From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 04:54:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA19sGFN011066 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA19re98032638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rZ4C057015; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA19rVK2056986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5E63FF05 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm22.435c578f.6f68d for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DZzsZ0NqXpQIAAAAB,8b2b63977cb95b96ff97a22b8f05dc74 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] a holiday idea X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20051101015329.20B32BF3@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested. But I would probably have to make sure that I mailed it no later than the very beginning of December - living on the other side of the world from most of our fellow listers combined with the Christmas postal rush could make its' timely arrival chancy, otherwise. ( And may still do, regardless. ;-P ) Joannah ( in Australia ) --- Dawn wrote: From: Dawn Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:35:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] a holiday idea Is there any interest among listmembers for a holiday gift exchange? I envision it working something like this: folks sign up with their name, address, and a 'favorite' (color, period, animal, technique). Each participant receives the name of another participant and is then charged with buying or making a small ($10 -ish) gift and sending it to that person by Dec. 20th. I'm willing to coordinate, of course. :) Dawn wet, windy and cold in KC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1Ai9Q4022030 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:44:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AhqHf042277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhpEe075264; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AhkaE075190 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4aaaf3a6 (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4aaaf3a6.3098a0d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:43:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 10/31/2005 8:07:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific pattern I may have over looked? Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 05:47:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1AlSPo022375 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1AlEgd043095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlFuk076488; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1AlCPn076442 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f5.5d84481c (25305) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:47:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] children's sizing - very OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:44:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? Their website is: _www.kwiksew.com_ (http://www.kwiksew.com) Look at pattern 3150. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 06:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1BBt3O026260 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1BBOXC049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBM7u085116; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1BBIsM085076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07A4D825B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 02807-07 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55888D8180 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006801c5ded4$f608ebe0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net><0b9d01c5dcac$640e94d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <4364A505.9040107@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> And finally, one of my new favorites: >> http://www.photo.rmn.fr/ >> The search utility here isn't anywhere near as good as bildindex's, but >> it's got a lot of great paintings. Click 'recherche' at the top to do a >> search. The dating info on this website makes it hard to pick a date >> range, but if you're patient you'll find some great paintings. Of >> course, the paintings are largely French, but you can get some useful >> details nonetheless; the French hoods, if nothing else, are very similar >> to what was worn in England. I'd suggest doing a search for Corneille de >> Lyon (you'll get an option of him or of his atelier; look at both) as >> you'll find some great, detailed portraits from around the right time >> period. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -E House Thanks for this link! I've been putting off working on French hood for a while now---I had a sudden attack of laziness!-but I find it verrrry interesting (said in best Arte Johnson voice) that the painting of Catherine de Medici clearly shows a narrow white strap holding on her hood. My hair is very soft and slippery, and normally trying to keep on a hat of any kind drives me nuts and makes me cranky, so anything that makes it easier is welcome. Dianne back to look at more pictures! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1E7UtQ008760 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1E6sfm074571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6mRT066562; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1E6iRY066456 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A66B0234; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:06:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 14:06:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:07:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1E7UtQ008760 Status: RO Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. Comments? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:27:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1ERkRl009128 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1ERLAX076569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1ERJT6077740; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1ERDNj077664 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13547 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 14:27:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101142259.01cfebb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:27:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet pattern needed - modern (O.T. sorta) In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathleen's recent mail has reminded me that I would love a pattern for one of those crochet hats that are so fashionable. Here they are in heavy "wool" with a cap back part, and a brim, like a butcher boy cap, or what we used to call in the 60's (God I'm old!) a Donovan cap, or like you see in Dickens costume dramas on Oliver Twist and so on. Anybody any ideas? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 09:43:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1EhBR9009322 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Egnnr078037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Egj0H086523; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1EgfRI086472 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 24458 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 06:42:08 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24447, pid: 24453, t: 1.0803s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 06:42:06 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:42:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet In-Reply-To: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:07 AM 11/1/2005, you wrote: >Can someone point me in the way of needlework history of the >development of crochet? Warren and Pullan indicate that it was used >in ancient times by shepherds as a means of converting sheared wool >into garments. Other references I have turned up give notice to >tambour work, guipuire Maltese laces and such. Is there any direct >documented use of this form of lace making in the 18th C? In any >case, it seems to relate to more primitive and coarse lace work. >Comments? > >Kathleen This subject has come up numerous times (and on other lists) over the years. Unfortunately, the earliest evidence I've ever seen for crochet is sometime in the 1820s. There are no surviving examples that pre-date the 19th century. It was popular during the mid-late 19th century to claim ancient roots for many forms of needlework; Warren and Pullan are not credible historic sources. What has been claimed to be crochet from "ancient times" has turned out to be naalbinding, which can have a superficial resemblance to crochet or knitting but is made in an entirely different fashion. The earliest patterns I have found are for fine thread work done in imitation of more expensive lace. By the 1850s patterns were available for wool work for hats, mittens, vests, and shawls. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F1RDV009623 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F12G0079584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0s5d096595; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F0nQG096501 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:00:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 15:00:44.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AC23A0:01C5DEF5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Thoughts? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:07:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1F7JfF009739 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:07:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1F6pkM080149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F6np2000267; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1F6iFj000105 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40113 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2005 15:06:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:06:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. Suzi (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:14:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FEMGB009901 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FDjss080811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDeqo004425; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FDZL3004338 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00L0E7LD1UE0@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:49 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <20051030114422.w2208a7g0v8kw4k4@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most late period sleeves tied or buttoned into the armhole. That puffy (shirred) sleeve is attached to the gown, the undersleeve ties under it at the armhole. It is a practical consideration also. A woman could have a "new" gown with the addition of a pair of sleeves! BTW-- I've done this gown (gown: black wool and sleeves:maroon wool) The sleeves have mega pieces... Yes, Luara was a very famous poet, married to a famous architect who worked for Duke Cosimo I de Medici of Florence. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 Quoting monica spence : > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff > I knew that Laura's gown was brown and black (did you know that she was a Famous Poet?) -- but how can you tell that the maroon lower sleeves on Lucrezia's gown tie into the armhole? Jerusha, the sleeve junkie ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FHgmu009977 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:17:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FH5tI081151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH4m8006670; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FH1tE006576 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.166]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A32D95EE054 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:16:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c5def7$529c98d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:17:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Marc, Yes i will confirm what Suzi said. Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the linning, and make lace holes in each side. I have this in all my period breeches! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of > what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are > some minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). > When my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they > fit great. They do all the shifting and such needed so I can squat and > sit comfortably and even wrap my knees behind my head without them > binding (assuming I could actually *get* my knees behind my head...) My > problem is that as the linen warms up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't > tie them tightly enough to actually stay on (which can be somewhat > embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to keep > them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, which is > possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem really since > I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 10:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1FejIG010432 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1FeLGD083777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FeK90022537; 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Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:01:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0c6601c5defd$3d151090$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c5deed$9aef0be0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.2.20051101063020.01eaa560@pop.surewest.net> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:59:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: Thai Silks website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thai Silks is taking a survey to improve their website. Since I'm constantly frustrated by the lack of information, the lack of good photos, and the inconvenience of their sample system, I'm hoping to get as many people as possible to fill out the survey so that they'll fix what annoys me. =} http://www.digisurvey.com/login.php?u=thai&p=silks Not affiliated, yada. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1H2wUq011792 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1H2NRo094140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H28TY003729; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1H1xti003543 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD18A3CEEF for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:02:57 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:13:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HDLT3011986 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HCsaq095527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HC1Pm011669; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HBsKd011494 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.199.4ab3b701 (4560) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <199.4ab3b701.3098fbcc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/2005 10:17:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Split up the back seam, and make it about 1 inch smaller, 1/2 inch each side. Also split up the center back of the lining, and make lace holes in each side. And for future pairs, make the waistband in 2 pieces, with a seam at center back, where you an leave the opening, then put in the lace holes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 12:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1HQYah012230 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1HQ2bj097264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1HPvMF022307; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1HPsQa022212 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56158 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 17:25:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5b/gU6Tb1UOSEGRM5mAEIUxsYCh7X403BwKx2NeWAKhTyQIoBqr2GrtPG4BxIKRtkgoA9k6umQEJCFI8/PgjT+KadJJStxMnbjIPUy/1sApRMZCy+6UHWe1rLS21D6BqzdAfbqBDSrf2+9Nn+UO0YPqlNa/6WO2wPnB1WghMcWs= ; Message-ID: <20051101172547.56156.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:25:47 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange - Sign-up Ends To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43664E41.1050507@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Sorry for the very late post. I'd love to participate and as for time periods, mine are Anglo-Saxon - Viking and 1870-1915. Not sure what else you need from me. I must have inadvertantly deleted the 'e' that explained what info. you were specifically looking for. Chris G. Dawn wrote: Last chance... sign-up ends today (Nov 1) at midnight EST. You will have received a confirmation from me if you are "In". If you think you signed up and did not get a confirmation, check your junk email, and if necessary, re-send your address and introduction. Everyone who is signed up will receive their exchange assignment on Wed., probably in the evening. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JDUvU014091 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JCxQp013148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JCsRf011473; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:12:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Cp2E3030446 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4AD0298; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:50:53 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Nov 05 12:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c5dee3$069b2320$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:51:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ettiquite question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JDUvU014091 Status: RO Not quite costume question, but can anyone point me to a source that documents or refers to the social occasion of women leaving the dinnertable and retiring elsewhere while the men continue their after dinner conversations, etc? I have always understood this was a Victorian convention but am now being told this was also the "Thing" in the 18th Century. When did the post parandial begin? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:15:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JFada014150 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JF4Q3013541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JEt7D013368; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1F07mO096021 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45722639.dyn.optonline.net [69.114.38.57]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0IPA00EAI6ZSRP2N@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:52 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 In-reply-to: <004001c5ddaa$7531e470$6501a8c0@Duncan> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JGCBf014173 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JFmQT013852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JFisi014080; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1FgPj5023873 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA1FZCM03080 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:35:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004b01c5defb$c5eb0ac0$64bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200510311900.j9VJ0ESZ066943@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051101150342.01d5acf8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:48:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's similar to what I have to do with my ItalianRen dresses that are made of linen. I scootch up to a friend and get them to help me tighten the bodice lacing (I can't reach). Doesn't do much for the "drop" I've experienced with the skirt, though, the times I've worn them in the summer, and gotten them damp or wet, and had the skirt "grow" several inches....;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question > At 15:00 01/11/2005, you wrote: > >I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > >of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > >there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > >(like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > >heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > >needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > >behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > >my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > >up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > >actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > > >I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area > >to keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders > >idea, which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the > >problem really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > > Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > 18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > Suzi > (who's just making two such pairs of breeches.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 14:35:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1JZwfR014591 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1JZWMc016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1JZTtu029557; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA1JZGMK029422 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail25.nyc.untd.com (webmail25.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.165]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBYRS4NA6J7XSJ for (sender ); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:34:36 -0800 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail25.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id K8RB7A8C; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:33:36 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail25.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:32:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-15 80 X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20051101.113336.21710.55883@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:809625656 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2dbd1d41bd1da5491da559ac69a125e10de9a1199c850d7d193179ec19456d78002800213ca5011d0049ed0d9c6d41dc0c993531b9852cc9f97528b98185f5e9b928eda9355db995a9edd8d8 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wp68GVwydFQFjwpJKb4UvlPhfaB9Y4krw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.165|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|webmail25.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA1JZwfR014591 Status: RO When the Medici exhibit was in Chicago, the Art Institute hired several of us frm Bristol's Guilde of St. George to do Italian Renaissance Court dances (in full kit of course) as part of the entertaining for the gala opening. After our performances were done, we all got to go thru the exhibit- after the paying patrons but before most of the public. Of course we were all fascinated by the portrait of Elenora and her son and we were all clustered around it cooing and ahhing over all the details we could finally see. After a few minutes I noticed that the gallery was very quiet and I realized that all the patrons had moved back against the opposite wall and were standing there watching us with rapt attention. I also realized that we must have made just the most incredible picture ourselves- a group in full 16th century court dress, still partially in our characters, in the midst of all the 16th century objects. Wish I could have gotten video of it. Karen Seamstrix -- monica spence wrote: Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks for the info on this, Kate. Don't feel odd about the inarticulate noises... When I saw Eleonora of Toledo's wedding portrait (The deep pink (crimson) gown) at the Philly art Museum, after an hour of staring at it, I was trying to figure out a way to take it home with me... :-) And then there was the time that my friend Anna and I ammost got tossed out of the Metropolitan Musueum of Art in NYC trying to see the back of the leather fencing doublet that is on permanent display. Not a problem you would think until you realize that it is displayed in a glass case against a wall on a form... Sigh! Why can't museum people learn to display clothing correctly so it can be seen all the way around? (At least pit a mirror in the back!) Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: ModaaFirenze1540-1580 I've seen the portrait!! It was the only reason that I made the 4 hour drive. What an adventure! We nearly got sucked up by a tornado. The car actually left the road for a brief period of time. Last year the Detroit Museum of Art was one of the stops in an exhibition featuring Medici art. She's nearly life-size and the bottom of the portrait was less than 2 feet off of the floor. I was on my knees in front of it making inarticulate sounds. The guards thought I'd lost my mind! ;-D It's a really odd combination. Her gown is black. The bodice is black and deep burgundy brocade; the upper sleeves and skirt are plain black. There's no trace of any kind of pattern in either the upper sleeves or the skirt. Her upper sleeves are ruched like those in the Panciatichi portrait. The lower sleeves are the same deep burgundy color as in the brocade of the bodice, though they are solid, not brocade. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Bronzino (was Re: [h-cost] knit jacket was Re: Moda aFirenze1540-1580 > The lower sleeves are deep maroon in most of the repros I have seen. It is > funny that so many color reproductions vary in quality from place to > place. > Anybody ever see the real portrait up close and personal? And BTW, the > lower > sleeves (which tie into the armhole BTW, on the Lucrezia Panciatichi gown > are eggplant purple (aubergine). Makes for the possibility of interesting > color combos for costumers who do early 16th C. Florentine... > Dame Catriona MacDuff _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 16:58:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1LwanE017121 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA1Ll020032807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1LgGki028539; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f29.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA1Lg8BM028340 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:40:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:40:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:40:56.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0BF9690:01C5DF2C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Suzi Clarke >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be the only real answer. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA209PcT019355 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA208SQ7055398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA208NVZ045167; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA208Hfq045083 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67983 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102000302.01d09cb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:08:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:40 01/11/2005, you wrote: >>From: Suzi Clarke >>Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the >>opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with >>18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that >>I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th >>century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > >It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible >to alter the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's >possible that may be the only real answer. Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie? I feel sure I have seen a buckle and strap on the body of the breeches, not just the waist, but can't call to mind if they were a pair of court breeches from the 19th century, or a pair of 18th century. Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside of the waistband, also to give grip. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 19:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA20Uls0019748 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA20UP7E057431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UKIk058522; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA20UBCX058424 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 08:30:07 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:38:13 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century breeches question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How long is your shirt underneath? If it is as long as it might have been in period times it should also help anchor the breeches up. Is it cotton or linen? Linen has more gripping power than cotton IMO. And don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of suspenders....... Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com On Wednesday, November 2, 2005, at 02:00 AM, Marc Carlson wrote: > I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair > of what look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since > there are some minor details that were left out in the construction > (like pockets). When my wife made them, she made them from a nice > heavy linen, and they fit great. They do all the shifting and such > needed so I can squat and sit comfortably and even wrap my knees > behind my head without them binding (assuming I could actually *get* > my knees behind my head...) My problem is that as the linen warms > up, it loosesn up a bit, and I can't tie them tightly enough to > actually stay on (which can be somewhat embarassing). > > I'm assuming that something needs to be done to the waistband area to > keep them up, but what? I may have to go with the suspenders idea, > which is possible for that period, but I'd like to resove the problem > really since I don't know what late 19th century suspenders look like. > > Thoughts? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 20:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA21mQXv021115 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA21li8D064281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21ld0f098154; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA21lWGt098108 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lGam1lmJGIW+xs/wuRRs93xCRSySjd6tIy+AOlQI1UxXPcl1a53BDuP7CB6Ci2Ff; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.18.224] (helo=camelot01) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EX7is-0005Pk-Bm for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:31 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:47:36 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXZk6YYBIRtVhZHSBCx8dzrSRaQvgFu6CDg Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120762d80684c09f7cd0d85c08ff224244323e8b68dc13c4fd4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.18.224 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to forward without permission but, it looked like some did not know where to sign up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Welcome to the 2005 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is November 1st. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.19th. _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Plan to mail your gift in early to mid December. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 5. After the sign-up period I will create a mailing list for all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 6. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. Additionally, someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends November 1st. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA235c4Y022414 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2356wg070309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2351wN033370; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f30.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA234vka033316 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:04:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:04:56.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[34536B20:01C5DF5A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23YomQ022838 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23YVQd073216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YQ4B046099; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23YIqX045993 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 11:34:12 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-ID: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". Regards, Aylwen Garden http://www.regencyreproductions.com YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate > coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The > pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at > the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23d2Mt022907 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23ca9E073697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cZp4048185; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f40.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23cVAW048101 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:38:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 03:38:26.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[E26077E0:01C5DF5E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks! I appreciate it! :) >From: A & J Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:42:19 +1100 > >I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". >Regards, Aylwen Garden > >http://www.regencyreproductions.com > >YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top where >>the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 1 22:48:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA23mmdG023038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:48:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA23mVqJ074276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mRUE052424; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA23mNut052364 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E39F3CEEE for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:48:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks something like this, http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. Dawn A & J Garden wrote: > I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's Clothes". > Regards, Aylwen Garden > > http://www.regencyreproductions.com > > YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The >> pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at >> the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25j8DB024505 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25iApM083711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25i0LM003085; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25hs2K003038 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-14.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.14]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 13:43:36 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:51:41 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback early edition - but everything inside is just the same. I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg Cheers, Aylwen Dawn wrote: > It looks something like this, > > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > > find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a > Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" > > Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > > Dawn > > > A & J Garden wrote: > >> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >> Clothes". >> Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth >>> at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 00:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA25pR88024594 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:51:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA25oSxr084207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA25oQN8005701; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA25oMS9005627 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 05:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rbVEc7TxmDdb4yiPKBOViz/5HdSuwOqAIju59Q/8zdSr9FiiZTtNDq6GJtQDLuUM7hhR3MaFhoXHoqa7Da99XkZ7LGYr7g+mtEo1sg5R+YPvrqP+fBB2InXTELVIU8ntAlwYAn57qHlgOGQZS0aiIi2WOotARS6celvS4F8ZpC4= ; Message-ID: <20051102055016.19321.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:50:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511011915.jA1JFJaS013677@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: children's sizing - very OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Kim and Ann - that is perfect! Annette M >>Anyone have any suggestions where else I could look, or know of a specific >>pattern I may have over looked? > > > >Have you looked at Kwik Sew patterns? --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 01:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA26wRRk025493 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA26vd8S089517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vYX5035677; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f14.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA26vUqj035478 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.118.55.148] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:57:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 06:57:23.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD4806B0:01C5DF7A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks so much! >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:49:29 -0600 > >It looks something like this, > >http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm > >find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a Jutaucorps >[sic] with pagoda sleeve" > >Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. > > > >Dawn > > >A & J Garden wrote: > >>I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>Clothes". >>Regards, Aylwen Garden >> >>http://www.regencyreproductions.com >> >>YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >> >>>Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate coat? >>>Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? The pleats >>>look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay smooth at the top >>>where the pleats begin. Any help would be much appreciated. >>> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 03:05:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2855a2009283 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:05:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA284WMI094283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284T9S064766; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA284OZt064719 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CF331915D for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:04:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:04:19 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat References: <4368359B.8070009@earthlydelights.com.au> <43683749.3020206@reddawn.net> <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <436853ED.4030005@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20051102080418.60CF331915D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I used that pattern for my Captain Jack Sparrow cotume. And a pattern from I think Sinmplicity for the size. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/18thcent/18man/Jack/Jack.html It worked quite well. A & J Garden wrote: > I got my book as a remaindered library book - its the small hardback > early edition - but everything inside is just the same. > I found another pattern online that has the fold lines marked - > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Cheers, Aylwen > > > Dawn wrote: > >> It looks something like this, >> >> http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/leloirX1.htm >> >> find the pattern about 1/3 the way down the page, "Pattern for a >> Jutaucorps [sic] with pagoda sleeve" >> >> Norah Waugh's book is a very good source. Expensive, but worth it. >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> A & J Garden wrote: >> >>> I drafted my kickpleats from Norah Waugh's book "The Cut of Men's >>> Clothes". >>> Regards, Aylwen Garden >>> >>> http://www.regencyreproductions.com >>> >>> YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know how to make kick pleats on the back of a pirate >>>> coat? Like the one Johnny Depp wore in Pirates of the Carribean? >>>> The pleats look like they have alot of fabric but seem to lay >>>> smooth at the top where the pleats begin. Any help would be much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 07:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2CfWR8029079 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2CexHA028993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2CerID068190; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2Cemtt068139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-50-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.50]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id jA2CejFN025530 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:47 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:40:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So, what do you think? I have done so much reading that my head is > spinning with details. I don't see a lot of recreation in 1530, moreso in > the 1540 range, where there are some changes. I wish I had more non-royal > sources as I really don't need to be that high of class and I'd like to > know where I can legitimately skimp on the details. I'm just looking for > some feedback and corrections as needed because I want to go fabric > shopping within the week. > > -- > Elinor Salter OK, I've been looking through my files and for an example of a 1530s non royal portrait I've found this 1536 portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole by Hans Holbein (I couldn't resist it as it's so close to my own name) http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/1536_Widmerpole.jpg it shows a definite wrinkle beneath her bust which shows that unboned bodices are period. This sketch of Mary Zouch from the 1530s shows the French Hood as worn in England at that time http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/maryzouch.jpeg (as the 1540s style of hood is slightly diferent as is the French version and the only other reference is Anne Boleyn) I can't work out where I got these images from originally so I've put them up on my website, apart from the wrinkle under the bust the portrait of Elizabeth Widmerpole is very similar to the portrait of Mary Boleyn I posted in my last message http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Boleyn,Mary.jpg and in all three the kirtle's neckline is not decorated (if you run short on time or money to bead your kirtle's neckline). http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/h/holbein/hans_y/index.html and look at Holbein's sketches (though only a few of them are on this site, I used to know a site that had all of them but I've changed computers and haven't transfered my favorites yet) These are all the non royal 1530s portraits I can find, but if I come across any more I will let you know. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2E1BYc030405 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2E0ZM4039439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0V7f005421; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2E0Qne005358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (69-171-202-42.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [69.171.202.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA2E0OjG031549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <4368C636.9040800@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:59:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <43631DEA.5030508@comcast.net> <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001b01c5dfaa$a283ace0$32d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein at Portland, was re: Planning my first Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good news for Holbein fans in or near Portland, Oregon. NYTimes has an article today on the current exhibit at the Portland, Oregon museum of Art: "Madonna With Basel Mayor Jakob Meyer and His Family," is on view in the United States for the first time in a widely anticipated exhibition at the Portland Art Museum in Oregon." (That would be this one: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 "The show, "Hesse: A Princely German Collection," provides both a rare public glimpse of one of the finest private art collections in Europe and an indirect primer on German laws governing cultural patrimony: six paintings in the show, including the Holbein, are on that country's list of "unexportable national treasures." Also mentions some 15th century Flemish tapestries but doesn't specify. Runs through March 19. Full NYTimes article at: (free registration may be required to read article) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/02/arts/design/02hess.html?pagewanted=2&th&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1130938652-nNlXwHi5AgBqUkb/wV7oDA Information about the exhibit at: http://www.portlandartmuseum.org/asp/special_exhibitions/exhibitions.asp?exhibitionID=39 catalog and links to some images of the objects - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EJAFM030747 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EInPn040720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIlgW014718; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EIi6Z014640 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AABD0144; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:18:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c5dfb8$73975040$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:19:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had occasion to tighten such construction of the back band and solved the problem by cutting the back band at equal distance to the center,remove about an inch from the slit areas and rejoin the band ends. Since there is usually some ease already at this point, your re-adjust the gathers and should get a better fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:20:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EKKkP030770 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EJkHB040822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJkqW015280; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2EJeKm015178 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AAF60174; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:19:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Nov 05 14:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5dfb8$92e3b420$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:20:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, the last message attached re band adjustment was from Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question > >From: Suzi Clarke > >Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the > >opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with > >18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that > >I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 18th > >century breeches as it allows for both "fat" and "thin" days. > > It's already split in back and tied. I'm not sure if it's possible to alter > the angle on the split to make it more snug, but it's possible that may be > the only real answer. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 09:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2EU4Is030984 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2EThHg041605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETg54020514; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2ETbu1020410 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.235.2af012 (16781) for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <235.2af012.309a2745@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:29:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kick pleats on 17th century pirate coat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/2/2005 12:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: > http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/leloir/justaucorpspattern.jpg > Great pattern Looks 1740s I made my pirate coat more like 1700-17-teens and used Norah Waugh. There's a justicorps where the side back comes out at about a 90 degree angle from the CB piece. No actual pleating required, it just falls into folds. Very easy to make but not a full as the pattern you posted....but still looks great. There's plenty of fabric. The cuff on the sleeves is real too...not added. The long bell shaped sleeve actually folds back and buttons to the upper part. The pocket flaps [and pockets] are low down on the coat. Very easy to make _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 10:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2FBa2H031710 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2FB8DX045158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB4D1045216; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2FB25W045194 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 10CC2B6BF; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.5.85.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.5.85]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 03202B561 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:13:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 12:36:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2Haf5w001870 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2HZrOb063690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZg1s059822; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2HZbXZ059706 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:35:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:35:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:35:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 17:35:34.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4295820:01C5DFD3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO From: Suzi Clarke >Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, but I'll have to start looking at that. >Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two >pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of course, and >slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give "grip" at the sides. I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. >Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the inside >of the waistband, also to give grip. Another possiblity, thank you. ------------------------------ From: Garden >How long is your shirt underneath? Knee length, Linen. >...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same problem as >you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up higher on the waist >and that seems to be working for now, although I'm starting to think of >suspenders....... Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm thinking for this very problem :) Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 14:21:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2JLL4P004031 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2JKlnc076844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2JKeXi048161; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2JKVIB047868 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3635 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.112.21 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2005 19:20:22 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051102191513.01d62f68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:20:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18th century breeches question In-Reply-To: References: <200511020804.jA284T7i064774@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:35 02/11/2005, you wrote: >From: Suzi Clarke >>Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?... > >No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, >but I'll have to start looking at that. > >>Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone >>two pieces of elastic into the side waistbands, on the inside of >>course, and slightly smaller than the space they occupy, to give >>"grip" at the sides. > >I was thinking about putting something in there to restrict >stretching - like a strip of leater, or woven tape or something. > >>Or put a "sticky" lining, like velvet, suede or similar, on to the >>inside of the waistband, also to give grip. > >Another possiblity, thank you. > >------------------------------ >From: Garden >>How long is your shirt underneath? > >Knee length, Linen. > >>...don't worry - my husband is slim and seems to have the same >>problem as you - I made another pair with a waistband that went up >>higher on the waist and that seems to be working for now, although >>I'm starting to think of suspenders....... > >Rumor is that this is about when they started being developed, I'm >thinking for this very problem :) The earliest genuine trousers with buttons for suspenders (English translation - braces) that I have seen are c.1830. There are earlier ones, c.1760-1810, but as these, though genuine, are from a theatrical context, I cannot be certain that the buttons were not put on at a much later point in their history. Trousers buttoned on to upper garments were, of course, worn by late 18th century boys - the so-called skeleton suit. And 16-17th century hose/trunks/breeches were laced or hooked to the upper garments. It seems odd that only the 18th century breeches were intended to be self supporting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 17:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2McETv007814 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2MbRqP003891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2MbKQA010997; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA2FK7Qu051038 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:20:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58986 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2005 15:19:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qkxmrn0sAOCi5nVrKhuZT7pn7Ytmjsyx/fHxxuKHtJQ63PgiIpNU0p6RO2sShvr4IwbPEIGTq0PF9TY62j3GfdrojkSBi4iC87abdpctl+XIWkQOF2HXCeiiPLuWXKY6U9eJVJlbB7Y8PUD5aCt0idCrSnwLSR7dlseXzndv1Q8= ; Message-ID: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:19:59 PST Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0cce01c5dfbf$ebb12590$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... E House wrote:I haven't checked out the legitimacy of this, but it might interest some of y'all: > Fwd: > From: Paladin Music & Entertainment > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:04:41 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [EKSouth] Casting Call of Interest to SCA Members. > > IMMEDIATE CASTING CALL > Paladin Music & Entertainment, Inc. is seeking > families for an ABC TV Reality Show. The families must > live the Renaissance, Fantasy or Medieval > lifestyle. Perfect for rennies, SCA, Markland, etc. > who have a love and passion for this way of life. > > Families must have one or more children ages > 5 - 19 and all live together. No criminal records. > > NO ACTORS. REAL FAMILIES ONLY PLEASE. PAY. Serious > inquiries only. For further details, please respond > to: Mr. Chris Lance at paladinmusic@yahoo.com with > full name, contact phone number and best time to > call. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 18:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA2NVssh008672 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA2NVSM3017343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVKll053110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA2NVFId053053 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 82486203FA; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.245.3.20.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.245.3.20]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 827DF2034B for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051102151959.58984.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:33:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 2 23:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA34Acp2013074 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA34A1lv050326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349sFP013110; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA349ppp013047 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21C3CEF9 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:09:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43698D8F.1080209@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:09:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051025205024.7577.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] attn: Lynda Boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynda, Please email me your address for the Gift Exchange. I don't think my mail to you is getting through. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 08:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Dmnm0023901 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:48:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3DlspC012820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3DlnQ1078905; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Dlidb078820 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 05:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: <436A1548.5080607@msn.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:48:56 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , Dawn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 13:47:39.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[27CEDF50:01C5E07D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we have a lot in common! Good match Dawn! Sg I have posted this to the site too Dawn, I figure if I have this question, so will others. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 09:24:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3EOMha024976 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3ENvpY022285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENtEJ000471; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3ENpgl000410 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.164]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 42BFA5EE0AC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery supplies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 10:53:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3FrRb3031680 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Fqpi1043906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FqkAo057499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3Fqfvx057328 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37592 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2005 15:52:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IIOa/CZpLBly7ar5yneZjcISXiwUZhnd7E6fhyTCVXByV2eEKkyD6whJhY3m9Uow2+LNNYs2JehLkoqNgP8VLEIl+7RRpJyFuofazUumyksUUgl12tdsI2XKBN+f/upivsXIHVf111TKvs+zpp+PRGFxCSre4dDCXvUHf0RVshg= ; Message-ID: <20051103155235.37590.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.28.231] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:52:35 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Medieval Reality Show Auditions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0d4e01c5e005$c960f4c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Morning, No, sorry I don't. I can only suggest that you call Chris. He WILL call you back even if it takes a day or so. He's very good about that. Also, don't be put off by his nonstop talking :) The man has far more energy than one person should have and gets so excited about all the projects he works on. Feel free to cut him off and ask questions :) E House wrote: Seeing as I have no children and therefore won't be applying, do you know anything about this that you could tell us? My local list was briefly very interested in it, and then for no apparent reason decided it was a hoax. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" >I know Chris personally so I'll bite here and say yes, this is legit. FYI, >he's up in Hackettstown, NJ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:16:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GGDg1002761 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GFYSS046796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFPh4075021; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GFEaM074846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.164] (pool180-164.patriot.net [209.249.180.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jA3GF3up012056 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:15:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >like we have a lot in common! >Good match Dawn! I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking once the gift-giving is done! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:19:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GJ38J003274 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3GIWTk047153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GIUZ0077389; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3FAVeA028832 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6126E3CEF3 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:10:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WickedFrau wrote: > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like > we have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 11:41:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3GfUTU008196 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Geuvo049997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeoUM094630; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3GeMte094354 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EC5DC1ECE37; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (dialup-4.244.198.120.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net [4.244.198.120]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 28DCD1ECCDC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:39:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d6601c5e095$6da05460$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:41:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" > So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we > have a lot in common! > Good match Dawn! I second the question (great match). And since I'm now realizing how scanty my intro info was (I also like beads and jewelry-making! a lot!) I expect whoever got me might want to ask at least something or another. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HYAPR013597 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HXXC9058484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXQNG038608; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HXLn7038515 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27914 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Carol Kocian wrote: > >So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my > >"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds > >like we have a lot in common! > > I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the > gift. But not beforehand. I imagine there will be a lot of talking > once the gift-giving is done! I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 12:41:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3HfJ6K014445 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HefRI059588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Heclw044710; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3HeWF8044551 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28017 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:05:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens > jackets, are embroidered with? ... > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. Warning: You can spend hours here. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3I2Fgj016501 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3HuFPR061859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Hu2n9057656; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA3HtsmW057478 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46506 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.140.214.16 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 17:55:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051103175401.01d0ec58@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:55:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:23 03/11/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have >wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver >spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? >Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what >things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of >such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute >couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you >ever ben to paris and found such places? >Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > >Bjarne Try http://www.creativebeadcraft.co.uk/pdf/BeadcraftPriceList.pdf#search='Ells%20and%20Farrier' or http://www.debbiesiniska.co.uk/beads/links.html You may not know all the people on the links page, although I am sure you know Ells and Farrier. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 13:19:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3IJYbx018456 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3IHQZl064892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0j4D061747; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f10.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3I0YPt061511 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vovvie@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.104.46.28] X-Originating-Email: [vovvie@msn.com] X-Sender: vovvie@msn.com In-Reply-To: <436A286F.5040006@reddawn.net> From: "YVONNE SCHNYDER" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:00:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 18:00:21.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[74F4B2F0:01C5E0A0] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong email address. >From: Dawn >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 > >WickedFrau wrote: > >>So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>"assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds like we >>have a lot in common! >>Good match Dawn! > > >You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. > >I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a bit >cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you need more >info before chosing a gift, feel free. > >Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out today. > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:25:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JPQra000301 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JO72I074658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNnCk029742; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JNeNE029621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9562338F2 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:23:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c5e082$3743fce0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- Hi, After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things i mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found such places? Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! Bjarne Reply: http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 0-900-000 These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site back to see if you were really meaning circular or not. Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time you may browse their site for other goodies.:) Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JSjHQ001385 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JRa8m075142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRZhK032539; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JRTXH032361 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:27:16 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:26:59 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! --Robin ===================== Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something about the period? Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JhVq0003468 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JbiOn076843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbdAI040918; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JbUig040697 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29173 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good > choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? Tee hee. Just did. It took me a while to figure out who, though. I don't pay much attention to post-1500 threads. I think I'll also take a spin through the archives. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:50:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JogdS004036 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3JnteZ078243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JnldO050150; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Jnd7m050035 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EE2185EE05A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does > anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the > mens > jackets, are embroidered with? > Such ones i have ben looking for for ages, and i cant think of what things > i > mis because my french is so lousy. There must be loads of such things for > sale in paris, when i think about all that haute couture made there with > Lesage embroideries and the like. Any of you ever ben to paris and found > such places? > Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two! > > Bjarne > > Reply: > http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=53 > 0-900-000 > > These are circular and not oval. I can't seem to find the papillon site > back > to see if you were really meaning circular or not. > Crazy Crow Trading is a good company to deal with. If you have the time > you > may browse their site for other goodies.:) > Their sequins/spangles come in two sizes, 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (roughly 1 > 1/2 cm ?). Brass and silver. > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 14:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3JqiP7004167 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Jq1T5078475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpqtY051836; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3JpkZ4051776 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD0B47FE9F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003701c5e0b0$0d982d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:51:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am going to do that two, and i hope it is allright to do this. New period, very exciting to try it out! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and > now > I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- > since I can't post my questions to the list! > > --Robin > ===================== > Post privately to someone on the list who you know might know something > about the period? > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 15:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3KUcfN007963 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3KU3TO083797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTwbb082785; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3KTo2Y082675 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 336CA3390F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:29:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003201c5e0af$b841dd30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. De -----Original Message----- Hi, It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. I looked at your link and found this: German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 16:26:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3LQAHh016688 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3LMnUf092156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMhfu026111; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3LMX2t025903 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9102F4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:22:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 21:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:23:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3M1W11022974 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3M0xtj099644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0rER056416; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3M0loo056229 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.183]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20051103220040.SFOB28065.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c5e0c2$4cba9260$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Emery boards for fingernail filing work very well for delicate things like this, I use them for smoothing out the edges of plastic jewels and glass shisha mirrors for dance costumes. Added bonus, a pack of the disposable ones is usually very cheap. Sheridan > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:13:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3MDGub026098 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MCpCW001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCiRT065398; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MCYTT065202 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EXnJu-00051c-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:12:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:12:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the edges. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > I looked at your link and found this: > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th century > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Mw604030203 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3MvhfJ009688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3Mvdwg000796; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3MvWnh000663 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.25d.1cf20a (48624) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From some curious folks, myself included. Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? Thanks. Nancy On the Norsefolk list, a gentleman posted to ask whether the "Viking and Saxon" commercial costume patterns at http://www.caliverbooks.com/general/patterns.htm were worth buying. Has anyone seen these patterns? How accurate historically are they? Was there any documentation and if so was it any good? Were they easy to use or not? I'd like to solicit feedback that I can take back to the Norsefolk list. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_25d.1cf20a.309befcf_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NjAbP032644 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3NiRvr018588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiOq1036621; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NiJFp036563 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B791836081 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:18 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:44:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <001301c5e0bc$cfb44ae0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The stationary punches don't work real well with metal. What works to a degree are leather punches, dies and stamps. Smoothing the edge is recommended as the edge cut and will cut fabric, embroidery floss and your fingers. And it not cut snag you fabric and embroidery, as well as prick your finger(s). Emery board, metal file or dremil tool works. You don't have to do the whole thing, just where it is sharp. -----Original Message----- Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a problem. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:49:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3NnGq7032721 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Nmqfe019896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmpZb040322; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NmkCN040165 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA3NnGq7032721 Status: RO hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 18:52:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA3Nq68a000324 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3Npju2020545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NphZl042732; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA3NpaDT042593 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A282019C; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:51:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Nov 05 23:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c5e0d1$a7f587c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You have probably saved me another hour of tinkering. I am quit amazed at the new tools for dealing with paper and wish someone would produce the same sort of thing for textiles! I remember the discussion on re discovering pinking tools and could yet hope that historical costume interest would come up with something that would more than "DO". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > I've been experimenting with making similar things -- see this page for my first attempts: > http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm > > None of the things I've sewed these onto so far have seen much wear, but the edges of the metal are definitely _not_ sharp enough to cut fingers, and they don't seem to be doing any damage to the fabric they're sewed onto. > > The 32-gauge soft brass sheet I've been using can be cut with ordinary scissors and pierced by a needle, but I would not expect a punch designed to work on paper to be sharp enough or sturdy enough. A leather punch does work (the kind that is mounted on a straight rod that you hit with a hammer). One of my friends tried using some scrapbooking embossing-templates on this metal, and found that while she could get a design, the plastic template wasn't sturdy enough and got pretty well mashed in the process. > > Ideally, of course, one would use jewelry-making tools of hardened metal, but the softer metal tools designed for leather do work, though they probably won't last as long. > > If there's interest, I have a longer article on bezants that I can post on that web page as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lloyd Mitchell > Sent: Nov 3, 2005 1:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > Would it be possible to use one of the new fancy punches that are currently > the vogue for scrapbooking? I have tried a "corrugated press" for paper and > have found that if the fabric is crisp enough, it will pattern the > fabric.(This is another scrapbook item). I suspect that the foil sequins > will be 'buried' in the embroidery enough that the rough edges will not be a > problem. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > > > > If you cut your own shapes you will need something to smooth down the > edges. > > > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi, > > It was oval seaqins i was after, doesnt seem to be in fashion these days. > > I looked at your link and found this: > > German Silver Sheet Metal - 28 Gauge, 6"x12" > > Wich is thin silver plate wich you could cut out yourself. > > Perhaps that would be a solution. This was very much in use in 18th > century > > to cut out special shapes and add to your embroidery. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:05:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA405PuI000621 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA404s8U022783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404pK1051570; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA404k6v051499 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017004025F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:46 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb07.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.435c578c.92ee9 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRDaqWd2DoaXQIAAAAB,317296a0696f618db57d1e3b1db7eda3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] Message-Id: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:14:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40E415001683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40DhI2023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40Dg7k056916; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40DdoY056843 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.189 ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005110400132901400qlaoce>; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:13:29 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by 204.127.197.189; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:13:28 +0000 Message-Id: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings everyone, This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt. Thanks for any assistance. Roscelin BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40SdNh002058 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:28:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40S8hg025633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S5Rt065752; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40S1ec065683 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32541 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:39:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40dXrR002276 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40dBec027000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40dAs5072256; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40d76X072162 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.208.d6038f2 (15703) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57436aad9d2f3; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:38:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:39:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40dXrR002276 Status: RO Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. Would appreciate any help and/or input. Thanks all, jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lalah Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: From: "jessica lynn potter" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:41:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40fcnp002344 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40fNNO027201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fNmZ073453; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40fJSM073384 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AE290224; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:41:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 00:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9730424.1131055950444.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40s9JA002604 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40rWAI029085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rTPk080051; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40rQxZ080023 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so162469wra for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HfzI3K+LzrsFrq9imQF2MGft4eHErP/w9kJeSbh+BO0SOYDdpOAFlx/yVB7DsG4ZY7QUqA7n1CKO6F/L09/kt2SdkTiOxGtsDfQHol9LRSyE7CgRuqz5ULnYb9Q61oMSUV1eEms9y9MlRnvTMlYw0EXF8H2GJCfChNN3+Q8rX7o= Received: by 10.65.107.11 with SMTP id j11mr1211547qbm; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:53:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:53:25 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA40s9JA002604 Status: RO > > > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found several sites > on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should do an outline of the > coif pattern on the material then do the blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Draw the outline of the coif on the linen. It is one piece. Then put the embroidery design on the coif. If you are willing to use modern methods, cut out a piece of tracing paper in the shape of the coif and trace the developed design onto the paper with a transfer pencil and iron it on the outlined coif. Or if you want to be period, draw it on (cartooning) on draw it on butcher paper and poke holes in it and sprinkle charcoal in the holes. I recommend the first. Also, I've noticed that many of the fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has > like 28 or 32 count pieces of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the > coif or should I buy regular even weave linen fabric? You can use this, but I use medium weight even weave white linen. Either way, I line it with white linen. I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've figured out how > to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any other part of the shirt You can count threads on the coif and shirt, or on the shirt you can use waste canvas. Instructions come on the package and you can get it at Michael's. 14 count is the most common. That means 14 stitches to the inch, but you can get a higher count (smaller design.) Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40sXZY002619 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40sGSd029170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40sGUB080499; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40s0HT080329 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5199 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:53:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5175, pid: 5191, t: 1.5276s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:53:32 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:53:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 19:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA40uIH7002647 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:56:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA40tooT029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA40tov0081418; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA40tlpJ081391 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5597 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 16:55:20 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5589, pid: 5590, t: 1.3066s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 16:55:19 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165400.03099940@pop.surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:55:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09 010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <110420050013.7489.436AA7A800059A8D00001D4122092246279C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:13 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote: >Greetings everyone, > > This is a question for those who do blackwork. I've only done > samplers of blackwork. Now, I would like to make myself a coif and > do some blackwork on a shirt for my finace' for his Elizabethan garb. > I'm not sure how to go about it with the coif. I have found > several sites on how to make the coif but I'm not sure if I should > do an outline of the coif pattern on the material then do the > blackwork on the pre-cut coif. Also, I've noticed that many of the > fabric and craft stores (Michael's) has like 28 or 32 count pieces > of linen - is this fabric okay to use for the coif or should I buy > regular even weave linen fabric? > I basically have the same question for a man's shirt. I've > figured out how to do the cuffs but not sure how to go about any > other part of the shirt. > Thanks for any assistance. > >Roscelin > >BTW, thanks to everyone who gave suggestions about Elizabethan >patterns for my future mother in law. It seems she had picked up a >pattern the same day she asked me to get recommendations. The best way to do it is to outline the coif on your fabric; put it in the frame and work your pattern. Do not cut it out until you are done with the embroidery. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:25:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41PZKN003200 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41OwLk036718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41Otox099139; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41OpXq099034 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.230.4d7f52 (15898) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a436ab8531a4; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:24:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B28F9.000003.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:25:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051103165106.030a6cc0@pop.surewest.net> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41PZKN003200 Status: RO I will contact them and see what they have to say. Thank you, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Joan Jurancich Date: 11/03/05 16:54:29 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines The first thing I would do is call my local Singer sales/repair shop. Your machine is not so old that the parts may not be available. Joan At 12:39 AM 11/4/2005, you wrote: >Thank you, however we are looking for the mechanism that holds/drives the >bobbin not the bobbin spool itself. > >Would appreciate any help and/or input. > >Thanks all, > >jessica > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Lalah >Date: 11/03/05 16:07:51 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >Try eBay. I got bobbins for an 1886 Singer that way. > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >--- "jessica lynn potter" wrote: >From: "jessica lynn potter" >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:49:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines > >hello everyone > >we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable >condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, >machine style number is 201k3e > >can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old >machines i can buy > >thanks all > >jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41SXoA003242 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41SHM6037305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SGEi001005; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41SA0A000925 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.2dccee (16112) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef0436ab9201b9; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:28:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B29C5.000005.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:28:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41SXoA003242 Status: RO Thank you but we have never heard of this particular sewing machine and we are curious about it's age, you happen to know the year it was made? And yes we will have a look on ebay. Thanks, jessica & vicky -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 16:44:07 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines Do try e-bay for older parts! Had great luck finding pieces for my older (and Beloved) Kenmore, recently Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "jessica lynn potter" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines hello everyone we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and its in reasonable condition, but we are in need of a new or decent bobbin case, machine style number is 201k3e can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap reliable old machines i can buy thanks all jessica -------Original Message------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41VQoM003295 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41V5jQ037644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V4oS002537; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41V1ma002462 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.4fef2f9b (16087) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbce5a3.ipt.aol.com [172.188.229.163]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7436ab9c832e; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:30:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:31:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.188.229.163 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA41VQoM003295 Status: RO Hello, can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? thank you, jessica & vicky _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:37:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41bGec003382 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:37:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41ax2M038362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41av6W005653; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41aqYg005589 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m91.in-tch.com [216.166.191.91]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id jA41Tbn23864 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:29:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00fc01c5e0e1$26782a80$5bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:43:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen it on any of the SCA lists I'm on, that I recall. Will be glad to forward.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. > > As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's > Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I > promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's > a preliminary class list up at > http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html > > I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, > the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century > V-neck gown. > > Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 > for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister > by Nov. 9. > > If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know > the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. > > And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, > and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm > in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture > brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 20:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA41dnn5003443 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA41dW8s038681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dW1f006914; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA41dQtO006839 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.119]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2005 09:39:21 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:47:28 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses References: <000b01c5e0d8$99c4daa0$965083d1@rmitchellras> <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> In-Reply-To: <436B2A6E.000007.94319@PHILLIPH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 21:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA42h6ZF004667 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA42gRKV048207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gMwT037413; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA42gHpX037326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44Ev5V010219 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:14:58 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clothes? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:43:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <25d.1cf20a.309befcf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 3 23:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA44GLHK006408 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA44FhOh059362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FZLh079480; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA44FRxw079404 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a4.434a529e (3890) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:15:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 00:18:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA45IiJL007327 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA45HW5Y067134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HQGC008134; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA45HM5o008045 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AED90284; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:17:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Nov 05 05:17:08 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:18:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 01:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA466knr007766 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4654Xi071694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4651L0029778; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA464vNF029714 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E48F3394E for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:05:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200511032143.15359.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA464vNF029714 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Petty Chapman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe petty chapman is also a "title" of someone who sells small items. Sadly all the sites that I could find that sell petty chapman patterns don't have a picture and on one site they say that it is a book and not patterns. -----Original Message----- On Thursday 03 November 2005 5:57 pm, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > From some curious folks, myself included. > Has anyone seen or tried these patterns? How authentic are they, etc.? > Thanks. I don't know, though I've run across the website in question before and I too am curious. Apparently "Petty Chapman" has his own website, here: http://www.pettychapman.co.uk/ He appears to be a vendor selling mainly to UK reenactors. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 02:22:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA47MqA7013910 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 02:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA47MPAr078994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA47MK3C062349; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA47MH83062318 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45868 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 07:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iTe+vXat8rgzsw9vwVLZ6aRetMQUqrd8AHj714XOne2Ou/l60YEe6B+zH6owsxSe5Uk/GBtyo3/xY571fPN+/JT5p2nJ6naRLpD7784wS1JVbS/RBM/y33/lkAkxiUThXFyuWl4LfEqLmWAw6QyohmKR0ppuoLl3ZN4+HgPGKTM= ; Message-ID: <20051104072212.45866.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.112.72.211] by web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:22:11 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMts079850@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wish it wasn't so far away from me - those sound like exactly the ones I would want to attend. Annette M Message: 2 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming costume event, St. Cloud, Minn. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm scheduled to speak at Clothier's Seminar North (an SCA event) on Sat., Nov. 18, in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I promised further details when they became available. As of today, there's a preliminary class list up at http://www.geocities.com/ursulagoddess/CSNorth_main.html I'll be giving four lectures -- my mainstays on the Gothic fitted dress, the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, and the 15th century V-neck gown. Given the quantity of classes, the event strikes me as very reasonable: $8 for SCA members, $11 for nonmembers, and you get lunch if you preregister by Nov. 9. If this hasn't already been announced on the usual SCA garb lists, I know the planners would appreciate it if someone would make a mention. And if anyone on the h-cost list is planning on going, please let me know, and be sure to introduce yourself at the event. (Don't be put off if I'm in my usual pre-lecture intense-concentration mode or my post-lecture brain fog.) I'd love lunch company with some h-cost people! --Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 05:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4A5SaA018067 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:05:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4A512E010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4w54023912; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4A4nrH023840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id D97C0849AB; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.178]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE6846D9 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:04:16 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000a01c5e127$310ee100$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200511040416.jA44GMtr079850@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-132.8 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, RCVD_IP_216_110_230=-30,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4A4nrH023840 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Use regular evenweave linen, of the best quality you can find. Use a filament silk thread. Mark the coif pattern on the linen, allowing yourself at least a 2" border all around. Mark on the embroidery pattern; however, if you can do the outline of the coif and the embroidery marking all in one go that's best. Don't fuss about the embroidery transfer being washable. In period the cartoons (embroidery designs) were marked in blue India ink and thus indelible. For the shirt you can choose to appliqué or work directly on the fabric. I'd choose the latter. Bind the edges of the fabric with a twill tape to protect the edges, then stretch on a roller bar frame, not a hoop. Go nuts. After you've finished embroidering unframe the items, cut them out and hand-sew together. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:02:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4C2SHe012089 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:02:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4BuoJN020487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BuknG064802; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4BudO9064696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7A11CD578 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 32395-02 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C40A1CD566 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:43:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > Not sure about the spangles, but one huge source of glass beads would be > Fire Mountain, at http://www.firemountain.com . They ship internationally. > Be sure to check the "Outlet store" and "Great Product" sections of the > site for bargains, as well as the main catalog. > > They might have something that works for spangles under metal beads or > findings -- there's a lot of sterling, silverplate, and pewter. > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > > --Robin > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but I already had the pearls. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:14:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CEucn012281 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CEbOM022818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEaHI071096; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CEWbM071051 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a7.432e8822 (48552) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.432e8822.309caaa0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:24 EST Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-Laurels] Commercian patterns for Viking and/or Saxon clot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Caliver books (run by Dave Ryan) are regulars on the UK re-enactment trading scene. So is Petty Chapman (Dave Rushworth). I've never used any of the patterns sold by Caliver, (I cut my own), so can't say how accurate or otherwise, or how easy to use. Did once use some of Dave Rushworth's patterns once, at a customer's insistence - will never do it again. Over complicated, and seemed to be completely arbitrary whether you got instructions or not! I worked it out, but as I cut my own patterns already, I'm pretty advanced - anyone with less experience may have problems. Have heard that others have had problems too. These are of course, my personal experiences, and others may have had no problems at all, but just thought I should mention it. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CWai5012632 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CWDUx024202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CWCvT077908; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CW7wB077821 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.e8.1fabefc0 (15901) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d436b54ba3ca; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC562.000003.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:32:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <436ABDB0.1040908@earthlydelights.com.au> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CWai5012632 Status: RO hi Aylwen thanks this is worth looking into, as i am now starting work for the first time on crinolines and hoopskirts thank,s jessica -------Original Message------- From: A & J Garden Date: 11/03/05 17:39:47 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses One place is http://www.farthingales.on.ca/ and the site has lots of info to read about it all as well. Cheers, Aylwen http://www.regencyreproductions.com jessica lynn potter wrote: >Hello, > >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > >thank you, > >jessica & vicky >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 07:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4CYPZ7012696 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:34:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4CYADl024427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CYA72078844; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CY6UY078774 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.dc.31a69f8d (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5523231; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC5C8.000005.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:34:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <1a4.434a529e.309c3a54@aol.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4CYPZ7012696 Status: RO hey hun thanks i will have a look into thias as soon as i have 5 mins to spare hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cheryldee@aol.com Date: 11/03/05 20:16:26 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can "google". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECDAU014526 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EBhep034268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBeET020043; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBaH9019977 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:11:26 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I second the recommendations to use linen and draw the pattern for the coif directly onto the fabric. I would recommend regular linen from a good fabric store, slightly heavier than a weight you might be using for the shirt. I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very commen. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration too. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:12:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ECf9a014539 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4ECLB5034372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4ECKYx020372; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EBgdt020048 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06262 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:36:34 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies In-Reply-To: <018301c5e136$c9ae3cd0$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > Warning: You can spend hours here. > And lots of money. I just bought some things to make a girdle, and > spent $60 in under ten minutes! Would have been a whole lot more, but > I already had the pearls. You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to $450. (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even hundred and the 10 percent discount.) This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 strands is still 50 strands... They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. --Robin jeweler on the side _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4EH4jF014643 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EGkON034822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EGjN0022758; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4CZJFw079351 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.74.60501d96 (16086) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acd65843.ipt.aol.com [172.214.88.67]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6436b5578356; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:35:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436BC4F5.000001.68461@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <001d01c5e0ff$286ad720$965083d1@rmitchellras> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.214.88.67 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4EH4jF014643 Status: RO hey kathleen , thanks for that, it will be useful, ,as i am starting crinoline dress making for the first time as such, and its not like my usual sewing work, so all you tell me i absorb, thanks jessica -------Original Message------- From: Lloyd Mitchell Date: 11/03/05 21:18:25 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses Or Greenberg and Hammer Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:34:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > mrscrinoline@aol.com writes: > > can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline > dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could > anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? > > > > > try Amazon Drygoods or Farthingales, both have web pages that you can > "google". > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 09:59:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4ExTqN015637 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4EwiOx039262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4Eweuf045503; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4EwaCJ045390 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:58:27 -0800 Message-ID: <436B7764.8090707@msn.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:59:48 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vovvie@msn.com, "h-costume@indra.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 14:58:27.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[366291F0:01C5E150] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Attention Yvonne Schnyder-H-cost list wrong address X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Yvonne, it is not clear who you are adressing this to. Dawn, me (Sg), or the list? YVONNE SCHNYDER wrote: > Hi, I keep getting someone elses messages, I think you have the wrong > email address. > > >> From: Dawn >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification >> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0600 >> >> WickedFrau wrote: >> >>> So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my >>> "assignment," and I'd kinda like to "talk" to this person. Sounds >>> like we have a lot in common! >>> Good match Dawn! >> >> >> >> You'll know when they send you something. It's not supposed to be >> completely anonymous, just a mystery at first. >> >> I didn't put any restrictions on contacting your assignment (sounds a >> bit cloak-and-dagger doesn't it?) so if you want to chat or feel you >> need more info before chosing a gift, feel free. >> >> Almost everybody has been paired up. I will finish sending names out >> today. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4GCBeY016911 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GBT7a047542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GBPsx095655; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4GBLqJ095600 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 15940 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:10:16 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello everyone, I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could help me...... I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's through the 1800's but it is more expensive. I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not sure if the price is reasonable or not. If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I will do so. Happy Sewing, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 11:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Guuhv017754 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4GuUGs054093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuQNJ032053; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4GuO7B032011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i7so332181wra for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MguWN7jJFkOW303Ew/To6VnbmzlJgw9IdmNItX9HAJp4bkUh5SVA5Ksnzy5ku4Vka3xTv0Kupn0P+OF6+rZJrPMfZVllVS07VP8JedEBOYkM619dwWuXwSAQJUc5COEbCsyaRyL2p7CDBcSsMFLGqv+k8g8N0OUDurfYG6rf/uQ= Received: by 10.65.241.14 with SMTP id t14mr2311494qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.6 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:56:23 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork coif In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA4Guuhv017754 Status: RO > > > I don't know how much embroidery you have done but if you are wanting a > counted type pattern on the shirt, give a try at just eyeballing it :). I don't recommend this as the pattern could become way off. Also, a lot of the shirts, and the coifs, were not done in counted > patterns but used a variety of stitches. Stem/outline stitch was very > common. Holbein, or double running stitch is much more common outline stitch and more authentic for a simple design. For more elaborate designs braid stitch etc. If you aren't much of an embroider I recommend the Holbein.You can find good simple designs at www.blackworkarchives.comand http://aeg.atlantia.sca.org/index.htm can give you patterns and refer you to other places. There is a referal page on each to sites with period patterns. There is a Blackwork group on Yahoo that also might be able to help. > As stroll through the picture files will give you a lot of inspiration > too. I recommend it. I'm a member. Also look at the photogallery for ideas. -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 12:30:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4HU8wC018479 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4HNDFF058069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN4JY052088; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4HN0Ai052022 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24788.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.136]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8955447FE89 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:22:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c5e164$68359b50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051103160445.20BC8844@dm21.mta.everyone.net><436B1E43.000001.94319@PHILLIPH> <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:23:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Diana, Silk taffetas comes in 2 main types. One is heavy weaved, very stiff and stout, and another is much lighter. So it depends what you want to use it for. I would say that the thinner quality, is useable, for bodices jackets and the likes, if you interline it with a stiffer fabric. The heavy sort is my ideal for costumes. Skirts drapes very beautifull with this. Prices varies a lot here in Denmark. I can easy pay up to 1000,00 kr. wich is about 160 dollars a meter. This is a very fine silk shop, and you pay extra because they have a huge amount of colours and different kinds of silk fabrics to choose from Another cheap fabric shop sometimes have taffeta, but it is a lesser fine quality, but the same weight and stiffnes for about 25 dollars. Mostly they only carries the colours you choose for bridal wear, different whites. This sort has some weave faults, but only little. Finally i found another shop wich sells this fine quality for 350,00 kr. wich is about 58 dollars, but they only have a little colour range. Happy sewing to you two! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:07:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4J7rsS020595 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4J6La2072053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J6Bo7029771; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4J2abj027011 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so313663wri for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QCVkYmrRjDTaHhAF+YWzHHUdA261AVlupDGCzaHL0prtqD7HTnZH+TIdZrx5ST1sCnEYjB1FtC14Bl6Z74DB77M3gfNjequ41yx+N/mgKAy6vd2R8XmpPwAq7uQvPZXIEMBf53Ku2b6BY+aR7/3yGxbf2vbVrt15QsiM4q0DIjk= Received: by 10.65.240.7 with SMTP id s7mr2473834qbr; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.241.10 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA4J2abj027011 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:20:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4JK0m0020880 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JJbwW073480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJWQR038948; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JJRXo038847 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246B6210187 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12422-01-97 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76658210186 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a401c5e174$a489fe10$c2b6eb40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:19:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies > You got off easy ;-) I shop the sale stuff once or twice a year, when > there's enough to make a big order. I made an order last week; it came to > $450. > > (Well, when you're at 90 strands or so, it makes sense to go for the even > hundred and the 10 percent discount.) > > This is because I know I will return half for inadequate quality. I have > learned how to work with their return policy! Of course, half of 100 > strands is still 50 strands... > > They're by no means my favorite vendor. My favorite is South Pacific. I actually felt guilty spending that much--we are on a VERY tight budget, which is going to get tighter, since we just were told that we need to be out of our house within 30-60 days. (No, we didn;t do anything wrong. The house is owned by a mall company, and they are going to demolish it to put up a sign.) And my husband found out Monday that the radio station he works at was just sold to Cumulus. So, I think my fabric and gem buying is going to be severely limited for a while! (Thanks heavens I just indulged my wool yearnings recently!) Anyhoo, I considered just passing on the girdle for now, but I've been wanting one for a long time, and I plan on entering this one in the East Kingdom A&S comp at 12th Night, so I need plenty of time to get it done!! I haven't ordered from South Pacific yet, though I drool copiously over their catalogs. Just waiting for the mailman to come to the door... I was so good, and so focused--I wanted to make garb, and only garb. Then I made friends with a jeweler, and a spinner. Now I want to make the jewelry for all my garb, and spin and weave the wool, and use handspun silk as laces for my gowns..ACK! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 14:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4Jd0e9021353 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4JcNxa077371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcK9Y053499; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/zSY3jTTW+uAtj9ljJjmpHI3s2QdZ9gSI@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4JcDNd053421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA4JD1Od007806 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:01 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jA4JD014007804 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:00 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20051104191300.GA7696@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511041656.jA4GuTRv032077@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta (Diana Habra) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dupioni (or something similar) was sold historically, so it CAN be used. Here's a website about that: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/silk.html But to answer your other questions, I like shot silks. I'd like to pay less than $15/yd for an 18mm taffeta. Kate > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) > From: "Diana Habra" > Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <1227.67.188.164.116.1131120906.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello everyone, > > I was hoping that any of you who use silk taffeta in your costuming could > help me...... > > I have been told that dupioni is not really appropriate for historical > costuming but I know that many of us use it to cut down on costs. Taffeta > is closer to the weave/weight/sheen that is appropriate for the 1500's > through the 1800's but it is more expensive. > > I have a supplier that has a nice range of colored taffetas but I am not > sure if the price is reasonable or not. > > If you use silk taffeta, what do you typically pay per yard for it? What > colors would you like to be able to find? Any other input? (Please > respond to me at dch@inreach.com so that we don't clog up the list) > > Thanks for your help! And if I can offer silk taffetas at good prices, I > will do so. > > Happy Sewing, > > Diana > > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 4 17:57:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA4MvBJo025325 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA4MuaGX006516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA4MuQcN004062; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA4MuNhw003962 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 75375 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2005 22:56:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zx/Xk7zlyKX/oXuweTIjHgYrI49/hYrCBTEzLveOuine7h9EC1C9fCeGFreVEpMfT1Gs8pT9RQQHyxtn64PJlWsEuw9RVOSpuVzY/GOFADEjAq6lT3EtQH9HGYuc1M5om98fB8q9Zy/v1z741wHqdX1DI4ScX66SFzGoNYp2UKc= ; Message-ID: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.27] by web51301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:16 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <436B127A.000001.30419@PHILLIPH> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 04:27:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA59RLpM021353 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:27:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA59QS6E080046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QOIc088697; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA59QLJs088634 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 7.1b8.1f9bd503 (57365) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:26:12 EST Subject: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP (retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of lower labour cost). (That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 05:10:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5A9uMC030640 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5A9UFi091857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5A9Tx8008889; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA5A9OJF008836 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 10947 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@86.139.117.62 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 10:09:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051105100620.01d76c28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 10:09:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-Question about Silk Taffeta In-Reply-To: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> References: <1b8.1f9bd503.309dd4b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id jA5A9OJF008836 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:26 05/11/2005, you wrote: >I'd normally expect to pay anything from about 15 GBP (wholesale) or 25 GBP >(retail) to over 200 GBP, depending on the weight, and where it's woven (obv. >if woven in China or India it's cheaper than if Western European, because of >lower labour cost). > >(That's something like 25 USD - 350 USD.) And how much you buy. It's always cheaper to buy in bulk. Also if you are buying by mail order, you have to factor in mailing costs, and the iniquitous VAT which goes on these as well as the goods. (Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please mail me privately if you have time.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:33:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BXrDg016810 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BXKoh005033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXF3Q047341; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BXBRi047258 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.244.4f1596 (15877) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-3e05436c986928; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D0914.000001.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:33:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: <20051104225617.75373.qmail@web51301.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BXrDg016810 Status: RO hey ann thanks for that advice, yes i fully understand, i personally prefer the older machines to the latest modern stuff, somehow, as they seem to suit me better hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Ann Catelli Date: 11/04/05 14:57:56 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] older singer sewing machines I strongly recommend bringing your machine to a Singer or multiple brands repair shop that isn't in a fabric store. My 1951 Singer cast-iron monstrosity got a new bobbin case that fit only after I tried several; all the bobbin cases were class 15, as is my machine, but the cases are machined to very close tolerances, which don't match every machine. The store isn't a store-front any more, or I would recommend them highly. Ann in CT --- jessica lynn potter wrote: > > > hello everyone > > we have a 1951 singer electric sewing machine, and > its in reasonable > condition, but we are in need of a new or decent > bobbin case, > > machine style number is 201k3e > > > > can anyone help with spares or know of any cheap > reliable old machines i can > buy > > thanks all > > jessica > > -------Original Message------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 06:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5BeRJr017897 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:40:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5BZJRk005318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZJgo048343; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5BZFi6048276 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 04:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Mrscrinoline@aol.com) Received: from Mrscrinoline@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.140.50096736 (15864) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from philliph (acbd964b.ipt.aol.com [172.189.150.75]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df8436c98e0312; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <436D098C.000003.40155@PHILLIPH> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:35:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) From: "jessica lynn potter" References: To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-AOL-IP: 172.189.150.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA5BeRJr017897 Status: RO hi cynthia yes thanks that will be useful, as i am now embarking on hoopskirts for the first time, and i expect to make a few disasters on he way this link will be really useful. thank you hugs jessica -------Original Message------- From: Cin Date: 11/04/05 11:07:24 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] hoops for crinoline dresses >can anyone give us advice on where we can get hooping material for crinoline >dresses. Are they made of plastic or is it cloth covered wire and could >anyone tell us where to get the appropriate materials please? I'm fond of www.Greenberg-Hammer.com Look for hoop wire in the boning section. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 13:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA5I6GxX012537 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5I4H5c079552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5I4BvU091524; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA5Hj7io082479 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA5HbxLs010267 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:37:46 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on the best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger in Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and will be pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of construction is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough not to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the "hips"? Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I used the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I take it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume or even peeked inside one! Thanks Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:17:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60HL5K018472 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60G10P029793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ft6w044490; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA60FpkP044432 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92624 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oSG9zQyylj2zNDS1W9E8wST98gtWubMYGJJVYY0P6CqlHmALo9p0DsJgu7RnremscBfPSyiSeOnCSCL+n7+obl2JJu+GvohD0jXF5DlElZoLjvtrbrtp6p8VezHmgDXMT4J6Y0yz1bPN0Ym/4e/1Oa3RvadfGAjLPl0un+J+5IQ= ; Message-ID: <20051106001545.92622.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:45 GMT Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:15:45 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] UK silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >(Debs where do you buy at £15.00? Please >mail me privately if you have time.) >Suzi I'd love to know too - if it is ok, could you tell me too?! Pretty pretty please. Katherine de la finding reasonable wholesalers thin on the ground. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:19:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60J9qS018499 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:19:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60IprM029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60Ipo9045623; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60ImNN045578 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA263CF00 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:18:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4C02.9010300@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:19:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Hoover wrote: > The director would like a wide 18th Century oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. Sounds like a tent. And for cheap tent supports we used to use plastic plumbing pipe and connectors from the hardware store. Goes together like tinkertoys. The thinner piping should be bendable, to a degree. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 19:24:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA60OAXM018569 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA60NoOT030346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NlrT047618; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA60NiHM047559 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E1C3CEFD for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:24:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 20:43:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA61hnw5019789 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA61h5Z6037754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61h2eD079434; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA61gwx8079346 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF9B0250; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:42:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 01:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:43:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 21:36:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA62aGSn020505 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA62Zh3J043672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZdV4002001; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA62ZZkJ001968 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A8B236154 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:35:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist or no waist. I found this comes close to a late 20s. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T I=20009&page=1 This one is weak but passable for 20s. http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 20s style http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 013&page=5 Passable http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T I=20003&page=8 -----Original Message----- Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which adds interest to the bias cut in back. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 5 22:01:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA631k5L020915 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:01:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA631O2p045439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631LZV011110; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA631HLG011035 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDE03CF02 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:01:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:01:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net> <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern doesn't have that option. I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:04:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA654lON022618 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA654FgU054269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA654Bak054054; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6547XK054014 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEC00258; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:04:00 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:03:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:05:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same pattern... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:16:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65GfEs022813 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65FuVr054935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FtnE057865; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65FpbC057835 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1800264; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:15:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:16:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > I was guessing the pattern looks late 30s. The 20s usually had a drop waist > or no waist. > I found this comes close to a late 20s. > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V8070=x&T > I=20009&page=1 > This one is weak but passable for 20s. > http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4995.htm?tab=costumes&page=1 > 20s style > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4093=x&TI=10 > 013&page=5 > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 > > -----Original Message----- > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm looking at Simplicity 4566 > > (http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4566/4566.jpg) and wondering if this > > is a decent pattern for the era. They show it as a wedding dress, but I > > was thinking about shortening the train some for practicality. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65KIBn022915 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65JtUb055180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jttw059240; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Jn4i059187 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26E0224; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Nov 05 05:19:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c5e291$d6e20880$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:20:42 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Having just caught the 'occasion', the last Vogue is a good choice, I think because it does treat the hips in the manner that evolves from the simpler columnar line of the 20s. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but for what era (and for what purpose)? The gown > > shown is for the period of the 1930s and a very good likeness for two I have > > in my collection. The bridesmaid's gowns just "spill" with the train which > > adds interest to the bias cut in back. > > Kathleen > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'bridesmaid's gowns', as this pattern > doesn't have that option. > > I was looking at using it for "Mobster and Movie Star" costumes at > CostumeCon next spring. My husband has wanted an old time gangster > outfit for a while, and I need something suitably slinky to wear with it. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 00:33:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA65X34o023168 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA65WclH056145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA65Wb8Z064005; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web40429.mail.yahoo.com (web40429.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id jA65WajN063972 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10854 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2005 05:32:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3SasEZSu6UAgNO66Lw92iWr9xCjw+XvN4rRuqK6nmJ1RGsI1pf11Irp+HFgD3VZLOtakDjKb3L8/BdJZtccOblzEAvsQcZJrVKHJ6mgomWhG/Zs7GI05M9MI1TQrf3dFGnA69oPBU0ecBaQ2LE/tz8aQjqsnuN0WlmLg+XStd4= ; Message-ID: <20051106053230.10852.qmail@web40429.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web40429.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:32:30 PST Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200511051900.jA5J0HFs016007@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hoops for Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Mother Ginger costume for my daughter's ballet company has a frame made from plastic plumbing pipe (the white kind, about 2-3" in diameter). It's a very large pannier shape, which is attached to a suspender-type contraption. (We have a very tall woman to play MG, she also wears platform shoes.) Our MG can hide about 10+/- kids under her skirt. The MG dress is in two pieces, the skirt which is attached to the framework and the bodice which MG wears. The skirt has a basque to slide under the bodice to make it look like one piece. Hope that helps... ~mary > From: "Kathy Hoover" > Subject: [h-cost] Hoops for Mother Ginger > > Hello all, > This is a 'Plantive Cry for Help' .... > Can anyone out there direct me to a site or give me some hints on > the > best way to construct the giant hoop skirt needed for Mother Ginger > in > Nutcracker? The director would like a wide 18th Century > oval/pannier > style that is big enough to hide 10 to 13 small children under it. > (Mother herself will be standing on a ladder under the dress and > will be > pulled across the stage on a dolly.) Low cost and speed of > construction > is, as always, a major consideration. What would be sturdy enough > not > to twist? Or is that helped by putting actual panniers on the > "hips"? > Storage through the rest of the year is also problematic. If I > used > the hoop connectors from Farthingales and their hoop steel, could I > take > it apart after the performances and store it in pieces? > > I'd greatly appreciate any help from anyone who's done this costume > or > even peeked inside one! > > Thanks > Kathy Hoover > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA673B5j025396 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA672ggX061409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ceZ095023; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA672ZWZ094996 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 528E53393F for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:34 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:02:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004301c5e291$494ac7a0$945083d1@rmitchellras> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was suggesting patterns to Dawn. The first one does come close. I am in the planning stages with this one. The lining will be black satin with a red semi opaque material with black flocked(?) tendril design for the outer part. Trying to decide whether to have the vee at the collar the red with a black satin insert or a black satin vee with red insert. It's been a loooong while since I created sleeves for a sleeveless dress pattern. Anyway, the McCall's as I said is a weak design for the 20's but has elements akin to Erte'. The butterick is similar to a dress from a late 20s fashion plate. (Sorry, don't have a URL, was just working on a design more then looking to make it authentic) The underdress in the plate was a bit shorter and the sleeves were slightly different. The last Vogue has darts in the overdress and zipper in the back which I have yet to see in a 20s era dress. The underdress is great. De -----Original Message----- If you are looking at the 1920s, The first Vogue pattern conforms best for the necessary hipline, which should "touch" but not necessarily bind or reveal. The other two have some of the elements of the design but are too retro and use far more fabric than the simplicity and economy of line that is more faithful to the era. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 02:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA67hEQC025975 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA67goHO063935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gmc8009159; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA67gjSE009133 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E53C634D06 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:42:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Look what I found 1934 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2609=x&T I=20006&page=2 1928 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2535=x&T I=20006&page=3 1931 http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V2241=x&T I=20006&page=3 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FEfHa013840 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FE17j003745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FDvpg058258; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FAKSg056997 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839233CF02 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:10:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E1CFA.8010808@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:10:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Passable > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7571=x&T > I=20003&page=8 Oooh, yummy! Thanks for the link, I wouldn't have thought to look at Vogue. I love the lace overlay and that it has a sleeved version. I get cold with exposed shoulders. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 10:27:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6FRMU5013948 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6FQvAf008881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQuDW062975; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6FQqaO062928 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E4C3CEF0 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:26:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <436E20E0.5030109@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:27:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns References: <436D4D2B.6070805@reddawn.net><002101c5e273$8c191e60$945083d1@rmitchellras> <436D7215.3040607@reddawn.net> <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003101c5e28f$a5e24f80$945083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 6 15:14:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA6KEnk6019382 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA6KE1AF035348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDrnr082232; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA6KDlUC082193 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EYqtd-0003a9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <6001025.1131308024986.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:13:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you looked at FolkWear? I just put the Monte Carlo dress-- http://www.folkwear.com/264.html --up on stage on Lucy, in a 'twenties production of Dracula. In ivory satin, with ivory chiffon for the overpiece, it's very 'twenties, very slinky, very wow. I'd imagine those qualities would persist or even intensify in other colors! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Sent: Nov 6, 2005 10:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920-1930-ish gowns Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have a set that includes the bridesmaids dresses made from the same > pattern... > Kathleen Hmmn. I will have to take a better look at it next week when they go on sale. The pattern info on the website only shows yardage for one dress. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 02:37:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA77b2Xc006281 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA77aPo1092857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77aKu2057458; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA77a0Op057323 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107073512.BMZI29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:35:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> From: Max Callahan Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:34:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 03:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA789MYU014595 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 03:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA78925P095653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7890S8071772; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA788u7L071747 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C8B5EE04F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:08:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Debbie, Gosh this must be an unknown bodice to us! I have never seen or heard of it before. Also beading and feather pattern, is very interresting, and pink two. My guess is that it looks similar to the pale blue bodice of the London museum. It is a joy to all of us, that events like this still is happening, to fill out the gashes of mystery. Yesterday i was at an antique fair in Copenhagen (huge one) and found a german costume book, wich i never have seen before. Its from 1919, and even that the black and white pictures are lousy, they are very valuable to me.There is a drawing in it of the caraco jacket in Köhlers book, both the front and the back, and a striped redingote with huge buttons from the late years, and and........ Most of the costumes, are german from collektions wich dont excist any more. The eldest garment is a mans italian renaissance doublet, with multi puffed sleaves. I never saw that either, it is mid 16th century and the book claims it is a mixture of the italian and spanish fashion. Title of the book is Kostümkunde für samler. Thanks for posting this, i would die to se a picture of that bodice, and i hope it will be sold to a museum, so that we shall get more informations of it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance > and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 07:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Cs3H1001031 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7CrJmZ032294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrGXk077601; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7CrBV7077581 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.146.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.146] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EZ6Un-0002nN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:50:31 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 08:59:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Dx14g001791 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7DwIIx038690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwFXK007018; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DwBkh006961 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:58:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f550c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.12]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EBF355EE042 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c5e3a3$62cd18f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net><005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Could it be because the bodice was sold last year, and they have then removed the picture for more bandwidth? What happened to the bodice, who baught it? I think the list is very quiet, are everybody making hooliday gift exchages? I am, almost finished with mine! Bjarne who cant postpictures, it is a seacret you know! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of this > item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA Picselect. > Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts section of Picselect > either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through the PA bulleting board. " > I assume that last was meant to be "bulletin board." PA Picselect said > there were 0 images in the DCMS folder, and so far I haven't been able to > locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:15:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GFtZ9004466 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GFGPc053691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GFAsl090758; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA79CJJ5096039 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id jA79C3H11474.; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:12:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:12:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:11:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id jA7GFtZ9004466 Status: RO I would love to see a picture of this. I see it was more than a year ago, but I've never heard of it before. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> mcallahan@cox.net 07/11/2005 07:34 >>> Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GH6tS004480 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GGhK5053879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GGfY8091995; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DNmUV090923 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 05:23:42 -0800 Message-ID: <436F55B6.1020305@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:25:10 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 13:23:42.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[7949BA20:01C5E39E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You did better than I did. I couldn't find either the folder or the bulletin board. I just registered for the site too. Waiting to get confirmation. Melanie Schuessler wrote: > One of the footnotes at the bottom of the article says, "Pictures of > this item can be downloaded free of charge from our site on PA > Picselect. Please go to the DCMS folder situated within the Arts > section of Picselect either at http://www.papicselect.com/ or through > the PA bulleting board. " I assume that last was meant to be > "bulletin board." PA Picselect said there were 0 images in the DCMS > folder, and so far I haven't been able to locate the PA bulletin board. > > Anyone else have better luck? I'm very interested to see this bodice! > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > I ju _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:17:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GHWnn004487 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GH9O4053974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GH8q3092355; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7DfPVN098071 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A97F0190; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:41:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Nov 05 13:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:42:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Callahan" To: Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > Hello all! > I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across > an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know > more about. I found an article on the net ... > > http://tinyurl.com/brxjg > -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ > archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... > > It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design > of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This > sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing > from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less > pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a > temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the > bottom > of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long > distance and > I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if > they > have updated info... > Hopefully, one of the links will work! > Thanks for any help, > Debbie Callahan :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 11:24:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7GOqxl004724 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7GOQF6054931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOMWS098083; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7GOHDU097954 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <436F8005.4030907@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:25:41 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 16:24:12.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[B05B4920:01C5E3B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they decide! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 12:46:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7Hktb6006228 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7HkGrM066783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7HkA4J065997; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7Hk4CO065862 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.56.181.253] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([70.56.181.253]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <436F932F.4020901@msn.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:47:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <005e01c5e372$8bf45670$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <436F4D97.1020904@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 17:45:59.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D1AF140:01C5E3C3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Picselect no longer has the images. I have sent an email to the Dept. of Media, Art and Sport to see what else they can tell us. I'll keep you updated. Sg WickedFrau wrote: > I've have been contacted by the folks at Picselect for further > information on my attempt to register...I will let you know what they > decide! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 14:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7JrHiJ008201 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:53:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7JqgKZ083766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqZ2i069134; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7JqUjw069060 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EZD2b-000B1v-7r for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:52:29 +0000 Message-ID: <7GVcBACBB7bDJwhg@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:51:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice References: <4FEF5D28-90A6-46E9-8F66-00BA27950A05@cox.net> <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003801c5e3a1$12eba4c0$935083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The bodice is not a fantasy, since we have a government press release saying it has been held back from export (I don't believe everything the government tells us, but I don't think press officers make things up that are so far from the headlines). Since the owner is not identified, I would guess it is from a private collection and may never have been displayed or referenced. The "picselect" site seems to belong to the Press Association, so maybe they just put pictures up for a short time while they are current. Jean Lloyd Mitchell wrote >Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) > > >I just entered the" picselect" site that someone reports as a visual source >for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are >interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that >this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen" bugles' and >'feathers' as a design feature for this period. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Max Callahan" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM >Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice > > >> Hello all! >> I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across >> an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know >> more about. I found an article on the net ... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/brxjg >> -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ >> archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... >> >> It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design >> of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This >> sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing >> from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less >> pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a >> temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the >> bottom >> of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long >> distance and >> I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if >> they >> have updated info... >> Hopefully, one of the links will work! >> Thanks for any help, >> Debbie Callahan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 15:38:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7KcsPL008900 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7KcMua090671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcHs9006584; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7KcADo006340 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051107203715.MJEI776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:37:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Max Callahan Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:36:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the quick replies everyone! I'm fascinated that there may be this newly found piece out there somewhere that might add clues as to construction and technique. Makes me think of a Costume College I went to and Sally Queen was teaching. She said something akin to the fact that every time she made a new discovery about costumes that it felt like Christmas! I so agree! : D I hope that if this is the real thing, it turns up where we can see pictures of it ...(hopefully yummy close-up ones) -Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 7 17:20:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA7MKcL8010545 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA7MJrAv021321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJnHa091471; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA7MJiSu091411 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.40.184]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IPL00JQBVCB2ZV1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:19:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:30:05 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. 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