From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 13:39:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j91Hdg96023288 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:39:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j91HcwQO087966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91Hcqjs039876; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91HclBD039805 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INO00HDTZOFNO00@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:38:34 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <012801c5c4e8$336dae50$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 20:31:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j920VcWV028483 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j920UufF020488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920UY7k009609; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j920UUlG009567 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 55546 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 00:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 00:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:30:23 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool felt source? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt (for making hats)? I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst of making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for flat goods) and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 20:48:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j920ma1c028709 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j920mFGP021454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920mEmT015313; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j920m8fa015286 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=puYbATsc/7IDWnH3hsbh4r1VqWjWWWspHlNakp7ptvxVmLie0jUiRtOfBmwdz8w9; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.60.188] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ELs1P-0004KA-Lx for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c5c6ea$f30fc0f0$bc3c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:48:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b186e91ca00ed6e8ab52a01d1ba022355350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.188 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try Weir Dolls: http://www.weirdolls.com/fabrics/100felt.html They have a medium weight 100% wool felt in over 40 colors by the yard or in pieces. Hope this helps; good luck with your project. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 23:37:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j923bwLc030710 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j923bLWE035005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j923bFBI076607; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j91KnaWK021079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j91KhVjf008046 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:43:31 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <433EF661.6030500@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:49:37 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tea dye diagnosis and reversal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Folks, I've got something probably from the 1920s, partly wool, which might have been tea-dyed at some point; the colors are very muted. I've tried rubbing it with a damp white cloth, but no color came off. Do you know of any other way to tell if something has been tea-dyed? It should stand up to a proper washing, but I don't want to go through the hour or two of work it would entail to get this off its ground fabric just to find out after washing, that the color it is was the intended color! I did a Google search but didn't find anything to address this question. Thanks for the bandwidth, cv -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 1 23:45:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j923jvpl030806 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j923jdI1035927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j923jc4R079460; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8S7XV1U075382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from e9q5h8 (220-244-241-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.93]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j8S7XSQw022211; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:33:30 +1000 Message-ID: <00ad01c5c3fe$c9655ce0$5df1f4dc@e9q5h8> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "AIPON" , "reenactment ladies" , "Garb list" , "historic costume" , "Renaissance Tailor" , "SCA Garb" , "social history" , "Tudor Fashions" , "Authentic SCA" , "Costuming" , "Accesories" Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:32:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:45:36 -0600 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Am I Period Or Not, Share your costumes with the world (cross post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, Some people may remember my last message on this topic a few months ago, well I'm appealing for more costumes, if you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. So far it appears the 16th century costumers are achieving our secret aim of taking over the world ;-). But there are so many other pretty styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 00:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j924AXE0031125 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j924A8or037026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j924A6Ul087583; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j924A3gJ087566 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-21.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.21]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j923oLwK003825 for ; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051001230538.01c7c708@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:06:39 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? In-Reply-To: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> References: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know some of the millinery supply places on-line stock stuff like that. For example, http://www.hatsupply.com/flat_fur_felt.htm carries flat fur felt for some of the vogue vintage patterns. Cheers, Danielle At 07:30 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote: >Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt >(for making hats)? >I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst >of making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for >flat goods) and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. > >liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 13:32:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92HW1WF021373 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92HVKRo016862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92HVFTi059964; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92HVBLm059911 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.138.195.154] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2005 17:31:05.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[117E9070:01C5C777] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Tambour: >You have for a background cloth a loose weave or netted material that is >pulled taught. Your crochet hook should be small enough that it inserts and >returns with thread without much difficulty. >Either side of the chainstitch w/out beads can be used. Ah, okay, that makes sense. My needlework encyclopedia uses the looped side. It doesn't show how to do tambour beading, but it shows how to fill spaces with tambour stitches, and they use the looped side as the right side. I think that's how it was done in the Empire period. Or maybe they did both? I have to go back and re-examine closeups I have of Empire era works, see which is the right side... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 14:21:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92ILSaH021923 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92IL70q019929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92IL3S1078608; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j92IKwkU078552 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20167 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 18:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 18:20:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051002191529.01d3b5d8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:20:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:31 02/10/2005, you wrote: >>Tambour: >>You have for a background cloth a loose weave or netted material that is >>pulled taught. Your crochet hook should be small enough that it inserts and >>returns with thread without much difficulty. >>Either side of the chainstitch w/out beads can be used. > >Ah, okay, that makes sense. My needlework encyclopedia uses the >looped side. It doesn't show how to do tambour beading, but it shows >how to fill spaces with tambour stitches, and they use the looped >side as the right side. I think that's how it was done in the Empire >period. Or maybe they did both? I have to go back and re-examine >closeups I have of Empire era works, see which is the right side... I have part of a waistcoat, which I believe is French, which is tambour embroidered, with the "chain stitch" side on the top side of the fabric. You can see it in close-up as the background to my fotopic site. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 18:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j92MgdTL025676 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j92MgDu9038925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92Mg7W8082545; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j92Mg4sn082531 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 836CB153C1 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:42:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could this be it? http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm88_5_0_46_2.html De -----Original Message----- Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:08:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9328k9a027902 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9327qZp054707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9327mVE065351; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9313XcQ040593 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so652839nzf for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UpM+0XOtL84H09xUwAjm0+cuVFb/TDYZw2Z3Rn78wxhmpTgfxV3Zfe44abYxTCewc77/FvYiLhfzEwOHa6c1MzK1EPaHU45bIIfZ/JGx53gIp394D4Ad7ryiZIeQ+9tfP40acBxmoHVtX7JjmiG97wT7OhoWW2BzoA+IQCrQPuI= Received: by 10.37.20.35 with SMTP id x35mr68260nzi; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 40sm1236910nzf.2005.10.02.18.03.26; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:03:27 +1000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having a little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric mentioned. I haven't made anything from this time frame (or the preceeding century), a fact which I don't think is helping. Calico and longcloth are mentioned quite a bit, I'm assuming the calico here is nothing like the calico I can buy in Australia (or more accurately the stuff you get in most fabric stores here, the calico I have in kits from the UK seems to be of a far better quality). What would I be looking for in terms of weave etc - although I'm not sure that this would help at the moment as the book describes the individual fabrics reasonable well in these terms but I can't seem to translate it to reality. Names of substitutes would possibly be better Cambric is also mentioned, and I'm wondering if anybody could, again, suggest substitutes please. Is it anything like a decent cotton lawn (like what liberty and liberty-like prints use)? If it is of any help I'm looking at making things like combinations, camisoles, petticoat bodices, american drawers and the like with a reasonable amount of handsewing (using the machine only for the long seams). Thank you, Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j932A8ch027924 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9329pQ8054930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9329oY4066207; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j931G0oT045211 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with ESMTP id <0INR00H2JFIIB750@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.70]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:15:54 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now *I* need to find a pic. All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). I know can I be - more - vague. I am especially looking for either a high-rez version that I can cut certain dresses out of the pic, or many high-rez details. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 2 22:29:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j932T2D0028072 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j932Si61056414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j932ShtC073158; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j932Sdks073135 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12969 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 02:27:44 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:27:44 -0700 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Now *I* need to find a pic. > > All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and > some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). Well, I found the name for you but after a little searching, I found very little on line. I found it in the book "20,000 years of fashion" by Francois Boucher and it is called "Hunting with falcons at the court of Philip the Good". The artist is just listed as "french school" and it is supposed to be housed at Versailles. > I know can I be - more - vague. > > I am especially looking for either a high-rez version that I can cut > certain dresses out of the pic, or many high-rez details. It may be easier to find if you can find the painting name in french and search for that. But if you don't have much luck, contact me off-list and I am willing to scan it and send it to you privately.... HTH, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 00:25:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j934Po0B029243 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:25:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934PAve066641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OqGJ019810; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OlPM019774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-106.sonic.net [209.148.113.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934OkDO021504 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:24:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:24:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What is the book you are using? You want a closely woven, fine-textured cotton or linen. Weight was usually light but varied from well, light but durable and pretty firmly woven, to rather sheer batiste type weight. Machine eyelet border-type fabric was popular as the main fabric for small garments like camisoles, and for flounces on things like drawers and petticoats. Color, usually white. Most originals are yellowish off-white by this time unless they were subjected to modern bleaching. Thin plain-woven silks were also used. These could be pink (pastel rather than bright), light pale yellow, cream colored, and that's mostly what I've seen in surviving garments from this period. Valenciennes type lace was very popular for trimming. Homemade crochet was quite popular for trimming the more firmly woven undergarments. Tatting was used to some extent with the same type of fabrics crochet was used with. There is certainly a larger number of "authentic" options than this, but anyway you've got the idea. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Victorian and Edwardian Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Sharon Nevin wrote: > Hi, > I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of > underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having a > little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric mentioned. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 00:45:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j934jeE0029474 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934jL1K067983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934jJYv027505; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j934jGIh027475 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.50.186] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-50-186.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.50.186]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j934jANc131204 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051002214417.0254f110@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:44:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool felt source? In-Reply-To: <433F2A1F.9070906@fenris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Anyone have a source (pref US, but I'm not picky) for 100% wool felt (for >making hats)? >I am not looking for 'hoods' but for flat pieces. I am in the midst of >making a hat from a vintage vogue pattern (which is set up for flat goods) >and am fighting with cheap-looking 20% wool felt. Many quilt stores will have 100% wool felt, but I don't know if it's the right weight. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 01:24:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j935Ooqw029745 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:24:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j935ONHv070212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935OK3i042030; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j935OGG4041967 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74410 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 05:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 05:24:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:24:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:03 03/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a book from the very 1900s which is for cutting out of >underthings. I"m planning on starting making some of them and having >a little trouble figuring out modern substitutes for fabric >mentioned. I haven't made anything from this time frame (or the >preceeding century), a fact which I don't think is helping. > >Calico and longcloth are mentioned quite a bit, I'm assuming the >calico here is nothing like the calico I can buy in Australia (or >more accurately the stuff you get in most fabric stores here, the >calico I have in kits from the UK seems to be of a far better >quality). What would I be looking for in terms of weave etc - >although I'm not sure that this would help at the moment as the book >describes the individual fabrics reasonable well in these terms but >I can't seem to translate it to reality. Names of substitutes would >possibly be better > >Cambric is also mentioned, and I'm wondering if anybody could, >again, suggest substitutes please. Is it anything like a decent >cotton lawn (like what liberty and liberty-like prints use)? > >If it is of any help I'm looking at making things like combinations, >camisoles, petticoat bodices, american drawers and the like with a >reasonable amount of handsewing (using the machine only for the long seams). Long cloth is a firm weave cotton (also know as Horrocks's Long Cloth - the name of the manufacturer.). I have a set of combinations in long cloth and it is similar to what I buy as cotton poplin, although in England that has a slight sheen, and the long cloth doesn't. Most of the genuine Victorian/Edwardian underthings I have are made from a similar weight material - but only the one has been specifically identified. English cambric is slightly heavier than Liberty weight lawn, as far as I know. However, mostly you cannot buy fabric in England by weight, so I cannot be more specific. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 01:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j935ZtP3029901 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j935YPCn070866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935YNmH045516; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j935YLIK045475 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so812145nzf for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=dkyJzWP3tkNnYz+2mYRQ4CCHzq72F89in93xvHO9MoP2m1+dSnfK2njsjRbN03u75EG+RDVnRLo606VC2UxXBW8wa5VrK1hUSvEkQTDkK75Xj3IOYUnQnUlVcNQTvr0JfuxZiq5wptizxXKQfF1uw9HEQ5MeEXHcy45ixb3eq2I= Received: by 10.36.38.9 with SMTP id l9mr873983nzl; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e1sm2475865nzd.2005.10.02.22.34.14; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:34:19 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:24 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >What is the book you are using? Cutting Out for Student Teachers by Amy K. Smith. 3rd Edition. Printed By Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons, London. 1916. I got lucky on Australian ebay and found an original copy for au$30.00. The only changes between this edition and the 1904 edition is addition of two patterns plus changes to the letterpress in terms of clarifying instructions and updating of exams. It's basically 256 pages on teaching cutting out of and patterns for underclothing (ladies, children, and men's shirts) >There is certainly a larger number of "authentic" options than this, but >anyway you've got the idea. Thank you for your suggestions Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 04:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9389O6V026936 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9388spP081757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9388mP0003057; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9388ikr003000 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9388cW07162.; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:08:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:08:38 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:08:27 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: 2RE: [h-cost] living history questions Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9389O6V026936 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> joanmj@surewest.net 30/09/2005 20:41 >>> wrote >But isn't much (or even most) of that look an optical illusion rather >than actual physical posture? Lots of floof in the front and a pad >for the buttocks should give that look. Not entirely. I once tried on an original pair of combinations of that period and found that I had to stand in that posture to make them fit. h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 04:30:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j938UrtA032194 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:30:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j938UI3O084264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j938UFRh010740; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j938UBm1010714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j938O4jf016771 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:24:04 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4340EC12.6090609@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:30:10 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic take 2 References: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1756.67.188.164.116.1128306519.squirrel@www.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>All I can remember is that is is of a "Hunt", everyone is in white, and >>some of the ladies are wearing houplenades (sp?). > > > Well, I found the name for you but after a little searching, I found very > little on line. I found it in the book "20,000 years of fashion" by > Francois Boucher and it is called "Hunting with falcons at the court of > Philip the Good". The artist is just listed as "french school" and it is > supposed to be housed at Versailles. I have been told that this is a *copy* of the orginal, which was lost or destroyed. It would certainly explain some of the weird details of the clothing. Other sources call it "the white wedding" although it doesn't seem to be a wedding. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 07:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93BsKOe031383 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93BrdeS014572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93BrXUv086358; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93BrV7W086298 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so1001916nzf for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=fV3tpV2HklfErmUB70URrQcbj7dyhJBacRa1rGxVFqvdlS8RCzzhI6dTa6XSsvTVIynpiRKo3cAiwRzn5j8EO10uWDaLUfsRw1Nws+1S/BwPDTxz5yQAfa6ydX3SrWtGiZa32Yb/FNWtL9fjto3imlGRMutLsd6Anf4r6GHYs8c= Received: by 10.36.247.57 with SMTP id u57mr134023nzh; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [203.49.214.141]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r1sm806726nzd.2005.10.03.04.53.24; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003215127.04f4f7f0@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:53:30 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051003061728.01d3dae0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >English cambric is slightly heavier than Liberty weight lawn, as far as I >know. However, mostly you cannot buy fabric in England by weight, so I >cannot be more specific. I've only seen fabric sold by weight from american suppliers, but cotton poplin (in a range of qualities) is easily available here (Australia) so that's extremely helpful. Thanks Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:05:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93D5Gjc001219 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93D4hTi019626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93D4cMM017504; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93D46Zn017258 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BAB147FE6C for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:04:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c5c81a$fa803be0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:04:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. First thanks for all your good wishes for my quick recovery. Apropos very fine linen, my embroidery shop has taken home some very fine linen. It is so fine that it is sheer, and the slopes are only very little. i remember back that some people needed sources for fine linen to a Chemise a la Reine. This would be very usefull for it. Dont think i have seen this before and just wanted to share that it is available on the market today. About tambour work. Costme in detail has closeups of embroidered gentlemans waistcoat made in tambourwork and worked with a variegated thread. Looks very nice. I got tambour hooks at lacis.com but must admit that the hook are two fine for me, much quicker for me to work chainstitches.................... At Nordiska Museet in Stockholm i found a beautifull embroidered womans purse with Silk Ribbon Embroidery dated from 1745. Roses made in ribbon, leaves two with straigt stitches. stemstitches for the lines. They even had leftovers of silk ribbons wined on cardboard, looks excactly the same as today. Got an x-ray of my break, looks good, plaster off oktober 20th. Has started to embroider again, only slow, and dyed silk threads today............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93DoPKk001877 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93DniO9022811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dnett041402; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93DnaKE041326 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INS00IBLEEGS1M0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:49:22 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to me!!! Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 6:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic Could this be it? http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm88_5_0_46_2.html De -----Original Message----- Hi All! I am looking for a color picture: "Cosimo de Medici at the age of 12" (Duke Cosimo I de Medici) It is by Ridolfo GHIRLANDAIO, and it is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in Florence. Has anyone ever seen this on the web? If so, couild you please send me the link? Thanks! Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 09:55:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93DtB3u001908 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93Dsr6d023681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dsq7h044726; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Dsi75044635 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:54:39 -0700 Message-ID: <4341382A.8050708@msn.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:54:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2005 13:54:39.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF353440:01C5C821] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? I have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the first picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag to the side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger panniers? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 10:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93E7r7O002048 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93E7HGY024834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E7E7p052511; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E7BP5052469 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2478d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.141]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BFD7F5EE073 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:07:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c5c823$cd570550$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:07:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YOU WICKED FRAU _:-) How nice to hear from you! I cant answer you in this question, lady told me, she did not make it herself. But one thing i can tell you. The gentleman with the very beautifull embroidered suit in burgundy red had his mistress made it for him from fabrics of Hyena!!!! Machine embroidered fabrics can be very treathcherous :-( But beautifull.............. B jarne - Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume > Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely > pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the > yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? I > have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the first > picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag to the > side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger panniers? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 10:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93E9ase002076 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93E9CmL024958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93E9CYL053784; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j93E9781053684 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70192 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 14:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 14:09:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003150806.01d403a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:09:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:49 03/10/2005, you wrote: >No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in >Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to >me!!! >Dame Catriona MacDuff I have a photo of a painting at the Ashmolean Museum of Cosimo, I think, but it is another Bronzino. I could send it you privately if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 11:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93FEUcT003105 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:14:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93FDa5u032920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FDP9F098277; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FCvF1097938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-125.sonic.net [209.148.114.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FCrpv002663 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: <43414A7A.70100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:12:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton Fabrics and substitutes for Edwardian underthings. References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003104537.01d74680@pop.gmail.com> <4340B294.4080702@lavoltapress.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051003152602.0473fcb8@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, that's a classic of the period. I have a couple editions of it. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sharon Nevin wrote: > At 02:24 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: > >> What is the book you are using? > > > Cutting Out for Student Teachers by Amy K. Smith. 3rd Edition. Printed > By Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons, London. 1916. I got lucky on Australian > ebay and found an original copy for au$30.00. The only changes between > this edition and the 1904 edition is addition of two patterns plus > changes to the letterpress in terms of clarifying instructions and > updating of exams. It's basically 256 pages on teaching cutting out of > and patterns for underclothing (ladies, children, and men's shirts) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 12:48:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93Gm8vm004381 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93GlN96044734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93GlD0a073467; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93FDGso098086 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0INS00HAPI9URR30@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:12:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051003150806.01d403a0@127.0.0.1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be great! Thanks! Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need to find a costume pic At 14:49 03/10/2005, you wrote: >No. The picture that I am seeking is in the Palazzo Medici-Riccardi in >Florence. I have see the one in the Hermitage, but thanks for givinig it to >me!!! >Dame Catriona MacDuff I have a photo of a painting at the Ashmolean Museum of Cosimo, I think, but it is another Bronzino. I could send it you privately if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 19:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93NaxWv009990 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93NaLLZ096249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Na9YU091792; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dsl081-049-042.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.49.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93Na6Vi091696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bunny@lzrd.com) Received: from dsl092-184-213.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.184.213] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by localhost.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EMZry-0005AT-CU for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:35:51 -0700 From: Kimberly Villian User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 corset for elerly woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all. I havn't posted to this board in a very long time, but I am seriously hoping someone has some insight they could share. http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1062.GIF I'm working on the 1891 straight-front corset, which is supposed to come out to 35" bust, and 24" waist, with the typical 5/8" seam allowance drawn into each piece. It's supposedly an original from Harper's Bazaar, not sized up. (It appears the maker has re-drawn this pattern to make it multi sized since I purchased it, but this one is "the original"). However, once putting it together in a muslin, it comes out more like 42" bust, and 30" waist, with typical lengths to front, back and side. Not to mention that with the slope of the breast area, I would need at *least* a D-cup to even start filling it out. Does anyone know whether this pattern maker has mis-quoted the seam allowances vastly or done something else wacky I've not considered yet?? I'm confused -- the narrower pieces don't look like they could be taken in any more, or they would be less than 1/4" wide, finished! If nobody has any idea about my issue with the older version of the pattern, perhaps someone would know about the current one? Perhaps even quirks and tricks about this maker's corset patterns in general? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Confuzzled, K _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 3 19:45:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93Nj3jl010120 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j93Nid2j096894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93NiZmn096538; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j93NiM7c096352 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 14919 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 16:43:54 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 14901, pid: 14910, t: 2.0487s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:33/d:1070 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 16:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051003164241.04be7cf0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:44:10 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 corset for elderly woman In-Reply-To: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> References: <4341C057.6030400@lzrd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:35 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: >Hello all. >I havn't posted to this board in a very long time, but I am >seriously hoping someone has some insight they could share. > >http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1062.GIF > >I'm working on the 1891 straight-front corset, which is supposed to >come out to 35" bust, and 24" waist, with the typical 5/8" seam >allowance drawn into each piece. It's supposedly an original from >Harper's Bazaar, not sized up. (It appears the maker has re-drawn >this pattern to make it multi sized since I purchased it, but this >one is "the original"). > >However, once putting it together in a muslin, it comes out more >like 42" bust, and 30" waist, with typical lengths to front, back and side. >Not to mention that with the slope of the breast area, I would need >at *least* a D-cup to even start filling it out. > >Does anyone know whether this pattern maker has mis-quoted the seam >allowances vastly or done something else wacky I've not considered >yet?? I'm confused -- the narrower pieces don't look like they >could be taken in any more, or they would be less than 1/4" wide, finished! >If nobody has any idea about my issue with the older version of the >pattern, perhaps someone would know about the current one? Perhaps >even quirks and tricks about this maker's corset patterns in >general? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! > >Confuzzled, >K Have you put in the boning yet? The boning will take it in quite a bit. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 03:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9476h6r030994 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:06:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94763c7033875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9475sl0014521; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9475pZU014450 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0422.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.167]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0DBE65D for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <433CFCEF.5040103@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:53:03 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gustavian harvest feast-a question about a costume References: <001401c5c59b$ef98f9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are her panniers hanging to low? They look droopy. WickedFrau wrote: > Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely > pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the > yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? > I have a question about the brown and violet shot silk dress in the > first picture. Why are the sides so long? Were they intended to drag > to the side or was the dress originally meant to be worn with larger > panniers? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:11:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MBOkp029714 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:11:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MAo8L052285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MAdxG011224; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MAZ2s011076 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP08.BAY0.HOTMAIL.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4342FDD3.7010801@msn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:10:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 22:10:28.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DAAF220:01C5C930] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:12:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MBxiB029731 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:12:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MBiEo052476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MBhsg012009; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MBc0w011869 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4342FE13.8030901@msn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:11:31 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 22:11:32.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[9414A000:01C5C930] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Testing, Testing 1, 2, 3 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone else getting mail??? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 18:14:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94MEndd029780 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:14:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94MEWI2052828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MEViG013991; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94MERco013944 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LTU1KV1E0G8Z1WRG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:23 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LTU1KVVF3O9C1ZX0@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:25 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:14:24 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > I got this. The last email I had before this one was ~14 hours ago. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:04:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N4pdl030605 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:04:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N4THD059873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N4OAq051702; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N493M051411 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.188 ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005100423040401500bacake>; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:04:04 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.188; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:33 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:33 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052303.24698.43430A45000DA87D0000607A22092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the list might be mid-hiccup or at that point in a cyber-shneeze where it's gathering the emails for big explosive schneeze. And then we'll all be innundated... -------------- Original message -------------- > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N4vMv030612 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:04:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N4TjU059874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N4GKC051572; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N493J051411 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.188 ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005100423040101500b7628e>; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:04:01 +0000 Received: from [67.183.89.48] by 204.127.197.188; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:48 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:48 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052303.25189.43430A540008953C0000626522092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the list might be mid-hiccup or at that point in a cyber-shneeze where it's gathering the emails for big explosive schneeze. And then we'll all be innundated.. Elena/Gia. -------------- Original message -------------- > Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 4 19:07:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94N7Vvc030650 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j94N7D6q060255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N79RX053737; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94N734p053545 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F883CE9B for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43430B55.5040500@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:08:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing References: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Adele de Maisieres wrote: > WickedFrau wrote: > >> Anyone else out there? I'm not getting any mail from the list. > > I got this. The last email I had before this one was ~14 hours ago. > Got both tests and Adele's reply. Something is working... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 00:41:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j954fgSZ007821 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j954fBcg093592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j954f5D8019641; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j954f10a019622 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:41:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.20.126 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:41:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.20.126] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4342FEC0.3050809@paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:40:58 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2005 04:41:01.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC955760:01C5C966] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Known World Costume Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j954fgSZ007821 Status: RO I'm sure all the SCA people know about this, but even non-SCA people who are interested in medieval or renaissance costume would find things to learn at this event this weekend. It will be in Atchison, Kansas which is near Kansas City. The website is very badly designed but at least gives the minimum information: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 09:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95DQj5g014141 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95DQA4K063963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95DPv2K045177; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95DPnKo045044 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:25:29 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine linnen Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:25:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002001c5c81a$fa803be0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-index: AcXIG0IvlFD0UMzsQaSI2JXYbSdGUABlLCqg Message-Id: <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where does one purchase this wonderful linen? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fine linnen Hi. First thanks for all your good wishes for my quick recovery. Apropos very fine linen, my embroidery shop has taken home some very fine linen. It is so fine that it is sheer, and the slopes are only very little. i remember back that some people needed sources for fine linen to a Chemise a la Reine. This would be very usefull for it. Dont think i have seen this before and just wanted to share that it is available on the market today. Bjarne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 17:24:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95LOhxS026056 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95LO4K6048362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNoVU015300; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNh3B015230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-131.sonic.net [209.148.113.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95LNfXt016617 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:23:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4344445E.1020305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:23:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry James film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After having thought I'd seen every Henry James film adaptation in existence, I just ran across a "new" one--a 1998 PBS Pictures film of "The American," starring Matthew Modine, Diana Rigg, and others. They took a few liberties with the novel, but it's a good film. It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 18:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95MAte2027077 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:10:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95MAOJs057365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MAHeQ053189; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MA8xl053056 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12195 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:10:06 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Henry James film Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Henry James film Thread-Index: AcXJ81cr7AsvIqPUQ925STNvuXjbwgABRSgg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j95MA8xl053056 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another PBS/BBC Mystery production set in the mid-late 1860's is "Uncle Silas" with Peter O'Toole. Not too many on-screen stuff is set in the mid-late 1860's or 1884-5, probably because both of these sets of years during the rule of the bustle/back fullness dress cycle are seen as visually unattractive today. Probably the same reason we don't see too many productions set in the late Elizabethan or early Jacobean wealthy and court society, as well as into Charles I. In the former French farthingales take up too much space and in the later all those high-waisted, big sleeved, wide and ornate collars make most women look fat and/or pregnant to modern eyes Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Henry James film After having thought I'd seen every Henry James film adaptation in existence, I just ran across a "new" one--a 1998 PBS Pictures film of "The American," starring Matthew Modine, Diana Rigg, and others. They took a few liberties with the novel, but it's a good film. It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 18:45:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95MjI4o027815 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95Mig7G063575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Mia7H083574; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95MiVHl083456 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.fd.1d93e660 (24895) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:44:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/5/2005 6:11:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: It's set in the later 1860s which is a rather unusual costume period for films. Yes, the only other things I've seen in this silhouette are the fiancee's gowns in "The French Lieutenant's Woman" and "Scarlet"...the sequel to "Gone With the Wind" [what a dreadful idea THAT was!] I'd love to see "The American"...someone a while back on the classical music boards I'm on was saying how much they liked it....or was that "Our Mutual Friend" by Dickens? Anyway...speaking of Dickens and Diana Rigg, there's a "Bleak House" I've never seen. BBC, I think. And a "Woman in White" [who wrote that one? a great little gothic yarn!] I did see and loved. Neither are on DVD or tape or anything that I can find. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 19:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95NgTkl028802 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:42:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95Ng4lg073081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Ng1mU019668; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j95Nfu9U019562 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1f2.137d2349 (24895) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:41:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW.... I went to DVDpricesearch.com [a very good site] to check and see if any of these films were now available. It had been a while since I looked. Voila! "Bleak House"....with Diana Rigg and "Our Mutual Friend" are both available on DVD and a mere $9.98 at Deep Discount DVD....with free shipping in the US. "The American" was not there, but a search for Diana Rigg turned up the 1968 Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the play's the thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is Titania with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen Mirren is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just great! No "Woman in White" alas. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 20:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j960LLLC029794 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:21:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j960Kmkx076762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KbAR040266; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KXmV040231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-180.sonic.net [209.148.114.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960KWNH013867 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <43446DD1.40808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:20:33 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "The American" is on DVD if anyone wants to see it. It is hard to find on Amazon, there are a ton of films with "American" in the title, but it is there. You could try looking for the stars' names. I have "The Woman in White" on VHS tape. The novel is by Wilkie Collins. He also wrote "The Moonstone," and there is a good film of that, which I also have on tape. "Lady Audley's Secret" is another good Gothic film. The BBC "Bleak House" is on film too. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Anyway...speaking of Dickens and Diana Rigg, there's a "Bleak House" I've >never seen. BBC, I think. And a "Woman in White" [who wrote that one? a great >little gothic yarn!] I did see and loved. Neither are on DVD or tape or >anything that I can find. >_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 5 23:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j963CfOn000308 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j963C2aS092728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j963BqiV025220; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j963Bmw8025131 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65082 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 03:11:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6RRkrLdQhwPQGHjKT+TEgQq6tuBq7LNT6Yg3ytkApbFFWeCryZfKSuV44W+EGLyzMxT3h50xszWytyErfTZLQXoddI8xbts8Ke6XY/nxGwFT/6tZXRsyYpRO3/ehxPM8qHjQ5dr9y9wvx1TjTTnUh8hcXVW7cO0XFC42jFAL7tQ= ; Message-ID: <20051006031143.65080.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:11:43 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel of Lothlorien Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question: Ageless Patterns 1891 To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200510042048.j94KmRqR044049@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found that with many old corset patterns in general, I have to take in the bust gores considerably. I didn't use this particular pattern, but I did put together another ageless pattern corset and that was the easiest way to fix the problem of the overly-large bust. I can't say that my measurements were THAT far off, though. I know in the past, that with other corset patterns with so many pieces, I've ended up throwing a whole piece away to get it to fit correctly. Strange! If you have someone to help you fit it, try to see where it is coming out too large and have them help you pin it in to fit/cinch you. That's the best suggestion I can offer, which is probably obvious! ;) When I've made the Ageless Patterns work, I've always been pleased with the results. Good luck! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 07:41:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96Bf6Yf015886 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96BeS78055774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96BeLL5037683; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96BeH0Q037628 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1A0214; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:40:10 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Oct 05 11:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:43:37 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is one of my favorite renderings of Mid Summer... I think I remember seeing it actually on TV when it was done. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film > BTW.... > > > I went to DVDpricesearch.com [a very good site] to check and see if any of > these films were now available. It had been a while since I looked. > > Voila! > > "Bleak House"....with Diana Rigg and "Our Mutual Friend" are both available > on DVD and a mere $9.98 at Deep Discount DVD....with free shipping in the US. > > "The American" was not there, but a search for Diana Rigg turned up the 1968 > Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is > wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern > dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the play's the > thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is Titania > with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen Mirren > is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just great! > > No "Woman in White" alas. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 08:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96C3l1d016187 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:03:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96C3TaC058494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96C3QKA047360; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j96C3MqY047276 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 18682 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@81.154.234.17 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 12:03:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051006125643.01d404b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:01:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry James film In-Reply-To: <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <1f2.137d2349.3075bebb@aol.com> <005201c5ca6b$319cd3c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >a search for Diana Rigg turned up the >1968 > > Royal Shakespeare production of " A Midsummer Night's Dream" that is > > wonderful! Very primitive video-wise [actually kinda quaint] and in modern > > dress...sorta....for the 60s, but the best reading ever! After all, the >play's the > > thing. Ian Richardson's Oberon is the best I've ever seen. Judi Dench is >Titania > > with her boobs hanging out and painted green. Ian Holm is Puck. Helen >Mirren > > is Hermia. David Warner is Lysander. Diana Rigg is Helena. It's just >great! I was working at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre in 1968 when they were filming "Midsummer Night's Dream." Meeting a bright green Ian Holm in the car park, with his pointy ears and all was a bit startling, especially as I had known him for years! They all used to come back to the theatre to shower off the green makeup, as there were no facilities at Compton Wynyates, where they were filming. (Incidentally the man who invented the process for bald caps and pointy ears, as worn by Mr Spock, was the Wig Master at Stratford.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 09:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96D6Gn7017111 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96D5jxq065781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96D5eOa075425; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay5-dav4.bay5.hotmail.com [65.54.172.108]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96D5beh075369 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:05:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.65.29 by BAY5-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:05:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051005132529.CIHN21663.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine linnen Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:06:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:06:17 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2005 13:05:29.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[A08660C0:01C5CA76] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j96D6Gn7017111 Status: RO I look forward to hearing from Bjarne whether we might have access to this linen. In the mean time. Linen like this is available online from the Linen House, but is very expensive. http://www.thelinenhouse.com/EN/FRAMESET.asp?VS=TLHO&LA=ENGL I have a set of their samples if you would like some guidance about the fineness. My sample set is a few years old now, but I think I can give you some idea of what they are like. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Moeller To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:25 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine linnen Where does one purchase this wonderful linen? Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 13:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96HrVw2021723 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96HqoX4010159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96HqXFJ087303; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96DjJQ7095385 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j96DjDs28225.; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:45:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:45:00 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j96HrVw2021723 Status: RO There is about to be a new BBC version of "Bleak House" dramatised by Andrew Davis of "Pride and Prejudice" fame, with Gillian Anderson in the Diana Rigg role. The previous version was 1985 according to "Radio Times". The version of "The Woman in White" shown on TV a few years back took considerable liberties with the plot, trying to be "relevant" by making Sir Percival Glyde's guilty secret to do with child abuse rather than that his parents weren't legally married. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 6 14:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96IB4Cq021959 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96I9Knl012597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9Hvh001072; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9B2r001000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-120.sonic.net [209.148.114.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96I9Ax2031889 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:09:11 -0700 Message-ID: <43456846.9050702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:09:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Although the films of "The Woman in White" and "The Moonstone" are both good, I think Wilkie Collins' novels are better in both cases. The novels are mysteries; the suspense aspects, the unraveling of mysteries bit by bit, the false leads, are not really carried off as well in the films. "The Woman in White," as a novel, is a Gothic as well as a mystery, and that doesn't come through as well in the film either. Still, I'm glad the films were made, and I liked them. I'll look at any film based on a novel I like unless it's really, really, really bad (according to reviews). I even kind of liked the modernized "Great Expectations" with Gwyneth Paltrow (think Dickens Lite), aside from the music. I am looking forward to the new "Bleak House." Do you know when it will be coming out and especially, coming out on DVD? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kate M Bunting wrote: >There is about to be a new BBC version of "Bleak House" dramatised by Andrew Davis of "Pride and Prejudice" fame, with Gillian Anderson in the Diana Rigg role. The previous version was 1985 according to "Radio Times". >The version of "The Woman in White" shown on TV a few years back took considerable liberties with the plot, trying to be "relevant" by making Sir Percival Glyde's guilty secret to do with child abuse rather than that his parents weren't legally married. > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 09:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97Do0EM004397 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97DnXpo039211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97DnXUa045735; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9782Psd099930 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9782Jp19531.; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:02:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:02:19 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:02:03 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j97Do0EM004397 Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> fran@lavoltapress.com 06/10/2005 19:09 >>> wrote >.I am looking forward to the new "Bleak House." Do you know when it will >be coming out and especially, coming out on DVD? It starts on UK TV next week. I suppose it will come out on DVD after the whole series has been shown. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 09:50:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97Do053004396 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Djvwt038932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Djnin043626; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97597Wr028058 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20ng.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.240] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ENkTY-0001C4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051006225340.02fd2598@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:55:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> References: <200510031800.j93I0BQH034541@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne at Gustavian feast X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne is the subject of the 6th row, center picture www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bl17.htm Sandy At 01:00 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:54:50 -0700 >From: WickedFrau > >Bjarne, first, I am sorry to hear of your broken wrist! Lovely >pictures...are you in any of them? I thought it might be you in the >yellow silk suit-but it is a little hard to tell with all the makeup? > >Sg "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 11:41:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97FfRs7005766 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:41:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Fdnao051802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97FdkYW019494; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97FcxAp018798 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172253CEB1 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43469694.7000800@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:39:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT5048.shtml It's me again. :) Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 12:21:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97GLiK6006236 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97GLGv7060404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97GL2iI050209; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97GKqcJ050065 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17764 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:20:50 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter Thread-Index: AcXLVc9FX85QfVTzRH6at1VCLcXf1gABJxYg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j97GKqcJ050065 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, it is the original scale patterns and illustrations from tailoring and fitting instructions originally printed. Unless the late Jean Hunnisett has a successor to carry on her Period Costume for Stage and Screen series of books, I doubt we will see any more books on historic patterns scaled to fit the modern wearer. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT5048.shtml It's me again. :) Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 14:44:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97IiYfN008215 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97IhsS1081457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Ihjr3061093; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IhdgG060981 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065226593 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622827C0 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:43:34 -0600 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:33 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:33 -0600 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Cleveland? 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Cheers! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 14:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97IvuUg008438 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97Ivac1083079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IvYSw071070; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97IvRwb070918 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1e4.457d5e35 (3924) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.457d5e35.30781f10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 10:23:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Yes, it is the original scale patterns and illustrations from tailoring and fitting instructions originally printed. Unless the late Jean Hunnisett has a successor to carry on her Period Costume for Stage and Screen series of books, I doubt we will see any more books on historic patterns scaled to fit the modern wearer. And because the information on the "Princess" line of this period is so difficult to come by, it is a good source of information. I would be lost without it during my current design and build of "Doll's House". It also contains a detailed account of "etiquette" regarding the proper time and place for different fashions of the time IE. Traveling, visiting, promenading, opera, mourning (all three degrees), etc. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 16:31:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97KVwT9009912 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97KV4YV095558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97KUsu8039821; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97KULZJ039555 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jill@jigrah.co.uk) Received: from cpc2-midd3-3-0-cust239.midd.cable.ntl.com [80.6.241.239] (helo=HP411.jigrah.co.uk) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1ENyrE2DR5-00044K; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:30:20 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20051007212901.00b95690@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt8296337-1938@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:30:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jill Hadfield Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? 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To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5009 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is awesome! You are doing a fabulous job. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 17:58:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97LwvH5011115 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97LwD60006864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw74q001545; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw3J9001512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-246.sonic.net [209.148.113.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Lw12M012731 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:58:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The new edition of Hecklinger's _Dress and Cloak Cutter_? It's typical of my old friend Robb Shep's books. (He recently moved back to San Francisco, in a neighborhood near mine! But Fred Struthers is still distributing Robb's books from Fort Bragg, for those who want to buy direct; the URL is www.rlshep.com.) The _Dress and Cloak Cutter_ contains a solid selection of women's pattern drafts primarily oriented to tailored clothes, probably drawn to true scale but I haven't done the math to check. Anyway it includes all the period drafting instructions and a supplementary section on clothing etiquette. If you want sizing, our two-volume anthology _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, which contains several hundred patterns for women's garments from 1877 through 1882, includes many patterns that use an apportioning scale system. Volume 2 also includes a dressmaking manual with information drawn from many sources. Both volumes contain extensive quotes from fashion columns and other sources on construction, fabrics, trimmings, what was worn when, etc. Paper patterns, in the sense of Butterick et al, are just not a suitable production format for a book. Basically you've got a trade-off. You can buy individual full-sized patterns in modern sizes and get the convenience of that. Or you can buy a book, and enlarge and size the patterns (even if they are drawn to _a_ modern size, it's not necessarily the wearer's). And you get a much larger range of styles at a lower per-pattern price. But book and full-size pattern publishing formats can't do all the same things; think of a book's sizing and binding issues. Aside from the shelving issues that make a book larger than 8 1/2” by 11” significantly harder to sell to both bookstores and libraries, the more you put into a book for each pattern, the fewer patterns will fit in it. You also have to realize that if you want a book that is a direct reprint of an original source (like most of Robb's) or based on original sources (like ours), there is not an infinite number of original sources. The further back you go, the fewer there are. The best books in English with women’s clothing patterns that I know of (and I’ve been collecting for decades) are the Hecklinger that Robb reprinted (and Robb’s also collected for decades), and an extremely rare US source that we used for parts of _Fashions of the Gilded Age_. The German book that we used as a source for the apportioning scale patterns, and some others, is a bigger (many more patterns) and IMO a better book than Hecklinger’s. But, we had to pay a professional technical translator quite a lot. And I still had supervise her very closely using my knowledge of period patterns and clothing, and what's left of my college German. And there isn't an infinite number of foreign sources either, nor are they, as a general rule, hugely different from the ones in English. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com > >Does anyone have this title, or have comments on the contents? The >description says "pattern diagrams and illustrations" but I'm wondering >if it has real intructions or if it's just copies of old scale diagrams >that I have to interpret myself. (Like a lot of other books) > > > >Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 18:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97M3i3p011170 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97M3IMh007392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3HAG004854; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3DE3004805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-246.sonic.net [209.148.113.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97M3Bog006330 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4346F0A0.2030303@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:03:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885 --correction References: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, I meant not the best original books of patterns "for all time," but the best ones for women's clothes of the late 1870s and early 1880s, specifically; not before or after. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > The best books in English with women’s clothing patterns that I know > of (and I’ve been collecting for decades) are the Hecklinger that Robb > reprinted (and Robb’s also collected for decades), _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 19:49:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97NnAoa012707 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j97NmTYN018711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:48:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97NmPMH063272; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:48:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97MQJjW019097 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01223CEB6 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4346F61A.6030402@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:26:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak Cutter References: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4346EF6B.6060508@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > The _Dress and Cloak Cutter_ > contains a solid selection of women's pattern drafts primarily oriented > to tailored clothes, probably drawn to true scale but I haven't done the > math to check. Anyway it includes all the period drafting instructions > and a supplementary section on clothing etiquette. Does it contain any assembly instructions? I can usually figure out what the pattern pieces are in the miniature diagrams, I just have no idea how to assemble clothing from this era without it looking like a bad home ec project. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 20:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j980bqoK013172 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j980bUjn023056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980bSVq084845; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980bMOi084765 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.f4.5ad79d5c (4206) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:37:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 7:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I just have no idea how to assemble clothing from this era without it looking like a bad home ec project. ************************* Oh c'mon! I'm sure your skills are more then adequate. The way I was taught: One thing is, you have to trace all sewing lines and not rely on even seam allowances like a commercial pattern. Indeed, if the bodice is flat lined, as they usually are, the best way is to trace on the flat lining, and then hand baste the lining to the fashion fabric while each piece is flat on a table [FLAT lining after all] right on [or just outside] the traced sewing lines. This way you can see the sewing lines on both sides of each pattern piece. [If the fabric was thick, we would baste right on the traced lines, and sew just to the outside of them...to make up for the thickness of the layers of fabric.] You then line pieces up by sticking a pin through the two pieces being sewn together to line them up. Then using ANOTHER pin to pin it in place before you take out the pin you used to line it up. Lots of balance marks help. The other non-modern thing is you must set sleeves into the armseye. None of this sewing the sleeve seams and underarm seam at the same time stuff. Again using the line-up-with-a-pin method and matching seams if they match and lots of balance marks. My friend who used to work with me on period movies would hand bast in sleeves after pinning if they were difficult, like Gigot or leg o' mutton sleeves, before sewing them in by machine....but you don't NEED to do this. All this basting is of course pulled out later. And of course clipping the allowance of curved seams so they will lay flat when pressed open is a must. I once saw a pair of 1890s bodices obviously made by the same TOC seamstress. The insides were beautiful. The curved seams of the 6 piece backs were scalloped....not just clipped...like they were clipped every inch or so and the right angles of the clipped seam allowance cut off in curves. Then pressed open. Then the raw scalloped edges were bound in narrow magenta seam binding. THEN a bone, covered in brown glazed cotton, was cross stitched down the center of each seam, to the seam allowance, with magenta thread. All those scalloped and bound and boned seams converging to about an inch apart at the waist was a thing of beauty! The front was just 2 pieces [as usual] with 2 darts on each side of CF under the bust, again with boning cross stitch down each dart that was clipped just once at the waist. This is the way to do it. Time consuming? A bit. But, y'know....if you're gonna do it anyway..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 20:56:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j980uBEL013355 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j980tgB5024904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980tdSs093354; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980tYMf093302 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-25-98-205.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.98.205]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j980tUWa019958 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01c5cba2$fb53f0d0$6501a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:55:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't live in Cleveland; I'm about an hour and a half southeast of it. You'll love the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Kent State University Fashion Museum! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I > was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? > Cheers! > -sunny > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 7 22:35:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j982ZkMq014545 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j982ZJ4a033521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j982ZCDX032491; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j982Z7Jq032458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0232.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.232]:2454 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EO4YH-0002T4-RX for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:35:11 -0400 Message-ID: <43473056.8050709@floodcity.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:35:02 -0400 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I just gotta ask. first of all, what is a TOC seamstress? then more importantly, was the seam binding sewed to the scallops in scallops or was it straight following where the seam was or would be? thanks, Kitty AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/7/2005 7:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dawn@reddawn.net writes: > > I once saw a pair of 1890s bodices obviously made by the same TOC > seamstress. The insides were beautiful. The curved seams of the 6 piece backs were > scalloped....not just clipped...like they were clipped every inch or so and the > right angles of the clipped seam allowance cut off in curves. Then pressed > open. Then the raw scalloped edges were bound in narrow magenta seam binding. > THEN a bone, covered in brown glazed cotton, was cross stitched down the center > of each seam, to the seam allowance, with magenta thread. All those > scalloped and bound and boned seams converging to about an inch apart at the waist > was a thing of beauty! > The front was just 2 pieces [as usual] with 2 darts on each side of CF under > the bust, again with boning cross stitch down each dart that was clipped > just once at the waist. > > This is the way to do it. Time consuming? A bit. But, y'know....if you're > gonna do it anyway..... > _______________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 00:45:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j984jgJZ015906 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:45:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j984jGhg044029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j984jCvd080859; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j984j7N8080818 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33599 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2005 04:45:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6o78kvkuKv01Xl+peWc0m7g2YVGYnsqhb0ieO0AUmWOUfDIxDjuEc8ILgFHAp3KL+FoeCWEbMRhYHxJLoN4NOF7/orJVRS7zDkannWpq734l9pO7mDCqoEl9NNUPHHuyvx2NA/z1Nd2OlzT2cj15WnLS3LTJrvcd73zxEm5LWJk= ; Message-ID: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.53.209] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:45:02 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tippets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as the surcotte. Anyone ever looked into this? They had to have been sewn on somehow, or else how would you prevent them from sliding down the arm? I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the construction. From what I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. Annette M --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98C7CUs019899 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98C5QDF088692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C5Imb045455; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C5GaV045412 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u24so677815qbh for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KQYwDmzeQoCCDe+HFuF+RStBfuN9jT8SGwyvLcAsdamMuA5AHUEENSPj+Mi2YdI+5olZ4ZA99Pfzk0LObZx7pEh2JTLmAOiyoWoBkUvW1u6a3v3yV3JozZE2EDlN3StpNLHpNvZcbmoka6vqWzTypPn8t1SxTVrAOjBxMeHv6HM= Received: by 10.65.22.17 with SMTP id z17mr1315689qbi; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510080505q4cf2db79w347c762aa1a40a40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:05:11 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j98C5GaV045412 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton has written quite an explanation of tippets. The article is in the first Journal of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. Information there may help you in your efforts to produce your own. The article is scholarly, and not a how-to-make type. Of course... you might have already read it. ; > Good Luck . Hope this helps. Mari / Bridgette On 10/8/05, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. > > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as the surcotte. > > Anyone ever looked into this? They had to have been sewn on somehow, or else how would you prevent them from sliding down the arm? > > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. > > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the construction. From what I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:08:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98C8b0D020159 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:08:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98C87qR088817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C87os046361; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98C84Tx046308 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m21so176798qbe for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EEgzJteiE5pXCSmu1F53iPpLzcDsTQCfTrMCgfw8yhOnD5zgCEWeSH3hREtxIB6WXvuSH6lH2504jf2r8kp2nvdkPn3ZiVRBB/fiVcVUmoMGOcU/+xzsQOTKUVwj84D1uhOjtzOsyAsB9wcUDvBf1cV8d1/I7eWHUSLiX/CJwGo= Received: by 10.64.152.18 with SMTP id z18mr1349553qbd; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510080507o516dd043mb7bd59f482614996@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:07:59 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... In-Reply-To: <1dc.4697921b.30783fd0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1dc.4697921b.30783fd0@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j98C84Tx046308 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Kimberley. :> Mari / Bridgette On 10/7/05, Chindora@aol.com wrote: > It is awesome! You are doing a fabulous job. > > :) > ~Kimberley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 08:35:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98CZ4o0021777 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98CYKCH090400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98CYIhM055916; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98CYExJ055888 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sapphireandsage@neo.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpe-65-25-51-114.neo.res.rr.com [65.25.51.114]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j98CYBYF027300 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c5cc04$fb9e7ad0$0200a8c0@lolizerg> From: "Sapphire And Sage" To: References: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sunny! :) I'm in Wadsworth, which is 30 minutes South of Cleveland, just East of Rt. 71. Which part of Cleveland are you moving to? Hope you're ready for the snow! :) ~Rhonda Sapphire & Sage - Renaissance Jewelry & Accessories ((¸¸.·' ...·' -:¦:- www.sapphireandsage.com ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I > was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 10:38:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98EcLae023784 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:38:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98Ebh7A099923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98Ebars005397; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98EbWls005367 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-2-146.s654.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) ([66.44.2.146]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2005 10:37:30 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,189,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="95876515:sNHT32777752" Message-ID: <4347D9A6.1020404@erols.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:37:26 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B065FD969@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > Hi! I'm moving from the San Francisco area to Cleveland in 2 weeks, and I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list in the Cleveland area? > Cheers! But if you mean Cleveland Ohio, then you might also like to visit the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Beside the music and artist exhibits they have an entire hall dedicated to the customs the bands and artists wore on and off stage. Historical if you consider the 60's - 90's historical. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 11:55:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98FtbNJ025532 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98FsnYE008895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98FshVE041151; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98FsakY041085 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28609 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:18:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were > made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work something out. > A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied > above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and evidence to the article): -- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly *not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. -- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down > version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as > the surcotte. This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of things, including hood tails. > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the > construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the > construction. There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and (again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a > cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what > I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. For the long version, I refer you to the article. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 12:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98Gwnkt026543 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98GwHKi015478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98GwDHa069811; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98GwATQ069774 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EA6C17E08 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm sleeve. Role once leaving the lining exposed? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 13:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98HTqX2026968 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98HTQMf018663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HTPuB084576; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HTLrM084510 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1e.4f5dc73f (3948) for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.4f5dc73f.30795be6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Review? Women's Costume 1877-1885: The Complete Dress and Cloak ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2005 10:37:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, basyefelton@floodcity.net writes: first of all, what is a TOC seamstress? ************************* TOC = turn of the century. In this case, the 19th into the 20th century. then more importantly, was the seam binding sewed to the scallops in scallops or was it straight following where the seam was or would be? The magenta seam binding was very much like commercial seam binding you'd find today, a narrow tape. It's supple enough to curve around the scallops and this is what it did. Also the method for sewing the bones in was this: The casings were sewn down, not the bone [duh!] which was real whalebone. You always have the needle pointing in the opposite direction from the direction the sewing is going. In this case start at the top of the boning casing on the left edge and, with the needle pointing up, take a stitch through it and the seam allowance. Now cross over the bone to the other [right] edge and , again, needle pointing up, take a...oh 1/8"+ stitch...about 3/4" down. Then cross over to the left 3/4" down and take a stitch...then right...left...right...until you reach the end of the casing. This is a great way to add boning to an already made up bodice. Doing it in magenta thread I've seen in more than a couple of bodices. But I must say getting a needle through modern commercial boning casing is a bitch! The bodices themselves were made of chocolate brown silk and trimmed with the same brown, cream and red silk brocade in a kind of interlocking geometric pattern. One had 3/4 length kinda full sleeves with elaborate cuffs, and the other bishop sleeves. Buttons down the CF and high necks. Both bodices stopped at the waist with tucked sashes attached. The sashes and the way the brocade was used around the yolk area, down the front and on the sleeves was different on each one. Obviously for the same, now lost, skirt. I saw these in a costume stock in St. Louis. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 18:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98MVqX4031548 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98MVOUR041346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98MVGs0006991; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98HlC4h092870 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29438 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:11:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:11:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, otsisto wrote: > Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually > not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower > bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm > sleeve. Opening a long sleeve halfway up is one of several ways to achieve a hanging-flap extension on a short sleeve, and you see variations on this in the early 15th c. That technique is easy to formalize into a squared-off pendant; there are examples of that style in Franco-Flemish mss of about 1415-1440, including the Tres Riches Heures and the various illustrated Bocaccio manuscripts. However, the short-sleeve extensions you see most often in early-to-mid 14th c. art seem to have developed not directly from opening a long sleeve, but from a different direction. Coming into the century, you start with overgown sleeves that are slightly shorter and wider than the tight undergown sleeves. Over time, you can see the overgown sleeve shorten further; only then does it develop a hanging point off the bottom (probably originally as an artifact of the rectalinear cutting method). Then the piont lengthens into a pendant, growing longer over time into its own design element. The fur lining is visible on the inside of the hanging bit. The result is a half-length sleeve (to the bend of the elbow) with a narrow hanging piece that is a continuation of the sleeve along the back, but shows a fur surface from the front view (the exposed lining) It's important to note that other things were happening with the construction of long (undergown) sleeves in this period, specifically the development of the set-in sleeve in the 1330s, which enabled the rotation of the sleeve seam from underneath to the outside, and then the fitting of the long sleeves all the way up (often with buttons) instead of just at the lower forearm. So the "opened up long sleeve" you describe could probably not have occurred during the earlier part of the development in this century, when the typical construction method was a gusseted sleeve with a seam along the bottom. This had all changed by the early 1400s. > Role once leaving the lining exposed? I can't recall seeing the rolling done on long sleeves that have been opened halfway up (that would be early 1400s, and tippets were outdated by then). However, going back to the period of 1350-1380, in which tippets developed from pendent sleeves: Once you have the fur-lined pendent sleeve, it's a reasonable thing to flip the bottom of the sleeve back to form a cuff, showing off the fur lining. This casual alteration leaves the pendant hanging a bit awkwardly and it would have been hard to maintain, but the visual impact is distinct -- a fur band around the middle of the upper arm (not down near the elbow) and a fur hanging piece. This is what I think led to the formalization of the fur band-and-streamer style, which would have been cut and sewn in that shape. --Robin sleeve addict _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 19:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j98NvpDq000614 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j98NvRUd049005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98NvOqf040650; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98NvFCs040583; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d110.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.111]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j98NvBDf026144; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:58:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <434824DC.27048.30FF850B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! I'm in Canton, 60 miles south. Cleveland is in the Barony of the Cleftlands - they are big & quite active. Huge public library system, one of the best museums in the country, universities all over the place - LOTS of research opportunities! Maria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 23:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j993bBND004883 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j993ahde068704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993aakQ026303; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993aX1j026228 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IO200MWHQ0QWV50@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:36:17 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin-- How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? Dame Catriona MacDuff / Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were > made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work something out. > A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied > above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and evidence to the article): -- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly *not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. -- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down > version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as > the surcotte. This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of things, including hood tails. > Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the > construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the > construction. There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and (again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a > cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what > I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. For the long version, I refer you to the article. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 8 23:58:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j993w3R3006006 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j993vk3K069851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993vjm9033071; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j993vgWa033038 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01178 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? It's an annual journal published in book form. It's assumed that most subscribers will be libraries that will want to assemble a complete set, though I suppose that there would be some way for individuals to subscribe as well. Most people, though, will want to buy individual volumes based on their interest in specific papers included. The papers in each volume vary greatly by topic, period, and discipline. It's our goal to have a broad range in each volume, representing early medieval up through early modern (that's the preferred term now for Elizabethan ;-) ), and a variety of approaches: art, literature, documentary studies, archaeology, trade/economics, and experimental reconstruction. The papers are peer-reviewed and academic in nature, not focused on the how-tos of costuming, though we believe that costumers and re-enactors who are interested in the historic aspects of their work will find many of the papers of use. (I do encourage people to think of the footnotes as good starting points for sources for further research in each of the topics addressed; even if the focus of a particular paper is highly specific, the footnotes will likely provide a far broader introduction to the scholarly literature on that topic.) You can see contents for Volume 1 here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Volume 2 is here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Depending on when you order, you can sometimes find good prices at Amazon or B&N. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 00:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j994A2ap007022 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:10:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9949jRI070665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9949iKH037726; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9949eQJ037677 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IO200470RJUX100@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:09:21 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I'll check it out. Catriona/Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tippets On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: > How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? It's an annual journal published in book form. It's assumed that most subscribers will be libraries that will want to assemble a complete set, though I suppose that there would be some way for individuals to subscribe as well. Most people, though, will want to buy individual volumes based on their interest in specific papers included. The papers in each volume vary greatly by topic, period, and discipline. It's our goal to have a broad range in each volume, representing early medieval up through early modern (that's the preferred term now for Elizabethan ;-) ), and a variety of approaches: art, literature, documentary studies, archaeology, trade/economics, and experimental reconstruction. The papers are peer-reviewed and academic in nature, not focused on the how-tos of costuming, though we believe that costumers and re-enactors who are interested in the historic aspects of their work will find many of the papers of use. (I do encourage people to think of the footnotes as good starting points for sources for further research in each of the topics addressed; even if the focus of a particular paper is highly specific, the footnotes will likely provide a far broader introduction to the scholarly literature on that topic.) You can see contents for Volume 1 here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM Volume 2 is here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Depending on when you order, you can sometimes find good prices at Amazon or B&N. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 06:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99A5Ml0025582 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99A4rDp095095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99A4lfc058815; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99A4gCP058770 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 04:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-7-230.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.7.230]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2005 18:04:35 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <4348ED13.5060702@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:12:35 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you read about tippets at http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Monthly%20QA%20Pages/Tippets.htm ? Cheers, Aylwen ------------------------------------------------- http://www.regencyreproductions.com monica spence wrote: >Hi Robin-- > >How does one go about subscribing to "Medieval Clothing & Textiles" ? > >Dame Catriona MacDuff / Monica Spence > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Robin Netherton >Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:18 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > > >On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: > > > >>I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were >>made. >> >> > >As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially >everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first >volume of _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_ (issued spring 2005), eds. Gale >Owen-Crocker and myself. For the long answer, I'd suggest you borrow or >ILL it; if you can't get a copy easily, e-mail me directly and we'll work >something out. > > > >>A couple of sources I found said it was a strip of white linen tied >>above the elbow. Others said it was sewn on. >> >> > >Short answer: Most of the "standard" sources are almost certainly wrong. > >The most important conclusions (I'll leave the detailed analysis and >evidence to the article): > >-- The tippets that look like a band around the upper arm with a hanging >streamer (which is what you seem to be asking about) were almost certainly >*not* separate wardrobe items, but rather decorative cuffs on >short-sleeved overgowns, made as part and parcel of the garment. > >-- I can find no suggestion in any source that the bands/streamers were >linen, silk, or other fabric. There is substantial circumstantial evidence >that the depictions were meant to indicate fur -- in fact, an extension of >the (almost always white) fur lining typically used on these gowns. > > > >>Yet other things I have seen and read make it seem like a scaled down >>version of the wide belled sleeves and made from the same fabric as >>the surcotte. >> >> > >This sounds like a description of certain other decorative sleeve endings >from near to the same time period. A thorough look at the visual sources >shows that sleeve endings pass through a sequence of stages, the >band-and-streamer tippet being only one style in that sequence. > >Some modern costumers use the term "tippet" to refer to several different >types of hanging sleeve decorations, and then distinguish them by various >terms such as "integral tippets" or "banded tippets" or whatever -- though >I have seen a lot of inconsistency in the modern use of such terms, and >there is no parallel distinction in the (highly fluid and imprecise) >terminology of the period. The word "tippet" was used for a variety of >things, including hood tails. > > > >>Does anyone know if there is any extant examples that are clear on the >>construction? Or any resources that may be specific on the >>construction. >> >> > >There are (to my knowledge) no extant tippets. There are plentiful visual >sources of varying quality, rare written references to the style, and >(again to my knowledge) absolutely no line-item entries in inventories, >wills, shop lists, etc. As near as I can tell, they are never referred to >as separate items, only as a feature of a particular style of garment. > > > >> I saw one version at an SCA event that had them like a lining on a >>cuff and then turned up to show the contrasting fabric. ... From what >>I have seen, the SCA example I saw was not accurate. >> >> > >It was probably more accurate than most of the other examples you may have >seen, as I suspect the band-and-streamer style developed as a formalized >version of the visual impression created by turning up a fur-lined short >sleeve with a hanging extension, which was the sleeve style immediately >preceding the appearance of the tippet. But *that* is my own speculation. > >For the long version, I refer you to the article. > >--Robin > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 08:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99CXeqM032212 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99CXIMs005814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99CXC1H013688; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99CX8cN013635 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADFD01E4; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:33:01 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Oct 05 12:32:57 -0000 Message-ID: <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660510071411u4ab3448as50d56471609a6daf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 08:36:29 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This project looks like it will keep you out of mischief! In real size, how big are these pieces to be; or are the pics real size? You speak of sleeves and chemise: will this piece show outside or will it remain only for interior beauty? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Stewart" To: "HCostume" ; "Brenda / Filipia" Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... > Hi all... working late and finally have a chance to update things... so > just in case anyone is interested in the state of the Punto Tagliato > Lace Commission... > > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ms154/LaceComm/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 09:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99DKgWj000394 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99DKLX9015368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99DKIHG029969; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99DKExW029933 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05039 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:44:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <4348ED13.5060702@earthlydelights.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, A & J Garden wrote: > Have you read about tippets at > http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Monthly%20QA%20Pages/Tippets.htm ? :-) Different period, completely different clothing item from the 14th c. detail the original poster asked about. However, the fact that the word "tippet" was used around 1800 for a fur accessory that had long hanging tails may suggest that the word retained a "fur" connection, adding slightly to the evidence that the word had been associated with a hanging fur item 400 years earlier. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 13:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j99HSNN2004393 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:28:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j99HRkRi042064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99HRfpc030116; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j99HRc22030047 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so77472qbq for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d6fE/kYnEA54744Xxw8CgNDxmWOdksg7DkqM3FUJ5gp4TtkdqsYSpUuaUsvOT2Fg6Qoj1U2IrOueOiz1phDg0BmKBZwx04r3/AsabC8+SSWFworNAjalKxyv2Luru7Jf+wcRAMazPgOLPOrXT/8uj3mfINJVP4ibH3tAirv3mzY= Received: by 10.64.152.9 with SMTP id z9mr2669034qbd; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510091027y69d3c145y6a318764519e57c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:27:32 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... In-Reply-To: <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660510071411u4ab3448as50d56471609a6daf@mail.gmail.com> <008701c5ccce$13cf2900$975083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j99HRc22030047 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey there... the squares which hold the Punto Tagliato work are all near to 4.5 inches in length and each little square is approximately 1/4 inch by 1/4 inch. These panels of lace will decorate the exterior of each sleeve, and only be seen if peeking through an over layer, or when the lady removes her outer sleeves. ;> So pretty much - I suspect the full scope of the sleeves won't be seen once the project is finished. Mari / Bridgette On 10/9/05, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > This project looks like it will keep you out of mischief! In real size, how > big are these pieces to be; or are the pics real size? You speak of sleeves > and chemise: will this piece show outside or will it remain only for > interior beauty? > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Stewart" > To: "HCostume" ; "Brenda / Filipia" > > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:11 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Punto Tagliato Lace Commission... > > > > Hi all... working late and finally have a chance to update things... so > > just in case anyone is interested in the state of the Punto Tagliato > > Lace Commission... > > > > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/ms154/LaceComm/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 20:52:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A0qLwO010687 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A0pkCa076783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A0pbR3016173; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A0pWLf016117 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89233CEB1 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:52:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's dress from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can get) I'm looking for a basic diagram of something like this: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm or this: (woman in lower right corner) http://www.englishcountrydancing.org/17001705.jpg I specifically need this decade, and unfortunately Patterns of Fashion doesn't have a dress of this cut. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:02:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A22u08011505 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A22HMW085542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A22AwM045291; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A226V8045260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.40] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9A2230g013493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:01:29 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not online, unfortunately, but here are two possibilities in book form: Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800" has a detailed pattern, description, and sewing guide to the mantua. Hill and Bucknell's "The Evolution of Fashion" also makes the attempt. Also, here's a modern attempt at same: http://www.cdny.org/christine.html - Hope Dawn wrote: > Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's dress > from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can get) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2Nr1i011741 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:23:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2NZ2L087362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NVOQ054974; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NRkO054938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.241] (pool180-241.patriot.net [209.249.180.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j9A2N6OE016688 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:23:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:21:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Does anyone know of an available source that diagrams a woman's >dress from this period? (preferably online, but I'll take what I can >get) > >I'm looking for a basic diagram of something like this: > >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm Someone diagrammed this gown! She was a curator at the Met at the time, but was at another museum at the time of the presentation. At the Costume Society of America meeting held in Williamsburg (1999?) it was one of the presentations. The curator was able to figure out the exact layout of the gown on the yardage because of the large size motifs of the bizarre silk. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I'm trying to remember if the layout was given on a handout, or does anyone remember the name of the lady who did the research? That might help Dawn track down the diagram. I do remember that it was mostly straight cuts, not a lot of curves, and no significant wasted fabric. You probably know this already, but wear it over stays! Early 18thC stays are a lot straighter than the 3rd & 4th quarters. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:24:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2O1hU011744 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2Nalo087365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NZId055002; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NW5F054975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-227.sonic.net [209.148.113.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2NUbH014588 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:23:30 -0700 Message-ID: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:23:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The first edition has diagrams of 43 garments that were replaced by text on 20th-century clothing in the second edition. I'm going from memory, but I think the mantua Payne took a pattern from is in the Metropolitan Museum. The photos at the bottom of the page might be from a Met exhibit catalog or website. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com > Not online, unfortunately, but here are two possibilities in book form: > Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen, 1500-1800" has > a detailed pattern, description, and sewing guide to the mantua. Hill > and Bucknell's "The Evolution of Fashion" also makes the attempt. > > Also, here's a modern attempt at same: > http://www.cdny.org/christine.html > > - Hope > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:35:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2Zu1x011888 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:35:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2ZYVj088248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ZVHj059933; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ZSOC059877 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so892574wri for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EFWqxoOQoJ/vDWJW48YY/Ht/sk9Z3+C+eEjQT0q9Jbmn7xtzPljcWaeHDOg6C9mU1aDlFFfO91DBdMTPLt9xLPuNE8Kp5S90ws4dt4HbUv1tNqtVEqF9efAmw7HYKNU4+YO7OLWUOmPLh61WVp/re3FBHW+b5YZtFpAqOJr/5Eg= Received: by 10.54.149.8 with SMTP id w8mr3089505wrd; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:35:23 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9A2Zu1x011888 Status: RO I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the gown there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts section and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book and thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a difference? Bice On 10/9/05, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the > first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient > Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The first edition has diagrams of > 43 garments that were replaced by text on 20th-century clothing in the > second edition. I'm going from memory, but I think the mantua Payne > took a pattern from is in the Metropolitan Museum. The photos at the > bottom of the page might be from a Met exhibit catalog or website. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 22:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A2f4Cq011940 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A2eiOp088736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2ehab062426; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A2een0062335 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353473CEAF for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:40:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4349D4C6.1070705@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:41:10 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > Without checking the book, that looks like the dress diagrammed in the > first edition of Blanche Payne's /_History of Costume: From the Ancient > Egyptians to the Twentieth Century./_ The one in Payne is dated 1690, but you're right, it's cut the same. Thanks. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 23:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A3B0PN012333 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A3AUMv091028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3ASMa074730; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3ANAB074675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EOo38-0001CQ-Bi; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:10:02 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the gown > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts section > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book and > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > difference? > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 9 23:23:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9A3NtNi012482 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:23:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9A3NWdb092182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3NVr5079817; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9A3NTAY079765 for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so895058wri for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UlgUEsSKRaZQuXJBG9LWXRF7BucgNqjNy2We/LXwz1uugHKSfzGKHQxCCZBEvlJOXHlN0BsIrmC98+eB7TgIeFA8sd5OG1gAa0oPD5l0t0oxYwAOa2CxPZKG2m/+sgtYtAcdr+rKjjUnmJ8PvR1gjcSVtJGrjX7qXYiMv7DwOSU= Received: by 10.54.86.1 with SMTP id j1mr3092702wrb; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:23:23 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9A3NtNi012482 Status: RO I didn't go that far back I was looking at 18th century. I did see the dress on page 413 figure 434 and thought at fast glance that was it. But as it's at the Copenhagen Museum that is unlikely. On 10/9/05, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > > > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the > gown > > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts > section > > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book > and > > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > > difference? > > > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 06:36:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AAaou8014182 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:36:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AAaFDw036914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AAa9vh039692; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AAa3Zv039659 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9AAZqri020927 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:35:52 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.75.254] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-75-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.254]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AAZC9j026595 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:22:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets In-Reply-To: <20051008044502.33597.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. I had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AB0RfS015936 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AB09rC038434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AB07sS048209; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AB03Nq048156 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.201]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8319147FECF for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:00:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have not Blanche Paynes book, but i think i must have it, is it still available? If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of it in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford anything else at that time. The danish mantua dates from 1695 - 1709 (because that timeperiod, the lady who owned it was married. It is made of a french silk patterned with large scale scrolls of leaves and flowers, heavily with goldthread and emerald green bottom. Has a large train and sleave cuffs are buttoned with two buttons. Sleaves have many layed down pleats wich so often is seen in Watteaus paintings. Cuffs are pleated also a la raquette. The fronts are pleated to the waist and the overskirt is lifted up in the sides by cord and button back in the bodice. The back of the bodice is so beatifull with deep pleats. If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the pleats when they drew the curve. This dress is the eldest whole garment in Denmark. It was exhibited last year on the national museum where they had an exhibition about the danish manorhouses. It also is very heavy because of the gold threads. In the underskirt it has pockets - yes real folded pockets in the side seams. It is my favourite museum dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua I didn't go that far back I was looking at 18th century. I did see the dress on page 413 figure 434 and thought at fast glance that was it. But as it's at the Copenhagen Museum that is unlikely. On 10/9/05, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > Quoting Jacqueline Johnson : > > > I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the > gown > > there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts > section > > and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book > and > > thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a > > difference? > > > > > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABCeP0016036 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ABCL2d039247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABCJtJ052427; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABCFuG052340 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010111210.GIVG1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.163.54]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010111210.EOTC2213.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] (really [219.89.163.54]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051010111210.SUPS28588.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:07 +1300 Message-ID: <009a01c5cd8b$73991e50$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:12:06 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm > > I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of > my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555. <> The pattern at the back is for the other Met mantua: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm There is supposed to also be a cutting diagram for this item in Cut of Women's Dress. I have wanted to get my hands on it to compare. Arnold has a pattern for a 1708-09 mantua from Clive House Museum, pages 70-71 of Patterns of Fashion 1. There is a wrapping gown that was supposed to be a reassembled mantua in there too. There is an absolutely delightful Mantua fromt he very early 18thC in a small out of print book. There is a cutting diagram for it too, however the library copy I had did not have it, lost by some student or other. Sigh. I don't think the pattern was there even when I went to the University! michaela de bruce with enough green velveteen to make mantua for many people, but is settling on making just one;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 07:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ABrBoe016503 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ABql9b042361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABqiVP069666; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ABqerP069621 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010115234.ZDDL10208.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:34 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051010115234.VPQN1650.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:34 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.13]); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:33 +1300 Message-ID: <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net><4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:52:33 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of it > in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" > I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford > anything else at that time. > If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about > the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the > pleats when they drew the curve. I for one would dearly love to see the pattern, as I've been trying to compare the various cutting techniques used in the mantua from this time. I'm a little perplexed about the wool mantua pattern actually as it suggests it is cut witha rounded shape at the side. I'd like to compare the Payne diagram to the Waugh pattern (Cut of Women's Clothes) to see if they agree on this matter. If I could get my sticky paws on the English mantua from that wee book as well....... michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 08:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ACYgGR017025 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:34:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ACYLod046117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ACYJae087462; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9ACYFSN087372 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34311 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 12:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.119.230 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 12:34:09 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:32:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua In-Reply-To: <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu> <4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com> <7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com> <20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9ACYFSN087372 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:52 10/10/2005, you wrote: > > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of >it > > in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" > > I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford > > anything else at that time. > > > If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about > > the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the > > pleats when they drew the curve. > >I for one would dearly love to see the pattern, as I've been trying to >compare the various cutting techniques used in the mantua from this time. >I'm a little perplexed about the wool mantua pattern actually as it suggests >it is cut witha rounded shape at the side. I'd like to compare the Payne >diagram to the Waugh pattern (Cut of Women's Clothes) to see if they agree >on this matter. > >If I could get my sticky paws on the English mantua from that wee book as >well....... The English mantua you refer to is in a book called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 09:08:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AD8M5b017425 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AD7hYD048946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AD7cHw002737; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AD7Ygv002667 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j9AD7Sm01859.; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:07 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Bleak House, was Henry James film Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AD8M5b017425 Status: RO Correction - "Bleak House" doesn't start this week after all. There was a feature in "Radio Times", but it looks as though the actual first episode will not be shown until later in the month. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 09:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ADIvqi017538 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ADIJk5050739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ADIHBx009613; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ADIEpd009594 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m137.in-tch.com [216.166.191.137]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id j9ADBKA07083 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've run into something similar, recently, with a current re-using of the word "wimple" to describe a knitted thing ranging from a simple, oversized tube that functions a bit like the turtlenecked part on a turtleneck sweater (except that you can pull it up over your head, leaving your face exposed, for warmth), or a hooded cowl, built similarly to a medieval hood with cowl (although missing the liripipe). It always causes this momentary "huh?" with me, because I'm most familiar with the word as used to refer to the woven/linen medieval women's item frequently paired with a veil. ;o) --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. > > I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. I > had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period > tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 12:15:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AGFpKi020612 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AGFJAq074581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AGFDAB026391; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AGF8VW026254 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5763CEB7 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:14:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434A93AD.5070709@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:15:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com> <7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com> <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have not Blanche Paynes book, but i think i must have it, is it still > available? It is out of print and has been for a very long time (the 1st edition with diagrams) but you can find used copies online if you search on the title. > If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of > it in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" ... > This dress is the eldest whole garment in Denmark. It was exhibited last > year on the national museum where they had an exhibition about the > danish manorhouses. It also is very heavy because of the gold threads. > In the underskirt it has pockets - yes real folded pockets in the side > seams. It is my favourite museum dress. > I would love to see any pictures of the original or your reproduction, or any diagrams you might have. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 13:14:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AHEFav021476 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AHDl8h087700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHDhN4073265; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHDV71073023 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.78.7d3d7891 (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/9/2005 8:52:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: I specifically need this decade, and unfortunately Patterns of Fashion doesn't have a dress of this cut. But it DOES! Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 13:40:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AHeImc021883 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AHdj07091505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHdX7T094801; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AHdNB0094558 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848413CEB1 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:39:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434AA76F.5070505@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:39:59 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <78.7d3d7891.307bfb2c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > But it DOES! > > Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. Ah, thanks. Arnold was the first place I checked. Sigh, why did it have to be stuck in the back instead of in chronological order like every other garment in the book. :/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 14:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AI2Jhu022230 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AI1R8s094852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI1O8A012734; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI0vBn012392 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.dd.2f7dde83 (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Sigh, why did it have to be stuck in the back instead of in chronological order like every other garment in the book. :/ ***************** That sneaky Janet! Actually I think it's part of an appendix. You'll notice the corrections for the quilted 1745-60 outfit there too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:24:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJOH9O023647 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJIkS3005527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJIc0e073345; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJIX2G073250 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EP3AN-000E4M-8H for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:18:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:16:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Tippets / wimples References: <4.3.1.2.20051010032034.038a2e98@mail.frys.com> <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <000601c5cd9d$f9723c20$89bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it for the specific item covering the neck, worn with a separate veil. Someone asked for instructions for one, and got instructions for the other, which made no sense to them at all! Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >I've run into something similar, recently, with a current re-using of the >word "wimple" to describe a knitted thing ranging from a simple, oversized >tube that functions a bit like the turtlenecked part on a turtleneck sweater >(except that you can pull it up over your head, leaving your face exposed, >for warmth), or a hooded cowl, built similarly to a medieval hood with cowl >(although missing the liripipe). It always causes this momentary "huh?" >with me, because I'm most familiar with the word as used to refer to the >woven/linen medieval women's item frequently paired with a veil. ;o) >--sue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:22 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets > > >> >> >I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. >> >> I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. >I >> had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period >> tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> //// \\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> ((( <> )))) >> ) (((((( >> /----\ /---\)) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:35:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJZr4X023894 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJZOYt007682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJZI6U086361; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJZA3R086187 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17395 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:59:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets / wimples In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Jean Waddie wrote: > I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval > (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a > single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and > shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it for the specific item > covering the neck, worn with a separate veil. Someone asked for > instructions for one, and got instructions for the other, which made > no sense to them at all! I bumped into this very difference when editing an article by my colleague, Gale Owen-Crocker, who works on Anglo-Saxon dress. My experience is mostly in 14th c. We used the word differently, just as you descibed, and went round and round for a while till we sorted it out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:48:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJmdeY024171 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJmDn4009410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJmCVc096796; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AI7sEZ017769 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.20.4f000fde (48600) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20.4f000fde.307c07ed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:07:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/10/2005 1:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > Vol. 1, 1660-1860 Pages 70 and 71. Ah, thanks. Arnold was the first place I checked I must add, that it is [painfully] obvious from her pattern this gown was draped on a body or mannequin. No one would flat pattern anything and come up with such a pattern. If you can find the Jean Hunnisett book, she has refined the basics of the draped pattern to a very managable flat pattern [and you still have to drape a lot]. It may not be accurate but....even if you go with the totally draped route...her ideas and directions are very informative and helpful. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 15:54:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AJseJD024290 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJsONe010215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJsLdX001808; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.76.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJsFmv001657 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from 204.127.205.142 (smailcenter68.comcast.net[204.127.205.168]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20051010195410011009g4iue>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:10 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.24] by 204.127.205.142; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:08 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:54:08 +0000 Message-Id: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO www.trulyvictorian.com You'll have to order from their site but I think teir victorian patterns are the most beautiful and easy to use out there. Traci -------------- Original message -------------- > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be > on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the > mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project > like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > Roscelin > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:00:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK0hf5024396 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:00:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK08ha011086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK06Pn006581; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9AK00cn006457 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15337 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2005 19:59:03 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:59:03 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A090103070402 07040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen > to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. > Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose > to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. It depends on the true time frame...."Victorian" covers around 50 years of fashion. For later 1870's and later, Truly Victorian has nice patterns that I hear are good. For 1850's & 1860's there are a few out there but I don't know which ones are good. One of the major pattern companies has a good historical pattern for 1850's by Martha McCain. There are also patterns for the corset and petticoats. Try the reviews on this website: http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/index.html These are reviews of different patterns by people in my local Costumer's Guild. They might give you some good insight.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK2I7N024429 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK1sLp011276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK1qwY008028; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK1mao007872 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so979303wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K4EokS0J73toq8C2tW9FTg/qbXkN7kUzzYkBLtQTGV8nhCZdhR0NUSLjuTw9Tfn93zInYXfcKs40PLcfbTAgX7QIOYPNH8StXiqU1cSKhMRp+1C5FOvwZjd6TJCRAUUH3CaoLWIZmKVpgdFtqRdBBzFhAS8AZjKH2bUbbeZoFWs= Received: by 10.54.157.12 with SMTP id f12mr3069182wre; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:01:42 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AK2I7N024429 Status: RO Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net or pastpatterns.com I also have had super ease with lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. bice > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to > be > > on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all > of the > > mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a > project > > like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:02:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK2gkw024436 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AJjKxJ008968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJjIgw094351; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AJjCTB094197 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rmailcenter73.comcast.net[204.127.197.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005101019450601300jpb8he>; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:06 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:05 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:05 +0000 Message-Id: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings everyone, I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AK5aEt024507 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AK5DrC011623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK5BK9010544; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AK54hY010444 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17748 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKCYaa024598 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKCErc012568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKC9JV016026; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKC3DF015893 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DE3CEB1 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:11:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434ACB3A.8070309@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:12:42 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > That would depend on which part of the "Victorian" period she wanted to represent. 1837-1901 is a BIG chunk of time and fashion. :) Simplicity generally covers the American Civil War years well. 1861-65. I have used the men's patterns and found them to be very detailed, and quite a bit of work. They also have two later dresses 1870-1880 ish, and an earlier pattern for 'Dickens carolers' (~1840) which are more 'costume' than reproduction. McCall's has a couple Civil War style ball gowns. Butterick's got a big hoop-skirt dress and a slimmer 1870ish dress. Again, these are more 'costume' patterns than clothing reproductions, but they could work well for stage without being too much fuss. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:21:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKLGEN024709 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:21:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKJDmE013235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJAKd021575; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJ48W021478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-90.sonic.net [209.148.114.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKJ2Ph006914 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: <434ACCB7.2060501@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:19:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Past Patterns are very good, their URL is www.pastpatterns.com. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Victorian and Edwardian Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > >Roscelin >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:28:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKS6jM024862 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:28:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKR4ax014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKR21X027690; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKQtKT027525 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928563CEB7 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:26:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434ACEB6.4070308@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:27:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] KWCS report? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it > went? I had fun. I thought it was worth the entrance fee (and the two hour drive) , and I learned something in every class. There was a bit of a crush at registration, and somehow I missed the costume show after lunch (they started on time, who expected that?) I thought there was a good selection of vendors, a lot better quality merchandise than I recall seeing at any SCA event from back when I was playing regularly. Let's see, I took a men's medieval wear class and Kass McGann's Irish class Saturday, missed Marc Carlson's shoe class as a result :(. Sat in a good class on early Spanish men's wear, and one on Russian women's clothing and then there was the long drive home. Sunday it was the Historic Replicas class, and somehow I missed the German clothing class after that, and went to another early Spanish one. The pleatwork embroidery lecture that afternoon was pretty well researched, I thought, some real interesting material. The last two hours were kind of a bust, I didn't think much of either class, so I won't mention what they were. Likely the teachers were as tired as I was. I bought some buttons and some silk for the stash. Anyone know where next years event is going to be? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:29:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKToSa024900 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTKDW014661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTIBc029681; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTDtM029587 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C0BC17EB2 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Address correction - http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ and thanks for the sites Bice De -----Original Message----- Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net or pastpatterns.com I also have had super ease with lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:29:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKTwLp024906 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:29:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTOAV014684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTNTp029747; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTIOX029680 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28140 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:17 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Thread-Index: AcXN1wviMwr+Eg3mRM61GdsriM14VAAAPG8g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9AKTIOX029680 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What part of the Victorian era is she representing? McCalls and Butterick carry patterns that have the general line and pretty modern cut if she is just after the look, especially the 1840's-60's "Dickens' Christmas Carol" If she wants 1850's-1865 and to be authentic in cut, go for the Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity that also include chemise, petticoat and hoopskirt patterns. Certainly not simple, but if she is also interested in reinacting or just a history buff, it might be worth the work. All three companies carry 1870-ish bustle back dress patterns. Butterick also has some Belle Epoque 1890-1905 pretty authentic-looking patterns in their "Making History series. Also, she'll want to fit in with the rest of the cast, unless she is doing a solo turn, so what is everyone wearing? Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > That would depend on which part of the "Victorian" period she wanted to represent. 1837-1901 is a BIG chunk of time and fashion. :) Simplicity generally covers the American Civil War years well. 1861-65. I have used the men's patterns and found them to be very detailed, and quite a bit of work. They also have two later dresses 1870-1880 ish, and an earlier pattern for 'Dickens carolers' (~1840) which are more 'costume' than reproduction. McCall's has a couple Civil War style ball gowns. Butterick's got a big hoop-skirt dress and a slimmer 1870ish dress. Again, these are more 'costume' patterns than clothing reproductions, but they could work well for stage without being too much fuss. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:30:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKUIIS024917 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:30:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKTtYY014756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTrNm030117; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKTnkV030057 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 28F501BD540; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.2.150.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.2.150]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 430F91BDA29 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <023701c5cdd6$edab7760$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <101020051954.24091.434AC6E0000800D800005E1B2207020653CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:09:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have heard nothing but good stuff about their patterns--check reviews here: http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/tv.htm -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: > www.trulyvictorian.com > You'll have to order from their site but I think teir victorian patterns > are the most beautiful and easy to use out there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKk398025226 for ; 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Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:45:16 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AKk398025226 Status: RO No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian someplace if anyone wants them. Bice On 10/10/05, otsisto wrote: > > Address correction - > http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ > and thanks for the sites Bice > De > > -----Original Message----- > Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of > Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more > accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net < > http://trulyvictorian.net> or > pastpatterns.com I > also have had super ease with > lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. > > bice > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 16:52:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AKqEoo025382 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AKpuVn017630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKprbZ048007; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AKpmtB047839 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so856769wxd for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BrQK91iqQP94xF6SaPfYcav0bw0BaCkxiQ4EyDeC8E6acMlDrdI5KewKxgbxp07yPaD+TWJeoIjlrdIGQfOb2ZbsNnqBXeCGTdgGRoBwfAUs1W4GSN/fdoZKQtnNRZ7SBKze4mN7TQuBCzgq1CZseo4n5JIKaosg4qfQo9ZQHr4= Received: by 10.70.117.1 with SMTP id p1mr3402150wxc; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.10 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:40 -0700 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9AKpmtB047839 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bice, it's always good to have options. Please post if you would. Thanks, LynnD On 10/10/05, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian someplace > if anyone wants them. > Bice > > On 10/10/05, otsisto wrote: > > > > Address correction - > > http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/ > > and thanks for the sites Bice > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Well if you want "mainstream" I had a fairly easy time with any of > > Simplicity's historical patterns. If you want still easy yet a bit more > > accurate I'd suggest trulyvictorian.net < > > http://trulyvictorian.net> or > > pastpatterns.com I > > also have had super ease with > > lafnmoon.com 's new patterns. > > > > bice > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 17:05:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9AL5GNe025562 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9AL4p4d019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AL4jch058058; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9AL4fvZ057903 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so986479wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MRzN96pj9uTmUV0nci1c3knny76iPCFwHrh+PEeXeueOfvcMo35FFM5OnMHExq5Lf4vt7QOcvVuE9g6NKBpwjmUkuuu/lfljayYz7JPDLz6V8pPs8KhVvEo2K4iAcTpnkqB4VmyeWs2Cv5APSa/W3q8IGf8md3b3a4AIxeafHMg= Received: by 10.54.148.15 with SMTP id v15mr497621wrd; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101404ia4a1cecl777a457b5dcb926d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:04:36 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern In-Reply-To: <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7164eae90510101301w706ace5vf939acfcdfb49b36@mail.gmail.com> <7164eae90510101345m4385a3f8u50fd8c2f33b35dec@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c0510101351q32c3dd4dt15138135f6345288@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9AL5GNe025562 Status: RO I have a links page for my own use but some of the links on it are not all too appropriate. So let me make up a new page that is G rated. Bice On 10/10/05, Lynn Downward wrote: > > Bice, it's always good to have options. Please post if you would. > > Thanks, > LynnD > > On 10/10/05, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > No problem. I have a few more pattern companies that do victorian > someplace > > if anyone wants them. > > Bice > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 17:21:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9ALLION025763 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9ALKuGR021630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ALKnfw070153; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9ALKkjK070065 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so988405wri for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=GKBIJLnqyn1YoP2sH2cBw5+51eitlenuR2Wp+yEEkfp0Cf9vuGwmTpe0Gn/+0xK1/xO1WFVfH5TXV6LK8ZdhMnF8mEfCcMJ1Rvv3VMpKHuwlhKFyxLMq9eFwb5l7gbZPZh20ttCeiQUWJvjUm4IFIdunxUNMqnmyxbgp3hd4+PI= Received: by 10.54.139.13 with SMTP id m13mr3349168wrd; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.105.6 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7164eae90510101420y40ca85edg732eb04da9324b24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:20:41 -0400 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bice's links X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j9ALLION025763 Status: RO I made the page and hopefully there are some peole haven't seen. They are fairly well organized although this is a bare basics page. If I get time I'll arrange it a bit better this week. http://snipurl.com/icz2 Bice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 10 21:37:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B1b95w029212 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:37:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9B1ZtDZ057817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9B1ZhP4020134; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9B1Zdnb020062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9B36E39016254 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:06:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Costume pattern Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:35:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <101020051945.28718.434AC4C10002811A0000702E22073007939C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8967.162.119.64.110.1128974654.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510102135.28640.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 10 October 2005 4:04 pm, Diana Habra wrote: > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I'm asking this question for my future mother-in-law. She was chosen > > to be on stage for a holiday concert and needs to sew a Victorian gown. > > Of all of the mainstream pattern companies, which one would you choose > > to use for a project like this? Thanks for any assistance. > > It depends on the true time frame...."Victorian" covers around 50 years of > fashion. For later 1870's and later, Truly Victorian has nice patterns > that I hear are good. Truly Victorian actually has a few patterns for 1850s and 1860s, though I admit the only ones I've tried are for the later years. If you're interested, go to www.trulyvictorian.com and check out their line--it's organized by time period. -- Cathy Raymond "As a general rule, if end users want to smash something repeatedly with a sledgehammer, that's a sign of bad UI."--Bram Cohen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 20:52:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C0q99L013844 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C0pfBo013855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C0pXgu011329; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C0pTnn011245 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012005123.TYBA2927.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:23 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012005122.WMXC5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:22 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.14]); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:25 +1300 Message-ID: <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:24 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The English mantua you refer to is in a book > called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise > Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. > Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the > mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date of the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube basically. The text I can make out says: "... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum." (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) "13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which filled the space in the front of the bodice." (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has a fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. I seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but there is no info on their site. regards, michaela de bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 21:37:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C1bTvv014393 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:37:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C1b8fN017496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1b6Rj032412; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1b3dC032358 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2A43CECC for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:37:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html Ooooh, more pictures, thank you! > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > think it is in the 2000 calendar. It is , I have just checked. Also the blue one from LA (?) is in the 1998 calendar. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 21:52:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C1qXoR014559 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C1q7bq018764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1q6WC039631; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C1q2HQ039540 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012015155.JRED1610.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:55 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.163.54]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051012015155.XCTJ2213.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:55 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.163.54]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vG.2.00.00.00 201-2161-108-101-20050407) with ESMTP id <20051012015154.KSJI28588.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:54 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.14]); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:56 +1300 Message-ID: <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1><003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:56 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as opposed > > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html > > Ooooh, more pictures, thank you! No worries:) I've been on a break from studying this style as I've been emersed in the start of the 20thC for a show I'm in and have been working on costumes from the same period. But I have been planning on making either a plain wool one (oooohhh my mauve wool flannel....) or one from my scads of green velveteen;) There are a few other items from the same time that I found but haven't put into my "memories" on my lj. > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > > think it is in the 2000 calendar. > > It is , I have just checked. Also the blue one from LA (?) is in the > 1998 calendar. Oooh, do you have any info on the mantua in the SQ&A calendar? I'd love to know more before bombarding museums with questions;) If you look in my memories section of my lj, you'll find a section for mantua and related dress of the time. http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=pinkdiamond michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 11 23:17:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9C3H2dv015650 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9C3GMaU026302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C3GKMK080022; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9C3GHmD079979 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFA13CED0 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:16:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434C8023.9080400@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:16:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net> <4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela> <6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1><003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> <434C68E5.6090201@reddawn.net> <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00db01c5cecf$86d0cc30$0401010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO michaela wrote: > > Oooh, do you have any info on the mantua in the SQ&A calendar? I'd love to > know more before bombarding museums with questions;) The 2000 calendar says it's in the ROM, Toronto: "Mantua, early 1700, English or Dutch. Silk damask woven with exotic foliate motif. Museum purchase." also: "The damask mantua is one of the handful extant, and is cut with the sleeves and gown in one piece. It employs the full width of the cloth, and is fitted with pleats and tucks over the shoulders and centre back. The long train is draped up at each side to reveal the reverse of the fabric. " Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 09:32:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CDWS45021838 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CDVslt090177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CDVp4a024706; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CDVllu024677 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.10]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BB6FD5EE011 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:31:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002701c5cf31$4e6b5010$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4349BB31.6040209@reddawn.net><4349CB79.7000200@uvm.edu><4349D0A3.804@lavoltapress.com><7164eae90510091935o5adeaeb0pe88074a072d8b912@mail.gmail.com><20051009221002.01e5lzr9g7u2o0sc@www.goldsword.com><7164eae90510092023x37a4d276w7f9f94866a5a668f@mail.gmail.com><001701c5cd89$cea30150$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><00ba01c5cd91$19f13f80$0401010a@michaela><6.2.3.4.0.20051010132843.01d3eda0@127.0.0.1> <003801c5cec7$129ba090$0401010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:31:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Michaela I have the pattern cut for this mantua also if you are interrested. From the small catalogue womens fashion from 1600 1750. I baught this many years ago on Victoria & Albert, my very first visit to London. Let me know if i can help you with this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua >> The English mantua you refer to is in a book >> called "18th Century Women's Costume at Blaise >> Castle House" by Helen Burnett and Cleo Witt. >> Printed by Bristol City Museum. However, the >> mantua is dated c.1738-41. It still has its matching petticoat. > > I just found my livejournal with my list of extant early mantua (as > opposed > to the very stylised later mantua) and found the book I had seen it in: > http://www.livejournal.com/users/pinkdiamond/334570.html > Title: Women's costumes 1600-1750, [by] Zillah Halls. > Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969. > Other Author(s): Halls, Zillah. > I didn't manage to snaffle the date of the mantua but I can read the date > of > the stomacher as being 1720-30. The petticoat looks to be a quilted tube > basically. > The text I can make out says: > "... open robe worn over a separate corset and separate skirt was > established. The elaborately-arranged skirt, pinned or buttoned back, is > occasionally though not frequently found throughout the first half of the > 18th century; there are four examples in the London Museum." > (view of the back of the mantua and petticoat) > "13 stomacher 1720-30, (no.[??]) > The stomacher was a separate triangular piece, usually embroidered, which > filled the space in the front of the bodice." > (view of the front of the Mantua, pettcoat and stomacher. > > I adore this example. It's so very simple but effective. The stomacher has > a > fine pattern embroidered with horizontal lines. > > > > Unfortunately the image on the Sally Queen and Associates page has gone, I > think it is in the 2000 calendar. I'm going to email to ask if this is so. > I > seem to recall it being in the colletcion of the Royal Ontaria Museum, but > there is no info on their site. > > > regards, > michaela de bruce > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: > 11/10/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 12:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CGdVGH030448 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CGca5t023813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CGcSWF065078; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CFXrsH006483 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r5.5.) id 6.1aa.4089e102 (15700) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R35 (fwm-r35.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.139]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d54434d2cd43c7; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:41 -0400 From: tearoses@aol.com Message-Id: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.139) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:33:40 -0400 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.14204 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.139 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin ========================================= I went with Dawn, and I had a blast. I got to do Marc Carlson's shoe demo, which was awesome. Not that I'll ever attempt to make a medieval shoe, mind you, but his class was great and the shoes he had as examples were beautiful. And now I know what grave wax is. :) I took Kass McGann's German class, which was very entertaining and informative. I'm a complete newbie to German clothes, so some of it was a little over my head, but it was worthwhile anyway. And I absolutely couldn't believe it when Dawn told me Kass had done all the cutwork on her costume by hand. Totally droolworthy. Later that afternoon I was in the other German class. I can't remember the instructor's name but she said she used to be a member of this list. She disagreed with some of Kass's conclusions, but she had several really cool books to look at and reconstructions of her version of the famous Cranach dress. And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 13:17:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CHHcCQ001525 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CHHALj034261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHH46s000794; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CHGi9k000611 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q12so315951qbq for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B93F3m+56aJloT60jlDx6Bq9iI8QmgUM0iRrhdJA0RcSdUJhXigHORrUbPEyVmeyXl40sJKygWMZSufTvz0RFTZFXy6xpx6AFnUShlzcLBWhfnWK01lQsdkY0+nlXnxFpbgc0ASMdQh3qOEByaeyYXluVAN6hFla/R9EaGHeRf0= Received: by 10.64.149.2 with SMTP id w2mr517344qbd; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.14 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660510121014t6a9f177wbab5aebe0b6d49dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:14:22 -0400 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS report? In-Reply-To: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8C79D59750B6EFB-304-16740@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9CHGi9k000611 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like it was well worth the trip. Thank you for sharing. If I may ask... would you also share the pleat work contact information... I don't want to swamp the poor lady ; > but I would love to see what she has found. Many thanks, Mari / Bridgette > > And finally, the pleatwork class was really great. She should write a book. Someone on this list was asking about pleated smocks a few months ago -- something about the way the sleeves were placed so there wasn't a shoulder seam but the torso part was pleated into the neck. Whoever that was, e-mail me, and I'll give you the contact info for the teacher of this class, because she had documentation of what you were talking about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 14:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CIIh1U003230 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:18:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CIHgAd041966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CIHaiP048947; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.phx.gbl (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CIHMWv048751 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.29] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.29]) by BAY0-SMTP04.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: <434D5345.7010105@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:41 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 18:17:15.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C9B4760:01C5CF59] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 15:26:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CJQHnc005316 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:26:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CJP3jD049515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJOuQw001023; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52202.mail.yahoo.com (web52202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9CJOrBg000899 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 59175 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2005 19:24:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Odg2aOXoRijXQEY0TqQ0Cvkq+Ntt+lZXA4Qt2obShl+V2qieU0lhHHVQkNeVoC6bTxCM+nKaTs61v3aGH1b7E6bApqzpDP3oFNpYGswiqDXij2G2DNQoO0IwZjwK3ZmTM7h+GPeR7ZUJiNeSwyVtHepX7GSZMqsHdc8+evHh900= ; Message-ID: <20051012192448.59173.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.116.66.83] by web52202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:48 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From everything I've read front loader use a lot less water. We are thinking of getting one so we can reduce our water bill. The one where I work appears to use less water. They do an excellent job of washing the clothes and have been around long enough that all the bugs are out of them. I want mine on a 6" stand though as I have trouble bending down that far all the time. Brin Kendall WickedFrau wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 15:38:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CJcZ2G005610 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:38:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CJc7SH050982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJc4IQ011157; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CJbvvZ011026 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:37:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.60] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510121800.j9CI0ZN1035750@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:37:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2005 19:37:51.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EC39D80:01C5CF64] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: KWCS report? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I went and had a lot of fun. I have some pictures online at my blog at http://www.livejournal.com/users/marccarlson/ (under 11 October) -- I'll put some more up when I get the other rolls developed Friday. (And yes, I have a blog, I had to get the account - long story, and as long as I have it I might as well use it). I have now gotten to meet Kass face to face, which was nice since we've intermittantly corresponded for years (we'd been at MTA one year at the same time, but didn't know who the other was). There were some good classes, most of which I didn't take :) I was out taking pictures. My wife's been really excited by the tablet woven edging and has been whipping through things right and left. Well worth the trip. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:13:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKDuKo006324 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKDL9Z055006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKD6i2038791; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKD2ov038678 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([69.61.174.237]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20051012201256.LMYR5033.smtp3.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:56 -0400 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([69.61.174.237]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20051012201254.EHPF24344.gx6.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20051012161806.00b67310@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:19:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleveland? In-Reply-To: <434824DC.27048.30FF850B@localhost> References: <200510081208.j98C88tH046386@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6E3A6DC X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO well, I am in Cincinnati, the opposite corner of the state from Cleveland, but the Hungarian Heritage Museum downtown is worth a walk through. They have some excellent folk costumes on display. Jennifer At 07:58 PM 10/8/05 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! I'm in Canton, 60 miles south. Cleveland is in the Barony of >the Cleftlands - they are big & quite active. Huge public library >system, one of the best museums in the country, universities all over >the place - LOTS of research opportunities! > >Maria what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:25:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKPseo006615 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKPFDv056589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKPE6W048577; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j9CKP93D048476 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 71063 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 20:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 20:25:03 -0000 Message-ID: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:24:59 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. liz young WickedFrau wrote: > Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is > about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more > water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one > for dying, but that will only last for so long. > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 16:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CKvxmQ007381 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CKvS06060781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKvIbl074516; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CKvB9M074367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j9CKoijf029220 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:50:44 -0400 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <434D78A4.1010306@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:57:08 -0400 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? References: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <434D711B.8030507@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using > Dylon machine dye from the UK. > Worked great. I've done it with regular Dylon dye; worked great. I put the dye & other additives in first, let it roll for a minute or two to mix, then put in the clothes. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Then to the King's Theatre, where we saw "Midsummer's Night's Dream," which I had never seen before, nor shall ever again, for it is the most insipid ridiculous play that ever I saw in my life." -- Samuel Pepys, 1662 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 17:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CL7oHr007628 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CL7SrR062015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CL7Q4S082660; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CL7Mt1082601 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08170 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:07:21 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Thread-Index: AcXPWZHD+zg7SPycTCazp837RPwSyAAFVwqQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j9CL7Mt1082601 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Start shopping now as washer will most likely die when you least expect it. Unless it is an old reliable thing and you have a relative, neighbor, connection that can fix it for much less than the cost of a new machine... Perhaps Consumer Reports has some online comparisons for washers for quality and reliability, but probably you will want to just go out and price compare. Of course, today's models all have efficiency tags--how much power/water used. My little top loader(18 lbs capacity) is 15 years old and I only do a few loads a week, but I got a great deal on it because it was a overmanufactured mustard yellow body made for the European market with American market insides. I didn't want to take a chance on a used washer. I haven't had a problem with it ... Yet. I do hope it lasts until the new landlord installs new pay washers and dryers . Colored washer and dryer sets are all the thing now, but you might be able to pick up a discontinued plain white model with a better quality for the same money. If you have two connections, by all means keep the old one for dyeing(wish I could do that) Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 12 17:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CLX3IP008218 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j9CLWY4G065094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLWVPE002018; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9CLWQsf001954 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPoD3-0002p8-6n for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:31:24 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...? 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