brocade. If I dyed it too many times, the polyester went a funny colour, it absorbed the greens from the blue dye. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/poison.htm Dylon Multipurpose on the stove. Good for acheiving a fade from one colour to another just altering heat of dyebath and length of time in the bath. nylon lycra, took the colour *very* well. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/ladym.htm Dylon Multipurpose dye. Good even coverage over a dark brown viscose. Navy blue turned the fabric a dark licorice black. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Dylon cold water dye. Silk just dipped and swished in a 40litre plastic container to make the pale lilac of the inner sleeves. 2pots of dye with the right salts and mixed to just 500ml of water (two cups or thereabouts) and painted on the silk to get the proper purple (that was supposed to be got from the dye) on the farthingale. I found I did not have the ability to aggitate the dye bath as much as it was needed to to prevent blotchiness so painting was the best solution. And just now: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabrictest.jpg one cold water dye in 1L of water with salts 5min bath and washed. This is likely to be a rayon mix if not pure rayon. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabricsa.jpg the top is the colour of the linen originally, the bottom is the linen after several dyebaths involving about 7 pots of dye for 5m of 150cm wide fabric (about 5 yards of 60" wide fabric) The change is subtle. And I suspect a multipurpose dyebath would be better as it uses heat. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 04:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j249C98C006579 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j249BTZj026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249BTrm032037; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249BJQW031710 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j249Acx12554.; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:10:42 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:10:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:10:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few ) films I've wondered about.... Kate & Barry Lyndon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 17:05:16 >>> wrote: *** Do you remember the cut of the dress? was it a 2 piece unit (bodice & skirt) or was it 1 piece( bodice with skirt attached)?Since it was a"costume" I wondered if they did seperates to fit more then 1 actress. Was the bodice waist and back both pointed? Laced in the back or on the sided,or front pinned? Did it have a stomacher? ANy info you can remember is great!**** It wasn't a two-piece in that sense. There was a pale pink underskirt; the overdress was cut without a waist seam at the centre back (I believe the period term was "en fourreau"). I can't remember exactly how the bodice was in front, but there wasn't a separate stomacher, and I think it closed with hooks. The waist came to a point over the gap where the underskirt showed. There are one or two photos of me in it, but nothing accessible online, I'm afraid (it was more than twenty years ago!) Kate ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 07:59:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24CwxdY009118 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24CvwZj007614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cvl4H053571; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cvkj0053548 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7CNF-0002PN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: <42285B50.1030006@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:57:52 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained ..."hello, I think I got left out....." References: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think I will just go ahead and post them on my website this eveing. It may be easier. Sg :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 08:01:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24D15q4009144 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24D0PZj007795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D0OvO055269; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D0NsJ055182 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABE14AAA00AC; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:00:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 13:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c520ba$4c2f47a0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227d16ad44bb7.79812774@iimetro.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:01:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this one is in the lovely box of goodies found on e-bay. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' > > > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > > (online) pattern for this? > > > > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. > > Ah so it is the same shape as the bum roll Elizabethan costumers like to use, I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. > If that's all it is I may as well make use of the bumroll in Simplicity 8881 (the shakespeare in Love dress) as I've used the bodice and sleeve sections of the pattern but nothing else. > Thanks > Elizabeth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 08:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24D510W009185 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24D4AZj008058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D468O057025; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cwiid054117 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB7B72970032; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:58:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 12:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <006901c520ba$0fe06fe0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net><49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> <200503032027.50959.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:59:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is Gorgeous!!! I might make a bid afterall. It suits all taste. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume > On Thursday 03 March 2005 7:23 pm, sylvia@ntw.net wrote: > > > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=81749504 > > >85&rd=1 > > > > > > Is that a historical design or what? > > And the best part is that it's the only design I've ever seen that's correct > for all periods. :-) > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. 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X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone >>dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for >>using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. > >I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water >dye in the US? I can't anymore. > >I find Dylon permanent and true to color - if it says black, it means >black, etc. And you can dye plastic buttons with it, if you simmer them in >the dye bath for like half an hour. You can either get the color you want >or a good tint of it, depending on the plastic of the button. I even made >white plastic dice look like bone ones, using Dylon, for use at Ren. Faire. so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a faded black doublet/jerkin ..... Jerusha (who sortof changed email addresses -- but not really) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 10:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24Fnaxq010351 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:49:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24FmjZj002877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Fmfpr063521; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24Fmce8063469 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.108.0.161 with plain) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 15:48:38 -0000 Message-ID: <42288358.7090408@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:48:40 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye References: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> In-Reply-To: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: >>I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water >>dye in the US? I can't anymore. > > > so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a faded > black doublet/jerkin ..... I got my original boxes from Teddy as part of the Great Dye Experiment* several years ago. I have since ordered Dylon Machine Dye from the UK http://www.sewandso.co.uk/ran840-0.html I have a large Kenmore front-loader, theoretically modeled on German front loaders. This Dylon Dye (not available in the US) and my machine do a great job dying large jobs. No residue, even color, seems to be mostly color fast (cotton and linen dyed so far). liz young *Several of us on the list in the US received boxes of Dylon Machine Dye from Teddy (I think Teddy sent them all) and tried the dye in our American machines. I know it worked in front-loaders and worked some of the time in top-loaders. "Dylon Machine Dye" in the archives ought to get you the thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 12:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24HLEW5011165 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24HKKZj017288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HK3JR047425; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HJxYR047347 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DEC40D6D for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D10B53955; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye X-Originating-Ip: [172.159.139.9] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCKJikAAltrwEAAAAB,73eb9260ecc30e0f58479a9a660d6c70 Message-Id: <20050304171932.D10B53955@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela, I don't know whether I am more impressed by your dying techniques, your costumes or your website. All I can say is WOW I AM impressed! Gone are the days when my figure would allow me to wear some of the things you do, but I agree about the Elizabeth of Valois gown. There is a red one that I used to have posted on my file cabinet to copy some day. That lady died young, but had style. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "michaela" wrote: From: "michaela" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:23 +1300 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye ah.. linen... well I wouldn't recommend cold dye then but would otherwise recommend dylon. I would double the amount of dye said to be needed, I find it gives a deeper and richer effect. In fact with the cold water dylon my recommendation is to use half a litre of liquid and paint it on damp fabric with a broad paintdrush, leave it to dry and then wash it out. If the instructions say to use a bowl, then you have the cold water dye, and I wouldn't recommend a washing machine. They do make dyes for the washing machine though. So my experiences: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/blue.htm Dylon multipurpose in a large stock pot on the stove, piece by piece. Making sure I would do the whole bodice, then the drapery then the skirt so any inconsistency in dyeing was not noticeable. Cotton and polyester brocade. If I dyed it too many times, the polyester went a funny colour, it absorbed the greens from the blue dye. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/poison.htm Dylon Multipurpose on the stove. Good for acheiving a fade from one colour to another just altering heat of dyebath and length of time in the bath. nylon lycra, took the colour *very* well. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/ladym.htm Dylon Multipurpose dye. Good even coverage over a dark brown viscose. Navy blue turned the fabric a dark licorice black. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Dylon cold water dye. Silk just dipped and swished in a 40litre plastic container to make the pale lilac of the inner sleeves. 2pots of dye with the right salts and mixed to just 500ml of water (two cups or thereabouts) and painted on the silk to get the proper purple (that was supposed to be got from the dye) on the farthingale. I found I did not have the ability to aggitate the dye bath as much as it was needed to to prevent blotchiness so painting was the best solution. And just now: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabrictest.jpg one cold water dye in 1L of water with salts 5min bath and washed. This is likely to be a rayon mix if not pure rayon. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabricsa.jpg the top is the colour of the linen originally, the bottom is the linen after several dyebaths involving about 7 pots of dye for 5m of 150cm wide fabric (about 5 yards of 60" wide fabric) The change is subtle. And I suspect a multipurpose dyebath would be better as it uses heat. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 12:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24HVpcq011317 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24HUuZj018325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HUqqP057680; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HUoTr057549 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947553C6BB for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:29:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:30:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that they are reprints of older titles. * Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. * Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. Would love to hear from someone who has copies. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 13:36:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24IaFVo012014 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24IX4aD025768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24IFeo4097762; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24IFcKj097622 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so851866wra for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=M6XV0xNNSyJoy19Q7Z0zId8hJacn1VMZyK8egnV1XeU8z2g6jRzlzJZMqeGYqJJ5GTQz34F7TDKT1nswag0QC9UDur8uCdFM8nQiwfe35SAB+QuI6hYFJSFhtDfrPUdjdqjQ9LQWubCVuP9zpK3021UfRaWnqxSZeP+36Es7TF4= Received: by 10.54.69.19 with SMTP id r19mr68079wra; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm19164wrl.2005.03.04.10.15.29; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8726@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Stay away from Iris Brooke. Especially if you're not very familiar with the period. As for the Mary Houston, I have a copy of the 2nd version (I think). Do you know if the Dover is a reprint of the 1931 version (106 pages b&w line drawings) or the 1947 version (182 pages, some of them pasted on colour plates)? Both of them are fairly reasonable, still have a couple of victorianisms but very well done for the time. If I remember properly this is the 2nd book of a series where Medieval Costume in England and France is the 3rd. You might try your local library to see if they have copies of the originals. Of my local librararies, all but one have the iris brooke (sigh), 5 of them have one or the other version and 4 of them have both. But then again I live in the city with the highest number of post-secondary educational institutions in North America, YMMV. Cheers, Joanna PS You might find an original print (1st or 2nd edition) in a second hand shop. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that they are reprints of older titles. * Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. * Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. Would love to hear from someone who has copies. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 14:07:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24J7xq7012321 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:07:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24J7HZj029581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24J7De7044195; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24J7AOV044025 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id B24FF3F06 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:03:35 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1109963221144; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:07:01 -1000 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:07:01 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill collection? They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of the world's leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th and 19th centuries." According to Barnes and Noble they were all published in September 2004 and the titles I see listed so far are -Hats and Bonnets -Embroideries -Buttons and Trimmings -Shoes and Slippers Amazon has no real description of the contents and B&N has short blurbs for only the hats and shoes books. The cover pictures are tempting. annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 14:30:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24JU3dm012520 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24JT2Zj001991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSwc8063178; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSoPF063083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-74.sonic.net [209.148.113.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSnHC027596 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <4228B6F8.3070400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:28:56 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just received all of them. They are rather small books of pictures with long captions, mostly pictures of details of clothing and accessories rather than entire garments. Mostly women's clothes and accessories, a few men's particularly in the _Embroideries_ book. Mostly mid 18th to mid 19th centuries. The books are well produced.. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com lisa wrote: > Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style > books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill > collection? They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of > the world's leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th > and 19th centuries." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 15:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24K7E7a013607 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24K6GZj005862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24K64lP095095; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24K60eF094969 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94020 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2005 20:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:05:55 PST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503041903.j24J2ap0040093@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Funny you should mention Barry Lyndon, the spousal unit and I just watched it last week. It is kind of like looking at a living picture from the 18th century. Marisa Berenson (lady Lyndon), who is one of the transcendental beauties of the age looks so like period portraits from Gainsboro and others. The big hair in several scencs is wonderful. I seem to remember, from when the movie originallyu came out that some of the dresses she wore WERE ORIGINALS. I can't verify this 30 some year old memory. After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. It fits into my category of "real thing", no matter what materials they used to make the garments --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 15:27:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24KRw0s013891 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24KR9Zj007952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24KQpP0012711; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24KQl6C012588 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.111]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050304202636.ZMXL11805.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:26:36 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050304134718.01dd68d0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:26:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200503041902.j24J2aox040093@net.indra.com> References: <200503041902.j24J2aox040093@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have generally found Iris Brooke very unreliable (my opinion). I don't use or own any of her books. Houston has a good reputation. "An unabridged republication of the second edition of Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume and Decoration published in 1947". 182p, 315 b/w and col illus (Dover 2003) ISBN 0486426106. Paperback. Price US $12.95 I got one a couple of month's ago that was very good with documentation, images and such, but no diagrams. I've just skimmed through it. It's down in the library and I can get the biblio and more detail for you if you need it. And one not yet published that might be of interest: The Clothed Body in the Ancient World edited by Liza Cleland, Mary Harlow and Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones ... highlighting common themes in scholarship, methodological differences between disciplines and periods, as well as contrasting definitions of what constitutes the clothed body. Essays discussing Aegean Bronze Age fashions, costume design in filmed biblical epics, clothing in Aristophanic comedy, Greek and Roman female undergarments, the symbolism of the Roman toga, and the spectacle of images of Byzantine dress, are just some of the diverse ... Hardback. Not yet published - advance orders taken. Publisher's Price US$56.00, DBBC Price US$44.00 Hope this helps. Beth At 01:02 PM 3/4/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:30:58 -0600 >From: Dawn >Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good >source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions >to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that >they are reprints of older titles. > > >* Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. >Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. > >* Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. > > >Would love to hear from someone who has copies. > > > >Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 18:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24NKNHu015479 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24NJZZj004451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NJR5C072201; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NJOe0072080 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kitsune242@aol.com) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.156.4c1b7bd7 (16087) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.162]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed74228ecee3a2; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:19:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:19:10 -0500 From: Kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 169.237.109.158 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All! You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of where I can find some? I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think 1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. Any and all help is appreciated! Thanks in Advance, Kit If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - Kenneth Cole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 18:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24NssGK015698 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24NsKZj010873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NsE3k001563; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NsD45001497 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from salunra@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so753094rne for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:54:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V23r4/GM1x8zk4sE9YxGM+tGKr7XjPf0AC12tg5kJJqJhuVXt4cotQ6vvtl2cPYpzWuMD25eUdVRSEev/amAEmTCs9IiG3gecMBvGOaL13ilR17JIrjHBhrDzc2b9F+wv+pU0AkcY7iUvRWnENZDqIlhmItNPQl/+BojXbFiCSM= Received: by 10.38.12.60 with SMTP id 60mr72455rnl; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.28 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:54:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:09 -0500 From: Moon Singer To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi!! I usually do Elizabethian, but an occasion has come up and I need to make up a more early period dress. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good pattern for sideless surcoats and cotehardies. Thanks! Moon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 23:27:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j254RcDQ017438 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:27:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254QfZj002505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254QQ42067459; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254QKHH067401 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254MBEN020601 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:22:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050304202249.024b57e8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:24:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon In-Reply-To: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200503041903.j24J2ap0040093@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living >history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. My recollection is that Barry Lyndon, as slow-moving as it was on screen, was just what the writers of those interminable old novels were trying to do. the books would pan across the scenery for half a chapter, and the film did that too. Much prettier on screen. Otherwise, I avoid novels like that. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 23:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j254ZlCa017509 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:35:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254ZEZj003571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254ZBqf073218; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254Z5XJ073141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j255ldki026755 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:47:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:34:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503042334.59589.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 04 March 2005 2:07 pm, lisa wrote: > Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style > books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill collection? > They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of the world's > leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th and 19th > centuries." > > According to Barnes and Noble they were all published in September > 2004 and the titles I see listed so far are > -Hats and Bonnets > -Embroideries > -Buttons and Trimmings > -Shoes and Slippers > > Amazon has no real description of the contents and B&N has short > blurbs for only the hats and shoes books. The cover pictures are > tempting. They are being carried in a bookstore near me. They are $19.95 USD apiece and fairly short (about 80 pp apiece I think) but they contain good color pictures and a fair number of them given the size, and good descriptive text. If they were about $5 apiece less I would have bought at least 2 of the set by now. As things are, I'll probably wait a bit to buy them. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 08:20:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25DKjRg019735 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25DK4Zj022624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DJmv0064740; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DJjxb064579 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A1E866A8005C; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:19:36 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.119 ([209.131.81.119] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Mar 05 13:19:35 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c52186$2a418b40$775183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:20:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen and scarves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j25DKjRg019735 Status: RO I have just been viewing the new items to be found at the Dhama site and was impressed with the new scarves; and that they have hankie Linen now available with a 60/40 linen and cotton weave.The price is under $9 a yard. Also a new cotton twill. The Devore scarves present several possibilities... kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 08:42:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Dgkgs019837 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25Dg2Zj027881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DfxGT078548; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DfuSa078454 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e0.3728e25e (4459) for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:41:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. I will check my computer at school to see if I hid it there. sorry not more help.theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 09:50:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25EoMPM020308 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:50:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25EnSZt003789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25EjI6W016666; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25EjDWO016460 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fba.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.186]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FF0647FE2C for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c52191$e7572630$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion and styles series. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got two of the books as a pressent. One with embroidery and another with buttons and trimmings. They are lovely lovely, and has pictures i never have seen before. Lots of inspirations to get. Another friend emailed me with photos taken in Paris from an antique shop. Showing 4 wonderfull gentlemens wallets embroidered and for my period. Actually i could make the same embroidery as the suit and waistcoat and use it on a wallet two. So i have plans............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25F2lZp020410 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25F2BZj004450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25F28e2025130; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25F26E7025115 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fba.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FB5A5EE06A for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:02:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006b01c52194$4eaa57b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:02:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear hear, I totally agree with you, also the very special mood troughout the whole film. I love the story tellers voice and language, soo beautifull.......... Ulla Britt Sřderlund, made some of the costumes for the movie. I have ben fortunate to talk to her once at a lecture where Janet Arnold was speaking. Stanley Kubric chose her for the costumes because he had seen the films about the imigrants from Sweden, dont recall what the series was called in english, wich she also made costumes for, because as he said, the costumes are clothes and not costumes........... wich was a very fine thing to say. For Barry Lyndon she used original garments, wich was used for making new costumes. She also spended all her free time embroidering buttons for gentlemens coats. Many of the silks was boiled to get the pale colours and softness. I told her that i was in awe of her skills and that Barry Lyndon had given me such a kick, but the only thing she replyed was did you see the wings i made for the angel for (a swedish film i dont think you know). She was so proud of those angel wings, and i thoaght well well......... Very shorly after this, she died from canser only about 40 years old. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon > > Funny you should mention Barry Lyndon, the spousal unit and I just watched > it last week. It is kind of like looking at a living picture from the > 18th century. Marisa Berenson (lady Lyndon), who is one of the > transcendental beauties of the age looks so like period portraits from > Gainsboro and others. The big hair in several scencs is wonderful. > > I seem to remember, from when the movie originallyu came out that some of > the dresses she wore WERE ORIGINALS. I can't verify this 30 some year > old memory. > > After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living > history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. > It fits into my category of "real thing", no matter what materials they > used to make the garments > > > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:14:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25FEF6I020508 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:14:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FDdZj005186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FDYGG031646; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FDWCS031619 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7ayA-0003L9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:13:40 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mahoitered Sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry about this, but I seem to be having trouble finding the ones I have. I know I found a whole slew of colored portraits with them. But in the meantime, here is a response to my query when I was first investigating them. As Karen says, it should get you started and in the mean time I will continue to look for the ones I scanned. Sg (who has taken this opportunity to recognize that she REALLY needs to back up all her images on CD, before anything else gets lost!) seamstrix@juno.com[63,13]CSuX: anyone seen portraits with sleeves like these? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen portraits with sleeves like these? From: seamstrix@juno.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:16:43 -0600 The term I am familiar with for those sleeves is 'mahoitered' and they are fairly common on English, Spanish, and French fashions of the 1560's and 70's. I don't have any online sources to hand but here are some literary references- "Elizabethan Pagentry" by H.K. Morse Page 23: Portait of a Lady by Antonio Moro Page 27: Young Woman 1564 by Lucas Cranach the Younger Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd by Janet Arnold Page 7: #6 Queen Elizabeth receiving the Dutch Ambassadors (1570-75) the ladies sitting on the floor to the right of the painting all seem to have mahoitered sleeves. Page 55: #93 Unknown Lady Aged 29 (1557) by Hans Eworth Page 133: #211 Pierre de Moucheron and Wife- detail (1563) Page 134: #212 Lady Anne Penruddocke Aged 20 (1557) by Hans Eworth Page 139: #222 Lady Aged 30, Called Queen Elizabeth (1563) Anonymous Page 140: #224 Margaret of Parma (1562) by Antonio Mor Page 154: #243 Queen E and the # Goddesses-detail (1569) by HE That should get you started! 8-) Karen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25FeUPO020841 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:40:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FdmZj006870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FdjZV047395; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FdgM3047324 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01853C329 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:38:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:40:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat References: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting through > myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not mistaken one of the > h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth design for paper pattern or a > drape and pin explaination. The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html This is also a good page for pictures: http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:48:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Fm6e7020957 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FlTZj007325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FlNCp052379; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FlL88052284 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030515471601300odujse>; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:47:16 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:47:13 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:47:13 +0000 Message-Id: <030520051547.28031.4229D48100096FB200006D7F22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holy grail window was Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The link below has a lovely picture! But when I clicked on it to see if it could be enlarged for details, a *you dirty knave trying to steal the holy grail* window pops up. Goodness! I presume it's supposed to be funny....I guess my funny bone is not calibrated right... Coffee, I need coffee... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html > > > This is also a good page for pictures: > http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html > > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25G9L5d021162 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25G8WZj008439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8T8r065475; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8QQl065441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-63.sonic.net [209.148.114.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8PeA026572 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4229D981.2020702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:08:33 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ombre silk fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where to buy ombre silk fabric online? I found a little on the Thai silks site but not what I wanted. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:17:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25GHkRN021296 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:17:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25GH4Zj008897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GH1WF070423; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GGwMv070378 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06362 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:30:14 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:30:12 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Dawn wrote: > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting > > through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not > > mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth > > design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html The above page might answer the needs of the original poster, depending on what she's looking for, but it's important to note that it relies mostly on outdated popular costume books and is not very historically accurate. I also don't see construction directions on that page, so it probably is not what Theresa was remembering. For instructions on drape-and-pin, most people point to Tasha McGann's page: http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html Tasha developed her method in part based on my work. You'll find my written comments at: http://www.netherton.net/robin I don't have directions there and never will, as I don't think this method can be taught on paper. However, I do have a handout I use for workshops, and a collection of posts that will provide useful background and tips for someone wanting to take a non-patterned approach. Experienced costumers who have an understanding of the desired look and basic methods have been able to use those to replicate my method. The original poster, I think, asked for patterns. I don't use them and so can't recommend any. Perhaps someone else can. There are a number of patterns out there for both fitted underdresses and sideless surcotes that will produce an acceptable "look" for general SCA wear and for other costuming purposes, though I would consider all of them to be modern in approach. I would not recommend using patterns for historical costume competition or authentic re-enactment, but I don't gather that's what the original poster was aiming for. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25GSw4q021460 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25GSDZj009575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GS8Ga077058; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j25GS4L4076957 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 16:27:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305162341.014b6160@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:26:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: References: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:30 05/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Dawn wrote: > > > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > > > > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting > > > through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not > > > mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth > > > design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. > > > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html > >The above page might answer the needs of the original poster, depending on >what she's looking for, but it's important to note that it relies mostly >on outdated popular costume books and is not very historically accurate. I >also don't see construction directions on that page, so it probably is not >what Theresa was remembering. > >For instructions on drape-and-pin, most people point to Tasha McGann's >page: > >http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html > >Tasha developed her method in part based on my work. You'll find my >written comments at: > >http://www.netherton.net/robin > > > >The original poster, I think, asked for patterns. I don't use them and so >can't recommend any. Perhaps someone else can. There are a number of >patterns out there for both fitted underdresses and sideless surcotes that >will produce an acceptable "look" for general SCA wear and for other >costuming purposes, though I would consider all of them to be modern in >approach. I would not recommend using patterns for historical costume >competition or authentic re-enactment, but I don't gather that's what the >original poster was aiming for. Jean Hunnisett's book "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" published by Players Press has patterns for sideless surcoats, one based on the Luttrell Psalter. Don't be put off by the title - Jean's research was thorough, and her patterns based on original paintings, sculpture and so on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 12:20:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25HK44g022008 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25HItZj012695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25HImPM008705; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25HIj86008586 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j25HIbu24954 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:18:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:19:37 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <030520051547.28031.4229D48100096FB200006D7F22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j25HIj86008586 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] typo on page was: holy grail window was Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, If anyone knows the owner of this web site there is a typo on this page... http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html I don't think Charles died in 1634. Althea On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 07:47 AM, Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > The link below has a lovely picture! But when I clicked on it to see > if it could be enlarged for details, a *you dirty knave trying to > steal the holy grail* window pops up. > > Goodness! I presume it's supposed to be funny....I guess my funny > bone is not calibrated right... > > Coffee, I need coffee... > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: >> >> The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: >> http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html >> >> >> This is also a good page for pictures: >> http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html >> >> >> >> >> Dawn >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 15:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Kc5F8023331 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25KbFZj024038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25Kb5XJ032971; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25Kb319032946 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7g1H-0002cF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:37:03 -0800 Message-ID: <422A187A.2060500@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:37:14 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> <4229D0FC.30700@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4229D0FC.30700@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not sure why this isn't reaching the list, but here it is again. Sg Wicked Frau wrote: > Here is a link to some mockups on various types of Mahoitered > sleeves. Sorry the images aren't so hot. Most of them I accidentally > saved at a very worthless low resolution. > http://saragrace.net/images/Misc/mahoiteredsleeves.htm > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 18:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25NniIa024626 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:49:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25NmnZj004629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25NmewC050830; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25NmYl5050713 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICW003NQKSSFT@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:29 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper To: Historical Costume Message-id: <33f45df33ef9a7.33ef9a733f45df@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In response to an old thread ( I have been out of comission for a while) you CAN get rolls of 1/2 inch grid paper-the rolls are about 3 feet wide and are about 200 ft long. each roll is 26$ dollars plus whatever shippiing is to whereever you are. I order mine from a company called Nasco, their web site is www.enasco.com and the item number is 9712672. Their catalog is a pain if you do not have the item number. hope this is not to late to be helpful. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 21:52:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j262qEcA025445 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:52:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j262pGZj014168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j262oxns057847; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j262ovkc057789 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030602505201300oh0vue>; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:50:52 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:50:50 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:50:50 +0000 Message-Id: <030620050250.28689.422A700A000611FC0000701122069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] work stations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking at a office supply catalog k-log.com and I'm looking at the ergo adjust workstation that has a dual crank for changing the 'keyboard' part of the split table. The thing I noticed is that it's just a split table, so the keyboard part has a really sturdy support system. It can go up so you can stand at it or low enough to sit comfortably. I was thinking how nice to use this to raise my sewing machine up and down as needed. And thinking how nice it would be to have two, to have an ironing platform right next to me at whatever level I want it. And table space behind both! Then there's the Pneumatic table with the 60x 30 table top that can go 20"-30". I'm thinking cutting table.. Sigh. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 22:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j263Apre025534 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j263AKZj015079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j263AEpW069386; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41825.mail.yahoo.com (web41825.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j263AC1q069288 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15897 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2005 03:10:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ydlSCtPLX5v+oZfJ/997YGWVveNXaCwT1JlnAucwCNvEg6T0hGvNS2xBEOpOTwXmVhKz1Ck+NlhXOQEtNKUlC1Qc5aoiH6evE02IKJY20Prk2WeYba8M8KZlhTWxSBhOqinGzkMpPcwuVR8/7IW/CwVnL3BYWMC7LP4oF4buuA0= ; Message-ID: <20050306031004.15895.qmail@web41825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:10:04 PST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re[h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves/ Thanks for the explanination & photo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK...the red sleeve shows this sleeve type really well, they kinda remind me of the Phillipino ladies sleeves on their fancy dresses(remember Imelad Marcos?)I have no idea how they keep THEM up either. I was cruising "Margospatterns" site yesterday and she has a comfort gown with Mshoitered sleeves. I was kinda sure I knew what they were after that,as the other gown pictured said roll top sleeve(the sausage roll thing) Thanks to ALL for the help.... Melody --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Not sure why this isn't reaching the list, but here > it is again. > Sg > > Wicked Frau wrote: > > > Here is a link to some mockups on various types of > Mahoitered > > sleeves. Sorry the images aren't so hot. Most of > them I accidentally > > saved at a very worthless low resolution. > > > http://saragrace.net/images/Misc/mahoiteredsleeves.htm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 23:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j264AgNP025866 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2649rZj018401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2649kEQ005050; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41806.mail.yahoo.com (web41806.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2649iLZ004987 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33604 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2005 04:09:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=or8i91FZp3+GumvYBeeU/DZh96S9GE7fPMLYTm3LMMu6sNGAeBotBy+y1uKyf6q1HvBvc6KDBUR0SpX75st+5eUS9W5wvMt/sE73uAsJa+cR2sKFpfe72gAUNr47fvH8L9cIK9h6zCCgcNNtU47Z+YHfBUQf+2tWL35PaZ7pGKQ= ; Message-ID: <20050306040939.33602.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:09:38 PST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Can anyone give me the general shape of and type of material a Ventian ladies chemise would be. Particularily I need to know the shape of the neckline,(was it pleated into a bead) decorated at all? Sleeves - regular length or longer to pull thru sleeve slashes? Cuffs - banded ,with rufles or not. Is black work seen in this period,or not on Italian clothes.Lace ? I usually do Elizabethean peasant type clothes but decided to "move on up", only the dress I had looked more Italian then English. SO, I figured "why fight it, the dress WANTS to be Italian" But my under wear want to remain english ,SO I need help. Under the skirts, was a hoop or fathingale or crinoline worn to add "poof" to the skirts? To see a close look alike to my dress, go to the realm of Venus web site and look at he painting of the Fasolo family (1560 page), same color & almost pattern, weird thing is I kinda look like the lady in the painting,cept I have red hair. Any info & help would be great Thanks,,,, Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 23:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j264jpBm026037 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j264j9Zj019914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:45:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j264j1J0025782; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j264ixfI025752 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7ndQ-0001qw-00; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:44:57 -0800 Message-ID: <422A8AD4.9060808@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:45:08 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TheRenaissanceTailor , GermanRenCostume , "h-costume@indra.com" , thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com, TheRenaissanceTailor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bildindex expanding? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh guys, have I stumbled across something new here? It looks like Bildindex is starting to include artwork from all over? I have been typing in various artist names in artcyclopedia.com and almost without fail Bildindex shows up (down at the bottom ususually), then when I click on it, it takes me to Bildindex and there are a collection of the artists paintings from all over??? The Prado, Uffzi etc. Wahoooooo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 10:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26FiKcf009056 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26FhIZj017547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26FhAVT097909; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Fh4sS097801 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX00FC4SZJYT@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:58 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <30197ad30133a1.30133a130197ad@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "vintage" patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought I sent this last night, but it did not seem to show up. If anyone does want them, please email me by tonight as I would like to have husband drop package off at postoffice tomorrow during his lunch break. I found about 6 vintage(70s) patterns in an old swewing machine that i acquired (it was on the side of the road/waiting for garbage truck-machine is from the 40s in a great/neato cabanet) -this was back in summer before i had been basicly incompacitaded by varius problems. I had offered these patterns to whoever wanted them, and had a taker, but have since lost the email. The patterns do smell a little and make me snnize, so-if you are allergic to mold, don't say you want them! also, i have not looked in the envolopes, so i have no idea abouot the state of them. If whoever said they wanted them says "ME", they get first dibs! Thanks, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 12:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26Hddvs010169 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26HacaN023723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:38:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HUEjG065070; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HUCQr064983 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so852316rne for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VkKBAoKDPbe5JMC04umJHZtmfFMSeGqxP319BjtIIuPRytwh16B0lgzk9PTI8LLt2zA2i+wuGzmQEXc35Dpdv5I8mCBVcHAyUt9lGm2FJhg0PilUTTcJTDlbcDCSduByqjE5Nvn4XV29GxqUF62XGQyCdVgL4Gk9OoijKRRX5do= Received: by 10.38.74.10 with SMTP id w10mr21843rna; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac19050306093069a1315e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:30:07 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not costume related, but definitely historical: I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the newer edition? Price is an issue, and while I can find the 1992 edition used (and about $10 cheaper), I can only get the 1999 new. Please advise, Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 12:57:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26HvOiE010311 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:57:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26HulZj025916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Huhwg082485; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HueJ4082439 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16474 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:10:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac19050306093069a1315e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > newer edition? I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're into studying cursives, as I was. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26JIFT9010955 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JHUZj000956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHKwm028352; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHHY7028305 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so862878rne for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LQdo5thSKHiSzteBShsTpOHqaBeItJV3fE/UnTqedawSKTmj01OPt0L/2PfCf8YE/FCT+gQkDaQ1lO+v+Uk6L2QxKMH4W1ez6zz5Iw4QmOMnAG8/2RuCn009fjrhgKHMVkaU86SimKBGbRfas7Kvb1QQ/xa1+7VABCXkj5rZtGA= Received: by 10.38.151.73 with SMTP id y73mr184275rnd; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:17:16 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > newer edition? > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > into studying cursives, as I was. I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I purchase. > > --Robin > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26JIFHO010954 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JHUZj000957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHK1B028356; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHHsB028307 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so937472rna for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LQdo5thSKHiSzteBShsTpOHqaBeItJV3fE/UnTqedawSKTmj01OPt0L/2PfCf8YE/FCT+gQkDaQ1lO+v+Uk6L2QxKMH4W1ez6zz5Iw4QmOMnAG8/2RuCn009fjrhgKHMVkaU86SimKBGbRfas7Kvb1QQ/xa1+7VABCXkj5rZtGA= Received: by 10.38.151.73 with SMTP id y73mr184275rnd; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:17:16 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > newer edition? > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > into studying cursives, as I was. I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I purchase. > > --Robin > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:59:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26Jxjgr011170 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:59:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JwqZj003388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JwkLU053608; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Jwi5F053519 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id u.7d.64870db3 (3924) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.64870db3.2f5cbae3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:58:27 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New York City Public Library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The New York City Public Library has put some interesting images up on its website, and many of them relate to costume of various periods. I thought I'd pass the link along in case you haven't found this already. _http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm_ (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm) --- Tea Rose, surfer extraordinaire and amateur lurker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:06:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26K68vC011200 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:06:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26K5VZj003694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26K5Qvp057799; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26K5OcA057772 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-31494); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:04:51 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:04:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050306115920.00d73a00@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:05:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:17 PM 3/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com > wrote: > > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > > From: Robin Netherton > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > > newer edition? > > > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > > into studying cursives, as I was. > >I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" >alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed >recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or >clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I >purchase. > > > > --Robin > > >Allison T. I have a copy of "Elizabethan Handwriting 1500-1650: A Manual" by Giles Dawson and Laetitia Kennedy-Skipton of the Folger Shakespeare Library, 1966 (no ISBN). I used it when I transcribed a will from 1590 (I received a photocopy of the manuscript from the public record from a kind English friend). I'm not familiar with the other English handwriting books, but can testify that this one is very good. I was able to find a copy a few years ago on the used book market for $25 + tax and shipping. One of my best bargains. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26KlpRp011423 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:47:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26KkpZj006104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Kkjtf083646; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26KkcM2083540 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 20:46:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306204311.014b67f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:44:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing In-Reply-To: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:19 04/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings All! > >You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that >a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i >am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of >where I can find some? > >I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think >1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have >worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. > >Any and all help is appreciated! > >Thanks in Advance, >Kit >If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - >Kenneth Cole There are some quilted early 19th century dressing gown/banyans in the V and A. I have pictures in a "Costume" journal, but as I have 27 of these it may take a while to find them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:49:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26KntLh011440 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26KnGZj006272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26KnFxs085293; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26KnArj085201 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 20:49:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306204657.014b69a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:47:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing In-Reply-To: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:19 04/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings All! > >You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that >a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i >am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of >where I can find some? > >I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think >1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have >worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. > >Any and all help is appreciated! > >Thanks in Advance, >Kit >If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - >Kenneth Cole Try here - a better source than me. Suzi http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/BANYAN.HTM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 17:58:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26MwtaD011996 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26Mw4Zj013360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26MvtpH062838; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Mvm2Z062762 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D84h2-0002ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:58:01 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Had to share X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen several of the same paintings under several different artists. http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! Darn! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 18:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26NlSLs012273 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26NkqZj016236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26NkkMw091013; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26NkirS090983 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18617 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > ... > > ... > http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 > anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 > > Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! The tinyurl version worked for me. What do you mean about h-cost no longer "taking" it? I love her self-portrait. The eyes! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 19:34:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j270Yeoq012443 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:34:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j270XnZj018913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j270XfCZ019043; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j270Xbuf018894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.42] (acty3042.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.42]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j270XLPe019082 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:25 -0500 Message-ID: <422BA14A.6050603@dandy.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:33:14 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I, too, only have the '92 edition (got it at the Folger, still has the receipt in it). On the handwriting subject, another good book is "The Handwriting of the Renaissance" by Samuel A. Tannenbaum 1930 Columbia University Press. Don't know if it has ever been reprinted, but you can sometimes find copies online. Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 20:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27129HX012534 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:02:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2710MZj020387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2710ItP035597; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2710Gpt035511 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.fe.eb32a68 (3956) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. This sorta Pannier pad that you describe here would work to about 1780s but if I remember correctly you were talking about a mid to late 1780s silhouette....so the padding at the back is right. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 21:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j272R2b1013091 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j272NOZj024977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j272NFaD084705; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j272NAS1084634 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D87tm-00076R-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:23:10 -0800 Message-ID: <422BBB1C.4070904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:23:24 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How silly of me. I meant to delete the TinyUrl before I sent it. I would not have expected it to pass with it. They have been bouncing for me lately. But I am glad to see that at least they sometimes work! Robin Netherton wrote: >On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > > > >>Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 22:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2731Riv013197 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2730NZj026983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27303Ka007287; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j272xT4S006948 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 40693 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 02:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050307025924.40691.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.22] by web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:59:24 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:59:24 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050306040939.33602.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Melody, I just replied to your personal email - how weird to find you have also posted here! :-) > Can anyone give me the general shape of and type of > material a Ventian ladies chemise would be. Most likely linen - the finer the better for a noblewoman. As for general shape, I'm afraid we don't have an extant camicie that has been proven to be Venetian, but I have a little about several extant Italian camcie, and list them starting here... You'll find a link to subsequent pages at the bottom of each page. > Particularily I need to know the shape of the > neckline,(was it pleated into a bead) decorated at > all? Yes, often pleated to a band, with neckline "frills" often. Sometimes decorated with monochrome embroidery in black or red (less common), often trimmed with lace as the pic of extant camicie above will show. > Sleeves - regular length or longer to pull thru sleeve > slashes? You'll find different opinions, but mine is that yes, sometimes they were longer to pull through sleeve slashes and fill poufs. > Cuffs - banded ,with rufles or not. I've only seen uncuffed, loose camicie sleeve ends in Venice, although most of the extant Italian camicie have cuffs of some sort. See Venetian examples here: > Is black work > seen in this period,or not on Italian clothes.Lace ? See my answer regarding decoration, above. > Under the skirts, was a hoop or fathingale or > crinoline worn to add "poof" to the skirts? Not as far as I know, although roped petticoats/underskirts are a definite possibility. Hope this has helped, ===== Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ŠAny intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 22:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j273bXKJ013284 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j273XvZj028986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j273XonU028366; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j273Xlpm028296 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:33:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2005 03:33:42.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[75EA5E50:01C522C6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Washing machine will work fine, but if you need to use a lot of water, you'll also need to use a lot of dye for it to be concentrated enough to work well, unless you have one of those cool European machines. Also, you'll need to be really careful that the machine doesn't empty itself before it's soaked long enough to take in the dye. Dylon will not run the way RIT does. It will run the first few washes, but after that, in my experience, it's pretty steady. Good luck! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 00:04:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2754779013561 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:04:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2753CZj004042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2752vjM082109; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2752shh082029 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17006 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=x5UEYQek1Jgr9uhdoNLgRVyybsJxrM4z3VaeZX4QISyTL4EzJJBLAjlzHXIKRuocE6FmcywVUllkbScFl2d+G79+n2EoY4Ds3oXx7PoNoMN7R+vfPGOE+D3dXWA/ACJjqjf6GMzzvdKc8n93MkrV2wmJT8yBRlU4skTpEkEoDME= ; Message-ID: <20050307050249.17004.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:02:49 PST Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes That's me, I discovered H-cost. list and am in heaven, I just read my personal email and between the two posts you've helped Enormously! Now to take all this info and make it look like the painting, by April,I just might have a chance. Thanks again.! Hope all is better now at home....been there. Sending good thoughts your wway..... Melody --- Bella wrote: > Hi Melody, I just replied to your personal email - > how weird to find you have also posted here! :-) > ***** SNIP***** >> > Hope this has helped, > Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac > ŠAny intellectual material in this message is > copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) > ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 05:34:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27AYPJG008813 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 05:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27AXjZj018696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27AXYuT062921; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27AXVc4062893 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j27AXSir010112 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:33:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:18:34 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > >http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 >anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 > >Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! >Darn! Greetings, The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones that are showing up under other artist's names? Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 06:00:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27B0Yc8016968 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:00:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27AxnZj020062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27Axj6b077499; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:59:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27Av10A075814 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j27Aj2Cl014383 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:45:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:55:16 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> References: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric to sell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all... Excuse this one announcement...I will be listing a bunch of fabric for sale on the Swap & Sell yahoo groups. I should have it up tomorrow with photos. It is primarily silks with a bit of wool so feel free to email me if you are interested. If you aren't a member of the swap & sell group and wish to join, please make sure you mention the fact that you are an H-Costume member in your membership request. Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 08:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27D9nIe017550 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27D91Zj026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27D8plC050864; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27D8nV8050840 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D8Hya-0003J9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 05:08:48 -0800 Message-ID: <422C5270.7080407@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:09:04 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, actually it is the fellow in the cape and a few of the women playing piano....hmmm. Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am > surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in > particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the > ones that are showing up under other artist's names? > > Cheers, > Danielle > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 09:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27EuwoX018387 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27EWmZj001623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWUs1007336; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from aspirin.dii.utk.edu (aspirin.dii.utk.edu [160.36.0.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWPrs007273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by aspirin.dii.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWGmh012167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:32:20 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:32:20 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) Message-ID: <423901A0@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I take it back! I just ran across it in a google image search for Sofonisba at http://www.rccr.cremona.it/anguissola/sofonisba.htm Unfortunately I don't read Italian. I'm also seeing some other things (via google) that I'm not sure if I've seen before either. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 10:20:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27FK2w7018501 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27FJ6Zj005493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FJ29v042880; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50409.mail.yahoo.com (web50409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j27FIwhP042729 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:18:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73305 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 15:18:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zwuigpVoMnHgTOT/nva8fkHMxJ1ci7GlMhlbvr8kle8Icc2pvOUL3gLwaI7C8DVKAq5e9FAMWgvOxXEv2Pu2Q6oQRFAeYjpScqu6RBWkkmviAEV23p2ygk6is4t6t5RYEDWG2SluA6L3rEadwog4zQW3JHDw95mrpVOkNlM/wf0= ; Message-ID: <20050307151853.73303.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.12] by web50409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:18:52 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: Re[h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves/ Thanks for the explanination & photo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I lived in the Philippines, I seem to recall that a lot of the fancy sleeves you are describing were of a very stiff cloth--I believe the pineapple cloth - and lots and LOTS of embroidery. There's now a bridal designer from Manila using a lot of their techniques for unique bridal gowns--I'll have to see if I can find his card, the website had a few shots that are worth looking at! Unfortunately for me, I outgrew all of the clothes from there, and they are all gone. *sigh* But my goddaughter's maternal family is from there, so maybe I can start coaxing/bribing for new ones in my adult size! Angharat/ wolfcat --- Melody Watts wrote: > OK...the red sleeve shows this sleeve type really > well, they kinda remind me of the Phillipino ladies > sleeves on their fancy dresses(remember Imelad > Marcos?)I have no idea how they keep THEM up either. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 10:26:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27FQ82E018541 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:26:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27FOOZj005898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FOJlq047115; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FOFpv046963 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:24:05 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Had to share Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:24:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcUjAjU8XSy17gYWSYqCSY8kj0CDUgAJyzVA Message-Id: <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could the plaid paintings be copies that have been changed? The link Jerusha sent shows the same painting of the artist's mother but I could swear the bodice looks like it has either been slashed or tucked. Anne At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > Greetings, The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones that are showing up under other artist's names? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 13:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27IEcUS019448 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27IDnZj024782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27IDX27009443; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27IDU7V009075 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 4F0091387B3; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:13:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust97.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.97]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B899138690 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:13:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <087801c52341$73a7cb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tinyurl (was: Had to share) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:14:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When tinyurl first came out, I used it for a little while, then quit because the links only worked about 1/2 the time. Its batting average seems to have improved, but I expect the same info storage/programming/whatever problem still exists. These two sites do the same thing, however, and have worked every time for me: http://snipurl.com and the ironically long-addressed http://www.makeashorterlink.com/ -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:08:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j28182mY021952 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2816hZj007344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2816Tqt078856; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2816RSm078760 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skskaw@comcast.net) Received: from mom1 (c-24-21-113-38.client.comcast.net[24.21.113.38]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050308010622012001q44ke>; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 01:06:22 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.6.3]); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: <013301c5237b$13696130$6f01a8c0@mom1> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: "Historical Costume" References: <423901A0@webmail.utk.edu> Subject: Re: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:06:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I get a fair translation, a bit choppy, but readable, putting in paragraphs at a time with Babel Fish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ I did not get the translate the whole site thing to work. SKneeland >I take it back! I just ran across it in a google image search for >Sofonisba > at http://www.rccr.cremona.it/anguissola/sofonisba.htm > > Unfortunately I don't read Italian. I'm also seeing some other things > (via > google) that I'm not sure if I've seen before either. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:15:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281FZe4021992 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281EjZj008081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281Eg7P085176; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j281EbFL085100 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 7076 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 01:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.3.23) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 01:14:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:20:42 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <087801c52341$73a7cb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-Id: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be months before I see the book. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281N8w3022023 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:23:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281LrZj008670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281Lo9E090746; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.mail.utk.edu (jaguar.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281LlkT090706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by jaguar.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281LmW1011099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:21:52 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:21:42 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Message-ID: <4231300C@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book > from US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 > US for airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail > or it'll be months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen Depending on the size of the book, you might use one of those "flat-rate" express/priority mail envelopes (the "cardboard" ones). I shipped several books in them to Europe because they would fit in the envelope. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:56:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281uTYr022209 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281tUZj011402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281tQWZ014741; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281tOYm014712 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.218] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D8TwQ-0008PV-Pi for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c52381$dfbc9a80$da399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:55:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf013dd75b8c037d1a8ef0f7e9639529f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.218 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aylwen wrote: > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from > US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for > airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be > months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen > The link below will take you to the USPS rates for Australia. If your book weighs less than four pounds and can fit in the large global priority mail flat rate envelope, it can be shipped for $9US and get to you in 4-6 days. A small book might fit in the smaller envelope and ship for $5US. Cheaper and faster than what you've been quoted so far, but this would require someone to ship this way for you. Many businesses do not because they have contracts with other shippers. I have used GPM successfully to Europe and Asia, so if you can swing it, try it. Truly cheap rates are under economy mail book rates and letter-post rates, but I don't know what the delivery time is. GPM guarantees 4-6 days, and is occasionally faster. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan http://pe.usps.gov/text/imm/immicl/immiclab_012.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 22:36:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j283aJcJ022640 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j283YuZj018946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j283YkT2082068; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j283Yi7k082037 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D8VUa-0003wM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:34:44 -0800 Message-ID: <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:34:59 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric to sell References: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Errr which group is this on Yahoo specifically? Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings all... > > Excuse this one announcement...I will be listing a bunch of fabric for > sale on the Swap & Sell yahoo groups. I should have it up tomorrow > with photos. It is primarily silks with a bit of wool so feel free to > email me if you are interested. If you aren't a member of the swap & > sell group and wish to join, please make sure you mention the fact > that you are an H-Costume member in your membership request. > > Cheers, > Danielle > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 00:01:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2851AX8023039 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j284u4aN025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j284hZwD025867; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j284hXNE025742 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31111 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:56:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:56:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric to sell In-Reply-To: <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > Errr which group is this on Yahoo specifically? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ We also have another: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ Maybe these should be merged... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 00:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j285Ccsa023073 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j285BoZj026106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2