From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 04:36:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j418aDV0026902 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:36:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j418ZUWj014044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 02:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j418ZIVG074541; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j418ZF86074515 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28055 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 08:35:08 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 01:35:08 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1751.24.4.69.40.1114936514.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <200505010312.j413CtvM026222@net.indra.com> References: <200505010312.j413CtvM026222@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 01:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Use of fur on sideless gowns From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I will have fun making this gown... > > Becky Becky, One word of advice.... ...don't use red velveteen. Once, many years ago, I made a tunic out of red velveteen with bell sleeves lined in white rabbit fur. I also put rabbit fur around the neck. It quickly earned me the nickname "Mrs. Claus" and I couldn't bear to wear it any more!! Wish I had a picture to share because now I think that it is *too* funny! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 06:50:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j41AoL55031957 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 06:50:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41AnbWj029096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 04:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41AnSEl032412; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j41AnPb2032366 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71533 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2005 10:49:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20050501104919.71531.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.142.201] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:49:19 BST Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 11:49:19 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trim - prefabricated braid frogging - help? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote:At 23:00 30/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Suugestions for suppliers of "prefabricated braid frogging closures" would >be very welcome. SNIP Kleins - haberdashery and craft supplies Barnett Lawson - huge range of braids, ribbons, buttons, feathers and trimmings Little Trimmings - small scale trimmings and lace, and a very helpful lady All the above have links on my web pages together with other suppliers of fabrics etc. Kleins and Barnett Lawson would be my first choices - Little Trimmings is probably more suitable for toys and dolls. REPLY Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking-for, - TYVM for your prompt response, and the Links therein. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 11:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j41FBisF000872 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 11:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41FAOWj005821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 09:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41FACwL058602; Sun, 1 May 2005 09:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j41FABrw058536 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBHK6KUAGFFHSJ for (sender ); Sun, 1 May 2005 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7shLVstp1uM0ntZECOcmkVUOvRpVOQ4f6g== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KRW3XMKE; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:09:35 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:09:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing grease on clothes Message-ID: <20050501.100926.-324779.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,20-21,26-27,33-34 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2005320973 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I would have thought that removing the kind of auto-lubricating > grease mentioned by a previous Lister, - would require lots of > highly-distilled denatured alcohol, or a very-refined White Spirit > or lots of Carbon Tetrachloride; - basically because - as I see that > problem, - the only remedy is to keep-on "flushing" the grease > stain,- and blotting-up the emulsified/disolved grease must > continue until the cleansing agent is coming-away clean. > Maybe a Lister who has had experience in the "Dry Cleaning" Trade > could add some comment? I know perchloroethelene (aka "perk", and I'm not guaranteeing the spelling from memory) is used both as a dry cleaning solvent and as an industrial de-greaser. However, at least in the US, you won't be able to buy some for home use. Government regulations, you know -- breathing in too much of the fumes will make you sick, and based on one animal test that AFAIK no one else has been able to reproduce it's on the "possible carcinogen" list. Besides, it's expensive. I've never worked anywhere that used petroleum solvent or the new liquid CO2 method; if the news articles on CO2 are accurate there's no way you're doing _that_ at home due to the high pressures needed to keep it liquid. I don't know if you could get some petroleum solvent to take home or not. I never did a lot of the dry cleaning, and now that I've been transferred to one of the drop-off locations I'm not doing any. Based on memory, I don't recall the plant manager having to do much pre-spotting on grease stains. The solvent and tumbling in the drum (think oversized front-loader washer) did the work for her. I know among the chemicals on the spotting board were some that would take out any remaining grease stains. When using those, we used a steam gun connected to the boiler to flush the stain, and the board had a vacuum to suck the steam/chemicals/crud away. At home, I'd think spot-treating, flushing with water, and blotting with a towel, repeated as needed, should work. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 12:17:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j41GHSLH001307 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41GGgWj010827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 10:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41GGaXE089153; Sun, 1 May 2005 10:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41GGYhd089081 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 10:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050501161629015004nf6le>; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:16:29 +0000 Received: from [67.168.12.165] by 204.127.197.119; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:16:28 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Funny Cats Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:16:28 +0000 Message-Id: <050120051616.25015.427500DC000AF888000061B722007614380809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for a great laugh, first thing in the morning! *almost* as good as coffee first thing... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > This is off topic but I know a lot of you have cats... so you will love this! > > http://www.themooseisloose.net/funny_cats.html > (have you volume on when watching) > > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 18:13:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j41MDXoM004181 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:13:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41MCeWj011299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 16:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41MCTFZ060537; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out-mail11.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41MCRsG060512 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:12:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=sj10u7=TI=sewingcity.com=becky@yourhostingaccount.com) Message-Id: <200505012212.j41MCRsG060512@net.indra.com> Received: from scan03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.233] helo=scan03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mail11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1DSMfr-00065a-8m for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 May 2005 18:12:27 -0400 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] ident=exim) by scan03.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1DSMfr-0006Tb-2u for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 May 2005 18:12:27 -0400 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] helo=authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1DSMfq-0006TY-TD for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 May 2005 18:12:26 -0400 Received: from pool-71-111-177-89.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.111.177.89] helo=random) by authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1DSMfq-0006G1-7B for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 May 2005 18:12:26 -0400 From: "Becky @ SewingCity.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Use of fur on sideless gowns Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:12:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <1751.24.4.69.40.1114936514.squirrel@www.inreach.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcVOKZ1Siys5M6ewR9aMxpURbIxqiwAcOm5g X-EN-UserInfo: 231a4af1c6595951fa0035d7a7dfc491:44225c88802e2dc5c324d40447d7bea9 X-EN-AuthUser: becky@sewingcity.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One word of advice.... ...don't use red velveteen. Actually, both the undergown and the sideless gown will be linen. I plan on lining the sideless so it moves nicely over the undergown. As for making one from velveteen... I wonder what fabrics would have been documentable for a sideless? Becky ------------ http://www.sewingcity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 1 18:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j41MNi23004245 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 18:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j41MN6Wj012175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2005 16:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41MN4Sq065308; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j41MMxXG065230 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LNS2C1M4S095MZ7G@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:22:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LNS2C1A16Y8WW46E@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:22:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:23:48 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of fur on sideless gowns In-reply-to: <200505012212.j41MCRsG060512@net.indra.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <427556F4.4040907@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <200505012212.j41MCRsG060512@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Becky @ SewingCity.com wrote: >One word of advice.... > >...don't use red velveteen. > >Actually, both the undergown and the sideless gown will be linen. I plan on >lining the sideless so it moves nicely over the undergown. > >As for making one from velveteen... I wonder what fabrics would have been >documentable for a sideless? > > Broadly, wools and silks. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 08:46:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42CkwTG009899 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42CkFWj029020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 06:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Ck6BD015144; Mon, 2 May 2005 06:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Ck4QB015051 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 06:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (220-253-120-223.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.223]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8796910D377 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:45:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:45:29 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Melbourne Fashion Week X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j42CkwTG009899 Status: RO At the opening event of Melbourne International Fashion Week, the big fashion event in Australia, a group of anti-fur protesters staged a demonstration out the front. They were not halted by the fact that no fur was being displayed inside, -C (who eats the insides and wears the outsides). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 14:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42IIdK3012152 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42IHPWj017131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 12:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IH9Ve067568; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IGfDe067136 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 297BC3F27 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:16:38 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1115057797380; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:16:37 -1000 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:16:37 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Got a message from Barnes & Noble last night that they had cancelled my order because the book was unavailable :-(. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 14:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42IOiw2012191 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42INrWj018970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 12:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42INkKK073637; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42INevA073452 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 13:23:21 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bummer! I just email from Barnes & Noble: Despite our efforts, we were unable to fulfill some or all of the items in your order, as noted below. We have canceled this portion of your order. We are sorry we were unable to complete your order and apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. We hope you will return to http://www.bn.com at a later date to see if this merchandise is back in stock. Sincerely, -- Barnes & Noble.com The only item I had on this order was MC&T. When I saw the email in my inbox I had hoped it was to tell me this had shipped so this is a real bummer. Has anyone gotten this from B&N? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 14:31:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42IVVOA012236 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42IUcWj020690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 12:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IUUVH079809; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IUIVC079560 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j42IUH7M003629 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050502142908.00c4cd10@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 14:30:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So did I... I'm debating ordering it from Amazon... but I recall they had a MUCH higher price on it... ; < grrr. Bridgette / Mari >Got a message from Barnes & Noble last night that they had cancelled my >order because the book was unavailable :-(. Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 14:33:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42IXiNZ012246 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:33:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42IX7Wj021371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 12:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IX5OJ082157; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j42IX3p4082043 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63484 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2005 18:32:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LiLrPSRhuuej5athaT6aDtSxoPdPBhqs4LokMZvzJGnW2uTESPdB/WVHzowitBQB5UM+Qh/KqAOqlHp+9u/l58+h1fTShMmZHpOSYJcW7txbZWDnYtqGddTpxCvCutuWdeFwJDCBNMJsieilZICbfSDFfJH+kaVUNZUYdjbbTgo= ; Message-ID: <20050502183258.63482.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 11:32:58 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too. I wish I knew why??? Not enough orders to finalize a shipment? I am so bummed, but I'll be ordering it from Boydell & Brewer: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM RATS!!! Chris G. Catherine Kinsey wrote: Bummer! I just email from Barnes & Noble: Despite our efforts, we were unable to fulfill some or all of the items in your order, as noted below. We have canceled this portion of your order. We are sorry we were unable to complete your order and apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. We hope you will return to http://www.bn.com at a later date to see if this merchandise is back in stock. Sincerely, -- Barnes & Noble.com The only item I had on this order was MC&T. When I saw the email in my inbox I had hoped it was to tell me this had shipped so this is a real bummer. Has anyone gotten this from B&N? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 15:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42JDTDM012729 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42JCcWj027421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 13:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42JCYR7015681; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42JCRqv015540 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17174 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:28:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:28:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] B&N and MC&T X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My contact at Boydell has no idea why B&N would be listing the book as unavailable, as it most definitely is available. The first shipment arrived in the US on April 21, and most of that has been sold; more are on the way. B&N typically goes through a wholesaler that should also be receiving them around now, if they haven't already. And that's all she knows, and thus all I know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 15:41:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42JfjqO012909 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42JejWj001380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 13:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42JecdU038703; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42JeZER038563 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so3371262wri for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T+jh0v3xbMfIDvG8G0mbzEF3e/GRJsYag8IUipo8E2W9c4l7w7PO4SkuGXWgBLtrbophUoosamlrGKjc5Rvuqx1HG5tllLfOx6HLsInHJaP9k/zXoAzWJd3Q64o4sYGUPmkMBRw5KYWPn3oW1OTP5osPjCDR65zhNizHcmaxXfM= Received: by 10.54.125.3 with SMTP id x3mr728496wrc; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.21.32 with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:40:20 -0500 From: Onaree Berard To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j42JeZER038563 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: B&N and MC&T X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can confirm that, I've recieved my copy already and I ordered directly from Boydell when it was first announced. I really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure if I would since I've never read an academic journal as opposed to something geared towards the mass market. I'm looking forward to hearing other people's views (now I know why I haven't heard anything till now). Let us know when the next is available for preorder, Robin, I'm looking forward to it. Onaree On 5/2/05, Robin Netherton wrote: > > My contact at Boydell has no idea why B&N would be listing the book as > unavailable, as it most definitely is available. The first shipment > arrived in the US on April 21, and most of that has been sold; more are on > the way. B&N typically goes through a wholesaler that should also be > receiving them around now, if they haven't already. And that's all she > knows, and thus all I know. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 16:09:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42K9pkU013118 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42K9AWj004510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 14:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42K91px061736; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j42K8sPU061603 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6413 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2005 20:08:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C1jARhnhmxWALZy4KH8NjtCebVFZ58ts+WGllSSuTX9RcA7cZjJWk3T8LDZZt5x3aN0RnuIu2bKp/KBxw/ON339QayeMak1KYz0zh9LJfYmVaBBnN/J5tlnUtrPkViL9ZO0Qc5IAUcUez01eLnVBvluLMFr6aUxxsoEDFikxzPo= ; Message-ID: <20050502200849.6411.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:08:49 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] B&N and MC&T To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Robin, but I'll just order through Boydell as I don't want to wait. I HOPE B&N isn't going the route that Amazon is... Chris G. Robin Netherton wrote: My contact at Boydell has no idea why B&N would be listing the book as unavailable, as it most definitely is available. The first shipment arrived in the US on April 21, and most of that has been sold; more are on the way. B&N typically goes through a wholesaler that should also be receiving them around now, if they haven't already. And that's all she knows, and thus all I know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 16:32:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42KWrQN013244 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42KVnWj007146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42KViL0082013; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j42KVgW1081929 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99512 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2005 20:31:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ikFFQwZEXO223BjK8X8S3nzCg9ibQYac8se7ZxyPXZuKcxJvnbWgc99n+8WgSvtJtRJrIwWldnHqWliMo0Ab1CDzmYJrc32rXmPfBmYPk4WVnEKeXF9o+dqPrLoKZqR1zDLv6gPpihQOFgnA5AI2F75OXoghA2duIs8oBamRmYw= ; Message-ID: <20050502203137.99510.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.225.179.59] by web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:31:36 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also got burned by this email from Barnes & Noble. Very, Very Frustrating. So I've gone somewhere else to order it, but am frustrated at the time that has been wasted and the cost differential now included. *sigh* Jonnalyhn/ Angharat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 17:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42LCUn6013515 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42LBLWj012324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 15:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42LB9Tk015275; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42LB2Rv015185 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18246 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:26:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:26:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order In-Reply-To: <20050502203137.99510.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 2 May 2005, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > So I've gone somewhere else to order it, but am frustrated at the time > that has been wasted and the cost differential now included. To those of you that were burned in this way (and boy, am I annoyed), please remember this post I made a few weeks ago: Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:33:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: MC&T journal? was: untitled post For those who haven't bought yet, today I received a batch of flyers that I may distribute to my colleagues -- and they include a discount code that brings the price down to $37.50. That's not as good as the Barnes & Noble price, last I looked. But if you want that discount, please e-mail me directly. I consider the members of this list my colleagues, and am happy to offer you the deal. However, please do *not* forward the above paragraph elsewhere, as I cannot claim that the members of several dozen costume lists are my colleagues ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:09:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42M9Z1D013935 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:09:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42M8gWj022211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42M8bBv064304; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j41FAB5m058537 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBHK6KUAGR4ZH2 for (sender ); Sun, 1 May 2005 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7shLVstp1uM0YpQElDU2e5Ku6bd29Up9RQ== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KRW3XMJG; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:09:35 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:00:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing grease on clothes Message-ID: <20050501.100014.-299249.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,20-21,26-27,33-34 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2005320973 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I would have thought that removing the kind of auto-lubricating > grease mentioned by a previous Lister, - would require lots of > highly-distilled denatured alcohol, or a very-refined White Spirit > or lots of Carbon Tetrachloride; - basically because - as I see that > problem, - the only remedy is to keep-on "flushing" the grease > stain,- and blotting-up the emulsified/disolved grease must > continue until the cleansing agent is coming-away clean. > Maybe a Lister who has had experience in the "Dry Cleaning" Trade > could add some comment? I know perchloroethelene (aka "perk", and I'm not guaranteeing the spelling from memory) is used both as a dry cleaning solvent and as an industrial de-greaser. However, at least in the US, you won't be able to buy some for home use. Government regulations, you know -- breathing in too much of the fumes will make you sick, and based on one animal test that AFAIK no one else has been able to reproduce it's on the "possible carcinogen" list. Besides, it's expensive. I've never worked anywhere that used petroleum solvent or the new liquid CO2 method; if the news articles on CO2 are accurate there's no way you're doing _that_ at home due to the high pressures needed to keep it liquid. I don't know if you could get some petroleum solvent to take home or not. I never did a lot of the dry cleaning, and now that I've been transferred to one of the drop-off locations I'm not doing any. Based on memory, I don't recall the plant manager having to do much pre-spotting on grease stains. The solvent and tumbling in the drum (think oversized front-loader washer) did the work for her. I know among the chemicals on the spotting board were some that would take out any remaining grease stains. When using those, we used a steam gun connected to the boiler to flush the stain, and the board had a vacuum to suck the steam/chemicals/crud away. At home, I'd think spot-treating, flushing with water, and blotting with a towel, repeated as needed, should work. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:23:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42MNIEi014048 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:23:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MMXWj024238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MMOpK075926; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42EE5QI063478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42EDwRh032667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:13:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42EDwtb032662; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:13:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <57061.165.236.184.195.1115043238.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> References: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melbourne Fashion Week From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OH! Were there any new glove fashions shown? Are there any pictures of them anywhere? I have noticed lately that they are reincorporating gloves with outragious designs in the last year. Let us know! :) Chiara > At the opening event of Melbourne International Fashion Week, the > big fashion event in Australia, a group of anti-fur protesters > staged a demonstration out the front. They were not halted by the > fact that no fur was being displayed inside, > > -C (who eats the insides and wears the outsides). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:25:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42MPFK3014059 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:25:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MOqWj024487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MOprT077791; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42EVLhh074905 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:31:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:31:04 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ribs-Thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for all the input about the rib removal myth. Hopefully I will be able to add some more solid information to it. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42MbXQ5014183 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42Mb2Wj025903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MauBJ086767; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42IObsV074361 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16657 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:40:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:40:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 2 May 2005, lisa wrote: > Got a message from Barnes & Noble last night that they had cancelled > my order because the book was unavailable :-(. Which is really, really weird, because my contact at Boydell informed me that they arrived at the US warehouse last week. I wonder if B&N has some sort of set time period on pre-orders at which they declare something "unavailable." I will ask my contact whether they can do anything about this. I know a lot of people ordered through B&N. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42MchbH014187 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42McFWj026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42McDgt088080; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Ip2IL097260 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bdominey@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-66-56-71-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net[66.56.71.212]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050502185057014009m2q1e>; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:50:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050502183258.63482.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050502183258.63482.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <19b676c321020e53975202736c20378d@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Barbara Dominey Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:50:56 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Received mine from Boydell & Brewer late last week. Barb (who hasn't had much to say up till now...) On May 2, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Chris wrote: > Me too. I wish I knew why??? Not enough orders to finalize a > shipment? I am so bummed, but I'll be ordering it from Boydell & > Brewer: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM > > RATS!!! > Chris G. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:39:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42MdUtE014193 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MdAWj026666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Md9Tw088957; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Md5SP088815 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.8b.268e167c (4459) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.268e167c.2fa80602@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:38:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] A 19th century cap To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you so much for sharing. The sewing techniques and linen tape you describe sound very, very similar to those utilized in an extant white linen apron I own that has been dated pre-1800 so it is entirely possible the cap is earlier that 1840. If you can put up some images, we would love to see. Best regards, Susannah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:43:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42Mh3S2014266 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:43:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MgDWj027616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MgAF9091559; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:HGLokGy/MsD1KhPMv5lGJr9bNneKTH44@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42Mg7UA091522 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j42Mg78H031646 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:42:07 -0400 Received: from dci012034013138.discovery.com ([12.34.13.138]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53051.12.34.13.138.1115073727.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <19b676c321020e53975202736c20378d@comcast.net> References: <20050502183258.63482.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19b676c321020e53975202736c20378d@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Job opportunity at the Met X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This was on a museum list - Looks like fun and maybe it fits the skills of an h-costume listmember! -Carol Once again, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a fantastic opportunity to share with your members. Please forward this opportunity to any interested parties or post accordingly. Contact us if you have any questions or concerns. Sincerely, Employment Generalist The Metropolitan Museum of Art Human Resources PRODUCTION ASSOCIATE The Metropolitan Museum of Art, one of the world's finest museums, seeks a Merchandise Production Associate in the Textile Reproductions Department. The Production Associate is responsible for supporting the department Manager in all administrative aspects of the product development process including managing the day-to-day communication and coordination with other departments and follow-up on development progress with vendors, researching the Met collections for appropriate images for use in merchandise development, and maintaining a database of new product development. Successful candidates will have 3-5 years experience in a similar field. Strong administrative and computer skills required, including MS Excel, Word, Outlook, Photoshop. Color expertise and interest in fashion preferred. College degree required. Design training or experience and knowledge of art history preferred. Please send cover letter, resume, and salary history to employoppty@metmuseum.org as a Word attachment only with the position title in the subject line, or fax to 212-570-3882. The Metropolitan Museum of Art 1000 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10028-0198 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:48:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42Mm3gX014324 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:48:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MlTWj028742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MlMxh095689; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42KDTc0065466 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:13:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17643 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 14:29:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:29:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: B&N and MC&T In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 2 May 2005, Onaree Berard wrote: > I really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure if I would since I've never read an > academic journal as opposed to something geared towards the mass > market. That does my heart good! Thank you for the feedback! > Let us know when the next is available for preorder, Robin, I'm > looking forward to it. I'll keep the list posted. I can tell you the topics it will cover (I'm winding up the editing process this month): - Dress and accessories in an early Irish story (with comparisons to surviving artifacts) - Textual inscriptions in the Bayeux Tapestry - References to clothmaking in 12th-c. French romances - Paris's role in the 13th- and 14th-c. textile markets - Attitudes about apparel and impoverishment in medieval and Early Modern England - Textile cleaning techniques in Renaissance Europe (this is by Drea Leed, whom many people here know) - Zibellini (commonly known as "flea furs") - The English embroidered jacket (that one is by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, also a listmember) Just wanted to whet your appetite ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 18:58:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j42Mvtrr014459 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:58:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j42MvMWj000186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MvJeZ003129; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j42MvHTi003008 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0265D138A51; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust31.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.31]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A002F138A41; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:57:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric stores & etc in WY, MT, ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The husband and I are planning a nice rambling trip all over Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho (and driving through NW Missouri and Nebraska to get there). We might dip into Washington briefly, but we wouldn't be going far enough west to hit the Pendleton outlets. Are there any other fabric stores in that part of the country that are worth visiting? I'm particularly in the market for wool, linen, or silk damasks and brocades, but I certainly wouldn't pass up nicely priced basics such as tropical weight worsteds or gobs of linens. (We HAD been planning to go to the northeast instead of the northwest, and I was going to spend several hours in the general vicinity of Jomar and all the other nice fabric stores around there, but oh well! Maybe next year.) Also, is there anything around there this summer that a clothing & art museums person might not want to miss? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 20:36:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j430aMTK015016 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 20:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j430ZKWj009560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 18:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430Z3Y5059392; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430Z05H059300 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m245.in-tch.com [216.166.191.245]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j430UQ429025 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4276C87D.3050009@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:40:29 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] B&N and MC&T References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I ordered my copy of MC&T through B&N, and a day before the expected shipping date (a couple of weeks ago), they notified me that their stock had run out, and it could be up to a month longer before I got mine. Which is a bummer, as I've been waiting a while now. Maybe the demand just exceeded their original expectations? --Sue, who supposes she can console herself with the Anglo-Saxon clothing book, or with _Woven into the Earth_ :o) Robin Netherton wrote: > My contact at Boydell has no idea why B&N would be listing the book as > unavailable, as it most definitely is available. The first shipment > arrived in the US on April 21, and most of that has been sold; more are on > the way. B&N typically goes through a wholesaler that should also be > receiving them around now, if they haven't already. And that's all she > knows, and thus all I know. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 20:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j430vtpo015140 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 20:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j430vTWj011189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 18:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430vLP6070663; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430vIS6070603 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m245.in-tch.com [216.166.191.245]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j430qk403500 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4276CDBA.9030907@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:02:50 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric stores & etc in WY, MT, ID References: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actual fabric stores in the state of MT? Surely you jest? There are some interesting fiber places scattered in the state, but truly, the only fabric stores I've seen in this state in the last 10 years have been JoAnn's, and there are two Hancock's. And your random assortment of quilt-fabric shops. But not much at all for garment/apparel. For that, I generally go out of state or order online. We have lots of other nice touristy things in the state, though. What part of it are you cutting through? --Sue (in the middle/NW area of Montana) E House wrote: > The husband and I are planning a nice rambling trip all over Wyoming, > Montana, and Idaho (and driving through NW Missouri and Nebraska to get > there). We might dip into Washington briefly, but we wouldn't be going > far enough west to hit the Pendleton outlets. Are there any other > fabric stores in that part of the country that are worth visiting? I'm > particularly in the market for wool, linen, or silk damasks and > brocades, but I certainly wouldn't pass up nicely priced basics such as > tropical weight worsteds or gobs of linens. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 21:00:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4310Rhh015154 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:00:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j430xcWj011330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 18:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430xamp071722; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j430wJvM071127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j432Fh2P017379 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:15:43 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bummer! MC&T Order Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:58:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505022058.13181.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 02 May 2005 2:23 pm, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Bummer! I just email from Barnes & Noble: > > Despite our efforts, we were unable to fulfill some or all of the items > > in your order, as noted below. We have canceled this portion of your > order. > > We are sorry we were unable to complete your order and apologize for > any inconvenience this has caused. [snip] > > The only item I had on this order was MC&T. When I saw the email in my > inbox I had hoped it was to tell me this had shipped so this is a real > bummer. Has anyone gotten this from B&N? > No, but B&N didn't cancel my order either. It gave me the option to wait another 30 days for MC&T (until May 31, 2005). -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 21:27:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j431R4cj015320 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:27:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j431QWWj013432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 19:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j431QS6G085051; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com (web41903.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j431QPqF084975 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9443 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2005 01:26:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZwkcTeWf6SY7T3VPIDej1zjWK2zDvzDm2maXtEcDj46oY/ijRCnvFbMhgTbItFnm8qd/75vOQkRpNVTQlufE/godwH7xWkASB+dVcWPuws8neaJKuytB7JhdnDoo1w7HgG79CAic/FkthTW/we91z0zc3Ryr2acnjFwnwWtijDc= ; Message-ID: <20050503012620.9441.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.99.97.201] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:26:19 PDT Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200505030039.j430c5Dx060931@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 288 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was trying to order this book for a friend of mine as a birthday gift and I have not been able to place any orders with B&N for over 2 weeks now.. What is going on with them???? I go on the site and all teh books i hvae marked at teh begining of last month say they are unavailable to order????? this is really strage.. Satine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 21:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j431W8Aa015350 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j431VbWj014176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 19:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j431VYuE087923; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j431VWpG087888 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-12147); Mon, 02 May 2005 18:31:31 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:31:27 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050502182504.00da22a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:31:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric stores & etc in WY, MT, ID In-Reply-To: <4276CDBA.9030907@in-tch.com> References: <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, there's Reproduction Fabrics (Fabrics of time periods 1775-1970, as well as indigo-dyed prints) in Bozeman, MT. Here's some information from their web site: We are located in the beautiful Gallatin Valley surrounded by four mountain ranges. Our outlet store is in downtown Bozeman, Montana USA. Come Visit!! Just north of Yellowstone National Park, there is much to do here year-round, particularly in the outdoors: visit Yellowstone, hike out beautiful mountains, enjoy our world class fishing and big game hunting, ski at Big Sky or Bridger Bowl, and ...and, ..AND we are here! To find us at 25 N. Willson St, Suite A, we are right downtown one block off Main Street (hwy 191). Look for the landmark 7-story Baxter Hotel Building on the corner of Main & Willson. We are on Willson Street side of that block. Our hours are 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. M-F (MST) and 10-3 on Saturday (but our servers work 24 hours a day!). The telephone number is 800-380-4611. The web site is http://www.reproductionfabrics.com/ . If you go to the web site you can get a map. So there is at least one real fabric store in Montana, even if most of their business is mail order. Joan At 07:02 PM 5/2/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Actual fabric stores in the state of MT? Surely you jest? >There are some interesting fiber places scattered in the state, but truly, >the only fabric stores I've seen in this state in the last 10 years have >been JoAnn's, and there are two Hancock's. And your random assortment of >quilt-fabric shops. But not much at all for garment/apparel. For that, I >generally go out of state or order online. >We have lots of other nice touristy things in the state, though. What >part of it are you cutting through? >--Sue (in the middle/NW area of Montana) > >E House wrote: > >>The husband and I are planning a nice rambling trip all over Wyoming, >>Montana, and Idaho (and driving through NW Missouri and Nebraska to get >>there). We might dip into Washington briefly, but we wouldn't be going >>far enough west to hit the Pendleton outlets. Are there any other fabric >>stores in that part of the country that are worth visiting? I'm >>particularly in the market for wool, linen, or silk damasks and brocades, >>but I certainly wouldn't pass up nicely priced basics such as tropical >>weight worsteds or gobs of linens. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 21:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j431woQk015470 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j431w6Wj015936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 19:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j431w0Bk000590; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j431vwoC000543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 19:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j433FINc018022 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:15:22 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 288 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:57:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050503012620.9441.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050503012620.9441.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505022157.47850.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 02 May 2005 9:26 pm, Lady Satine wrote: > I was trying to order this book for a friend of mine as a birthday gift > and I have not been able to place any orders with B&N for over 2 weeks > now.. What is going on with them???? I go on the site and all teh books i > hvae marked at teh begining of last month say they are unavailable to > order????? this is really strage.. If you mean "Medieval Costume & Textiles, vol. 1," I have no idea what's up with B&N; I'm annoyed with them myself; I'm waiting for a copy too. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 22:49:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j432n3sS016049 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:49:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j432mJWj020276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 20:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j432mE2L024911; Mon, 2 May 2005 20:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j432mC5W024854 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 20:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE473BC8A for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:48:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:48:35 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] missing web site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a Network Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to it: Elizabethan Costuming Page http://costume.dm.net/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 23:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4337kfM016111 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4336BWj021936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 21:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j433651U034650; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j43363NH034637 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-5035); Mon, 02 May 2005 20:05:59 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 20:05:49 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050502200507.00da64d0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:05:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site In-Reply-To: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:48 PM 5/2/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a Network >Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to it: > >Elizabethan Costuming Page >http://costume.dm.net/ > > >Dawn I just went to it. Seems fine. Joan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 23:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j433C284016120 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j433BBWj022256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 21:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j433B8hX036875; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j433B6m3036802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j434SVhB019116 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:28:31 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:11:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505022311.00755.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 02 May 2005 10:48 pm, Dawn wrote: > Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a Network > Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to it: > > Elizabethan Costuming Page > http://costume.dm.net/ > It came up just fine for me literally a few seconds ago. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 2 23:18:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j433I7wk016155 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:18:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j433HWWj022798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 21:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j433HSrZ039889; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j433HQSR039842 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-110-126.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.110.126]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j433HFPP025875 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:17:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050502222722.00a12670@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:29:52 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Elizabethan Pattern: The Working Woman's Wardrobe In-Reply-To: <002101c54dd9$686f6520$dbd14fd1@dnyeaqvf> References: <001c01c54d2a$b2335180$4a59ad8e@bc.hsia.telus.net> <001901c54d65$fc15cd10$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Margo, I just looked through my new July 2005 Threads magazine... Congrats on being featured! Sheryl N-D At 04:07 PM 4/30/05 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, everyone! > >I'm happy to announce the release of yet another historically accurate, >highly detailed >Elizabethan Pattern! >To see it and order, go to www.margospatterns.com > >Thanks! > >Margo Anderson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 00:29:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j434TpQC016427 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j434Smgh001657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 22:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434SbtH074701; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434SXhi074670 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m157.in-tch.com [216.166.191.157]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j434O6416281 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4276FF40.3060302@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:34:08 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric stores & etc in WY, MT, ID References: <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> <01ce01c54f6a$70eb6590$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4.2.2.20050502182504.00da22a0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050502182504.00da22a0@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, you're right. I'd forgotten about them. I'm several hours from Bozeman, so it's not something I'd think of automatically, but I've got a friend who's ordered from them, and they're on my "possibly good source for repro. prints" for a quilt I want to make (recreating a summer quilt that came from my Mom's family somewhere, and which is pieced in a Dresden Plate pattern, using flour-sack prints from the 30s). Thanks for the info! --sue Joan Jurancich wrote: > Well, there's Reproduction Fabrics (Fabrics of time periods 1775-1970, > as well as indigo-dyed prints) in Bozeman, MT. Here's some information > from their web site: > At 07:02 PM 5/2/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >> Actual fabric stores in the state of MT? Surely you jest? >> There are some interesting fiber places scattered in the state, but >> truly, the only fabric stores I've seen in this state in the last 10 >> years have been JoAnn's, and there are two Hancock's. And your random >> assortment of quilt-fabric shops. But not much at all for >> garment/apparel. For that, I generally go out of state or order online. >> We have lots of other nice touristy things in the state, though. What >> part of it are you cutting through? >> --Sue (in the middle/NW area of Montana) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 00:32:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j434WTtU016443 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j434Vsgh001986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 22:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434VsXT076175; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434VqrF076113 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m157.in-tch.com [216.166.191.157]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j434RK416920 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42770002.2090402@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:37:22 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site References: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe it's you? Or the time during which you were checking? I just tried, using the link in your post, and it popped right up. But then, I did that roughly two hours after your post's time mark, and I'm using Netscape (sometimes the browser makes a difference). --sue Dawn wrote: > Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a Network > Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to it: > > Elizabethan Costuming Page > http://costume.dm.net/ > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 00:53:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j434rQUR016499 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j434qlgh003444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 22:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434qitF084788; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j434qhHA084754 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 May 2005 21:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.208 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 May 2005 04:52:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.208] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] B&N and MC&T Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:52:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:52:41 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 04:52:52.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6A94220:01C54F9B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j434rQUR016499 Status: RO The only thing I can think of is that B&N discovered they didn't really want to sell at the lower advertised price after all. Witht the falling dollar, Boydell has been raising prices (and not necessarily advising retailers first.) The orders to bookstores have been shipped - I got mine last week. It looks really nice although I haven't had time to sit down and read it. However, my husband stayed up late the other night reading the article on clothing mentions in Viking sagas! I'm glad Boydell was talked into a more reasonable price - their new catalog came today and all their other journals seem to be $90. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 01:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4351xwg016533 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 01:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4351Tgh004089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 May 2005 23:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4351Oko088729; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4351Jv8088696 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21702 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:17:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:17:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] B&N and MC&T In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 3 May 2005, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > The only thing I can think of is that B&N discovered they didn't > really want to sell at the lower advertised price after all. That was my thought too. It was an *awfully* good price. I think it may have been set during the brief period when Boydell had the journal up for $40 (it was soon changed to $50). > Witht the falling dollar, Boydell has been raising prices (and not > necessarily advising retailers first.) The orders to bookstores have > been shipped - I got mine last week. It looks really nice although I > haven't had time to sit down and read it. However, my husband stayed > up late the other night reading the article on clothing mentions in > Viking sagas! Or, more precisely, "What to wear to a slaying." (Answer: Something blue.) > I'm glad Boydell was talked into a more reasonable price - their new > catalog came today and all their other journals seem to be $90. We worked very hard at that. I know $50 seems like a lot, but compared to what Boydell was originally planning, it's a huge difference. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 04:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j438JjjH021704 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 04:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j438J7gh015525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 May 2005 02:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j438Is1h070043; Tue, 3 May 2005 02:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j438Iq56070020 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 02:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from [69.3.237.125] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSscF-0007IP-MJ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 May 2005 04:18:51 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type; b=alvi9Duwlg+PgfS2wD1/n8YUOdkQI+l9mDtcvb9rmWnG9UCqVOy1U54RScuFUMp6; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: heather.jones@earthlink.net@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42770002.2090402@in-tch.com> References: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> <42770002.2090402@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 01:10:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47874241ab66785ff6df575cdfb8d05196f2453f74b47e2552a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.237.125 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a >>Network Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to >>it: >> >>Elizabethan Costuming Page >>http://costume.dm.net/ If your browser caches copies of pages, you may have only hit an "under construction" version of the page once, but your browser keeps feeding you that copy from cache, rather than downloading a new copy. Even hitting the "refresh" button won't necessarily get around this. See if you can find a command in your browser to clear your cache folder (or delete the contents of your cache, or various other ways of phrasing it). Then try the page again. No guarantees that this will work in your particular case, but it's worked for me when I've had similar problems. Heather -- -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 09:28:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j43DRxiR021001 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 09:27:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j43DQngh017693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 May 2005 07:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43DQald007983; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j43DQYXk007929 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90732 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2005 13:26:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FvqsU5K96yHvdj6rCEIu9j5XUxM3SPVhPBLn0Mqg24fVic7f/haLRD0doT8PebFzXLZL7aQUTZkUX8HABGxvNTyO0JEHQAtBqcGs5kbd/mIxiCu4o5YcrTFcOohYTQek4oXMr3OMsVmhbRmW2x6o0kaPyFLyRp9bQS4qm/Tx/rc= ; Message-ID: <20050503132625.90730.qmail@web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:26:25 PDT Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Heather, I'm at work (much better connection than my old dial-up at home) and the page opened right up for me. Chris G. Heather Rose Jones wrote: >>Is it me, or has this website gone missing? I keep getting a >>Network Solutions "under construction" ad when I try any links to >>it: >> >>Elizabethan Costuming Page >>http://costume.dm.net/ If your browser caches copies of pages, you may have only hit an "under construction" version of the page once, but your browser keeps feeding you that copy from cache, rather than downloading a new copy. Even hitting the "refresh" button won't necessarily get around this. See if you can find a command in your browser to clear your cache folder (or delete the contents of your cache, or various other ways of phrasing it). Then try the page again. No guarantees that this will work in your particular case, but it's worked for me when I've had similar problems. Heather -- -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 09:42:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j43DgrJS021084 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 09:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j43Dfjgh018795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 May 2005 07:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43DfglJ015996; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43DfbWS015909 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 07:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:41:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:41:19 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Called B&N X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Finally found a phone number on the website for customer service. Per the poor guy who was lucky enough to get my call; when they have to delay shipping for a second time on an item, they cancel the order. Period. I pointed out to him that we were given the option to continue or cancel when there was the first delay and doing this the second time, when the book was so close to arriving, and is still listed on their website (altho without a price) looks like they are trying to now renig on the discount the offered for advance orders. I was polite, but he knew I was not happy :). I suggested he might want to let their customer service know that they had several unhappy customers over this and this policy should be reviewed. Some books are worth waiting for :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 11:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j43FRt9a021729 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 11:27:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j43FQqgh029573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 May 2005 09:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43FQird092486; Tue, 3 May 2005 09:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43FQciu092277 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 09:26:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A412C3BC8B for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 10:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42779846.7020400@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:27:02 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] missing web site References: <4276E683.5050502@reddawn.net> <42770002.2090402@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <42770002.2090402@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > Maybe it's you? Or the time during which you were checking? I just > tried, using the link in your post, and it popped right up. But then, I > did that roughly two hours after your post's time mark, and I'm using > Netscape (sometimes the browser makes a difference). > --sue Thanks everyone who checked. I've been seeing that particular error page a lot lately, from various sites *I KNOW* are there , and it's not until I ask someone else on a different connection to check it too that I'm able to finally view it. We just changed DNS providers and I think something with our service is hinky. Now if I could get my husband to believe me... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 3 12:17:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j43GHPgN022061 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 12:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j43GFwgh005385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 May 2005 10:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43GFlp5040163; Tue, 3 May 2005 10:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43GFgU4040059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 10:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-62.sonic.net [209.148.114.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j43GFemo030832 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 09:15:41 -0700 Message-ID: <4277A3AC.6090101@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:15:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Called B&N References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In our experience as a publisher, Barnes and Noble listings have little to do with book availability. They've listed books as available a month before we got them from the printer, they've waited over a month to list them after we have informed them the book is available. It's just the way they work. Fran Lavolta Presss Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Catherine Kinsey wrote: >Finally found a phone number on the website for customer service. Per >the poor guy who was lucky enough to get my call; when they have to >delay shipping for a second time on an item, they cancel the order. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 08:04:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44C4K6l029968 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 08:04:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44C3bgh007638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 06:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44C3NkQ060265; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44C3LEj060230 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dgandh@t-online.de) Received: from fwd23.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DTIb2-0004sZ-03; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:03:20 +0200 Received: from gandolf (bRPTBZZBgeEvjxojOsR3lTpk3uINcISOs2JTH509yoQA+3eWDiGJUI@[84.170.198.86]) by fwd23.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DTIa7-2Bn8Oe0; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:02:23 +0200 From: "dgandh" To: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:02:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVQoR+CEZ1K7uolRpyoC4HFJgOdMA== Message-ID: <1DTIa7-2Bn8Oe0@fwd23.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: bRPTBZZBgeEvjxojOsR3lTpk3uINcISOs2JTH509yoQA+3eWDiGJUI X-TOI-MSGID: 1567d670-7df7-4f4f-9370-31bef34584aa X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am making a sailors short jacket circa 1706. it's a linen lined heavy wool jacket. I have cut out and sewn together the body and the sleeves so I basically have "two" jackets, a linen one and a wool one that I need to sew together. What should I do first? Linen to wool sleeve then attach to body then sew the body linen lining into the wool jacket Or Sew linen lining sleves to linen body, sew wool sleeves to wool body, then linen jacket into wool jacket? Or something else? Thanks in advance Greg www.gentlemenoffortune.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 08:33:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44CXAQm030168 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 08:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44CWagh009354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 06:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44CWXhG081172; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44CWNhY081017 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 12:32:17 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050504132908.014d5310@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:30:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together In-Reply-To: <1DTIa7-2Bn8Oe0@fwd23.sul.t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:02 04/05/2005 +0200, you wrote: >I am making a sailors short jacket circa 1706. it's a linen lined heavy >wool jacket. I have cut out and sewn together the body and the sleeves so I >basically have "two" jackets, a linen one and a wool one that I need to sew >together. > > > >What should I do first? > >Linen to wool sleeve then attach to body then sew the body linen lining into >the wool jacket That is the way I make jackets and coats - I don't know if it is the right way. Look at your ribbed silk coat that I made you - you will see the armholes are hand sewn. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 08:42:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44CgITl030259 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 08:42:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44Cfdgh010148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 06:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44CfavF087776; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44CfXSv087666 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (220-253-120-54.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.54]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 18C85110E5C for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:41:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c550a6$8cf53300$3678fddc@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c54f14$d5a30ca0$df78fddc@chris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Melbourne Fashion Week gloves Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:41:09 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nope, no gloves visible unless they are in the raggy handbags...still, most of this has been daywear so far so they are not doing the glove thing in female business stories...Only a few after dark pieces so far, I'll mumble something if they come out during the evening wear. Hey, why can't blokes have gloves, too? For that matter, why do we all have to be unshaven to make it in the fashion stakes? -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 08:48:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44CmhtX030310 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 08:48:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44Clmgh010559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 06:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44CljFx092251; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44ClgEJ092211 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 06:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from chris (220-253-120-54.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.54]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 51E3771408 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:47:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002001c550a7$6c0a44e0$3678fddc@chris> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050504132908.014d5310@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:47:24 +1000 Organization: Australian Costume Supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hard to say without seeing the thing but you might wanna try leaving the centre back lining (if there is a seam there) open so you can drag bits through for inside finishing. Stitch the inside-back seam last, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 09:32:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44DWE4Z030672 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:32:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44DVZgh013656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 07:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44DVS82026277; Wed, 4 May 2005 07:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44DVQ8N026178 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 07:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([66.42.215.13]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050504132739.UKVN6299.smtp1.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:27:39 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.42.215.13]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050504132536.EVFO21147.gx6.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:25:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20050504091429.00ae4c80@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:20:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Louis of Hungary In-Reply-To: <005701c54d22$14b9b9b0$0301010a@michaela> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20050429021307.00ae7320@pop.fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-17F7201E X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela, I only have Photoshop, but if you send me the pictures, I can see what I can do to them. Sorry that I did not reply sooner, shortly after I posted the original message, I got slapped with a monster cold. Jennifer At 01:15 PM 4/30/05 +1200, you wrote: >I have some that were sent to me by the lady who gave me these: >http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/mary/index.htm >I can send you the full sized images if you have a program to clean them up >a bit, or if you don't mind waiting a few days I can tryto clean them up and >put them on my website. > >michaela de bruce >http://glittersweet.com > what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 11:42:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44FgZ0e031595 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 11:42:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44FfOgh028926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 09:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44Feuon044318; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44FelOo044141 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30199 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 16:00:08 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 May 2005 09:00:08 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2005 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1046.24.4.69.40.1115221246.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1DTIa7-2Bn8Oe0@fwd23.sul.t-online.de> References: <1DTIa7-2Bn8Oe0@fwd23.sul.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am making a sailors short jacket circa 1706. it's a linen lined heavy > wool jacket. I have cut out and sewn together the body and the sleeves so > I > basically have "two" jackets, a linen one and a wool one that I need to > sew > together. > > > > What should I do first? > > Linen to wool sleeve then attach to body then sew the body linen lining > into > the wool jacket > > Or > > Sew linen lining sleves to linen body, sew wool sleeves to wool body, then > linen jacket into wool jacket? > > > > Or something else? If you want to sew it by hand, attach sleeves to jacket and then nestle inner jacket into outer jacket (wrong sides together) then turn edges and hand sew. If you want to sew by machine, then you can put jacket to jacket (right sides together) and sew around entire perimeter. Then use the arm hole to turn them inside out. Then attach finished sleeves. I don't know the historical way to do it, but these are two modern options. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 14:57:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44IvGKP000815 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44IuNgh025656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 12:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44Iu7EK034738; Wed, 4 May 2005 12:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44Iu2oW034573 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 12:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.113 ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005050418555601500t3hcte>; Wed, 4 May 2005 18:55:56 +0000 Received: from [128.95.163.25] by 204.127.197.113; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:55:55 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:55:55 +0000 Message-Id: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hhhm. It depends on how much work you'll want to put into it. Years ago I took apart a couture men's jacket and found lots of interal stuff that just were too cool Sew the wool jacket body together with out the collar and sleeves; same for lining. The internal sutff was a bit of thin wool cotton around the head and back shoulders of the armholes, and in the top/back head of the sleeve (wool sleeve) to get a good lay on the armhole head. Hand stitched twill tape along any diagonal 'fold/roll' lines, meaning if there's a lapel type feature on the jacket, you could reinforce the roll line. If not, you can just hand stitch the twill tape to just the fold/roll line of the 'collar'. There was twill tape around the jacket armhole, at the stress point of button holes the fold/roll line of the hems of both the jacket and sleeves. The collar wool and lining was sewn together and then inset onto the neck of the wool jacket, then the lining whould be sewn over all the thicknesses of collar and wool jacket down the fronts. To be sure you have a better time of turning the coat (not distort the lining armhole), you might want to leave part of the jacket hem unsewn (if you plan on sewing the lining and the wool together at the hem), so you can pull it right side out that way, and not through the armhole. Sew the sleeve wool and lining together and inset into armhole (this is the time where you'd insert the thin layer of wool cotton, for fillng out the sleeve. Don't put too much!). Handsew lining down. If you are hem finishing the jacket wool and lining, be sure to sew anchoring loops at the hem. Anyhow, I hope this helps. and hopefully i have not mixed things up, as I'm due to work in 5 minutes! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > I am making a sailors short jacket circa 1706. it's a linen lined heavy > wool jacket. I have cut out and sewn together the body and the sleeves so I > basically have "two" jackets, a linen one and a wool one that I need to sew > together. > > > > What should I do first? > > Linen to wool sleeve then attach to body then sew the body linen lining into > the wool jacket > > Or > > Sew linen lining sleves to linen body, sew wool sleeves to wool body, then > linen jacket into wool jacket? > > > > Or something else? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Greg > > > > www.gentlemenoffortune.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 16:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44KMav4001482 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:22:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44KL1gh005078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 14:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44KKmOT011183; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52805.mail.yahoo.com (web52805.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44KKi4r011031 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5392 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2005 20:20:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kNUgI3uyZLdzXWd3qijLwC8/6VVYWb8zHONiGc6QcYYSoZbGP33k6hvbKi/Wb+LvkGoy0THJwCiN1qRk1nkvrI23uHgBEOsKHuLWNHD9zDRMLyMB0AI0jobBuqm/wLl69cJIgcl8Q7NwQ0HQgpQQLUq6TAoSsgqidUxvqKx8itM= ; Message-ID: <20050504202038.5388.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 May 2005 13:20:37 PDT Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, all -- I hoping one of you can help me with a term I ran across in a 1951 novel (Margery Sharp’s “Lisa Lillywhite”), which is a reference to a man’s being dressed in a “boiled.” I know what boiled wool is, and wondered if this were just a shortened version of a suit made of boiled wool, perhaps? But that doesn’t entirely make sense to me in context. Here are the two relevant quotes: “…We offer a little collation on Sunday, at nine o’clock. I know it is not customary in England to honour the Sabbath with a ‘boiled’; I leave the point to your discretion…” Our hero (such as he is!) is put off by the sender, but: “Even so Martin did not put on his boiled; he compromised with a dark suit and a white shirt.” Thanks in advance to any of you who can enlighten me! KP --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 16:43:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44KhtsP001626 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44Keogh007108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 14:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44KcW1L025705; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44KaELt024091 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 20:36:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050504212848.014d56d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 21:34:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term In-Reply-To: <20050504202038.5388.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j44KaELt024091 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:20 04/05/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, all -- > >I hoping one of you can help me with a term I ran across in a 1951 novel >(Margery Sharp’s “Lisa Lillywhite”), which is a reference to a man’s being >dressed in a “boiled.” I know what boiled wool is, and wondered if this >were just a shortened version of a suit made of boiled wool, perhaps? But >that doesn’t entirely make sense to me in context. Here are the two >relevant quotes: > >“…We offer a little collation on Sunday, at nine o’clock. I know it is not >customary in England to honour the Sabbath with a ‘boiled’; I leave the >point to your discretion…” > >Our hero (such as he is!) is put off by the sender, but: > >“Even so Martin did not put on his boiled; he compromised with a dark suit >and a white shirt.” > >Thanks in advance to any of you who can enlighten me! This is a short form of "boiled shirt". This is a formal shirt, with a stiffened, highly starched and polished "dickie", usually worn with an old-fashioned dinner jacket, waistcoat and trousers. I don't know if a tuxedo was worn like that. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 4 16:47:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j44KlNKW001664 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44Kkxgh008282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 May 2005 14:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44KkpUo033040; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44KkkUX032951 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:46:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-7890); Wed, 04 May 2005 13:46:46 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 04 May 2005 13:46:46 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050504134312.00d9fcf0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:46:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term In-Reply-To: <20050504202038.5388.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j44KkkUX032951 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like a boiled white shirt front, usually starched, worn with fairly formal clothing; that's why he could "compromise" with a dark suit and white shirt. I remember the "boiled shirt" from the Lord Peter Wimsey series. Joan At 01:20 PM 5/4/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, all -- > >I hoping one of you can help me with a term I ran across in a 1951 novel >(Margery Sharp’s “Lisa Lillywhite”), which is a reference to a man’s being >dressed in a “boiled.” I know what boiled wool is, and wondered if this >were just a shortened version of a suit made of boiled wool, perhaps? But >that doesn’t entirely make sense to me in context. Here are the two >relevant quotes: > >“…We offer a little collation on Sunday, at nine o’clock. I know it is not >customary in England to honour the Sabbath with a ‘boiled’; I leave the >point to your discretion…” > >Our hero (such as he is!) is put off by the sender, but: > >“Even so Martin did not put on his boiled; he compromised with a dark suit >and a white shirt.” > >Thanks in advance to any of you who can enlighten me! > >KP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 01:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j465d0Bw017926 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j465c7gh017927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 May 2005 23:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j465bpVo055673; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:37:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-03.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j465blWd055632 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 12859 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 05:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.6.168) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 6 May 2005 05:37:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:44:13 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j465blWd055632 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] couture cloaks? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This wonderful answer brings to mind a question - is there such a thing as a "couture" cloak? If there was/is - how would it be put together? Cheers, Aylwen On Thursday, May 5, 2005, at 04:55 AM, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > Hhhm. It depends on how much work you'll want to put into it. Years > ago I took apart a couture men's jacket and found lots of interal > stuff that just were too cool > > Sew the wool jacket body together with out the collar and sleeves; > same for lining. The internal sutff was a bit of thin wool cotton > around the head and back shoulders of the armholes, and in the > top/back head of the sleeve (wool sleeve) to get a good lay on the > armhole head. Hand stitched twill tape along any diagonal 'fold/roll' > lines, meaning if there's a lapel type feature on the jacket, you > could reinforce the roll line. If not, you can just hand stitch the > twill tape to just the fold/roll line of the 'collar'. There was > twill tape around the jacket armhole, at the stress point of button > holes the fold/roll line of the hems of both the jacket and sleeves. > > The collar wool and lining was sewn together and then inset onto the > neck of the wool jacket, then the lining whould be sewn over all the > thicknesses of collar and wool jacket down the fronts. To be sure you > have a better time of turning the coat (not distort the lining > armhole), you might want to leave part of the jacket hem unsewn (if > you plan on sewing the lining and the wool together at the hem), so > you can pull it right side out that way, and not through the armhole. > > Sew the sleeve wool and lining together and inset into armhole (this > is the time where you'd insert the thin layer of wool cotton, for > fillng out the sleeve. Don't put too much!). Handsew lining down. > If you are hem finishing the jacket wool and lining, be sure to sew > anchoring loops at the hem. > > Anyhow, I hope this helps. and hopefully i have not mixed things up, > as I'm due to work in 5 minutes! > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> I am making a sailors short jacket circa 1706. it's a linen lined >> heavy >> wool jacket. I have cut out and sewn together the body and the >> sleeves so I >> basically have "two" jackets, a linen one and a wool one that I need >> to sew >> together. >> >> >> >> What should I do first? >> >> Linen to wool sleeve then attach to body then sew the body linen >> lining into >> the wool jacket >> >> Or >> >> Sew linen lining sleves to linen body, sew wool sleeves to wool body, >> then >> linen jacket into wool jacket? >> >> >> >> Or something else? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> www.gentlemenoffortune.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 02:31:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j466VC33027580 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 02:31:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j466UWgh027331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 00:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j466UUuW092107; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out-mail18.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j466URJv092076 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=LDr3yj=TN=sewingcity.com=becky@yourhostingaccount.com) Message-Id: <200505060630.j466URJv092076@net.indra.com> Received: from scan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.237] helo=scan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mail18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1DTwLz-0004lY-HY for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 02:30:27 -0400 Received: from authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.155] ident=exim) by scan07.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1DTwLz-0000t9-FZ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 02:30:27 -0400 Received: from authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.155] helo=authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1DTwLz-0000t6-8G for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 02:30:27 -0400 Received: from pool-71-111-177-89.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.111.177.89] helo=random) by authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1DTwLy-0002SP-JE for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 02:30:27 -0400 From: "Becky @ SewingCity.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] couture cloaks? Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:30:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcVR/mDyNcaCrzkERsasemrxxGalmwABiOqA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-EN-UserInfo: 231a4af1c6595951fa0035d7a7dfc491:44225c88802e2dc5c324d40447d7bea9 X-EN-AuthUser: becky@sewingcity.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- This wonderful answer brings to mind a question - is there such a thing as a "couture" cloak? If there was/is - how would it be put together? Cheers, Aylwen It's possible. It would be mostly hand sewn, with careful attention to pressing of the seams. Stylish, and made from a high quality fabric. Hem would be hand sewn with a stabilizer such as twill tape or horse hair braid. Becky http://www.sewingcity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 09:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46DlVW9021699 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Dkdgh012409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 07:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46DkUOb087649; Fri, 6 May 2005 07:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46DkRaj087530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 07:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46DkLrn007459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46DkLLE007456; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is pretty badly chewed up. I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing for the same amount. Opinions? Testimonies? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:30:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46EUq88022128 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46EUBgh016665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EUAnN024200; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EU8ID024109 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200505061430020130053f7le>; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:30:03 +0000 Received: from [67.168.12.165] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 06 May 2005 14:30:02 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:30:02 +0000 Message-Id: <050620051430.16607.427B7F69000E6187000040DF22058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My experiences with sewing machine maintenance and repair puts your cost as very reasonable. The last place I went to charged me about $90 just for a tune up and cleaning. They found a problem with my cord for the pedal and replaced without charging me more. The thing is, when I was getting quotes they ranged from the $90.00 to $150. I was very lucky the lowest priced quote was for the sewing machine place that had the most recommendations. Anyhow, that's what my experiences were... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > > I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The > tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is > pretty badly chewed up. > > I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around > since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning > and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon > foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > > I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these > years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for > this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it > were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I > would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing > for the same amount. > > Opinions? Testimonies? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46EYS9a022174 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:34:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46EXYgh017026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EXXth027092; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EXVbo026969 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF13BC99 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <427B8044.9050301@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:33:40 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > He quoted, for the repair and the tuning > and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon > foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > > I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these > years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for > this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? That sounds reasonable to me, especially as it includes replacing parts. I've seen tune-ups alone for that price. For a dependable machine of good quality I would be willing to pay more. You get years of additional use for a fraction of the price of a new, cheapie machine. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:36:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46EaSGW022197 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:36:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46EZqgh017239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EZplT029056; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EZlmK028931 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 6 May 2005 09:35:05 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:35:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcVSQvt1OxsTAO4gR2eY/xVpu2E0kQABckhQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 14:35:05.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB660170:01C55248] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last time I took my machine in for a clean and adjust it was 50 bucks- I would think you are getting a deal! Pyro -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is pretty badly chewed up. I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing for the same amount. Opinions? Testimonies? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46ElSBg022252 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Ekwgh018292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46Ekvlp038769; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EktsL038733 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([64.231.206.201]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050506144654.CWQW21470.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:46:54 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20050506104511.00b69478@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:48:39 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Machine repairs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would say your repair man gave you a fair and reasonable price. I think those older all metal machines are well worth keeping in working order. I'm currently a fashion student and put my machines through a heavy work load. The new ones are great, but the older machines are special. My local repair guy (of course depending on the repair) charges about $100.00 when I go in for regular (yearly maintenance and repairs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:47:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46Ele6D022255 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:47:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Ekngh018280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46Ekh7k038522; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j46EkeLA038470 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-1579); Fri, 06 May 2005 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:45:18 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050506074441.00da9800@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 07:46:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would compare the cost of repair to the cost of getting a comparable replacement machine. Given the fact that it is hard to find a newer machine with all steel parts, I'd get this one repaired. Think of it as getting a nearly new machine for under $100. Sounds better that way. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 08:46 AM 5/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > >I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The >tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is >pretty badly chewed up. > >I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around >since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning >and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon >foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > >I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these >years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for >this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it >were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I >would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing >for the same amount. > >Opinions? 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 10:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46ExVmf022338 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:59:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Ewxgh019689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 08:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46Eww2t049680; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46EwtMZ049647 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.26]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46EwCXx023606 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050506075810.027212d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 07:59:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around >since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning >and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon >foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). You couldn't replace a machine that good for $75, so I'd also say go for it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 11:49:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46Fnxqo022722 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Fmogh025476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 09:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46FmhqL096078; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:48:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46FmdRO095927 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so957205wra for ; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NFtpEaST5waB/LLGdH6aS9fPHw/Mr0obvcWLOThZKE4YJYqNsQugNv96yTNjynp62f7AgtdmOIgxBgPEP2eCMsxFO0Gs03PmbROGkZyvgwuN4BRfQgBjnq+/laG6nKGmYfCDkayEMGj61Idm8kv8nSJWfKJzdFN6a7LE4JkZIv4= Received: by 10.54.32.13 with SMTP id f13mr928317wrf; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05050608486d9880f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:48:33 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j46FmdRO095927 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, where do you live? What town has this great repair shop? it seems to me that, if you recommend him after the repairs, he'll have a whole bunch of new customers between the recommendations you heard and his prices. I paid $75 for a general cleaning and preventive maintenance the last time I took my (same as you) 25 year old Kenmore into the shop, and they found nothing wrong with it except dust. LynnD On 5/6/05, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > > I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The > tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is > pretty badly chewed up. > > I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around > since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning > and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon > foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > > I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these > years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for > this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it > were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I > would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing > for the same amount. > > Opinions? Testimonies? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 12:51:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46GpkBZ023340 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Gk5gh003288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 10:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46GiGkq053570; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46GiBQg053462 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DU5vv-0007dp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: <427B9EDC.5080809@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:44:12 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] couture cloaks? References: <200505060630.j466URJv092076@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200505060630.j466URJv092076@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think some of these tailoring techiques could easily be appliied to a cloak with collar (and/or) hood. Check out Folkwear's Kinsale cloak. Having made one of these myself, the collar and openings (believe it or not) need special attention. The collar to roll correctly and the opening to hang properly! Sg Becky @ SewingCity.com wrote: >-----Original Message----- >This wonderful answer brings to mind a question - is there such a thing >as a "couture" cloak? If there was/is - how would it be put together? >Cheers, Aylwen > > >It's possible. It would be mostly hand sewn, with careful attention to >pressing of the seams. Stylish, and made from a high quality fabric. Hem >would be hand sewn with a stabilizer such as twill tape or horse hair braid. > >Becky >http://www.sewingcity.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 12:53:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46Gr7Ce023348 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:53:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46GlZgh003507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 10:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46Gk2c2055167; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46Gjvxd055091 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DU5xc-0001g9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <427B9F45.4080606@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:45:57 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Its a smokin' deal if you ask me! Sounds like you did the right thing! Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: >How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > >I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The >tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is >pretty badly chewed up. > >I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around >since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning >and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon >foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > >I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these >years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for >this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it >were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I >would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing >for the same amount. > >Opinions? Testimonies? >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 13:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46H9jtu023455 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46H93gh005868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 11:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46H8xN5077143; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46H8tse077020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46H8oJN093082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:08:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46H8oW4093081; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:08:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:08:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <20242.165.236.184.195.1115399330.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <8296995c05050608486d9880f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> <8296995c05050608486d9880f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:08:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hehe .... It is in McKinney Texas. It was recommended to me by a newcomer to our group, she is an awsome resource for the hole in the wall places all over the DFW area. Going to try to convince her to start a website with me for them, kinda like the Daily Candy. I know where Neiman Marcus sends their 'extra' stuff from the sample sales after the employees pick over them. That kinda stuff..) Willett's Sew and Vac http://www.willetts-pfaff.com/ He is the local vacuum repair man too. :) On Fri, May 6, 2005 10:48 am, Lynn Downward said: > So, where do you live? What town has this great repair shop? it > seems > to me that, if you recommend him after the repairs, he'll have a > whole > bunch of new customers between the recommendations you heard and his > prices. I paid $75 for a general cleaning and preventive maintenance > the last time I took my (same as you) 25 year old Kenmore into the > shop, and they found nothing wrong with it except dust. > > LynnD > > On 5/6/05, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: >> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good >> machine? >> >> I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The >> tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is >> pretty badly chewed up. >> >> I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around >> since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the >> tuning >> and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon >> foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). >> >> I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these >> years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost >> for >> this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if >> it >> were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if >> I >> would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same >> thing >> for the same amount. >> >> Opinions? Testimonies? >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 13:15:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46HFlCn023500 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:15:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46HF8gh006929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 11:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46HF7UC083238; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50809.mail.yahoo.com (web50809.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j46HF5eI083110 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from albrakat7@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10917 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2005 17:14:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2hRSEytdtqilGQkTrJN6FaGfDZioHmKoB3h8NIu5fhWWXJ0nBmmjF/4wtamUmuABu4lSOTTkMFtYH8wj8+kqzLVqjiqD7nRQt+iEfDMKQTNGAI5bH0v4Uy5NZNuQZYTMfaAStYRoadoT6di2aRE7JTDv2lZQvfsI3yygsutubKI= ; Message-ID: <20050506171459.10915.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.231.69.193] by web50809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:14:59 PDT Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around >since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning >and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon >foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). You couldn't replace a machine that good for $75, so I'd also say go for it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 6 13:48:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j46HmKWN023672 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46Hlbgh010761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 11:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46HlYCl014150; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46HlVMu014025 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so1028564wra for ; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EKZaEUgUitroyWL3dUkOhUak/GwUMvuoaYzb4M6ZpCuzXNEo7n/9wvTwniheU7go+i+PM2O3Ta8N7UHGFVwcOwVQxVVivr4UMaPwhXn5PtOnvMaNCElfQHAK8lk7oSF0+AwEsJyvlX5rqqyRkON2KnXqntPWmEQAEFdc4KH6FSs= Received: by 10.54.32.36 with SMTP id f36mr984376wrf; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0505061047273b95f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:47:26 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question In-Reply-To: <20242.165.236.184.195.1115399330.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> <8296995c05050608486d9880f7@mail.gmail.com> <20242.165.236.184.195.1115399330.squirrel@165.236.184.195> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j46HlVMu014025 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, well. It would take $75 to send my heavy sewing machine from San Francisco Bay Area to Texas. I guess I'll stick to the guy nearby. But those of you in the DFW area, you've been handed a jewel. LynnD On 5/6/05, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > Hehe .... It is in McKinney Texas. It was recommended to me by a > newcomer to our group, she is an awsome resource for the hole in the > wall places all over the DFW area. Going to try to convince her to > start a website with me for them, kinda like the Daily Candy. I know > where Neiman Marcus sends their 'extra' stuff from the sample sales > after the employees pick over them. That kinda stuff..) > > Willett's Sew and Vac > http://www.willetts-pfaff.com/ > > He is the local vacuum repair man too. :) > > On Fri, May 6, 2005 10:48 am, Lynn Downward said: > > So, where do you live? What town has this great repair shop? it > > seems > > to me that, if you recommend him after the repairs, he'll have a > > whole > > bunch of new customers between the recommendations you heard and his > > prices. I paid $75 for a general cleaning and preventive maintenance > > the last time I took my (same as you) 25 year old Kenmore into the > > shop, and they found nothing wrong with it except dust. > > > > LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 00:39:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j474dcA2031437 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j474Yrgh021145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 May 2005 22:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j474YfrR026424; Fri, 6 May 2005 22:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j474YUYS026106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 22:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j475q96i016760 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:52:13 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:34:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505070034.18249.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j474YUYS026106 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Table of Contents of NESAT 8 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Eva I. Andersson, who is a member of another costume history list to which I subscribe, posted the following list of articles from NESAT 8, which is also supposedly coming out this year. Thank you, Eva! It's called "Priceless invention of humanity - Textiles" and it is published in the series Acta Archaeologica Lodziensia NR 50/1, in Lodz, Poland and its ISSN is 0065-0956. Carol A. Christiansen, A Reanalysis of Fleece Evolution Studies Fabienne MĂŠdard, Cristophe MoulhĂŠrat, Sophie MĂŠry, Discovery of Charred Yarn in a Bronze Age Burial at Hili (Abu Dhabi Region, United Arab Emirates) Carmen Alfaro Giner, Late Roman Textiles in the North of Spain (;Las Ermitas, Vitoria) Ida Demant, Textiles and Dress-Fasteners from Lerdal Grave 101 Heidemarie Farke,Textile Spuren in einem kaiserzeitliche Grab aus Norddeutschland Katarzyna Barska, The Roman Period warp-weighted Loom from Ozarow Mazowiecki, Poland Chris Verhecken-Lammens, Marc Rogge, Antoine de Moor, Textiles found in a Merovingian Woman's Grave at Beerlegem, Belgium Marianne Vedeler, Pleated Fragments of Clothing from Norway Ulla Mannering, Dress in Scandinavian Iconography of the 5th to 10th centuries A.D. Antoinette Rast-Eicher, Early Medieval Costume in Switzerland Anne Hedeager Krag, New Light on a Viking Garment from Ladby, Denmark Milena BravermanovĂĄ, The oldest Textile items from the Reliquary Tomb of St. Ludmila Elizabeth Wincott Heckett, A Tenth Century Cloth from Bogstown Co. Meath Malgorzata Grupa, Textiles from the Early Medieval Cemetery at Kaldus, Pomerania, Poland Eva I. Andersson, Written Traces ; Wills in 13th to 15th century Scandinavia Susan MĂśller-Wiering, Schiffbau und Textil: Ansätze zu einer systematischen Untersuchung von Kalfat Lise Raeder Knudsen, Written Patterns in Early Tablet Weaving Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, Ein koptisches Textilfragment in Leinwand-Schuss-Kompositbindung aus der Sammlung des Nationalmuseums in Warschau Marek Trojanowicz, Izabella Surowiec, Jowita Orska-Gawrys, Bogdan Szostek, Katarzyna Urbaniak-Walczak, Magdalena Biesaga, Chromatographic Examination of Dyes Extracted from Coptic Textiles from the Collections of the National Museum in Warsaw Klaus Tidow, Neue Funde von Webstuhlteilen und Geweben aus Ausgrabungen in Braunschweig (Niedersachsen) und Wiesloch (Baden-WĂźrttemberg) Fabian Peise, Eine LĂźbecker Kase im Danziger Paramentenschatz Hanna Zimmerman, 16th century Hose and their Manufacture Anna Drazkowska, 17th-18th century Clothing from Children's Graves discovered in the Church at Kostrzyn on the Oder, Poland Gudrun BĂśttcher, Versuche und Ergebnisse bei der Rekonstruktion von Nadelbindungstextilien Britt Nowak, Zur Beiarbeitung und Konservierung von Goldfäden aus dem frĂźhmittelalterlichen Männergrab 21 in Lauchheim/Mittelhofen (Ostalbkreis/Baden-WĂźrttemberg) Elizabeth E. 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Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:35:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BZcs1001712 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47BYWgh007843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BYPRM003497; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j44JPrGM062460 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 19:25:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050504201847.014d57d8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 20:23:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together In-Reply-To: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A72200745672080907 0E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:55 04/05/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hhhm. It depends on how much work you'll want to put into it. Years ago >I took apart a couture men's jacket and found lots of interal stuff that >just were too cool > >Sew the wool jacket body together with out the collar and sleeves; same >for lining. The internal sutff was a bit of thin wool cotton around the >head and back shoulders of the armholes, and in the top/back head of the >sleeve (wool sleeve) to get a good lay on the armhole head. Hand stitched >twill tape along any diagonal 'fold/roll' lines, meaning if there's a >lapel type feature on the jacket, you could reinforce the roll line. If >not, you can just hand stitch the twill tape to just the fold/roll line of >the 'collar'. There was twill tape around the jacket armhole, at the >stress point of button holes the fold/roll line of the hems of both the >jacket and sleeves. > >The collar wool and lining was sewn together and then inset onto the neck >of the wool jacket, then the lining whould be sewn over all the >thicknesses of collar and wool jacket down the fronts. To be sure you >have a better time of turning the coat (not distort the lining armhole), >you might want to leave part of the jacket hem unsewn (if you plan on >sewing the lining and the wool together at the hem), so you can pull it >right side out that way, and not through the armhole. > >Sew the sleeve wool and lining together and inset into armhole (this is >the time where you'd insert the thin layer of wool cotton, for fillng out >the sleeve. Don't put too much!). Handsew lining down. If you are hem >finishing the jacket wool and lining, be sure to sew anchoring loops at >the hem. > >Anyhow, I hope this helps. and hopefully i have not mixed things up, as >I'm due to work in 5 minutes! I would have thought that for a sailor's jacket, the above is not entirely necessary. I have not found such modern tailoring before c1830 (ish!). The lining and interlining of 18th century coats is not the same as modern coats - there is a diagram in "Cut of Men's Clothes" which shows much of the padding etc. required for an upper class coat, and I think I have seen another for a child's coat. From a purely practical point of view I would not have thought this would be done for a sailor's coat. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:36:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BaP12001716 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:36:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47BZWgh007895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BZVOT004385; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44KbrTJ025226 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 14:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from generys@blazemail.com) Received: from pmta02.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121A1403B0 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQBKBEVCeTKcfovm1AIAAAAB,982738999416c7b85e63b614933765dd Received: from marketing3 (69.38.51.209 [69.38.51.209]) by pmta02.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY) with ESMTP id 27978BCD for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:37:48 -0700 From: "Jennifer / Guenievre" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:37:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050504202038.5388.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcVQ55qEleIb5043R/ePqimB7xxj9QAARf9w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050504203748.121A1403B0@omta18.mta.everyone.net> X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j44KbrTJ025226 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The first part sounds more like they're talking about food - a boiled might be short for "a boiled dinner" - ie an Irish boiled dinner (thus the comparison to England) - something like http://beef.allrecipes.com/az/30918.asp . Not sure about the clothing part, though... Gueničvre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kathryn Parke > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:21 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term > > > Hello, all -- > > I hoping one of you can help me with a term I ran across in a 1951 novel > (Margery Sharps Lisa Lillywhite), which is a reference to a mans being > dressed in a boiled. I know what boiled wool is, and wondered if this > were just a shortened version of a suit made of boiled wool, perhaps? But > that doesnt entirely make sense to me in context. Here are the two > relevant quotes: > > We offer a little collation on Sunday, at nine oclock. I know it is not > customary in England to honour the Sabbath with a boiled; I leave the > point to your discretion > > Our hero (such as he is!) is put off by the sender, but: > > Even so Martin did not put on his boiled; he compromised with a dark suit > and a white shirt. > > Thanks in advance to any of you who can enlighten me! > > KP > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:36:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BaYJ6001720 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:36:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47BZqgh007950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BZqd6004689; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j44Ms6cO049582 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.6b.44a1db2d (4402) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 18:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.44a1db2d.2faaac7f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:53:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've mainly used two methods 1 - make up two complete jackets, including sleeves (one lining and one outer), then hem stitch the lining into the outer (while it's inside out) 2 - the way used traditionally by couture ateliers and tailors - make up the bodies as two jackets and attach them together - make up the sleeve, and stitch the wool part of the sleeve into the body (treating outer and lining of body as one), then whip stitch the sleeve lining in to cover the sleeve seam. There are other methods (at least two I can think of). Overall I prefer the latter, but I don't think either way is right or wrong - just personal preference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BaaUx001723 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Ba2gh008000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47Ba2OT004864; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j452wS0b042405 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 20:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.9.0-23) with SMTP id 9db89724.2109139888.2072.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 04 May 2005 20:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29545 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 20:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.8) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 4 May 2005 20:33:19 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 May 2005 14:28:27 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:28:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC13FC@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mom's Goop (was RE: grease on fur) Thread-Index: AcVOAwAXft9oY239R+SSu8ekWqAP5QC5HXKg From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2005 20:28:28.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4739820:01C550E7] X-Spam: [F=0.5000000000] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j452wS0b042405 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mom's Goop (was RE: grease on fur) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, there is also "Mom's Goop" which is supposed to take up stains on fabric. The company is at http://www.goophandcleaner.com Marc --------------------------------- Do you have any experience with this on a cotton shirt? I've just managed my 'clever trick of the day', i.e. flipping a black flair pen point-first into my new white embroidered blouse. *Insert sound of grinding teeth here* Kate McClure And for my next magical trick . . . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:41:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BfKMF001760 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47BeOgh008629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BeNSa008449; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4673umi015018 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4673q2h014737 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 03:03:55 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.86.26] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.26]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4673nUo103910 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 03:03:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050505235805.026281f8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:59:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] couture cloaks? In-Reply-To: <200505060630.j466URJv092076@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >This wonderful answer brings to mind a question - is there such a thing >as a "couture" cloak? If there was/is - how would it be put together? >Cheers, Aylwen > > >It's possible. It would be mostly hand sewn, with careful attention to >pressing of the seams. Stylish, and made from a high quality fabric. Hem >would be hand sewn with a stabilizer such as twill tape or horse hair braid. In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Paquin made couture cloaks, capelets, and things like that. Paquin was a contemporary of Worth, who invented the couture fashion industry as we know it today. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BfWZE001763 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Beigh008718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BehuZ008793; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46DvHjC096381 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 07:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip01.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j46DvBxv029528 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:57:11 -0400 Received: from fep04.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.84) by mxip01.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 06 May 2005 09:57:11 -0400 Message-Id: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.92,161,1112587200"; d="scan'208"; a="780910569:sNHT1093834414" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.18 (webedge20-101-1108-20050216) From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 9:57:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > At our local repair shops (central MA) a tune up for any machine(serger or standard) runs about 70$ no matter how old or new. It seems to be the standard bench fee for sewing machines in our area. I'm trying do decide if my old machine is worth a tune as well. I was lucky enough to take it apart myself and fix the timming by removing gunk from inside the bobbin casing. I should give myself the 70$ I saved to go buy more fabric. :) -annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:41:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BffSL001766 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Beugh008758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47Betb7008994; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46E82jK005412 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:06:14 -0500 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know in Port Arthur Tx just getting a tune up on my fairly new machine "Brother" it cost me $62. And then $47 for an old Singer just to clean it up and check it out. theresa >>> chiara@io.com 5/6/2005 8:46:21 AM >>> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is pretty badly chewed up. I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing for the same amount. Opinions? Testimonies? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:41:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BfkjZ001770 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:41:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Bf5gh008802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47Bf5EX009155; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j46F1EAO051486 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23005 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 15:01:06 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:01:06 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1048.24.4.69.40.1115391673.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > > I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The > tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is > pretty badly chewed up. > > I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around > since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning > and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon > foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > > I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these > years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for > this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it > were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I > would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing > for the same amount. > > Opinions? Testimonies? I have not had to do any major repair on my machine (knock on wood) but a "tune up" in my area runs over $50. And from prior experience getting parts for my serger, parts are not cheap either. So I would say that if you are happy with your machine & it has been good to you, then it is worth $75 to fix 'er up. Also, given the discussion a little while ago about older machines with good steel parts versus newer machines that have lots of plastic, you should hold onto your all steel machine. Think of it like an old reliable car that you don't have to make payments on but that requires a trip to the mechanics now and then. In the long run, you will get more for your buck than if you buy something new. My two cents.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:42:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BgDmb001778 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47BfWgh008881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BfWKL009515; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46GiwYH054207 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22527 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:44:57 -0500 (CDT) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] couture cloaks? Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:44:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] couture cloaks? Thread-Index: AcVR/mDyNcaCrzkERsasemrxxGalmwABiOqAABUBwjA= From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j46GiwYH054207 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The House of Worth, Poiret, Fortuny, and others all made couture cloaks. Of course they were called many different things: mantles, opera cloaks, etc. They would be made to coordinate with one or more gowns or dresses. The House of Worth made a beautiful everning short cape in the mid-1890's that was a virtual copy of a Spanish nobleman's cape of the 1500's that was in Charles Worth's private collection. Such capes or cloaks(often made of lace in the early 20th century)would stand out from a "mere" dressmaker's or home-produced cloak or cape with an exclusive fabric, master embroidery and/or beading. The House of Worth was famous for its exclusive fabrics, custom-woven for Worth, with often large-scale motifs and designs based on some antique designs Charles Frederick Worth either owned or based on paintings he was familiar with. However, dressmaker or home-produced items could be as finally or better made in terms of quality of construction and women's magazines of the day were chock full of how-to projects to make their own dress accessories and trimmings as well as the clothing of the day. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 07:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47BgMO6001783 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 07:42:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Bfegh008907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47BfeQJ009623; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j46HSf5G096095 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9431FC40094; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:28:35 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 May 05 17:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c55261$4c8028e0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <050420051855.8615.42791ABB000AFAB8000021A722007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <62229.165.236.184.195.1115387181.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:30:28 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From another Kenmore lover, I think this is a good price. The last time I had the tension assembly replaced (12 years ago?) the cost for the unit alone was $30. At that time, I had in-home service from Sears for about $45 a year 'insurance, parts extra'. I usually pay pay about $50 for tune up with my present shop. The 'retired machine' is still my backup for the Pfaff Jeans and Satin; but ye olde Kenmore can still do Her Stuff! I got a new machine only because the Sears man was having trouble finding the esoteric parts (from the extensive Sears system of sewing machine inventory) to replace gears, belts and such that were showing their miles after 35 years of heavy constant use in the world of Costume. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question > How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > > I have a kenmore, it is over 25 years old, all steel parts. The > tension knob assembly broke completely off, the needle plate is > pretty badly chewed up. > > I took it in to a local sewing machine shop that has been around > since the town was a town. He quoted, for the repair and the tuning > and cleaning of the machine, 75.00. He also has the elusive Teflon > foot for my type of machine for 4 bucks (which is a good price!). > > I said go for it, the machine has been good to me for all these > years. But I want to know from you all ... is this a normal cost for > this much repair and tuning for a 25 year old Kenmore? I mean, if it > were a white or singer that was only 3 years old I am not sure if I > would want to spend that much when I can go buy the exact same thing > for the same amount. > > Opinions? Testimonies? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 08:38:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47Ccdet002079 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 08:38:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Cbjgh015954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 06:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47CbcLp048744; Sat, 7 May 2005 06:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47CbZu7048671 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 06:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A688FB4003A; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:37:28 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 May 05 12:37:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c55301$cc732ca0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] couture cloaks? Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:39:22 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And, don't forget Chanel for her significant contributions in the Twentieth Century! Much of the home sewing trade was based on her democratic ideas of Class in society need not be regulated by the size of one's purse. Every woman had the right and means of being fashionable! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] couture cloaks? > > > The House of Worth, Poiret, Fortuny, and others all made couture cloaks. > Of course they were called many different things: mantles, opera cloaks, > etc. They would be made to coordinate with one or more gowns or dresses. > The House of Worth made a beautiful everning short cape in the > mid-1890's that was a virtual copy of a Spanish nobleman's cape of the > 1500's that was in Charles Worth's private collection. Such capes or > cloaks(often made of lace in the early 20th century)would stand out from > a "mere" dressmaker's or home-produced cloak or cape with an exclusive > fabric, master embroidery and/or beading. The House of Worth was famous > for its exclusive fabrics, custom-woven for Worth, with often > large-scale motifs and designs based on some antique designs Charles > Frederick Worth either owned or based on paintings he was familiar with. > > However, dressmaker or home-produced items could be as finally or better > made in terms of quality of construction and women's magazines of the > day were chock full of how-to projects to make their own dress > accessories and trimmings as well as the clothing of the day. > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 12:35:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47GZw13003587 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47GVEgh007833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47GVAE6011277; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47GV9pU011202 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200505071631030130050n3se>; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:31:03 +0000 Received: from [67.168.12.165] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:31:02 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:31:02 +0000 Message-Id: <050720051631.17219.427CED4600089F150000434322007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You may be quite right. I'm sorry if I've given our bad or wrong construction information for 1830 ish clothing...1830 ish is not my period. My reply is purely from a informational perspective, of what I've seen done in tailoring. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > At 18:55 04/05/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >Hhhm. It depends on how much work you'll want to put into it. Years ago > >I took apart a couture men's jacket and found lots of interal stuff that > >just were too cool > > > >Sew the wool jacket body together with out the collar and sleeves; same > >for lining. The internal sutff was a bit of thin wool cotton around the > >head and back shoulders of the armholes, and in the top/back head of the > >sleeve (wool sleeve) to get a good lay on the armhole head. Hand stitched > >twill tape along any diagonal 'fold/roll' lines, meaning if there's a > >lapel type feature on the jacket, you could reinforce the roll line. If > >not, you can just hand stitch the twill tape to just the fold/roll line of > >the 'collar'. There was twill tape around the jacket armhole, at the > >stress point of button holes the fold/roll line of the hems of both the > >jacket and sleeves. > > > >The collar wool and lining was sewn together and then inset onto the neck > >of the wool jacket, then the lining whould be sewn over all the > >thicknesses of collar and wool jacket down the fronts. To be sure you > >have a better time of turning the coat (not distort the lining armhole), > >you might want to leave part of the jacket hem unsewn (if you plan on > >sewing the lining and the wool together at the hem), so you can pull it > >right side out that way, and not through the armhole. > > > >Sew the sleeve wool and lining together and inset into armhole (this is > >the time where you'd insert the thin layer of wool cotton, for fillng out > >the sleeve. Don't put too much!). Handsew lining down. If you are hem > >finishing the jacket wool and lining, be sure to sew anchoring loops at > >the hem. > > > >Anyhow, I hope this helps. and hopefully i have not mixed things up, as > >I'm due to work in 5 minutes! > > > I would have thought that for a sailor's jacket, the above is not entirely > necessary. I have not found such modern tailoring before c1830 (ish!). The > lining and interlining of 18th century coats is not the same as modern > coats - there is a diagram in "Cut of Men's Clothes" which shows much of > the padding etc. required for an upper class coat, and I think I have seen > another for a child's coat. From a purely practical point of view I would > not have thought this would be done for a sailor's coat. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 12:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47Gkgw9003709 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47GjRgh009488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 10:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47GjQGk021348; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47GjP4p021324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from webmail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.62]:46057 helo=floodcity.net) by mail.floodcity.net with smtp id 1DUSQf-0000dX-BO for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 12:45:25 -0400 Received: from 198.93.211.158 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3804.198.93.211.158.1115484327.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.158 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 In-Reply-To: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? >> > you know, I wasn't going to answer this thread, since all the answers so far have echoed my sentiments, but I think I would like to say here, that just about the only reason to get rid of such a good machine, in my opinion is if parts just become unavailable and I couldn't find a decent parts machine in a couple years afterward. I mean think about it. this is a machine with no built in obsolescence, as far as I can see. it is built to last. and as far as I can see, there are no real inovations in sewing machines since the zigzag, except maybe the stretch stitch. So why not fix it as long as possible? anything you could replace it with would be a lesser machine or MUCH more expensive. and it will STILL need repair, so you'd be paying extra for the priviledge of taking care of a different machine. So, there, FWIW, is my opinion. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 13:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47H1MBV003855 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:01:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47H0pgh011173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 11:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47H0oaQ033318; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47H0lqL033218 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 17:00:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507175629.014d6c60@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 17:58:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequence of events for sewing jacket together In-Reply-To: <050720051631.17219.427CED4600089F1500004343220073747808090 70E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:31 07/05/2005 +0000, you wrote: >You may be quite right. I'm sorry if I've given our bad or wrong >construction information for 1830 ish clothing...1830 ish is not my period. > >My reply is purely from a informational perspective, of what I've seen >done in tailoring. Greg is an 18th century sailor/pirate - I made him a coat a few years ago when he lived in England!! The information you give I should have said thanks for, as it reinforces my later tailoring efforts. >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > At 18:55 04/05/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hhhm. It depends on how much work you'll want to put into it. Years ago > > >I took apart a couture men's jacket and found lots of interal stuff that > > >just were too cool > > > > > >Sew the wool jacket body together with out the collar and sleeves; same > > >for lining. The internal sutff was a bit of thin wool cotton around the > > >head and back shoulders of the armholes, and in the top/back head of the > > >sleeve (wool sleeve) to get a good lay on the armhole head. Hand stitched > > >twill tape along any diagonal 'fold/roll' lines, meaning if there's a > > >lapel type feature on the jacket, you could reinforce the roll line. If > > >not, you can just hand stitch the twill tape to just the fold/roll > line of > > >the 'collar'. There was twill tape around the jacket armhole, at the > > >stress point of button holes the fold/roll line of the hems of both the > > >jacket and sleeves. > > > > > >The collar wool and lining was sewn together and then inset onto the neck > > >of the wool jacket, then the lining whould be sewn over all the > > >thicknesses of collar and wool jacket down the fronts. To be sure you > > >have a better time of turning the coat (not distort the lining armhole), > > >you might want to leave part of the jacket hem unsewn (if you plan on > > >sewing the lining and the wool together at the hem), so you can pull it > > >right side out that way, and not through the armhole. > > > > > >Sew the sleeve wool and lining together and inset into armhole (this is > > >the time where you'd insert the thin layer of wool cotton, for fillng out > > >the sleeve. Don't put too much!). Handsew lining down. If you are hem > > >finishing the jacket wool and lining, be sure to sew anchoring loops at > > >the hem. > > > > > >Anyhow, I hope this helps. and hopefully i have not mixed things up, as > > >I'm due to work in 5 minutes! > > > > > > I would have thought that for a sailor's jacket, the above is not entirely > > necessary. I have not found such modern tailoring before c1830 (ish!). The > > lining and interlining of 18th century coats is not the same as modern > > coats - there is a diagram in "Cut of Men's Clothes" which shows much of > > the padding etc. required for an upper class coat, and I think I have seen > > another for a child's coat. From a purely practical point of view I would > > not have thought this would be done for a sailor's coat. > > > > Suzi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 14:11:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47IBYC7004824 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:11:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47IAngh018331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47IAkt0083042; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47IAiaD082948 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A49D279F0080; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:10:37 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.101 ([209.131.81.101] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 May 05 18:10:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c55330$5616d640$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <3804.198.93.211.158.1115484327.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:12:30 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty, you are so right. My Beloved Kenmore, as I have said in the past, was my (still first) best investment ever. But the very suggestion that parts might not be available for ever was exactly my reason for finally breaking down and getting something newer. When the motor had to be replaced, it took my very faithful Sears repairman 6 weeks to locate the small machine motor and there was a gear assembly that he also thought I should replace before it too became obsolete. So, since he was working on All sewing machines, I asked him which machines were the least frequent on his list for repair. The Pfaff Jeans and Satin was one of his recommendations for 'semi automatic' reliability. I will also add, that in March I picked up a Kenmore 158.3180 virtually new, but without anything but the power cord, in a thrift shop for $20. You can believe that I snatched it up and am collecting the necessary pieces like the buttonhole plate and cam knob from E-bay for far less than these pieces are available from Sears. This machine sold for about$500 new in the mid 1980's. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question > > > >> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > >> > > > you know, I wasn't going to answer this thread, since all the answers so > far have echoed my sentiments, but I think I would like to say here, that > just about the only reason to get rid of such a good machine, in my > opinion is if parts just become unavailable and I couldn't find a decent > parts machine in a couple years afterward. > > I mean think about it. this is a machine with no built in obsolescence, > as far as I can see. it is built to last. and as far as I can see, there > are no real inovations in sewing machines since the zigzag, except maybe > the stretch stitch. So why not fix it as long as possible? anything > you could replace it with would be a lesser machine or MUCH more > expensive. and it will STILL need repair, so you'd be paying extra for > the priviledge of taking care of a different machine. > > So, there, FWIW, is my opinion. Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 14:16:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47IGG8c004862 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:16:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47IFagh018615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 12:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47IFa4k086266; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:15:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47IFXZL086158 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5BE13F300BA; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:15:26 -0400 Received: from 209.131.81.101 ([209.131.81.101] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 May 05 18:15:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c55331$02e08a60$655183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <3804.198.93.211.158.1115484327.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:17:20 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, and did you do another Tea this year? I attended one a couple of weeks ago. I was the "Program". I brought some 'show and tell' items re the Tea Table, and used readings from some of my 19th C Etiquette books. Lots of fun. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question > > > >> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good machine? > >> > > > you know, I wasn't going to answer this thread, since all the answers so > far have echoed my sentiments, but I think I would like to say here, that > just about the only reason to get rid of such a good machine, in my > opinion is if parts just become unavailable and I couldn't find a decent > parts machine in a couple years afterward. > > I mean think about it. this is a machine with no built in obsolescence, > as far as I can see. it is built to last. and as far as I can see, there > are no real inovations in sewing machines since the zigzag, except maybe > the stretch stitch. So why not fix it as long as possible? anything > you could replace it with would be a lesser machine or MUCH more > expensive. and it will STILL need repair, so you'd be paying extra for > the priviledge of taking care of a different machine. > > So, there, FWIW, is my opinion. Kitty > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 15:11:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47JBfqY005214 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47JAjgh022236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 13:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47JAibt023839; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47JAgVj023815 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30672 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 19:30:32 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 12:30:32 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1427.24.4.69.40.1115493042.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slow list... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It seems like the list has been slow lately. Is there an event going on? Are people just out enjoying the spring weather instead of playing on the computer? Just curious.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 15:33:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47JXour005420 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47JWngh024575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 13:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47JWhxd039575; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47JWdpF039455 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 19:32:33 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202121.014d6da0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:22:21 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slow list... In-Reply-To: <1427.24.4.69.40.1115493042.squirrel@www.inreach.com> References: <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:10 07/05/2005 -0700, you wrote: >It seems like the list has been slow lately. Is there an event going on? >Are people just out enjoying the spring weather instead of playing on the >computer? > >Just curious.... > >Diana Mine is coming in "chunks" - a lot all at once, then nothing. I fear there is a "chunk" missing in the ether though!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 15:34:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47JY81Z005424 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47JXMgh024665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 13:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47JXLHL040059; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47JWdrJ039459 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 19:32:33 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:29:28 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <1427.24.4.69.40.1115493042.squirrel@www.inreach.com> References: <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Query re 17th century bodices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English and European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. I have an extensive collection of general books such as Boucher, Tilke, James Laver,and others (senior moment as I cannot remember the name of the big maroon one! - yay Millia Davenport.) I have Cut of Women's Clothes Arnold Hunnisett Historic Costume in Detail Hart and North Danish book on Christian lV which has a bodice. Small handbooks from the London Museum (all of them) I would prefer photos of originals, rather than re-drawings, good though those listed above are. Thanking you in hopes. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 18:06:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47M6fNx006536 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:06:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47M5rgh009085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 16:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47M5jTF041190; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47M5BSa040976 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.a0.27efbdf9 (4254) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:05:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:05:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 5/7/2005 7:35:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generys@blazemail.com writes: The first part sounds more like they're talking about food - a boiled might be short for "a boiled dinner" - That does seem to make more sense from the context. I believe that the "New England boiled dinner" was sometimes made on Saturday, to eat cold on Sunday, so one did not violate the Sabbath by cooking. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 18:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47MYaew006762 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:34:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47MXxgh011053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 16:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47MXvqt058586; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47MXTxD058369 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1813BC99 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 17:33:55 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for makeup X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Morning, I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore (around here anyway). I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need opaque in-your-face color. Any suggestions? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 18:42:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47MgfTQ006796 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47Mg8gh011807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 16:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47Mg74x063575; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47Mg51t063484 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA4B377D8 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:42:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <427D4459.40604@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 17:42:33 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The first part sounds more like they're talking about food - a boiled might > be short for "a boiled dinner" - > > >> That does seem to make more sense from the context. I believe that the "New >> England boiled dinner" was sometimes made on Saturday, to eat cold on >> Sunday, so one did not violate the Sabbath by cooking. > That was my first thought, too, except that I've *never* heard it refered to like that. Even my grandparents didn't call it that. Then there's the term "collation", which is a light meal, something a boiled dinner certainly is not. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 18:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47Ms3JH006840 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:54:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47MrLgh012472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 16:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47MrK1q070229; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47MrIIE070210 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3292 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 23:13:10 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:13:10 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1639.24.4.69.40.1115506398.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> References: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? My first idea was Halloween makeup. I did a quick search and there are plenty of online suppliers. I usually stockpile in October so that I have things all year 'round. Theater makeup will also work but it seems like it runs more expensive than the Halloween version. Then again, if the makeup has to withstand a lot of wear (i.e. many hours) then theater quality makeup may be best for you. Good luck! BTW...what are you going to wear it for? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 19:36:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47NaVpb007091 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:36:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47NZkgh016631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 17:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47NZgpJ096796; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47NZeFD096779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from webmail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.62]:52579 helo=floodcity.net) by mail.floodcity.net with smtp id 1DUYpj-0002ZC-7R for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:35:43 -0400 Received: from 198.93.211.240 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4402.198.93.211.240.1115508944.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.240 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 In-Reply-To: <001701c55330$5616d640$655183d1@rmitchellras> References: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <3804.198.93.211.158.1115484327.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <001701c55330$5616d640$655183d1@rmitchellras> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I asked him which > machines were the least frequent on his list for repair. The Pfaff Jeans > and Satin was one of his > recommendations for 'semi automatic' reliability. > This is good to know, thanks. Kitty > I will also add, that in March I picked up a Kenmore 158.3180 virtually > new, but without anything but the power cord, in a thrift shop for $20. > You can believe that I snatched it up and am collecting the necessary > pieces like the buttonhole plate and cam knob from E-bay for far less > than these pieces are available from Sears. This machine sold for > about$500 new in the mid 1980's. > > Kathleen You know, anytime I find a machine which gives me the sturdy reliability, or I should say that any machine which reminds me of the ones which have given me the sturdy reliability that the Necchi and the Kenmore do, I snap them up. I have three girls, two of whom sew and all "borrow" machines from me. NO ONE gets the necchi so they have to make do with what I have as my backup machines. I also provide to the girls of our church, so I am always on the look out for these machines. I just wish I could find homes for the black single stitch machines I have, they so need some loving care. I would love to fix them up as handcranks if I knew where they could find homes. LOL Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 19:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j47Noh1C007198 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47NlIgh019151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 17:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47NlEKh005971; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tombstone.b.org.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47NlBn2005849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 21078 invoked by uid 1057); 7 May 2005 23:47:09 -0000 Received: from 203.79.122.104 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. 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(gold@203.79.122.104) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 7 May 2005 23:47:09 -0000 Message-ID: <427D537A.60402@where.else.net.nz> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:47:06 +1200 From: Melissa Brown Muckart User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup References: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you tried the costume rental stores in your area? If that fails, you could always order it online. A quick google search for "theatrical makeup" turned up quite a few places. With luck, someone on this list will now how you make them yourself. Best of luck! Dawn wrote: > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 21:13:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481DGHB007708 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j481CFgh002485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 19:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481CAZZ061083; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481C9Ks061072 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DUaL2-0006d9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: <427D676F.8050907@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:12:15 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query re 17th century bodices References: <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At least one of the Fashion in Detail books have some up close shots of extant garments, a few of which are bodices. Sg Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English > and European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. I > have an extensive collection of general books such as Boucher, Tilke, > James Laver,and others (senior moment as I cannot remember the name of > the big maroon one! - yay Millia Davenport.) > > I have > > Cut of Women's Clothes > Arnold > Hunnisett > Historic Costume in Detail Hart and North > Danish book on Christian lV which has a bodice. > Small handbooks from the London Museum (all of them) > > > I would prefer photos of originals, rather than re-drawings, good > though those listed above are. > > Thanking you in hopes. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 21:14:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481E14P007712 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:14:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j481DEgh002532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 19:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481DEvI061618; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481Ch7s061313 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kiri@telus.net) Received: from kiri ([64.180.214.240]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050508011237.GSEB11723.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@kiri> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:12:37 -0600 From: "Crystal Gold" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:12:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you tried Make Up Forever? They over a great range of high-quality makeup in "unusual" colours. -Crystal. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: May 7, 2005 3:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] looking for makeup Morning, I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore (around here anyway). I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need opaque in-your-face color. Any suggestions? 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 21:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481WEiM007800 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:32:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j481Vjgh003791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 19:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481Vix0072642; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481Vgx0072617 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7D215CB9 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4402.198.93.211.240.1115508944.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVTXZP/2w7QQcRXRzGE91Gynx1FJAAD8+CA Message-Id: <20050508013141.0A7D215CB9@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kitty wrote: I just wish I could find homes for the black single stitch machines I have, they so need some loving care. I would love to fix them up as handcranks if I knew where they could find homes. Reply: Umn, Kitty, where are you? I am one of a number of folks who collect the old black straight stitchers. What models do you have? You can email me off list if you wish. megan at benchite dot com is the address. If you are nowhere near me, well, I might know somebody close enough to help. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 21:58:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481wVtW007918 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j481vpgh005954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 19:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481vmDa088882; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j481vklg088852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from webmail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.62]:55927 helo=floodcity.net) by mail.floodcity.net with smtp id 1DUb3E-0006zz-0g for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:57:48 -0400 Received: from 198.93.211.240 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4547.198.93.211.240.1115517470.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.240 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 In-Reply-To: <20050508013141.0A7D215CB9@mail03.powweb.com> References: <4402.198.93.211.240.1115508944.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <20050508013141.0A7D215CB9@mail03.powweb.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Reply: Umn, Kitty, where are you? I am one of a number of folks who > collect the old black straight stitchers. What models do you have? You > can email me off list if you wish. megan at benchite dot com is the > address. If you are nowhere near me, well, I might know somebody close > enough to help. > -Megan > > I have two model 15 clones from the fifties, and two model 66's. I'm not sure what else I have but those are the ones that come to mind. They are the ones which are true orphans, they were seperated from their treadles when the antique dealer/butcher I got them from made end tables out of their cabinets and bases. Kitty, in SW Pennsylvania. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 23:10:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j483Aa14008342 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4839tgh011259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 21:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4839rgO031714; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4839pqa031680 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC603FA14; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8103437CF4; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.100.182] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CfYL+AAcheQEAAAAE,1a76eebea7d76a9b5008a3f7de84d7ef Message-Id: <20050508030950.8103437CF4@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Reconstructing History , TheCostumersManifesto , Authentic SCA Subject: [h-cost] AAAAARRRGGGHHH - Re-enactors! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have learnt an object lesson today - whenever someone is borrowing costuming on short notice, no matter if they say 'oh, I only need such-and-such item,' I will henceforth make sure that I have EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF COSTUMING IN MY POSSESSION ready and available, because as sure as God made little green apples, such-and-such item will NOT be the only item that the borrower will need! ( Can't half tell what happened in our house this morning, can you? ;-} ) Re-enactors!!!!! *growl* *gnash teeth* Honestly, I sometimes think that half of them couldn't organise their way out of a wet paper bag. Sorry about the grumble, but I had to vent! ( By the way, I am casting no aspersions on re-enactors I don't know, I am chucking nasturtiums at some of the ones I know too well e.g the ones involved in this mornings' little farce! ) Thanks for listening. I feel better now. =) Joannah. ( who is now off to play taxi service to said re-enactors *quiet growl* ) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 7 23:18:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j483Is29008429 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:18:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j483H7h7011894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 May 2005 21:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j482pUMW020946; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52806.mail.yahoo.com (web52806.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j482pSXj020885 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 20:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28002 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 02:51:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TMFBtmch79o3rqZmZBlHWcmEpJcK5k7BSehym7f9yAE0T1NrGpu73+GBntXbw4QD7+KFmUixhDGrobY6qAOqQSWuapHOogmMaz22K1yaAU09NCfNPsRB39auD18/dIeO0bZ9aO1tY6BahY1fxv/lGuVfzj+JL0VzXyLwuA9Hl6Q= ; Message-ID: <20050508025122.28000.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:51:22 PDT Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1950s clothing term To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, this was answered earlier by a couple of people on the list -- it's a reference to a "boiled shirt," which is a stiffly starched, formal white dress shirt -- having that much of the term, I then googled it, and found out lots and lots I didn't know before! Isn't this a great list?! :) KP AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/7/2005 7:35:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generys@blazemail.com writes: The first part sounds more like they're talking about food - a boiled might be short for "a boiled dinner" - That does seem to make more sense from the context. I believe that the "New England boiled dinner" was sometimes made on Saturday, to eat cold on Sunday, so one did not violate the Sabbath by cooking. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:33:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48BXutM023377 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BXFYs023384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48BX9MG040729; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao10.cox.net (lakermmtao10.cox.net [68.230.240.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47IcQBf001272 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mischele1@cox.net) Received: from Mischele ([68.1.69.192]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050507183817.EUES7787.lakermmtao10.cox.net@Mischele> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:38:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> From: "mischele1" To: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:38:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j48BXutM023377 Status: RO Greetings, I just saw Kingdom of Heaven and am wondering about the costumes that the leading actress wore. They were so beautiful. I would like to make something for an Arabian Nights event and am wondering how accurate they would be for referance. Thank You for your wisdom and input. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:35:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48BZroN023398 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BZLYs023971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48BZIui042235; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j47M1bFK038886 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 16:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2186 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 22:21:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:21:28 -0700 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 15:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1456.24.4.69.40.1115503297.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> References: <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query re 17th century bodices From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English and > European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. Not for study but for pure costuming drool-ability....you must see Queen Margot. It is french with english subtitles. The dresses in the movie are to die for! Just ignore the ones that are fetish/raunchy. But the ones that are supposed to be historical are beautiful. By the way, the movie is a bit, um, sexual. Just a warning. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:36:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48BaBr2023402 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:36:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BZcYs024065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48BZbff042490; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j47NOmtC089928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from webmail.floodcity.net ([198.93.208.62]:52381 helo=floodcity.net) by mail.floodcity.net with smtp id 1DUYf6-0003ZX-Qt for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:24:47 -0400 Received: from 198.93.211.240 (FloodCity WebMail authenticated user basyefelton@floodcity.net) by webmail.floodcity.net with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4396.198.93.211.240.1115508289.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question From: To: X-SentVia: FloodCity Internet X-Originating-IP: 198.93.211.240 X-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 In-Reply-To: <000901c55331$02e08a60$655183d1@rmitchellras> References: <41dodb$n8nfv9@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> <3804.198.93.211.158.1115484327.squirrel@webmail.floodcity.net> <000901c55331$02e08a60$655183d1@rmitchellras> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: FloodCity WebMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LOL, no, I would have liked to, but I am sticking to smaller tea occasions til my life settles down a bit. I don't know if I mentioned it but last year, just in time for my tea, I inherited two grandchildren since their parents were incapacitated. They are getting their lives back together now, but I still have a very hectic day most days and cannot plan my days very well. I am lucky if I can make it to the doctors for my appts without having to reschedule a couple times. So this year, I'm not doing a churchwide tea, but I do have a few people over now and then, and intend to make it more formal as soon as I get my house in order. This year another daughter intends to get married and I am making a walking skirt and a jacket to go with it. I am going to be making myself a corset in the next few weeks, then the skirt then the blouse. I am planning to make the corset in linen with either cording or boning, can't make up my mind. I want to have a smooth line, with no rolling, but also to be as comfortable as possible and heat is my biggest problem in August. Last time she got married I wore an all in one elastic garment and the whole bottom rolled up to my waist. try about six layers of elastic around your waist for five hours. LOL Kitty > Oh, and did you do another Tea this year? I attended one a couple of > weeks ago. I was the "Program". I brought some 'show and tell' items re > the Tea Table, and used readings from some of my 19th C Etiquette books. > Lots of fun. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing machine repair costs question > > >> > >> >> How much is your line in the sand for repairing an old good >> machine? >> >> >> > >> you know, I wasn't going to answer this thread, since all the answers >> so far have echoed my sentiments, but I think I would like to say >> here, that just about the only reason to get rid of such a good >> machine, in my opinion is if parts just become unavailable and I >> couldn't find a decent parts machine in a couple years afterward. >> >> I mean think about it. this is a machine with no built in >> obsolescence, as far as I can see. it is built to last. and as far >> as I can see, there are no real inovations in sewing machines since >> the zigzag, except maybe the stretch stitch. So why not fix it as >> long as possible? anything you could replace it with would be a >> lesser machine or MUCH more expensive. and it will STILL need >> repair, so you'd be paying extra for the priviledge of taking care of >> a different machine. >> >> So, there, FWIW, is my opinion. Kitty >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:36:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48BaP4c023405 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BZjYs024099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48BZivO042591; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j480YElc039435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j481q3mL000855 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:52:04 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:34:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505072034.08511.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 07 May 2005 6:33 pm, Dawn wrote: > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? There's got to be someplace on the Internet you can buy these things, and more... -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Baems023408 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BZnYs024115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48BZngH042656; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j481G83r063267 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp818.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 01:16:07 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01c5536b$8ee02ef0$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <427D4253.8080506@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:16:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you checked M.A.C.? They have strong colors and the pro shop has red in shadow & pigments. I think they also have some gold lip glosses, etc. If your not happy with what you find at M.A.C., try a Sephora, which has all the brands in one place. My daughter is a makeup artist, so if you still don't find what you're looking for, I can get you more info. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] looking for makeup > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I can > find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 07:47:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48BlXHA023457 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:47:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48BkeYs026352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 05:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Bkdmn049592; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48BkbFW049518 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 11:46:31 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508124249.014d7390@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:43:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query re 17th century bodices In-Reply-To: <1456.24.4.69.40.1115503297.squirrel@www.inreach.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050430220047.46072.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050507202224.015ed5c8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:01 07/05/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > > Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English and > > European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. > >Not for study but for pure costuming drool-ability....you must see Queen >Margot. It is french with english subtitles. The dresses in the movie >are to die for! Just ignore the ones that are fetish/raunchy. But the >ones that are supposed to be historical are beautiful. > >By the way, the movie is a bit, um, sexual. Just a warning. > >Diana Thank you - I did see it - such beautiful faces too - and it made me want to know more about the history of that time in France. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 10:01:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48E1S4b024548 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:01:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48E0rYs003996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 08:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48E0ojL036872; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48E0ihO036759 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:00:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3473FD47 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8565D3939; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCfhuMAAThLgEAAAAB,5f526337756e25d1fd19cd51ee1f65ad Message-Id: <20050508140044.8565D3939@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you considered using lipstick for the eyeshadow and gold eyeshadow for the lipstick? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: From: Catherine Olanich Raymond Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:34:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup On Saturday 07 May 2005 6:33 pm, Dawn wrote: > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? There's got to be someplace on the Internet you can buy these things, and more... -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 10:43:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48EhAX6024739 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:43:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48EgSYs006495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 08:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48EgQTv064719; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48EgOQI064623 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.190]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050508144218.IAEQ1834.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 10:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c553dc$bff2d440$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050508140044.8565D3939@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 10:46:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Have you considered using lipstick for the eyeshadow and gold > eyeshadow for the lipstick? > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender Gold powder eyeshadow works very well as lipstick, you just put a base of lipgloss on first to give the powder something to stick to, this would even have much better staying power than lipstick. You have to be *very* careful when using red near your eyes though, many red dyes can cause infection and blindness. I would search out actual red eye makeup, as it's made specifically for that purpose, and therefore safe to be near your eyes. Just my two bits, Sheridan :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 11:33:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48FXlC8024992 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48FX7Ys010143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 09:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48FX2S3099267; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48FWx6q099171 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005050811325304782 for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 11:32:53 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j48FWo0j004268 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901c553e3$3220a910$53a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:32:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try MUD - Makeup Designory, Los Angeles School of make-up. I googled "mud makeup design" . It's a school in Los Angeles that has programs in theatre, film, and regular makeup. I was fascinated at their booth at the USITT conference in Toronto. Their books show how to do all sorts of things. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Gold" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for makeup > Have you tried Make Up Forever? > They over a great range of high-quality makeup in "unusual" colours. > > -Crystal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: May 7, 2005 3:34 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] looking for makeup > > > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 11:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48FaLF8025030 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48FZqYs010265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 09:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48FZqO8001203; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48FZpE1001120 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 09:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005050811354504795 for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 11:35:46 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j48FZh0j004352 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01c553e3$991aa8f0$53a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:35:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just try http://www.makeupschool.com/ and see the face that comes up! Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Gold" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for makeup > Have you tried Make Up Forever? > They over a great range of high-quality makeup in "unusual" colours. > > -Crystal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: May 7, 2005 3:34 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] looking for makeup > > > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 13:53:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Hrtq5025777 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48Hr0Ys023981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 11:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Hqoef097512; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48HqljL097460 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DUpxO-0005e7-7s; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:52:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:51:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - general References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> In-Reply-To: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$Q8N+tlX4zNC8F4tgBrTWmsWvC>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of trousers is a lost cause, but there was nothing horribly jarring. Nothing totally fantasy, nothing that had been over-elaborated, or over-grunged, to make it look "more medieval" and just end up more Hollywood. Of course, long Crusader robes and surcoats look very sexy on their own account (or have I been a Norman too long?) but I thought it was an excellent overall impression of the period. One for the costume movie bookshelf. Jean mischele1 wrote >Greetings, > >I just saw Kingdom of Heaven and am wondering about the costumes that >the leading actress wore. They were so beautiful. >I would like to make something for an Arabian Nights event and am >wondering how accurate they would be for referance. > >Thank You for your wisdom and input. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 13:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48HsGmF025780 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48Hr0Ys023980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 11:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Hqog6097511; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48HqlxB097461 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DUpxO-0005e7-7s; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:52:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:51:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - general References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> In-Reply-To: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$Q8N+tlX4zNC8F4tgBrTWmsWvC>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of trousers is a lost cause, but there was nothing horribly jarring. Nothing totally fantasy, nothing that had been over-elaborated, or over-grunged, to make it look "more medieval" and just end up more Hollywood. Of course, long Crusader robes and surcoats look very sexy on their own account (or have I been a Norman too long?) but I thought it was an excellent overall impression of the period. One for the costume movie bookshelf. Jean mischele1 wrote >Greetings, > >I just saw Kingdom of Heaven and am wondering about the costumes that >the leading actress wore. They were so beautiful. >I would like to make something for an Arabian Nights event and am >wondering how accurate they would be for referance. > >Thank You for your wisdom and input. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48IBtxE025870 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:11:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48IAHYs025100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IAGPa008927; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IACCk008867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j48I2rmT026829 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:02:53 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427E5601.9050601@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:10:09 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were > not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of > trousers is a lost cause Yeah, sigh. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, though. Hey, just as a sanity check, folks -- does anyone know of any evidence of trousers for men in England in the 1200s? I'm having this online argument, see, and someone thinks I'm insane, but I'm fairly sure they didn't have them. (Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd know. We have to have authentic documentation for everything...") -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent A multimillion-dollar ad campaign blames Democrats for the fact that "courtrooms sit empty." In fact, there are now half as many judicial vacancies as when Bush took office. And of the 46 federal judgeships that remain vacant, Bush has named only 16 replacements. -- Factcheck.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48IDWuX025882 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:13:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48ID1Ys025255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48ID1te010798; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48ICxDt010720 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-67-163-120-131.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[67.163.120.131]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005050818125301400edj08e>; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:12:54 +0000 Message-ID: <06de01c553f9$8ddf7040$6a01a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: SteppesFP Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kingdom of Heaven - general X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I completely agree with this. I loved the long surcotes, the silk, the armour! Seeing Saddil F. acting again was also a HUGE bonus. He did a fantastic job! But that Saracen armour, OMG, now I want to hit the shop and just produce!!! (`'ˇ.¸(`'ˇ.¸(`'ˇ.¸¸.ˇ'´)¸.ˇ '´)¸.ˇ'´) Ťˇ.ˇ*¨`ˇ¤ Chiara ¤ˇ´¨*ˇ.ˇť (¸.ˇ'´(¸.ˇ'´(¸.ˇ'´`'ˇ.¸)`'ˇ .¸)`'ˇ.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - general :I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were : not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of : trousers is a lost cause, but there was nothing horribly jarring. : Nothing totally fantasy, nothing that had been over-elaborated, or : over-grunged, to make it look "more medieval" and just end up more : Hollywood. Of course, long Crusader robes and surcoats look very sexy : on their own account (or have I been a Norman too long?) but I thought : it was an excellent overall impression of the period. One for the : costume movie bookshelf. : : Jean : : : mischele1 wrote : >Greetings, : > : >I just saw Kingdom of Heaven and am wondering about the costumes that : >the leading actress wore. They were so beautiful. : >I would like to make something for an Arabian Nights event and am : >wondering how accurate they would be for referance. : > : >Thank You for your wisdom and input. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:17:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48IHs8C025898 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48IHOYs025529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IHNfc013785; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48IHKN9013695 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 18:17:14 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508191124.014d7980@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:15:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent In-Reply-To: <427E5601.9050601@thibault.org> References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:10 08/05/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jean Waddie wrote: > >>I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were >>not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of >>trousers is a lost cause > >Yeah, sigh. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, though. > >Hey, just as a sanity check, folks -- does anyone know of any evidence of >trousers for men in England in the 1200s? I'm having this online >argument, see, and someone thinks I'm insane, but I'm fairly sure they >didn't have them. > >(Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a >public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd know. We >have to have authentic documentation for everything...") > >-- Not quite late enough I know, but some people seem to think that the "Bayeux Tapestry" shows Norman knights and foot soldiers in trousers. I don't have the reference unfortunately, but looked at some pictures and thought they could be right. Considering the tapestry was woven at the end of the 11th century, they *could* have spilled into the 12th? What about the book on Anglo Saxon clothing by ??Gail ....Crocker? - sorry, early medieval is not my thing. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:28:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48ISpUF025934 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:28:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48IRqYs026084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IRoXo020406; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IRkr9020295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Jjbau021502 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:45:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:27:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508191124.014d7980@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508191124.014d7980@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505081427.39557.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 08 May 2005 2:15 pm, Suzi Clarke wrote: [snip] > What about the book on Anglo Saxon clothing by ??Gail ....Crocker? - sorry, > early medieval is not my thing. Dress in Anglo-Saxon England by Dr. Gale Owen-Crocker is what you're thinking of. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48IXVFr025976 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48IWXYs026539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IWXMn023913; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IWUlk023822 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so1229419nzp for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 11:32:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aKfKakiyuS4/CaUQjaQqIX+7/1lkYRzlsP+BlMPBaQP9O2Fxryhz/B2JWrqb2ELizSOLdAs8lkwXowSoVoZB5VejgEsi6nk+FWD0PLRbTn6ZcFg7o2FrjPzzG/cMURjas77Idhbx2owGkCXPhOM1VuedrHo+rqdgJ2O+6cW9pew= Received: by 10.36.9.18 with SMTP id 18mr995223nzi; Sun, 08 May 2005 11:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.80.12 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:32:25 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j48IWUlk023822 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] studying 17th century bodices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Patts from real garments in fabulous collections: Norah Waugh, The Cut of Women's Clothes --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English > and European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. I > have an extensive collection of general books such as Boucher, Tilke, > James Laver,and others (senior moment as I cannot remember the name of > the big maroon one! - yay Millia Davenport.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 14:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Ierfb026024 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:40:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48IaEYs026763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 12:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IaD6v026454; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48IaBj9026427 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7F44012B for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 75A463948; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.135] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCflwaAAZpVwEAAAAB,b152cc64c2aae1d75a35941e33c0d0e3 Message-Id: <20050508183610.75A463948@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just went through my copy of the Bayeux Tapest book and it looks more like tunics split for horseback riding over hose than pants. There is trim that goes down the front and around the bottom of many of them that would appear rather strange on pants, but is often done on split garments. None of them goes below the knee either. I am in SCA and I wouldn't use that as documentation for pants for that period, but then I am way too fussy about my research. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Suzi Clarke wrote: From: Suzi Clarke Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:15:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent At 14:10 08/05/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jean Waddie wrote: > >>I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were >>not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of >>trousers is a lost cause > >Yeah, sigh. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, though. > >Hey, just as a sanity check, folks -- does anyone know of any evidence of >trousers for men in England in the 1200s? I'm having this online >argument, see, and someone thinks I'm insane, but I'm fairly sure they >didn't have them. > >(Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a >public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd know. We >have to have authentic documentation for everything...") > >-- Not quite late enough I know, but some people seem to think that the "Bayeux Tapestry" shows Norman knights and foot soldiers in trousers. I don't have the reference unfortunately, but looked at some pictures and thought they could be right. Considering the tapestry was woven at the end of the 11th century, they *could* have spilled into the 12th? What about the book on Anglo Saxon clothing by ??Gail ....Crocker? - sorry, early medieval is not my thing. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 15:06:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48J6QDJ026198 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48J5cYs028814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 13:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48J5ZCn047030; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48J5UGA046890 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 19:05:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508200251.014d74c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:03:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] studying 17th century bodices In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:32 08/05/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Patts from real garments in fabulous collections: >Norah Waugh, The Cut of Women's Clothes >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > > > Can anyone suggest other sources for studying 17th century (English > > and European, or N. American) ladies' bodices than the following. I > > have an extensive collection of general books such as Boucher, Tilke, > > James Laver,and others (senior moment as I cannot remember the name of > > the big maroon one! - yay Millia Davenport.) Thanks but I thought I mentioned that I had a copy of this book, plus Arnold and Hunnisett. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 15:07:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48J7M6F026203 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48J6qYs028943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 13:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48J6qmS047864; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48J6n6f047749 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 19:06:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508200335.015e5890@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:04:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent In-Reply-To: <200505081427.39557.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050508191124.014d7980@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050508191124.014d7980@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:27 08/05/2005 -0400, you wrote: >On Sunday 08 May 2005 2:15 pm, Suzi Clarke wrote: >[snip] > > > What about the book on Anglo Saxon clothing by ??Gail ....Crocker? - sorry, > > early medieval is not my thing. > >Dress in Anglo-Saxon England by Dr. Gale Owen-Crocker is what you're thinking >of. >-- >Cathy Raymond Thank you for jogging my memory - not my period as I said. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 15:36:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48JaqV1026366 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:36:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48JaJYs001379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 13:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48JaHaP067264; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48JaFIs067239 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DUrZW-00004M-7U for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 20:34:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent References: <20050508183610.75A463948@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050508183610.75A463948@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<7d4N+Z0X4zNHYE4twFmTW2YGE0>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Some of them do look rather like shortie romper suits, but they are always the same colour top and legs, so they couldn't be trousers, ie something that only comes up to the waist. I think it would be fair to say all authoritative opinion considers them to be representing front-and-back split tunics and mailshirts. But wouldn't it be great to turn up to an event in your romper suit? ;-) The answer for Cynthia - it's impossible to prove a negative, she has to show her positive sources. Jean Lalah wrote >I just went through my copy of the Bayeux Tapest book and it looks more >like tunics split for horseback riding over hose than pants. There is >trim that goes down the front and around the bottom of many of them >that would appear rather strange on pants, but is often done on split >garments. None of them goes below the knee either. I am in SCA and I >wouldn't use that as documentation for pants for that period, but then >I am way too fussy about my research. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > >--- Suzi Clarke wrote: > >From: Suzi Clarke >Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:15:14 +0100 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent > >At 14:10 08/05/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>Jean Waddie wrote: >> >>>I have to say I just saw it and I was very impressed. Some things were >>>not accurate for the 1180s, and I suspect hoping for hose instead of >>>trousers is a lost cause >> >>Yeah, sigh. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, though. >> >>Hey, just as a sanity check, folks -- does anyone know of any evidence of >>trousers for men in England in the 1200s? I'm having this online >>argument, see, and someone thinks I'm insane, but I'm fairly sure they >>didn't have them. >> >>(Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a >>public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd know. We >>have to have authentic documentation for everything...") >> >>-- > > >Not quite late enough I know, but some people seem to think that the >"Bayeux Tapestry" shows Norman knights and foot soldiers in trousers. I >don't have the reference unfortunately, but looked at some pictures and >thought they could be right. Considering the tapestry was woven at the end >of the 11th century, they *could* have spilled into the 12th? > >What about the book on Anglo Saxon clothing by ??Gail ....Crocker? - sorry, >early medieval is not my thing. > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 15:39:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Jdn6a026400 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48Jd9Ys001503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 13:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Jd9eE069141; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (lakermmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Jd60X069064 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050508193859.ZKQX18229.lakermmtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:38:59 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <427E5601.9050601@thibault.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j48Jd60X069064 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi~! I don't know of any hard evidence for pants in England in the 12th century. We do know that some Viking cultures had pants (Thorsbjerg, for example) but we aren't even sure about a lot of details there, either, and that doesn't account for _England_ -or- the 12th century. As was mentioned, "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" is an excellent place to start researching. While the Bayeaux is a wonderful piece of history, and much can be gleaned from it, it really isn't the best source to use for exact documentation, IMHO. It's wonderful to use as a starting point which leads to further sources, or to use as part of a more thorough set of research support documents. Cynthia, since your debate partner is convinced they did in fact have pants in England in the 12th century, wouldn't it be incumbent upon them to provide the documentation necessary to support their claim? In other words, tell them to put up or shut up! Scads of folks would be delighted to see it, including me! ;o) Now, its entirely possible that some of the more rural peoples continued to wear pants instead of switching to the more Normanish hosen and braies, but we can't really be sure of that, so we must go with what we know, or at least what we know the most about. FWIW, "Woven into the Earth" which documents the Greenland finds has some 13th century clothing. They didn't find any pants there, but they did find lots of hosen. Again, it isn't England, but it's something. Pax, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent Hey, just as a sanity check, folks -- does anyone know of any evidence of trousers for men in England in the 1200s? I'm having this online argument, see, and someone thinks I'm insane, but I'm fairly sure they didn't have them. (Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd know. We have to have authentic documentation for everything...") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 16:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48KIO0R026588 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48KHjYs004037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 14:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48KHgv1094669; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48KHd89094632 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.42]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DUsDa-00023J-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <27828833.1115583458752.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:17:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You want Ben Nye, for theatrical makeup. They have a full range, including the metallics you want. I'm looking at an old catalog right now and it doesn't have a website--if I go looking for a website I'll have to reload my e-mail program, which alas takes FOREVER.... Bob Kelley is another venerable stage-makeup company. Kryolan is a somewhat newer company. I'll leave it up to you to do a search for their addresses. Ben Nye is located in L.A.; Kryolan is in San Francisco I think. Bob Kelley is probably in California too. Bob Kelley makeup is the one that shows up most predictably in costume stores. Good luck. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Lalah Sent: May 8, 2005 10:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup Have you considered using lipstick for the eyeshadow and gold eyeshadow for the lipstick? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: From: Catherine Olanich Raymond Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:34:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for makeup On Saturday 07 May 2005 6:33 pm, Dawn wrote: > Morning, > > I hoping some of you theatre people can help with sources for unusual > makeup colors. I need red eyeshadow and gold lipstick. I've already been > through the chain pharmacies and beauty supply and the mainstream makeup > lines just don't have these items. I did get a red eyeliner from > Wet-n-Wild, but they just don't carry the "wild" end of things anymore > (around here anyway). > > I'm looking for a really yellow bright metallic gold lipstick. What I > can find is either too subtle, too brown, or it's clear lipgloss. I need > opaque in-your-face color. > > Any suggestions? There's got to be someplace on the Internet you can buy these things, and more... -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 16:48:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48KmkiW026727 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:48:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48KlfYs006696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 14:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48Kleo0015118; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48KlaV4015069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j48KeImT027486 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:40:18 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427E7AE5.9020907@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:47:33 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent References: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Linda Rice wrote: > Cynthia, since your debate partner is convinced they did in fact have pants in England in the 12th > century, wouldn't it be incumbent upon them to provide the documentation necessary to support their > claim? Yep. That's what I told ... him, I think. I think he's wedded to the idea of being able to wear pants, but hasn't actually seen any documentation. He's kind of defensive. It started because of a little potentially-hoax piece going around about testing beer in the 1200s -- those who are curious can go read the genesis and the various comments; the site covers hoaxes of all sorts, not just medieval ones. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/3072/ -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent A multimillion-dollar ad campaign blames Democrats for the fact that "courtrooms sit empty." In fact, there are now half as many judicial vacancies as when Bush took office. And of the 46 federal judgeships that remain vacant, Bush has named only 16 replacements. -- Factcheck.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 17:38:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48Lc0gZ027247 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:38:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48La1Ys009976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 15:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48LZrEl047287; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48LZoFJ047206 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1e8.3ad091a0 (4560) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:35:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.3ad091a0.2fafe02d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - general To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have had Nige disecting it for the last day (he saw it yesterday afternoon - I was working). Of course he's only into th emilitary stuff, but he said the only things wrong (apart from the trousers issue) were more to do with dating than just out and out inventions. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 19:12:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j48NC59e028132 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j48NBHYs017545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 17:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48NBCfn010977; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j48NBAYs010883 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.29 with login) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 23:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <006501c55423$35044cf0$1d7f1b46@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1e8.3ad091a0.2fafe02d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - general Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:11:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Of course he's only into th emilitary stuff, but he said the only things > wrong (apart from the trousers issue) were more to do with dating than just out > and out inventions. That's the general impression I got as well. I thought the Norman-style helmets with the nasals perhaps slightly old-fashioned for 1184, but not badly off, and the mail was nice (no knitted stuff visible, although someone on another list pointed out that the mail leggings might have been knitted--although you barely see them). The overall look with the surcotes, shields, etc. was quite nice. The archers looked more 14th century to me--not so much because of their helmets (again, on another list, apparently those date to as far back as the 13th century) but because of their short arming coats. The main character spends a lot of time in a shirt that is probably a bit on the short side for the period. The Saracen stuff, in general, was drooly. Beautiful armor, fabulous banners, wonderful siege engines. Have no idea how period, but very lovely to look at. You can throw the Princess' clothing into this same category. Again, absolutely no idea whether that was at all period for an upper-class Middle Eastern woman (or whether a woman of European descent would have *always* "gone native"--I know they did sometimes...) but the overall look was beautiful. So were some of the interiors of the castles. I also enjoyed the movie--although I'm eager to see Ridley Scott's director's cut. There were some parts that were a little too jumpy--for instance, we see very little of Godfrey's (the main character's father) travelling companions--just enough to pique our interest (there's a large man with longish hair and a German accent, and a Saracen, among others) before the movie moves on and focuses mainly on other things (I won't tell how; that would be a spoiler). I'm hoping the longer version fleshes out some of this. I have to agree--this is one of the better medieval movies I've seen in a long time, and I don't think the clothing introduced any egregious errors such as late 13th century kilts or blue face paint :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 21:56:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j491uLPF028915 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 21:56:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j491tXYs000268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 19:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j491tPEn016689; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j491tMle016616 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG70082Y99ZWG@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 21:54:36 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent In-reply-to: <427E5601.9050601@thibault.org> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <427EC2DC.9060308@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <002c01c55333$eef5a280$c0450144@Mischele> <427E5601.9050601@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO He-he-he is the only comment my husband and i could make. J Schueller p.s. we are both in the sca maybe this poerson is not in the same sca as we are? Cynthia Virtue wrote: > (Of course my biggest problem with the argument is that it's a > public/mundane forum and the person has said "I'm in the SCA, I'd > know. We have to have authentic documentation for everything...") > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 8 22:42:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j492gpE7029221 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:42:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j492gHYs004025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 20:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j492gFB1046874; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j492gBZ6046727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j49404nx028447 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 00:00:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:42:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505082242.01013.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 08 May 2005 3:48 pm, Linda Rice wrote: > Hi~! > > I don't know of any hard evidence for pants in England in the 12th century. > We do know that some Viking cultures had pants (Thorsbjerg, for example) The Thorsbjerg trousers are way pre-Viking; they are believed to date back to the third or fourth century A.D. (the Viking period is, roughly, 8th through 10th c A.D.). You can see a scan of a picture of them here (the software may ask you for a login; just hitting the "login in as a guest" button will let you see the discussion thread, with the picture: http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=582 > but we aren't even sure about a lot of details there, either, Other than what we can glean from examining the surviving, mostly-intact garment itself, that is. The Thorsjberg trousers (I'm never sure of the spelling so I see no reason not to use yours) appear to be very close-fitting footed trousers. We know that because one of the fully-enclosed feet survives. They also have very obvious belt loops. (This is the fact that impressed my husband, when I showed him the picture; he thought they looked a lot like modern jeans. However, they have no pockets, and no fly, unlike jeans of today). If you have access to SCA Compleat Anachronist #103, the author makes an interesting case for the proposition that the early Irish often wore close fitting trousers like the Thorsjberg trousers. > and that > doesn't account for _England_ -or- the 12th century. True. > As was mentioned, > "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" is an excellent place to start researching. > While the Bayeaux is a wonderful piece of history, and much can be gleaned > from it, it really isn't the best source to use for exact documentation, > IMHO. It's wonderful to use as a starting point which leads to further > sources, or to use as part of a more thorough set of research support > documents. Yes. "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England goes on at some length about the difficulty of documenting costume, especially men's costume, for this period. The 25-word or less summary: Documentation is difficult because we don't have archaelogical remains from England for this period, and the art of the period is less representational than a costume historian might like.... > Cynthia, since your debate partner is convinced they did in fact have pants > in England in the 12th century, wouldn't it be incumbent upon them to > provide the documentation necessary to support their claim? In other words, > tell them to put up or shut up! Scads of folks would be delighted to see > it, including me! ;o) Now, its entirely possible that some of the more > rural peoples continued to wear pants instead of switching to the more > Normanish hosen and braies, but we can't really be sure of that, so we must > go with what we know, or at least what we know the most about. > > FWIW, "Woven into the Earth" which documents the Greenland finds has some > 13th century clothing. They didn't find any pants there, but they did find > lots of hosen. Again, it isn't England, but it's something. True. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 9 00:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j494PpJb030001 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 00:25:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j494PDYs011520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j494P9EL011551; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j494P7Kl011529 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DUzpL-0005Pg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:25:07 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050508224238.0287adf8@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 22:47:06 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200505030038.j430c5Dw060931@net.indra.com> References: <200505030038.j430c5Dw060931@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Trip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:38 PM 5/2/2005, you wrote: Sorry I'm writing this a week late - just wading thru all the digests after our trip to Costume Con!! >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:15:53 -0500 >From: "E House" >Subject: [h-cost] fabric stores & etc in WY, MT, ID > >The husband and I are planning a nice rambling trip all over Wyoming, >Montana, and Idaho (and driving through NW Missouri and Nebraska to get >there). We might dip into Washington briefly, but we wouldn't be going far >enough west to hit the Pendleton outlets. There is a Pendleton outlet in Nebraska City, NE., if you're passing thru there. It's not on the main downtown business street, but a block or two off it. Lots of people go there, so just ask a local, they can direct you. I personally have not been there (and live just 45 miles away, go figure!!) E-mail me privately if you have more questions. Sandy >Are there any other fabric stores in that part of the country that are >worth visiting? I'm particularly in the market for wool, linen, or silk >damasks and brocades, but I certainly >wouldn't pass up nicely priced basics such as tropical weight worsteds or >gobs of linens. > >-E House "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 9 06:38:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j49AcPqb032298 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 06:38:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j49AZlYs006838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 May 2005 04:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49AZcPH052361; Mon, 9 May 2005 04:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j49AZX04052252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 04:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0BEDBCC4 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 06:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 42219DBC22 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 06:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016e01c55482$c3f174b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008e01c55406$f17830d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <427E7AE5.9020907@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kingdom of Heaven - tangent Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 06:35:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Statu