From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 11:45:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61FjwlM011118 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61FjI3B011130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61FjFLN084946; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:45:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61F7go9053709 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.206.4196bbe (16099) for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R40 (fwm-r40.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.144]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee342c55c3423d; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.144) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:07:31 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.144 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/962/Thu Jun 30 23:19:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Empire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >When I first heard about this series and heard the title "Empire" I >thought either the Napoleonic Enpire or the British Empire as both are >more historic costume interesting. That's funny. When I heard the title "Empire," I thought of Star Wars. Guess I'm still just an amateur historical costumer. :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 11:58:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61FwH04011334 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61FvqHS012435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61Fvpxn094483; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61Fvnah094411 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so300610nzp for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a5WuIXNGM3QtRs2qvjnsOShy2dOhPOtKmJ/mM0kHfDe29qQlApifMm7wIlSJ4iAizjkSv+w6tcpSZbZSc1b1OWP23N0DFb+T1/LUB+6oCpDpljv9jeLRPryH4ra2sdRuQ0T8tDx7akTD3h5Z2m0u2gs5UO+RG/5TS8mAYeJtwE4= Received: by 10.36.36.14 with SMTP id j14mr783909nzj; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc805070108575cdafb84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:57:44 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Empire In-Reply-To: <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506292015.j5TKEIHo079974@net.indra.com> <8C74C65BD588BE9-EE0-75D2@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j61Fvnah094411 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nah..you're just a closet cosplayer. On 7/1/05, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > That's funny. When I heard the title "Empire," I thought of Star Wars. Guess I'm still just an amateur historical costumer. :) > > Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 12:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61GGJv2011598 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61GFoDx014233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GFmse008128; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f10.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GFjpq007985 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:15:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:15:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507011528.j61FRoVt069157@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:15:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 16:15:38.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E8C9A40:01C57E58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >There are plenty of fat women (like me) who I see, who don't realize >this; their skirts hang lower in the front! It seems to me that some of the extant medieval garments are longer in back than in front, presumably for this reason. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 12:48:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61GmAvT012314 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:48:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61GlGTB017882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GkwQc033531; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61GkdGQ033246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j61GfhlR007653 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:41:43 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42C5736C.5010000@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:46:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote: >> There are plenty of fat women (like me) who I see, who don't realize >> this; their skirts hang lower in the front! > > It seems to me that some of the extant medieval garments are longer in > back than in front, presumably for this reason. Possibly -- although this is only a problem for me for things that end at the waistband. A garment that hangs from the shoulders, even if belted, evens out by the time it gets to the hem, what with bust and butt sort of counter-balancing. Are you thinking of everyday wear, or something more frivolous? Because a slight train (a few inches) makes a graceful line without getting in the way very much. But one wouldn't do that for an average garment, I think. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "I told Dru I'm laying down the law tonight." "A verb very close to her heart." -- Pibgorn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 13:41:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j61HfwXV013929 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:41:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j61HbV10023940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61HG5C5056880; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j61HFpv4056629 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so322540nzd for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sKK38bWnYS0KV3KZWC6ktp3JZrdpYw15DVYzhLj5afsxXNMYqwVHE+VkHzALKTzRR5QD65qGeTavA59WINoCOQoKex5blwtpIhqcX9qvfGPmrtQxU1Bx3PyEGZq3edc6lOXMSvJUbGhcm9STIGygih9Hkwe+qOIrJrZxgxzi6fw= Received: by 10.36.222.39 with SMTP id u39mr906519nzg; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:15:44 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waists, waists, waists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j61HFpv4056629 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I have to roll the front waistband of off-the-rack skirts so that the hem >>hangs horizontal because of this. If I had the time, I'd hem the skirts >>properly. >Several of us have the same problem. Fortunately it is correctable if you >make your own skirts for historicals. Carolyn, Cynthia, others, It's so common there's a standard set of adjustments for the "dropped waist" that will correct your patterns nicely. Sway backs & dancer butt are other common causes of "dropped waist". I usually search for another pair of pants. If I *must* have them, pick back the WB, and put it where I want it. Cant stand the messy bulky rolled "solution". How do you tell if you need to take this into acct? Tie a piece of elastic 'round your mostly unclothed waist. Wiggle around ... hip circles, shimmies whatever, just keep your hands off waist & elastic. Turn sideways in the mirror. If the front is lower: dropped waist. If not, there are other pages in the pattern fitting books to refer to. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620NK97021840 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:23:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620Mb4h065967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620MXsd045833; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620MS42045792 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j620MPpH001222 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:22:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.73] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-73.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.73]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j620MJ4V254200 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050701165952.0344d508@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:22:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Waists, waists, waists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >put it where I want it. Cant stand the messy bulky rolled "solution". I only do that for commercially produced skirts, like the kind with an elasticized waistband that would be a pain to remodel, and that I only wear to job interviews anyway. My commercially produced trousers fit fine, and so do my self-made historical costume skirts. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620b91G022126 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620aigg066769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620ahVK051878; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aeRr051835 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE8A5E3C4 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701172403.035439b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:25:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] lil boy suspenders ..... In-Reply-To: <20050622062410.93506.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050621135423.033165b8@64.87.54.245> <20050622062410.93506.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry it's been awhile since I commented last, but I've been a bit busy this week and only caught up today. To everyone with their suggestions for little boy suspenders, I thank you all. I will be checking many of them out soon. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620bDGs022133 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620air3066770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aiiM051881; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620aeew051846 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AA25E3AE for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701172613.03544160@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:50 AM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >Henry's complaint that "Am I not a man like >other men?" was a veiled statement that other Popes had annuled royal >marriages or engagements when a male heir was needed(he fathered and >recognized his son Henry Fitzroy)by Elizabeth Blount). It is also interesting to note that when Henry's older sister Margaret, Dowager Queen of Scotland, was in the process of annulling her marriage to her second husband Archibald Douglas, Earl of Angus, that Henry and Catherine both tried very hard to dissuade her from doing so. This was years before Anne came into the picture. But when it came to Henry's time to request an annulment, he was upset that Margaret had succeeded in an annulment, but because of politics in Europe and with the Pope, he couldn't get his request granted. More info on Margaret (and Mary Tudor Brandon), read _The Rose and the Thorn: The lives of Mary and Margaret Tudor_ by Nancy Lenz Harvey. It is very informative. fwiw, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 20:37:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j620bEMN022136 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j620aime066771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620airF051885; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j620afvk051851 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB25E3C9 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701173627.035443f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:36:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca In-Reply-To: References: <002701c57c2c$28ca50c0$6501a8c0@AmyPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/963/Fri Jul 1 07:27:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:29 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: >Due to politics of the time and the mysterious deaths of nobility I would >say keeping on your toes 24/7 can drive you a bit crazy. Look at James of >Scotland. Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 1 23:32:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j623W7BM025428 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j623VJ9f081029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j623VE1J031821; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f31.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j623V9Tj031750 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.35 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:31:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.35] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507011802.j61I1SEp093630@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:31:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2005 03:31:03.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[7980F7D0:01C57EB6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Waists, waists, waists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Cynthia Virtue >Possibly -- although this is only a problem for me for things that end >at the waistband. A garment that hangs from the shoulders, even if >belted, evens out by the time it gets to the hem, what with bust and >butt sort of counter-balancing. > >Are you thinking of everyday wear, or something more frivolous? Because >a slight train (a few inches) makes a graceful line without getting in >the way very much. But one wouldn't do that for an average garment, I >think. I'll have to take your word for it, since in the case of my skirts, my bust and butt don't counterbalance anything :) At this point I'm trying to figure out where I saw the pictures I'm thinking of and drawing a blank. Sorry, my bad - I withdraw the thought until I can find the darned things. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 00:23:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j624N0B5026489 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j624MaO1084056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j624MZFE052566; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j624MVZW052548 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DoZWQ-0005jz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050701231618.02899028@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:22:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200507011801.j61I1SEo093630@net.indra.com> References: <200507011801.j61I1SEo093630@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] TV show - Young Blades X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone else watching the series "Young Blades" on PAX network? http://www.paxtv.com/shows/yngblad/ It's sort of a "Three Musketeers, the next generation" sort of thing (with a little "Magnificent 7" thrown in), supposedly set in the 17th Century. It has an odd mix of historical and modern, nothing is terribly accurate, but it's fun and some of the outfits are really impressive, even if not period-accurate. Not to mention some pretty nifty eye-candy (of both genders). Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 15:47:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j62Jl3ji010871 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j62Jk61v058105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j62Jk0gi046973; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j62Jjv9T046952 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3633BFF5 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:45:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74BF8D40E for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:45:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701173627.035443f0@64.87.54.245> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The one who took over being King of England after Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 2 22:53:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j632rRkP016507 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j632mB98084325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j632m75d015661; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j632m5Si015628 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so472704nzp for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=egM76fdcAfZDTBU/UaYUN49YnShB45k2lL0y4M8m0HzBFy4MMCY2EJo0sc7vrP3FU3RsJizq+qHt2uJ3c8eZXJF8HP6PHzUyoWTgv/DOIJ7UxNASOd1Ca7Z3Fu7BmOzA22mHTcFqvLuOrrN5Vt0fJtmpshsgVNg17L4w7SXYg3I= Received: by 10.36.50.18 with SMTP id x18mr1085803nzx; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.105.14 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c5accc80507021948761bff9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:48:00 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/964/Sat Jul 2 16:49:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/964/Sat Jul 2 16:49:11 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j632m5Si015628 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] AD- Patterns for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Patterns from my private stash. 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Paypal only also will take CC or debit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 10:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63E9Ulx004747 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63E8dbx044960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63E8ZiJ086305; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63E8SHR086230 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:06:21 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcV/PuqR8LeFGn/3TZuI4Omr57HkCAAmaWdw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2005 14:06:21.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[63CA4130:01C57FD8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ahh, James VI and I. (6th of Scotland, first of England) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Juana la Loca The one who took over being King of England after Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- Which James of Scotland? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 13:18:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63HI0hT011292 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63HHOIP059489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63HHJCT072234; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63HHCkr072178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j63HCBlR010598 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:12:11 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42C81D94.2090803@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:17:08 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Folks, Could you email me off list about this -- I recieved an email via my website and I don't know who to send this fellow to; it's out of my range of competence. "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period Clothing." He's in the upper Midwest of the USA. If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and repost them to the list. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 16:21:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63KLHWO015416 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 16:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63KKMrl070529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63KKGqQ049712; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63KJwmC049534 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJ20029IJ5A7VQ0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.40] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.26]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:19:53 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42ccba742c9a6c.42c9a6c42ccba7@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would suggest Sykes Sutlering - they do wonerful stuff, and since the clothes are made in the owner's house - custom sizing could be done. sykesutler@worldnet.att.net attn: Raffaella Marr NAYY -- just a good observer of their stuff. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Virtue > "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing > for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. > I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period > Clothing." > > If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and > repost > them to the list. > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 3 19:49:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j63NnDtl019208 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:49:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j63Nmaoj081984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63NmXmt030962; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j63NmRc0030891 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:46:17 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:48:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <42ccba742c9a6c.42c9a6c42ccba7@optonline.net> Thread-Index: AcWADMVqbiHeSo/7SMCsOKJldqRS2wAHAAmQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2005 23:46:17.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[67AE7C70:01C58029] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/965/Sun Jul 3 13:23:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/965/Sun Jul 3 13:23:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Top of the line that I have seen would be "Desert Torch tailoring."(also Pavilions) Located in Arizona- website seems to be down from where I am accessing from, you may have better luck. www.deserttorch.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1500s European clothing merchant I would suggest Sykes Sutlering - they do wonerful stuff, and since the clothes are made in the owner's house - custom sizing could be done. sykesutler@worldnet.att.net attn: Raffaella Marr NAYY -- just a good observer of their stuff. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Virtue > "I have been looking for quite some time for Quality Mens Clothing > for The Late 1500's. I would like Upper Class/Noble English Clothing. > I'm a Big Guy 6'2" 225 lbs., 48 yrs. I want to Quality, No Junk, Period > Clothing." > > If others are interested, I'd be happy to compile the answers and > repost > them to the list. > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 10:15:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64EF7ec029457 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64EE7DA050613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EE3xl075198; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j64EE2Gm075117 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18245 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2005 14:13:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3hvmVWuSWic+HpE239T4yjRxl1qGgBImHNEUtVEjvZ7SGRLKPHR3jjgWqKf5ND6/yDOjZlFprOScE4lTTxq9Bw9dpHwlLqjKVm7Kr9S/SlaWyolPyKbepSJFtjv66jBrZbJdrXMMI7Nn1VnnhdUKqeYs5DMfxkD43GbWJvLOkA= ; Message-ID: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.119] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 07:13:56 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507011528.j61FRoVt069157@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? thanks Satine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 10:44:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64EiJo5029724 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64EhlVn052469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EhkGV088269; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64EhYbQ088197 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBDD3FDA2 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 184F2394F; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCyUsWAADoBAEAAAAB,c9c993f8d44f4018ded56582fe8ce42b Message-Id: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] veils X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never have any trouble with mine, but then I cheat. I tack them to headbands - the kind that go around your hair Alice in Wonderland style. I use white ones because my hair is grey so they don't show even with sheer veils. Don't try to match the veil in color - match your hair. There may be a little slipping, but not enough to be a problem and I haven't lost a veil yet. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Lady Satine wrote: From: Lady Satine Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? thanks Satine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:00:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64G0Kkb002722 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64FxZrY058475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64FxXTC024790; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64FxTgk024775 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.237] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpTM0-0005LO-JE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:59:29 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c580b1$5a84da70$ed159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:59:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf0e92f692c5173eefb69b4f6cc2f7828350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.237 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Satine wrote: > However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing > ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep > veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? Pay attention to the rear views this week- last episode, when most of the women turned around, you could clearly see one or two fairly ornate pins holding the veils to the hair. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:12:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64GCMi3002880 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:12:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64GBrV7059340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GBonc030691; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GBlFE030661 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABC94208F for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 01005E4BA; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.100.182] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CyV+4AA6QEQEAAAAB,f7aa4393cdf4a336bd2ed3550de3de0c Message-Id: <20050704161136.01005E4BA@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The thing about 'snug-fitting' sleepwear for children has the rationale that the problem with traditional 'loose' nightgowns or PJs was that their excess fabric was much more likely to fall into the flame from a fire, or onto the heating element of those old bar heaters, than PJs with knit bands at the wrists and ankles, or nightgowns that were pretty much just a close fitting tube with sleeves. Many years ago ( 1985-86-ish ) there was a poster up on the wall of the Red-Cross Tea Room under the Brisbane City Hall ( it had a cloakroom where you could leave luggage while going about whatever business you had in town, toilets, shower, and mothers' room ) which had simple but effective illustrations of the 'good' styles, the 'bad' styles, and *why* the 'bad' styles where dangerous. ( I think there was a reasonably graphic depiction of small girl with her nightgown catching on fire from the skirt falling into a heater. ) It also recommended using sleepwear made from fire-retardant fabrics. In Australia, I think it has become less of an issue - at least, I haven't seen the topic addressed in sundry parent-child-oriented publications - as that particular style of heater was withdrawn from the market as being too dangerous, it was around that time that fan heaters and oil-filled heaters became the only types which you could buy. I also suspect that the majority of childrens sleepwear available in the shops is in the recommended styles, but I could be wrong about that, not having had to buy kiddies sleepwear. ( No kids yet! ;-) ) My 2 cents. Joannah. --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: From: AnnBWass@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:17:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flame retardant children's sleepwear fabric In a message dated 6/21/2005 4:55:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kimiko@kimiko1.com writes: I have several ready-made cotton children's pjs, and they are not flame retardant (and are so marked). yes, I've noticed in reading labels on ready-made sleepwear that evidently the legislation was changed to allow knit cotton fabrics for children's sleepwear, as long as they are "snug fitting." Don't know if that was a result of pressure from manufacturers, or consumers, or something else--I've been out of touch with all those issues for about 10 years now. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 4 12:47:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64Gl9vR003375 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:47:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j64Gkgee062658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GkfjW047840; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64GkbsA047816 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-34-069.jps.net ([209.165.34.69]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DpU5c-00053u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:46:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20050704144334.184F2394F@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:44:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lady Satine wrote: >However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when >nothing ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and >staples to keep veils on even the folding method. any >suggestions???? Ah, another person with slippery hair! :) Briefly, what you need is some sort of non-moving structure underneath the veil that you can pin it to. Two cloth bands will provide this. One goes under your chin and up to fasten on top of your head. The other goes around your forehead and fastens at the back of your head. Pin these two together where they cross. You can now pin your veil to these two bands and I guarantee you it will not go _anywhere_! The vertical band keeps the horizontal band from sliding backward or upward. These bands should be snug, but they don't need to be tight. Some people just use the horizontal band, but that doesn't work for me -- I have to make it so tight that it gives me a headache. Using both bands is much more comfortable. Instead of the chin band, you can also use a wimple -- a rectangle of cloth, with one edge under your chin and pinned at the top of your head, and the other edge hanging loose. Pull the loose bottom corners around to the back of your head and pin them together (I also usually pin them together about halfway down the back of my head). The wimple is every woman's friend after she turns 40: it's flattering to most faces, and if you wear one, nobody can tell how many chins you have! :)) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 06:12:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65ACmAk014398 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65AC5iX029834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65ABwnL090047; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j64IRFgm093801 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11671 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:46:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:46:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/966/Mon Jul 4 04:03:13 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Chris Laning wrote: > Instead of the chin band, you can also use a wimple -- a rectangle of > cloth, with one edge under your chin and pinned at the top of your > head, and the other edge hanging loose. Pull the loose bottom corners > around to the back of your head and pin them together (I also usually > pin them together about halfway down the back of my head). Another useful trick is to take a square or circle, and fold it on the diagonal. Put the center of the folded edge under your chin, and wrap the sides up to the top of your head and pin the folded corners together there, so that the folded edge frames your face. Pull the loose sides to the back and pin once or twice along the back of the head, as you describe above The folded edge will be elastic and very comfortable, staying snug while allowing you to move your jaw. Drop a veil over the top and pin here and there as needed. Do all this in linen, which is a little "sticky" anyway, and it will never slip. > The wimple is every woman's friend after she turns 40: it's flattering > to most faces, and if you wear one, nobody can tell how many chins you > have! :)) I love wimples for exactly this reason, but I generally do not wear one for my lectures, because people have to clearly see my bust and cleavage in the fitted dress for demonstration purposes. I should try to find some examples of chin-bands consistent with late 14th c. high fashion, which would serve the same purpose without concealing the cleavage. I do have images of clearly older women in fitted dresses, but they mostly are bare-necked, alas -- I even point out the sagging chins in one of my slides to show that older women wore the fitted fashion! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 06:15:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65AF745014428 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65AEhxG030113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65AEh2j091530; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j653Tb3H024507 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:29:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 60255 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2005 03:29:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lQJ5knpBDP6MKFiUmY7To/mqBv8b3GRj2OWh1I2VMov/ABllhyjNtg6v2cpDaIp0qkLX+9b/xuOXf0iMJieYV1ipOx3H5eZtk0roP3kld8zzoLOrKBjKRC0OrGyx40dWrvVXcx+EEdAw9X+q78qi1i8H/1ahx/4nN2i/lTs9aQQ= ; Message-ID: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:29:31 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have someone that has requested me to interpret this painting into real costume: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg Portrait of a Soldier 1555-59 Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm Museo del Prado, Madrid I lack practical experience with men's wear in general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out project, so I need to know just what I am committing to here. I see the following layers: *underwear *shirt *netherstocks *jerkin *possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves *Venetians/Breeches Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to start finding reference materials for construction? Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I get underway - just trying to design the embossing on that velvet will be a serious challenge. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. -Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 07:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65B7UsI015073 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65B6HSD036362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65B5dA8013330; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65B4wEa013062 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-27081); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:04:54 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:04:52 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 04:06:49 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >painting into real costume: > >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >1555-59 >Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm >Museo del Prado, Madrid > >I lack practical experience with men's wear in >general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out >project, so I need to know just what I am committing >to here. I see the following layers: >*underwear >*shirt >*netherstocks >*jerkin >*possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves >*Venetians/Breeches > >Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to >start finding reference materials for construction? > >Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I >get underway - just trying to design the embossing on >that velvet will be a serious challenge. > >Kathy > >It's never too late to be who you might have been. >-George Eliot >An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. >-Oscar Wilde I'm not certain what you mean by "embossing". All the fabric looks plain-surfaced on my monitor. The sleeves (and in this case the Venetians, too) look to my eyes like alternating strips of plain and box-pleated fabric. I once made a pair of sleeves that were described in the written material as "paned", but when I studied the portrait in great detail, I concluded that the "paned" strips were actually box-pleated. When I tried box-pleating alternate strips instead of making panes, the sleeves were easy to wear and looked very much like the portrait, right down to the way the artist showed the fabric at the elbows. It is a lot less work than finishing off innumerable small panes (plus, you don't need to have any fancy lining to show between the panes). You might want to look into the Gentleman's Wardrobe pattern set from Margo's Historic Patterns (www.margospatterns.com). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 08:09:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65C93bj015952 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65C8IIS056834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65C5vms040701; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65C5sX8040687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DpmBO-0004Ve-IH; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20050705070546.h60qn909h3c4ss8w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:05:46 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050705035145.0304c7f0@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Joan Jurancich : > At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >> I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >> painting into real costume: >> >> http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg >> > > I'm not certain what you mean by "embossing". All the fabric looks > plain-surfaced on my monitor. > > The sleeves (and in this case the Venetians, too) look to my eyes > like alternating strips of plain and box-pleated fabric. *snippage* I suspect that what they're talking about is the horizontal strips separating the "box-pleated" panes. If you look at those, you may be able to see that there appears to be some sort of tracery pattern on them -- perhaps embroidery. This image is too small to really tell -- and I"m not finding a better one on the web. :-( Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 08:46:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65CkZfu016610 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65Ck40r065822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65ChgrI058383; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65ChfAm058335 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51133 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2005 12:43:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SN9uS2TOSV0vAIcANQErU14Bee9K36utqiVOoQDFMYYVQeBP89XkUEqncaKPZ5g+n/ZW1qbUFutQmqttO9VV5wgnamroxzVxmcX6JZKeXDBpFeQjT43fYP7jQy3Qt3+h/cSfGILNg1Q7s9uqyh+nqM6JA/IfvqGUbzxbWZw5z6s= ; Message-ID: <20050705124336.51131.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.142] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 05:43:36 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 05:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507041800.j64I02Rt082280@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] veils.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to everyone for the great Ideas for Veils. I am new to the is type of costume and Have recently discovered a sligtly damp veil in this heat (yes I am a heat wimp!) is so much cooler! I will play with both ideas and give an update after a few events!!!! I will need to tape it tonight. Husband has bosses coming over for a BBQ.. I will look! thanks S. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:07:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65D7cCD017026 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65D73A0070164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65D719S070257; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j65D6vUY070167 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBNXBQXASG7S8S for (sender ); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn78ki+yC9PzM5rDPafk2O+SzFI255vWddgg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KW58PYSV; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:05:57 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:00:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Message-ID: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,9-10,16-24,26-70 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 25:12:755128983 X-MAIL-INFO: 46c19599c9105169907d440c64a0817da0604dad71d1ddfd601901598d2d9059157139e04904451db050b0f9a599f9a5d4d1a5d40445214df534a98d4d391184a9e139553ded39b570951d191d9114d424a51dd1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To me, the sleeves look like they are a velvet or fine wool that has been slashed, then trim applied as horizontal bands separating the slashed sections. To get them to stand out, you cut the 'fashion fabric' slightly longer than the lining and then tack the horizontal bands to the lining and let the extra fabric naturally created the fullness. Unless you are planning to make linen under drawers (which were worn but not universally) then the long tails of the shirt function as underwear. The bottom of the shirt should fall well below the hips and could fall as low as just above the knee. There's a doublet under the jerkin made of the red fabric, so that's two 'outer' layers for the torso. The jerkin has the long, vertical slashes that were frequently found in Italian fashions. Hope you get really good at the slashes with horizontal bands because from what I can see, the doublet is made in the same way as the sleeves and trunkhose so you will be doing alot of it! Oh, and don't forget the stuffed codpiece....... Karen Seamstrix On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Kathy Page writes: > I have someone that has requested me to interpret this > painting into real costume: > > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > > Portrait of a Soldier > 1555-59 > Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm > Museo del Prado, Madrid > > I lack practical experience with men's wear in > general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out > project, so I need to know just what I am committing > to here. I see the following layers: > *underwear > *shirt > *netherstocks > *jerkin > *possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves > *Venetians/Breeches > > Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to > start finding reference materials for construction? > > Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I > get underway - just trying to design the embossing on > that velvet will be a serious challenge. > > Kathy > > It’s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > An inordinate passion for pleasure is the secret of remaining young. > -Oscar Wilde > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:33:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65DXrAS017580 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65DXLvp074593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DXJ5A084535; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DXFfA084489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j65DXEjl010840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <42CA8C19.60807@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:33:13 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wonder if that red material was a very find brushed or sueded leather. Leather breeches and jerkins were not unusual and of the few extant examples I've seen some were buttery soft and had a slight nap. That would certainly make the slashes easier--wouldn't have to finish any edges. Of course, reproducing the bands would then be a problem. If they are fabric over leather that might be hard to match color-wise and might look odd, and if they are tooled leather that would be really difficult. Unless it's embroidered leather. Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? - Hope > <> > Kathy Page writes: > > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > > Thanks so much, this will be a major project once I > get underway - just trying to design the embossing on > that velvet will be a serious challenge. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 09:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Dc2rx017665 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65DbgnM075408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65DbgsX086722; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65Dbc5s086683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j65DfTU2027104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050705093654.017cd230@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:37:35 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <42CA8C19.60807@uvm.edu> References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can think of lots of gloves and a few shoes that were leather with gold or polychrome embroidery. Bridgette / Mari > Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 11:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Fe3uU019289 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65Fd6b5094499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65FcioU070024; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65Fc9wk069557 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F17B3179D94; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:38:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.12.50.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.12.50]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C991D179DEE for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:38:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:39:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j65Fe3uU019289 Status: RO I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out what exactly is out of the norm. A good example of what I am looking for is this bit of saints-wear, by Holbein Jr: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11b.jpg (small) http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11a.jpg (same thing, just larger) which is clearly fanciful and allegorical, but bears a passing resemblance to something that could have been worn by a real person. Anyone seen anything along these lines? Any suggestions for artists who did a whole lot of allegorical works, but didn't use drapery styles? I've gotten so much in the (bad) habit of turning a blind eye to what's obviously, flat-out allegorical that I haven't even noticed which of my favorite artists did a lot of the kind of thing I'm looking for! Holbein Jr and Sr both did a good bit of it, as did Durer, but that's about as far as I've gotten. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 12:10:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65GASOn019640 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65G9qUT000305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65G9igZ096950; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65G9Ybw096778 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.148] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DppzH-0001OE-34 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c5817b$eb806d30$94159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b71ac082faeb294b46425c6034a6ea6db350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.148 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out what exactly is out of the norm. Try the Flemish artists like Quentin Massys and Marinus van Reymerswaele. Their works include paintings of saints and some moral allegories. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 12:47:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Gl7fI020065 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65GkSjR006761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65GkMRF029430; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65GkJ0R029364 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [68.167.255.65] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpqYr-0001qQ-LO for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:46:17 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=X8Lb2yuQDLb06OXCWH1zDs/wLNsnAuiY9KE6ZElsgg6j9sj1XDJ38C8e6ll6eUAR; Message-ID: <002101c58181$18fe7220$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com><20050705.080055.-761891.0.penhalion@juno.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20050705093654.017cd230@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:46:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c0195f81fbc38847be2d9985a073b955a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.255.65 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Historical Costume in Detail has a doublet from about 1625-1630 that is leather with embroidery. Melusine > > I can think of lots of gloves and a few shoes that were leather with gold > or polychrome embroidery. Bridgette / Mari > >> Can someone refresh my memory--embroidery on soft leather--examples? > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 15:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65J4NJX021514 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:04:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65J3mHE028259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65J3jBI040699; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65J3asc040515 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.146] (pm5-146.eos.net [205.133.149.146]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j65J3POt002847 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:03:26 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:55:13 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: portrait of a soldier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jerusha wrote: > I suspect that what they're talking about is the horizontal strips separating > the "box-pleated" panes. If you look at those, you may be able to see that > there appears to be some sort of tracery pattern on them -- perhaps > embroidery. > This image is too small to really tell -- and I"m not finding a better one > on the web. :-( On my screen, the horizontal strips show up very well. They look more like a jaquard weave to me. That might not be the right term. What I am trying to say is a geometric pattern woven into threads of the same color. That's how I would recreate it, not as embroidery or embossing. But a very gorgeous outfit, however you interpret it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 15:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65Jq6Rp022023 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:52:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65JpXP7036401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65JpUCB076951; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65JpRsB076897 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF14C3C63B for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6288FD466 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:51:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The red material is either red suede leather or velvet. The sleeves could be box pleated but the left forearm and the right cuff make me lean towards slashes and that the bands are non - applied bands but of the same sleeve material with embroidery to stop the slashes. Basically, one solid sleeve with alternating slashes and bands. So the suede route might be easier and you could possibly embossed instead of embroider. Note that the sleeve cuffs have small cloth covers buttons. Note that the codpiece uses the "embroidered" band design only, no slashes. The black jerkin looks to be velvet. The garment seems to be a bit odd on the right shoulder region so I not sure about the cut there. I am not sure what he has in his hand but it isn't gloves. Though I don't think there is underwear underneath this, you might want to make him a set of linen boxers for his own modern mind comfort. (unless he's use to not wearing any underwear.) From my understanding the pants and codpiece are what help the special package from bouncing around to much. Long shirt.. Actually, Margo Anderson has a good pattern for Men that may cut your trouble in half http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm Just scroll down to the men's pattern, go to the site for that pattern. Good luck on your challenge. De -----Original Message----- I have someone that has requested me to interpret this painting into real costume: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg Portrait of a Soldier 1555-59 Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm Museo del Prado, Madrid (snip) Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:01:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65L1I7I022700 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65L0R8I048641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65L0G8Z028526; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65L0DkD028467 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DpuWa-0004sh-7U for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:58:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for early 16thC allegorical images References: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <023a01c58177$bffcbc30$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not sure about specific artists, but check out crucifixion scenes and look for Mary Magdalene. She is very often distinguished from the other women by wearing something outlandish, particularly in sleeves or headgear. Jean E House wrote >I'm looking for something a little odd: allegorical styles from >c1500-c1525, from France/Flanders/Netherlands/Germany/Poland/Hungary & >Bohemia, etc... just about anywhere within Europe except England, >Spain, and Italy. I'm not looking for the classical drapery sort of >allegorical garments, nor the ones that are so similar to what's >normally worn that you have to check every single detail to figure out >what exactly is out of the norm. > >A good example of what I am looking for is this bit of saints-wear, by >Holbein Jr: >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11b.jpg (small) >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03977f11a.jpg (same thing, just larger) >which is clearly fanciful and allegorical, but bears a passing >resemblance to something that could have been worn by a real person. > >Anyone seen anything along these lines? Any suggestions for artists >who did a whole lot of allegorical works, but didn't use drapery >styles? I've gotten so much in the (bad) habit of turning a blind eye >to what's obviously, flat-out allegorical that I haven't even noticed >which of my favorite artists did a lot of the kind of thing I'm looking >for! Holbein Jr and Sr both did a good bit of it, as did Durer, but >that's about as far as I've gotten. > >-E House >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LPEEm022958 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LOnRJ052940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LOmKo046805; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LOhno046720 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQAT8DAKLS8YDXXA@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:24:39 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQAT8E7C0M987PPJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:24:40 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:26:27 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-reply-to: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CAFB03.5000004@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >1555-59 >Oil on canvas, 119 x 91 cm >Museo del Prado, Madrid > >I lack practical experience with men's wear in >general, let alone this period. This is a skin-out >project, so I need to know just what I am committing >to here. I see the following layers: >*underwear >*shirt >*netherstocks >*jerkin >*possibly waistcoat, but could be attached sleeves >*Venetians/Breeches > >Sound about right? Anyone have any clues where to >start finding reference materials for construction? > > Mostly. I'd have to guess that he's wearing a black jerkin over a red doublet. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:27:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LR8Vn022987 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LQcCe053221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LQaxf048081; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LQWC1047959 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.128.60243bd6 (15700) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R33 (fwm-r33.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.137]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5442cafaf919; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74FBF50AD4B9E-FB8-13A2F@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:17 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe you could find a well-illustrated book with a general overview of Flemish saints or something? I just picked up a pretty nice little book about angels from Taschen. I'm making some Christmas angel dolls for my craft booth and I needed inspiration for the costumes. It gave a pretty good overview of lots of artists in different time periods, which gives me a basis to do more research. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:29:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LT3oo023003 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LSabL053482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LSYiZ049437; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LST7C049379 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQATD2F78095V2R3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:26 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQATD3AQSG987QM3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:27 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:30:14 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CAFBE6.4090304@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >Though I don't think there is underwear underneath this, you might want to >make him a set of linen boxers for his own modern mind comfort. (unless he's >use to not wearing any underwear.) From my understanding the pants and >codpiece are what help the special package from bouncing around to much. > > Nope. White linen drawers would have been the norm. (Can you imagine the condition of a pair of venetians made of non-washable fabric after a few wearings without underpants? Ugh!!) -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 17:30:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65LU1iJ023012 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65LTb8Z053624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LTYVF050157; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65LTLJf049964 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1e4.3eddd8fb (16099) for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R33 (fwm-r33.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.137]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee342cafba314a; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8C74FBFB5FA1590-FB8-13A62@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:29:07 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nk091455@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotton velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO By the way, Fabric.com has eight earthtone-type shades of cotton velvet right now for $10.65 a yard, if anyone's interested. Tara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 18:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65MC2e0023317 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65MBJN4057938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MBDRB081447; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MB5Om081330 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67573C0C4 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDB5C4FB for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42CAFBE6.4090304@paradise.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh that is so good to know! I have seen the results of leather loinclothes that haven't been cleaned and their not a pretty sight. EEww De -----Original Message----- Nope. White linen drawers would have been the norm. (Can you imagine the condition of a pair of venetians made of non-washable fabric after a few wearings without underpants? Ugh!!) -- Adele de Maisieres _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 18:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j65MuNK5023752 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j65MtMqR062199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MtKFr011972; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j65MtHoF011924 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25960 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:14:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:14:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images In-Reply-To: <8C74FBF50AD4B9E-FB8-13A2F@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean wrote: > Not sure about specific artists, but check out crucifixion scenes and > look for Mary Magdalene. She is very often distinguished from the > other women by wearing something outlandish, particularly in sleeves > or headgear. Tea rose wrote: > Maybe you could find a well-illustrated book with a general overview > of Flemish saints or something? I just picked up a pretty nice little > book about angels from Taschen. I'm guessing these are indeed the sort of thing E was looking for, but just in case, it's worth making a clarification: Not all non-realistic costumes are allegorical. Allegory is a particular kind of non-literal portrayal (the presentation of a quality or concept via symbols) -- think of images of the virtues or Fate or the Church. The use of attributes to identify saints is iconographical, not allegorical. The use of "foreign" or "historic" elements to mark characters in a story is a visual means of showing distance in place or time. You can have allegorical elements working in the same figure as iconography or other visual symbolism, but they're not all the same thing. So: Mary Magdalen is not an allegorical figure; she's historical/religious/biblical. Her costume may include specific accepted attributes for identification (e.g. the ointment jar), symbols to put her in a time/place context (foreign headdress, Biblical sandals), and/or elements to indicate her personal characteristics (sexy or expensive clothing to indicate her background as a courtesan, undone hair to indicate grief, a cross or rosary to indicate piety, etc.). None of those happen to be allegorical in the technical sense. Costumer's shorthand, though, tends to call all of these things "allegorical," because they are all unreliable for a realistic interpretation. And I think we all understand that, but I figured it was worth pointing out that not all scholars outside of costume would understand the term in this way. So if E wants to ask an art historian for examples of "allegorical art," she'll get only a subset of what she's probably looking for. And if she describes certain uses as allegorical, some people will misunderstand what she is saying. This is something I have been sloppy about in the past, and I should have known better, since my original exposure to this terminology was through art history and literary criticism, not costume! I tend to be much more careful when talking with other scholars than when I'm talking with costumers who I'm certain are more interested in the basic distinction of real/not-real, not "why is it not real." E, if you're looking for the migration of certain costume elements from real life to symbolic use, or the other way around, you might do well to distinguish the various types of symbolic use, e.g. you may find the pattern in some forms of painting but not others. To the medieval artist, there was as much difference between an historical treatment and an allegorical one as there was between a either of those and a portrait. And as much overlap! --Robin --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 5 20:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j660tFrt024781 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:55:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j660seMd071057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j660sY0Z075174; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j660sVt3075156 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3DFC6208F8; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:57:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.126.70.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.126.70]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C79BF20332 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:57:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <028f01c581c5$7aa98e80$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: looking for early 16thC allegorical images Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/967/Mon Jul 4 15:36:05 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was definitely using 'allegorical' as shorthand, since it's the most common term used on this list for the type of thing I'm seeking. I'm looking for images of saints, foreigners, religious figures, historical figures, allegorical figures, and even royalty depicted in clothing that is, for one reason or another, not what would have been worn by any actual human being of that time period. I'm also looking for fashions that are odd enough that it would take a lot of proof to call them realistic. But that takes a lot longer to say. =} I do ask in different terms on a list like this than I would ask in, say, a museum. However, it is certainly good to make that distinction--especially since I'm looking for as large a subset as possible! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 00:39:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j664djnf026578 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:39:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j664d1kg085676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j664ctjJ073362; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j664coq5073327 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Dq1gQ-0003Db-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:38:50 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:37:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Items of possible interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got my weekly online ad from Hancock's Fabric - normally I just ignore them, but this looks like it might have interest for those who do needlework at events: It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver and gold finishes. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 04:02:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6682dAp029102 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6681rrT005019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j667xPFY054338; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j667xM3R054295 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-25007); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:59:22 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706005735.0301cb40@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:01:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:37 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: >I just got my weekly online ad from Hancock's Fabric - normally I >just ignore them, but this looks like it might have interest for >those who do needlework at events: > > > >It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape >measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver >and gold finishes. > >Sandy Some of these would be lovely for 19th century events (especially for 1870s or later). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 04:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j668S5vi002980 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j668RRTk012048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j668ROgb064691; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j668RKgv064669 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D43F5DD5A for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:27:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050705032931.60253.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/968/Tue Jul 5 20:48:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kathy, It sounds like your listing of garments is about right, although I call a waistcoat a doublet. I am not as familiar with the Italian styles, but I have done a few men's 16th c. garments in the past few years, English and German (who so loved those cuttes and slashes). You may get more info on the slashing and cuttes from those who do German fashions. There is a group on yahoogroups, and the people there are very helpful (and some were on here, but not sure if they still are). Some observations, fwiw. The fabric to me appears to be a sueded leather, velvet or even a fulled tight weave yet fuzzy looking wool (similar to today's heavy coat wool). My reasoning is that on the upper thigh, it appears more to be a reversed embossing where the pile has flattened along the decorative edges and is shiny there while the design and main material is matte in appearance. I don't know if they could do a reversed emboss back then, so that's just speculation on my part. If the fabric is leather or a tight, fulled wool, cuttes are easily done with no fraying of the edges. If the fabric is velvet, then the edges might not be finished. Many articles of pinked and slashed garments in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion book shows obvious fraying. What can minimize fraying is cutting on the bias, or glueing the edges if you really want (like Fraycheck, although that *will* change the look of the fabric). It may be that the sleeves and breeches were created on the bias to allow the slits to be vertical, yet still minimize the fraying, and allow for a comfortable, yet relatively tight fit, and allow for good movement, something a soldier would want. The jerkin is obviously slashed to show the doublet underneath. There may be a third slash that cannot be seen because of the angle of the model. However, considering the right slash (from the viewer) is showing the buttons of the doublet, I am inclined to think there is a third slash further right showing off more of the cut work of the doublet underneath. You can sew the lining to the fashion fabric of the jerkin to prevent any fraying, or sew them in sections for a similar effect. I am wondering what the bump on the side of the codpiece really is. It breaks the line of the jerkin's edge. I also wonder what the shiny thing above the codpiece is as well. On the small slashes of the sleeves and breeches, from experience I know that when a garment area is cut in that manner, it will naturally open up a bit more, giving the look of being bigger than the bands that aren't cut. It is my suggestion to have one piece of material, and alternate between cut bands and uncut fabric, instead of sewing larger cut bands onto uncut bands. However, the best thing is to experiment with this yourself, and see what you think is best. And definitely stabilize the collar area of the jerkin, padstitching the foundation fabrics to the main fabric. I did that for my husband's doublet, and it really gets that collar to stay upright and proper looking. Good luck, and keep us informed on your progress. I would love to see your final garments. Kimiko At 08:29 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: >I have someone that has requested me to interpret this >painting into real costume: > >http://www.wga.hu/art/m/moroni/port_sol.jpg > >Portrait of a Soldier >> >Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 10:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j66EoXm1032511 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:50:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j66EnmHZ036297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66EniT3039587; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66Endm9039493 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706F042059 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 51FDE37DB4; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cos } pants........ what a "waist" X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Cy++CAAQmwAEAAAAB,f3b538f44c799700ebd5b756e6539a88 Message-Id: <20050706144938.51FDE37DB4@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/969/Wed Jul 6 02:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/969/Wed Jul 6 02:53:40 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heavens, yes! I made a simple skirt, with an elastisized waist in a casing, for a Magenta costume, for the same young friend who only wore hipster jeans - and she kept pulling the skirt down on her hips! She politely listened when I adjusted the skirt back to where it belonged, and then promptly pulled it back down again. At least she never tried to do that with the loaner skirt she had for her 17thC costume. :-) Although she would have been tripping over the hem all the time if she did that. Joannah. --- Lynn Downward wrote: Then again, I have had the same discussion with my two teen-age daughters about where their waists are. It's pitiful to try to fit anything with a hoop skirt on them because they insist that the waist of the skirt goes down where their jean tops are. And they're angry at me because I don't know my own anatomy! I ask, "Does it fit better here and does it feel better here?" "Yeah." "And that's where it belongs, right near your belly button." "But that's not where my waist is." I've given up the semantic argument and tell them that These Particular Clothes fit HERE not where they wear their jeans. That sometimes ends argument for the time. LynnD _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 14:49:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j66InggC003643 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:49:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j66In7wA063389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66In2wG041246; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j66ImvAw041195 for ; 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Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:29:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673T34s015591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:29:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673Ssen089889; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673Souj089819 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.75 ([204.127.135.75]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005070703284511100o8197e>; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:28:45 +0000 Received: from [24.12.12.38] by 204.127.135.75; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 Message-Id: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:38:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673cwGY010614 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673cV29016139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673cTr0094346; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673cNbb094305 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LQCKKYPJF495V16B@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:38:18 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LQCKKYEBYA95VK2M@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:38:18 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:40:06 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-reply-to: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42CCA416.5070909@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sarafina Sinclair wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > Depends... if the doublet's being worn over bodies or a kirtle-bodies (as it should), it should only be a matter of using sufficient hooks and eyes. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673lnan010694 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:47:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673lP4c016771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lO9K098695; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lJPd098654 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EBA5D1EB for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204342.034e9480@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:46:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019 B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan >doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large >busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps >and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net Hello Sarafina, The best suggestion I have is to place the hooks where they are just peeking over the one edge, and then place the eyes further in from the edge (and further in then you think at first glance). Then to alternate between the hooks and eyes, if you are sewing each set individually (vs. using hook & eye tape). hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 6 23:51:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j673pki7010720 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j673oBPV016973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673oB6A000153; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j673o9vV099992 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78726 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 03:50:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050707035001.78723.qmail@web81407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.162] by web81407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:50:01 PDT X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42CCA416.5070909@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And setting the hooks and eyes into the seam/between the lining and outer layer of fabric, so only a bit of the hook or eye shows. alex --- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Sarafina Sinclair wrote: > > >Greetings, > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's > elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes > (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with > uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes > and laced it up. > > > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Depends... if the doublet's being worn over bodies or a kirtle-bodies > > (as it should), it should only be a matter of using sufficient hooks > and > eyes. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Quot homines, tot sententiae. > ----------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 01:05:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6755rB2011393 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67552Yv023419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6754x8O035387; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6754tBa035360 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m136.in-tch.com [216.166.191.136]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j674xQq22365 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:10:49 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In one word, boning. Not only good boning in the corset she's surely wearing underneath, but also additional boning in the doublet, especially along the edges where you're putting the fasteners. Also, ensuring the doublet fits properly, and making it out of fabrics that aren't flimsy will help. I don't wear 'bethans much any more, having largely gone to an earlier time period for my SCA stuff, but I'm extremely large-busted, and as long as the top was fitted and boned, and of sufficient strength, I never had a gaposis problem. --sue p.s. Putting the hooks and eyes relatively close together helps as well. I tended to use the pre-made hook-and-eye tape when I could get away with it. ;o) Sarafina Sinclair wrote: > Greetings, > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan > doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large > busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable > gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it > up. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 01:06:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6756QHO011402 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67560qn023468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6755xpM035831; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6755ufP035755 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1ec.3e810c48 (4552) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.3e810c48.2ffe122d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:05:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Set the hooks slightly back from the edge, and have the eye slightly out from the opposing edge, with a strip of the fashion fabric protruding about an inch or so behind them as an underlap. Use lots of them. If the front is curved [as is the cut in Janet Arnold], it helps to run a line of running stitches at the bulge of the curve and SLIGHTLY ease in the outside edge. You can do this right on the fold if self faced.....so it won't show. Press it on a ham. This is particularly effective if you have an overlap or underlap...like with buttons, but will help with edge to edge closings too. The ease thingie is good on 18 century men's coats with curved CFs too....even if the don't close at all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 02:53:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j676rjAe030271 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:53:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j676r6TI029939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j676qtt9084667; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j676qp75084642 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18021); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:52:46 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:52:46 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706235420.03068c90@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:54:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's >elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes >(for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with >uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all >eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net My doublet closes with hooks and eyes. The hooks and eyes need to be no more than about an inch apart and placed so that the front edges of the doublet meet; any farther apart and they leave gaps. Also, the doublet should not be too tightly fitted; leave a little bit of ease. The hooks and eyes should not be straining to hold the doublet closed. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 08:49:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67CnRdA015949 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:49:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Cmrk7064600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67CmfNk038058; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67CmceP038025 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523C23FFC0 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2E7F43952; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCzSShAAJbmgEAAAAB,c3479373f36cf0467c55e08fe4f728e8 Message-Id: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Boning down both edges helps. Put the hooks and eyes about an inch apart (yep, it's a real bother, but closer is better) AND add a modesty panel along one side. It will make you feel more secure and will hide any little gaps that happen from time to time no matter how well made and how well fitted the doublet is. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) wrote: From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:28:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Greetings, Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes (for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all eyes and laced it up. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 08:59:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67CxhBk016074 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Cx8bU065912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Cx50b044050; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Cx0c7043953 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-95-9.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.95.9]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j67CwvXX013588 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> <42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them and are they alright? I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:19:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DJ3U0016315 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:19:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DHvm0067539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DHugO054577; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DHrk1054498 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN4L4KA28UUDA for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zETe0mMkO6O7uG7b8WZx+WeYtHNtMTKcg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXBD4FJ7; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:16:21 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:07:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Message-ID: <20050707.080759.-152488379.2.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-12,14-29 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 9:4:3354974657 X-MAIL-INFO: 2a41fd19fde45105e45180ad518039a509a414299934a484507499c58415b9d484cd9d94412141649080655141ad X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard from Teddy and he's okay. He was at work by the time the explosions happened. He will probably be stuck staying at a friend's house this evening as the Tube service from where he works (north and west in London) to where he lives (Wimbledon, far south of London) is pretty much nonfunctional. Karen Seamstrix On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:52 -0400 "Ailith Mackintosh" writes: > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard > from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am > concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:21:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DLY3E016343 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:21:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DL1Ar067656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DL1T1056285; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DKvgR056197 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysarafina@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.42 ([204.127.135.42]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2005070713205211100o7pkce>; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:52 +0000 Received: from [72.255.31.174] by 204.127.135.42; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:20:51 +0000 From: ladysarafina@att.net (Sarafina Sinclair) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:20:51 +0000 Message-Id: <070720051320.1904.42CD2C330002860A00000770216028130202019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 14 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: aHN3YXNoaW5ndG9uQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I think my problem was the spacing on the hooks and eyes. I need to move them closer together and change where they sit on the edge. I do wear a proper corset and all the other stuff that goes under the doublet and it fits quite well. I guess with lacing you can get away with the eyes being farther apart. It already has 28 sets of eyes and I will probably have to add in half again as many. I was hoping to not have to remove all of them and start over, but that's life. The closer you get to the end of a project, the more work that pops up. I hope to wear this gown in a few weeks and I'll post pics on my website. Thanks again! Sarafina -- The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE http://ladysarafina.home.att.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:33:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DXSN8016498 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DWxfK068418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DWwYV063062; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DWqFB062964 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m245.in-tch.com [216.166.191.245]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j67DRJq24073; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42CD3064.1090207@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:38:44 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , "H-Needlework@ansteorra.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was horrified to read in the news this morning that some damned terrorist group was setting off bombs in London today, and that there were casualties. My thoughts and prayers are with anyone dealing with the effects of that violence.... Does anyone have a way of contacting Teddy, and seeing if he's okay? I know he's off-list at the moment.... --Sue from Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 09:48:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67DmNM1016677 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67DlmAk069613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Dlk0N071569; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DlSn6071369 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55739 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 13:47:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PyeVrj5O2V+vOqNbDEYVXV3b7m4M/gbmhG68qWLEfw/GifR9ts1FrpIAsKAqXawQUAa481mbg3JqGBjQE9WkVWVO5lMeAd9TAU7UFStinEmZ6TZtwE96MbmVEdVcHgIRlqzKSCxvxkxYTUsQWp1YImgSK9Ow8I0qsKBR1Q9dGt8= ; Message-ID: <20050707134723.55737.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.100] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:47:23 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lady Satine To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200507071330.j67DTxxF061171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 440 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am rally glad to hear that our London Frieds are Okay! 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Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 10:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67ECc6B017028 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67EC7u9071460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EC0Fa087327; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67EBuAS087223 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7076 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 14:11:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=StqZcLuoKtdcOCs0gHiW1U3QBtG/CKmii74lxrNm8fflVn4qDhENifQEDYAlMS6qbIyFS3mctje/M73tG0TwmYtpkLHQoieV9rV+i4c79QO69PZACKuTQ3lLZ+e8Yc6ey0j8Kuj/7179X/e+AxvfXLEttMcSwrW5ZmMPJTJPqB0= ; Message-ID: <20050707141150.7074.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:11:50 BST Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:11:50 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] London troubles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List folks London is indeed in trouble - so far four explosions, timed to cause a lot of pain and injury. It will be tomorrow before final death and casualty numbers are known since explosions took place within tunnels on the tube. Further controlled explosions have taken place but they don't seem to think any more will take place. Suzi - are you ok??? You and all the otherlondoners are in our thoughts. Susan, feeling guilty for complaining about the G8 protesters in her backyard all weekend... ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 10:59:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67ExMAT017768 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67EwemI076189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EwcTZ021644; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67EwUkL021472 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.55]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050707145824.PXJI1636.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:58:19 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 7 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David Brown Books has notified me that "NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way to us in a surface shipment." Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:16:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GG6FZ018987 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GFMm7084860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GFG9Y082493; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j673lJQH098657 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C0F5D82D for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204654.034e8e18@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:47:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:49 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Belt clasp for the sword belt. > >-----Original Message----- >(snip) > I also wonder what the shiny thing >above the codpiece is as well. That's an interesting style for a belt clasp. Thanks. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GILet019048 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GHmaT085134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GHmr3084548; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67D7Vaw048909 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.160]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C4CB47FEBC for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c582f4$d50ac0d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:07:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I hope also everybody we know are safe. It is really scary. They also told Denmark to keep out of the war, so i guess Copenhagen could be hit next time, i use the subway every day to my work. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from > them and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GIQUc019051 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GI9tn085221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GI9nR084899; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67DcJUn066032 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j67DcDx28803.; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:38:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:38:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:37:54 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j67GIQUc019051 Status: RO Is Stevie Gamble still on list? I know she lives in London. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GIjrP019064 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GI2x4085194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GI1Js084796; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67DTsTl061090 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stevie.gamble@btinternet.com) Received: (qmail 75301 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2005 13:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dan) (stevie.gamble@217.44.134.14 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2005 13:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com> <000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:32:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:20:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GKYZp019095 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GJduf085465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GJb5I086173; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (mail.wightman.on.ca [216.110.227.141] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GEMG7081868 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 22C60D4110; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.103]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2E9D3F0E for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c5830e$e6fe1840$6400a8c0@MAIN> From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: References: <200507071330.j67DTxxE061171@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:13:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-30.0 required=8.0 tests=RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: folks in London OK? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is simply stunning news. I shouldn't be surprised. But I am. Look, from Canada, from the Stephens household (which has very deep roots in England) we send all our thoughts and wishes. Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry historical sewing patterns; quality, hand-crafted cooperage; embroidery supplies, and more. www.5rivers.org - info@5rivers.org 519-799-5577 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:22:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GMs3u019137 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:22:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GMQlU085799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GMOZH088633; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GMJ5i088528 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id MAA06873; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:22:18 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200507071622.MAA06873@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:22:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200507071330.j67DTxxF061171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j67GMJ5i088528 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hanging a hanging X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may be a bit off topic since it's not clothing...but it is historic. A friend is trying to research how wall hangings were actually hung. I suggested she get in touch with some English museums but then remembered there are many UK folks here. How did they keep those gorgeous tapestries on the castle walls? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GZJiU019354 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GY2UK087035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GDg80081323; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j673i3hJ097152 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18098); Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:44:02 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:44:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050706204001.0306dc10@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:45:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets In-Reply-To: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019 B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:28 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how to have a woman's >elizabethan doublet lie down (relatively) flat using hooks and eyes >(for a large busted woman)? The last time I tried, I ended up with >uncontrollable gaps and I eventually gave up and just put on all >eyes and laced it up. > >Any help is greatly appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Sarafina >-- >The Honourable Lady Sarafina Sinclair, CE >http://ladysarafina.home.att.net My doublet closes with hooks and eyes. The hooks and eyes need to be no more than about an inch apart and placed so that the front edges of the doublet meet; any farther apart and they leave gaps. Also, the doublet should not be too tightly fitted; leave a little bit of ease. The hooks and eyes should not be straining to hold the doublet closed. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:45:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67GjYUT019584 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GixXK088925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GiuSX007820; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67GiqJL007617 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail31.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.171]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN4Y9XAHS8GUA for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:44:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zETe0mMkO6OWRiCC2h84rRyY5dj1rjgYA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail31.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXBRZKFJ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:44:29 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail31.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:44:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:44:01 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050707.094429.3631.362554@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2733192785 X-MAIL-INFO: 457b7f6f7f67020367028fbf028f4ac773ea5f1f1eaeeace8b2e1eebce9b7a9ecee7fe0f7b777b1b2b8f0a027bbf X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.171|webmail31.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to hear you are okay too, Stevie! Karen Seamstrix -- "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" wrote: My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard from them > and are they alright? > > I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am concerned. > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 12:48:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67Gm06q019626 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67GlWfA089274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GlWk5010032; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67GlRNU009987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DqZWx-0008CA-MJ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20050707114719.epyclax71nc0cgk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:47:19 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hooks and eyes on doublets References: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050707124833.2E7F43952@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A couple of folks have mentioned hook-and-eye tape; and I've seen/heard several folks say to alternate hooks and eyes on each side; and most folks say "close together." What about using hook and eye tape and then attaching additional "opposite" fasteners (i.e., hooks on the eye-side, and eyes on the hook-side) between the ones that are already on the tape? Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 14:24:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67IORaC021117 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67INZEs099911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67INUZh087341; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67INP5L087247 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.160]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F14D65EE068 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004601c58320$f2531350$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <070720050328.21966.42CCA16C0002E12D000055CE216046664802019B090207089C0E999C08@att.net><42CCB959.6090501@in-tch.com><000c01c582f3$a1bf2690$6601a8c0@Duncan> <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:23:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Stephen, and all others in London Glad that you are ok and Bella two. Give her a big hug from me. It is terrible................. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, > and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was > supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good > to hear that Teddy is fine > Stevie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ailith Mackintosh" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:58 PM > Subject: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? > > >> Do any of our list members live in London? If so, has anyone heard > from them >> and are they alright? >> >> I've spent the last half hour watching the morning news and am > concerned. >> >> kate >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 15:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67JLMi3021986 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:21:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67JKesw005871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JKX2H032675; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JKQn4032433 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j67JKDOt021106 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:20:13 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:12:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507071800.j67I06AO069085@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: london bombings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO British members: I am so sorry to hear the news about the bombings. It's been on the television and radio all day here. My heart goes out to all of you and your countrymen. Gail Finke in Cincinnati, Ohio _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 16:05:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67K58gK022661 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67K4EeX010162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67JZnHv044799; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67JYvNo044143 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dotsontwo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77518 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2005 19:34:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vwdiwAryOgW+JKu7r7uiXfk9/8pws/kp7L+DigE07M1kUso2DG45c6A2obREbPBMN6xE6W1qzniT/wLqTclZZdPPDG4RMzMe2hf+aaxYqD5zKFy+zn097irIty0uNxsvzciLtYJQRMVzNMZWH31qNuA4mkbFVwwjuAEs7BnuJgA= ; Message-ID: <20050707193452.77516.qmail@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.183.235.191] by web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:34:52 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Dotson Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000c01c582f8$42752180$0e862cd9@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stevie, I'm so glad to hear from you! You and Bella were the first thing I thought of when I heard about the bombs. Continue to take care, and take care of Bella. Pam Dotson STEPHANIE GAMBLE wrote: My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. Good to hear that Teddy is fine Stevie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 16:17:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67KHPWU022881 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67KGtcE011769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67KGqeA076817; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j67KGa8B076570 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN5DMRAR5XGX2 for (sender ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgm1QUR9f4dvxFq/RmZW/0yM= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXB53GKD; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:15:15 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:09:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Message-ID: <20050707.131416.552.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3136527579 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank God she is all right! Very glad our friends over there are ok. Arlys On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:32:01 +0100 "STEPHANIE GAMBLE" writes: > My daughter Bella was caught up in it, had to leave the Tube first, > and then was on a bus when they were all evacuated because there was > supposed to be a bomb on it. She's very, very shaken up, but OK. > Good > to hear that Teddy is fine > Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 18:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67MUcJ2025356 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:30:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67MU6xu025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67MTo6L081012; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67MTlLI080914 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1d6.40069a19 (18403) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:29:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope everybody down south's ok. Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 19:56:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j67NuF7C027047 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j67Nt8cS038943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Nt6ba035090; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com ([66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j67Nt1Qq034966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j681HkWf016603 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:17:50 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:54:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050707095613.02eeaec0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507071954.51150.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 07 July 2005 10:58 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David > Brown Books has notified me that > > "NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way > to us in a surface shipment." Arrrgh. August. Thanks for the information, though; I was beginning to wonder. They originally thought they might have it by the end of June. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 7 22:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j682QQHQ028394 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:26:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j682KaVg048845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j682KVUS007759; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5OHKqbc040361 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F42540E80; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E707437D66; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Authentic SCA X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.100.182] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CvEC3AA6EzQEAAAAK,b1300ca52c83a67c2bb858a7373ae566 Message-Id: <20050624171951.E707437D66@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/956/Fri Jun 24 05:10:27 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:20:30 -0600 Cc: Nicola Boyd , Historic Costume List , Reconstructing History , Schaz Stevens , Natalie Young , Caleb Gibbs , English Civil War Society of Qld , TheCostumersManifesto , The Renaissance Tailor Subject: [h-cost] Corset, for a giggle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Had to share this - it gave me a major case of the giggles :-D http://thedevilspanties.keenspace.com/d/20050623.html Hope you enjoyed! Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 01:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j685tcN7030618 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:55:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j685sfpq063509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j685sacL000621; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j685sY5M000605 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb27.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAB03FBE6 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roar X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CzhUZAAobagEAAAAB,89e294688b25fa7f86370350aca92e49 Message-Id: <20050708055433.ABAB03FBE6@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Regarding Roar - I have some friends and aquaintances who were extras on the series - one of these aquaintances was *obviously* pregnant during filming, and somebody involved in the production asked her, in terms of astonishment, " Did they have babies that way back then? " ( or words to that effect ). Doh! Joannah --- Lady Satine wrote: I loved It its a miniseries I was told by a friend that they are trying to do the same thing with this as they did with Roar a few years ago staring Heath ledger if it goes it may be a ongoing series.. we will see... I liked the garb it looked comfy! _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 02:08:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6867xqW000735 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6867WoC064175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6867VfL005655; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6867QY0005589 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84C5E0000C7 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:07:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <42CE1846.5010102@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:08:06 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: London References: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1d6.40069a19.2fff06c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On behalf of my fellows, many thanks for all your messages of sympathy. They are much appreciated. Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > Hope everybody down south's ok. > > Debbie. > _______________________________________________ Here on the edge of the London region, we're alright. Life goes on as usual - just a different cause for today's traffic jams. A few people have 'lucky escape' stories to tell. It's the usual aftermath of another attempt to terrorise us. You'd think history would tell them it's not worth it. Others have tried a lot harder and not succeeded. Is anyone keeping a record of changes in uniform of the emergency services staff? Future re-enactors might want to know! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 02:41:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j686fRCT011762 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j686eXKQ066399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j686eVA2019200; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j686eRAU019155 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 84025 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2005 06:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2005 06:40:21 -0000 Message-ID: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:40:22 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 05:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j689pRfR025665 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:51:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j689olKp090343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j689oi6H095393; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j689ofAx095368 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb30.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FF0405BB for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CzkxwAAuVMAEAAAAB,d036e564d1507ff4f984275a2d9ee1ce Message-Id: <20050708095040.C6FF0405BB@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A couple of sites I found by googling 'linen care' and ' bleaching yellowed linen'. http://www.srfabrics.com/care/linen.htm http://www.touchofeurope.net/care.html - this site you need to scroll down to the relevant parts. Good luck with whatever you decide to try. Joannah. --- Elizabeth Young wrote: From: Elizabeth Young Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:40:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 06:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68A2lwi029596 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68A2RIZ090798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68A2RVG099832; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68A2NiM099807 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j68A2JXZ011849 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:19 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j68A2Gbf465170 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:02:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708030020.03362aa8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 03:02:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question In-Reply-To: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I think the relationship is that Damask is a fabric produced by the jacquard weaving method. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 07:12:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68BCh8f000816 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68BBSqp094367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BBOkL028321; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BB1u4028143 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.155.5400f047 (25305) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <155.5400f047.2fffb93e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:03:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: I think the relationship is that Damask is a fabric produced by the jacquard weaving method. That is close. Damask and brocade are both elaborately patterned weaves. Damask always has a satin background and is reversible. Brocade can have a satin or twill background and is not reversible. The jacquard attachment, invented in the early 19th century, could be attached to a loom automate such patterns, as it were. The most elaborate patterns can be woven on the simplest loom--it just takes forever! The draw loom, where each thread is controlled individually, enabled patterned weaves, but was still very slow--a "drawboy" would draw up each row of threads according to the pattern for the weaver. The "barrel" loom was another development in patterned weaving--think of a mechanism kind of like the cylinder in a music box. So, jacquard is NOT a weave, nor is it even a loom--it is an attachment that can be installed on a loom. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 07:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68BY2YZ001059 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68BXXe4095738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BXWTP037519; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68BXSTW037432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476CB150061 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21335-02-29 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourajsk2d7kxx (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E512E150074 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03f801c583b0$d744cbe0$c2b6eb40@yourajsk2d7kxx> From: "Dianne and Greg" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42CD3064.1090207@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Everyone in London okay? > I was horrified to read in the news this morning that some damned > terrorist group was setting off bombs in London today, and that there > were casualties. My thoughts and prayers are with anyone dealing with > the effects of that violence.... > Does anyone have a way of contacting Teddy, and seeing if he's okay? I > know he's off-list at the moment.... Teddy posted several times to Live Journal yesterday. He was stuck in London, but unhurt. Dianne > --Sue from Montana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 08:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68CI61s001457 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68CHGAP098613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CHDxH058200; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CH8ZR058156 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j68CHO57002934 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:17:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j68CH6T7204212 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708051527.03328c70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:17:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question In-Reply-To: <155.5400f047.2fffb93e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Damask always has a satin background and is reversible. Brocade can have a >satin or twill background and is not reversible. I thought the difference between Damask and Brocade was that Damask was all one color and Brocade was more than one. But both could be woven by the Jacquard process, involving those punch-cards. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 08:29:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68CTHcY001559 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:29:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68CStIL099263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CSsRt063129; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68CSpeC063068 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.1ec.3e9437dd (4426) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.3e9437dd.2fffcb7b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:28:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2005 8:18:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: thought the difference between Damask and Brocade was that Damask was all one color and Brocade was more than one. And I believe you are right about that--I think that damask is all one color. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 16:49:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68KnUT7007312 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68KmV4v049374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KmLZA014783; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KmHRv014674 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:48:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 433 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 20:48:12.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B359FE0:01C583FE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > However leads me to a question! how does one keep veils on when nothing > ever stays I have tried everything this side of glue and staples to keep > veils on even the folding method. any suggestions???? The secret is pins. I've used two methods 1 - I make a little bunch of hair with rubber bands (they don't slip like elastics made for hair tend to do), one at the front of my head, one at the back, and pin through the elastic to keep the veil in place. It makes a little bump, but it doesn't show too much. 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. I tie it at the back of my head or under my chin, depending if the veil will cover the ties in front or not. When tied at the nape of my neck, I bring the front down lower than my hairline, to make sure it stays. Then I pin the veil to it, making sure I hide everything underneath. The second technique is much more comfortable than anything else I've tried. My hair is short and slippery, so nothing holds to it :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68L1tNm007480 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:01:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68L1J5q050766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L1E2p024144; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.216]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L163k023987 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.93]) by omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:01:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:01:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 21:01:06.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[288E7BA0:01C58400] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > It's a collection of "heirloom" looking sewing tools, including tape > measure, seam ripper, needle case, etc. that comes in both silver and > gold finishes. You might also be interested in what Historic Enterprises (www.historicenterprises.com) have a Sewing kit http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=67&c=38 and a Repair Kit http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=221&c=38 They're very, very nice. Not rated as super historical on their site, but good enough for what I do... One day I'll buy one. Or buy the pieces separately, and eventually build myself one :-) Let's just say I have other priorities for now... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:22:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68LMaSU007724 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68LM7cv052999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LM5qQ039619; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LLw11039378 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683D53C940 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:21:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:22:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied under my chin! I know they're modern, but the only thing I can get to stay on my head for any length of time are those Chinese hair nets with the elastic in them, and even those I have to pin down! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 17:28:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68LSeX5007799 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68LSFWh053742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LSCtw043923; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68LS3IU043831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j68LOA0R014588 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:24:10 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:28:02 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: >> 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. > > I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap > doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the > little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied > under my chin! Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter might stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger weave linen, for example. cv -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen...." -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 18:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j68MPcZD008495 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j68MP6iu059078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68MOu7O081074; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68MOlTs080922 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:24:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:25:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 22:24:41.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5F18890:01C5840B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Dawn wrote: > >>> 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. >> >> I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap doesn't >> stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the little >> bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's tied under my >> chin! > > Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with > three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter might > stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger weave > linen, for example. > > cv If it's any help, I used Margo's patterns to make mine, and it's the three-piece kind. I think the front edge is all on the grain so it doesn't stretch at all. As I said, I usually wear it low in front (a good 1/2 inch below my hairline) and tie it at the nape of my neck. So it actually holds to skin, not hair, in front. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 22:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j692QfZZ010961 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j692PqBD079316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j692PkTD003305; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j692PgFZ003255 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBN8PNLAN68PLS for (sender ); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrMs65Kb49XqV3oEAq6aXXQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KXFDLARM; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:24:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:23:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils Message-ID: <20050708.192342.1400.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,9-10,16-47 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2963014916 X-MAIL-INFO: 2dea8b5f8b1ea38e1ea3270fa32777dfbe97db57da639773abb3dac3730a5b3a736a4f4aea2bea6bae2717a3ea0f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know when your persona is, but you might try looking into a medieval linen coif. They were a very popular item for both genders. I cheated a bit on mine. It's got a cotton shell, and a flannel lining. Warm when you want warm. In hot weather, you can get it soaking wet, wring it out, and you'll stay comfortable for hours--the shell dries quickly, but the cotton doesn't. The same friend who made this one to my specs is making another one for me of linen--both layers. Back to veils--I hate underpinnings for veils. I don't use any. My circlet is lined with leather strapping with bias tape over that, so it has lots of tooth and doesn't let the veil slide into the sunset. I recently made a cross stitched headband, using canvas as the ground fabric, and folded the edges to the back and stitched them down. Again, the back has plenty of tooth and won't let the veil drop. Arlys On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:22:06 -0500 Dawn writes: > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > 2 - I wear a white cap under the veil. > > I've tried this method, and the issue I have is that even the cap > doesn't stay. I can be sitting still and within about 10 minutes the > > little bugger slides right off the back of my head, even if it's > tied > under my chin! > > I know they're modern, but the only thing I can get to stay on my > head > for any length of time are those Chinese hair nets with the elastic > in > them, and even those I have to pin down! > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 8 23:36:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j693aQgE011697 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j693ZfHN085508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j693ZZKN036672; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j693ZTVF036632 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j693ZQXZ026677 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:35:26 -0400 Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j693ZQHx026574 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050708203122.02639a18@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:32:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: References: <200507051800.j65I05Nj091455@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050705233022.02752ec0@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >You might also be interested in what Historic Enterprises >(www.historicenterprises.com) have >a Sewing kit >http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=67&c=38 >and a Repair Kit >http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=221&c=38 >They're very, very nice. Not rated as super historical on their site, but >good enough for what I do... One day I'll buy one. Or buy the pieces >separately, and eventually build myself one :-) You'll save a ton of money buying the parts separately, elsewhere, and building one yourself. You can do better than their box too. 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It is already on its way >to us in a surface shipment." > >Beth For those of us scratching our heads... what is NESAT 7?? 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Joannah. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BojmV018993 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BoNHp019367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BoNJj025823; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6883WuZ051654 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6883Mx22872.; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:03:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:03:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:03:12 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] hanging a hanging Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j69BojmV018993 Status: RO A row of loops or rings round a horizontal pole? I've seen modern tapestries hung that way. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> jtknits@jtknits.cts.com 07/07/2005 17:22 >>> This may be a bit off topic since it's not clothing...but it is historic. A friend is trying to research how wall hangings were actually hung. I suggested she get in touch with some English museums but then remembered there are many UK folks here. How did they keep those gorgeous tapestries on the castle walls? Thanks Julie in San Diego _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Boo8B018996 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BoRsr019410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BoRqQ025876; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6898450077651 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:06:06 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <42CE1FD6.1070609@fenris.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-index: AcWDiHt1x545wQSrRVefps3h+f1kzgAE5O6A Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 09:06:06.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[46530570:01C5839C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/971/Thu Jul 7 04:08:01 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I had the old way work for me on a yellowed spot on a dishtowel- I got it soaking wet- just tap water, wrung it out then hung in the sun to dry.. my towel was hung on a concrete pillar of a building, but I'm sure a windowsill or shrub would be much more period. Hope this helps, worth a try anyway (course you may have to re-iron..darn.) Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question What is the difference between damask and jacquard? I ask because I just finished ironing a huge pile of napkins and 4 large tablecloths that were originally my grandmothers'. So they could be as old as early 20th century (one looks very art deco to me) to probably the 50s or 60s. Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on some of the pieces? I believe they are all linen: iron like linen, wrinkle like linen, wash like linen. It won't kill me to toss the yellowed pieces, but I'd like to try cleaning them anyway. I have washed them in hot water with regular laundry detergent and some liquid bleach. No difference. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:56:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BuZGM019077 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:56:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69Bu9kE021997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69Bu8BD028968; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com (omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.249.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68KJcp8094653 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.91]) by omc2-s17.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:19:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:19:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:20:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 20:19:32.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A2CB830:01C583FA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something made especially for slashing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:57:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Bv9QQ019088 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BulKI022134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BulQr029247; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6905uZu036363 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF523C85C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:05:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42CF14EF.1060200@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:06:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] veils References: <20050704141356.18243.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <42CEEE7E.5020906@reddawn.net> <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <42CEEFE2.8080308@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Do you have the "made from a square" early sort, or the later one with > three pieces, which narrows down a bit toward the face? The latter > might stay better. Also using a rougher fabric might help -- a larger > weave linen, for example. It's made from a rectangle, the seam is across the top and the back has been gathered to fit the curve of my head. It was actually a mock-up, but it came out well enough I never made one in linen. I guess it's time to do that. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 07:57:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69BvDcA019091 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:57:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69BucO0022048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69BucXC029135; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j68L5eJO027398 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:05:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050707193452.77516.qmail@web32608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:06:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 21:05:33.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7CAA4A0:01C58400] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/973/Fri Jul 8 11:11:29 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to know everybody is okay. I was in France, trying to get back to Canada. The planes were all late because they were triple-checking passports and doubling security checks. I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused tragedies were behind us. It's very disquieting for me to see things like this starting to happen again... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 08:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69CDHnR019409 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69CCiSo026702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69CChml035686; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69CCdlm035665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j69C8i0R022023 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:08:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42CFBF34.6000207@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:12:36 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hanging a hanging References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > A row of loops or rings round a horizontal pole? I've seen modern tapestries hung that way. The images I've seen would be consistent with nails or hooks in the walls, and metal rings sewn on the backs of the tapestries. Or possibly nails straght through the fabric. Here's some examples: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/january.jpg http://www.godecookery.com/afeast/feasts/fea005.html http://www.godecookery.com/afeast/feasts/fea026.html -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pr? Argent In the 1960s I was taught that Werner von Braun and the other Germans admitted to the United States had been Nazis in name only and had not perpetrated war crimes. This is a lie generated by our government. -- M.G. Lord in _Astro_Turf_ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 09:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69DBsQI020607 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:11:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69DB38a030637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69DB1GE057904; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j69DAwnp057844 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005070909105221608 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:10:52 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j69DAn3E027861 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e701c58487$ae7790d0$51a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706003516.0355f5c8@64.87.54.245> <6.2.1.2.0.20050706204654.034e8e18@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:11:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On my monitor, the codpiece looks like it has a stripe of black velvet about an inch or two wide running down the front of it with a shiny black button (?) right in the middle---constructed like the sides are red and the center front is black. What would the black "button" be? Or am I seeing things? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portrait of a Soldier > At 11:49 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: >>Belt clasp for the sword belt. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>(snip) >> I also wonder what the shiny thing >>above the codpiece is as well. > > > That's an interesting style for a belt clasp. Thanks. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 10:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69E4kbm022041 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:04:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69E4ICi034026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69E4I3b081907; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69E4EPV081834 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.178]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050709140358.RHDZ13979.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:03:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 In-Reply-To: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> References: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. For a list of the first 7: http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a copy of the flyer. Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE and ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. Beth At 06:50 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:04:54 -0700 >From: Kimiko Small >Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050707230434.03537418@64.87.54.245> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >At 07:58 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote: > >For those of us in the US that are awaiting delivery of NESAT 7, David > >Brown Books has notified me that > > > >"NESAT 7 will be arriving here in early August. It is already on its way > >to us in a surface shipment." > > > >Beth > > >For those of us scratching our heads... what is NESAT 7?? > >Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 13:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69H7hVr023980 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69H6jFX045562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69H6g4w060681; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j69H6dih060627 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 44318 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2005 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2005 17:06:33 -0000 Message-ID: <42D0041B.3000804@fenris.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:06:35 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! everyone for defination and the sites and the tips. I will put it all to good use. liz young Betsy Marshal wrote: > Actually, I had the old way work for me on a yellowed spot on a dishtowel- I > got it soaking wet- just tap water, wrung it out then hung in the sun to > dry.. my towel was hung on a concrete pillar of a building, but I'm sure a > windowsill or shrub would be much more period. > Hope this helps, worth a try anyway (course you may have to re-iron..darn.) > Betsy > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Elizabeth Young > Subject: [h-cost] a tiny bit OT, fabric structure question > > What is the difference between damask and jacquard? > Also, any preferred cleaning method to lighten the yellowed areas on > some of the pieces? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 15:52:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69Jq92w026062 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69JpT4d055178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69JpQkG030988; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69JpLYi030874 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.1a2.373c0c0a (18555) for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:51:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5118 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband bought me the Historic Enterprises sewing kit for Christmas a few years ago. The box is attractive, but you need a cotter (sp?) pin to keep it closed. I couldn't get the scissors to even cut thread. They told me at Pennsic when I went to exchange them that you "had to hold them a certain way" that I never got the hang of. Fortunately they finally accepted them in exchange. The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several of those and keep them in the various places I sew. Theirs is the most comfortable one that I've found. My brain reads wearing a modern thimble as though there's an injury to that finger, so it shouldn't be used. The ring thimble is the first one I've ever managed to use on a regular basis. Nancy Stengel Ulmer (Maddalena Salutati) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 16:04:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69K4CPu026224 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69K3jZR055829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69K3i5M035597; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69K3fGh035567 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04031 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:23:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:23:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several > of those and keep them in the various places I sew. Theirs is the > most comfortable one that I've found. My brain reads wearing a modern > thimble as though there's an injury to that finger, so it shouldn't be > used. The ring thimble is the first one I've ever managed to use on a > regular basis. I love my ring thimble. Mine was from a company called Westair; there's a UK phone number on the box if anyone wants. I forget which website I found it on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 17:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69LT9Xr027242 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69LSEGV060767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69LS8Ts070208; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69LS5cR070179 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.157] (pm5-157.eos.net [205.133.149.157]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j69LS0Ot009260 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:28:01 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:19:47 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200507091800.j69I0CrY084010@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: veils X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's what I do to get veils to stay in place. I have a little square white cloth which I fold in half to make a sort of kerchief. On the corners, I sewed white ties. This looks like the kind of little fashionable scarves or kerchiefs teen girls wear. I suppose you could use one of those, but they're generally bright and patterned. I put the folded edge of this kerchief over my forehead. Then I pull the ties back behind my neck, cross them, and tie them either at the back of my neck (if the veil is sheer) or on the top of my head (if I'm wearing a hat that needs anchoring). The kerchief is just big enough that the back point comes to the nape of my neck, and that gets tucked into the cords/ties. I hope that makes sense. I got this idea from the Elizabethan forehead cloth. It works for me because I have very short hair and it keeps the bangs hidden, it is a nice anchor for a coronet or circlet, and it is something for the veil pins to stick to. And also, it's a lot easier to make than a cap. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 19:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j69NHE94028445 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j69NFiPq067213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69NFgW2012223; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j69NFIuP012069 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j69NFafM019551 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:15:36 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.49.118] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-118.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.118]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j69NFBRQ489594 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:15:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050709161206.033fd208@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 16:14:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Items of possible interest In-Reply-To: References: <1a2.373c0c0a.300184b0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86/974/Fri Jul 8 15:09:18 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > The best thing in the box is the ring thimble. I have bought several > > of those and keep them in the various places I sew. > >I love my ring thimble. Mine was from a company called Westair; there's a >UK phone number on the box if anyone wants. I forget which website I found >it on. I buy mine at a Japanese store that carries needlework supplies for things like Bunka. Ring thimbles are for people with fingernails, or who otherwise can't feel the fabric thru a regular thimble. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 21:56:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A1uBku030586 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A1taHo077034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A1tWG6071559; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53203.mail.yahoo.com (web53203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6A1tTEg071520 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72823 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2005 01:55:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LbBEOi68xgJpxsO+SXemNmHInrDVzg879Oxd8cfQCSjiNcV5i0jZbIyFm6a18aamIak4MrsQoi2w10uaeRyJLYxKnRgaSaiOhJI/egwT0xpSXQ04EWj03pblAYSvIlPxa6bu0tTHadsVyUQp2aD+6dx4xSwWLiyrDmgL+cwsZzE= ; Message-ID: <20050710015523.72821.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.249] by web53203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:55:23 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: veils To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I take about a yard of a fine white cotton cloth, about a foot wide. I fold it on the diagonal, place the middle about half way down my forehead, twist the two ends and then wrap them around the back of my head (at the nape of the neck) and around to the front and tuck them in. The fabric on top of the head tucks into the twisted wrap in the back so that the whole head is covered. This creates a bulkier headwrap than others have described, but not out of period as I've seen similar things in paintings. Another way is to take the two twisted ends, cross them in the back, twist them more and make a figure eight at the nape of my neck and tuck in the eges. This creates a smooth front and top, while the knot in the back is hidden by the veil. Veils and wimples pin to it very easily. I have short, very fine and slippery hair and this works very well. I actually wear this heapwrap by itself quite a bit, unless I'm being formal.... Gytha Gail & Scott Finke wrote: Here's what I do to get veils to stay in place. I have a little square white cloth which I fold in half to make a sort of kerchief. On the corners, I sewed white ties. This looks like the kind of little fashionable scarves or kerchiefs teen girls wear. I suppose you could use one of those, but they're generally bright and patterned. I put the folded edge of this kerchief over my forehead. Then I pull the ties back behind my neck, cross them, and tie them either at the back of my neck (if the veil is sheer) or on the top of my head (if I'm wearing a hat that needs anchoring). The kerchief is just big enough that the back point comes to the nape of my neck, and that gets tucked into the cords/ties. I hope that makes sense. I got this idea from the Elizabethan forehead cloth. It works for me because I have very short hair and it keeps the bangs hidden, it is a nice anchor for a coronet or circlet, and it is something for the veil pins to stick to. And also, it's a lot easier to make than a cap. 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Bid on great items. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 9 23:19:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A3J1gu031517 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:19:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A3IP8K082674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A3IFsD005562; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A3ICoO005519 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.52] (helo=boris) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DrSKZ-0004UW-OV for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:18:12 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hQneIa+TWaWCz5sJnUf65AATW7AdsAi08PIYs9o8ybaj+5c0QTRhVcatCDNQ9q9m; Message-ID: <010301c584fe$200ab760$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:19:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd482b6d81dfc10bb8d9ff359b249349aff6a26b888b88ba812a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.52 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not sure what she used, but I used a 1/2" woodworking chisel, well sharpened.. Melusine >> Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > > What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something > made especially for slashing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 00:03:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A43bgO031781 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6A43EqG085522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A43DG0022265; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A439PV022235 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tyghra_@fastmail.fm) Received: from web4.messagingengine.com (web4.internal [10.202.2.213]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49A7CBC583 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by web4.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id E143E6AD0; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1120968188.7040.238120303@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: v2/FaV6yewMpbM5HpP0IRyYIp7uI+oxntpO+SPimpO7D 1120968188 From: "Tyghra na Tintagel" To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.001; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) In-Reply-To: <200507091804.j69I0Cra084010@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:08 +1000 References: <200507091804.j69I0Cra084010@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 444 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for clearing that up Beth! I was also wondering what Nesat stood for. Can someone please tell me whether they are published in English, German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but have friend who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). Thanks in advance, Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) Sydney, Australia > The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the > Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. > > For a list of the first 7: > http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ > > NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and > I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a > copy of the flyer. > > Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. > All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE > and ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. > I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. > > Beth -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 06:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AAKowo015730 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AAJNof020576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAJHxk050703; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (216.200.145.15.everyone.net [216.200.145.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAJBRj050675 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from mailweb26.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787C3FC15 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C0PYfAARpMAEAAAAB,db77e06cd1badeef2a6a7ba16a06b37a Message-Id: <20050710101911.5787C3FC15@omta06.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was talking with one of my housemates, who told me that a friend of his had a time line up on his bedroom wall, with ALL of the battles since the beginning of recorded history on it. In 5000 odd years of recorded history, there was about a *total* of about 3 years in which there was not warfare of some sort occurring somewhere. Unfortunately, it seems that war is inherent in human nature. I don't remember a time when there hasn't been some sort of strife going on somewhere ( my earliest memories of being aware of war date from about 1973, when I became aware of news reports on TV ). Joannah. --- "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" wrote: I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused tragedies were behind us. It's very disquieting for me to see things like this starting to happen again... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 06:54:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AAscWl015926 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AAs7UF021945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AAs6rn061980; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6AAs25C061913 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86109 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2005 10:53:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N84HHNg7DorZrbpRr2VrdR9d15t+G9SI4TjhigOa4ug3w9aFabgPwm04XZM0NWX2xZ6cN5syxpuM0eeIdTFRfQBKzkA1DqmlVgGnJpkArL9MaO3NJk5ikJSjTLNGZQuvH77h5a1O0hayzLKiFPw11YpNMKFHTJOonKBT9p8+CE0= ; Message-ID: <20050710105357.86107.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.137.10] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:53:57 BST Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:53:57 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050710101911.5787C3FC15@omta06.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new thread - continuing strife in the World - was "folks in London ok??" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO COMMENT a whole world "always completely at peace" is a centuries-old dream, to which most of the Human Race has probably subscribed at one time or another. Hence it is very germane to our "living-history" interests as it enables us to more-easily understand the reasons for historical conflicts, and the way in which this shaped the historic civilisations we study. However, as long as Humanity occasionally produces abberrant "human wolves" who "prey" on the rest of us - ["the Sheep"]; - for racial survival, the Human Race has always needed - and will continue to need - to study and practise the Arts of War, in order to protect "the Sheep". As long as there is no effective, swift, and supra-National means of dealing with these "human wolves"** before their aberrant actions create major problems for the remainder of Humanity - ** i.e. - [1] Tyrants, Dictators, or outright Criminals who 'hi-jack' their own Nations' political Processes to obtain ultimate political power - which they then pervert for their own twisted- &/ -criminal purposes. Or [2] political/religious extremist fanatics who are prepared to use terrorism to get their hands on the levers of political, social, or religious control over the rest of their populations; - so long shall the Human Race have a need to train in- and to practise the Arts of War to protect the rest of us - who, for whatever reasons - personal inclination, religious, or political reasons - cannot, do not, or are unable to - take up arms in our own defence. I suspect this situation will continue until political processes world-wdie develop to the point where policiains can be held individually-&-personally, Civilly/Politically/ criminally- responsible, life-long, for their actions while in Office. It is a sad comment on the United Nations at the moment that of the near-200 Nation-States represented there, - less than 40 have governments that could be described as truly democratic. This is - and I suspect - will remain - a recipe for potential conflict and probable innocent deaths numbered in the 1000's, if not in the millions. Julian Wilson, Military & Political Historian, in "olde" Jersey. Joannah Hansen wrote: I was talking with one of my housemates, who told me that a friend of his had a time line up on his bedroom wall, with ALL of the battles since the beginning of recorded history on it. In 5000 odd years of recorded history, there was about a *total* of about 3 years in which there was not warfare of some sort occurring somewhere. Unfortunately, it seems that war is inherent in human nature. I don't remember a time when there hasn't been some sort of strife going on somewhere ( my earliest memories of being aware of war date from about 1973, when I became aware of news reports on TV ). --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:06:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AB6WlH015994 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:06:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AB623J022636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AB61xa065877; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AB5tqc065848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-215-75-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.75]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6AB5rti014596 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:05:53 +1000 Message-ID: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:04:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep pile velvet or cotton velveteen) So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:34:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABYR2u016099 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABXpxo025040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABXnDI079096; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6ABXjBv079076 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22488); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:33:45 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:33:42 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050710042523.0308f6a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:31:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't >actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to >charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny >it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon >Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep >pile velvet or cotton velveteen) >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? >Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? >I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to >Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from >doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century >fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") >thanks >Elizabeth >-------------------------------------------- >Elizabeth Walpole >Canberra Australia >ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ Given that rayon velvet is generally very difficult to sew (watch it slither away from you) and that it does not have the right hand or drape for pre-20th century clothing, I'd say "Thank you very much for thinking of me, but ..." and send it off to charity. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:36:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABasRi016108 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABaSSm025199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABaSJ6080040; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay05.mail2web.com (xrelay05.mail2web.com [168.144.1.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABaOU5079996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.202] (helo=M2W090.mail2web.com) by xrelay05.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dra6Y-00062N-RW for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:36:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6ABaOU5079996 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep pile velvet or cotton velveteen) So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") I have used rayon velvet for Tudor with no problems - you just need to pin it and pin it and pin it. Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change that. Suzi in London -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 07:43:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ABh9cp016131 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ABgpmR025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABgo0r082110; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay01.mail2web.com (xrelay01.mail2web.com [168.144.1.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ABglal082060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.203] (helo=M2W091.mail2web.com) by xrelay01.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DraCj-0006QD-Up for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220057010114237982@M2W091.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6ABglal082060 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't >actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to >charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny >it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon >Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep >pile velvet or cotton velveteen) >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? >Also if I were to take it what sort of era would suit 8m of Rayon velvet? >I'm primarily interested in Tudor (my first thought was something like >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary5.jpg or a loose gown like this >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Mary09.jpg) but I'm also open to >Elizabethan, 18th or 19th century ideas (there's nothing preventing me from >doing 17th century except that I haven't yet come across a 17th century >fashion that really grabs me and says "wear me!") >thanks >Elizabeth Given that rayon velvet is generally very difficult to sew (watch it slither away from you) and that it does not have the right hand or drape for pre-20th century clothing, I'd say "Thank you very much for thinking of me, but ..." and send it off to charity. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net Why do you say that? I find it works perfectly well for any period, providing you use the right patterns. I prefer cotton velvet - there is no cotton velveteen anywhere in England that I can find - but if my customers are not well off, rayon velvet sometimes has to do. You can see several examples of it in wear on my web site - The Henry Vlll and Anne Boleyn figures are both wearing rayon velvet, as are the "Ramirez" characters - both I seem to remember. Suzi (www.suziclarke.co.uk) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AC0lmM016246 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AC0R0S026384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC0QvJ088476; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC0Lrg088396 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJE005RMUOGZFG1@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.63]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:00:16 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: NESAT Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 444 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <2c563e2c9247.2c92472c563e@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't looked any any but - as far as I remember the different articles are written in the language of the writer's home country. So a particular NESAT might have articles written in: English, German, Swedish, Danish, French, German, Polish, etc With no translation of any particular article for the non-native speaker. Katheryne who is still trying to get up the money for NESAT 5 - and then find the time to translate it..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyghra na Tintagel > Can someone please tell me whether they are published > in English, German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but > have friend who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). > Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) > Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:08:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AC8ZMR016304 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:08:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AC85P3026790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC84uG091212; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AC80ML091143 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.26]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050710120754.FFAG1636.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:07:54 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050710070358.02b76540@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:07:44 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200507101142.j6ABgqxV082127@net.indra.com> References: <200507101142.j6ABgqxV082127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NESAT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The language of the papers vary in each NESAT volume. Most papers are in English or German, though I can think of one in Spanish. Beth At 06:42 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:08 +1000 >From: "Tyghra na Tintagel" > >Thanks for clearing that up Beth! I was also wondering what Nesat stood >for. Can someone please tell me whether they are published in English, >German or both? (Hoping for a good semblance of English but have friend >who can translate German if pushed and shoved a little). > >Thanks in advance, >Lynette Hobcroft (ska Tyghra) >Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 08:29:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ACTpn3016389 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ACTRLF027888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ACTQGt098912; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ACTMYo098837 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050710122916.MLDL15145.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:16 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.201.36]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050710122915.GBYO4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:15 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.11]); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:20 +1200 Message-ID: <004701c5854a$ff2f9630$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:29:19 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we haven't > actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going to > charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how shiny > it is would that change when I washed it? (I have never worked with Rayon > Velvet as you don't see it in the shops here mostly it's poly/acetate deep > pile velvet or cotton velveteen) It shouldn't change too much. Is this the chiffon velvet often labeled as silk velvet, but actually has a rayon pile? Or does it have a heavier base? > So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better > off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? Take it! Velvet through the ages as far as I can tell varies as much as it varies now. From close photos of several items I know I've spotted different pile depths, thicknesses of the pile and sheen. And there are some very glossy velvets out there. Especially of the 19thC. Some really OTT velvet travelling suits made of the shiniest velvet seen;) Also very shiny plush. There was a travelling outfit on ebay not long ago... but I'm not sure if it is still up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48864&item=8303219926&rd=1 That's one still up anyway. http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/terry2/iteml/5821#pic1 This is one in particular I was thinking about. True the flash probably affected the aparent sheen, but compared to man made fibre shine in flash it's not too far off. Except in many poly velvets you wind up seeing the ground through the pile. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48864&item=8315843543&rd=1 Maybe someone has a different date on it, but that is some very glossy plush. (first photo sans flash) If it is chiffon velvet, just flat line it with some cotton to stabilise it for a heavier feel. I did that with my velveteen for my Elizabeth de Valois gown, and it makes a huge difference. In this way I'd think the Victoriam is going to be the better way though as there was at least one very large piece of velveteen in my Valois skirt which I think wouldn't work with the chiffon velvet. With the Victorian you have the option of puffing and otherwise catching the two layers of fabric together. But I also think one could do a row of hand tacking stitched to keep the two frabrics together. I did that with the wool interlining of my dress based on Mary of Hungary's gown. michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 9/07/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 10:16:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AEGtmt016992 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AEGBI4033930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEG6jT039225; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEG2DG039186 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11675 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:35:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:35:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NESAT In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050710070358.02b76540@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > The language of the papers vary in each NESAT volume. Most papers are in > English or German, though I can think of one in Spanish. I don't have the book myself, but I have a bibliographical listing on hand that says there are 24 papers in NESAT 7, five of them in German and the rest in English. You can usually get a good sense of the languages by looking at the table of contents in a volume. Someone posted a listing earlier, but this one might be easier: http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/nesatlist.html It covers NESATs 1-6. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 10:31:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AEVn8c017114 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AEUjl6034751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEUV3w044595; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEUR2j044546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Drcow-0003lq-5b for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:15 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:13 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:30:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Subject: Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:20:17 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> <010301c584fe$200ab760$0400a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gWuX76FLCQePddhyXXf+ZSe2i+0= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Carmen Beaudry" writes: > > I'm not sure what she used, but I used a 1/2" woodworking chisel, well > sharpened.. What _he_ used, actually:-) -- Robert Uhl Phnglui mgwlnafth Cthulhu rlyey wghnagl fthagn. In his flat in Bromley, drunk Cthulhu waits knitting? I think a few subtle typos may have crept into that one. That explains why this shoggoth I summoned is only 3mm tall. --Peter da Silva and Peter Gutmann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 13:57:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6AHva8L019644 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6AHuxT9049391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AHutO9052712; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j6AHuqb4052685 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30333 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 17:56:23 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:23 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1586.67.188.164.116.1121018212.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > A friend is offering me 8m (the 8m is based on her recollection, we > haven't > actually measured it) of Rayon velvet as a gift, or otherwise it's going > to > charity, it's a nice dark tan colour but I'm a little concerned by how > shiny > it is would that change when I washed it? I had some rayon velvet one time that I used to wrap gifts to give to people at costume events. Instead of wrapping paper, I used velvet. Add some ribbon and you have a beautiful gift on the inside AND outside ;~> Or you could make wall hangings or curtains out of it.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 19:37:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6ANbNcB025078 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6ANajij003298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ANaedq099009; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6ANacXw098928 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C653C701 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42D1B12C.6060604@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:37:16 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] does anyone have these books? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PANTS: A History Afoot By Laurence Benaim HOW THE WEST WAS WORN By H. George-Warren & M. Freedman Has anyone here seen, read, or bought either of these books? I'm looking for comments or reviews before I mail-order. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 10 23:59:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B3xiF6028734 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B3xEJD027848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B3xAwR003373; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B3x4u3003326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B5M2j2029895 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:22:07 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 7 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:58:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200507091150.j69BoXmD025960@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050709083838.02a0cb90@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507102358.48351.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 09 July 2005 10:03 am, you wrote: > The NESAT series are the published proceedings for the conferences of the > Northern European Society for Archaeological Textiles. > > For a list of the first 7: > http://home.arcor.de/dieter.kadereit/NESAT/ > > NESAT 8 is also out. My copy was shipped (from Poland) two months ago and > I'm expecting (hoping for) it any day now. Contact me if you would like a > copy of the flyer. Two months! Well, I won't get mine for a few weeks, then--mine was shipped only about 6 weeks ago. Thanks for the information. > > Copies of NESAT 4 and 5 are listed as still available via Oxbow and DBBC. bn.com also claims to have a used copy of NESAT 4 for $89.91, more than Oxbow/DBBC's price. > All others are out of print, though a copy of NESAT 2 was listed by ABE and > ILAB from Kirkegaards Antikvariat (Denmark). This is where I got my copy. Those listings are still up. > I'm still looking for NESAT 1, 3 and 6. NESAT 3 shows up in used book listings every once in a great while. I last saw a copy a year or so ago. Still wish I could have afforded it then. I bought NESAT 6 when it first came out, but you're right that it doesn't seem to be available any longer even through used book channels. I have never seen NESAT 1 advertised for sale anywhere and I've been looking for the NESATs for over 5 years now. -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 00:17:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B4HDYO028945 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B4FeHk029163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Fco9010355; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4FZq9010334 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DE351EB1 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050710210234.035e61e8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:07:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> References: <380-220057010113614822@M2W090.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:36 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and >the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the >point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change >that. > >Suzi in London I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? To allow me to clean it at home, with gentle detergent and rinse, and then hang to dry. Otherwise, my costumes would cost a fortune to keep dry cleaned, not to mention all the trims I would have to remove first as dry cleaners here mangle or melt them. Not to mention that some of the velvets I have purchased have the nastiest hand before wash (all the treatments), and soften up nicely after wash. Then again, I don't buy rayon velvets as our groups locally consider them too shiny for "ren faire use" (we do Henry VIII to Elizabethan). But for other costuming things, I wouldn't mind... but I'd rather get the silk/rayon just cause it drapes better. And yes, I would gently pre-wash those as well. Kimiko in Fresno, CA, USA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 00:17:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B4HdHl028954 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:17:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B4FeoE029161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Fc5J010356; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B4Faoj010340 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126DC51F2B for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050710210936.035e60a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:15:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? In-Reply-To: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> References: <001901c5853f$24bc9620$4bd7f5dc@e9q5h8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:04 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >So, in short would it be worth my while to take it? or would it be better >off going to charity where somebody else will make something modern from it? A few questions to help you decide: Are you involved in a group activity where the group is fine with rayon velvet use in the costumes? If not involved, are you ok with using rayon velvet for one project or several? Are you willing to do a lot of hand basting (better than lots of pins) in order to control the "velvet creep" while machine sewing? Do you have a garment in mind when you look at the fabric, that does scream "make me!!!"? Do you have space for the 8m of fabric? If your answers are yes to any or most of the above, then by all means, accept the gift. If no is the common answer, then decline, and let the person give to charity. Personally, I would accept it, and if after a year I hadn't found a suitable use, then I would give to a charity, perhaps in the name of the original donor. But the decision is yours. Have fun if you do! Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 01:03:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B53T2L029315 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B52ulD032472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B52sWB027658; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B52pCb027622 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc6s3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.27.131] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DrqRO-0000Un-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <42D1FD66.3090907@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:02:30 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bologna, Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll be in Bologna, Italy, the afternoon of July 29th. Any "must sees", especially textile-related? TIA, --Charlene -- America is addicted to wars of distraction. -- Barbara Ehrenreich _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 04:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B89uQk001162 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:09:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B87HOT050920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B861s2097484; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B85ucI097419 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j6B85mU04248.; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:48 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:05:33 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] folks in London ok?? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j6B89uQk001162 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> audreybmorin2@hotmail.com 08/07/2005 22:06 >>>wrote > I grew up in the 80s, when nothing seemed to be happening >worldwide - as if all the great wars and human-caused >tragedies were behind us. Oh yes it was; here in Britain we were having to be wary of suspect packages because of the risk of IRA bombs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 05:09:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6B991BO014870 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6B98Vfn062191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B98S18019220; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B98OqB019195 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6B8plwK022123 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050711040549.00b737b8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:07:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: pinking & chisels was Re: ???? Re: [h-cost] h-costume added to Gmane In-Reply-To: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:20 PM 7/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > >What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or something >made especially for slashing? I use both a pinking chisel like these: http://www.greenmanforge.com/ Or a buttonhole chisel like this one: http://www.bernina.co.uk/shop/General.htm or http://sewing-machine-parts-store.com/ButtonCut.asp Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCgCFp001898 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:42:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCfVOs075523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCfR9p002721; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AEKFGD040903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Drcf2-0002qm-Nz for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 Received: from 66.7.170.6 ([66.7.170.6]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 Received: from eadmund42 by 66.7.170.6 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:20:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Robert Uhl Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:19:33 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <420e3e4420c920.420c920420e3e4@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.7.170.6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:azb80ZlhZE9ASymUhP6/kKLlkmc= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slashing [was: h-costume added to Gmane] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" writes: > > > Slashing with a 5/8" chisel worked very well-- > > What did you use? A woodworking chisel, or a pinking chisel, or > something made especially for slashing? I ended up buying a woodworking chisel & rubber mallet from Lowe's. The only pinking tools I could find were from Green Man Forge, and the guy who makes them didn't reply to my email until after I'd already gotten my tools. As it turns out, the chisel & mallet work very well: the chisel is shaped to be comfortable in the hand, and the length means that I can set a piece of scrap wood in my lap and cut the design into the fabric bit-by-bit. Only thing to be careful of is hitting too hard and splitting the wood, sending a sharp chisel shooting into one's thigh. This is pretty easy to prevent. I forget if I mentioned this or not, but getting a long slash by putting one right after the other works, although it does tend to have a little jag where they meet--once the slash is properly fulled (by washing & tumble drying), this shouldn't be a problem. But if using a fabric which cannot be washed, this might be an issue. -- Robert Uhl Homines est! Dici omnes! Soylens viridis HOMINES EST! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:43:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BChWuu001917 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCh7h2075702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCh6fa003510; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AHJGuE035845 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r3.4.) id 6.210.46ac010 (16781) for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <210.46ac010.3002b28b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:19:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/10/2005 7:43:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I prefer cotton velvet - there is no cotton velveteen anywhere in England that I can find - but if my customers are not well off, rayon velvet sometimes has to do. Granted I don't do Tudor period, but here is my opinion on velvet. I think rayon velvet actually simulates silk velvet better than cotton does because rayon is a filament fiber and cotton is staple--silk is also a filament fiber. It is true, though, that many cotton velvets have a good heavy weight and rayon velvet can be pretty thin and slippery. And it can be difficult to sew, but this can be overcome with patience. If it were offered to me, I would probably take it. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:44:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCi4O5001928 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BChcRL075789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BChc8V003844; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6AJhMD3098181 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bee4.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.228]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 038EA5EE042 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:43:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I got two books from Sweden some time ago. One is a book about Sophia Magdalenas weddingdress, wich is a french court dress with a huge pannier. It is in Swedish, dont know if they have translated it. Livrustkammaren is the museum in the world that has 4 complete french court dresses, and i knew the 3 of them, but this book shows also the 4th. wich is a weddingdress used for Gustav III's younger brother's bride. Then i wondered if any of you 17th century folks know how rich and wonderfull the book Fashion Lions is? It is packed with costumes from the northern part of Europe, included some of the danish costumes. Never have i seen a finer scandinavian book, it is to be compared to the large book i also have from Colonial Williamsburg, dont remember the name pressent, sorry. We have a heat wawe in Denmark right now, wich makes me gloomy because my fingers gets oily all the time, and i cant touch the embroidery on the chenille dress, but i have started a small factory of ladies purses, intends to sell them on ebay. They are quick to make, i can make one each day- well the embroidery that is.................. Glad that our english members are safe and well, but i hope that the terror is gone again. I am so frightened because we are expecting actions here soon, and i go by the tube tomorrow to work. Luckily the police has taken patrols on the stations all the time....................... Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:44:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCiJeO001936 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCi0sE075997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCi0TP004240; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay02.mail2web.com (xrelay02.mail2web.com [168.144.1.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6B7FHQj079766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.138] (helo=M2W033.mail2web.com) by xrelay02.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DrsVS-00023l-Mo for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005711171510820@M2W033.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] rayon velvet any use? X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j6B7FHQj079766 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:36 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: >Why do you want to wash it? I never, ever wash velvet, (of any kind) and >the suppliers here in England are horrifeid at the thought. I don't see the >point of buying a fabric for its look and feel, then washing it to change >that. > >Suzi in London I wash my cotton velveteens and cotton velvets all the time. Why? To allow me to clean it at home, with gentle detergent and rinse, and then hang to dry. Otherwise, my costumes would cost a fortune to keep dry cleaned, not to mention all the trims I would have to remove first as dry cleaners here mangle or melt them. If I am using velvet it is for an elaborate gown, covered with trims, and totally unsuitable for washing. I have customers from 20 years ago who have only had their costumes dry cleaned, and they are in excellent condition, no melting or mangling. Obviously it takes all sorts. Not to mention that some of the velvets I have purchased have the nastiest hand before wash (all the treatments), and soften up nicely after wash. I have never had to buy velvets that I didn't like the hand of - I don't give customers those to sample!! And the rayons here are not really shiny at all. However, the so-called silk velvets are really nasty looking, and expensive, but usually look cheap!! I won't touch them at all. Isn't it fascinating how different our experiences qwith fabrics are? Suzi in London -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 08:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BCq3iw002044 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BCoYcT076533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCoYsC007415; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BCoSMg007331 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1946215C7C for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new book Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <003301c58587$ad6c4400$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcWGFjGh0I+gNvs7R0qjfJ2NH1kW9gAALEZw Message-Id: <20050711125028.1946215C7C@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What name do you use to sell on ebay? I'd love to watch for your purses - perhaps something I can actually afford done by Bjarne!!!!! Eagerly waiting to shop, -Megan Bjarne Drews wrote: i have started a small factory of ladies purses, intends to sell them on ebay. They are quick to make, i can make one each day- well the embroidery that is.................. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 11:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BFLCs8003920 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BFJBGe091321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BFJ6qu001358; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f12.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BFJ04G001257 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:18:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200507091803.j69I0CrZ084010@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:18:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 15:18:55.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA2C28D0:01C5862B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Items of possible interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's a nice looking awl handle. Do you know if they sell any of those things individually? Marc (always looking to improve my collection of medieval shoemaking tools) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 11 14:57:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6BIvrWm007117 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6BIvBwJ017811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6BIun09084133; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (