From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 12:44:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Gi7mZ032286 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71GhA7j080531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71GgiAU006701; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71GgVUb006468 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801164221.HBDX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:21 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:42:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 13:06:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71H6gg8032535 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:06:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71H6HEa083765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71H5upU025097; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71H5VYA024767 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.31] (206-124-5-31.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.31]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j71H1W917396 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:01:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:06:12 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 13:14:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71HEMoX032614 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:14:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71HDkS9084557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71HDXKP031762; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71HDRY8031582 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8858F3A208 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:13:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42EE5860.3000805@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:14:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO wendirae@bellsouth.net wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Never seen it by the yard, however feedsack fabric abounds on ebay, and there are a few places online selling reproduction dishtowels. I know you can get repro quilt fabric with the vintage prints, but I'm not sure it's the same texture/weave as the original feedsacks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 14:16:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71IGIp9000880 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71IFiVt093069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFUjX081968; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.io.com (smtp.io.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFP0k081883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.io.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IFL4K046326 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 64.143.115.25 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48419.64.143.115.25.1122920121.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> References: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <876b231ba745061026fdfcafaded6748@ntw.net> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on smtp.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That sound right. Although my grandmother had different weights of the fabric used for flour sacks. Since she was a quilter she purchased them according to the weight she needed at the time. I remember a series that were out of Chambray and a high count ticking fabric. Chiara On Mon, August 1, 2005 12:06 pm, Sylvia Rognstad said: > I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) > > Sylrog > > On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour >> sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my >> mother-in-law >> and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a >> hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would >> be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> TIA, >> Wendi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 14:56:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71IuetA001352 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71IuCdE097102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Iu9L9011658; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Iu5Ug011541 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801185559.CPSV16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:55:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia, I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 15:43:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Jhqku001948 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:43:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71JhBE3002383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71JgZY9046618; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.178] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Jg7im046197 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C83C347 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA1A015061 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The osnaberg is stiff because of the sizing in the material. It loosens and soften up after you wash it. I do not think that osnaberg is equivalent to flour sack material but this is isn't based on anything solid. De -----Original Message----- Sylvia, I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) Sylrog On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack > fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law > and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a > hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 16:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71KMmwF002459 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71KKXfo006520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71KKKHj077003; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71KKEmm076918 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.37] (206-124-5-37.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.37]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j71KGE931104 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:16:14 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050801185559.PLWC9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77939d3b3784e33836c4d3490c2847f1@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:20:54 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The osnaberg we sell at Joanns isn't stiff at all. Did the bolt say osnaberg? On Aug 1, 2005, at 12:55 PM, wrote: > Sylvia, > I was looking at Osnaberg at the store and it seemed too stiff; I'll > have to look again and take a towel along with me for comparison. > Thanks, > Wendi > Sylvia wrote: > I thought it was osnaburg (osnaberg?) > > Sylrog > > On Aug 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law >> and would love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a >> hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> TIA, >> Wendi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 17:17:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71LHC4B002963 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71LGKvN014448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LG8rj022866; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71IvEsx012326 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050801185700.CTGU16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:57:00 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.157]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050801185700.PMWR9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:57:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050801185700.PMWR9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn: Thanks for the tip; I'll have to keep an eye out on ebay. Dawn wrote: Never seen it by the yard, however feedsack fabric abounds on ebay, and there are a few places online selling reproduction dishtowels. I know you can get repro quilt fabric with the vintage prints, but I'm not sure it's the same texture/weave as the original feedsacks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 17:45:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71LjQZ1003192 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71Liq7r017946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LipSY044699; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.102]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j71Lhpol043912 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56146 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2005 21:43:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wRM8C3s5xZHFStmJx33Iy2DmBmwdKU2BQ+UelWs/WaUAtTbqHLJzxQypEKqeZnsTeNLaQlF3NzsZyD9ZA6TrLxC7g+sZgR3h+JssODxaZBODD5EQ8m+2w5kfrqs2shlayS2qwlLPx+/x3V5OKDT3ou+Y/qncxEqRHh8m/tdTnlM= ; Message-ID: <20050801214346.56144.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:43:46 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508011804.j71I0v13069668@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Ann. That makes perfect sense. All that weight on one point would certainly cause a lot of stress, especially on some types of fabric. I think I know of the Simplicity pattern you are refering to. It is discontinued isn't it? I have seen it for sale on eBay for either a high price, or used and no return reply from the seller when asked if all the pieces were still there. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless surcotte. Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: [h-cost] Hartley girl dress ('medieval') To: Historical Costume I can tell you from bitter experience that the half-circle on either side gown in Hartley will rip straight across where all the fabric is hanging from the one waist point, and it's not a particularly repairable tear. If you follow the advice given often for a Simplicity surcote pattern with half-circles on either side, you will make 1/4 circles (or less) gores/godets, and insert them on each side & center front & back. Ann in CT --- Kahlara wrote: > >From: "Betsy Marshal" > > > "Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It" by > > Dorothy Hartley. Any opinions? > >[Betsy Marshal] > Thank you Betsy, > > I thought her simple pattern for a dress with a very > full circle skirt was interesting and wondered how > accurate it was. The bodice and sleeve construction > appear close to my understanding of typical "T" > tunic construction. But it seems to me the skirt > would not hang properly with either a heavy or stiff > fabric. I have seen pictures that suggest this sort > of construction with contrasting fabric in the side > pieces, although I'm pretty sure the one that comes > to my mind was made with gored side pieces. (now, if > I can remember where I saw that) I was thinking that > in a lighter weight fabric the pattern would make a > nice underdress - with narrower sleeves. > > Annette M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:26:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71MQG8h003611 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MPPo5022043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MPC3B075543; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xrelay04.mail2web.com (xrelay04.mail2web.com [168.144.1.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MJhP5070455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suziclarkeuk-mail@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [168.144.251.229] (helo=M2W114.mail2web.com) by xrelay04.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dzid3-0003jB-Sy for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:19:35 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22005811222033953@M2W114.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 81.153.178.50 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "suziclarkeuk-mail@mail.suziclarke.co.uk" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:20:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j71MJhP5070455 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Original Message: ----------------- From: Kahlara kahlara@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. Thank you Ann. That makes perfect sense. All that weight on one point would certainly cause a lot of stress, especially on some types of fabric. I think I know of the Simplicity pattern you are refering to. It is discontinued isn't it? I have seen it for sale on eBay for either a high price, or used and no return reply from the seller when asked if all the pieces were still there. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless surcotte. You could try this site for a couple of free patterns. Sally has done her research, and while some people might not agree with her conclusions, I have heard good reports of her patterns. http://www.sallypointer.com/simplemedievaldress Suzi -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71Mk8OU003845 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MjfUF024636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71Mjaoi092878; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MjUTm092791 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j71MjsaP011185 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:45:54 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.65.253] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-65-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.253]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MjSMw198920 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:45:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:43:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric In-Reply-To: <20050801164221.JIIO9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack fabric >by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my mother-in-law and would >love to use this fabric for other items but I'm having a hard time finding >it. Does it go by another name? Any help would be greatly appreciated. A few years ago, Mexican grocery stores still sold flour in printed sacks. Don't know if they still do. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 18:58:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71MwJOS003940 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:58:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MvZPu026008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvYAK001234; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvPBi001123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-110.sonic.net [209.148.114.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MvOJK021074 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:57:24 -0700 Message-ID: <42EEA8D7.6030903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:57:27 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Fabric References: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050801154240.03360a18@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think it's also called feed sack fabric and is sometimes available at quilting stores, including on-line ones. This is what I gather from some groups I'm on, I've never bought any myself. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > >> I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to buy flour sack >> fabric by the yard. I was introduced to the towels by my >> mother-in-law and would love to use this fabric for other items but >> I'm having a hard time finding it. Does it go by another name? Any >> help would be greatly appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71N0LUq003970 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71MxWWK026151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MxV1I002374; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MxRgs002318 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKyxe-1DzjFj0ILm-000074; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c596ec$abac2100$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Online Class Starting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j71N0LUq003970 Status: RO We have starting today an online class, "Basic Corsetry for Young Women: 1850 - 1865" at the Costume Classroom. This class can be adapted for adult women's corsetry. The class fee includes a three-month subscription to our online Research Library. The class is taught by Elizabeth Stewart Clark. There are still openings for new students. For more information go to www.costumeclassroom.com . Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71NB34p004090 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71N2qSG026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LF603021933; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71LEpiO021664 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.80.2cc68813 (4320) for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <80.2cc68813.301feac2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:14:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ] Re: Flour Sack Fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/1/2005 3:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: > I do not think that osnaberg is equivalent to flour sack material but this > is isn't based on anything solid I would think osnaberg, as I know it, too loosely woven to be a great four sack ...with flour sifting through it every time you moved the sack. I always thought flour sacks were of a moderately high count muslin...plain unbleached cotton [calico in England] but also often printed with blue flowers all over [calico in America]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 19:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j71NB5ik004093 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j71N2qSI026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j71MAL9r062697; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j71M99eE061700 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 11700 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 22:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 22:09:00 -0000 Message-ID: <42EE9D7A.1060401@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:08:58 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodice fit question References: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42EA4F7E.1050400@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > I am making a late 15th century Italian dress, > Unless I use a shaped center back seam, > the bodice gaps at the center back neckline and sometimes at the center > back waist. I have very pronounced shoulder blades and a sway back. > If I want to have a center back seam, then I can eliminate the gapping. > But if I do not (for some reason) want a c/b seam, is there some fitting > technique I am missing? Thanks! everybody for the helpful suggestions and web info. I will try some of them out on the next version of the dress. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 23:27:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j723RkVL007078 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j723Qj82048063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723QA7c035263; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723Q7xE035232 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-44-055.jps.net ([209.165.44.55]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DznPp-00064B-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:26:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:38 AM -0700 7/29/05, Alex Doyle wrote: >The context is that the dolls' cloth or leather bodies were filled with >bran or sawdust. While I can get the sawdust, right at the moment I >don't have the quanity I need for the several dolls I'm putting >together in the next two weeks. My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a fashion accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, for anything but the shortest-term use. The reason being -- if bran has enough nourishment in it to be fed to horses, it also has enough nourishment in it to attract bugs. Having a couple of pincushions riddled with carpet-bettle holes was quite enough to convince me to use sawdust in the future. Crumbled and finely sifted peat moss from the garden store works, too. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 1 23:47:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j723lEEI007282 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j723kjZK049613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723kiid044519; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j723kfqT044462 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mezarale@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so1387411wra for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:x-mailer:reply-to:organization:x-priority:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=e40ehRbERuNfCOi5CK3FGpnV/A6hd1pNGnFoQh3eKTvfvRgCUStX5sHv7p5+Wvzmn7O3PgsP0+2R3zKVz0SbuTSOSuhgT20qbljTxnFs75XZ/EZeHmgoszYcu5vvYZpWxzpy6T+0SB0XR99X31Er1Bp19mv6b8OxS8KsZgw2Wzs= Received: by 10.54.18.2 with SMTP id 2mr3423943wrr; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 10.1.2.195 ([69.179.185.83]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm5556581wrl.2005.08.01.20.46.35; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:46:46 -0500 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Organization: slight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1537351676.20050801224646@ix.netcom.com> To: Historical Costume Subject: Re[2]: [h-cost] RE: costume critique/discussion website In-Reply-To: <42E831C9.4050306@lavoltapress.com> References: <000601c5930f$40e6b0a0$fd93fea9@mycomputer> <42E831C9.4050306@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jlkelley X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I have to ask. Could you have a spot where people put up their worst creations? I ask because I got suckered into making a dress for a friend. ("What do you want for your birthday?" I asked. "Would you sew me a new dress for SCA?" she said with big doe eyes. "I have the velvet fabric for the dress and cotton for the lining and the pattern already.") Since her mother was a sewer I asked my friend to go ahead and have her mother cut out the fabric. I have never had such a fiasco in my life -- instead of letting her mother help her she decided to do it herself. The velvet ended up being two different fabrics -- corduroy and stretch velvet. The lining was a flimsy cotton. The pattern was Halloween chic in its correctness. The problem (other than my aesthetic sensibilities being smashed) was that none of the pieces truly matched up. I have seen small children do better cutting. Over one night (yes that means 7:00 in the evening to 4:00 the next morning -- we were going to an SCA event the next day) I forced the pieces to fit together. Overall the only place that I did not force to match up was the back above the zipper (it was the first time I ever put in a zipper) was slightly off. I used some holiday trim I was going to use on wreaths that I used to cover up some of the mistakes. We went to the event and I wanted to hide ever time she told anyone that I made the dress. If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put this one. Jonica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72CR1Gc012050 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CQGvP093880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CQBg1049605; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CQ8AL049556 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802122603.SUES16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:26:03 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:26:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 8:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour sack fabric. Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much after it has been washed? Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, not as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty sure I looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have to double check it again. Thanks again for everyone's help! Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Cr9Kp012338 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:53:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CqWFB095293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CqVP8060780; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CqSXH060709 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:52:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:52:03 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume critique/discussion website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put this one. Jonica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL! I think we all have some of these that we could drag out and get a good cathartic laugh from. Maybe designate one or two times a year for these, like around April Fool's Day, so folks know it is meant in fun? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 08:56:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Cu2ds012362 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72CtO5f095439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72CtO7W062023; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72CsDLj061466 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-337); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:54:13 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:54:11 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802055217.03946680@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:56:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack In-Reply-To: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> References: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:26 AM 8/2/2005, you wrote: >I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour >sack fabric. > >Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much >after it has been washed? > >Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, >not as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty >sure I looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have >to double check it again. > >Thanks again for everyone's help! >Wendi Osnaberg is too loosely woven to make a good corset. You want something that doesn't stretch too much. I have had successful corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is designed for corsets. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 09:15:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72DFTHl012618 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:15:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72DExCY096600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72DEwZn071258; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72DEsRZ071218 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.142] (pm5-142.eos.net [205.133.149.142]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j72DEopk025342 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:14:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:06:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508020349.j723nGa6045517@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. I've used these a lot for SCA gowns, and I always thought they were okay -- until I made things out of pure linen and pure wool. Now I think they stink. They are not stable -- they change shape while you are sewing them, even if you are good and iron them every step of the way. And they creep in the sewing machine. Pieces that start off the same shape don't end up that way by the time you finish the end of a seam. I was amazed at how pure linen and pure wool just stay put, even on the bias (cross)! And if you think linen wrinkles -- they wrinkle too, but they are floppier. On they other hand, they look pretty good and they are cheap. I still have some left and I do plan to use it. But next time I will starch everthing as I sew in hopes that it stays put a bit. If you just want something to wear and price is important, then buy it and expect a harder time sewing. It'll look fine. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:07:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72E7aKI013044 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72E6x6U000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72E6tDM098794; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72E6p5h098702 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.20d.628ff30 (4214) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:06:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2005 8:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: > I have had successful > corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is > cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is > designed for corsets. > I've used white denim, which has a twill weave. It will mold a bit but doesn't really stretch. Worked well. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:33:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EXYnL013262 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72EWtmD003089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EWq7R014771; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EWUoO014540 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779843FDCE for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42ef2a14.3106 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRC74P0V5WZcgIAAAAB,87d54018e131a6f3547d4e9bacac160e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.132] Message-Id: <20050802073220.763C65E6@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I prefer the 100% linen, I have used the blends and not had a problem. If you get the cotten/linen blend it acts and looks pretty much the same as pure linen. I am not fond of the rayon/linen blend. Just as a side note, I have found 100% linen stuffed in with the blends at JoAnne's several times. They don't seem to know or care that is is different, and the price is the same. You just have to look at the end of every bolt and maybe find one in a stack of a dozen blends. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: From: Gail & Scott Finke Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:06:01 -0400 To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. _____________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:34:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EYZwq013271 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:34:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72EYGH8003269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EYGLm015775; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EYDbj015741 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.113] (206-124-5-113.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.113]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j72EUD916589 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:30:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> References: <20d.628ff30.3020d7ec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:34:56 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. Sylrog On Aug 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/2/2005 8:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > joanmj@surewest.net writes: > >> I have had successful >> corsets made with cotton duck (rather heavy, but it works and is >> cheap) as well as cotton coutil (the best, in my opinion), which is >> designed for corsets. >> > > I've used white denim, which has a twill weave. It will mold a bit but > doesn't really stretch. Worked well. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 10:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72EvIub013459 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72Eulxq005291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72EukPY030903; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72Euf1C030794 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 43086 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2005 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2005 14:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <42EF899F.5040007@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:56:31 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > > >>I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic >>ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these >>fabrics? I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 14:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72IFGav015209 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:15:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72IEBJB027919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:14:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IDvoo085538; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IDrbT085478 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 7F7B11ECDAC; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.6.235.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.6.235]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A9391ECDC5 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <050801c5978e$2bcaac20$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42EF899F.5040007@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while back, I ordered a ton of $3/yd linen/cotton herringbone. It looked and felt like pure linen--very silky--until I washed it. It FULLED. Unwashed, it had been very lightweight, very thin, (it felt like about 3.5-4 oz, from what I remember) and a bit loosely woven. Washed, it's thicker than denim (though still pretty loosely woven; it didn't really shrink much) and not at all silky. It's still pretty breathable and surprisingly easy to work with (especially for hand-sewing, because of the looseness of the weave) but it's a completely different fabric than what I'd bought; in terms of drape and hand you're more likely to mistake it for wool than for linen. The leftovers, of which I have a ton, are excellent for making mock-ups of fulled wool garments, since they have pretty much the same stretch and thickness. As a matter of fact, I was just sitting here putting things up for sale, so if you're curious you can see a dress made out of this stuff: http://www.formfunction.org/for_sale/rr.html Both the outside and the lining are made out of this fabric, but the metric ton of hand-sewing that went in to it went quickly and easily and didn't cause any blisters! Couldn't say the same for a 100% linen cote of a similar washed thickness that I made around the same time. All said, I don't find a cotton/linen blend too objectionable for outerwear, but I wouldn't want it directly against my skin, and I wouldn't wear it when it's over 85-90 degrees F. And if it's wonderfully silky and beautiful when you buy it, then make a dry-clean only garment out of it! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 14:59:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72Ixd18015559 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72IwNuI032829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IwKU7019648; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72IwF7O019565 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be19.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.25]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF29047FE20 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:58:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] House of Chanel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am so fortunate that they are sending a series in the danish television about the House of Chanel and Karl Lagerfeld. They show how they create all the haute couture models and all the staff in the house is working. Included a very skilled shoemaker, a professional tassel maker, and embroiderers. Whow it is very interresting to watch this. Those seamstresses really knows what they are doing. Gosh how awsome it must be to work there! Some people really are lucky!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 15:16:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72JGke8015745 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:16:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72JFmZY034685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JF2gD033075; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JEtqt032849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j72JEY9Z020719 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <42EFC664.1010901@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:15:48 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] House of Chanel References: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I wouldn't give to see that series, Bjarne! Even if I couldn't understand what they were saying, it would be enough just to see all that eye candy. Sigh. Michelle in scorching Michigan, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 18:13:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72MDosn017209 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72MCwCC055742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72MCqwA070348; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MCmUq070222 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35381 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 22:12:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q7DWziLN/oH+KJ7Va70vqg6FizFhBTgGE4Dn7pJV1VYb491OE6+Tj4jvOGQ6H5ZwHisoCbSUjYAPrppcPr8PqS9/2G5qG+514cf7bbUHlj45ASml+qOLQ8tyBqkxeZggRwK6pDBr04mcWw0OOAk1STnzzKhxEFUhiKstZ+SOChM= ; Message-ID: <20050802221243.35379.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:12:42 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508020349.j723nGa7045517@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 498 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank Suzi, The 'simple' dress looks relatively easy. It is good to have an actual diagram of the pattern layout - makes it easier to visualize how it should go together. The 'red dress' pattern is virtually identical to the Hartley pattern (Medieval Costume...by Dorothy Hartley). Annette M Original Message: ----------------- From: Kahlara kahlara@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hartley dress and some questions. I've just realized that there is an event in three weeks I would like to have an outfit for and would rather not cobble something passable together out of my closet like I did for the first one I attended. Anyone have any hints or suggestions for something quick and easy? You could try this site for a couple of free patterns. Sally has done her research, and while some people might not agree with her conclusions, I have heard good reports of her patterns. http://www.sallypointer.com/simplemedievaldress Suzi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 18:29:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j72MTuwc017362 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72MTM8T057424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72MTKoJ081810; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MT9It081611 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54635 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 22:29:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHeLeKtIcPIL2ikWyQUXvxZNBFub/0y8oviXezDBCTiqmx11CREJR80rLpqIF83SBbvn/wIiAjCSX0zfqQb3z9gt6FXkIuZoTPelBVUBsLbUcNov71TTLV90OHw6HuS1xAKmmaxf6OD6oOnJDsKZ86k5waCNVD4m3sfpzAXVr5k= ; Message-ID: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:28:59 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are hard to come by. :- ( In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. From: Gail & Scott Finke Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends on 8/1/05 11:49 PM, kahlara wrote: > I also have a question about linens - specifically the blended and synthetic > ones. What sort of successes/failures have been experienced with these > fabrics? The local Joann's often has them in 'suit weight' for less than $2.00 > a yard and I was thinking this might be good for a first effort at a sideless > surcotte. I've used these a lot for SCA gowns, and I always thought they were okay -- until I made things out of pure linen and pure wool. Now I think they stink. They are not stable -- they change shape while you are sewing them, even if you are good and iron them every step of the way. And they creep in the sewing machine. Pieces that start off the same shape don't end up that way by the time you finish the end of a seam. I was amazed at how pure linen and pure wool just stay put, even on the bias (cross)! And if you think linen wrinkles -- they wrinkle too, but they are floppier. On they other hand, they look pretty good and they are cheap. I still have some left and I do plan to use it. But next time I will starch everthing as I sew in hopes that it stays put a bit. If you just want something to wear and price is important, then buy it and expect a harder time sewing. It'll look fine. Gail Finke ------------------------------ From: Lalah Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends While I prefer the 100% linen, I have used the blends and not had a problem. If you get the cotten/linen blend it acts and looks pretty much the same as pure linen. I am not fond of the rayon/linen blend. Just as a side note, I have found 100% linen stuffed in with the blends at JoAnne's several times. They don't seem to know or care that is is different, and the price is the same. You just have to look at the end of every bolt and maybe find one in a stack of a dozen blends. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender ------------------ I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. liz young --------------------- And that depends on the blend. Rayon blended with linen should not be so; polyester, however, may be. I think rayon is blended with linen mainly for lower cost; polyester is blended to make it more easy-care--less prone to wrinkles. Comfort is largely dependent on how well the fibers absorb moisture, and rayon is more absorbent than linen. Ann Wass --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 20:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j730UtIW018268 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j730U6Y9066805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j730U1hW051957; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.tpg.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j730TrgN051841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-245-219-166-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.166]) by mail.tpg.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j730Tp7E032731 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:29:52 +1000 Message-ID: <005301c597c2$5db94640$a6dbf5dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume critique/discussion website Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:18:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If there was a place to put your worst creation, I would love to put > this one. > Jonica hmm, maybe in the fantasy section with a note in the description explaining what it is. If other people are interested I could create and "Oh My God What Was I Thinking" section (or something along those lines) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:57:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731vS2I018757 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731ufDb072347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731uZXM092387; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72FHOh5046483 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.219.606b3e7 (4184) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <219.606b3e7.3020e878@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1001/Tue Aug 2 02:22:39 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2005 10:59:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizyoung@fenris.net writes: I have used linen blends and find them oppressively warm compared to 100% linen. And that depends on the blend. Rayon blended with linen should not be so; polyester, however, may be. I think rayon is blended with linen mainly for lower cost; polyester is blended to make it more easy-care--less prone to wrinkles. Comfort is largely dependent on how well the fibers absorb moisture, and rayon is more absorbent than linen. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wkrs018776 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vu8X072613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vuiW093162; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72JdTVC053261 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802193908.OVKJ3114.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? TIA, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wkvY018777 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731viQK072518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731viLv092998; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72I9xjF082178 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050802180953.GGIL3114.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.155]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:09:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia, Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with the fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't remember seeing a sign for Drill. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. Sylrog" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wlGp018781 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vq7j072570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vqh2093097; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72JSmVV043878 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51099 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2005 19:28:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nubg+Guqp8lGUPo5r7d7Imp7wBwkSw8lboGfiYi/aIVGcMGPowfxQjK5eTUuIlV1izQDXHZ7pQu3FMws40kIol+dVA2dWHnnfDX9DAMiUqIaLMMqv76JbIM1nsoaOE/ecW/19R7ow1FzmDk3sdpn1Ktp5/3lGEmk+LaCjLu1BJE= ; Message-ID: <20050802192833.51097.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:28:33 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] House of Chanel To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003a01c59794$3332ac00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You should too Bjarne, your work is perfection and you have such an amazing eye for color/color matching...just my couple of pennies worth ;) A BIG fan of your incredible work, Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I am so fortunate that they are sending a series in the danish television about the House of Chanel and Karl Lagerfeld. They show how they create all the haute couture models and all the staff in the house is working. Included a very skilled shoemaker, a professional tassel maker, and embroiderers. Whow it is very interresting to watch this. Those seamstresses really knows what they are doing. Gosh how awsome it must be to work there! Some people really are lucky!!! Bjarne --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wn39018788 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731w1rS072655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731w176093235; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j72MpbYu098075 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-11570); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:51:09 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:51:06 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:53:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends In-Reply-To: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:28 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better >at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) >Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the >Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. > >I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but >the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft >supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad >actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 >of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty >(bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are >hard to come by. :- ( > >In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have >linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? > >Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. For linen, I go to www.fabrics-store.com. I have had good service and decent products at a good price. You can get free samples of up to 5 fabrics at a time. Can't hurt to give it a try. I've had good luck with cotton-linen blends (and it's amazing what a little color-remover and dye will do if the original color is just wrong); most of the ones I have used are 50-50. I won't use any of the linen-rayon blends for next-to-the-skin clothing, but they should be fine for outer garments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 21:58:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j731wlVS018783 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j731vm8S072539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j731vm3o093049; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j72Ihi25008572 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-249-130.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.249.130]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.4/8.12.2) with SMTP id j72Ihctd001994 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:43:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001c01c59791$ee455360$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200508011802.j71I0v12069668@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: water soluble fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > I have not received any letters for a long time, so i wondered what you all > do. > Have you gone on vacations? > Well actually i wanted to start your brains and ask you clever people what > can i use the water soluble fabrics that i baught for? > I think it is a wonderfull invention, but to what? > Could it be used for embroidery? > Bjarne Bjarne, I love watersoluble fabric I use it perhaps more than I should :) -For drawing out the embroidery pattern, to transfer to materials like ribbed silk, velvet, and linen that I want to keep *absolutely* white. I baste the pattern onto the fabric, do a quick running stitch through it, wash it, and voila! -For stabilizing slippery fabrics, that I'm sewing together, like that dark blue silk charmeuse that prefers to slide into a lump next to the sewing machine, and shows pin marks badly. -I have a friend who makes lace bowls (yes, bowls) she draws the pieces, to make a ball, on the watersoluble, then she stitches over it, with her sewing machine, with fancy embroidery stitches, and zigzags. After the material is covered, she cuts the pieces out, sews them together, and then rinses out the watersoluble. They are very pretty and delicate little things. -and last...I've thought of using it as a ground work for making Punto in Aria lace, a needlepoint lace, but I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know if it would work. I hope this gives you some ideas, enjoy it, Bob Dorr-Robert of Stonemarche, currently embroidering, and adding pearls for a set of tunic cuffs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732Uadf018946 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732UFtJ075733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732UD7X009669; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732U8wp009614 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.109] (206-124-5-109.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.109]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j732Q7927702 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:26:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <16305078bc82f46353e26c16aa083393@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:30:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found it with the rest of the utility fabrics, where they keep the osnaburg, canvas, diaper fabric, etc. On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:09 PM, wrote: > Sylvia, > > Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with the > fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't remember seeing > a sign for Drill. > > Thanks, > Wendi > > Sylvia wrote: > "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or > off-white > drill, which is good for corsets. > > Sylrog" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:34:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732YmN9018979 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732YPs9076088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732YPN2011603; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732YLQe011532 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j732YGoi021741 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:34:16 -0400 Received: from 24-196-146-62.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.196.146.62]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2005 22:34:16 -0400 Message-Id: <48vift$13ova93@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,162,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="1200597283:sNHT15278608" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:34:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050802180952.XWGC12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Thread-Index: AcWXzshV7H9RS1dNTVWmtRrPfGs9twABN5Pg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not Sylvia, but the drill will probably be in the utility fabrics with pillow ticking and osnaburg, etc. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of > wendirae@bellsouth.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:10 PM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack > > Sylvia, > > Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with > the fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't > remember seeing a sign for Drill. > > Thanks, > Wendi > > Sylvia wrote: > "If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white > or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. > > Sylrog" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 2 22:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j732nB14019060 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:49:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732mlON076954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732mj8R018425; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j732meog018377 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j732n5aP013081 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:49:05 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.65.253] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-65-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.65.253]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j732mYi8423072 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:48:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050802191957.025266b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:20:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellso uth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? It's thin and doesn't wear as well as thicker linen. It feels like silk until it wears thru. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 00:04:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7344YMe019496 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:04:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7343mue082578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7343kn4053660; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7343gXT053607 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB35C5D238; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:01:40 -0700 To: margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com, isleofmannca@yahoogroups.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I guess I like to research costumes, even what some would consider minor parts like the hats and other accessories. To me, they are just as important in getting right (or close to it as we can sometimes) as getting the gown right. I've seen a number of French hoods worn over the years, and part of why I am so keen in researching this accessory is that most that I have seen at various renaissance faires (although, not all, thankfully) usually have that upper crescent shaped way too large, and standing up way too high. For those who watched Babylon 5, a badly made French hood can sometimes remind me of the Centauri's fashion for a standing crest of hair. And yes, I have worn such a standing crest myself, so I am not pointing fingers at anyone. As we learn better, we do better. As a standing crest is something I want to avoid in making my next French hood, I decided that the best way to determine what a proper one should look like, is to look at as many examples in surviving portraits and sketches that I could find. Unfortunately, there are no surviving French hoods that I have heard of, so portraits and sketches have to suffice. However, the biggest problem in determining what they really look like, is that there are no back images of any that I could find, or really good side views either. But what images I have found in my many books, I have scanned and made available for everyone to view for research purposes only. I am sure there are more images available in other books and even online, but I didn't find them... yet. I know there is one book that I would love to get from our local college, Strong's _Tudor & Jacobean Portraits_, but they are expanding the library, and all those kind of research books are being moved into storage for awhile. When I get that book, or any other images of interest, I will update the page. The images I have scanned are only French hoods, and they date from the late 1530s to the 1550s, but all are of similar fashion style. For now, you can find all 10 images I have, in full and in close-up detail, at my dress diary section: 1540s French Hood Images http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/Fhood_images.html If you know of any images that should be on this page but are not, please let me know. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 02:01:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7361Foo020633 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 02:01:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73600tk090362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j735xs0v001021; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j735xoVN000932 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-147-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j735xiU13518 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:59:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> Message-Id: From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:59:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> >> In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have >> linen. Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics >> from eBay? >> >> Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. > I've had very good luck with fabrics from eBay. But I tend to be adventurous when it comes to such things. But I recently got a gorgeous wool tapestry type fabric that I am working into a coat. It wasn't exactly like it looked on eBay, it was better. caveat emptor. Make sure to check their feedback. Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com Reunite Pangaea! It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno Oh, good. Symbols on the floor. That always goes well. - Gunn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 03:39:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j737dw3O016563 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j737d8RT096874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j737d5OI047140; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j737d1fc047108 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1E0Dq80E8N-0006BG; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00cc01c597fe$6de6b250$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:39:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mullet Hairstyle History Timeline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j737dw3O016563 Status: RO This is so cute: http://www.brownielocks.com/mullet.html Of course you have to sing along with the midi while visiting the webpage. We actually sing "Hair" to my son who is going his hair out. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 08:16:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73CGDxB022871 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:16:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73CFTBf026180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73CFP1K065974; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73CFL1v065899 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKN00GBMBDET9ZZ@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:15:24 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My problem with fabrics-store is that thier white light weight linen (IL-19 and IL-20 i think are they names) does not come in what they called "soften" so it is fairly rough-i.e. not something i would want to use in a chemises. I have used it so, and it is ok, but NOT as nice as some of the good linen I have bought for 7 dollars other places. I have tried washing and drying it again and again, and alos tried washing it with dish soap (someone said that might help at some point). Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:28 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote: > >> Thanks for the responses! The real thing? Someday - when I am better >> at this and feel that I won't be wasting money on a mistake. :- ) >> Hopefully the heat won't be too much of a factor - up here in the >> Northwest an 85 degree day is in the high range even in August. >> >> I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but >> the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft >> supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad >> actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 >> of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty >> (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are >> hard to come by. :- ( >> >> In that same vein...I have seen several eBay sellers that have linen. >> Anyone want to share any experiences with buying fabrics from eBay? >> >> Annette M - Today's lesson is about fabric. > > > For linen, I go to www.fabrics-store.com. I have had good service and > decent products at a good price. You can get free samples of up to 5 > fabrics at a time. Can't hurt to give it a try. > I've had good luck with cotton-linen blends (and it's amazing what a > little color-remover and dye will do if the original color is just > wrong); most of the ones I have used are 50-50. I won't use any of > the linen-rayon blends for next-to-the-skin clothing, but they should > be fine for outer garments. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 09:53:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73Drxc0023752 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73Dr6FP038720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Dr3Wc018648; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Dqx4H018595 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AD0DF5EE0AC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c59832$af429410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:53:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Wendi, I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i have imported the most expensive and lovely handkerchief linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century gentlemans shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, irons well, washes well, and alas very very expensive. Also my stock cravat is made of this material. Let me know what this pros and cons are. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen > Hello, > I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any > experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the > Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? > > TIA, > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:03:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73E3mGc023805 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73E2uj3039676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E2tDV024980; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E2pXp024888 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j73E2ew29191.; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:02:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:02:40 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:02:17 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j73E3mGc023805 Status: RO Advantages and disadvantages (from the Latin "pro" (for) and "contra" (against). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 03/08/2005 14:53 >>> Let me know what this pros and cons are. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:06:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73E6JwD023843 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73E5sqk039965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E5rUC026827; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73E5nHs026780 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 383FA5EE020 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kimiko, Welcome to the club of high crests. The very first i ever made, was like your description, and way to exagerated. Even worse was that i made it with an elizabethan wheel farthingale. My research was not worth 2 pennies those days :-) I have often wondered, that there must be many portraits at the Louvre Museum in Paris. Unfortunately i have never been there, but they must have as many portraits from the period, as the english has. Dont know if there are any french books arround. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images > Hi all, > > I guess I like to research costumes, even what some would consider minor > parts like the hats and other accessories. To me, they are just as > important in getting right (or close to it as we can sometimes) as getting > the gown right. > > I've seen a number of French hoods worn over the years, and part of why I > am so keen in researching this accessory is that most that I have seen at > various renaissance faires (although, not all, thankfully) usually have > that upper crescent shaped way too large, and standing up way too high. > For those who watched Babylon 5, a badly made French hood can sometimes > remind me of the Centauri's fashion for a standing crest of hair. And yes, > I have worn such a standing crest myself, so I am not pointing fingers at > anyone. As we learn better, we do better. > > As a standing crest is something I want to avoid in making my next French > hood, I decided that the best way to determine what a proper one should > look like, is to look at as many examples in surviving portraits and > sketches that I could find. Unfortunately, there are no surviving French > hoods that I have heard of, so portraits and sketches have to suffice. > However, the biggest problem in determining what they really look like, is > that there are no back images of any that I could find, or really good > side views either. > > But what images I have found in my many books, I have scanned and made > available for everyone to view for research purposes only. I am sure there > are more images available in other books and even online, but I didn't > find them... yet. I know there is one book that I would love to get from > our local college, Strong's _Tudor & Jacobean Portraits_, but they are > expanding the library, and all those kind of research books are being > moved into storage for awhile. When I get that book, or any other images > of interest, I will update the page. > > The images I have scanned are only French hoods, and they date from the > late 1530s to the 1550s, but all are of similar fashion style. For now, > you can find all 10 images I have, in full and in close-up detail, at my > dress diary section: > 1540s French Hood Images > http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1545FrenchHood/Fhood_images.html > If you know of any images that should be on this page but are not, please > let me know. > > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > http://www.kimiko1.com > Fresno, CA, USA > > "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild > Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires > Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland > (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:24:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EONtb024297 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73ENmfp041857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ENksu039806; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ENfNZ039663 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:23:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:23:14 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I used it for a couple of 16th C shirts, machine sewed one, hand sewed the other. It was a dream to handsew as fingerpressing took quite easily. It doesn't wear as well as the heavier linens but both of the guys I made these for say it is very cool and comfortable to wear. I was using the handkerchief linen available on sewingcentral.com. Hope that helps, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:26:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EPxdr024312 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73EPbmY042003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EPbhq041055; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EPBRw040740 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m36.in-tch.com [216.166.191.36]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j73EJGR29555 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <42F0D531.3040201@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:31:13 -0600 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fabrics from eBay, was Re: [h-cost] linen blends References: <200508021801.j72I0otD074973@net.indra.com> <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050802154520.0395d520@pop.surewest.net> <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <42F0B55C.9040806@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's a shame. The bolt of the same stuff I got from them (their 3.5 oz "handkerchief" linen) washed up beautifully. It's not quite as fine as some other fabric I've got (60 threads/inch), but it's very nice, and makes great shifts and shirts (and hankies, too). The thread count's not as exactly even as I'd like for my counted-thread work, but I'm looking forward to doing some embroidery on it for a 16th-century shift. I'm going to do a variant on the partlet and sleeves from the Helena S????(Slackenburg? something like that) painting (English, mid-century). She's the young lady in the sleeveless red dress, with the partlet and matching sleeves embroidered with sprigs of roses? I'm going to do the same thing, but using sprigs of blue columbine, since columbine are the charge in my (SCA) badge. There are a number of examples in 16th c. English clothing that show little touches of heraldic charges or associations, so I thought it appropriate. Plus, it gets me the chance to try another kind of embroidery (I generally don't do surface work), AND has the bonus of avoiding roses, which were hugely popular as thematic elements in 16th c. (English) embroidery, but which, in the SCA, tend to be associated with queens and former queens, which I am not. --Sue in sunny Montana, who needs to get off this computer and go to work! ;o) J Schueller wrote: > My problem with fabrics-store is that thier white light weight linen > (IL-19 and IL-20 i think are they names) does not come in what they > called "soften" so it is fairly rough-i.e. not something i would want to > use in a chemises. I have used it so, and it is ok, but NOT as nice as > some of the good linen I have bought for 7 dollars other places. > I have tried washing and drying it again and again, and alos tried > washing it with dish soap (someone said that might help at some point). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:29:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73ETcs2024344 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:29:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73ETCMc042348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ETATH043532; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73ET4oY043432 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:29:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb1.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.177]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AD5B4262869 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006701c59837$be249960$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen Advantages and disadvantages (from the Latin "pro" (for) and "contra" (against). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor Thanks Kate, I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 10:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73EWwRw024372 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:32:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73EWdel042694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73EWa5Z045983; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j73EVNpW045013 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail04.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.144]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBRBXKWAN83HFJ for (sender ); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn71ZjS8EC5Ewdi4PsPImzjRZcF5ZuM4MjGw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail04.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KZG24W8R; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:31:13 PDT Received: from [24.14.7.158] by webmail04.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:30:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.7.158] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:30:12 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050803.073113.25189.243325@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:320837553 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.144|webmail04.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think that it's a trick of perspective that makes people think that French Hoods stand up away from the head. I have made two French Hoods that actually lay down almost flat against my skull but that look tilted when I wear them. People don't realize that the skull actually slopes up from the forehead and so if you make something that lies flat to the head it will appear tilted when observed. I cringe every time I see one of the 'sun visor' French Hoods- I know that's what some people actually use for them because they have told me with great enthusiasm that they are the perfect shape and won't it be wonderful......that's when I just grit my teeth and nod politely. I remember seeing a nun one time with a head-dress that was a perfect French Hood and I wished that I had the nerve to ask her how her order (I have no idea which one) constructs the things and if the makings might be available to the public. Alas, I haven't seen one like it since (not that I've been prowling th! e convents and cathedrals looking) but if I do, I may just throw caution to the wind and ask. Byt he way, there's a sketch in one of Janet Arold's books (PoF or QEWUNLK'D) of a French woman from front and back and I believe she's wearing a French Hood......it's usually used to illustrate the farthingale that peaking out from under her hem or the way her bodice laces up the back. That might give you a back view to work from. Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 11:35:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73FZJK0025895 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73FYGLF050634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73FY958094362; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73FY4S8094209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.39] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j73FXtE3017590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:33:49 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1002/Wed Aug 3 04:29:36 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kimiko, I'm so glad you are doing this! An image collection of French hoods has been on the to-do list for a long time. One of the things I was contemplating was a look at similar styles from nearby countries just before this time period as well as later developments--a sort of evolutionary approach. Most people trace the hood from the looser early century arrangement, or just before the turn of the century as in Margaret of Burgandy's version: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/moulins/anne_aus.jpg But there are several intriguing possibilities from the Flemish school that might be closer, evolutionary speaking. Gossaert depicts a young women with a frech-hood shaped headdress that contains her hair in a bag at the back: http://www.wga.hu/art/g/gossaert/2/girl.jpg Hemessen has this interesting variation: http://www.wga.hu/art/h/hemessen/jan/weighing.jpg and an absolute favorite, for the "bag": http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/female/concert.jpg (The above are from the Web Gallery of Art: http://www.wga.hu/index.html, go to search page, choose appropriate time/school) and the post-1540 style of headdress: Mary Tudor in profile on a medal. There is a companion medal of Phillip. This is about 10 years after the period you are looking at. There are several images of these around the web. Here's one: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/63/Mary_and_Philip_medal.jpg Quite different! - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 14:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73ICiCU027419 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73IBlP2070829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IAjNf030767; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IAUe9030497 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050803181024.OTPX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050803181024.RGFX9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:10:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050803181024.RGFX9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Very Cool Links X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if these links have ever been posted before, but I was browsing around the internet and found some great links that I just had to pass along! 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Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 14:59:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73IxRvI027853 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73IwWhE076607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73IwKRI069026; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Iv2Gk067910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-33.sonic.net [209.148.113.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Iv1ox023620; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:57:01 -0700 Message-ID: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:57:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need someone to make belt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where in the San Francisco area I can get a belt made to go with a vintage buckle? I have a big, heavy 20th-century enameled buckle (probably brass) with a very simple but unusual closure. It's Art Nouveau style but made in the later 20th century, probably an Oriental import. It has a blue suede belt that, aside from being worn, is blue. I almost never wear blue. Anyway, I want to replace the belt with an identical one in some shade of brown that goes with the buckle (which is brass color, dark blue, and red). Anyone know a reliable leatherworker who can do this at a reasonable price? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 15:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73J9Qoq027932 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73J8v0m077704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73J8MLC077220; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73J7FbA076251 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKN00GWQUFOM950@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:07:09 -0400 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42F115DD.6010803@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42F11380.8010907@lavoltapress.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New (to me) book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello everyone. I just picked up a new (to me) book at the library, and I thought others might be intrested in it as it seems to have a bunch of pictures and details of the pics. Private Lives in Renaissance Venice by Patricia Fortini Brown http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300102364/qid=1123095777/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9440793-8383823?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 It is not my area, but it looks well packaged, so some of you might want to browse it if you find it in your local library. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 15:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73Jo2HH028293 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73JnAHT081893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Jm7YC008567; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Jl9Pi007760 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050803194704.CSTD16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:04 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.161]) by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:47:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects of working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very easy to work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does it breathe or is it oppresive? Thanks, Wendi Bjarne wrote: >Hi Wendi, >I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i >have imported the most expensive and lovely handkerchief >linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century gentlemans >shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, >irons well, washes well, and alas very very expensive. >Also my stock cravat is made of this material. > >Let me know what this pros and cons are. > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 16:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73KR2Nx028547 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73KQOSo086309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KPx6p040300; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KPVvt039858 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so162051nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HQL42zP4UcMCbSpvCyJYM+Fgu6LwhIUuWTO52QeuteglPSgUQ1vbgOUqWwg2kBgqH8GLaiwJP4h4oLznI7GB8D8LL83w/MjW9tqIgtbtlI+GCd+7wBoJJCpJiQHatk6uAkc+j6NHC8/deZ2IUoWe7Az1yRxO9rEEWV92Glb63Bk= Received: by 10.37.20.32 with SMTP id x32mr335368nzi; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:25:26 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73KPVvt039858 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed >it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing >wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a >moskito bite. If that's a blood stain, try hydrogen peroxide. (It may be too late if you've washed it alot.) The H2O2 becomes H2O plus a free O molecule, two of which bind with the iron in hemoglobin removing the color from the blood. Aint it great what you learn in Biology class. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 16:37:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73KbVNq028654 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73KatcH087554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73KaojU049469; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73Kakh4049338 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so163840nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MDMOh0oITPnpGmSZGsI9q8mpjbQwuZ9kgQG/2IDStim+57ct7x7WEHiGkFbf42MufXWbWpXgXzrelRmeInyf17AV2KDJuDtzE1xCGV3hCmlsUKgeYWeUaT5ibTIxA6VIxs8xMnFQgVnHn0Kqh5gg0quy9LgeYAmqqbv41bSvUxM= Received: by 10.36.251.4 with SMTP id y4mr468604nzh; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73Kakh4049338 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Theaterworks seeks volunteers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this sounds like it should be spam or even porn. Apologies. You know where your delete key is. The following came to me, referencing a friend of mind currently working for Theaterworks. Theaterworks, based in Menlo Park California, (www.theatreworks.org) is running the show "Intimate Apparel". They're looking for 1902 corsetted models for the opening nite party. There is no requirement for "chapter & verse" authenticity. This is the theatah, dahlings. The show is about a corsettiere who makes outrageous corsets. That's all the info I have. If you'd care to volunteer or would like more details, contact Shannon at the address below. I've volunteered to show & tell my collection of originals, but, at my age coyly refuse to model. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com I am looking for models to attend our opening night of Intimate Apparel, Saturday, August 27th. The show takes place in 1905 and centers around corsets so I need to find about 10 people who will attend in corsets. On the advice of the nice folks at Dark Garden, I have tried to get a hold of the greater bay area costumers' guild and they have not returned my calls. Heather suggested you might know someone who could point me in the right direction. I would certainly appreciate the help. Shannon McDonnell Director of Marketing & Sales TheatreWorks Phone: (650) 463-7127 Fax: (650) 463-1963 mailto:shannon@theatreworks.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 17:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73LLRvu029215 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73LKbgq092384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73LKGEZ083143; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73LK1ti082786 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shilo@srclink.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [68.225.181.93]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050803211929.NHDH8255.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <42F1351F.7010002@srclink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:20:31 -0400 From: Sharon Rust-Ryburn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linen blends & handkerchief X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elena, Nice web page. Would you mind posting the top page for your costumes? I feel certain you have done this at some point and I haven't been paying enough attention. Mozilla, at least, doesn't show a link to it - and dropping the rr.html or going to the .org doesn't work either. Thanks. I have a linen cotehardie just a tiny step up from handkerchief linen (some shops would probably market it as handkerchief). It is quite crisp; a very firm weave which doesn't have the elasticity my linen foundation garment has. So far, it is wearing quite well and looks good - the surprising body means that the skirt does not fall limply. I found I had to tweek the pattern because of the difference in elasticity including re-cutting the sleeves on the bias to allow more give. Megh E. >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:15:31 -0500 >From: "E House" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends >To: "Historical Costume" >Message-ID: <050801c5978e$2bcaac20$0400a8c0@compaqub> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >As a matter of fact, I was just sitting here putting things up for sale, so >if you're curious you can see a dress made out of this stuff: >http://www.formfunction.org/for_sale/rr.html > >-E > > > > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:39:08 -0400 >From: >Subject: [h-cost] Handkerchief Linen >To: >Message-ID: > <20050802193908.JWM12809.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hello, >I wanted to know, and I am sure the answer is "yes", if anyone has any experience working with Handkerchief Linen. Can you please tell me the Pros and Cons of working with it and wearing it? > >TIA, >Wendi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 18:07:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73M7hWw029791 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73M6kNM097381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73M6fEa019041; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j73M6d21018912 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82895 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2005 22:06:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jYcO4YydU+egJiW1iPK4UB2dXVLgwiNpljLDM/Q9p/oR3Ox46/d3LHj8pnpiK5aZzv/ooHs4QgiE0v086lFZRPlyfUiXmZLvQEGubVf8TuC0sNcBUWaRNNeRwZkEmu0m6gucMPFdWJ5FvPfEArnsKbzQYVx8JN2cjGosU3RUz98= ; Message-ID: <20050803220633.82893.qmail@web51303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.221.61] by web51303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:06:33 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps I've just missed your point. Sorry. But the Margaret of Burgundy picture shows a bag with the hair contained beneath it, although bigger than the Gossaert example you gave. Very closely related, so far as I can see. I've seen the portrait in person. It appears to me to show a large, dark, matt fabric bag with a web/lattice of a multi-ply gold cording. The paint of the cord is very badly worn on the top & back of her head, but shows fairly well towards the bottom of the bag. And the shape of the 'headband' parts are very close indeed. Ann in CT --- Hope Greenberg wrote: > Most people trace the hood from the looser early > century arrangement, or just before the turn of > the century as in Margaret of Burgandy's > version: > http://www.wga.hu/art/m/master/moulins/anne_aus.jpg > > - Hope __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 18:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73MUj3s030085 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:30:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73MU0M4000309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:30:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73MT7qT037065; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxv2.wvu.edu (mxv2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73MSmol036818 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv2.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73MSgiN008049 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:28:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:28:20 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) and she asked: >Is there any directory of college and university historic dress collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware of any >directory? I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! Thanks in advance for your help, Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 19:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j73NBCZC030320 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j73NAggs004961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73NAeHH067286; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j73NAdFM067228 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so182677nzd for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Dg+qD08JSIo9tSW7n3s1FLhXmz/tEQQE+fs/fps5jSVBXzc3xg1rYDL1/IHEE5+4raTjZQUzGKULKKr5H8s/I90CdJ+ymoRKvPrdMlN9MKXqhQhixuAyGGbzb9XNTxmt8xQbUh5c7rXCvk0rstkm3Tg2cBPTBWzRK8JJLswG79A= Received: by 10.37.20.72 with SMTP id x72mr395846nzi; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:34 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j73NAdFM067228 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Among the treasures I brought back from Italy were scads of books. The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All color! The Galleria della Accademia (Florence) catalog. Home of Michaelangelo's David. The Galleria della Accademia (Venice) catalog. 14th thru 16th Venetian painting primarily with good 14th thru 16th examples from thruout Italy. Amazing Russian icon collection. and my favorite: "Moda a Firenze: Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua influenza" No, she didnt have the flu, but she did have money. I bought 3 copies if this one knowing my friends would scream "dibbs". They did. It's basically QEWU for Eleanor & Florence. Authors are on staff at the Pitti Palace home of Eleanor's burial gown. Text is Italian & English, side by side. The english leaves something to be desired. It can be both amusing and frustrating at times. Doublecheck by reading the Italian, if you can. (I cant, but fake it with French.) It's companion catalog "I Gioileria dei Medici" is lovely if you like 16th c gems & jewels. Italian only. Another catalog, that I didnt pick up, is the one for the exhibit "Maria de'Medici: una principessa fiorentina alla trona de Francia". The exhibit was stupendous. They've pulled things from Italian galleries and from galleries all over the world for this one. Italian only, as I recall. Better check. http://www.polomuseale.firenze.it/english/mostre/ --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 20:11:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j740BMrN030835 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j740An4o010476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j740AmwP002240; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j740Aikn002210 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 936 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2005 00:43:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:43:29 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <56269.162.119.64.110.1123114244.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > and my favorite: > "Moda a Firenze: Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua influenza" > No, she didnt have the flu, but she did have money. I bought 3 copies > if this one knowing my friends would scream "dibbs". They did. It's > basically QEWU for Eleanor & Florence. Authors are on staff at the > Pitti Palace home of Eleanor's burial gown. Text is Italian & > English, side by side. The english leaves something to be desired. It > can be both amusing and frustrating at times. Doublecheck by reading > the Italian, if you can. (I cant, but fake it with French.) I just ordered a copy via mail and it is fabulous!! Well worth the almost $100 that I paid for it. And I wasn't expecting it to be in english, too. That was a bonus. And I am sure that you paid much less than I did so make sure your friends appreciate how much money you saved them ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 21:43:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j741hkj2031534 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:43:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j741h3lW018707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j741gqPl053592; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j741gZKu053056 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.251.184]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 27166872 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:44:57 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c59895$ba8c67c0$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 113, in=120, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.251.184 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know of a directory, but I do know of some collections: Emily P. Reynolds Costume Collection North Dakota State University Fargo,ND http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/ercc/ The University of Nebraska-Lincoln Textiles, Clothing and Design Department Barbara Trout - Associate Professor, costume collection curator (402) 472-6371 btrout1@unl.edu Goldstein Museum of Design University of Minnesota http://goldstein.che.umn.edu/costume.html Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Hi, I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) and she asked: >Is there any directory of college and university historic dress collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware of any >directory? I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! Thanks in advance for your help, Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 23:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j743CVwj032309 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j743BlnM025729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743Bj6S098433; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743BfNY098397 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E6D5CFA1 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200818.03636cb0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:11:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images In-Reply-To: <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> <003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:06 AM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >I have often wondered, that there must be many portraits at the Louvre >Museum in Paris. Unfortunately i have never been there, but they must have >as many portraits from the period, as the english has. Dont know if there >are any french books arround. Hi Bjarne, I checked the online images from the Louvre, and while some were interesting for French hoods, all the images online are too small to be really usable, mainly because they take their images to include the lovely frames around the portraits as well. Great for seeing the overall image, but not as good when looking for details. Because you mention it, I went looking for one of my books I had overlooked. I own a French book of Jean Clouet's drawings, but my French is very rusty. I hope to scan the images in soon anyway, as there are a couple that would do very nicely. Thank you for your help and suggestions. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 3 23:32:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j743Wi8p032425 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j743VYfu027336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743VWeX007811; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743VTc4007757 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-67-174-79-13.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[67.174.79.13]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005080403312301400rhalke>; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:31:23 +0000 Message-ID: <016f01c598a5$026386f0$6701a8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:31:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Contact the textiles department at UT Austin. They have an extensive collection in their basement and in the libraries. Most of it is closed to the public because they are mainly used for Grad studies. I suspect that many larger universities also have such collections. All you need is one that has one to tell you about the others. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections > Hi, > I received an email today from the Dean of my department (the Library) > and she asked: > >>Is there any directory of college and university historic dress > collections? I know many land-grant universities >who used to have home > economics programs have some sort of dress collections. Are you aware > of any >>directory? > > I sent her URLs for some of the schools I could think of off the top of > my head, along with listings that were at the Costumer's Manifesto and > the Costume Society of America. But I couldn't think of anything that > was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually > maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. > > Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, > if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Kathy Hoover > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 00:40:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j744ecvt000346 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:40:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j744dqPe035693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744dmp3041020; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744djLP040933 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:39:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:39:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 04:39:40.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[86A2E100:01C598AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. 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Including Laudomia de'Medici? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 01:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7455bQg000603 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74555oR040512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:05:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7454vce054005; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7454ru9053919 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from riah@cox.net) Received: from faeriegirl ([68.224.97.80]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050804050445.MQEW16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@faeriegirl> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:04:45 -0400 From: "Alexis " To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:05:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Career Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j7455bQg000603 Status: RO This may sound a bit bizarre, but I really don't know where else to ask this and stand the chance of getting an informed answer. Over the past years I've been thinking of how to incorporate my love of costuming into a career and possibly a degree. I'd really like to finish college, but in doing so I want a degree I can use and feel good about spending an insane amount of money on. I've recently been thinking of getting into restoration. I'm really interested in the restoration/reproduction area of costuming but I don't know where to go from there. Is there a degree for such a thing? Or, more importantly, an actual job field for such a person? If so what category would such a degree or job position be under or titled? I essentially now know what I want to do, yet have zero clue as how to achieve it. I'd appreciate anything anyone has to say on the matter. Thanks for your time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:18:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747Igvd027237 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747I5cA057792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747I3RZ018801; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j743Bfb1098392 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9F5CF7F for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200521.0359d150@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:07:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images In-Reply-To: <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245> <42F0E3DD.3020806@uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 AM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >Kimiko, I'm so glad you are doing this! An image collection of French >hoods has been on the to-do list for a long time. <> Hi Hope, Thanks so much for your links. I will be using most of them on the revised page, and you pointed me to a couple of images others had suggested, but the names were unknown. And the side view from the coin was just wonderful to find. I really appreciate your help on this project. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747K3od027591 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747JaKG057870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747JZZQ019390; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j744IEOq030657 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050804041808.NXBA1901.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:08 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.168.22]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050804041807.GPHJ1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:07 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.0]); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:18:17 +1200 Message-ID: <001301c598ab$8a61ec30$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050802205440.0369d240@64.87.54.245><003601c59834$7f948b90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.1.2.0.20050803200818.03636cb0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1540s French Hood Images Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:14 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Because you mention it, I went looking for one of my books I had > overlooked. I own a French book of Jean Clouet's drawings, but my French is > very rusty. I hope to scan the images in soon anyway, as there are a couple > that would do very nicely. http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/clouet_francois.html bildindex has a few images that are interesting. And I know there is a great french site that has many many many images of his sketches. Jacond, which is also listed there. There are 77 images, many of whuich are depictions of women. Don't forget this page as well: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/nationalities/French.html To find other French artists on the web. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747KBMQ027607 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:20:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747JfIC057886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747JfYs019448; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-dav3.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7456lg8054830 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladylibertywon@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by BAY102-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 05:06:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [ladylibertywon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladylibertywon@hotmail.com From: "Lady Liberty" To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:05:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 05:06:42.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DBF9910:01C598B2] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j747KBMQ027607 Status: RO Hello, Bjarne :o ) I beg your forgiveness if you already know this, and I apologize if I make faux pas. I stand in such awe of the work you do, for you to mention the spot from the mosquito bite sparked memory. I realize historical clothing would have had such spots, but... what a shame for your garment to be marred. I always "twitch" when it happens to me lol I know most are aware of the lemon and sun treatment for stains on white, natural fabrics (my Grandmother taught me this one), but there is another treatment I learned of. If you have access to bottled spices, there is something called meat tenderizer which comes in a crystal form (looks similar to salt). It comes seasoned or unseasoned, and I used to get it in the US under the name of Adolph's. I've not found that one in Australia, but have found others, so I assume it is available world-wide. The unseasoned will appear white (I was always afraid the seasoned would stain, though never had it happen). If your garment can be soaked with cold water, or small part thereof, (and you have tested this treatment on a sample of your fabric and found it safe for the fiber and color) you then sprinkle the tenderizer on the spot and slightly work it in... being careful not to abrade your fabric. Let the spot soak for sometime in cold water with another generous sprinkle of the tenderizer atop the stain. Check it periodically, and if it needs to be sprinkled again or allowed to soak longer and the fabric is doing alright with that, let it soak until it appears gone. Rinse and wash as usual. I've been known to dissolve the tenderizer in water and let an entire garment soak for a week, but then it takes a sturdy, color/fabric for that ;o ) I have used this successfully on cottons and synthetics, both white and colored. I believe the reason this works is that it is made with papaya enzymes, which break down protein. Human body fluids are protein based, to my knowledge. If the fabric is of a protein based fiber or is dyed with protein dyes, I'd make absolutely sure to test a sample of the fabric before risking your garment. That said, I leave this treatment to your judgment. An aside: The treasure of my family has been the handing on of the needle arts generation to generation. Through necessity, I learned to rid my pieces of "needle prick marks" ;o ) Humbly, Susie Message: 10 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen (snip) Thanks Kate, I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 03:22:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j747MA8x027788 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j747Llxp058011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747Llqx020335; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j747Li26020308 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1E0a2w2z5n-0002sk; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c598c5$2e049a40$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Career Question: Education and going into business: (Long) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:21:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alexis, I am sorry for re-titling this post, but I am hoping that it will make it easier to find in the archives one day. Your questions are ones and several h-costume members in the past have asked these types of questions over the years. Since you didn't say where you were located, I will assume you are in the U.S. I remember when Margo started her pattern business and we discussed it on h-costume in great detail. You might want to check the archives for Margo's messages. Margo if you are still on h-costume can you please tell us what year you were starting your business. Education: Textile conservation is a field generally requires a degree. There are several universities that have a textile program. The programs are in all kinds of departments now, since the Home Economics title disappeared from most school catalogs. Maybe do a search for colleges for textile science, consumer sciences, etc. The schooling for textiles covers chemistry, burn tests, dyes, etc. I believe the state of North Carolina's universities have these types of program because of all the textile mills in the state. The reason you might want a degree in conservation is because of liability. When someone is wanting something conserved, they will want to see proof of your education and experience you have. College is also a good way to get internships in some of the nice conservations labs at museums. If I remember correctly Colonial Williamsburg wants graduate level students for internships in their textile conservation labs. BTW, there is a textile society of America. You might want to write them and ask what you need to have in education to go into textile conservation. I know in Richmond, VA we have a local society. As for the reproduction design business: You can learn a lot by reading h-costume. Several people are in business for themselves. You can also learn more in-depth costume history here than in most university costume history classes. The schools I attended required three semesters of costume history and two semesters of costume research. BUT because of a big cut in the funding of university art schools, the costume history classes are being squeezed into one semester. I have been listening to professors complain about this for a year or so. If you are interested in one certain time period to design for, maybe list members can suggest some good email lists for that specific period. If museums are available in your area with that period of costumes, ask to visit the storage areas to research. Going into business information: If you want to go into business, I do suggest that you take business classes. So many people start out in business and do not realize how much they needed that education until they go belly-up or the IRS is knocking at their door. You can take business classes at a community college, or the Small Business Administration (SBA). Either one is a lot cheaper than going through a university. The SBA will also assign you a business mentor. Even though the mentor may not have the same kind of business you will have, they can teach you rules that all businesses have to play by, examples: filing local, state, and federal taxes, book keeping for these govts., business licensing, business laws, trademarks, copyrights, self-employment taxes, etc. You can also learn from the SBA about networking, marketing strategies and planning, advertising, small business loans, business plans, etc. A business owners' education is an on-going process, even after being in business for several years... laws change, the market changes, new technologies, etc. Many businesses fail because they didn't have a firm understanding or education of how to run a business. The majority of businesses do not pull a profit in the first five years. Profits are re-invested back into the business. Something to look into, if you are planning a home-based business, check with your city or county has your home zoned to do so. My business is run out of my home and is zoned to do so. I know someone else had a home based business for a year. A neighbor reported her for having the business out of her home. Then she had to pay big fines to the county and the govt. shut down her business because her home was in an area that was not zoned for home-based businesses. Always check and don't assume! Another good source to look at are business magazines. My favorite business magazine is Entrepreneur. I have yet to see a fashion/costume business profiled, but I have learned so much from this magazine. Barnes & Noble has a nice selection of business magazines. I would call the SBA and ask what magazines do they suggest for a business. The federal govt. has several free publications about starting a small business. Some things to know about owning your own business: ***You never sleep the first few years. The business is on your mind 24 hours a day, especially a costume business. Every one wears clothes! Even while on vacation, watching TV, a film, etc. you are thinking about costumes. Overall, most business owners on average work 80 hours a week. ***Except if you have an investor lined up, plan to fund your business with your own money. Banks are very leery about making loans to start-up small businesses. ***Keep receipts on everything for the business. Make sure to document on the back of the receipt, the vendor/store name, what the item is for, the date of purchase, and sub-total before taxes. The ink on those receipts CAN fade over time and so can your memory. If you don't have it documented, the IRS will not count it as an expense. ***Be organized with your records and stay consistent over the years of your business. I use Microsoft Excel (spreadsheet) to keep all my business records. If you don't know how to use spreadsheet software, there are lots of classes at community colleges. Our county school system has adult education classes for very cheap prices. One class for is Excel for Small Businesses. I think it cost $60. If you put your records on a computer, have several backups copies, and paper hard copies. ***Hire a professional company to do your taxes. Get several referrals from others business owners in your area. Before hiring someone to do your taxes, have in writing that the tax preparer company will go to IRS meetings if you are audited. I learned this one the hard way. Many moons ago, I owned a home-based child care business. A private accountant did my taxes and verbally promised to go to bat with the IRS if I was audited. Well, I got audited for one year of taxes. The accountant disappeared! That one year audit, turned into a three year business audit, and my business owing $10,000 to the IRS. With my current business, I use a national tax-preparing business. Every year they hand me a contract with their signatures, stating that they will go to all IRS audits and interviews, AND they will pay the difference if there are any mistakes. A very hard lesson learned. BTW, this scary audit was what encouraged me to go back to college and take as many business classes as I could. My college professors told me, you don't have to take the accounting majors classes to be successful in business. But you do need to know enough accounting that if the accountant/bookkeeper is cheating you. I hope this advice helps you with your decision. Best of luck to you! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 08:34:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74CYsjT003968 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74CYAka092300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74CY6bu056873; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite1.mail.cornell.edu [128.253.83.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74CY31H056858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74CY2OM023090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:34:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid you not. Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > >And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed > >it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing > >wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a > >moskito bite. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:26:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DQPYr004415 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DPnr5096786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DPlI8085487; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j74DPit6085423 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080409253826193 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:25:38 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j74DPa3E015678 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004201c598f8$02ed3aa0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050802122602.HRSS9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flour Sack Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:25:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you get at WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? Or are you talking about the flour sacks that used to be in prints that women in the Great Depression used to make clothing? I would imagine that they are the same material, but don't know for sure. K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Flour Sack >I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses about the flour sack >fabric. > > Can you use the osnaberg for corsets or does it loosen up too much after > it has been washed? > > Sylvia - The osnaberg at the Joann's in Orlando seemed fairly stiff, not > as much as a duck cloth, but more than a broadcloth. I'm pretty sure I > looked at the information on the top of the bolt; I'll have to double > check it again. > > Thanks again for everyone's help! > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DgGY0004534 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DfYx1097828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DfVtP093339; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DfJT5093158 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.12d.61c46df0 (4552) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.61c46df0.302374eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Other things that sometimes work on blood stains-- meat tenderizer (the enzyme "eats" blood) the Carbona blood and milk formula Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:45:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74DjeuX004552 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74Dirsj098135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DidZM095170; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DiOi3095039 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.7f.6367f37f (4552) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.6367f37f.302375ad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:44:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Universities with Costume Collections To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:32:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: But I couldn't think of anything that was published and just referred to collegiate collections. Actually maybe she wouldn't mind an online list--she didn't specify. Does anyone know of any directories that I am unaware of? I told her, if anyone knows, it'll be you guys! The Costume Society of America's printed guide to costume collections in North America, including collegiate ones, I'm sure, is in press. It is being published by Texas Tech University Press and it should be out by May next year. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 09:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74Dp4Lb004596 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74DoVi4099093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DoTIC099645; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74DoQrl099622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1E0g6u-0006Od-3n; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:12 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:50:11 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting M Stewart : > > for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid > you not. > Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > I know that this seems counter-intuitive because many dye recipies call for salt to fix the dye -- but soak your item in salt water -- heavy on the salt. I learned this in Home Ec mumblety-mumble years ago and used it for getting out those ugly repetitive blood stains from underwear. Works like a charm -- usually soaking overnight does the trick. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 10:11:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74EBLAG004744 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74EAm46000784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EAkG6012089; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EAgqQ012044 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 01C1747FEDB for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005d01c598fe$4da792b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050803194704.TXGG9746.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:10:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen > Bjarne, > Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects > of working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very > easy to work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does > it breathe or is it oppresive? > > Thanks, > Wendi >Hi Wendi, Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 10:24:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74EOR39004878 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74EO1FM001934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74EO05U020183; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ENuvp020104 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [24.119.251.184]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 27367644 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:43:08 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Career Question Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:24:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c59900$33fa2b50$6601a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c598b2$20084260$6501a8c0@faeriegirl> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 117, in=102, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.251.184 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alexis-- Investigate colleges that have a textiles department. It's not really a conservation degree you want. Look into history of fashion or textile history. Sounds like you need to take some textiles classes, but your degree may actually be in history or art, or even education--whatever you have enough credits for. I think you need to talk to someone helpful in the department you are considering, and preferably in person. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexis Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:05 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Career Question This may sound a bit bizarre, but I really don't know where else to ask this and stand the chance of getting an informed answer. Over the past years I've been thinking of how to incorporate my love of costuming into a career and possibly a degree. I'd really like to finish college, but in doing so I want a degree I can use and feel good about spending an insane amount of money on. I've recently been thinking of getting into restoration. I'm really interested in the restoration/reproduction area of costuming but I don't know where to go from there. Is there a degree for such a thing? Or, more importantly, an actual job field for such a person? If so what category would such a degree or job position be under or titled? I essentially now know what I want to do, yet have zero clue as how to achieve it. I'd appreciate anything anyone has to say on the matter. Thanks for your time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 11:57:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74FvE0e005889 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74FuR9p017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:56:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Fu3Ac090684; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74FtsJC090522 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.51]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E0i4R-0005e3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:55:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1003/Thu Aug 4 08:43:24 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1003/Thu Aug 4 08:43:24 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What I heard many years ago was that your saliva will take out your own blood but not necessarily somebody else's. Is that true? I have in fact removed bloodstains with spit, but it was my blood and my spit.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" Sent: Aug 4, 2005 8:50 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen Quoting M Stewart : > > for Blood stains on Linen... put it in your mouth, and chew it out. I kid > you not. > Mari / Bridgette Linen worker for more than 20 years now. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 13:40:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74HehP6006887 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74HdvAW029705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HdHlX075966; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HYUK0071955 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so193067wra for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qGE8ZzHFsYmbekAcLD7kq339elaaYkt6P2CuX3P+U16e+p+Jt2sAFHNLctS76izCEd0rL0XsSmj9KvNeaOeb0IQ8htm2Q8k9e/a9pASG4x4ZM0DiDFhhShvGRUdNinSNIYKK/l+NtQmjJAuKuWZkhUfzUugNJrOJzDEgftpyTPw= Received: by 10.54.30.27 with SMTP id d27mr1729421wrd; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.37.42 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:25:04 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74HYUK0071955 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Using meat tenderizer is a good way to get rid of a stain that's been there for a while. The fastest, cheapest and easiest way to get rid of blood immediately - before it stains - is to use your own saliva. If I am sewing and get a blood drop on my work, I grab some thread, chew on it for a few seconds and lift the blood off right away with the wet wad of thread. The blood disappears and doesn't come back. This only works on your own blood; if you stick someone else, you need their saliva. If I'm wearing something and cut myself and don't have any thread, I will use my tongue to wet the blood spot; this too will work, but it looks pretty strange to others. Bjarne, I hope your stain comes out. Lynn On 8/3/05, Lady Liberty wrote: > Hello, Bjarne :o ) > > I beg your forgiveness if you already know this, and I apologize if I make faux pas. > > I stand in such awe of the work you do, for you to mention the spot from the mosquito bite sparked memory. I realize historical clothing would have had such spots, but... what a shame for your garment to be marred. I always "twitch" when it happens to me lol > > I know most are aware of the lemon and sun treatment for stains on white, natural fabrics (my Grandmother taught me this one), but there is another treatment I learned of. If you have access to bottled spices, there is something called meat tenderizer which comes in a crystal form (looks similar to salt). It comes seasoned or unseasoned, and I used to get it in the US under the name of Adolph's. I've not found that one in Australia, but have found others, so I assume it is available world-wide. The unseasoned will appear white (I was always afraid the seasoned would stain, though never had it happen). > > If your garment can be soaked with cold water, or small part thereof, (and you have tested this treatment on a sample of your fabric and found it safe for the fiber and color) you then sprinkle the tenderizer on the spot and slightly work it in... being careful not to abrade your fabric. Let the spot soak for sometime in cold water with another generous sprinkle of the tenderizer atop the stain. Check it periodically, and if it needs to be sprinkled again or allowed to soak longer and the fabric is doing alright with that, let it soak until it appears gone. Rinse and wash as usual. I've been known to dissolve the tenderizer in water and let an entire garment soak for a week, but then it takes a sturdy, color/fabric for that ;o ) I have used this successfully on cottons and synthetics, both white and colored. > > I believe the reason this works is that it is made with papaya enzymes, which break down protein. Human body fluids are protein based, to my knowledge. If the fabric is of a protein based fiber or is dyed with protein dyes, I'd make absolutely sure to test a sample of the fabric before risking your garment. That said, I leave this treatment to your judgment. > > An aside: The treasure of my family has been the handing on of the needle arts generation to generation. Through necessity, I learned to rid my pieces of "needle prick marks" ;o ) > > Humbly, > > Susie > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pros and cons, was Handkerchief Linen > > (snip) > > Thanks Kate, > I think i payed about 125 dollars back in 2000 for 1 meter of this > hankerchief linen. It original is used for making hankerchiefs edged with > very fine homemade point laces. I knew it from my time when i made laces. > And i thoaght it would be wonderfull for shirts and chemises. I have washed > it only about 2-3 times a year when i goes to events, and the only thing > wrong with it today is a tiny spot i got at the first event where i got a > moskito bite. It has not gotten thinner of wash and the quality is the same. > We have a special word for this linen in Denmark we call it Kammerdug, wich > could be translated to something about chamber cloth. It is the finest linen > available today, and the obstacle is sertanly the price. > However i only wash it by hand, no machine, but this is mostly because i > dont want to ruin my cotton lace wich is attached to it. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 13:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74HlVhq006972 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74Hi8Tu030150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Hi19L079617; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74HhmTD079377 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050804174342.PVUR16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! Thanks, Wendi Bjarne wrote: >Hi Wendi, >Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:04:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74I4rIW007106 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74I3iON032000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74I3Vbr095192; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74I3T9e095055 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so302812nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WZG07l3p1eopV6/9e+5ucPGnyI74ZbyPbdHPXPPKovfx2aT3eRmUNBhDlSgFExPjammO7L5WmG+tcwGQIAYp5ZEsgEhPG2QpUcq4V9O5etxMCr4jSDriPoI/ohnsZazFb9cMuYo8ixR5bVwlLSNj9MYVLLGQeeCDT4TiN8zq4cc= Received: by 10.36.158.3 with SMTP id g3mr31316nze; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.2.8 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:03:23 -0500 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen In-Reply-To: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74I3T9e095055 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On 8/4/05, wendirae@bellsouth.net wrote: > Bjarne, > I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! > Thanks, > Wendi I believe Bjarne's point was that of course it is cool and breathable - it is linen, famed for exactly those properties. I absolutely love handkerchief weight linen - I have one chemise of it, which is my favorite. I found some at a bargain once - the first time I went shopping for linen. I've kicked myself ever since for not buying the whole bolt. Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:29:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74ITtwF007304 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74ITP2i034559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ITGmN015135; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IT5ld014959 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 71788262854 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c59922$67f5d8b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174342.GNOA8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:29:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Wendi, Well i hav not used it in such hot weather conditions as you have, here in Scandinavia it is cooler. But i have dansed quite a lot of it in Bath, and have a waistcoat and a coat over it, and a tight stock kravat. It drinkes the sweat nicely, and i still am able to breathe in it! Bjarne From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen > Bjarne, > I apologize for the misunderstanding, I don't think I phrased the question > properly. I meant to ask if the fabric breathes well so that you will stay > cool without getting hot/overheated or having the fabric holding in too > much heat or moisture. It's important down here in Florida where the heat > and humidity are oppressive for several months out of the year! > Thanks, > Wendi > > Bjarne wrote: >>Hi Wendi, >>Of cause you can breathe in it, it is linen? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:33:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IX5IH007345 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IWXpu034836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IWWDk017669; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IWR5J017556 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IKP00IJTN8LTP30@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.40] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.72.165]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:45 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen In-reply-to: <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any kind of salt? table, sea, coarse, fine, iodized ?????? And does it matter that the 'stain' has been washed and dried already? Or does it have to be fresh? Katheryne of the many 'stained' items... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" >> I know that this seems counter-intuitive because many dye recipies > call for salt to fix the dye -- but soak your item in salt water -- heavy on the > salt. I learned this in Home Ec mumblety-mumble years ago and used it for > getting out those ugly repetitive blood stains from underwear. Works like a > charm -- usually soaking overnight does the trick. > Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:47:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IlHbN007437 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IkPvd036114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IkLq7027608; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IkGxw027509 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm56aec.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20050804174046.PNFX16961.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm56aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by ibm56aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate, It is very similar to the flour sack towels at W-S, but I'm looking for it on a bolt; like you would find regular fabric in a fabric store. Thanks, Wendi Kate wrote: >Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you >get at WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? >Or are you talking about the flour sacks that used to be >in prints that women in the Great Depression used to make >clothing? I would imagine that they are the same >material, but don't know for sure. >K _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74Ils4j007454 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IlI2q036188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IlH37028250; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Il681028108 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DC43C706 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42F262A6.8070207@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:02 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: linen blends References: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050802222859.54633.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kahlara wrote: > I have noticed that Joanne's sometimes appears to mix things up, but the local one is pretty limited that way...a huge selection of craft supplies, quilting, and home decor fabrics (that part isn't so bad actually). The actual garment fabric section takes up less than 1/4 of the fabric department and is heavily into fleeces and specialty (bridal/prom, baby, holiday) fabrics. Completely natural fabrics are hard to come by. :- ( > I find that the Joanne's stores vary quite a bit from location to location, as do their customers. I'm fortunate that there are two within driving distance so I can check both for natural fabrics. What sells out in one often ends up at the end of year clearance in the other, just a different neighborhood. So if you can check more than one store, do, because they don't have identical merchandise all the time. Joann's carries linen in the spring. If you hit the end of season clearance you can sometimes get it cheap. They've had linen on clearance now for a month or two, and are doing the last couple of blow-out sales this month to get rid of as much spring and summer fabric as possible to make way for the holiday and fleece stuff. I got some almost gauze weight linen in June in black and tan for something like $2 a yard. This late in the summer I'd be hard pressed to find anything, though. Unfortunately, the last two years embroidered linen has been the thing, and that's mostly what's left on the shelves, if anything. I almost wish they'd go back to electric blue and pink, which can at least be dyed over. Every now and then they do those $1-$3 a yard sales, where they buy a random truckload of bolt ends from god-knows-where. Most of it is awful, but I've found some nice linen and silk in those piles by getting there early on the first day of the sale. I have much better luck buying wool at Hancocks, which just seems to carry a better selection of it to begin with. Check the prices carefully, because they will mix plain solid color $5 wool in with the $15 checkered suit wools with no sign alerting you to such bargains. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 14:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74IpBcZ007491 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74IoXT5036420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IoU1v030596; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74IoR8q030457 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so309454nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Sphi4tu8j4KvMuB8z0BzyVZyg6/GVhWBwDoOE1ZzfyyMIuXboh5C1rVY6YYYdRvOTnrXlx2rGVdTR77+9Y5EPOR74SJpfFW0aGMqXjrnCHjsJGI95B5rUCxcpsFNRe7lMiKbPm4IrMTdMTGAk9pBTbE5wP8O8567x4lZeuWH4m0= Received: by 10.37.15.5 with SMTP id s5mr814158nzi; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:21 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j74IoR8q030457 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All color! >*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different museum. Is there something else you're thing of? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 15:02:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74J2cFG007692 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74J1dvi037560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74J1Sdi038559; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74J1EXV038494 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.163]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BE175EE02E for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:01:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c59926$eaa6bcd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:01:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] blood stains linens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is fresh, and for the salt it is the same. The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 16:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74KIuXH008702 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74KBgTb044322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74ImLJN028897; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74Ilj8P028530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1E0kkk-0002aD-Ca; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 Message-ID: <20050804134738.e935534nwps0cogo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:47:38 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050804083303.0198faf0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <20050804085011.h5ppac5ejx1c00s8@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting purplkat@optonline.net: > Any kind of salt? table, sea, coarse, fine, iodized ?????? We just used plain old table salt. > > And does it matter that the 'stain' has been washed and dried > already? Or does it have to be fresh? Truthfully, I don't remember. I know that it doesn't matter if it's dried; but I don't know if washing makes any difference. I want to say that it doesn't, but ... (as my mother would say) I've slept since then! At any rate, it couldn't hurt. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 18:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74M5mEK010583 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:05:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74M4m1C056813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74M4eoZ074185; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav10.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74M4LD8073916 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:04:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.202 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:04:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.202] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 22:04:14.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[73B36320:01C59940] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>> color! >>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? > > No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois > Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different > museum. I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the Pitti catalog my father in law brought back when he want to Italy (no pic, but the info is there). I even had the room and the inventory number (I put it somewhere *safe* so, of course, now I can't find it). I'll have to ask to see that catalog again next time I see him, and figure out if it's written as being somewhere else. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 18:27:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74MRQPP010801 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74MQvCG058971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74MQaG4090204; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j74MQLKh089926 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41369 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2005 22:26:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mPAJfBmp7/gzvHUZfAlLd1IumQtT/hdQ+1tQeVQ2n1ghir8pl/MCNfALHeM/it0Uy2VC6F33LX81SkLy/4UiPe5HFaUs1opolL9/taNmKNKZ1JexeleTKf7dSXjek8WBUqShHVAi/d9YhpUGtFxQcEPerMyJwz3VlH5LmULpmQo= ; Message-ID: <20050804222615.41367.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:26:14 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508040718.j747Ibri019018@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: need someone to make belt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not from that area, but have you tried The Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild? http://www.gbacg.org/index.htm original message Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:57:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Subject: [h-cost] Need someone to make belt Does anyone know where in the San Francisco area I can get a belt made to go with a vintage buckle? I have a big, heavy 20th-century enameled buckle (probably brass) with a very simple but unusual closure. It's Art Nouveau style but made in the later 20th century, probably an Oriental import. It has a blue suede belt that, aside from being worn, is blue. I almost never wear blue. Anyway, I want to replace the belt with an identical one in some shade of brown that goes with the buckle (which is brass color, dark blue, and red). Anyone know a reliable leatherworker who can do this at a reasonable price? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 19:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j74NGnvU011421 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j74NFA3B063770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74NEqWd022286; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j74NEl3P022202 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A26E7A5AE for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au (b2ABC.static.pacific.net.au [203.100.229.188]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:42 +1000 Message-ID: <1123197282.42f2a162dc327@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:42 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blood stain in linen References: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <28762842.1123170947715.JavaMail.root@wamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What I heard many years ago was that your saliva will take out your own blood > but not necessarily somebody else's. It's an old wives' tale built out of coincidence, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:05:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7515a7p012941 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7514kMC073657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7514dSx081573; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7514ao9081547 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j7514WHJ015713 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008301c59959$a3386b90$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:03:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Laudomia's listed in my copy of the Pitti's catalog, not shown though. It's an older copy - I bought it about 5 years ago or so. I'm not home so I don't know the publication date. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks >> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >>>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>>> color! >>>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? >> >> No, my treasure, the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois >> Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different >> museum. > > I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the > Pitti catalog my father in law brought back when he want to Italy (no pic, > but the info is there). I even had the room and the inventory number (I > put it somewhere *safe* so, of course, now I can't find it). I'll have to > ask to see that catalog again next time I see him, and figure out if it's > written as being somewhere else. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:24:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j751OREw013151 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j751O6Xd074816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751O1p5090225; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751Nw0L090204 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 766973031 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c5995c$6302b550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It is very similar to the flour sack towels at W-S, but I'm looking for it > on a bolt; like you would find regular fabric in a fabric store. >>Are you talking about the flour sack dish towels tha you >get at >>WilliamSonoma? That are a very soft white cotton? >Or are you talking >>about the flour sacks that used to be >in prints that women in the Great >>Depression used to make >clothing? I would imagine that they are the same >> >material, but don't know for sure. I would suggest that you check the hand of some authentic flour sacks before substituting. The actual fabric used to make sacks for flour is *very* different from the pieces of white cotton sold as "flour sack towels". The cotton sold as flour sack towels is close to the feel of the original sacks AFTER it had been used and used and used. Towels were often the last of a long line of things made from the fabric. Next stop was the rag bin. The new fabric taken from a freshly emptied sack of flour has a lot more substance to it. Much more firm and dense. Once it had been made into curtains or clothing, then remade a time or two, then handed down a few times, it started feeling much softer and thinner. I'm not well versed in clothing terminology, but new flour sacking feels a lot more like fine, dense canvas or denim than those white towels. Denise landofoz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 4 21:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j751ght4013287 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j751gGrG076054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j751gFGq098458; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j751gBq9098421 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2005 02:15:05 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:15:05 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all.... Strangely enough, today I met a lady who has a company that cleans up crime scenes. Since we were having this discussion on the list, I asked what she thought about getting blood out of things. Before I even finished asking the questions, she said "H2O2" also known as hydrogen peroxide. I asked her about the meat tenderizer and she confirmed that it would also work. So, being that she does this kind of thing for a living.....I'd say these two are verified by an expert. Now whether or not your fabric will handle them is another matter. I say make sure and test a small, inconspicuous area. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 00:13:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j754Dk5b014976 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:13:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j754D2am088180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j754Crw8066753; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j754Bhes066367 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6A83A1F6 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:17:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42F2E700.1030705@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:11:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protein Based Stain Removal: Was Pros and cons, Handkerchief Linen References: <8296995c05080410252be6a263@mail.gmail.com> <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1073.67.188.164.116.1123206131.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > Hello all.... > > Strangely enough, today I met a lady who has a company that cleans up > crime scenes. Since we were having this discussion on the list, I asked > what she thought about getting blood out of things. Before I even > finished asking the questions, she said "H2O2" also known as hydrogen > peroxide. I asked her about the meat tenderizer and she confirmed that it > would also work. Hydrogen peroxide and clean water rinses have worked for me. It's also useful for mild bleaching of vegetable-based stains, such as tomato sauce and sometimes mud. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 08:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75CfAbK020342 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:41:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75CeL5d047350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75CeEGY062940; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75CeB61062884 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080508400501787 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:40:05 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j75Ce33E009707 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01c599ba$d2186cb0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050729163843.29958.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bran vs sawdust Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sawdust from a bandsaw is much more consistently fine than from a table saw or radial arm saw -- that from a belt sander will be even finer. Try a cabinet making shop or a theatre. Even college maintenance shops. Kate > > My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a fashion > accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, for > anything but the shortest-term use. > > The reason being -- if bran has enough nourishment in it to be fed to > horses, it also has enough nourishment in it to attract bugs. Having a > couple of pincushions riddled with carpet-bettle holes was quite enough to > convince me to use sawdust in the future. > > Crumbled and finely sifted peat moss from the garden store works, too. > -- > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 13:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75HupD2026726 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:56:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75HuAQ7099420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75HsnHU068436; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f7.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75HsZdK068210 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:54:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:54:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200508050413.j754Cv6w066853@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:54:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 17:54:29.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA588B60:01C599E6] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Hi, >I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is >fresh, and for the salt it is the same. >The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. >I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't want to damage some other threads? So that's out. Have you tried lying it out in the sun for a while? You may not get the level of sun that we get here, but sun bleaching linen is a time honored process. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 14:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75ILD50027053 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75IK8xl003118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75IJw07086184; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75IJni6086076 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f2d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.45]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B1EFE5EE03D for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:19:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c599ea$45effd40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:19:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Mark, Really it does not matter that much with this blod stain. It is on my left breastpart, and a gentleman is never to be seen only in a shirt. So i always have the waistcoat and jacket on. Nobody will ever know, except you whom i told you this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens > >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Hi, >>I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is >>fresh, and for the salt it is the same. >>The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. >>I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. > > I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't > want to damage some other threads? So that's out. Have you tried lying > it out in the sun for a while? You may not get the level of sun that we > get here, but sun bleaching linen is a time honored process. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:38:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mca90031216 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:38:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MbsoQ041649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MbkbO061460; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j756nBJl030086 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so386175nzd for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ts+AE+n0kIVS//aWMq5364XWqO4CFPpaT2UOr50s0czmjiMpsYgizPFoLsY5TeBTHQJVdWrqHZgfBazU4E7GjGoaNHV+rTzqLhzqbYkIpajJcr4mk64xXfXYNydyeL+XB9Evl3vp69Ol9r6ju3n+QA6umSw7BYdlfR6O0DjQyW8= Received: by 10.37.15.80 with SMTP id s80mr723766nzi; Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.75.18 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:49:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j756nBJl030086 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Moda a Firenze and other costume sourcebooks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>>> The new Uffizi & Pitti Palace painting catalog. All the stuff. All >>>> color! >>>*All* the stuff? Including Laudomia de'Medici? > >> ..., the picture of Laudonia that's shown in Francois >> Boucher's book, lives in the Galleria Antichi e Moderna. Different >> museum. >I thought that was at the Pitti, since it's catalogued at the end of the >Pitti catalog my father in law brought back .... Perhaps it was on loan to the Pitti? That reminds me, tho'. Buoncastilo in Trento (lovely castle, just restored) had a full length, life-size painting that they called Laudonia de'Medici. My photos didnt come out (I had to shoot from out of the room cuz the museum guards were too unfriendly for my secret powers to charm. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mg4KK031249 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MfWqC042103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MfVVH063884; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw3.mccc.edu (navgw3.mccc.edu [198.133.170.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75CZh7T061101 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw3.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005080508353801768 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:35:38 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j75CZZ3E009558 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006801c599ba$32b310d0$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050804174046.GMKK8550.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <008b01c5995c$6302b550$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Makes sense that it would be a stronger, firmer feel. I can't image those towels holding much flour. Kate > The new fabric taken from a freshly emptied sack of flour has a lot more > substance to it. Much more firm and dense. Once it had been made into > curtains or clothing, then remade a time or two, then handed down a few > times, it started feeling much softer and thinner. > > I'm not well versed in clothing terminology, but new flour sacking feels a > lot more like fine, dense canvas or denim than those white towels. > > Denise > landofoz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 18:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75Mo6Ri031613 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75MngBN042968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75MnfmU068629; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75JT2rS033441 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0356.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.101]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881AFBE8E6 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:28:57 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75N1XIA032579 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N11ST043966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N10Pk075074; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from p03m115.mxlogic.net (p03m115.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N0tVF075001 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [199.184.176.8] by p03m115.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.12.0-00) with SMTP id bafe3f24.1610574768.98967.p03m115.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:59:01 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:59:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8F71F@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bran vs sawdust Thread-Index: AcWaEAD8ZQzj6no8RkedkDzEQ4pergAAPCWg From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2005 22:59:02.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[459102A0:01C59A11] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005070601)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [199.184.176.8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j75N0tVF075001 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Bran vs sawdust X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My experience making pincushions (ObCostume: surely these are a > fashion accessory? ) has led me to prefer sifted sawdust over bran, > for anything but the shortest-term use. I've found that I much prefer the sand used by chinchilla owners for their pets to bath in. It can be found at larger pet stores, and has the advantage of keeping the pointy bits nice and sharp, not to mention that it never breaks down. One caveat - do NOT get it in your eyes! Kate McClure Speaking from gritty experience _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75N3b77032674 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N34D4044209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N34Zi076352; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75N2xrw076309 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-29297); Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:02:30 -0700 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.106) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:02:20 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050805155928.030f81e0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:00:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> References: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very sweet! =D> Joan At 12:28 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. >Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have >a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ >So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute >costume for her. >http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg >http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg > >Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 19:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j75NAako000358 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j75N9X8o044767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j75N9WMR079883; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j75N9Rj4079768 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25202 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2005 23:09:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=htNNZps61ekBwtvmaMFaC3EeXEgLl36yFaldEOPJ8VJslVyg/on0e96QxW5Wd56nufavnwzzVVBwcQMHg1QhSd8TFgOpdeBDaD+VG/hWXJOboqdVkAsiB3MSZU4iBryD7Bl0JQ4eSeRPtdFDkqp8fer1r03eZXnHAbwcT4/jUnY= ; Message-ID: <20050805230922.25200.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.104.98] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:09:22 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO THAT is to darned cute! My 6 yr. old now want her sheep backpack dressed up too :0 Thanks for the idea Chris G. Deredere Galbraith wrote: Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 21:14:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j761ESdh001801 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j761CneD055503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j761CiX7036287; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j761CdKg036196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j762bl8U013947 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:37:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:12:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508052112.28949.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 05 August 2005 3:28 pm, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. > Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a > medieval dress!!!!! :-[ > So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume > for her. > http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg > http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg That's....incredible! Or incredibly cute (take your pick). Thanks for sharing! -- Cathy Raymond "So what if the universe is a pointless mass of hydrogen refuse powered by entropy. I'm spreading ketchup on a rubber duck, and after that I'm going to brush its teeth. So there."-- Rob Landley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 5 22:41:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j762fTZ4002461 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j762eVU4063469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j762eN7C073175; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j762eJoA073107 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1707 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 02:40:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AN2QEX+Q5tvoIZMEuddDFzWAtCW0ddru6/56lFCQhx27NRKgTRXbW1Fe06zsm/8Mpb3e3GBLq+2kNuKverHV4F9AVw072kXT8O11wUZDX126CwzhQjJG1Glwz41p1/91WU3iLwuIimjfubX5ROdi0QsE9abgJPFM+i7KIgyR2Vo= ; Message-ID: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:40:14 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had mentioned earlier that we are having a Medieval themed wedding next June. I think I have my dress narrowed down. In the 'Medieval Costume of England and France' by Mary Houston she includes four line drawings taken from "The Lady and The Unicorn" tapestries. I really like them. I also found a reproduction tapestry company that has all six. I'm assuming that their estimated age - created sometime between 1490 and 1511 - is correct. http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/lady-with-the-unicorn.html I can't decide between using 'sense of hearing' and 'sense of touch' as a template, but I'm leaning towards sense of hearing. Anyway, my questions are... 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) 2. What sort of ornamentation/embellishments were typical of that time? The pictures vary in their clarity, but it definitely looks like the neckline, cuffs, and trim of the surcotte are adorned with 'ouches' or something of the sort. Was embroidery used at all for embellishing clothing yet? 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? 4. Would these be considered French fashion of the time? And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. Annette M --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 00:17:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j764HX0Y003337 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j764GSv8070873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j764GP9g010281; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j764GMhl010251 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l237j.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.243] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E1G6f-0000Pi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050805230858.03348ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:15:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200508052248.j75Mm59Y067705@net.indra.com> References: <200508052248.j75Mm59Y067705@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: spot on linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here in the U.S., at least, you can get something called a "bleach pen". It is a gel form of bleach (so it doesn't run, and only minimally soaks in) in an applicator similar to a felt tip pen without the felt (tiny hole in tip). It is designed for applying to tiny spots on white areas where you wouldn't want to bleach the whole thing. I use it on my modern white tops that have lots of colored embroidery - I'm always spilling something on them. You can then put the treated item in regular wash - the tiny amount of bleach doesn't affect other things. You might be able to experiment with mixing a drop of bleach with a drop of liquid soap or something else thick, and applying with a toothpick or similar. Test first, obviously. (side comment - fiber artists have begun using these pens to get intricate designs in discharge dyeing.) Sandy At 05:48 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >From: "Marc Carlson" >Subject: [h-cost] RE: blood stains linens > > >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >Hi, I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is > >fresh, and for the salt it is the same. > >The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things. > >I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it was two late. > >I'm a believer in bleach, even on linen, but I understand that you don't >want to damage some other threads? So that's out. > >Marc "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 01:14:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j765Erdg004367 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:14:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j765EJhT074772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765EHdR033438; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1.socket.net [216.106.88.177] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765EEeh033419 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27063C2F2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D04AD439 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:14:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This not my period of interest,but my best guess is that it is her hair wrapped in ribbon. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 01:32:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j765WaEJ004776 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:32:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j765Vu2R075876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765Vs06039470; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j765VnrO039431 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07143 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. In-Reply-To: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn tapestries > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the > fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a number of elements that I've seen only in allegorical or fantasy figures in art of this period; she is essentially being represented as a goddess or otherwise other-worldly figure. The Lady's maid is dressed closer to reality in most part, though with some elements that are probably still fantasy. The headdresses in particular are not trustworthy, though there are some recongizably fashionable elements about some of them. Also, I would not take literally the heavy jeweled borders (particularly jewels on the hem), and I'm a little leery of the placement of the overdress slits. In some cases the layering is nonsensical if you compare what's visible at hem, sleeves, and neckline -- that is, to make certain of the ensembles work, you have to fake layers, which technically might have been done but most likely represents a fantasy representation (more like stage costume) rather than a reflection of actual practice. You can certainly come up with some lovely dresses based on the tapestry figures -- I've done it myself -- but it would probably take you a very long time of research (and much comparison with other Franco-Flemish art of this period) to get a sense of which elements are likely based in period practice and which ones the period viewer would have recognized as fanciful or allegorical. If you want to produce something documentably accurate as real-people wear, don't start here. If you want to produce something that embodies the period ideal of beauty and luxury, then this is a good model. > And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these > tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. By Tracy Chevalier, the same author who wrote "Girl with a Pearl Earring," which in my mind was better. For "The Lady With the Unicorn," Chevalier obviously did a lot of research into the tapestry-weaving industry, but it's clear that she doesn't have a thorough understanding of costume; her fleeting references to the characters' clothing are vague (possibly deliberately, to avoid making errors, though she still makes a few), and she completely overlooks the highly significant clothing of the figures in the tapestries, though she does dwell on the symbolic and realistic elements of the other items in the tapestries. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 17:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76LA8Pt030284 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76L8bLA053400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76L8Sd3001942; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76L8EJV001826 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j76L8A4G027428 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:59:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elj019508@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress who cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the belgian versions seen on this site, but there are fine books available of the French tapestries. That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. If I were making this (and there's one version on the French tapestries that I think is charming, bizarre though it is), I would use false hair the same color as my own. To me, it looks like false hair wrapped with ribbons and sort of draped around the had or headcovering or whatever you call it. There doesn't seem to be any attempt to make it look like her real hair -- there's no where for it to have come from! I made a sort of hat inspired by a different fantasy medieval artwork. I don't remember the original (gasp!) but it looked just like a long, long hank of fake hair wrapped with ribbons and tied around the head like a ribbon, with the two long ends making a big tail. So that's what I did. It looked just like the original, but I used really cheap hair and it drove me nuts. Little pieces kept getting out, they were like spun plastic and stuck everywhere. So if you do use hair, spend a few bucks on it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 18:18:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76MIGOs030959 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76MHQ39058151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MHNqw028332; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MHLDc028279 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc76.asp.att.net[204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005080622171601300cielne>; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:17:16 +0000 Received: from [67.183.232.182] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:17:15 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Handkerchief Linen Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:17:15 +0000 Message-Id: <080620052217.16528.42F536EB0007EC600000409022064244130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personally, I find this material the best to wear in hot muggy weather. I have several yards of it to make 'modern full length and half slips. I don't know if the cotton slips are showinf up other plcwa, but here in Everett, WA the Target store has been carrying cotton slips foe a while and I love them. But I think linen would be better. I also love the feel of the linen on my skin... But, as I menrioned, it's just my personal preference. Elena (not the other Elena with a web page) -------------- Original message -------------- > Bjarne, > Thanks for the information. By Pros and Cons it means good and bad aspects of > working with and wearing the fabric. So based on your email is is very easy to > work with, albeit expensive, but is it uncomfortable to wear? Does it breathe or > is it oppresive? > > Thanks, > Wendi > Bjarne wrote: > > >Hi Wendi, > >I dont know what you mean with Pros and Cons is, but i >have imported the most > expensive and lovely handkerchief >linen from Rotterdam. I made my 18th century > gentlemans >shirt of it, and it is very very lovely to work with, >irons well, > washes well, and alas very very expensive. >Also my stock cravat is made of this > material. > > > >Let me know what this pros and cons are. > > > >Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 18:40:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76Mep5D031122 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76MeDvI059846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76MeAZG037093; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76Me7Zi037065 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14573 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:01:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:01:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: unicorn tapestries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Yes, they're more fantasy than anything else, but for a wedding dress > who cares? They would all be lovely. I am not familiar with the > belgian versions seen on this site, but there are fine books available > of the French tapestries. In particular, the Cluny Museum sells a catalog about them, with large fold-out color images and lots of close-ups. It comes in an English version, too. My copy is La Dame a la Licorne, by Alain Erlande-Brandenburg (Paris: Editions de la Reunion des Musees Nationaux, 1979), ISBN 2711801187. I have used mine so much that the binding is in pieces. > That's her hair sticking out like a tassle. If I were making this (and > there's one version on the French tapestries that I think is charming, > bizarre though it is), I would use false hair the same color as my > own. To me, it looks like false hair wrapped with ribbons and sort of > draped around the had or headcovering or whatever you call it. There > doesn't seem to be any attempt to make it look like her real hair -- > there's no where for it to have come from! I've made it work both on me (with my own hair) and on a friend (with a long blonde wig). Separate the hair into two halves down the back. Cross the two tails, and wrap each with ribbon while pulling it around and up the opposite sides of the head. Where they meet, use the ribbon to tie them together and then wrap them into a single tassel. If you do this over a draped velvet headdress such as is shown, you can make it sit so that it sticks up and the loose ends of hair at the top spout like a fountain -- really bizarre but just like the picture. This was part of the show-and-tell for a dress and textiles session that covered pavilions and the Unicorn Tapestry costumes, at the Medieval Congress in 1990. To drum up a little interest, we set up a tableau display on the theme of the tapestries, though by no means an exact reproduction of any of them. My research partner Verna Rutz brought the red-and-gold pavilion she made, which is quite similar to the one in the final tapestry, and I made the costumes for the Lady (played by Emilysue Pinnell, now Reichardt) and her maid (me). The Lady's costume was mostly based on the one in A Mon Seul Desire (the pavilion tapestry) with the headdress from Hearing and the neckline from Smell, and the Maid's was mostly like the one in the Smell tapestry. Emilysue played her vielle, and she and Verna also brought two enormous stuffed toys -- a unicorn and a lion -- to add to the atmosphere. It was amusing ;-) Emilysue, I believe, still has the Lady's costume, and I still have the Maid's, which would serve quite well as a reasonable fashionable dress, though I suspect it would be rather tight on me now. I'm still pleased with the cuts, but I had to make some concessions in fabrics to achieve the "look." I used drapery brocades and moires (which were probably mostly rayons and acetates), and recycled a velvet bedspread (probably cotton, but it had a nice uniform texture and no crushing problem). They all looked exactly right and behaved surprisingly well, and I frankly don't think I could find silk in those patterns and textures anyway, so it was probably as close as I could get short of having the fabrics made specially. I did use a lot of glass jewels and brass studs instead of real jewels and gold, of course, but then the quantity of gold and jewels on the Lady's dresses probably wasn't realistic anyway (which was the point of the paper). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 19:12:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76NC7FA031352 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76NB3oj062028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76NB1Fs048432; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j76NAwlr048377 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44162 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 23:10:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TenZJpIFFtX+x1JsOxEjoibMVm4U8lfY1XzknDcLkODizgxDQvG2NghIml12UGA1M7YX/2jrxJcSdDc3vUZuJCXesbEMx9z1amNJ2ZK2euIEkfpVaaThgdX/729qv1XI/Hfqqz7zHaOY9qdXZcr2R8GVQ1LkoqsDTJXSKCcPDJU= ; Message-ID: <20050806231052.44160.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:10:52 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elk019508@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Robin, That's why I asked. :- ) All that ornamentation seemed excessive. (and more than I wanted to deal with too!) I love research, so hopefully my enthusiasm won't run out before I find the answers I need. I did by chance happen to find a little thing about headdresses late last night that had just one example that was very similar and was referenced as German. Appeared to be a rondelle? with a brooch or cabochon and plume at the front with a veil in back. Not the same, but similar. >>From: Kahlara Subject: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. I had mentioned earlier that we are having a Medieval themed wedding next June. I think I have my dress narrowed down. In the 'Medieval Costume of England and France' by Mary Houston she includes four line drawings taken from "The Lady and The Unicorn" tapestries. I really like them. I also found a reproduction tapestry company that has all six. I'm assuming that their estimated age - created sometime between 1490 and 1511 - is correct. http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/lady-with-the-unicorn.html I can't decide between using 'sense of hearing' and 'sense of touch' as a template, but I'm leaning towards sense of hearing. Anyway, my questions are... 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) 2. What sort of ornamentation/embellishments were typical of that time? The pictures vary in their clarity, but it definitely looks like the neckline, cuffs, and trim of the surcotte are adorned with 'ouches' or something of the sort. Was embroidery used at all for embellishing clothing yet? 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? 4. Would these be considered French fashion of the time? And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn tapestries > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the > fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a number of elements that I've seen only in allegorical or fantasy figures in art of this period; she is essentially being represented as a goddess or otherwise other-worldly figure. The Lady's maid is dressed closer to reality in most part, though with some elements that are probably still fantasy. The headdresses in particular are not trustworthy, though there are some recongizably fashionable elements about some of them. Also, I would not take literally the heavy jeweled borders (particularly jewels on the hem), and I'm a little leery of the placement of the overdress slits. In some cases the layering is nonsensical if you compare what's visible at hem, sleeves, and neckline -- that is, to make certain of the ensembles work, you have to fake layers, which technically might have been done but most likely represents a fantasy representation (more like stage costume) rather than a reflection of actual practice. You can certainly come up with some lovely dresses based on the tapestry figures -- I've done it myself -- but it would probably take you a very long time of research (and much comparison with other Franco-Flemish art of this period) to get a sense of which elements are likely based in period practice and which ones the period viewer would have recognized as fanciful or allegorical. If you want to produce something documentably accurate as real-people wear, don't start here. If you want to produce something that embodies the period ideal of beauty and luxury, then this is a good model. > And no, I didn't know there was a fictional book based on these > tapestries until I started looking for pictures of them. By Tracy Chevalier, the same author who wrote "Girl with a Pearl Earring," which in my mind was better. For "The Lady With the Unicorn," Chevalier obviously did a lot of research into the tapestry-weaving industry, but it's clear that she doesn't have a thorough understanding of costume; her fleeting references to the characters' clothing are vague (possibly deliberately, to avoid making errors, though she still makes a few), and she completely overlooks the highly significant clothing of the figures in the tapestries, though she does dwell on the symbolic and realistic elements of the other items in the tapestries. --Robin ***************************************** --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 19:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j76NDs87031372 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j76NCxTV062157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j76NCxLu049027; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.102]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j76NCtYi048986 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81595 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2005 23:12:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gCM52f3IAmDboIk+hxs82+o5COR5lSvEdOa2wn67i4kC3nVcMUw2ADta6OWPhXPij+5tGmrpFYz+wCYOAxXoqjHgEwTB23SsUwLUNhOeDojXCjLIU5Y4nWmPcnrV1ttW8A9U9Nt3m+RhSdgAhrjrA7FRw6tKC1TrU2GOSjuhsGE= ; Message-ID: <20050806231250.81593.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.58.38] by web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:12:50 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200508061800.j76I0Elk019508@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly ot costume fun X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is so cute! From: Deredere Galbraith Subject: [h-cost] Slightly ot costume fun To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <42F3BDF9.3050405@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Tomorrow we will go to a medieval/fantasy fair. Yeasterday I realized that my cute little bunny backpack didn't have a medieval dress!!!!! :-[ So today I searched trough my fabric leftovers and made a cute costume for her. http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mb.jpg http://www.mystictimes.nl/MBunny/Mbb.jpg Greetings, Deredere __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 21:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77152Z1032709 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77144re071842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7713uAw090592; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7713rA4090553 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from argenthal@comcast.net) Received: from COMPUTER (pcp09142381pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net[69.142.192.249]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005080701034801400qeugle>; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c59aeb$dc23c150$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> From: "Valerie Frank" To: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:03:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Bloodstain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j77152Z1032709 Status: RO Have you tried Hydrogen Peroxide--the same kind you use for antiseptic and hair bleaching? A nurse at an emergency room reccomended it after my Mom took a fall. Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 22:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j772AfsH000654 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7729EPH076459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77297xn015279; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77294sk015249 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-115.cvip.net [129.8.205.115]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A51051726; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050806185721.0371a0f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:08:54 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, CVCostumers@yahoogroups.com, GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French Hood images revised X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all again, I've injured my shoulder & back doing many scans and enlargements so I had to take a couple of days away from the computer. But I've been a busy bee updating the French hood image page for all the images people have sent me links of. I thank them all (and they are noted on the pages). They now range in time from pre 1500s to the 1570s (so far). With the many images coming in, and more still to scan, I've moved everything to its own research section. Old pages will refresh to the new pages. But here is the new url. Renaissance Research: French Hood Images http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood Please, keep those images coming. I have learned so much from seeing these various images, it's really opened my eyes. I hope this helps others with their research as well. Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 6 22:44:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j772iiex000973 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j772iKBg082194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j772iJqq029720; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j772iFQX029680 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id 6.8.6dec6fc3 (3699) for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <8.6dec6fc3.3026cf76@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:44:06 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5119 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion plates website 1870's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 7/23/2005 1:00:41 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: At 08:49 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote: >It might be this >http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/costumehistweb/index.html > >For ealier plates I have several sites marked on my links page. > >Suzi > >www.suziclarke.co.uk Oooooohhh, thanks for sharing that link. I've been wanting to do an 1870s bustle gown, but haven't done the research for it yet. I have definitely bookmarked that site for later. Kimiko Have you tried the Truly Victorian website for patterns from 1830-1900? They are thoroughly researched and well made patterns and the owner/designers - Heather and Laura MacNaughton -- have often taught at Costume College in Van Nuys. It it well worth a look if you are even thinking of doing anything in early bustle, natural form or late bustle period. Plus the pictures of what others have made from their patterns are to die for! Good luck. Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 01:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j775fogk002985 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:41:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j775eGig092251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j775e7pL088464; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j775e4Ih088455 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 23:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from pcp0010981916pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1E1dtD2Z9l-0000tn; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 01:40:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c59b12$768fcf60$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c59aeb$dc23c150$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bloodstain Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:40:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am coming in late on this one. Is the blood stain more than 24 days old? For 24 hours or less, I use cold water and dove soap and scrub with an old toothbrush. Its always worked. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 05:57:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j779vGKQ018936 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 05:57:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j779tJaT015099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j779t5Of071068; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j779sxwL071032 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E9342395; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb22.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.42f2f728.14827; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C9dpzk9demwIAAAAE,9d4166c7736c2fd85d9133d78fa273b0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: TheCostumersManifesto , The Renaissance Tailor , Reconstructing History , Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050807025459.85142F8E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, to everyone on the lists, Please forgive if you receive this message more than once - I've sent it to a few lists. My plea is this: I am interested in bidding for a couple of items on eBay, but the seller doesn't ship/post outside of the US. ( I asked. ) However, the seller is happy to send the parcel to someone in the US, to be forwarded to me in Australia. Would anyone be willing to do this for me? I will pay all further costs for postage/shipping from the US to Australia, by whatever means is most convenient for whoever does this favour for me ( if anyone does ). I don't like to ask this, but my friend in the US, of whom I asked this favour originally, hasn't replied, and I don't know anyone else in the US, apart from all the people in these lists. It's not a matter of life or death, just an 'it would be nice if I could do this'. Thank-you all for your patience. Yours in hope? Joannah. Now back to topic ....... ;-) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 08:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77CXh3O021152 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77CW49l039186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77CW0bQ023732; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77CVtme023655 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050807123149.UHGN1498.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:49 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.168.22]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050807123148.MVON5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:48 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.338 [267.10.2]); Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:31:51 +1200 Message-ID: <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:31:46 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > 1. What on earth is on her head? http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle myself: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm I found ythe style in a few other examples of allegory (one a supposedly English illumination, one German woodcut and another set of tapestries.) Woops, I see I never did pop in the note about the figure of Clotho which is from a tapestry from the Met Museum... and now I remember why I wanted to recyle my Eowyn costume...;) I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over my face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at the end and then pinned to the top of my head. > 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? I would tend to say the designers used what they saw around them in fanciful ways. Take the buttons on the sides of the skirt of the maid in "smell." I haven't seen buttons at the sides anywhere else and when I saw buttons in a few other tapestries I began to think they were placed there purely by imagination. But i have since seen a portrait of a donor with a gown that buttons up the front from the 1490s. So while I wouldn't dismiss all elements as pure fancy, I would hunt to see if I had seen them used in depicting real people, and how they were used in that setting. The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries (in case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a few images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail that wasn't in the original. http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked at is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. I now have a real appreciation of the lady in the tapestry depicting Taste. I now feel the need to make her entire ensemble for a masquerade..... michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 08:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77Clq2j021592 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:47:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77ClJoE040012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77ClImF029115; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j77ClBu8029040 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6102 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2005 12:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.153.178.50 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2005 12:47:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050807133721.020350a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:45:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. In-Reply-To: <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1006/Sat Aug 6 14:02:09 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:31 07/08/2005, you wrote: > > 1. What on earth is on her head? >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything >like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn >tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense >of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! >http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) > >She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle >myself: >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm > > >snip > >I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over my >face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) > >My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) >loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then >crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at >the end and then pinned to the top of my head. > > >snip> > >The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries (in >case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a few >images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. > >http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 > >The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail that >wasn't in the original. > >http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html >Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to >find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked at >is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. The "maid" in the final tapestry "A Mon Seul Desire" shows the hair very clearly being wrapped around the head and twisted up into a tuft. You can see this by going to the Tracey Chevalier site as recommended by Michaela and clicking on the close up feature. The Musee de Cluny used to sell postcards - I've not been for a few years, but they probably still do, and may sell posters too - I have been lazy and not bothered to check today. I spent a day in Paris at the Palais Galliera looking at an 18th century costume exhibition, (I made some underthings for a mantua loaned by the Museum of London,) and never got as far as the Cluny! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 10:03:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77E3suw022565 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77E2vZN046060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77E2kKA056267; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77E2ijY056231 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D6B40500; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb32.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.42f2f72b.1d25e; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5C9hSDwkijzAIAAAAE,bb01ff2ba8f4d381dec2eb4ff8e4ed68 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joannah Hansen To: The Renaissance Tailor , TheCostumersManifesto , Reconstructing History , Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.86.223] Message-Id: <20050807070243.851428B0@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank-you! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear all, I just wanted to let you know that a very kind person from one of these lists is going to be helping me out with my shipping quandary. Thank-you, everyone, there are the nicest people on these lists. :-D Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 10:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77EuwPs023820 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77EuI7u048690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77EuHUk075489; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77EuDwF075463 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.216]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 285D947FED3 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005501c59b60$2a1f30a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050806024014.1705.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><009101c59b4b$fd01c010$0301010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20050807133721.020350a0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:56:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi, That hairdo with the twisted up to a tuft thingy was made by the Akademy of Historical Hairstyles, i used to make costumes for. Got pictures of it somewhere......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions. > At 13:31 07/08/2005, you wrote: >> > 1. What on earth is on her head? >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me095.jpg and >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me100.jpg I haven't seen anything >>like this headdress elsewhere, but it appears in four of the unicorn >>tapestries. Is this possibly a moorish influence? (the headdress in 'sense >>of touch' is almost Siamese/Balinese looking from the examples I have! >>http://www.tapestry-tapestry.com/photos/me080.jpg ) >> >>She's got lappets worn without a hood/hennin etc. I've done the hairstyle >>myself: >>http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/yellowflemish.htm >> >> >snip >> >>I chose to plait my hair as it is very long and would have hung down over >>my >>face like a pony tail if I had've done a simple wrapping on my hair;) >> >>My hair was crimped (plaits over night to give the hair body once brushed) >>loosely plaited (to make the plaits appear as large as possible) then >>crossed at the back (again to take up as much length as possible) tied at >>the end and then pinned to the top of my head. >> >> >>snip> >> >>The site you pointed to by the way is of reproductions of the tapestries >>(in >>case other people were thinking they were the real thing.) I did find a >>few >>images of the real tapesties but I can't find them easily again. >> >>http://gallery.tc.dk/paris2002_sourthoftheseine?page=4 >> >>The problem with reproductions is they often leave out or put in detail >>that >>wasn't in the original. >> >>http://www.tchevalier.com/unicorn/tapestries/index.html >>Funnily enough Tracey Chevalier's site has the best images I was able to >>find in a reasonable amount of time. The detail in the items being looked >>at >>is seen at a nice size in the enlargements. > > > The "maid" in the final tapestry "A Mon Seul Desire" shows the hair very > clearly being wrapped around the head and twisted up into a tuft. You can > see this by going to the Tracey Chevalier site as recommended by Michaela > and clicking on the close up feature. > > The Musee de Cluny used to sell postcards - I've not been for a few years, > but they probably still do, and may sell posters too - I have been lazy > and not bothered to check today. I spent a day in Paris at the Palais > Galliera looking at an 18th century costume exhibition, (I made some > underthings for a mantua loaned by the Museum of London,) and never got as > far as the Cluny! > > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 12:28:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77GS3Cp025422 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77GRMHo053921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77GRH65009804; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f19.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77GREfx009750 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c59b12$768fcf60$6800a8c0@Penny> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bloodstain Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2005 16:27:09.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA3B740:01C59B6C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I am coming in late on this one. Is the blood stain more than 24 days old? >For 24 hours or less, I use cold water and dove soap and scrub with an old >toothbrush. Its always worked. For recent blood stains, that works very well, especially if you add a nice long soak in body temperature water after saturating the fabric with soap. The stain we were talking about was an old one, though :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 14:31:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77IVZco027122 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77IUGTh062403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77IU7hs058517; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77IU6qG058482 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so751420wra for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:message-id:date:content-type:x-mailer:from:to:subject:x-fid:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority; b=P3MVAUAYIGLSLoSRC0KiZkmUWzecI4XwBqwXLTnR2WgYiU7IPLk5egC+epMuLTuuhrInL2rMch5oIaYiqulYQKYSzye7+xjkmu6y5mB6qsoXyGLgIZMwYQW+bBVA3IxYGSACKyQezj5zkk4CB59Qcz7TZhzOUfmdxdNH0r67TBA= Received: by 10.54.27.46 with SMTP id a46mr4384619wra; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VERN1 ([166.102.108.53]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 44sm7183385wri.2005.08.07.11.30.00; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42F65325.000014.01880@VERN1> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:29:57 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4002014) From: "kristalori" To: "Historical Costume" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quilling X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while back when working on a dress I asked the list about "quilling" no one seemed to be sure what it was. I later found out thanks to an ancient seamstress. However I thought I'd share this example of quilling in a rug: http://www.missmary.com/articles/01/victorian-crafts-braided-rugs.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 7 15:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j77J2qQA027491 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j77J2Tiw064328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77J2R8C071304; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j77J2Mfi071236 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.193.176]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050807190213.IXSY14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:02:13 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWbNutpHHz0JTq0SB2C0MWt/04BwAAS3Rsg In-Reply-To: <20050807025459.85142F8E@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-Id: <20050807190213.IXSY14195.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.86.2/1007/Sun Aug 7 05:47:34 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I wouldn't mind. I am constantly sending stuff to my niece in Switzerland when she wins auctions or orders from US companies. One more package won't matter. Contact me off list and I will give you my address, etc. Anne (who will be at Pennsic Aug. 11 thru 21 but husband will be here to receive mail) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joannah Hansen Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:55 AM To: TheCostumersManifesto; The Renaissance Tailor; Reconstructing History; Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] OT: Plea for help with getting a parcel Hello, to everyone on the lists, Please forgive if you receive this message more than once - I've sent it to a few lists. My plea is this: I am interested in bidding for a couple of items on eBay, but the seller doesn't ship/post outside of the US. ( I asked. ) However, the seller is happy to send the parcel to someone in the US, to be forwarded to me in Australia. Would anyone be willing to do this for me? I will pay all further costs for postage/shipping from the US to Australia, by whatever means is most convenient for whoever does this favour for me ( if anyone does ). I don't like to ask this, but my friend in the US, of whom I asked this favour originally, hasn't replied, and I don't know anyone else in the US, apart from all the people in these lists. It's not a matter of life or death, just an 'it would be nice if I could do this'. Thank-you all for your patience. Yours in hope? Joannah. Now back to topic ....... ;-) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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