From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:27:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRVQV007187 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNRO2U002490; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNLrdQ013094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLrMY039387; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNLm3H039306 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232143.LJCE4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:43 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051231232142.ASG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:42 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.9/217]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 12:21:47 +1300 Message-ID: <008901c60e60$f8987c70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153013.73cjd3wknnvos00k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:21:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B713DC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think you've nailed it spot on (as my overseas friends would say). > Every now and then you'll see a painter do more than one copy of a > given painting that's slightly different -- Artemesia Gentilishi's > "Judith with the head of Holofernes" comes to mind. You'll often see a > student copy a teacher -- I've seen them, but I can't call them to mind. Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html (Though there is a third somewhere.) Corneille de Lyon painted a few copies of a girl. I'll see if I can hunt them all down. http://www.clevelandart.org/oci/magnify/1942/1942.48.jpg http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/gggg2165b.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/refo/hod_29.100.197.htm (though there are some larger differences bwtween this and the other two.) The Cranach family painted Hercules at the Court of Ophale several times. I have a few copies linked online, but I have found more. http://www.artunframed.com/cranach2.htm http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=468 (will resize your window) http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/gabriuscran.htm A few on Gabrius. http://www.internationalauctioneers.com/int/lot_detail.asp?LotID=207&AucID=5885 Though this is an imitator. And let's not go near the multitudinous Salomes and Judiths which were excuses to paint pretty girls (from imagination I'm sure.) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 18:37:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbY9g007305 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBVNbQ3M005052; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBVNb4Kf014554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNb2je046462; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBVNaxjY046441 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1705889nzh for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=J5k7xlk4x0Gj2IiB/A0kugGZpjunUxTE59ZWrBUnVqAV4UnJMc5zQOVNz6BE0FJKrCqEalHl+I8vB4gs78TzHbCcUQ7/fBrLVZIpgo4pcH1nOqDlLgI3CY70ZYd/28G8cB3N94HaM7QYcQ2SFsL0Kp3enGSg1B0k2GIYe09fIwk= Received: by 10.36.221.56 with SMTP id t56mr9287504nzg; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [58.165.58.158]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm3801581nzo.2005.12.31.15.36.57; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060101103139.0455ae18@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:36:56 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: multiple copies Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting? 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Status: RO At 10:21 AM 1/01/2006, you wrote: >Holbein's Jane Seymour for instance;) >http://www.artcyclopedia.com/commons/hans-holbein-the-younger.html >(Though there is a third somewhere.) I thought there was four? IIRC Janet Arnold in a Handbook of Costume has the different portraits side by side. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 31 20:53:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011rrr2009062 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k011riAH006264; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k011r91B027802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011r3ke005237; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k011qxwj005164 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m17.in-tch.com [216.166.191.17]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k011j1b01581 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B73628.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 01:40:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eY6X011812 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k016eOWf007170; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k016dxmM054750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dt9U018140; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k016dpQV018026 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.109.43]) by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060101063945.UUNX5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:39:45 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060101013330.00b63288@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:39:35 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a fabric store in MI X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:40:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B77959.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I was told there is an absolutely amazing fabric store in Bay City, Michigan. The friend who told me about it couldn't recall the store name. I was wondering if anyone on this board would be able to help me out? I'm not from Michigan, but have been considering a trip and would love to make a visit to "an amazing fabric store". Does this ring a bell for anyone and if you may know of the store could you also include an approximate location if you're able? There's such a wide expanse of knowledge on this list, I just thought it might be worth asking. Thanks so much! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 04:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Q38M021894 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:26:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k019Ps8b027371; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k019PPSl081837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PMjD080942; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k019PIKl080913 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0256C33A61 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:17 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:25:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 04:25:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B7A022.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is cone. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg my def. on MoaP this is not (though loud) MoaP http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/PSClaudeandPetronella/?action=v iew¤t=PC36.jpg It's when the bodice is cinched in such a way that the bosoms have no room but to pop out. http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=jmstrange&gallery_id=25 2009&image_id=11 Though these are wenches, I have seen women suppose to be nobility and looking like tarts. http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/CommercialShoot/?action=view&cu rrent=Commercial95.jpg This isn't as bad as I have seen in the past. Now I have no problem MoaPs except that it has become the belief that this was the norm for women of that century. This is not saying that the blooming bosom wasn't seen but it wasn't common. De -----Original Message----- > am not really wanting the "melons on a platter" as some >said earlier. Hi Becky, I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. Kelly/Estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 11:20:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKrNJ032338 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01GKict026629; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01GK8nh022136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GK3PN040959; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn3.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01GJxnZ040875 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 798AF233FE; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Received: from [207.161.60.7] by mprdmailfe9.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:03 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 384cdcd8c61b9666eaf2b127c7b452e6 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:20:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8015C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

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To: "Historical Costume"
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Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms


>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Status: RO Another thought also is, could the English women of the 16th century been more likely to be less endowed as a general trait? I wonder sometimes if this was the reason that the corset was an okay thing for the English, while other areas of the world at that time, like the Germans were developing a soft line that allowed the curved of the bust, and is easier for the more well endowed to wear. alex Wendy wrote: The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies? I'm not referring to the largely mythical we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset, though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same area on a woman less rounded and endowed. The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset. Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o) --Sue in foggy-drippy Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan, > > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are > > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher > > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than > > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times. > > It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time > periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments > than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce > "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a > cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together). > Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather > large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real > life, but we're talking about the ideal. > > And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a > folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and > bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing > one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and > young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could > keep covered. > > And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions, > ethnicities, yadda yadda. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Status: RO > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > avoid > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > same > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 14:17:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHjwS002528 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01JHbJV012733; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01JHAFN041390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH7G9017540; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01JH42w017472 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3EBA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (pri-nat-163-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.163]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C7EA540A4 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:17:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060101162003.798AF233FE@mprdmxin.myway.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcYO71o0ojOzMdkPT++yxc7Biu6HGwAFySKw Message-Id: <20060101201434.73C7EA540A4@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B82AD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A few years ago I read a research study discussing the effects of diet on body shape, if I remember right it was about modern diet but touched on historic times (I might have that reversed) today's diet is much higher in fat (which we don't burn off) and women do in fact have proportionally larger breasts. I believe if you look at older standardized size charts that can be confirmed. Combine that with the numerous chemicals which we consume with estrogen-like properties and it really does seem like breasts are getting larger. Look at a bunch of 16 years old girls - twig thin and huge bustlines, my friends didn't look like that 25 years ago. One of the differences between the early American diet and the European diet was also the amount of fat (more meat being available to the average person in the U.S. in the 18th & 19th centuries). Supposedly the first generation of women raised here had larger breast than their mother's did, one generation is too fast for it to be genetic. I'll see if I can find the article so I've got citations. Beth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:20 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms The big bosom thing is something I've been wondering about for a while too. I've seen very few portraits, if any, that show women with large breasts pre-19th C even in portraits where the women are robust. Clothing styles definately didn't encourage large bosoms, I know a lot of women who have trouble making garb that fits. They either use a princess style cut, which isn't appropriate, or squish themselves (which is not flattering or, I imagine, comfortable) Could large breasts be a modern occurance? Our food is pumped full of hormones and other chemicals. In the last few decades, girls are physically maturing faster than they used too. My friends and I started menstrating around 14-15 years old, now girls are 11-12. In the past, ideal beauty may have been small breasts as compared to now, where bigger is not big enough (I was so born in the wrong century); but not all portraits were idealized. Wendy --- On Sat 12/31, Sue Clemenger < mooncat@in-tch.com > wrote: From: Sue Clemenger [mailto: mooncat@in-tch.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Just a bit of wondering....In addition to Sheer Bad Taste (tm) and
inaccurate information on the part of a fair number of modern reenactors and
RenFairies, could some of the TOAP effect be coming from our larger bodies?
I'm not referring to the largely mythical
we're-so-much-taller-than-they-were idea, but the reality of a lot of 21st
century Americans being, well, *koff* heavier than optimal health would have
us. Myself included, so no slam meant. You get somebody who's well-endowed
to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid
having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. In a corset,
though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when compared to the same
area on a woman less rounded and endowed.
The best (historical) support I've had that didn't present a huge shelf was
the shell for the fitted gown from Robin's workshop. I suspect that's from
a different sort of support/compression going on than with a corset.
Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! ;o)
--Sue in foggy-drippy Montana

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>
> > I think of the melons on a platter in the 18th Century, not Elizabethan,
> > as the corsets are shaped differently. The Renn and Elizabethan are
> > more tubular in shape to the 18thC cone shape that gives you a higher
> > bustline. That and the 18thC women showed them off a bit more than
> > earlier women, what with the partlets of the earliers times.
>
> It depends on what you mean by melons on a platter. In both time
> periods, I think you see a lot more at Ren Faires and reenactments
> than the ideal for the time period. 18thC is supposed to produce
> "pleasing mounds", and I have not seen paintings where they show a
> cleavage line (the actual line from breasts pressed together).
> Winterthur Museum in Delaware has a portrait of a lady who is rather
> large busted, and still no line! Bet she wasn't like that in real
> life, but we're talking about the ideal.
>
> And while Elizabethans had partlets, 18thC have handkerchiefs, a
> folded square or triangle of cloth that covers the shoulders and
> bosom. Sometimes they were sheer and some were embroidered. Wearing
> one depended on time of day and age. They protect from the sun, and
> young women would tend to go without while those with wrinkles could
> keep covered.
>
> And in both centuries there was a gamut of class distinctions,
> ethnicities, yadda yadda.
>
> -Carol


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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KECbH003627 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KE397030261; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KDcF2046790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDXW6040846; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KDUow040831 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m1.in-tch.com [216.166.191.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k01K5Vb03238 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:05:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60f10$cb631700$01bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8380B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Uh, nope. Custom-made corset (by me, and it's fair to say that I know what I'm doing with 16th century costuming, at least for myself...got recognized for it mumblety-mumble years ago with an SCA peerage). It's more the effect that proper lift and support will have on a 56G chest. I do get minor spillage (*koff*) if the outfit I'm wearing isn't properly fitted, or if I've wiggled the corset too low, but the shelf's there, regardless. There's just too much to squish flat into the proper 16th century silhouette. Or 21st century, for that matter. I'm not quite this large (thank goodness!) at a lower weight, but structurally, the ratio remains the same. No offense taken, either, over your advice. Many of us appreciate hearing about different fitting techniques! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, >and I *can't* > > avoid > > having a shelf. Even in a modern bra, I've got a shelf. >In a corset, > > though, it's quite a bit more obvious, especially when >compared to the > > same > > area on a woman less rounded and endowed. > > I can understand your point. We are a bit heavier in general, but I think > it'd effect the cleavage line than anything. > > You are getting a shelf in you corset because it doesn't fit quite right, > comercial pattern? Your modern bra is because of the same problem. Often > times comercial pattern makers will scale up from the perfect sixe 12 > manikin. Not many people are that perfect. Store bought bras are the same > way. They don't actually make my size in bra...a 34DDD1/2, so I usually > have the four boob effect, or the band moves around too much, or I alter. > > For your corset, try raising the front a bit. Make a mock up, too long in > height from the armhole depth line up. Try it on, adjust where you want > your breasts to sit, and then get someone else to mark your top of corset > line. You should have a nice rounding, but no spillage/shelving. > > Hope that helps, and I'm not offending anyone. > Kelly/estela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 15:14:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEjDp003646 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01KEbPh006031; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01KEOdC046862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KEOip041089; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01KELnJ041035 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from niknjami@nouveauwest.com) Received: from c482216b (c-24-5-192-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.5.192.81]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060101201415014008jbnae>; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:14:15 +0000 From: "Nick &/or Jamie" To: Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200512310936.jBV9a9aR066313@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:14:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8382D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne: It could be exactly as you see it - Three buttons closing it at the top, and one or two closing it at the waist. Note that the entire body of the doublet is slashed into panes. You see this quite a lot in German woodcuts of the era, and not a few English portraits - Although in both cases this kind of closure tends to appear on leather jerkins. I've actually made a jerkin in this manner. It closes with a point at the waist, and two points at the top. Works quite well. The gaps between the panes open and close to show the doublet below. Of course it is possible that in the portrait in question the doublet is mimicking this style. Since the image is in black & white it's difficult to know what the full details are. Best Guess: Either exactly what you see, or hidden hooks and eyes. Would depend on the effect trying to be achieved. Nicholas Worthington -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Man's Doublet closure, was Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting? At 02:05 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >I stumped over this stunning mans renaissance clothes. >How is his doublet buttoned down the front. I only se 3 buttons at >the top, where is the rest? >Is it laced at the back? > >http://www.asn-ibk.ac.at/bildung/faecher/geschichte/maike/treffpunkt/abb81a .htm > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 18:59:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nx2wG007704 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k01Nws7X023934; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k01NwVSd068028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwRHq027544; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav7.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k01NwOY5027524 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:58:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:58:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2006 23:58:24.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[4037DC00:01C60F2F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corset construction help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B86CBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k01Nx2wG007704 Status: RO When constructing a corset, you really have to start with a good fitting basic block. This first step is crucial to obtaining a good fit in the final dress stage. Some commercial pattern companies still carry block, or slopers in their line. Build one in cotton muslin and get it fitted, by someone else. It is essential to have someone else take your measurments and do the fittings. No matter how much experience you have, or how much education or training you have, it is physically impossible to do accurate measurements on your own body. Once you have this block, you can then begin to develope your corset pattern to fit you. Norah Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines" and Robert Doyle's "Waisted Efforts" have good methods for determining the pattern, but you can also use the diagram of a period corset as a guide, and remove darts to achieve the desired look. If you have a large bustline, it may be necessary to carve out an 'armhole' along the top edge, and raise that top edge over the center front/bust area. It really is that easy to prevent spilling over. A good shoulder strap, well placed will add to the support needed. Tabbed corsets are much more comfortable to wear over the waist and hipline. I am willing to help anyone with corset problems. I want to help stamp out any myths about uncomfortable corsets. Properly fitted and constructed corsets are comfortable. I teach historical tailoring and cutting for the modern body. Kelly Grant Dalhousie University Costume Studies dept. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 19:46:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020ktgo008460 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k020klo3010327; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k020kRxT072305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kQ15046546; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k020kNJG046485 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010200461601300ca89de>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B877F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would like to thank Joanne Jones for the lovely gifts that she sent me. She gifted me with a blackwork book, black silk thread to do blackwork with (wonderful thread, Joanne!), and a paternoster (it's even made up of the colors of my device). The gift I was supposed to send out before Christmas is delayed because I took a nasty fall - luckily my right hand and wrist is improving and I have been able to work diligently to finish the holiday exchange gift. It will be sent out this week. It'll end up as a 12th Night gift instead of a Christmas gift. ;-) Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 1 20:25:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PopR008723 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k021PfCN026182; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k021O5a4075743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NxiK062653; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k021NtBe062619 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m77.in-tch.com [216.166.191.77]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k021Fwb18993 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:15:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001f01c60f3c$28eccda0$4dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010220060046.6457.43B877D5000D14AA0000193922007340769C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] holiday exchange gifts Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:30:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B88115.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hoo-rah, my Secret Santa package arrived this weekend! Debbie from West Yorkshire sent me a lovely package (twice...it's quite the story!) with several nice skeins of naturally-dyed silk and wool embroidery threads made by a lady in Wales, a small bag of dyed merino-cross wool for my spinning, a cute little book on York, and a frame-able scroll/poster on the highlights of the history of York. Very cool, since I'm big on embroidery (and like to experiment with natural dyes), AND York is one of my favorite places in Britain. Poor Debbie had to send the package twice, because the eejits at the Royal Mail somehow misunderstood the customs declaration label AND the address label for the U.S., and sent it *back* to her (at the return address). It must have had quite the trip, because I'd managed to goof up the address info when I sent it to Dawn, so it's more than a little bit of a miracle that it made it at all! I'm going to have lots of fun spinning my dyed merino fluff at the next SCA event I attend--I have a modern wheel that I use a lot at home, but use my little dropspindle at events. ;o) --Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:27:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RQ1I013191 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025RHFj017027; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025QY4W004274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QT1S068707; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025QS3f068690 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930118wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=m/Dv+IeCk5eiJOI89+m/HvG8OCfTJbQVHFpPAzTGUWe6xsODG0mYnMQw7S0jfBrBtc7LnyA9gjil49sJ/WWU1VgRcrwv8hS7uZCweJeyUCV0avDFnqTlCYQx7KTF8AfZZo7FE33vxG+iECtQ/ZuGUDgksUm1yunZfv+kbAKsWAU= Received: by 10.54.114.4 with SMTP id m4mr31722wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm12832796wrl.2006.01.01.21.26.27; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <019a01c60f5d$188bfb40$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><20051230135710.4qyi2tmzjn5wkgo8@www.goldsword.com><20051230165928.ifujurmc4ug4g0ss@www.goldsword.com> <001201c60dc7$09c81b80$8ebfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Pattern for Eleanor Painting was Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen thispainting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:27:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8B9B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I found the perfect dress for my fabric!!!!! That is about the closest > I've >> found to any design for the fabric I have. Any idea of what kind of > pattern >> I'd need to make it? >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo5.jpg Try www.margospatterns.com or www.reconstructinghistory.com . They'll need a little bit of fiddling, but both should work fine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:30:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UgrD013270 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025UYX8018391; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025UJW7004744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UJpG070412; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025UHQh070394 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1930383wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=mXpsgsXE1J5sHsDb9FEdPDxWAyZrQF6iIcTov2SoPYlp+MYeIIsUtskTO9h1vuC4VrXjTeSUef0CSOO27+mNPCOXAVKcSHz43poC87LFv6qwEoUnnH6nRi9TcmfmVFbqHU1bCudujg4aVbCAD9BaZwjs6e0sqcDkrGnHmucSvRE= Received: by 10.54.114.7 with SMTP id m7mr32041wrc; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm14082927wra.2006.01.01.21.30.15; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:30:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:30:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BA7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I found this image on IMDB: > > > > > Not the best photo, but you can definitely see her corset (and her thru > it!!) Frankly, I find the look very unflattering. Not alluring at all to see her breasts squished like that. Weird. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025glHt013472 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025gcKo023076; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025gIVk006363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gG03075171; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025gF8k075161 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so99363wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=TWduqAJ03FzYaMRdjCCwETPrnkdhMODm2yVd7y69gmY72w2Jkqk2JvPLCDtSV+BER1e9HwOvTEjVanVgOFvJy22flAUnKmA8rpoBdnUIuj/0pxsA8stOzvXYeGh4vnTuXe9CJEfCj+n2MOdxF44nm3ef2lCWQNIVyLEOKOZDOOY= Received: by 10.54.89.2 with SMTP id m2mr36964wrb; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm6977473wra.2006.01.01.21.42.14; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BD4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You get somebody who's well-endowed > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > having a shelf. Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 00:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025kGMC013561 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k025k8FJ024350; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k025jtvP006751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jtTP076555; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k025jqLp076519 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so1931917wra for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=SXXOO3XD/L31+klEnZS8/24psJI5AScjyyHbM+gpA5V9LMjvAaSksTb2URzlWItALjN5JOIrbqn/hwF7ZEQfDE5kjLo/8w+/uQ0NfiXa5sPJh9wFpJ7eUHrzfEixNXAqa0OM/NVqlPxEno+exdfAYO4YFD8IqHyg4rIqpvY1Iww= Received: by 10.54.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr41058wra; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d7sm6203727wra.2006.01.01.21.45.51; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:45:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 00:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8BE20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is > cone. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02643rF013924 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:04:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0263tL9031779; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0263ccG008489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263ZXC083747; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0263VfM083689 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k025tYb02850 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:55:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005101c60f63$379c31c0$48bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <55357.64.156.242.51.1136063333.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><004201c60e77$0de13d40$11bfa6d8@pavilion> <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C24B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That would be the Truly Bad Taste (tm) part . --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > > You get somebody who's well-endowed > > to begin with, like me, and add some overweight to it, and I *can't* avoid > > having a shelf. > > Maybe. But a shelf in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they > overflow over the top of the bodice, or when the bodice is cut so low they > actually fall out. Or when they push their breasts high enough that they end > up higher than their armpits. I mean... with a correctly cut and sized > corset, the most you'll get is a horizontal plane on top... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026XDno014549 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026X4uF010880; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026WAh1011545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W5YS096269; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026W1DF096233 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E78D836208 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:33:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8C920.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I still consider this conical. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg this almost can be tubilar http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg -----Original Message----- Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:49:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nM0E014881 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026nDMs017142; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026muhk013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026msGf003360; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026mprC003344 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF6F83621E for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:49:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <020c01c60f5f$4c8bd4e0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CCE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You do have these http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ApotheosisDetail.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Montemezzano2.jpg note she is a bit hunched over. http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/BassanoConcert1.jpg http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/MadonnadelleRose.jpg among the working class http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk8.html http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk9.html The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other countries until the early to mid 1600s. I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It makes them feel a bit sexy. A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 01:54:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026s5NJ014950 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:54:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k026rvbV018913; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k026rgCb014152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rgZW005135; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k026rdC3005120 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 23:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C9BB3F0 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISG00GOMDTBYL@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:53:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:53:33 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info museum pictures In-reply-to: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43B8CDED.7000007@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20051231114700.1D22131970C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8CE05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks! That helped. Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Some more info on the pictures > http://mystictimes.nl/Gallery/Gallery.html Roger _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 02:45:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027j6Gt026210 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k027ivXC006033; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k027iQxm022176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iNRD029699; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k027iI15029652 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.192]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4277D26285C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bossoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:45:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8D9F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 04:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029S48p014674 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:28:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k029RtIx013316; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k029R9fm032795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029R2FO070738; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k029QVkR070596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-40-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.40]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k029QTlG024097 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:30 +1100 Message-ID: <001b01c60f7e$9bb90e10$28daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B8F21B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >I still consider this conical. > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg > this almost can be tubilar > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg > I think the point Audrey is trying to make is that although the earlier tudor styles were not entirely cylindrical there was less emphasis on the small waist and large bosom that the later Elizabethan (or 18th Century) styles although much of the cone shaped appearance is an optical illusion caused by things like triangular stomachers and long points. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 09:04:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E42ME020847 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:04:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02E3rQJ000719; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02E3Qw8064402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3JpN084386; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav4.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02E3E0n084323 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <021501c60f5f$ce0bfe00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:03:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2006 14:03:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[453FFE00:01C60FA5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B932C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That and there is a huge difference in cut between the early elizabethan stays and the 18thC stays. Even the effigy stays are cut with only three pieces...the 18thC ones are cut in five or more. That seaming adds a lot to the position of the breast within the stays. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bosoms was: Have you seen this painting? >> Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is >> cone. >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg >> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg > > Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really > empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late > examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size > 4 hips! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQqXg022854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FQh6K009723; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FKS06084428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKPZR024948; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FKMZ8024918 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FCOb22633 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:12:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94633.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > The thing is that these are all "Italian". There are a rare few Landsknecht. > I have a hard time finding the sort of squeezed melons on a platter in other > countries until the early to mid 1600s. > I think that the reason that women from the RenFaires like to wear the MoaP > is because 1. they are told the myth that that is how it was worn and 2. It > makes them feel a bit sexy. > A note on a previous post about modern women having bigger breast and > heavier weight then they did back when. I don't think that the person who > wrote the article you read had a look at late 1500s "Italian" paintings. IMO > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:30:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FU785023642 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FTxo4011383; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:30:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02FTWCH086037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTVPI029700; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02FTP1F029645 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02FLSb23853 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:36:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B946F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't seen that movie! Is it an American production, or done by another country? (I'm asking because my local video stores tend to put American drama in a "drama" section, and non-American films in a "Foreign" section.) I'm in the mood for a few costume movies ...have "Restoration" on my list, since I haven't seen that in a while. And "Dangerous Liaisons." --Sue, in a mood to watch and sew ;-D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] bossoms > Take a look at the movie : "Let them eat Cake" with French and Saunders. The > big lady is laced in a beautifull 18th century corset, and it is so well > done. I have always admired the costumer who made that. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 10:56:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FubXH024640 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02FuSaE024452; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02Fu87G091694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu43S045030; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02Fu0k3044989 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=AcNUaeiGyQgX3QBgpdiBnKewRTEAUBKzq5+hL0xz0SFM2h/6jEgWIPrnoa7lQP0i; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.198] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EtS2Q-0004gl-Tc for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bb2fac561a2c28c27b2d0161184d659c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B94D2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 11:14:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEhR2024970 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02GEZP0000629; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02GDvIU093296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDtpp055083; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02GDqAR055046 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k02G5tb02420 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003f01c60fb8$7bffd240$09bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c60f70$614d2f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><001301c60fb2$4665a660$09bfa6d8@pavilion> <008c01c60fb5$052780d0$c6159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:20:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9516B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bummer! *sigh* (sue scratches it off her list).... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bossoms > "Let Them Eat Cake" was a very short-run British comedy set at the cusp of > the French Revolution, starring the comedy team of Dawn French and Jennifer > Saunders (of Ab-Fab fame). It's out on DVD, but not in the US. > -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 13:13:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ID08I029854 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:13:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k02ICpHt032432; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02IBmPS008170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBg1j027745; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k02IBXAq027658 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so1830084wxc for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wf+F/NX061MFeSyc3vB4XNfXOvwAE0i9zvnH0kQeuZcd0dOwp1iylAZCWVbxrJ4FapFYr/VPelzkDnzkkc3XGJPvwZd4ISf55ivniuCeRs21uHaWm3Gdtqw3T3CG0hFsLDAFr6FC2mocndNvmUvDnrgUHj5T8Rfl0GrPJKAuo5Q= Received: by 10.70.104.3 with SMTP id b3mr12746600wxc; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601021011x440fb7d5t535d27010fc0f79e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:11:32 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "Casanova" (possible spoiler) In-Reply-To: <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051231153421.48315.qmail@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b701c60f5d$a02a74f0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k02IBXAq027658 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B96D23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO this is another plot spoiler, so... spoiler space... another reason for the weirdness of that corset may be that there were some action scenes coming up, as she and casanova make a dramatic escape from the scaffold. there may have been need for a harness or some sort of safety gear or padding underneath? (they jump from the scaffold onto a moving carriage/horses.) i was watching a sort of "behind the scenes" thing the other day, and it looked like they were doing their own stunts, but i fully admit i was only really giving close attention to heath ledger at that point :) just playing devil's advocate, as i agree it looks really ugly in that photo. i wish i were an actress in these movies -- i would be so happy to get to wear corsets and get paid for it! i loved the film, and because the plot and humor were a bit anachronistic in flavor, i expected and allowed for inaccuracies in the costuming. (there was also a dress at one point with a very 19th-century-looking back bustle thing going on, which also jarred me for a second.) i think since the film as a whole was not aiming to be a recreation of real historical events, then just giving the "look and feel" of the period is appropriate. it's just supposed to be a fun romantic comedy with pretty outfits, after all :) -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:24:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031O1qU011152 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:24:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031Nrwf020604; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031NIMk063795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031NCm5098099; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031N9FL098080 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B72A233877 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:23:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000801c60fb1$02521680$09bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:23:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D229.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. :) Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the article that someone told me about a few months back. I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are correct about poor fit, and poor information. My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly 60% have the wrong century corset) She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the classes. Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's fantasy. And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" patterns that don't help the matter. Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. De -----Original Message----- That was my post, and I didn't read an article to come to that conclusion. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion, really, just a "toss it out there" idea, based on my own personal experience and observation. I'm aware of the paintings in which fleshier women appear (some of the Dutch ones in that same time period show the same sort of voluptuousness, too), but when you look at the nudes, it always seems to come down to an exaggeration of the sitter's hips/thighs. It's also an obsession that didn't show up everywhere, even in Europe, and certainly didn't maintain its presence in later centuries. I don't seem to recall something similar showing up at all until the lateish 19th century. I'm really trying to avoid starting some sort of hot-and-bothered, flaming thread here. It's not my business to be berating modern people for weight issues, and I wouldn't, anyways, having suffered from society's reaction to my own shape most of my life. So no value judgements. I was just wondering if the reason some of us see so many badly fitting bodices on women now is a combination of many of the women simply being larger, combined with some amount of bad taste, and a fair quantity of misinformation. I've done a lot of historical costuming over the last 2 decades (much of it for myself), and I know how many fittings of patterns and whatnot I've had to do to get the right look with my modern body. --Sue, in grey pre-dawn Montana, where it looks like our unseasonably warm weather has gone away again, alas! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 2 20:49:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nPhO011691 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k031nGCj010571; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k031hI97066153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hGNE010502; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k031hB4B010437 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k031ZDb15595 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:35:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:49:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43B9D81C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms > Thank you for reminding me of the Dutch paints, I had forgotten about them. > :) > Though I am bias I do not think that my post was flaming. > Your statement is not the first time I have heard about comparison of weight > from the Renaissance to modern. I may have assumed that you had read the > article that someone told me about a few months back. > I may not be a big wompin' momma but I come in a close second, so it isn't a > weight issue, it's an information issue, with me. > I don't think that it matters of the size of the woman but I think you are > correct about poor fit, and poor information. > My friend who is into fetish and historic costume corsetry once told me many > of the women she encounters from RenFairs have ill-fitted corsets.(roughly > 60% have the wrong century corset) > She has had women come to her and ask how can she wear that corset because > they wore a corset for a RenFaire and was so uncomfortable. After explaining > proper fit, she would offer to either fit them with a store bought corset or > make one. 99% of those who take up her offer are satisfied with the results. > I hear many think that the bawdy look is the norm and rampantly crosses the > classes. > Many assume that the head costumer is well read in historic costuming > (usually they are) there are also those that show up to the RenFaire who > have copied a gown that they saw at the faire the previous year not knowing > whether it is period or another person perpetuating another person's > fantasy. > And then there are the major pattern companies and their "Renaissance" > patterns that don't help the matter. > Now this is my opinion and doesn't mean that it is 100% fact. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 00:45:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jeDp015684 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k035jVcA019220; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k035j3Zr095664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035isRC045679; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k035iqXe045659 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A171333A32 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:51 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bosoms Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <001101c61008$048a67c0$14bfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA0F7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, okay. :) I don't recall the magazine she said it came from I just remember that what my friend relayed to me sounded like the person didn't do very good research. Also had the myth in the article about people in the Renaissance never bathing. De -----Original Message----- Gack! I wasn't, really, trying to aim the "flaming" reference at you! Heavens, no. I'm sorry that wasn't clear (mea culpa!). What I was trying to say, in my clumsy/wordy fashion, was that I really didn't want this thread to degenerate into another tirade on fat Americans. We've had those on this list, unfortunately, and I'd be pretty content if they didn't occur in the future. I'm laughing at your description of a "big wompin' mama" . I qualify, although I'm more fire-plug shaped, being short and not amazonian-tall. ;o) I don't have much experience at all with RenFaires (they just don't occur in my part of the world, so what I know is all 2nd-hand), but I've seen plenty of the same sort of ill-fitting bodices and bad information occur at SCA events. Not at all familiar with the article you're mentioning--if you remember more specifics, it'd be great if you'd post them. I'd like to read it. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 02:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JZkM021627 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k037JQHH001895; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k037IqGM004086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037ImjB089971; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k037Ii49089929 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EtgRP0MQ6-0006T4; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c61036$01a189c0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ten Years! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 02:19:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA257E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k037JZkM021627 Status: RO The Costume Gallery website's 10th year Anniversary is Jan. 6, 2006. Many, many thanks to all of you for making my dream job come true. A very heartfelt thanks to the h-costumers who have been around for all these years. You encouraged me and gave so much guidance from the very beginning. For our anniversary, I am opening up the online Library for free access from Jan. 3 - 6. You may invite your family and friends to use our Library during the free access period. The passwords are only good for our Library section of our website. These passwords will change on Jan. 7 at 12 am. The new passwords will only be available to subscribers at that time. Go to www.costumelibrary.com and click on the SUBSCRIBER LOGIN button. Library Passwords good only from Jan. 3 - 6: Login: cg2003 Password: budnan5 NOTE: Remember to use all lower case letters and no blank spaces before, after, or in-between the passwords. Blank spaces are recognized as characters and will give you an error message. It is so hard for me to believe it has been 10 years! In 1996, the website was called Historic Costume Research and the Library was all that was on the site. The growth continued with The Costume Gallery in 1997, Online Costume Ball in 1997, the Costume Classroom in 2000, A Year in Fashion series in 2000, Designer's of Their Time series in 2003, and Fashion Color Database in 2005. Many thanks again, Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 09:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03EknJp024264 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Ekcdf026887; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EkHgh066631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03EkGaP036033; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Ejsqn035793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k03EjmP84675 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:45:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 03 Jan 2006 08:45:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bosoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA8E4E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! my def. on MoaP this is not (though loud) MoaP http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/PSClaudeandPetronella/?action=v iew¤t=PC36.jpg It's when the bodice is cinched in such a way that the bosoms have no room but to pop out. http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=jmstrange&gallery_id=25 2009&image_id=11 Though these are wenches, I have seen women suppose to be nobility and looking like tarts. http://photobucket.com/albums/v314/Maestro01/CommercialShoot/?action=view&cu rrent=Commercial95.jpg This isn't as bad as I have seen in the past. Now I have no problem MoaPs except that it has become the belief that this was the norm for women of that century. This is not saying that the blooming bosom wasn't seen but it wasn't common. De ================================ Sigh, I have to take responsibility for some of these, this is my home faire :). I think you are right though, in the business part of the rennfaire world, this is a *very* accepted look for any female in costume. It is expected by the majority of the patrons too. There is little tolerance for authentic costuming when what they want is 'St. Pauly Girl' both for serving the ale and wearing the crown. I just try and tell myself it is at least fairly close to 17th C :). That being said, this group of wenches actually do a pretty good job of staying away from TOAP and overflowing cups. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 09:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Ekn1a024265 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03EkcVO013873; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EjAT8066510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Ej3wF035373; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Eiw0U035252 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1361.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.83]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C08319209 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:44:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:44:50 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:46:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA8E4E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html This sounds quite interesting. I have the fashion book of the institute. Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? Is it hard to get permission? The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, Gothic Lolita clothing. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 10:38:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fc9ff026320 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fc1XV021165; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03FbcjZ073981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FbaMc070051; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FbWiL070018 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8BD1810398; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <43BA99D1.5060501@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:35:45 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Daguerreotypes of 1840s & 50s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA9A59.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you are interested in this period, you will want to see the exhibit Young America: The Daguerreotypes of Southworth & Hawes. I saw it at the George Eastman House in Rochester, NY over the holiday and the images are superb. It features over 150 images by the photographers from the 1840s through 1860s. The exhibit includes the original daguerreotypes and painting of Nancy Southworth featured in Joan Severa's Dressed for the Photographer. The details you can see in the originals are amazing. There is a massive catalog for the exhibit, but it runs $120 and the photos simply cannot convey the details visible in the originals. The show in Rochester closes this week (Jan. 8) and it will run Jan 28 to April 9 in Andover, MA in its final run. -- Anne Dealy adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 10:52:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fq0Fr027121 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Fpqua032129; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03FpFrD076200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03FpAOD080303; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Fp7rN080237 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.193]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BDEE47FF06 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:51:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001301c6107d$8242a540$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] solved email problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:51:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BA9D98.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi the list, Sorry if this is off topic, but if some of you have sended me emails lately, i probably never got them. I have solved the problem now, so please if you had something send to me, please send it again. I hate to think of all those mails i never got.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 11:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03Gisfr028241 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:44:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03GijQb011403; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:44:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03GiNT1084822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03GiL5I024649; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03GiG8x024531 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51991 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 16:44:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NveL71vb5uQfCMV3h9MrRbmHaxCI7mhU3E0QWhEiQAMDeyqrMha0V6nsrM3KM/v9w5T23pbM2vsp1PUTj0wzHKa1afjrz9CLemA15uw8qRdZnXK2Sc7CfQVqdoU8a0bRmBHDitYg/iBw3lhJKn3BjTAv85IZdIt4NcdjxrBG4SI= ; Message-ID: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.249.220.59] by web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:44:10 PST Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Hello-new member X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAA9FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings, I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need of guidance and after reading through some of the archived messages, this sounds like the place to find it. My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the end of February. I have asked him to find contact information for the person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a little more in-depth. There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:23:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HNRdM028821 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:23:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HNIpe011398; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HMj9G090702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HMgcv059527; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HMcTL059347 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.7b.53232c78 (17228) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.53232c78.30ec0cd2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:22:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Daguerreotypes of 1840s & 50s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB306.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com writes: > Young America: The Daguerreotypes of Southworth &Hawes Yummy! On Amazon.com the book is $75....with used ones for $70. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:25:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HPEqu028834 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:25:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HP5Oh003415; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HOjmW090968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HOhox061231; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03HObx6061037 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5XN3LAEWTQMJ for (sender ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LDTBRVAT; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:23:14 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:16:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Message-ID: <20060103.111654.-115765603.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2, 5-6, 19-22, 24-26, 28-31, 33-34, 37-38, 43-44, 47-48, 52-62, 64-101 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 34:17:4059408920 X-MAIL-INFO: 2655cd41cdfde419fde45110e45154f9e124a4ad50d124f41de0506df4d944a5f484b9d45549557dc9519de45510 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn79mV6GDCcUQI9zBxNVlGKcv374nRnKxjXA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB371.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I am a long-time member of the group your will be costuming for (Bristol RenFaire Guilde of St. George) and I can give you some pointers, but Kate Bailey will be your final word of approval. I can tell you that authenticity is very important- some people use theatrical cheats, but it's rather discouraged. It's important to use fabrics with lots of natural fiber as we will be performing in the dust and heat of high summer. Try to get fabric with as much cotton in it as possible. Take a good look at other Renaissance portraits and try to train your eye as to what patterns are appropriate- many modern upholstery fabrics are a good pattern but be careful that they aren't too big to go on a human body. When in doubt, use a plain fabric and go wild with the trim. Make sure your colors are correct to period- it's hard to go wrong with greys, browns, and golds. As a knight and a sea captain, you should probably err towards the side of simple and practical. It's better to do a fairly simple outfit well than to do a really complicated outfit badly. The parts of the outfit you will need to make/provide are: period correct shirt (preferably two so he can have a clean one on Sunday) breeches (slops or venetians) doublet sleeves (they are detachable so you could make him a couple different matching ones....) a cloak or jerkin (sleeveless over vest) hat He will also need period correct shoes/boots. Most men wear men's theatrical/ballet tights underneath. For a good set of men's patterns you can't go wrong with Margo's Patterns, she has a complete outfit in one pattern package along with excellent instructions. Consider using several layers of trim as decoration to give it depth and interest rather than one wide trim. You will need to buy more trim than you thought possible to trim the outfit- I never buy trim in less than 15 yard lots these days and you could probably use 20-30 yards on the breeches, doublet and cloak without even trying hard. Since he is a knight, you won't need to worry about beading and jeweling, but he should consider getting at least one piece of really nice jewelry to decorate the outfit. Don't limit yourself to just locally available fabric resources- the Web is a great place to shop and most fabric sellers will send you swatches. My personal favorite is Fabric.com but I'm sure other people will have other resources to share. Karen Seamstrix Lady Philadelphia Carey, Baroness Le Scrope of Bolton Guilde of St. George, Bristol Renaissance Faire On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) REBECCA BURCH writes: > Greetings, > > I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need > of guidance and after reading through some of the > archived messages, this sounds like the place to find > it. > > My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a > Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make > his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied > with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, > but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the > best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of > time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the > end of February. > > I have asked him to find contact information for the > person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will > know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have > done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a > little more in-depth. > > There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a > guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? > My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and > Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? > > Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 12:31:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HVIeC028897 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:31:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03HVAC9018417; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03HUiNb091926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HUdPZ066697; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03HUUBA066551 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([70.18.149.60]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISJ000GJ1YOHSH3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:30:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:30:24 -0500 From: "RON CARNEGIE" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAB4DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hey I played Sir Martin Frobisher myself for a few years at a Rennainsince faire ( in California)! I also did have a costume based upon the painting that you speak of, though I used wool for all the pieces. It is diifficult to be precise about some of the fabric in that painting, at least when using reproductions of it in books. I susppect it would be more obvious if the actual painting is viewed. The portrait shows what is I believe a silk or satin doublet in white. This part is clear. The sleeves of the doublet are shaped in a sort of "leg of mutton" style. Very full in the shoulders, thight in the forearms. They appear to be cut longer than needed as well. The doublet closes with several small buttons set close togetherand has a very narrow skirt at the bottom. What is a harder to determine is the fabric of the other garments. Over the doublet he wears a jerkin and he wears a pair of venetians. These items are both constructed of the same material and match. There seem to be two opinions out there on what the fabric is. One would theory is that it is leather, the other wool. If it is leather, it is a soft finished leather, like proper deerskin as opposed to the modern stuuf easily available. A plushness is cleary apparent in some copies of the painting. The jerkin is laced up the front with points (a seperate tie at each place rather than a long cord like a woman's pair of bodys or corset). The jerkin is finsihed with rolled piccadills at the waist and a double set of similiar piccadils at the top of the armscye. If you make the jerkin of wool, do yourslef a favour and do not finish the edges of these piccadills. You will be dealing with a lot of fabric in those seams as it is. The outfit is finished with a THIN sword belt over the doublet (but under the jerkin) beige shoes, ruffs at the neck and wrists and a cord around his neck. Hanging from the cord is what I have aften heard described as a 16th century bosuns whistle, but what looks to me far more like a ring hanging from a cord. Bosun's pipes do exist in the period, and in most cases look quite different from modern ones (not always though). I think that in this case though the item has simply been misidentified. There are a number of sources for fabrics online, and if you intend to make this in wool you may need them. Wool selection tends to be a little dicey at least at my local versions of the two stores you mentioned. I have purchased some for reasonable prices from Hamilton Drygoods, who is online. B. Black in Sons also have an online page. They provide most of the finer wools you will find at places like Hancocks or Joannes. I am not certain if they do retail business though. I know when I lived in California still we needed a business license to buy from them. They are one of the things I most miss about California! Great people to do business with, and they would give you great deals when you were there in the shop. My friends here where I now live at Burnley and Trowbridge have a great selection of historic appropriate fabrics as well as some books that will help you weith patterning for the period. There webpage wont help you with their fabric though. You will have to either call them, or order their catalog WITH the fabric swatches. I have found some good deals on Ebay as well, including several yards of a biege that would work well for Frobisher. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Hello-new member > Greetings, > > I was so pleased to find this resource. I am in need > of guidance and after reading through some of the > archived messages, this sounds like the place to find > it. > > My son will be playing Capt. Martin Frobisher at a > Renaissance Faire this summer and has asked me to make > his outfit. Up to this point he has been supplied > with Yeoman garb. I have loads of sewing experience, > but none in historical accuracy. Where would be the > best place to start? I also don't have the luxury of > time, since he needs to submit fabric swatches by the > end of February. > > I have asked him to find contact information for the > person in charge of costume at the Faire, so I will > know just how deep the accuracy needs to go. I have > done theatre costuming, but I think this needs to be a > little more in-depth. > > There is a portrait of this gentleman to use as a > guide. How do I tell what kind of fabric to look for? > My local fabric sources are limited to Joann's and > Wal-Mart. Are there good resources online? > > Any guidance/assistance will be appreciated. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 13:44:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03IimgI029963 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:44:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03IieZ1016262; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:44:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IhcKT004532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03IhSgU033065; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03IhFNh032934 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 32136 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 19:38:22 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:38:22 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:44:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAC618.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Rebecca, I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical costumes. http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or other questions you may have! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 15:45:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03KjOx8031983 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:45:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03KjFxY017426; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03KgvBJ023679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Kgr4G039319; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03KgoL6039178 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:42:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62890 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2006 20:42:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QFtC12iCHeR1x7wWi0RATEAHZ4MrAhiF9u2qzP1ZoVY7VB93fjMP8v4GyhPckkRPThHudP+xUUs0Vbj9xX026l2fgSNcaVJH9GGQJ8oclefUzI13yLCMxnhrNLcgcd/VtnRX5pcOei4J03SLSd73OpKgal6Cg8AbxJJ7i+ro2eo= ; Message-ID: <20060103204243.62888.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:42:43 PST Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200512291730.jBTHTxVf018489@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18th c polonaise. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAE25C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Huum You are on the big place on the other side of the world, so I can't loan you any of my patterns. That leaves Big Pattern Co's. where I haven't yet seen anything that really turns me on, or books, Some of the good ones have pattern drafts right in them. The easiest to deal with, and ones that you might actually be able to get to are: Arnolds books, Fitting and Proper and the Williamsburg Costume in detail. . some of the others. And there is always the rumor that I wait for, that the Simplicity line is coming out with 18th c patterns in their Martha McCain costume historian line. I think she's done quite well in the American Civil War (War between the States, the late Unpleasentness)... Real nice looking, they look like REAL THINGS and adaptable to period sewing techniques for those of us with less than adequate pattern drafting skills. (No I find fitting a real, true problem!!! ) Mia in Charlotte, NC, just catching up to the rest of the world after 10 days off work --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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Mazel Tov Penny! You're making me feel old! My my, has it been ten years already? angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ten Years! The Costume Gallery website's 10th year Anniversary is Jan. 6, 2006. Many, many thanks to all of you for making my dream job come true. A very heartfelt thanks to the h-costumers who have been around for all these years. You encouraged me and gave so much guidance from the very beginning. For our anniversary, I am opening up the online Library for free access from Jan. 3 - 6. You may invite your family and friends to use our Library during the free access period. The passwords are only good for our Library section of our website. These passwords will change on Jan. 7 at 12 am. The new passwords will only be available to subscribers at that time. Go to www.costumelibrary.com and click on the SUBSCRIBER LOGIN button. Library Passwords good only from Jan. 3 - 6: Login: cg2003 Password: budnan5 NOTE: Remember to use all lower case letters and no blank spaces before, after, or in-between the passwords. Blank spaces are recognized as characters and will give you an error message. It is so hard for me to believe it has been 10 years! In 1996, the website was called Historic Costume Research and the Library was all that was on the site. The growth continued with The Costume Gallery in 1997, Online Costume Ball in 1997, the Costume Classroom in 2000, A Year in Fashion series in 2000, Designer's of Their Time series in 2003, and Fashion Color Database in 2005. Many thanks again, Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 17:27:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03MRj0n001488 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:27:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03MRa4M031926; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03MR0aO040066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03MQvlF028043; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03MQrfM027993 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 318463628F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BAFA58.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Some help http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp54600&rNo=2&role=sit The best I can do in getting the portrait that Cornelius Ketel painted. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0300083807/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-4894048-4326327 #reader-link If you copy this you will definitely want the shirt to be linen. I don't think that MF would be wearing the full ruff while working. The off-white doublet looks satin but it is not the same "satin" as modern satin. Might substitute the satin for polished cotton. The jerkin looks to be leather. Recommend these patterns for assistance if needed. http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html Good luck, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:27:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NRFbd002488 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NR6kr005423; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NQPGd049925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NQKQW080974; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NQHaZ080863 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:26:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k03NQBu13806 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:26:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Althea Turner Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:26:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Laura de Pola X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB084A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello, I've been asked to help with this costume. 1544 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's made? thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:31:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NVxXN002591 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:31:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NVoWv008516; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NVLgn050792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NVGMG085710; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03J1CNj049146 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.59.237 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:01:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.59.237] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:01:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:01:05 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 19:01:06.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D2D8C00:01C61098] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB0966.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k03NVxXN002591 If you are going to follow the advice (which I agree with) to use layers of trim generously, you'll need this site: http://www.cheeptrims.com/default.asp Janet Davis _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWGG2002598 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NW8QE027728; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NVecF050845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NVc7J086046; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03Jos0f094028 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so2080980wxc for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Nn4E/TfX4HTOo+DQ0Ajhz4H1LFLEQUmM28sQjTBE7VHDz+PZshxaRSs9x7wte++jRrkSgmeGsBz3O7pYuH4qAdqvpdRGpEn5v/ZpXah6clO1HaSEY1IY+5KYgXQShL3GBjZYtZTAGw2vcdM0DS1atTjiAWPVRfAcITHpwR3SRak= Received: by 10.70.13.4 with SMTP id 4mr6859234wxm; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.80.8 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:50:53 -0500 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member In-Reply-To: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB0978.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k03NWGG2002598 re: wool breathing I have a slightly fulled wool flannel dress that I wear with linen undergarments, it has done well for me in windy, 35F weather and fairly muggy 82F degree weather. Admittedly, I was *warm* in the heat, but not dying by any stretch, and this is a dress that was designed for *cold.* I would imagine something in lightweight wool would be even better. -Irmgart On 1/3/06, Diana Habra wrote: > > Rebecca, > > I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical > costumes. > > http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ > > I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and > historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a > doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be > used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it > isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically > accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going > to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get > sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. > > Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily > researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. > > And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend > linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also > carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as > pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order > other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for > a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. > > Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, > www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com > > I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or > other questions you may have! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWbWs002608 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWSNY004124; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NW2V8050935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NW1fX086459; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03LM1mS073668 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060103212203014008qqshe>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:22:03 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 Message-Id: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB098C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Beth, Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I have is: Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no copyright in it. Happy New Year, Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Oh that hurts. I had a bad one on concrete about a month ago. > > Please let me know which one you have. I've been collecting quite a bit on > archaeological textiles and costumes (SCA period), but need more on France. > > Take care. > Beth > > At 10:32 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:20:25 +0000 > >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > > > >Beth, > > > > I know I have a French costuming book somewhere in my library, let me > > see if it is the same one or not. If it is, I like the book except for > > the fact it is in French - there was a chapter in it that I wanted > > translated, luckily I had an acquaintance who could translate the chapter > > for me. Must go and let arm and wrist rest, had a nasty fall last weekend. > > > >Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 18:32:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWs5M002612 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k03NWjIv004389; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03NWPhP050999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k03NWN6w086804; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k03N9iYF065205 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7271 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 00:04:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:04:53 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1150.67.188.164.116.1136329938.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128.67.188.164.116.1136313949.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:12:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:32:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB099D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am SOOO sorry! That was supposed to be private! Diana > Rebecca, > > I have a fabric website specifically for people making historical > costumes. > > http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ > > I carry wool, silk, linen, and some cottons. For a hot summer and > historical accuaracy, I recommend linens for shirts, pants, and maybe a > doublet. Lightweight wool is even better for a doublet and can also be > used for pants. Most people think wool is too warm but it breathes so it > isn't that bad if you get a lightweight kind. And it is more historically > accurate than cotton. Silk would be accuarate as well, but if he is going > to be outside in hot weather, silk is impractical because it will get > sweat (salt) stains. You could use it as a trim fabric, though. > > Someone mentioned Margo's patterns. They are awesome and heavily > researched and tested (I know her personally). I recommend them also. > > And someone else said to use cotton for his outfit. I would recommend > linen over than cotton because it is sturdy and more accurate. I also > carry a cotton/linen blend that is good because it isn't as expensive as > pure linen but it has a better look than 100% cotton. I also can order > other colors than the ones listed on the website so if you are looking for > a specific color, let me know and I will see if it is available. > > Other websites you can check for fabrics are www.fabrics.com, > www.denverfabrics.com, and www.fashionfabricsclub.com > > I am a costumer myself so I will be happy to answer any construction or > other questions you may have! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 19:16:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k040GAQN003382 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k040Fxh7000920; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k040Ex6M056266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k040EuLi020371; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k040ErQu020239 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6223CEF1 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:14:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:16:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB13BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Althea Turner wrote: > Hello, > > I've been asked to help with this costume. > 1544 > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html > > I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple > gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. > > I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon > appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand > the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's > made? thanks! > The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. Not sure what's going on with the headdress in the same fabric. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 21:07:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042730f005115 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0426sHJ030456; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0426Rfl070171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0426Lmv091155; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0426H3q091049 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C2E3D473 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:06:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:06:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hatmaking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:06:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB2DBE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Those of you who make hats... Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've seen one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy everyone would be doing it, so I have to wonder. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 3 21:17:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042HrhT005299 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k042HiQ1003827; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:17:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k042H4gn071063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k042H0Sr096637; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:XSfZp6u9GNj6QChjMxGLxV8BCshind2Y@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k042Guih096579 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.4] (206-124-5-4.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.4]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k042Fts21297 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:15:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:16:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:17:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB3048.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. Sylrog On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Dawn wrote: > Those of you who make hats... > > Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the > process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've seen > one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy everyone > would be doing it, so I have to wonder. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 01:27:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k046RhO3008560 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k046RYU3005152; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k046R9Si098821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k046R5tJ027270; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k046R0Ro027131 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perronnelle@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12hc66v.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.24.223] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Eu26s-00059y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:26:58 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.10/218]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:35 -0600 Message-ID: <43BB6A9A.60004@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book References: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <010320062122.4068.43BAEAF9000C03DF00000FE422007507449C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BB6AD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Beth, > > Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I have is: > Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no copyright in it. > > Happy New Year, > Rose I did a quick check of Worldcat. The only book by those authors I found is titled "Histoire du costume". The only copy is in Brussels and the entry lists the date as "1950-1957?". --Charlene -- Plagiarism: Failure to adorn stolen ideas with footnotes, as opposed to scholarship, which repeatedly acknowledges the theft. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 07:39:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04CdQhb011198 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04CdIEI017346; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04CcKJY051610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04CcFSF098222; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04CcBYU098140 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.284.3641558 (62976) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <284.3641558.30ed1ba9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:38:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:39:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBC1F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/3/2006 9:18:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. Another that I recommend, unfortunately out of print (but our local library has it): "Classic Millinery Techniques" by Ann Albrizio It has more detail on building a buckram frame than "From the Neck Up" does, which I found very helpful--although I haven't actually tried it yet! That is on my list of things to try. I've been getting along modifying straw hats for early 19th c. day wear and making turbans for evening wear. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 09:44:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Ei70a013442 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:44:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04EhwA7013435; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:44:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04EhOYb066883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04EhKUD067553; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04EhDAk067429 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17943 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 14:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 14:43:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:43:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBDF2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, but I'd rather not!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 09:54:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Es9rC013726 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:54:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Es0Es022049; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04ErZBc068271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04ErUSX073440; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04ErRnL073340 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.27d.3893851 (4568) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:53:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE188.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/4/2006 9:44:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > Can you not rent it? I worked on "Interview" and I don't remember this dress. I thought everything Claudia wore was blue or green...except the pink dress she "kills" Lestat in. Must be a bustle gown...while they're in Paris [the unions [not a member] wouldn't let me go to Paris] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:14:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FEA64014120 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:14:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FDvDH005988; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FDH0k071183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FDGkb087546; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04FDB5Z087430 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82729 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:13:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104151112.01d96b28@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:13:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> References: <27d.3893851.30ed3b60@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE635.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:53 04/01/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/4/2006 9:44:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > I may have to go and buy > > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > > >Can you not rent it? > >I worked on "Interview" and I don't remember this dress. I thought everything >Claudia wore was blue or green...except the pink dress she "kills" Lestat in. >Must be a bustle gown...while they're in Paris [the unions [not a member] >wouldn't let me go to Paris] Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! Thanks anyway Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FTCRK014445 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:29:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FT4xK018937; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:29:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FRe4F073262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FRaGw098988; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FRWCD098865 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter61.comcast.net ([204.127.205.161]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415272601100djrofe>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:27:26 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter61.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:27:24 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:27:24 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBE9C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. :p XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:33:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FXhfB014554 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:33:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FXY5o023017; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:33:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FX8fG074128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX5Tl003727; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX03p003576 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060104153254.BXLX8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:32:54 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060104092412.026085c0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:27:12 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> References: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:33:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEACE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Rose, Thanks for the info. I know how the real world can do! Take care. Beth At 08:53 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:22:01 +0000 >From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net > >Hi Beth, > > Sorry for the delay, mundane life got a hold of me. :-) The book I > have is: >Le Costume - De L'Antiquite A La Renaissance Francaise by L. >Lejeune-Francoise and L. Lamorlette. The book is so old that there is no >copyright in it. > >Happy New Year, >Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:35:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FZ21V014589 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:35:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04FYrNh024820; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FXI55074170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FXHVN003889; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FX3is003608 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060104153257.BXOG8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:32:57 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060104092833.02609b20@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:32:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book In-Reply-To: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> References: <200601041453.k04ErXmc073478@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEB1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks for checking.. Beth At 08:53 AM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0600 >From: Charlene Charette >I did a quick check of Worldcat. The only book by those authors I found >is titled "Histoire du costume". The only copy is in Brussels and the >entry lists the date as "1950-1957?". > >--Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:40:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fen90014706 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:40:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Feeld029689; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FdMk1074956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FdELs008503; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai01.charter.net (mtai01.charter.net [209.225.8.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Fd9df008374 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip22-10.charter.net ([10.20.202.72]) by mtai01.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060104153522.RLUZ3280.mtai01.charter.net@mxip22-10.charter.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:35:22 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip22-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2006 10:35:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:35:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104151112.01d96b28@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcYRQXuMYE8y7UfySZKhJbn9RY5HfAAAsvvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBEC78.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, I would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very small fee, depending on your library) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > > > Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a > borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You > have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I > feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! > > Thanks anyway > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 10:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fgkvk014735 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:42:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Fgcar027402; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04FeiBX075114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FehVR009562; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04FeD23009164 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 75690 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:40:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:39:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE020 1079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBECEE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:27 04/01/2006, you wrote: >These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg > >I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the >movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for >the detailing. :p > >XxX, >Traci Thank you that's two more than I found. I gave in and bought the DVD - it was really cheap so I crumbled. Yes, I borrowed the customer's DVD for the blue dress - would never have managed without!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 11:07:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04G7HMY015209 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:07:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04G77ej021885; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04G6bf4080190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04G6V8B031458; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04G6Rv0031410 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 27754 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:01:41 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1077.67.188.164.116.1136390939.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002 019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:07:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBF2AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg > > I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the movie; I > made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? Just a thought.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 11:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04GNKhw015451 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:23:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04GNBgW003084; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04GDBpP081608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04GD8GM036913; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04GD4Px036674 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200601041612460130093cnve>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:12:46 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:23:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBF66F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress > and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying > it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? Heh, I've answered this question quite a few times to people trying to talk me in off the ledge for a detail on a costume not going the exact way I would want it to and my answer to them is 'I will know!' ;) XxX, Traci www.CrimsonVision.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 12:00:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04H0taZ016196 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:00:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04H0klV003861; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:00:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04H0DaK088633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04H08Ii080046; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04Gxs7k079783 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95680 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 16:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 16:59:49 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104165357.01d97a68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:00:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE02010 79C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> References: <010420061612.822.43BBF3FE000153C0000003362200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BBFF3E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:12 04/01/2006, you wrote: > > Well, if people on this list barely remember that she wore a gold dress > > and it is difficult to find pictures of it, I wouldn't worry about copying > > it exactly. Who will know if it is a good reproduction or not? > >Heh, I've answered this question quite a few times to people trying >to talk me in off the ledge for a detail on a costume not going the >exact way I would want it to and my answer to them is 'I will know!' ;) I will copy it as nearly perfectly as possible because that is what the customer is paying for. It is her wedding dress, and she will want it to be perfect. It is my job to do the research and get it right. *I* will know if it is a good reproduction, and it will matter to me. Traci, that's you and me both! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 12:58:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Hw9AE017488 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:58:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Hw1QV018718; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04HvQtc098881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04HvLg3031704; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04HvFlV031515 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78319 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 17:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 17:57:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104175557.01d969a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:57:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> References: <010420061527.27918.43BBE95C0000109E00006D0E2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104153808.01d97b68@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bought the DVD - was Slightly OT on Movie Costume source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC0CA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:39 04/01/2006, you wrote: >At 15:27 04/01/2006, you wrote: >>These are the only two images I found online; not so detailed though: >> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg >> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg >> >>I'm thinking you're going to have to grab yourself a copy of the >>movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable >>for the detailing. :p >> >>XxX, >>Traci > > >Thank you that's two more than I found. I gave in and bought the DVD >- it was really cheap so I crumbled. Yes, I borrowed the customer's >DVD for the blue dress - would never have managed without!! > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:42:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IgqBr018294 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:42:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Iggan022694; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04Ig65X006060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04IfwrO073161; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-22.bluehost.com [70.103.189.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04F7Ddx083223 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 2676 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2006 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box16.bluehost.com) (67.138.240.16) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from 193.84-48-130.nextgentel.com ([84.48.130.193] helo=acer) by box16.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EuAEK-0005OF-3Z for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:07:12 -0700 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:06:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {32532:box16.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp 84.48.130.193 authed with g.vinje@drakt.org} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: g.vinje@drakt.org,hotpop@drakt.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box16.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32532 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - drakt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:42:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC1722.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:43:21 +0000, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" > and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold > ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with > Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? I suspect it is this one; http://www.bradpittnow.com/movies/interview_vampire/94f.jpg Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA fĺr du lov" Anders (nesten 4 ĺr) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:44:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IiVoo018315 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:44:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IiNdL018539; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04IhPlQ006208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04IhJ6p074275; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FNjjj095117 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415230301100ddqgge>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:03 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:22:51 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:22:51 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061522.22879.43BBE84B00009F530000595F2200763692CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC1787.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here are the only two images I could find after a bit of a search: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you might have to buy the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 13:47:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04IlpXC018367 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Ilfp3026473; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:47:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04IgtPa006136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Igmuo073761; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04FNjji095117 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter61.comcast.net ([204.127.205.161]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006010415230201100di1r2e>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:02 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter61.comcast.net; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:00 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:23:00 +0000 Message-Id: <010420061523.22004.43BBE854000C907E000055F42205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC184D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Here are the only two images I could find after a bit of a search: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-525.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/antiquecorset/Interview%20with%20the%20Vampire/INTERVIEW_WITH_VAMPIRE-526.jpg I'm thinking you might have to buy the movie; I made the blue gown in 2004 and the movie was invaluable for the detailing. XxX, Traci www.crimsonvision.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source > please? (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy > the movie, but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 17:49:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04MnCje023650 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k04Mn1o8028331; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k04Mm9h6044690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04Mlv8P018529; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k04MlrT7018406 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24323 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2006 22:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2006 22:47:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:42:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC50DD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 4 20:55:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k051tCSm027125 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:55:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k051t4DO012709; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k051rtxY069647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k051rpnV055001; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04MD7Pe089216 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:12:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:46:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 22:12:02.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3BD6E50:01C6117B] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BC7C78.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I learned at a recent workshop that linen can have the same sheen as satin if the treatment is done correctly. It takes ironing the wet fabric until it shines. Lines should not be placed in a dryer. It will remove the sheen. Air drying retains the shiney surface. Once it'sbeen put in a dryer that sheen is gone forever. That is why we have so many linen textiles in museums... no dryers bach then. Dry gets too hot. I'd suggest going to a second hand store, find a piece of linen fabric and test the ironing suggestion. I need to do that myself. I weave and that is one of the things I'll have to do next year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello-new member > Some help > http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp54600&rNo=2&role=sit > > The best I can do in getting the portrait that Cornelius Ketel painted. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0300083807/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-4894048-4326327 > #reader-link > > If you copy this you will definitely want the shirt to be linen. > I don't think that MF would be wearing the full ruff while working. > The off-white doublet looks satin but it is not the same "satin" as modern > satin. Might substitute the satin for polished cotton. > The jerkin looks to be leather. > Recommend these patterns for assistance if needed. > http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html > > Good luck, > De > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 00:37:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k055bBU0030528 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:37:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k055b2cn011453; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:37:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k055Z1NL093649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k055YpKL083450; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k055Ym0E083373 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1E3D462 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:34:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43BCAFF7.8080505@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:34:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BCB07E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I have From the Neck Up, which I highly recommend. > I think that was the book I looked at that scared me so. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 05:35:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05AZu53013539 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:35:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05AZlY7003054; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05AZ6Fi026711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05AYxd1040895; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (fed1rmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.241.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05AYuZ5040815 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mcallahan@cox.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.7.102.71]) by fed1rmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060105103401.RHXF15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:34:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: Max Callahan Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:33:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Secret Santa and Christmas Gifts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:35:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BCF683.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wow ...I work a lot, don't look at my emails, and now have a ton to look through! I'm the one who sent you the silks, Genie. I'm very glad you liked them! I was tempted to keep them for myself once I saw them! ;D And I must thank my secret santa for the wonderful embroidery books! One is a Reader's Digest with great reference pics for stitches and the other's a cute little hardback called Stitches in Time. I love them! I think my secret santa was Lalah. (?) I hope that's right. I had so much going on when I got the package I'm afraid like a lot of others it got thrown out before I wrote down who it was from. As for other costume related gifts, I got a copy of All About Wool, Nineteenth-Century Fashion in Detail, and Cut of Men's Clothes! My wonderful husband got me a set of the Hercule Poirot series with David Suchet. Debbie Callahan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 06:40:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05Berr1025540 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:40:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05BeiU9007144; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05BYZ6u032712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BYXl0069588; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BYToq069553 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k05BWDZ8001920 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 05:32:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060105052814.01c61160@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 05:30:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] hatmaking In-Reply-To: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> References: <43BB2D98.1030406@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD05BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "From the Neck Up" is the obvious one but the millinery school I took a course from has some books for sale that are worth checking out: http://www.how2hats.com/booklist.html I found it very easy but made much more sense once someone showed me how to do things rather than trying to read about it. Best of luck, I love millinery, it is a blast and completely addictive! Cheers, Danielle At 08:06 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >Those of you who make hats... > >Would you suggest a good book or two? I'm totally intimidated by the >process but eager to try it if I can get good instructions. I've >seen one book that makes it look easy, but then if it was easy >everyone would be doing it, so I have to wonder. > >Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 09:44:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EiqhK004449 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:44:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EigqU031956; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:44:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05Ei6Yb070733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ei0Jc080959; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ehv9W080910 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5507.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.7]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A3FD26283B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:43:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c61206$7b2b5920$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com><003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net><6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:44:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD30DA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Suzi, I am so glad you posted this. They simply have all the things i cant have here in Denmark including furfelt blanks for new hats......... Tada da da............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers > > Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know > that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and > ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has > problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. > > www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > > Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:20:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JKSlw009956 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JKH5T009187; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JJeOw042344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JJSG2028339; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k05JJALl028033 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 4597 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 19:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 19:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "angelalazear" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD7171.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. Thanks in advance, angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:33:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JXrhn010139 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JXjR2023395; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JXJIM044910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JXHTd040527; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JXDX7040449 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:33:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:33:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:33:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 19:33:13.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE212EB0:01C6122E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD7499.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If the linen is really fine, I'd suggest a hand rolled hem. Most of the time, the standard hemming techniques work with linen. Linen is one of those yummy fabrics that just does what you ask it to. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "angelalazear" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen >Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 > >When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend >has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" >offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. > >Thanks in advance, > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >Theatrical Costume Design >"Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram >W. Shakespeare > >http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 14:35:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JZ1H5010160 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:35:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05JYrRb004718; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:34:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05JXblZ044949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JTWDT037566; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JTLd2037366 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EuanN-000Ki4-99 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:29:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:28:04 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:34:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD74DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Oooooooo! That takes me back. My mother taught needlework in South London schools, and I can remember going into McCulloch and Wallis with her to order supplies, from an early age. Aladdin's cave! Jean Suzi Clarke wrote > >Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know >that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and >ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has >problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. > >www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > >Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 15:33:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KXaEN011094 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:33:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KXRVN014021; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:33:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KU50w056189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KU1OF092914; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:30:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k05KTrOh092716 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52841 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2006 20:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.32.254 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2006 20:29:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:29:32 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola In-Reply-To: <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:33:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD8297.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >cording, but am not quite sure. > >I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>1544 >>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >> >> >>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might have been "stamped" with a die? You can see mine here if you want. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 15:47:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KlNpY011357 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:47:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05KlFQQ026487; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KfOfc058115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KfDor003755; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Kf9Nh003663 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so2507736nzd for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O8/4PuMqoIa02nBgTqWyhkE4RhfHqcuHYTRJ0tH/+YO772bPE+/OL+E8IqvvIh5+Uk2tdqVvTVXid61xLnPbbSy0B6wDyV0lVW8ihLwQUiL1LDhtuHvgkxlHWGxTQwloDhytXfczfqodPY0GRLPlyaJrXQDlgNbeYfC0h1ooyac= Received: by 10.64.208.18 with SMTP id f18mr1581356qbg; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.43.16 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660601051241n43b9884ay774a19591842f3dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:41:08 -0600 From: Marie Stewart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen In-Reply-To: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <008301c6122c$dda273b0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k05Kf9Nh003663 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:47:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD85D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! There are several things that pop to mind. Most of it depends on the weight of the fabric. In general open work hems for heavy to medium weight and rolled hems for lightweights. If you have a delicate hand an open work hem on a lightweight linen can be lovely. Do be warned though it's very delicate an can be snagged. Openwork hems can be made in one pass to create little open triangles, one additional row can create a serpentine effect or open squares depending on whether you offset it or not. More rows can create further detail. For example a secondary row of squares (made by two extra rows of hem stitch gathering) can be filled in with a ribbon or other decorations. Good Luck. Mari On 1/5/06, angelalazear wrote: > When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A friend > has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of any 'tricks" > offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. > > Thanks in advance, > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LQ2XE012304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LPrB2026808; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05LLKSM066285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LLE5e039861; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LL7AE039779 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:21:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:21:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net><9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:21:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 21:21:07.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0F45FD0:01C6123D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:25:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD8EE1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From the portrait, I think these raised circular areas are thread bound rings, such the technique used for thread covered buttons. It might just be that kind of decorative embroidry for that time. If it's embroidry, it looks like the satin stitch in aa heavy thread or metalic yarn. It might be bobbin pace wrapped around the rings. I've never seen that before but the gown designers often tried different things to make something that no one had before. I found this site that talks about raised Elizabethan embroidery: http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/oak/15/eliz.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola > At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >>I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >>and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >>cording, but am not quite sure. >> >>I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>>1544 >>>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >>> >>> >>>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so > ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very > lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but > it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might > have been "stamped" with a die? > > You can see mine here if you want. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:32:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LW7dS012422 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LVxZZ031696; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05LVYB0068146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LVSak049050; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LVNe8048879 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-3-40.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.3.40]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2006 05:31:17 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:38:25 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD904F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Regards, A. Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 16:56:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LuqCI012802 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:56:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05LuhEg019154; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:56:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05Ltwvc072534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05LttTE069966; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Ltq17069830 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:55:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:55:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:55:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net><9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060105201609.01da2a10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:55:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 21:55:46.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[C88B1F20:01C61242] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:56:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD961B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you look closely at the pattern of the threads over the circular shape, it does follow a specific pattern. 2 of fabric color then 1 light one. This looks to me as if it is natural brown linen with silver threads on the circular work. The linen may not have any treatment for a shine but used for texture. The petal shapes in the center seen to use 2 stitches for each petal. I see one that has 2 but that one may be painted wrong. I've seen beads that look like that. SO I concluse this is the embossed embroidery with beadwork on natural linen. I think I could create this same texture with these suggestions. The best way to judege it is to try to recreate it using materials of that period. I know you will not find that in modern textiles. This is just my opinion. I have a degree in fabrics and ancient textiles. I was taught to look at the details, research ideas and draw conclusion without being able to test the original fabric. I studied Peruvian mummy fabrics, Egyptian linen and Japanese stitching through history of fabrics. It was a pretty well focused curriculum. I learned lots by just looking at photographs or portraits. I love the details in fabrics, building and nature. I'm a detail person all the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola > At 19:33 05/01/2006, you wrote: >>I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet >>and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied >>cording, but am not quite sure. >> >>I've been asked to help with this costume. >>>>1544 >>>>http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >>>>I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >>>>couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >>>>I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >>>>appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >>>>understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >>>>of what/ how it's made? thanks! >>> >>> >>>The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a >>>heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small >>>for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > I found a fabric with a raised pattern for "Anne Boleyn" a year or so > ago. It is red/gold brocade and has a raised pattern all over. It is very > lovely and very expensive. It would not do for copying the portrait, but > it is an example of a raised pattern being made today. The original might > have been "stamped" with a die? > > You can see mine here if you want. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Cropped-Boleyn.jpg > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 17:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05M285N012862 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:02:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05M1xaU023649; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:02:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05M1RqQ073777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05M1L7A074802; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05M1GpT074570 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6838982 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:01:08 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c61243$9828d740$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:01:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:02:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD9757.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I purchased some of the Celtic Cross from them. I used this on my daughters gown. I find it a bit to light weight for myself. If you would like a swatch of it lmk email me directly Lori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 17:13:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05MDJrj013042 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:13:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05MDBoO032018; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:13:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05MCTlg075932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05MCNTM084893; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05MCCN9084714 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 6839282 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:12:04 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c61245$1f6146b0$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:12:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:13:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BD99F7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.verymerryseamstress.com/court.htm above is a link showing several gown using that fabric. You will have to search through all of the pictures. She might be using of of the same in this one as well http://www.verymerryseamstress.com/maryt31.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 5 18:38:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05Ncj5J014978 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:38:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05NcZaU023681; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05NaWhh092830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05NaUfl056630; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05NaOI7056398 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:36:18 -0800 Message-ID: <43BDAD77.6090808@msn.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:36:23 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , Suzi Clarke References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2006 23:36:18.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3E60A70:01C61250] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I have the Interview with Vampire movie and can help....was movie source.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:38:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BDADFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Suzi, if you can't readily come up with a copy, I have the movie and can capture shots of the gown for you and send them to you. Saragrace Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the > Vampire" and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is > the gold ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she > dances with Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? > (Tracie Arnold does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, > but I'd rather not!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 01:51:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k066pTID024160 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:51:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k066pK7Q004522; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k066oruO045581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k066omJX026645; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k066ojxd026621 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A050172DF for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0ISN00712SC9GQ@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:50:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:16:13 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43BDB6CD.6050702@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:51:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE1368.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I personally use a narrow-hem presser foot if the linen is light enough (pick a scrap and test it). I got my NH presser foot from one of those sew-n-vac places for a few dollars; most places that carry presser feet have them for not very much more (the Viking dealer here carries them at $15 or so, as I recall). Roger Kelly Grant wrote: > If the linen is really fine, I'd suggest a hand rolled hem. Most of > the time, the standard hemming techniques work with linen. Linen is > one of those yummy fabrics that just does what you ask it to. > Kelly > > > > "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, > faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers > in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, > despite your fears" > Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >> From: "angelalazear" >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: >> Subject: [h-cost] handkerchief hem on linen >> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:50 -0800 >> >> When working with linen, does anyone have tricks for hemming it? A >> friend has asked me and I rarely work with linen, so I didn't know of >> any 'tricks" offhand, other than the standard hemming techniques. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> angela >> +++++ >> Angela F. Lazear >> Cabbage Rose Costumes >> Theatrical Costume Design >> "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >> be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >> and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >> be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >> All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram >> W. Shakespeare >> >> http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 06:10:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BAW63013099 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:10:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BANDf007677; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:10:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06B8OqP073775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06B8OJE050081; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06B8K2M050056 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ad.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.173]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7C6262859 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:10:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE501F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it in use. I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the ground embroidery and have started with the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with Eterna Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, and then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole motif has the same flower mirrored 1 time. Its the latest at the bottom: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the grey waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a white watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 06:35:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BZdoM019891 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06BZUZi020469; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06BZ0Zj082027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BYwCO061833; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BYtai061780 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1078.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.84.56]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3A3198AC for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:34:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:34:52 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery References: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060106113450.54D3A3198AC@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:35:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE5602.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is so beautifull! I never thought of making 3d embroidery but it looks so lovely! The hardshaped piece with roses is very nice too. It makes my hand itch to try to make something as nice as your pieces. Your a huge inspiration! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it > in use. > I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that > closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the > ground embroidery and have started with > the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a > calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with > Eterna > Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire > embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, > and > then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. > I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole > motif has > the same flower mirrored 1 time. > Its the latest at the bottom: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the > grey waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a > white watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 07:50:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06CoQbT028686 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06CoHPm027061; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06CnWA6092717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06CnUGC092741; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06CnQQY092700 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Eur240DO4-0003bd; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:49:25 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c612bf$a0513d50$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:49:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FAQs Library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE6789.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k06CoQbT028686 Jumping back online for a little while... I am determined to get things organized around my house and in my office before being on the computer very much. My office has gifts all over the floor for our subscribers who won a contest. In the middle of all that, is a sewing machine I bought yesterday... still in the box! Because I am running behind, I am extending the free access to the Library until Monday at 12 am. Many, many thanks to the people who sent me congrads... I will get back to writing you personally. I hope everyone is enjoying the free access to the Library. For those who are familiar with our policies and why we have them, you can skip to near the end of this message for an update on recent purchases of books, etc. for the Library. For those not familiar with our websites, here's the answers to your questions. An explanation about the rules for the Library and why we charge for access: We do not allow people to download our images to their computers because of the vast amount of time spent restoring the images...also, all the money spent purchasing the originals. Where we differ from a lot of websites is the amount of time we spend restoring our images. You can take a look at http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html to see the process we use for the restoration. Every image on our site goes through this process. We do not simply scan our images and put them online. Another reason for the limitations is the amount of money to purchase these collections. We can't do all this work and not be paid. I have well over $10,000 dollars in publications in my office waiting to go online. Over the years, I have purchased almost the entire decades of publications like Delineator, Ladies Home Journal, lots of Peterson's yearbooks, etiquette books, hairdressing manuals, photo collections, etc... we have teams of people who type the site's contents, others who clean images, and 2-3 webpage designers. The work everyone does is very detailed and time consuming. Then add on the cost of the webspace... which is a LOT per month because for 9-10,000 webpages and over 35,000 images. It took a long time to find a web host who could support the sheer volume of traffic the sites receive, averaging over 500,000 unique visitors per month, and the large amount of content of the websites. On top of that, this is my full time job... not a hobby. I work every night of the week. Those who know me, know I go to bed at 6 am. LOL! Plus, monthly, the student loan people remind me how much three decades of going to college cost. A question frequently asked.... Why don't you just scan the pages and put them in Acrobat? First off, I really dislike the Acrobat software. We spend all this time on the images and text because we believe that the material should be presented in a manner that is easily to read, laid-out format that is pleasing to the eye, and organized. A lot of 19th Century publications aren't formatted in the reader friendly manner. Sometimes the fashion plates were painted the wrong color or the painter missed all the details. This is so common of the pre-1890 fashion plates. Sometimes the descriptions were even mixed up with another one in the issue. We hand-type instead of using a text reading software, because these programs are not 100% accurate. They may be good for a present day text but not very inaccurate for old text on aged paper. Every little speck on a page is picked up by these programs as a character. This causes more time editing. When we do our final edits we may break a very lengthy paragraph to make it easier to read. Sometimes in ( ) I give a brief explanation of a term. Example: waist (bodice) or waist (waistline) OR girdle (sash or belt) not a 1950s foundation garment. Copying rule.... I do not allow people to make more than one copy of a webpage and then to go to a class/workshop and make copies for their friends. Or broadcast the text across email. Or worse yet, put the work on a website and claim it as their own. The last thing has not happened to me, but I do know other webmasters that this have had this upsetting experience. The only exceptions are for groups that purchase a group subscription, such as a school or organization. We also do not allow people to copy and paste our content. This is mainly because students like to go to sites, like mine, and copy and paste our work into their term papers, then claim it is their own work. The no copy/paste rule cuts down on time talking with their teachers about where their students got the information. That's why you see copyrights all over our sites. We have worked on security for years for the sites. A student can't say they weren't warned. We are always trying to stay one step ahead. Some of our collections are not listed in the books on the Library's frontpage. I am waiting to compile more articles in certain subject areas before adding their book to the front of the Library. A good example is a series called Queens of Society. This project started with a book in my collection. It was written in 1860, but when QoS area is complete, it will also include more women's biographies/articles from other publications. I have a very massive collection to add to this new area. To view the items added to the Library over the past year, go to http://www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm . Make sure at the bottom of that webpage to click on PREVIOUS MONTHLY UPDATES. There are no updates for Dec. 2005. Since it is our slowest period of the year, we use Dec. through Jan. 15 to organize. Two areas you may not have been able to access are the Fashion Color Database (FCD), www.fcdatabase.com and the Costume Encyclopedia. I had a tech problem with the FCD earlier which is now resolved. This week, I am typing a new color article to go into the FCD from an 1861 Peterson's magazine. The Costume Encyclopedia is not open even for subscribers yet. There links on the bottom of the some webpages, but are there but not functioning yet. I have the webpages ready for the Encyclopedia but need to do the input into the database. I placed links on those webpages so that I don't have to go back to the pages and add the URL. At this moment the Encyclopedia consists of costumes from three books. You can get previews of some of the Encyclopedia webpages from the Library Updates webpage. Some of the costumes in the Encyclopedia are based on historical figures, some from plays, books, holiday celebrations, fantasy, etc. It is very extensive and a huge organizational project! Look for it to open in 2006. The FCD, Encyclopedia, and Library all work together. So you may see links or logos back and forth to one another. The databases have certain fields listed and links to the direct articles/fashion plates where the costumes or colors are mentioned. Subscribers have access to Library and FDC presently and eventually the Encyclopedia. To do a Search or View All of the contents of the FCD you will need to use these passwords: budnan5 You do not need the login: cg2003, for this section. Below is a listing of some of the publications that I purchased in over the past couple of months. These items will go on the Library's website one day. ***1897 book of illustrations by Charles Dana Gibson with his Gibson Girls. ***1897 book of a year's worth of issues of a German fashion magazine, Der Bazar. ***1860 & 1861 Peterson's Magazine (entire years of magazines) ***Large collection of original costume renderings for French plays from 1890-1909 ***Another large collection of L'Art La Mode French fashion magazines from 1907-1919. These magazines cover all the top fashion designers. ***A History of Men's Hairstyles book ***Three 1892 Young Ladies Journal Magazine... one issue contains embroidery patterns and dozens of fashion plates. ***1913 biography of Rose Bertin. She is considered the first fashion designer. She designed for Marie Antoinette and the French court. I plan to have the entire book online in the Library one day. ***1847, 1860, & 1906 Fashion History books with lots of fashion plates to add to the Costume Encyclopedia. ***1900 Men and Children's Advertising book. This is a book of blanks ads for a retailer to add his business name to. It is a really interesting book from the business side of the industry. ***1918 Pictorial Review Pattern Catalog. Lots of color plates in this one! ***1920 Milady Beautiful magazine... hair and makeup. ***1922 Fashion Theory book, "Color and Design in Dress." This one is different from the one already on the website. ***Fashion Production Terms, Sewing, and Design book. ***1854 & 1914 Etiquette book for Ladies. ***1910 Ladies' Home Journal ***1950s Simplicity catalog will not be in the Library, but fashion color description with be used in the Color Database. ***1856 Frank Leslies fashion magazine ***1926 French civilians costume history book with 300 illustrations ***1812 book with 50 large color costume illustrations of occupations of the people of Britain... I can't wait to get started on this one... everything from the chimney sweep to the military with complete job descriptions. ***Fashion and Famine... won today. ***Another Butterick pattern catalog for fancy dress and masquerade. These are going in the Encyclopedia too. ***1980s "Dress, Journal of Costume Society of America" with an article about Queen Victoria's Masquerade Balls. YIPPEE! I am doing a series in the Library about her Balls from the Illustrated London News. The article gives me a good perspective as to why she gave the Balls. ***1916 book of children's plays including costume illustrations and descriptions. ***Collection of Needlecraft magazines from 1920-1930. Thanks again to all for making it 10 fun years. Well it is 7:49 am... I am an 1 1/2 hours past for bed. The gifts didn't make it into their shipping boxes and the sewing machine is still in its box. They will be tonight's project....along with my Christmas cards that have turned into New Year's cards. LOL! One year they were Mardi Gras cards! Everyone had a good laugh! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 10:34:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06FXsC4031456 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:33:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06FXjRk015569; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06FWg1c010378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06FWanZ086210; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06FWV4c086069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06FWPbG068982 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <23875.65.117.156.5.1136561545.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE8DD9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OMG ... that is just beyond words. Your talent never ceases to amaze me Bjarne. Chiara On Fri, January 6, 2006 5:08 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi, > As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it > in use. > I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap > that > closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished > the ground > embroidery and have started with > the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves > and a > calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with > Eterna > Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire > embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 > greens, and > then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with > silk. > I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole > motif has > the same flower mirrored 1 time. > Its the latest at the bottom: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm > Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the > grey > waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a > white > watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 11:09:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06G9a07032132 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:09:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06G9Rh7012324; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:09:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06G8vjj015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06G8rgE017188; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06G8lTd017029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k06G8gL70138 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:08:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 06 Jan 2006 10:08:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:08:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:08:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:09:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BE9637.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. Kathy ===================== OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). Any color pics would be great, references for colors will be fantastic. Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in scale would also be very much appreciated. How about pics of the reverse side as well? And best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? Close-ups of the construction seams and how they are stitched would also be good. Enjoy the 'high' and thanks for being willing to share :). 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Suzi, Try this site www.costumersguide.com Click on the Research link and Interview with a Vampire is one of the movies listed. There are sevral shots of the blue and the green gowns. Enjoy! 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Suzi, Try this site www.costumersguide.com Click on the Research link and Interview with a Vampire is one of the movies listed. There are sevral shots of the blue and the green gowns. Enjoy! Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 12:23:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06HNfYj001068 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:23:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06HNW4H007433; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06HMsDR031852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06HMpF7084843; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06HMkmG084708 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59316 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 17:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 17:22:40 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060106172109.01d4f738@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:22:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or missing messages In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:23:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEA794.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 16:08 06/01/2006, you wrote: >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century >Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to >delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down >from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, >life jumped up and got in the way... > >So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and >wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to >my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am >fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. > >Kathy >===================== > >OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). > >Any color pics would be great, references for colors will be fantastic. > Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in scale would also be >very much appreciated. How about pics of the reverse side as well? And >best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? Close-ups of the >construction seams and how they are stitched would also be good. > >Enjoy the 'high' and thanks for being willing to share :). Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't get Kathy's original on this topic, and would have like to read it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 13:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06ITJov002145 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06ITAEW030222; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06ISDKk042975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06IS8Zi048684; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06IS15W048439 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006010613270724894 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:27:07 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id k06IQjMA016133 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEB6F6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas for painting to retain the velour feel? Any help would be appreciated! Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 13:43:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Ih5Gv002363 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Igv7J011717; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06Ig5cv045036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06Ifw5T062317; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06IfkQu062213 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.129.248.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.129.248] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EuwX2-00034x-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: <43BEB9C7.8080809@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:41:11 -0800 From: Red Bear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts References: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <43B17A4D.8050702@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! 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I got a lovely piece of wide lace, some chiffon with a woven spot pattern, and very nice roll of gold and white trim. My wife is thinking partlet on her new Italian, I am thinking very fancy ruff for ME. Stephen - Who is never moving during the Holidays AGAIN! Lavolta Press wrote: > Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what > costume-related gifts everyone got? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 14:04:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06J4OB9002711 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:04:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06J4FDV001330; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:04:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06J3Ofw048040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06J3JrL082469; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06J3FPw082350 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:03:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 19:03:11.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E7B4A0:01C612F3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEBF2F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If grad school we used a algae based pigment to make paints to paint on canvas and any other fabric. The mix was mixed up to look like pearly soap then the pigment was added. The color was heat set and permenant when completely dry. Completely laundry friendly once heat set. Check your local fabric store. I know that Walmart has a wide variety of long furry materials, and by the yard at regular width. I saw various colors and definetely "cat" colors and patterns. If you don't find the exact pattern or need slight variations on one pattern, the fur can be painted with acrylic paint, but it will need to be very watered down. Blow dry to make it really permenant. I learned that when my daughter painted on some of her stuffed animals. I don't know if dye will work but I guess that would be according to the fiber content. Attaching it to lycra or stretchable fabrics is usually done with fabric glue in a bottle. In certain areas that have more stretch, you might want to place velcro dots and attach fur after the person has the costume on. Otherwise the lycra will get small and the fur stay large. Most of the fur fabrics do not stretch more thatn a tiny bit. How it affects the stretch is determined by where it is on the dancer/performer. Note of fur: BEFORE you dut the fur, seal the edges with FrawCheck. (or super glue). Be prepared with a hand vac or lint brush. That furry hairy stuff makes quite a mess when cut. It'll get on your face and make you sneeze. Loose little bits can be picked up with the sticky side of duct tape, too. I do just about all of this to keep the flying fur (sorry about that) to a minimum. Remove all fur before drying. DO NOT PUT FAUZ FUR in a dryer. It melts the fur into little stiff puffs. Brushing it out does not remove the damage or return it to the orginial condition. I now air dry all fauz fabrics and puff with low heat dryer. I use a dog brush to brush the fur into shape. I make toys and dolls. This is one of the things I learned when I just threw the toy into my dryer.... then I wondered why it looked so funny. I realized that I melted the fur. Leo the Lion still doesn't look right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur > I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. > > - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) > I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric > paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little > tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered > down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need > to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Kate > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 15:49:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06KnMQl004625 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06KnEVN030315; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06KmcNt062395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KmWiN071723; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KmOaF071591 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.56.15 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:48:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.56.15] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:48:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:48:25 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 20:48:22.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[8899A1F0:01C61302] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BED7CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k06KnMQl004625 I like Jacquard products http://www.jacquardproducts.com/ , although I've never tried to use them with fur. Their Neopaque line has great coverage and the Luminere line is good for glitzy effects. I think all of them become permanent with heat-setting. 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Could it be stump work? De -----Original Message----- I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied cording, but am not quite sure. Thanks! Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LKAOg005023 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LK1RO012654; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:20:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LJohk066166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LJaD1097462; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05KDX2G078053 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-int.prodigy.net [207.115.5.207]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k05KDWKI002092 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:32 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.48.151] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-48-151.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.48.151]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.4 dk-milter linux/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k05KDIKh022153 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060103115729.0395ea98@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:12:49 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photo-decorated dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:20:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEDF01.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have now seen two photographs of dresses from, I'd say, the early- to mid- 1890s, each decorated with photographs. The first photo I saw was published in _American Album_ (SBN-01892-3-395), a paperback 1968 compilation of photographs by American Heritage. This photo is at the bottom of page 9, and the wearer is standing next to a camera on a tripod which bears a sign saying "Felfer the Artist". The owner of the second photo asked a friend of mine, both of whom wonder why the wearer did it, and my friend asked me to post here about it. My guess is that both dresses have to do with the wearer being a photographer's assistant. My friend guesses that their photo might be of a girl in a graduation dress, as the subject looks to be about the age of a high-school senior. Any other opinions? 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Try looking at some of the other dresses in the shots. I found some that were called ball-gowns for that period. Just different colors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" ; "Suzi Clarke" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] I have the Interview with Vampire movie and can help....was movie source.. > Suzi, if you can't readily come up with a copy, I have the movie and can > capture shots of the gown for you and send them to you. > > Saragrace > > Suzi Clarke wrote: > >> >> I have been asked to quote for a gown from "Interview with the Vampire" >> and cannot find anything other than a very poor shot. It is the gold >> ballgown that "Claudia" wears at the dance/ball where she dances with >> Brad Pitt. Can anyone point me to a picture source please? (Tracie Arnold >> does not have it.) I may have to go and buy the movie, but I'd rather >> not!! >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:21:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LLVMY005059 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:21:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LLLPf000530; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:21:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LKm6J066317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LKhY1098156; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05Niikr065241 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so2529011wra for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:44:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oi6sZiPmGedPfidT0NkmLNiGxY3G0fus0qsIkrXgoaGgVVFx8jYUQ7pJIfw/VJdkDFVRxLN/T+UdfmQe4ocnNSz/nn5UnNYDsdYOVY9508nZEEo5e2nFit9P+SVFwQD3O3TMxnECTURk6RrWudtixt4Q+HCRYyFl0in6VnbfNiE= Received: by 10.64.148.14 with SMTP id v14mr1677863qbd; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:44:43 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k05Niikr065241 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Japan Vakation question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEDF51.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html This sounds quite interesting. I have the fashion book of the institute. Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? Is it hard to get permission? The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, Gothic Lolita clothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpcQq005597 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpRtS020178; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LnOP5070231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LnI0v022735; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06CmNdI092222 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 2236 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2006 12:48:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PDbs7Q/kR5T7vi+J/HDOlW62oXK/tTLakPJtJq4GCgrOaqXSOdjmOolMIctPsJVOXJsagLqTCWHsfBiOA958VQHIPwQXoDaQv1/v1W2VlWISiSsNyCBILMas9oFOhsSROw40LLs6wUL+x+npX0qy3jN/JsUjf0gd3vSRdWwaC8Q= ; Message-ID: <20060106124817.2234.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:48:17 EST Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE660.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. Although I don't have pics of everything I am viewing that day, these are what I can find: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extcam1.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Drawers.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ItalianDrawersQEWUMed.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/08/eustn/hod_1973.114.4a%2Cb.htm These items have been variously pictured in books like Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, History of Underclothes, and two of the items will be in the upcoming posthumous Arnold Shirts book - however if my guess is right, they won't deal with actual colours of the embroidery, but most likely will have brilliant drawings of it. So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. I have all kinds of supplies and equipment allowed to me as long as it is non-destructive, which means as long as I don't use a flash, cameras are allowed. I will be bringing along with me a linen tester, magnifying glass, a DMC floss chart for the polychrome embroideries, measuring equipment, drawing supplies, cotton gloves and of course my camera. Adele and I will be measuring everything initially in mm but will translate that to imperial while processing our data so that it is universally readable. Anyone else out there have burning questions you'd like answered about these garments? Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Lphwa005602 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpYjK032252; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LnPgl070242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LnKSN022786; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06Ck0aS091195 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:45:54 -0800 Message-ID: <43BE6688.40509@msn.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 05:46:00 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers References: <20051230191703.76617.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> <003001c60d8d$2e0335f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.0.16.2.20051230142051.022e27b0@surewest.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104144013.01d48bc8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 12:45:54.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[22203F30:01C612BF] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE666.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I may not order much from it as I am across the pond, but it sure looks nice...I can window shop! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:51:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Lpcuk005596 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LpSvK022715; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LoaoJ070407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LoWTT023785; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06KJGau046200 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06KJCCZ007871 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:08:09 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE660.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny: Thanks for sharing all your thoughts about how and why you do so much to your materials. I know what you mean about pages in Acrobat -- they can be a real bear to read, and personally I never touch anything on a website that has to be read in Acrobat, if I can possibly help it. But I do have a question about the work you do to the images, one that I thought others on the list might be interested in also. I wouldn't call what you do "restoring" the images, but "retouching" or even "redoing" the images. The example your web site shows, for instance, explains quite clearly that the *originals* were poorly colored. So changing the color is not restoring, it's redoing. Redoing is a fine goal, but it's a completely different goal. I wondered why you chose to do this in what is in many ways a scholorly venue, where many users (I would think) would be interested in seeing the originals. Or are most of your users not particularly interested in that? I don't mean any criticism of your amazing accomplishment! I am just curious. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 16:54:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Ls47w005632 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LruBN022217; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06LqcgM070717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LqZQk025501; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06LqVlU025342 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1078.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.84.56]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB63BE7B4 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:52:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:52:29 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Japan Vakation question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060106215226.3DB63BE7B4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEE6F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have tried but I don't get any results Cin wrote: >I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the >h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno >Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com >Subject: [h-cost] Japan Vakation question >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <20060103144451.B0C08319209@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, > >Does anyone kow more about interesting sites to visit in Japan? >We would like to go somewhere in april/mei. > >I know you can make an appointment to see part of the digitial >collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute. >http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/coll-e.html >This sounds quite interesting. >I have the fashion book of the institute. >Has anyone has any experience with their digital collection? >Is it hard to get permission? > >The Japanese costume Museum sounds interesting too. > >Things I am most interested in are Historical costumes, Fabric stores, >Gothic Lolita clothing. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:19:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MJUGC006071 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:19:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MJMvx008499; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MHd4W074024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MHYil046645; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k06MHUVP046499 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 13673 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2006 22:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2006 22:17:24 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c6130f$407c1a30$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEECEA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Dharma (www.dharmatrading.com) has some really nice fabric paints that I have successfully used on some nylon lycra content fabrics. Nothing quite so stretchy as what you're undertaking, but they (the paints) were very washable and were all water-soluble) I was creating a jumpsuit for the Pharoah in "Joseph...Dreamcoat" and utilized stamps to press on my designs in the paint. You might be able to stamp on your animal print. The stamp remains on the surface, giving good color, yet leaving the fabric stretchy underneath since not completely saturated through. > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? Fur outlets on the net: http://www.fauxpawfurs.com/; http://www.furoutlet.com/ > > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? I usually cut the fur from underneath to avoid the "shedding" problem. It can be sewn that way as well. However, given the show and the kind of fur you will want, I would consider utilizing the new chenille yarns that are available. I recently used them on a dance costume to create a shattered look, and they would probably read as fur if you used the right quantity. The yarn would be easily attached, either by hand or with zig zag stitching. If I were doing the project, I would probably attach the yarn to a loose sweater knit and create my own version of long haired fur. Perhaps even a combo of both, with the yarn providing some length sewn into the fur patches would work. The fur I have found available is all somewhat stiff and does not lend itself to being sewn onto a dance leotard without limiting some of the flexibility a leotard is intended to provide. > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > Again, I had success with stamping. You might even use a large piece of sponge to apply the paint to the surface of the fabric. Best of luck angela +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:27:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MRrtd006239 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:27:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MRiVU014999; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MR7qC075618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MR4S5054645; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06JTswm005272 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.250]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060106192947.FESP8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:29:47 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060106131858.02a66490@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:29:43 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> References: <200601061900.k06J0Dk2079596@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEEEE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century >Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to >delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down >from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, >life jumped up and got in the way... > >So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and >wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to >my own. This is also my first time doing something like this, so I am >fairly sure I haven't thought of everything. > >Kathy Textiles (weaves, weights, threads and fibers) are what I'd really like to know as well. Mazzaoui documents cotton being used in undergarments by this time, so linen cannot be assumed. Drewl, drewl.... Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:28:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MSBl8006247 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:28:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MS3un032627; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:28:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MQqjS075537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MQmqT054344; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06BqMXI069003 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:52:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:52:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001201c612b1$8fe3a510$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:52:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2006 11:52:18.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[A558C050:01C612B7] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEEEF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Wow! I'm speachless! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] dimentional embroidery >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:08:45 +0100 > >Hi, >As you know i got a lightbox for christmas, and i emediately took it in >use. >I drafted a pattern for a ladys bag with gussets and a small flap that >closes with a button. I make it in silk taffeta. I have finished the >ground embroidery and have started with >the dimentional embroidery. I made 5 flower leaves, 2 green leaves and a >calyx and flowerbud in dimentional embroidery. Its embroidered with Eterna >Stranded Silk Floss. I only used 1 strand folded, so for the entire >embroidery you only need to use 5 skeins, of thread. 3 reds, 2 greens, and >then a little yellow. So it is quite inexpensive to embroider with silk. >I need to make the next dimentional embroidery, because the whole motif has >the same flower mirrored 1 time. >Its the latest at the bottom: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries.htm >Yesterday i tryed if i could trace the pattern i want to make on the grey >waistcoat trough my lightbox, and i could! Happy danse, using a white >watercolour pencil. This will save me a lot of work. > >Bjarne > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 17:58:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MwdCX006704 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:58:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06MwVcs004165; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:58:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MtR9R080434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MtKpS077970; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MtEo1077813 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E04334FA1 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:55:14 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:55:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF617.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How odd, this post was sent two - three days ago way before another person had said anything about the possibility of it being stumpwork and now it shows up. Anyway, I have seen something like this partlet but for the life of me I can't seem to remember where or what kind of technique it is. I have a feeling that I have seen the technique done by a long past relative but not sure. De -----Original Message----- Could it be stump work? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 18:00:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06N048n006726 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:00:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06Mxtev007837; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06MxYod081031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MxUD6081318; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06MxOhF081207 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B64334F60 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:59:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or missing messages Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:59:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060106172109.01d4f738@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:59:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF66C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I think the system is hiccupping. I just got one of my posts that I had sent days ago. De -----Original Message----- Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't get Kathy's original on this topic, and would have like to read it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 18:13:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06NDMSP006893 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:13:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06NDElu014298; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k06NCQGE082995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06NCO4c091958; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k06NCJT8091778 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060106231213.RFRC4186.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:13 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060106231213.YKVF18564.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:13 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.15/223]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:12:14 +1300 Message-ID: <005001c61316$a19850c0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:12:14 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:13:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BEF98A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > How odd, this post was sent two - three days ago way before another person > had said anything about the possibility of it being stumpwork and now it > shows up. > Anyway, I have seen something like this partlet but for the life of me I > can't seem to remember where or what kind of technique it is. I have a > feeling that I have seen the technique done by a long past relative but not > sure. There is a pair of sleeves cut from late 17thC fabric that is decorated and has a very similar texture. A close up is seen in Historical Fashion in Detail.. or Historic Fashion in Detail.. I can never remember. Also the sleeves are seen in a catalogue from the Ehizabeth I exhibition at the National Maritime Museum (UK.) Fat cord is covered in the came colour silk as the ground and sewn down with stitches in the same silk. The stitches seem to rest in the grooves of the cording underneath so you get the same texture as the cording. There are bugle beads sewn down and tufts all worked with the same silk as well. I think this is going tobe the closest technique for the partlet. In regards to the recent bugginess. I have requently in the last few months had posts arrive out of order. Not just on this list either. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 6/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 6 20:51:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k071pilC008889 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:51:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k071pZZJ016386; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k071ow9I003171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k071otS6002376; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k071opPw002258 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MLaventure@aol.com) Received: from MLaventure@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.8b.35a99401 (58435) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:50:44 -0500 (EST) From: MLaventure@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.35a99401.30f07874@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:50:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:(h-cost) hatmaking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:51:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF1EA7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dawn, What kind of hatmaking are you interested in? Do you want to do buckram, felt or straw? Are you looking at flat pattern construction in buckram or pulling on blocks? I have been a professional milliner for 16 years working for Disney and for 10 years at The Pageant of the Masters in Laguna Beach. >From the Neck Up, as others have mentioned, is considered the best reference, but there are other choices based on your area of interest. Millinery requires patience and practice. Lots of both. If I can answer any specific questions, please let me know. Mary LaVenture _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 05:09:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07A9jLw005932 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:09:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07A9S1F013007; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07A6sKk070376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JYGHj041399; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net ([216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05JY59i041143 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05JXse06863 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:33:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> References: <43BB1378.50405@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B02D6F2-87C9-41CD-8C07-0FE871D25B60@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:33:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:09:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF9358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I still haven't been able to figure how that texture on the partlet and head dress is made. I'm thinking it's some kind of applied cording, but am not quite sure. Thanks! Althea On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Dawn wrote: > Althea Turner wrote: > >> Hello, >> I've been asked to help with this costume. >> 1544 >> http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html >> I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a >> couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. >> I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon >> appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really >> understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea >> of what/ how it's made? thanks! > > > The "wrap" looks like a partlet (I can see a collar) made from a > heavily textured fabric, with fringe. It may be a size too small > for the wearer, or maybe it's just painted badly. > > Not sure what's going on with the headdress in the same fabric. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 05:28:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07ASYE5011039 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07ASQgC021310; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07AS9Ws072254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07AS5rd036761; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07AS2wp036739 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 03:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvBIm29A8-0006QS; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BF97CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Gail, I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the software many chances... still don't like it. A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word restoration. Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! 1. A restoring or being restored. 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or condition. 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which child do I love more? When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of those images! You have to take lots of breaks! When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of the light to preserve it. If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the demand was low. The painter could take their time. Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use on images. That leads me to technology.... Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century hand-painted. LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those things I have mastered! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 08:43:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07DhJ86018433 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07DhAi4015846; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07DgbOV087839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07DgWIe014903; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07DgTTa014869 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:42:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:42:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:42:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 13:42:28.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[337EBC80:01C61390] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFC56E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have used them in the past, for Renn stuff and 18thCstuff. I like how the fabric drapes, very rich. Not sure I'd want to use this fabric if I were wearing the garment outside, say in Pennsic heat, or warmer. But for indoor events, and where I live, it worked out well. There's a photo of one of the dresses on my projects page http://www.goldenoakinn.com/projects_estela.htm scroll down to the bottom, it's Gavlinne's crown tournement dress. The 18thC dress fabric came from another supplier, long before EBay. It was covered in chrysanthemums, yummy, and made a really nice sacque. Kelly/estela ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had > used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what > are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you > think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets > you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking > about some of these fabrics. > Regards, A. Garden > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 10:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07FKGY8020722 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:20:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07FK5Dk032397; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:20:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07FJNxF012515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07FJLDr054910; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07FJINJ054826 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.24d.4d10468 (15974) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r28 (mblk-r28.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.18]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e6643bfdbe52de; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E1B4D2ABE78A-C4C-2C53@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Received: from 65.10.249.52 by mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.18) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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Garden writes I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Hi, I just recently bought some brocade from this store for an elizabethan gown. The fabric is beautiful. The colors are vibrant and the pattern is great. I haven't finished the dress yet, so I don't have pictures, but as long as you know that the fabric isn't period correct I would go for it. Tania M. Pembroke -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:38:25 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? I've often looked at the fabrics at http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking about some of these fabrics. Regards, A. Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:05:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07G5kZG022040 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:05:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07G5bDT025049; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07G58d3016664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07G55O2076379; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07G52bO076307 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 25674 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2006 16:04:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gvke9T+dzkrSbZkWeVX7epcB9opM3q9mpU3WhZ5SLU4N7go+o8yKnHowkwiPDr7UlHColSAzjPf7WfSX0vE7uEOXuOczwcaXbBoNBXZCcNV7bJcMJ6/HJt+J/Y+xAQbzPREP1mI9m3GgQS7WgH1/OGw0xNQzOrIBd1zNmRxBOdA= ; Message-ID: <20060107160457.25672.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:04:57 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFE6D1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That's an interesting process. Since I haven't been to your site, these not being my era's of interest, I'll make a suggestion that you may have already done. To help explain your process, show a sample of one of these images in the before and after states. I would think the appreciation factor would go up if it was understood a little more of why you working these images as you are. just a thought alex Penny Ladnier wrote: Hi Gail, I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the software many chances... still don't like it. A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word restoration. Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! 1. A restoring or being restored. 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or condition. 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which child do I love more? When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of those images! You have to take lots of breaks! When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of the light to preserve it. If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the demand was low. The painter could take their time. Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use on images. That leads me to technology.... Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century hand-painted. LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those things I have mastered! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:26:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GQEsD022488 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:26:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GQ6BT003416; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07GPVej018810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GPSpa088582; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f35.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GPPB9088525 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:25:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.138.123.124] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601062118.k06LIEID096368@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 16:25:25.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E576D0:01C613A6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: MacCulloch and Wallis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFEB9E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you so much for posting that, Suzi - I find the staff in the shop very intimidating, so it will be great to order via the safe distance of the internet! Kate >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:42:22 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060104223933.01d95220@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to >know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online >catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If >anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on >the information. > >www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > >Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 11:31:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GVING022934 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07GV9x3006411; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07GUf1B019261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07GUeGV091638; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52115.mail.yahoo.com (web52115.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07GUcTQ091554 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 66128 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2006 16:30:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Enb2VZF6cXwjihinlV3OppevUWIKKXjiYo8hs7ABxiC/mN8HMF8W9pHXEkLV5m63aC/WUeI8jHSG7T/8KJyesZXZ80jV7c+C3A52gcbDEMh4iZy1Gw2xqgOJyMSkWbnNexd0Ej3WKwqsfO5nntBAu4Jp1gcq7vZ8K6T49UjvGaA= ; Message-ID: <20060107163033.66126.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:30:33 EST Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601061900.k06J0Dk1079596@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43BFECCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm still in shock they are letting me do this, to be honest. :-) I'm waiting for the "HA! We got ya!" when I arrive for my appointment. ;-) > OHMYGOD! I am green with envy :). I can take colour pics, but I can't publish them without permission. I can draw to my hearts' content based on my photos, however. I might just set up a photo gallery for like a week or something and say go nuts, I'm taking it down in 7 days... but you never heard me say that. ;-) That was my big sticking point with the photos they have on file- no size reference. I could count the thread of the fabric they were so close up, but with no point of reference, it's useless. I am hoping to get some construction pics and specs as well, I am not sure if they will allow me to move the garments that much though. I really, really hope they do. Ahh, good point, I'll bring my embroidery encyclopedia so I can compare them to something with a proper name, since the world of embroidery and sewing have such inexact or multiple titles for their techniques. I'm trying my best to make this as concrete as possible. I am also going to attempt to "reconstruct" the original wearer so I can better understand *how* these garments were worn. Looking at the underwear, they have significantly different crotch depths. One must have been worn at the hip, the other at the waist. If so, then that alters the length of the leg - did it come to her knee? Above? Below? The sleeves look a bit long just hanging there, just how much was fullness, and how much was arm length? I can't really estimate her girth really since I am dealing with ease in the cuffs, but I might be able to get something out of the stockings with a calf or ankle measurement. My sister-in-law was pre-med and still has ber biomechanics books kicking around. She's going to dig the one up with the human anatomy formulas in it, hopefully I will be able to extract some useful numbers from the clothing and have a better guess at the size of the woman whom used to wear these clothes. Kathy > Any color pics would be great, references for colors > will be fantastic. > Pics of the embroidery w/ something to put it in > scale would also be > very much appreciated. How about pics of the > reverse side as well? And > best estimates on types of embroidery stitches used? > Close-ups of the > construction seams and how they are stitched would > also be good. ******* > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear/late or > missing messages > Is it just me, or are others missing posts. I didn't > get Kathy's > original on this topic, and would have like to read > it. Suzi, As a side note, I am in the middle of scanning the Livrstkammaren Journal right now. I hope to have it done soon. I'll be starting on the translations right after that. This is essentially the original post: I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. I had to delay from my original date of the 5th - I would be just coming down from my high right about now, had I gone when I was supposed to. But, life jumped up and got in the way... This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. Although I don't have pics of everything I am viewing that day, these are what I can find: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extcam1.htm http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/Drawers.JPG http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/ItalianDrawersQEWUMed.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/08/eustn/hod_1973.114.4a%2Cb.htm These items have been variously pictured in books like Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, History of Underclothes, and two of the items will be in the upcoming posthumous Arnold Shirts book - however if my guess is right, they won't deal with actual colours of the embroidery, but most likely will have brilliant drawings of it. So, knowing that we have the time to go into dramatic detail, and wanting to maximise said time, I am trolling for additional questions to my own. I have all kinds of supplies and equipment allowed to me as long as it is non-destructive, which means as long as I don't use a flash, cameras are allowed. I will be bringing along with me a linen tester, magnifying glass, a DMC floss chart for the polychrome embroideries, measuring equipment, drawing supplies, cotton gloves and of course my camera. Adele and I will be measuring everything initially in mm but will translate that to imperial while processing our data so that it is universally readable. Anyone else out there have burning questions you'd like answered about these garments? It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k07HwoO5024811 Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my costumes. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k07HxjY2024836 Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my costumes. Sincerely, Becky Rautine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:19:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJgws025288 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJXCJ004287; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IJ5Sd030555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IJ0sp053564; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07EcM7v036953 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:38:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:38:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 14:38:21.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D0DDA0:01C61398] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:19:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C00635.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source > > Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, > I > would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very > small fee, depending on your library) > > > ******************************************************************* > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > ******************************************************************* > > >> >> >> Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a >> borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You >> have to "Join" the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I >> feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! >> >> Thanks anyway >> >> Suzi >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:19:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJvnd025291 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IJn3f014723; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IIJoN030426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IIIrF052926; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07EVjRB034311 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:31:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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I saw this vender at the Ren Faire this year and the assortment was wonderful. I had a hard time deciding what to buy. I found one that is the right color for me and them had to choose the pattern. It was a hard decision. I wanted them all. I bought the garnet and gold Fleur-de-lis fabric. I showed it to a lady that makes costumes for that period and she said it was a great fabric. It isn't the historically correct fiber but it looks like the rich brocades of the 1560 1580. I plan to use my gabric to make a costume similar to one worn by Elenora de Toledo portraits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & J Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here had > used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, what > are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what did you > think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or doublets > you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am thinking > about some of these fabrics. > Regards, A. Garden > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 13:23:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07INBcx025325 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07IN340006589; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:23:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07IMXJj031057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:22:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07IMUVT056967; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07ILJXx056051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Jxl9T025209 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:59:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:25:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601071325.00521.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:23:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C00707.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Saturday 07 January 2006 12:58 pm, you wrote: > Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold > > I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this > book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if > you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my > costumes. I don't own a copy, but have you tried Interlibrary Loan? It may also be possible that a local college or university might have a copy. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:31:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JVlEJ026791 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:31:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JVc6H018372; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07JVDwi039740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JV61V096772; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JUJtk096331 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0C94025F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb40.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.aeb13 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DwBbKQX84wgIAAAAB,a61c022e3b84116b9fb4c9a08332c08a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k07JUJtk096331 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:31:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0171A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Althea Turner wrote: Hello, I've been asked to help with this costume. 1544 http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of what/ how it's made? thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com Althea, This isn't really an area that I'm very familiar with, so I'm going on what I can see in the portrait. As far as your base fabric goes, wool or silk sounds fine. But as far as the pattern on the fabric goes, I think that you're wrong about velvet ribbon. I agree that the pattern is most likely appliqued, but I don't think it's ribbon - I think that it's cord. Do you have, or can you look at a copy of 'Historical Costume in Detail - the 17th & 18th Centuries' by Avril hart and Susan North? ( Yes, I know the painting is dated 1544 - bear with me :-) ) If you enlarge the portrait ( click on it and go to 100%, any larger and strangely it seems to lose definition ) and look at the edge of the Laura's right sleeve at the shoulder, you can see the profile of the cord above the fabric. I think that I can even make out a twist in the cord, too. Anyway, there are a pair of sleeves, made of green silk, featured in the book, which are decorated/patterned with cord which has been couched on. ( Description on p.28, picture on p.29. There is an even larger picture over pp.10 & 11. ) When ! I first looked at this portrait closely, this form of decoration and these sleeves leapt straight to my mind. As far as the partlet-collar-shawl-thingy goes, my first thought was that it looked like chenille! e.g. http://www.cocochenille.com/2brdichbe.html http://www.home-decorating-co.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=THDC&Product_Code=arabo_toffee_649720&Product_Count=&Category_Code= http://www.minkydelight.com/chwr-110.html http://www.fabric.com/home-decor-fabric-upholstery-fabric-chenille-upholstery-fabric-chenille-fabric-br-diamonds-taupe.aspx Most of these designs are probably too big, but you get the idea. On closer inspection, I have no idea, really, but I think you could probably make a good approximation of the design with this technique: http://www.quiltbus.com/chenilling.htm Or use something like Rya stitch. The headgear is odd, but it certainly looks as if it is the same fabric as the partlet-thingy. Perhaps it is a close-fitting cap or coif, rather than a wrap or headband? Sitting over braids wrapped around the head, which give it that bulgy/padded look? If you made the cap of your base fabric and then added the 'rosettes' to it after you had the shape right...... no, I went back and looked at the picture again, whatever the fabric is, it was woven that way - you can see the partial rosettes on the edge of the partlet and on the front of the headgear, just above Laura's right ear. Well, that's how the original is, but you'll probably have to reproduce the fabric by some kind of embroidery, so my first suggestion is still valid, I guess. Whatever you decide, good luck with your project. Post some pictures when it's done, please? My 2 cents worth. Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JvD9T027532 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Jv4iZ000733; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Juhux043231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JucR3012529; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JuTAu012396 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:56:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.157] (pm5-157.eos.net [205.133.149.157]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07JuP4u012253 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:56:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:45:15 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601071817.k07IHsWD052591@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C01D10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny: Thanks for that long and detailed explanation. It makes perfect sense that, if your user's primary goal is to get an idea of what the clothes and trims looked like, you would fix up the old engravings rather than redraw them. It's just a different emphasis. I know only a little bit about computer retouching, but I think I know enough to understand how much work is involved. Wow, you all work VERY hard. And you certainly have my sympathies for explaining to ebay sellers that entire old books/collections are important to someone, not just the pictures. Many people don't understand that, and so many great old books/magazines/etc. are destroyed because of it. I think what you do is a wonderful, and I hope you and your workers are proud of your accomplishment! Gail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 14:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Jw1TN027559 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:58:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07JvqtV003079; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:57:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07JvOOm043281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07JvOPt013018; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k07JvJhV012865 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71108 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 19:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 19:57:10 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060107195349.01da5b00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:56:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source In-Reply-To: References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:57:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C01D40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:38 07/01/2006, you wrote: >I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the >movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. >http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm >> >>Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, I >>would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very >>small fee, depending on your library) I have bought the movie, so will have the "real thing" to use. Becky Thanks for the fashion plate - it's lovely. However, I have discovered who made some of the dresses for that film, and they are colleagues of mine, or rather, I was at college with them. This means that once I have a decent shot of the dress, I will know which pattern they used, in all probability, so will be fine. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 16:42:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07Lg0nq029953 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:42:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07LfpOg026785; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07LetfP053559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07LejiO069040; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07LedAR068945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:40:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EvLnX-0007O4-Ov; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 Message-ID: <20060107154027.f3je8i1bo7usogkg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:40:27 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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I got a dressmaker's dummy for Christmas (WooHoo!) It's a Uniquely You off of eBay. :-) And she's just my size. :-) I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she squish down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have one that fits, and then lace her into it to *that* place because on her it will tighten far more than it does on me? I even wondered about making a couple of different shells -- say one for the appropriate level of "squished-ness" for an Italian -- because I generally don't wear a corset with those. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:04:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M4WHQ030622 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:04:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M4OJN006761; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:04:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07M3weS055972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M3tOo081727; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M3nYW081655 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:03:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:03:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4ll4c0$570mgh@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060107195349.01da5b00@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 22:03:42.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[38C60B30:01C613D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:04:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C03AE8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That might be a good way to "share" what you find out. I love those dresses especially that gold one. Good luck on your search. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source > At 14:38 07/01/2006, you wrote: >>I found this fashion plate that looks very similar to the one in the >>movie. It may be a starting point for you. 1870 time period. >>http://www.costumegallery.com/LadysFriend/Dresses/Color/cos3.htm >>> >>>Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, >>>I >>>would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very >>>small fee, depending on your library) > > > I have bought the movie, so will have the "real thing" to use. > > Becky > > Thanks for the fashion plate - it's lovely. However, I have discovered who > made some of the dresses for that film, and they are colleagues of mine, > or rather, I was at college with them. This means that once I have a > decent shot of the dress, I will know which pattern they used, in all > probability, so will be fine. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M8TpR030673 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:08:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07M8LPR008909; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07M7fPL056317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M7fNR083890; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07M7RbA083731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07Nju7D031290 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:45:56 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:11:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43BD91D1.3080704@earthlydelights.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601071711.09640.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C03BD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Thursday 05 January 2006 4:38 pm, A & J Garden wrote: > I've often looked at the fabrics at > http://stores.ebay.com/Renaissance-Fabrics and wondered if anyone here > had used them for Renaissance (general term) or Elizabethan garb? If so, > what are your thoughts? I realise they are not natural fibres, but what > did you think of the patterns? Do you have photos of finished gowns or > doublets you might share with me? I've got some garments to make and am > thinking about some of these fabrics. I've used two of their brocades for 16th c costumes, and I like the way they handle (haven't tried to clean them yet, though). You can see a gown I made from one of their brocasdes here: http://slumberland.org/moodle/file.php?file=/5/moddata/forum/36/5855/ren1.jpg -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:10:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MAxLh030702 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:10:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MAoNQ010440; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:10:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07MAI8N056544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MAHCT085366; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MA3Vq085188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07NmWFR031365 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:48:32 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of Fabrics? 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On Saturday 07 January 2006 5:11 pm, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: [snip] > I've used two of their brocades for 16th c costumes, and I like the way > they handle (haven't tried to clean them yet, though). > > You can see a gown I made from one of their brocades here: > > http://slumberland.org/moodle/file.php?file=/5/moddata/forum/36/5855/ren1.j >pg One more thing; you'll need to "log in" to see the picture, but you can do that by hitting the button marked "log in as a guest" and won't need to give any information to do so. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 17:13:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MDvpW030742 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:13:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07MDnqG012043; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k07MD1lg056764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MD1x9086742; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k07MCwjZ086669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EvMIo-0001Qq-ME; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 Message-ID: <20060107161246.01djkholmgzocs08@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Dress Dummy ... 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Hopefully it's fixed now. Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" : > I got a dressmaker's dummy for Christmas (WooHoo!) It's a Uniquely You > off of eBay. :-) And she's just my size. > > :-) > > I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she squish > down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have one that fits, and > then lace her into it to *that* place because on her it will tighten far > more than it does on me? I even wondered about making a couple of > different shells -- say one for the appropriate level of > "squished-ness" for an Italian -- because I generally don't wear a > corset with those. > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 7 23:26:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k084Qc7i004311 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:26:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k084QTqY005246; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k084PtLR091920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k084Pnmr069845; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k084PjGp069809 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 31626 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 20:25:44 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31615, pid: 31618, t: 1.7443s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 20:25:43 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:25:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello-new member In-Reply-To: References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:26:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C09475.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:01 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >If you are going to follow the advice (which I agree with) to use >layers of trim generously, you'll need this site: >http://www.cheeptrims.com/default.asp > >Janet Davis Catching up here. They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 00:32:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k085WrW1005080 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:32:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k085Wid9006378; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:32:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k085Vs53096683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k085VpIT096992; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k085Vjlf096969 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-110-126.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.110.126]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k085RJdw027895 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:27:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20060107233224.00a1a1c0@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:39:20 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0A3FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The Harrisburg near Elizabethtown? If so, there should be a college library in Lancaster that has it - Franklin & Marshall College in the Shadek-Fackenthal Library. According to my map, that's only about 30 miles away. Sheryl N-D At 12:58 PM 1/7/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold > >I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this >book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if >you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my >costumes. >Sincerely, >Becky Rautine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 02:20:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087KQ2T006833 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:20:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087KI88025389; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k087JCo6006087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087J8Zm044460; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087IvRA044381 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bhEn6lSbIvOf7jC/dv2Gps4aaVgmEPV9J9BBhIRIfHmsYASHdiz+wLPV+vEWVCgi; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvUpM-0005yj-CR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:19:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48977b0ca818907a3be2ae89920b5bc1293d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0BD32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Catching up here. > > They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be > able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a > friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state > sales tax and everything is fine. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 02:58:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087wb4l007321 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:58:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k087wSTX007322; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k087t8pY008758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k087t18Y060841; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k087sCL0060551 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 21732 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2006 23:54:12 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 21721, pid: 21725, t: 1.0020s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1142 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2006 23:54:11 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0C624.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: >>Catching up here. >> >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you >>won't be able to use them (recent personal >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. >> >> >>Joan Jurancich >>joanmj@surewest.net > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > >Melusine My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not fill my order. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 04:30:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k089UieA016690 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:30:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k089UaPt029735; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k089TuJX015200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k089Todc097722; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web42410.mail.yahoo.com (web42410.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k089TmxE097651 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glassesgal@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22787 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2006 09:29:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M7GKbDR7f7IGC2wNH3egN/yx9wRsMlfl+WrzWZLs0nzgvHsMNm/Nw/EPXhcaVaUSLYFVGhzo8IUT2+Bp/uLpE2FqBDoCMt7+IMuwAHocDYQ9ylrzBqsMeb2amy9+7GG34XbkK+dxXAYCtLOTAhjlVOFvzdC7YbM+wQgi6uT0bvA= ; Message-ID: <20060108092943.22785.qmail@web42410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.66] by web42410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:29:43 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 01:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jayne Thomas To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:30:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0DBBC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! Apologies for leaving this a little late, but I have been trying to get back to normal after the holiday period (cleaning, sorting out, etc), but I received by holiday gift last week. I got a beautiful Elizabethan style necklace, which my daughter has also taken a fancy too! Also, a large bag of sew-on pearls, which I haven't decided what to do with yet. Very many thanks to Wendi for these! Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 05:54:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08AsrWC017860 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:54:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Asi5N030809; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AqxEx038288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AqteT030966; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Aqqkg030946 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvYAN1oBc-0006N1; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c61441$aef4b3e0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:52:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0EF74.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you Gail. It is truly a labor of love for all of us at the Gallery. We learn so much as we work. I am working on an 1861 article about color usage deals with fashions in paintings. Some eye-opening stuff for the time period. I have a page and a half to type yet. I am surprised how good the eBay dealers are with working with me. Once they see the purpose of the Library, they are very willing to come down on prices and pull their auctions. These dealers in the U.S., England, and France watching out for specific topics for me. Most of these dealers purchase from estate sales. We do have some people who loan their collections to be put in the Library. A member from h-costume has been very gracious to loan some of her collection. In exchange, she receives a free lifetime Library subscription. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 05:55:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Atsjf017894 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:55:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08AtkwV007813; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:55:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08AtUc3038514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AtT6v031859; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08AtR47031837 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5583.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.131]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CACB55EE034 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:55:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:55:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0EFB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise with lots of embroidery, now it is time. In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. Page is here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 06:04:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08B4vON018085 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08B4mIE002143; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08B4L0B039371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08B4IaR035569; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08B41hO035410 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvYLA1DEL-0006PK; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c61443$3d9bc1a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060107160457.25672.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:04:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C0F1D0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Alex, The link I gave, http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html , shows the process of how we clean the images. We have a link on the front page of Library. What time frame are you in? We are adding some costume history books to the Library this year. I already have some of the history book Corsets and Crinoline online. This is not to be confused with the modern day book of the same name. This book was written in the 1860s. The Encyclopedia also touches on other time period. Our biggest problem getting into 18th Century and older is the price of the publication are VERY high. One day maybe we will make enough money to be able to purchase the older items. But for now, I have to depend on the history books, and the 19th & early 20th Century publications. Hopefully this year, we will go into earlier years of the publications to put into the Library. U.S. copyright will not allow us to use publications earlier than 1923. We are going to be stuck with that date for a long time. But France's copyright are for 70 years. I have been collecting French fashion magazines from 1924-1936 to put online. I am wanting to learn French so I can translate them. My husband says that there is a program for learning French. I need to know how to speak, read, and their grammar. I will give that program a try. If I don't get what I want from that, I will take a class at the community college. BTW, I do have a beautiful 1950s Russian pattern catalog. Their copyrights expire very quickly. So that will go online this year. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:27:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DRqSU024476 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:27:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DRimW002436; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DR6ZK053256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DR3SP002302; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DR0Pb002243 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A31D01EC; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:26:53 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c61457$63dd5e00$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:28:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11350.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Re the long fur and washability, any of the types that I have used (in the affordable price range) will matt if they come in contact with heat from either the water or dryer tempts. In my business of more than 20 years, I have had more animal costumes ruined by well meaning customers who washed the costume to save me the trouble! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT painting leotards/velour-cat fur > I'm doing a production of "CATS" and need some advice. > > - Best paint for painting leotards? (nylon/spandex? cotton/spandex?) > I've dyed them solid colors, but only had moderate success with fabric > paint in a tube. I need larger splashes of color than those little > tubes. My inclination is to use Roscoe supersaturated paints (watered > down) 'cause I know they won't wash out...and these will probably need > to be washed at some point. Any better ideas? > > -Ideas for attaching bits of fur to leotards? > > -Best source for cat fur (need long for stage purposes)? > > -I have to build some of the unitards (can't buy for some of the bigger > actor/dancers) and plan to use stretch velour for some of them. Ideas > for painting to retain the velour feel? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Kate > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:48:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Dmhnd024842 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:48:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DmZ4B013187; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DmFqS055944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DmDfR011585; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DmA9F011534 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A81301E0; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:48:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c6145a$5c793fa0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:49:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:48:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11833.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a resale number and have never been asked for it. The bigger problem is that the minimum order rate is high. (presently, about $75) It is not hard to meet this since I have a business and keep a likely stock for customers in shop..But occasionally I need only one thing and find it annoying to have to fill up the order with "possibles". Kathleen From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims--was, Hello-new member > > Catching up here. > > > > They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you won't be > > able to use them (recent personal experience). Fortunately, I have a > > friend with a resale number and I just pay him the wholesale plus state > > sales tax and everything is fine. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net > > I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a resale > number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:51:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Dp2EI024896 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:51:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DosV1014202; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08DoWrw056097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DoXHx012544; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DoT3S012453 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A89E0248; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:50:22 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 08:50:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net><041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:51:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:50:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C118BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had the problem you speak of. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: > >>Catching up here. > >> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is fine. > >> > >> > >>Joan Jurancich > >>joanmj@surewest.net > > > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > > >Melusine > > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not > fill my order. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 08:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DrMi4024938 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:53:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08DrEhV015285; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Dr1hl056212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Dr0nL013572; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08DqvuA013538 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:52:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:52:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20060107233224.00a1a1c0@pop-server.kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 13:52:56.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3D917F0:01C6145A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1194A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Than you!!! I will definitely check it out. I will try my local library and see if they can sen for it. Sometmes they do when it's from another library that isn't in their system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheryl Nance-Durst" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need to find a look in the area > The Harrisburg near Elizabethtown? > If so, there should be a college library in Lancaster that > has it - Franklin & Marshall College in the Shadek-Fackenthal Library. > According to my map, that's only about 30 miles away. > > Sheryl N-D > > > At 12:58 PM 1/7/06 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd - Janet Arnold >> >>I live near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Does anyone in that area have this >>book so I can borrow it. I can't afford to buy one. Please contact me if >>you'd be willing to loan this treasure for me to look at and use for my >>costumes. >>Sincerely, >>Becky Rautine >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8ObH025260 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8GXm022538; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08E7uUf057319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E7ruu020970; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E7l16020869 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACAA0148; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:07:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Jan 2006 09:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c6145d$18cdeaa0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002601c61375$0b0e0f50$6400a8c0@Penny> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:09:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11CD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny, another curious question re these pictures.. I cannot remember if there has been any mention of just how these pics were colored originally. I have come across volumes of the same date and publisher in which the colors of the costumes for any given costume plate are entirely different. And not just in tone or quality of brush work. So to follow through with this entry, How Come? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery > Hi Gail, > > I do the same thing. If a site goes to Acrobat, I shut it down. I gave the > software many chances... still don't like it. > > A very good question... I don't mind answering about my usage of the word > restoration. > > Three definitions of restoration from my old gigantic Webster's Dictionary. > LOL! Dusting the book off. Only for you Gail will I dust today! > > 1. A restoring or being restored. > 2. A putting or bringing back into a former, normal, or unimpaired state or > condition. > 3. A representation of the original form or structure. Reconstruction. > Syn. replacement, re-established, renovation, reinstatement, revival, > recovery. A modern word in the recording industry is digitally remastered. > YUCK! My son gave me a CD for Christmas that wasn't digitally remastered. > Sounded like 1960s AM radio. Only gift I have ever returned! > > The problems with the originals images is that they are in such poor > condition.. Water stains, age stains, chipped pages, torn pages, color > faded 75% of the time, people writing on the pages, etc. If you could see > the condition of some of these images in their raw form, you would say a > prayer over them and never touch them. Now some of our collections are in > excellent conditions: 19th Century French Peasants book, Bon Ton collection, > my recent purchases of the French play costume renderings collection, and > the 1814 British occupations books. The 1814 book was made exclusively for a > wealthy person in England, and had been in a family collection for years. > But I purchased all these at top dollar for my budget. Those purchases are > rare for me but I believe their contents will greatly help our website > visitors. I actually purchased them more for the subject matter than the > condition of the images. Those images need very little work and are more > from an organizational project that cleaning the graphics. Go on eBay and > see how much the Bon Ton images starting bids are. > > I will pay high end for certain topics. The money spent on one high-end > collection, I could have purchased several other collections in not-so-good > condition. Now high end for me, is definitely not what high-end for the art > world. Sometimes, I will see these items on eBay and they have no bids > because the starting price is too high. I then privately write the dealers > or private owner and ask if they can pull the auction and sell to me > privately. I explain to the dealer my purpose for needing the collection or > book and let them see my online Library. I feel that I am saving a > collection that is being split up and sold individually. I can present the > collection as a whole. This was the case of the 1814 British collection. > The dealer took book apart and was selling them individually. After > explaining to him and that I want to save the collection, he came way down > off his eBay price and sold me the entire collection. Not only did he sent > me the plates, but he included the book's description pages of the > occupations. Those pages would have probably ended up in the garbage. What > a wonderful soul he is for wanting to sell it as a collection to me. It > took a lot of emails to convince him that the entire collection needed > saving. As for the French plays renderings... I saw two of these plates on > eBay. I wrote the dealer and asked if she had more like it. She had a > collection of a couple of hundred of renderings that this artist did for the > plays and some for fashion designers. She wanted in the thousands for it. > No way! I'm not rich. She gave me an option to purchase the theatrical or > fashion designer collections at a lower price. I love the designers, but > couldn't pass up the theater. So the fashion designer collection was broken > up and sold individually. Made me feel like I had Sophie's Choice. Which > child do I love more? > > When our images in sad condition are repainted, our first step is to make a > palette of the colors on the images. Sometimes we do not need to repaint > the entire image. But a majority of the pre-1870 images need to be > partially or completely repainted. The worse years for bad paint jobs in > the books were the 1830-1860s. I have one sad-looking lady (my images are > called ladies, men, or children) that I have been working on back and forth > for a year. The original painting is so messed up. Kimiko worked on the > majority of 1838 images for me. She can testify as to how bad those images > really looked. I scanned the illustration pages and photocopied the text > pages of that book then put it back on the shelf. It will probably never be > open again as long as I own it. When Kim worked on each image, she had a > full description of each costume. The original scans are at a high > resolution to try to pick up the original colors as much as possible. > Believe me when you are repainting these images, you get to a point you want > to pull your hair out. The originals are in such bad condition. You just > have to get away from it for a few days. When an image is complete, we are > on top of the world. It is such a wonderful feeling to completed an image, > as the description's author had intended for it to look like. YIPPEE! > After 160 something years later, the author's vision has been fulfilled! > > Other problems occur with these illustrations in the book. The ink in the > type in the books have bleed through on the images. The type letter were > struck so hard that the ink or impression would go through to the image. > When you scan these problem images, the ink or impression shows up in the > scan. These problems even hurt the b&w images. So we have to clean that up > too. This happened so much in these 1838 images. Being a teacher I learned > to read students work upside down or backwards. On a few of these images, I > could read the entire corresponding text page *backwards* on the color > fashion plates. Want to hear our graphics people grip... work on one of > those images! You have to take lots of breaks! > > When I decided to start this repainting or restoration project of fashion > plates, was when I went to the London Gallery and saw a very popular > painting. I have forgotten the name of it, but it is the medieval pregnant > woman and the man in the beaver hat. I was so-o-o disappointed to see the > original, that I almost cried. The oil paint was so cracked and was badly > in need of restoration. I thought please just put it in a safe place out of > the light to preserve it. > > If our images were being presented as a piece of artwork or for reselling > the actual fashion plates, I could see showing the original scans. But our > goal is education of past fashions. I believe people would like to see the > details of the costumes and previously didn't even notice them because a > painter of the time did a poor job. Our graphic artist who have worked on > these images can tell you how frustrating it is to have a dress described in > the text as having blue skirt with violet trim and the trim was painted > yellow. Or if that dress had a violet sash and it was painted over green > because the painter was in a hurry to be paid by piecework. I truly don't > believe that the intentions the fashion author was to have these goofs or > they would have printed the descriptions as they did. The problem why these > goofs were allowed was because these magazines were very popular and I think > they needed to speed up production time. The ladies who painted the plates > needed the money and were paid by piece. To get more pieces done *some* did > sloppy work. Prior to this period the fashion plates painting was so much > better. But not as many people had access to these publications, so the > demand was low. The painter could take their time. > > Generally when the painter took their time, their is a big difference in the > quality of the images. This is so true in the original renderings of the > French plays. My lot contains the original costume designer's renderings > for these plays. They are SO beautiful it is unreal! Going on memory, but > I think there are about 20 plays represented in the collection. Each sheet > has app. five costume renderings. FYI, the bulk of the work behind this > project will be the research. I am not that familiar with French plays of > that period. I do recognize some of the actresses' names, but I want the > homework done before they go on the web. I will spend little time working on > the images on the computer because of their excellent condition. > > The amount of research that goes behind these projects can go on for years. > I can't even try to guess the amount of research projects that are > on-going. Even when they are on the web, the research continues. Costume > research is like genealogy, you turn over one stone and then the next one > needs turning over. And then, Oh my goodness, you find a skeleton under all > those stones. That leads you to a whole new train of thought. > > My newest venture is a computer drawing tablet (WACOM to the computer > Geeks). I have wanted one since I first saw it at a publishing house in > 1996. My husband got me one for Christmas!!! I won't touch tablet until I > have read the manual. It looks so promising for speeding up the time we use > on images. That leads me to technology.... > > Once you move into the 20th Century, the printing technology became so much > better. The 20th Century images take far less of our time to work on > compared to the 19th Century. The 20th Century image colors aren't as > faded, the description generally matches the fashion in the plate. The > machine print image details are more defined than the 19th Century > hand-painted. > > LOL! Back to the CD being digitally remastered from the beginning of the > message. Compare what we do to what the music industry is doing to old > recordings. I don't want to call what we do to the images as digitally > remastering.... don't think I have mastered but a couple of thinks in my > life but giving birth to only male children, and collecting dust. Those > things I have mastered! > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:08:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8oUS025270 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08E8g2X005744; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08E8UP5057370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E8TeH021387; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08E8OoB021324 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:08:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 14:08:23.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC772010:01C6145C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:08:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11CEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > Hi, > I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of > you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise > with > lots of embroidery, now it is time. > In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. > Page is here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EITCm025509 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:18:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EILOB026995; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08EHW8Z058379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EHTnd025814; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08EHP0M025752 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63746 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 14:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 14:17:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:17:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:18:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C11F2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play >of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how >to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about >this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've >looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as >large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions >on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 >yards across? It has to be large for that character. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, but there are various methods that will work. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 09:34:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EXwKd025812 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:34:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08EXobp002080; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08EXPRI060342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EXHfU033643; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav10.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08EXEfJ033612 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:33:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:33:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 14:33:14.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[753EBE60:01C61460] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C122CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >>Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >>hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >>first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for >>a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the >>pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how >>to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It >>has to be large for that character. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > > If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by > Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply > widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre > front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it is > on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a > computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, > but there are various methods that will work. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 12:13:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HDtd1029576 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:13:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HDjnb025029; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:13:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08HDFY9076042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08HD9ds018078; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08HD67T018049 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8B0183E3 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:05 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: from mailweb25.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm21.43aa525b.bdf7c for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DwUggUBl/vQIAAAAB,7c3b29bdf756d4de61ea61f3ba4d89dc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:13:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C14849.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank-you for the info, Suzi. I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on my end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, and the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! Frustrating. Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, so that's good. Joannah ( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Suzi Clarke" > > Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to >know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online >catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If >anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the >information. > > www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk > > Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 12:47:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08HlsIX030423 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:47:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Hlk8X012296; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Hklwd080167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Hkj8w037631; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08HkeYr037542 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 93412 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 17:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 17:46:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:46:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers In-Reply-To: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:47:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C15042.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 17:13 08/01/2006, you wrote: >Thank-you for the info, Suzi. > >I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on my >end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, and >the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. > >Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge >view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! > >Frustrating. > >Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, >so that's good. > >Joannah >( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) Thanks. It isn't happening to me, but I will pass on your message to Victoria. suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 13:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I2ZVo030778 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I2RHN021067; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08I16b0081541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08I15FI044884; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08I12i9044859 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 4983 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 10:01:01 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4976, pid: 4977, t: 0.7396s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 10:01:00 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108095724.02342bd0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:00:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> References: <20060108091305.515AB95B@dm21.mta.everyone.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060108174548.01da5528@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:02:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C153B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 09:46 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >At 17:13 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>Thank-you for the info, Suzi. >> >>I am certainly having problems with it. It could well be a bug on >>my end, but whenever I go to 'enlarge view', the website freezes, >>and the only way to close the site is to 'control,alt,delete'. >> >>Yup, just went back and checked, as long as I don't try to 'enlarge >>view' it's fine, as soon as I click on 'enlarge view' - freeze! >> >>Frustrating. >> >>Otherwise, I found materials on there that I wasn't aware existed, >>so that's good. >> >>Joannah >>( who now has to go 'ctrl,alt,delete'..... ) > > >Thanks. >It isn't happening to me, but I will pass on your message to Victoria. > >suzi I didn't have any problems with the enlarged views. I am running Windows XP and have a cable internet connection. I did notice that the fabric widths are not always given (the trims I looked at had the widths). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 13:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I9Fru030885 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08I97he025013; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:09:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08I8d98082171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08I8cf5048718; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k08I8YHN048687 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 11521 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 10:08:33 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11514, pid: 11515, t: 0.8903s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 10:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:08:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net> <041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris> <7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net> <007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C15543.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time. And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It was $60 when I ordered in June 2005. Joan At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had >the problem you speak of. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joan Jurancich" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > > > > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: > > >>Catching up here. > > >> > > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you > > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal > > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and > > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is >fine. > > >> > > >> > > >>Joan Jurancich > > >>joanmj@surewest.net > > > > > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a > > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. > > > > > >Melusine > > > > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, > > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had > > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not > > fill my order. > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:24:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JOXw7032460 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JOPVU006150; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JNuvt089945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JNpX1090424; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JNlXS090358 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so3091912nzd for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:23:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j+QsA2KKwBIX2jOfrp7dq2ZHrvfjnd2AEz32yx5GeaMBeeJC3lNWvuXJgfkR28gv4vODTrYx/Xz4zGb0c49AiL/gIlmfpSVqaOTNtCet0x9mYNT9w7QBJ5raLDgfCCj4+sh3OWZ4drqNhkASmLtvkgrSLmv7SprJhMUnJ/iFctU= Received: by 10.65.119.10 with SMTP id w10mr2349123qbm; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:23:41 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08JNlXS090358 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Japan Vacation question (was: re: Japan Vakation question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:24:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C166E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>re: Japan Vakation question >I have posted answers to all of these questions. Please check the >h-cost archives for Bunka Gakuin, Omotesando, Okadaya, Hanazono, Oeno >Park and the Kyoto Museum of Costume. Deredere, Sorry you didnt find the words in the archives. Try Kyoto, Tokyo, Japan, kimono, they all come up with Japan related messages from me & others. You can also try the email address I used when I lived/worked in Tokyo. I posted as cynthia_barnes@phoenix.com. The words I gave you previously might be useful in searching the web. Bunka Gakuin - a womens college and fashion museum, look thru their older catalogs, I bought everyone ever published when I lived there. Omotesando - where the cosplay kids hang out, also Tokyo's answer to the Champs Elysee Okadaya in minami-Shinjuku, Tokyo - the best sewing store on the planet (beats G-Street & Britex hands down) Hanazono - temple with flea market sometimes Oeno Park - Tokyo National Museum, cherry blossoms, just plain lovely park. the Kyoto Museum of Costume - wonderful, often closed for rearranging the displays. Meiji-jinja - an imperial museum, sometimes it court clothing, sometimes armor, sometimes just dec arts owned by or given to emperors. and if your trip gets postponed, which I hope not, check out the Gion Matsuri (festival of the ages) in Kyoto, maybe July, maybe August. I've heard that there's a historical parade of fashions from the 9th to the 19th c. I thought I had the catalog from 2001 and cant seem to find it. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:38:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jcl2r032678 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:38:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jcdo4014507; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JcKXd092437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JcJO8099541; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JcHBI099520 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 16so3820059nzp for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DpsML1KxVzZtAaRZTcWBRzWRKqHqf5oTpHUbaF7EwUN5ZBSKC8cfcwnIdPgp1ptMunL6S/3fK0ZPyZWdu/VbGhYx+UHRHU7SRhwP5hi+Lu/8XaqYA3qqNUoFqUCE39wyRyLyIm0pj2u+SicvIigQvBm4hfRVa1SK73lGZTaCXzU= Received: by 10.65.133.10 with SMTP id k10mr2354592qbn; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:38:17 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08JcHBI099520 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Japan Vacation question (was: re: Japan Vakation question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:38:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16A3F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On 1/8/06, Cin wrote: > >>re: Japan Vakation question Minor corrections: Omotesando - Tokyo's answer to the Champs Elysees Harajuku - where the cosplay kids hang out near Yoyogi Park, also a stop on the Yamanote train line --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:42:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Jgpc9032736 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JghH4016809; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JgMQI093034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JgMGG002429; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08JgFqr002314 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04322 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:10:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:10:24 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:42:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16B33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Joan Jurancich wrote: > Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. That is very likely the case. At least one of the wholesale dealers I order from (out of state to me) notes that if you live in their home state, you need to provide a resale license, but otherwise they don't seem to care. A few of my dealers require it of everyone. It's possible that the laws on this vary by state, too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 14:56:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JusNg000413 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08JuiA0024701; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08JpAG2094131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Jp9hg007887; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Jp6XA007808 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k08Joxp21261 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060107113018.515B0FD0@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31AD7C7A-6A92-401C-BE68-E0F0E142ABB1@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:50:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:56:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C16E7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My grateful thanks to all who commented on this painting and garments. I think I have a handle on what is going on, at least enough to make a fair run at it. I will stop by the library to day to pick up Fashion Detail. I was also looking at Patterns of Fashion and found some similar couched cording in some of the photographs. I look forward to working on this. :D As for the design on dress, I agree with Joanna and it was likely a cord or braid. I gave the client the option of velvet or braid, depending on her comfort level. Again my thanks! Althea On Jan 7, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: > --- Althea Turner wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been asked to help with this costume. > 1544 > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/l/lotto/1531-/070pola.html > > I will likely use the de Toledo pattern for a basis. I've made a > couple gowns with it before so I am familiar with it. > > I'm thinking it's a brown wool/ or silk with silk velvet ribbon > appliqued on. I understand the chemise. But I don't really > understand the wrap and head covering. Does anyone have an idea of > what/ how it's made? thanks! > > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > Althea, > This isn't really an area that I'm very familiar with, so I'm going > on what I can see in the portrait. > > As far as your base fabric goes, wool or silk sounds fine. But as > far as the pattern on the fabric goes, I think that you're wrong > about velvet ribbon. I agree that the pattern is most likely > appliqued, but I don't think it's ribbon - I think that it's cord. > Do you have, or can you look at a copy of 'Historical Costume in > Detail - the 17th & 18th Centuries' by Avril hart and Susan North? > ( Yes, I know the painting is dated 1544 - bear with me :-) ) If > you enlarge the portrait ( click on it and go to 100%, any larger > and strangely it seems to lose definition ) and look at the edge of > the Laura's right sleeve at the shoulder, you can see the profile > of the cord above the fabric. I think that I can even make out a > twist in the cord, too. Anyway, there are a pair of sleeves, made > of green silk, featured in the book, which are decorated/patterned > with cord which has been couched on. ( Description on p.28, picture > on p.29. There is an even larger picture over pp.10 & 11. ) When ! > I first looked at this portrait closely, this form of decoration > and these sleeves leapt straight to my mind. > > As far as the partlet-collar-shawl-thingy goes, my first thought > was that it looked like chenille! e.g. > > http://www.cocochenille.com/2brdichbe.html > > http://www.home-decorating-co.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > Screen=PROD&Store_Code=THDC&Product_Code=arabo_toffee_649720&Product_C > ount=&Category_Code= > > http://www.minkydelight.com/chwr-110.html > > http://www.fabric.com/home-decor-fabric-upholstery-fabric-chenille- > upholstery-fabric-chenille-fabric-br-diamonds-taupe.aspx > > Most of these designs are probably too big, but you get the idea. > > On closer inspection, I have no idea, really, but I think you could > probably make a good approximation of the design with this technique: > > http://www.quiltbus.com/chenilling.htm > > Or use something like Rya stitch. > > The headgear is odd, but it certainly looks as if it is the same > fabric as the partlet-thingy. Perhaps it is a close-fitting cap or > coif, rather than a wrap or headband? Sitting over braids wrapped > around the head, which give it that bulgy/padded look? If you made > the cap of your base fabric and then added the 'rosettes' to it > after you had the shape right...... no, I went back and looked at > the picture again, whatever the fabric is, it was woven that way - > you can see the partial rosettes on the edge of the partlet and on > the front of the headgear, just above Laura's right ear. Well, > that's how the original is, but you'll probably have to reproduce > the fabric by some kind of embroidery, so my first suggestion is > still valid, I guess. > > Whatever you decide, good luck with your project. Post some > pictures when it's done, please? > > My 2 cents worth. > > Joannah > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 15:26:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KQ8Cn000985 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:26:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KQ0NC008850; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:26:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08KPQmY097427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08KPMqM027361; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08KPIV5027331 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.162]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F83747FE91 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:25:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004501c61491$b25f20b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:25:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C17558.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky, Is it an oval pannier you are looking for? Should it be straight at the top, or curved in the sides? If you are going to make such a huge frame, i would suggest you to use another hoop wire. I have used Wissners krinoline wire in the heavy weights, but if your frame is going to be straight in top, it will not hold. I would suggest you to use a thick cane in stead. Jean Hunnisets panniers are good. If you want the french shape, the top hoop hangs two far down. I have altered the frame because i wanted it to be at elbow hight. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for >a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the >pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has to be large for that character. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM > Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> Hi, >> I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of >> you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise >> with >> lots of embroidery, now it is time. >> In about 14 days i shall remove most of the pictures. >> Page is here: >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >> The dress is finished and are packed and send away tomorrow. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 15:55:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08KtseB001736 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:55:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Ktjcc026132; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Kt4Tn099912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Kt1q3043002; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Ksvsh042943 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.162]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B50EB262850 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:55:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:55:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C17C51.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread was two slippery, i lost the stitches all the time. Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a little easyer for me. I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches to each cm. This meens that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 16:16:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08LGakT002293 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08LGRLn005693; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08LGBUW001573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08LG7Zx053385; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08LG2JB053354 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569A8AB97 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:16:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C1814A.5070708@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:16:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1812B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin Netherton wrote: > At least one of the wholesale dealers I > order from (out of state to me) notes that if you live in their home > state, you need to provide a resale license, but otherwise they don't seem > to care. Businesses are required to collect taxes (or note exemptions) for in-state sales. If you mail-order from another state they aren't required to collect or report sales taxes for the other state. Or that's how it used to work, anyway, back when I had a business. So out-of-state sales require no extra paperwork. In-state retail sales means there's tax forms to fill out. Speaking of trims... I recently found TrimFabric.com as an interesting supplier of discounted trim. The selection varies considerably, though. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MX8bt004271 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MX0ku015699; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08MWPlj007795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MWKpe090686; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MWG6d090646 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so54416nfc for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:32:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f0pLGYc+L11lcfMTDXwNTcsYUHnHlZYpFwkV2HvmMkT5QaNXlno6gWC93dn9kGUdHcFDNoqD3yXBMh/wY+B1H9cwP0+K/OkPGR37xy6p19u71mJcYoYKSiOK8UeL+Xk1Q8DWNn5JFj+3QSmfNUrEh5d2JyzZQK/mOAZtmzANGzo= Received: by 10.48.30.19 with SMTP id d19mr868439nfd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:32:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601081432q190f8e1ei@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:05 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise In-Reply-To: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k08MWG6d090646 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:33:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1931C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I have to edit my webpage and take down some pictures, so in case some of > you woul like to se the progress in how i made this robe a la francaise with > lots of embroidery, now it is time. Thank you for warning us. I grabbed pictures for inspiration. And let us know how the client likes it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:38:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08McBFe004406 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:38:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Mc3bv018412; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08MbVhd008330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MbU0e093377; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MbQU3093303 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05416 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:05:29 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:38:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1944B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular image of the medieval. My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Almost went for Hiroshige. I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space photos, and Edward Gorey.) I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a better time of it than I did. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:43:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08Mhhps004772 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MhZqZ021110; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Mh57N008759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Mh3Ar096023; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MgnsV095886 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:42:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:42:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:42:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 22:42:45.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[D81DEDF0:01C614A4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C19597.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! All I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the >>>Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the >>>hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the >>>first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere >>>for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some >>>of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how >>>to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? >>>It has to be large for that character. >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>> >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on a >> computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern paper, >> but there are various methods that will work. >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 17:56:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MueZB005290 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:56:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08MuWOw027840; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:56:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08Mu5lZ010103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08Mu3Zm002829; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MtxTQ002737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k08MsXLv031261 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:54:33 -0600 Message-ID: <43C198AA.2080208@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:56:42 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C198A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Bjarne, I hope the lucky recipient of the dress sends pictures wearing it! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 18:32:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08NWgaX006135 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k08NWYGB015381; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k08NVvbh013647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NVpBa021771; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NVhE3021659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 7088 invoked by uid 507); 9 Jan 2006 10:31:34 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 10:31:34 +1100 Message-ID: <01a201c614ab$a6f67290$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:31:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1A112.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Have you taken into account the stretch of the stocking? 40cm seems like a very large diameter. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings >I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread was two slippery, i >lost > the stitches all the time. > Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a little easyer for me. > I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches to each cm. This meens > that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. > Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 19:33:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k090XCbH007609 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k090X3uJ015366; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k090WPLG020361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090WIK1052428; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090WEYK052366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Evkx8-0003sE-9F; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 Message-ID: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:32:02 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1AF3F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Robin Netherton : > > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. *giggle* I got that one too. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign? Wonder if some other Calendar publisher might pick up on the idea? > > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. > Not calendar-wise, but I am waiting on my copy of "Moda a Firenze" to show up! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 20:25:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091PtDn008939 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091PkJX011476; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k091PR1O030117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091PPjh081110; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091PKZB081072 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from felis.lover@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1458474wra for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:25:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hvRpbHmePM2NHg7pSB4ynQGPTiLPrd9Mhc/eqY3CzSti+z9iPO29mfhfOblHaqAm0YntjRiqFgOnTMejzAqRdtj6pCza+Z9tlAz/uMaFzC+SHJ0F/REuaa6+zvphFfXrtSvw9hSdTuSvU2gBonLghhisMpFXmxFD9GpqczNe0/I= Received: by 10.54.132.15 with SMTP id f15mr7100379wrd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.105.18 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:25:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:25:19 -0800 From: Karolee Smiley To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another period program on tv X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:25:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1BB9A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k091PtDn008939 Costume related viewing, Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? The title seemed dubious, but I thought I would check it out anyway. (It just started on the National Geographic channel for those interested) So far it appears to be a standard documentary, with just a sensational title. In the short bit I have seen, costumes superficially seem okay. And the history is correct so far (although we are still on Catherine). Its not my focus period and I haven't seen much yet. I'll have to keep watching to see how the program turns out. Kaitlin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 20:55:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091tDgr010187 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:55:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k091t5ri028750; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k091sUNs034681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k091sRXr097703; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k091sPwY097645 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9806 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 01:54:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xoTlt26EBVM+DSKodnuOX5j93xEWsyXLY8uzsvMPOaJBNk9ZuPn6net3a1nmATCP96QSna73lBrlj7CRaWuYN4ekrPEmp0eQjr2VFiuNvYw91hFiosgChAsTbpGacT6kq57V2uWV0YAVGvihueQjXQn2QS7yKmWXtp5oCya9C4I= ; Message-ID: <20060109015419.9804.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.189.190] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:54:19 PST Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000b01c61495$d41311e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:55:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C279.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread > was two slippery, i lost > the stitches all the time. > Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a > little easyer for me. > I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches > to each cm. This meens > that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. > Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? > > Bjarne Ok, that translates to 12.5 sts/inch--I believe that is in the range for good stockings in the eighteenth century. You may also wish to try, if you are not allergic, a fine worsted-prep yarn for your stockings. Use a similar size thread of wool that you have been of cotton. Wool is much, much, much nicer to knit than cotton or silk. And 40 cm is only about 16 inches (to respond to another poster), so that is not ridiculous. If you knit [wool] stockings to the measurement of your leg, they will be all baggy & not sleek and smooth. I've heard between 75% and 90% of your leg measurement, but 100% at the ankles for ease to don the stocking. 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:08:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0928Mpc010326 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:08:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0928EPv004157; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0927rNC036395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0927rgw004726; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08NLQis015402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k090xobN007888 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:59:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:25:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:08:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C58E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 08 January 2006 6:05 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of the American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no interest. > I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. Saw those too, and agree. > I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. I settled for the "Old Masters' Paintings" calendar, which has some nice closeups of 16th c portraits with nice costume detail. I know that's not your area of interest, Robin, but I ended up making an Italian Renaissance gown for a LARP this past summer, and have developed a slight interest in that area as a result. > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. > Almost went for Hiroshige. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) I miss the Medieval Woman calendar too. > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. I suspect not. I looked pretty hard for calendars with costume-related images, and the selection was truly dismal. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:09:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0929Kp1010337 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:09:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0929CDq005520; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0927eJY036352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0927dSu004605; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k08MpHck000143 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.105.6faea5f5 (4539) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:51:06 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:09:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C5C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks. Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:11:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BVSc010366 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BMRe005935; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0929UAw036661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0929UkS005715; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090mITA060707 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06241 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:16:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:16:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection In-Reply-To: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C64A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > > photos, and Edward Gorey.) > > Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign? IIRC, we (on this list) tried that a few years ago when the series was discontinued. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:11:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BgRP010373 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092BYfN006035; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0928k3k036526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0928keS005271; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k090W2LV052287 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [70.106.34.135]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:32:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c614b4$163aaa10$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060103164410.51989.qmail@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000801c6108b$619e9840$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93><7.0.0.16.2.20060107202303.0234c9a0@surewest.net><041501c61423$e04384d0$0400a8c0@boris><7.0.0.16.2.20060107235233.023c24b8@surewest.net><007101c6145a$b01de840$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> <7.0.0.16.2.20060108100144.02446e98@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:11:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1C656.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! What company are you all talking about? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims > Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business > is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they > only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since > they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have > found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or > 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time. > > And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It > was $60 when I ordered in June 2005. > > Joan > > At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had >>the problem you speak of. >> >>Kathleen >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joan Jurancich" >>To: "Historical Costume" >>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims >> >> >> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: >> > >>Catching up here. >> > >> >> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you >> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal >> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and >> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is >>fine. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Joan Jurancich >> > >>joanmj@surewest.net >> > > >> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a >> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it. >> > > >> > >Melusine >> > >> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order, >> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had >> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not >> > fill my order. >> > >> > >> > Joan Jurancich >> > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:38:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092cxll011093 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092coPt021790; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092bDqX039340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092b8OC019923; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k092b5Dx019900 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 10636 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2006 18:37:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10629, pid: 10631, t: 0.6789s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1210 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2006 18:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060108183337.02448630@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:37:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" In-Reply-To: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:38:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1CCBA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 02:51 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a >"twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know >what it means? Thanks. > >Nancy In order to extend the life of a dress, one can take it apart, turn the pieces inside out, and turn the skirt top to bottom and back to front as well, then sew it back together. That way the faded outside is turned inside, and the worn parts are put in places where the fading/wear is not as obvious. It's a sign of extreme poverty to turn a dress a second time. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:54:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092slxj011559 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092scKX031183; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092r3jL041192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092r1L9028789; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092qoDQ028671 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07132 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:06 -0600 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection In-Reply-To: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:54:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D06E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. > > Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish background with the big illustration of Smaug on the hoard of treasure, and the word "Tolkien" at the top, and "The Hobbit Calendar 2006" at the bottom. If you look at Amazon's listing, they have the *wrong* image -- there's an Alan Lee "Lord of the Rings" *2007* calendar shown as the main image (customer-submitted). Click on the small image, and you'll see the correct one, but with a green background color; probably a pre-publication image made before final printing, or maybe it was done in several colors. Walmart has the same error; maybe the image was sent from the publisher by mistake. The description also does not match the contents of the one I bought, even though the ISBN is the same. What a mess. Ah, here: Correct image, different ISBN: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0007208138 Lord knows what you'll get if you try to order any of these :-( I actually have all of the images from this calendar in a 1979 large-format, slipcovered edition of his paintings, but it's nice to have them on view on the wall. (OK, I also have most of them in oversize postcard prints, too, of which I framed seven many years ago, but those pictures are in a box somewhere. Am I a geek? I bought these when they were first released, in the late 1970s.) I have always liked Tolkien's art; it's got a rather spare, primitive (in the artistic meaning of the term) feel to it -- not what you'd expect from an English intellectual! In fact, I almost bought the calendar of Hiroshige (Japanese) landscapes because they harmonized nicely with the Tolkien images. (I keep my calendars side-by-side on the wall, to show two different months for reference.) (I also display Japanese Imari china alongside my medieval art museum posters in the dining room; the color choices and decorative elements are very harmonious. A perfect blend, in fact, with the minium-orange and lapis-blue French provincal print I made into curtains. I am a period-purist in my historical reproductions, but not in my home decor.) OBCostume: Ouch, that's hard. There's absolutely no costume content in the Tolkien images. He showed very few people, and these are very tiny. It's mostly landscapes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 21:58:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092wU9U011636 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:58:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k092wMEZ000743; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k092vtJZ041722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092vp83031311; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k092vmeR031274 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.171] (pm5-171.eos.net [205.133.149.171]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k092vk4u000965 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:57:46 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:46:00 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601090208.k0927vc6004788@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: twice-turned X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D14E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Nancy: If I recall my Louisa May Alcott years correctly, a "turned" dress was one that had been taken apart and put back together with the fabric that used to be on the inside now on the outside, so that it did not look as worn or stained. So I guess a "twice-turned" dress was on that had been taken apart and put back together a second time. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093ThGW012912 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093TYKu019921; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k093TEEF044477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093TDTT047143; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093T9cG047100 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1EvniW1fT0-0000rq; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c614cc$dda4d950$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D89E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin, you are lucky girl! I love coming across sales like that! Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093ThGQ012913 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k093TZcl021570; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k093T5Yv044449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093T2cJ047011; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k093SxZh046970 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y25so524419nfb for ; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:28:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IW9Xtw+Yk6BNQ8CscDjSoBk+ZRDXXcBYBrx3UNvv2C0SqrCYsDtFHCDFBXbTa39CK3RumngIud1FrJc3/JUSqTfwyCsSiunA9Kpj3R1OR1H0VEII6QZhtWtu6XDZcQQWcrCRMsCEc/PbHCRImmi7KbqzbnsOElpmM6WoJbamXiU= Received: by 10.48.30.17 with SMTP id d17mr874408nfd; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601081819h737202a5g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:19:52 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" In-Reply-To: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k093SxZh046970 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1D89F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it means? This is just a guess, but I know that when suits got old and stained, they took them apart and resewed them with the pieces inside out, so that the side that was against the body would end up on the outside. That side would be less damaged than the exposed side. Speculation here, but a twice-turned dress could have been remade twice so the better side was facing out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:17:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094HVcH014234 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094HMef017650; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094GmpG049454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094Gjjr072131; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094GdJl072025 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006010904163301400qdrj1e>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:16:33 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:16:30 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:16:30 +0000 Message-Id: <010920060416.8844.43C1E39D000EE63D0000228C22007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E3D2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We also had the same problem finding any calendars with a medieval theme. So this year we bought a calendar that dealt with France. Each day has a picture that dealt with a place or object of France; and each month dealt with a different location in France. We decided to choose this calendar because it is my long time wish to go to France. My fiance' has already been there when he was stationed in Europe. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Robin Netherton > > I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall > calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing > medieval aside from one "Angels" calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, > neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a "Camelot" > calendar full of Pre-Raphaelite images, including a few I hadn't seen > before, all of them with sumptuous Victorian-medieval costume. Eye candy > over my desk, and later I can use these in lectures about the popular > image of the medieval. > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Almost went for Hiroshige. > > I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the > Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space > photos, and Edward Gorey.) > > I hope people who are looking for suitable images from other periods had a > better time of it than I did. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:21:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094LcYE014305 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094LUos020147; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094L8B2049909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094L89d074524; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav24.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094L4Gq074456 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.38.123 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:20:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.38.123] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060108183202.rmrqqgir4hpkosg8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:21:05 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:21:00.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[189666D0:01C614D4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E4CA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k094LcYE014305 While not as useful as The Medieval Woman calendars, there were a couple of possibilities out there if you didn't wait for the after-New Year sales and patronized the right bookseller. Pages from the Spinola Hours were reproduced on 1 calendar and are beautiful examples of "squashed bug" style illumination. Pages from the Kennicott Bible, a 1476 Spanish manuscript, were reproduced on another. Several years ago, my local newspaper had a piece on BrownTrout Publishing and how they had achieved success in the calendar business by going for "niche" topics and I've thought they would be a good place to try for a "People in the Middle Ages" calendar. (Even if they aren't still publishing it, I'm sure Workman would be inclined to lawsuits if someone else did a "Medieval Woman" calendar.) They have a web site, http://www.browntrout.com/index.asp , if anyone wants to write them. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094OVFa014339 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:24:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094ON6l021874; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094NnOH050132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094NnHT075887; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094NjJ8075838 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:23:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:23:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:23:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:23:40.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[78210510:01C614D4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E577.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How might I get that pattern? Is it in a book I might find at the library? It seems I need to find the library that has all these costuming books. I plan a day to go over to Lancaster, PA to visit one of the libraries recommended for me. I'll ask my local library if they can borrow the ones we can find in the area. I appreciate the help. I know what I want to make just not sure how to MAKE it work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! All >I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. > Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >> Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Suzi Clarke" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >>> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of >>>>the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make >>>>the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since >>>>the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked >>>>everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I >>>>need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on >>>>how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards >>>>across? It has to be large for that character. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>> >>> >>> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >>> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >>> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >>> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >>> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on >>> a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern >>> paper, but there are various methods that will work. >>> >>> Suzi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 8 23:28:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094So7r014404 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k094Set9024130; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k094SE1O050477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094SD0M078126; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav18.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k094SAxh078082 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:28:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:28:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 04:28:06.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[169EE720:01C614D5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1E678.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! HI NANCY!!! This is Becky Rautine. I'm in the same costuming discussion group. I just saw your post and recognized your name. Maybe I need to just ask you these questions. You'd be my expert... and within reach of my home. I will share my sketch of the dress as soon as I get it into the computer. I'd appreciate any advice you can give a beginner. I'm very good at the sewing and stitchery, but the period costumes are new to me. I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie Antoinette puffy one. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it > means? Thanks. > > Nancy > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Nancy Spies > Arelate Studio > _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > > Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. > > "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, > someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares > about > the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, > their > jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who > believes > we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our > policies > abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm > a > 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:09:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09591mL015461 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:09:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0958p0j016458; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:08:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0957oYS055077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957lha099987; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957hPH099942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-158.sonic.net [209.148.113.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0957ecu007715 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:07:42 -0800 Message-ID: <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:07:44 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1EFE3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>ear! >> >> > >You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar >shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of the >American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no interest. > > I'm interested in a wide variety of eras. I used to get the Medieval Women calendars. I have gotten all of the Sally Queen costume calendars except this year's, and the year when they did children's costume. For 2006, I got a calendar of fashion plates from the _Gazette du Bon Ton_, called the "Golden Age of Fashion." It is sold on this web page: http://www.rsvp.com/index.cfm?function=home&SubCatID=9&catid=19 I haven't seen it, but Workman Publishing did a 2006 calendar called "Shoes Gallery." Bata Shoe Museum has done a nice calendar or two--I got one a few years ago, but haven't seen one for 2006. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095NKVw016538 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095NABu024056; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095MdCk056438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095MbWU008044; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095MWAL007969 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13d.2296dee4 (57365) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.2296dee4.30f34d0e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:22:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:23:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F33E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:28:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie Antoinette puffy one. ********************** We did "Nutcracker" every year at school [NCSA]. I remember our Mother Ginger was played by the tallest man in the dance department. The huge pannier was at 1st made of plywood and weighed like 800 pounds. Later it was fashioned out of PVC pipe....the plastic piping plumbers used. What a relief for the dancer! He also wore plasterer stilts....or something like them, that made him over a foot taller. We made long frilly pantaloons to cover these....and you did catch a glimpse of them when the children [8 or them] promenade out from under her skirts and, after their minuet, run back under. The contraption looked like an open robe with a contrasting petticoat but in reality the skirts were all attached to the pannier and the bodice was separate. The dancer would pull a cord at the point of the bodice and the [faked] petticoat part would draw up like an Austrian curtain to let the children out and back in. The gown was all cinnamon and coffee-with-cream colored taffeta with lots of swags and huge satin flowers and bows in pastel colors at the top of the panniers....decorated with white lace. She looked like a big fancy iced cake. She had a towering 1770s do with a huge delicate mob cap with lace and bows and things perched on top. A great costume. The dancer would swing those big "hips" back and forth while the children danced their minuet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:32:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095WJCe016823 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:32:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095WBma028966; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095VjUS057076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095Vhcb012952; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:qui/XAf0PeeTSHPxkZESpdVuMpfNS3eT@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095VeBN012922 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.62] (206-124-5-62.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.62]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k095UWm11358 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:30:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:32:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F55B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:41:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095fHVQ016949 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:41:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095f7JD001101; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:41:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095edfd058038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095eaJ4017633; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095eVES017537 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.230.4e39c93 (57365) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:40:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1F773.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I don't think I've ever seen it pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own shape (on the busty side)? ******************************* It doesn't do that in "Lady Jane", does it? Must be the cut of the dress....unless she is pregnant [with Elizabeth?] :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:54:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095shCD017628 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095sZHP007741; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095s3Za059716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095rubT024881; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095rlUA024677 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.96.355b3874 (2519) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:53:39 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FA9B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I usually do English. And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It gets COLD there. Thanks for your forbearance, Tea Rose In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:34:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning collection and a pair of chopines. This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair of stockings and a pair of chopines. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:57:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095vWPW017786 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:57:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095vOYp009012; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:57:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095uXQf060122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095uXQu026873; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095uSe4026746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097Z4VO021842 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:35:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090100.17367.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:57:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FB44.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:21 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the > > > Hildebrandt or movie stuff. > > > > Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. > > It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish background > with the big illustration of Smaug on the hoard of treasure, and the word > "Tolkien" at the top, and "The Hobbit Calendar 2006" at the bottom. I don't remember seeing it here, and the picture on Amazon (that you give the URL for below) would not have sold me; I was thinking of line drawing instead of color art for some reason when I thought of Tolkien's own art. [snip] > > (I also display Japanese Imari china alongside my medieval art museum > posters in the dining room; the color choices and decorative elements are > very harmonious. A perfect blend, in fact, with the minium-orange and > lapis-blue French provincal print I made into curtains. I am a > period-purist in my historical reproductions, but not in my home decor.) Of course not. Our home has a bit of an international flavor too. > > OBCostume: Ouch, that's hard. There's absolutely no costume content in the > Tolkien images. He showed very few people, and these are very tiny. It's > mostly landscapes. Right, I know that. Even so, I was having trouble finding landscapish calendars I'd want to buy. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 00:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095xMoV017802 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k095xD9o017799; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k095wZJG060322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095wZfw028014; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095wWwB027951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097b7F7021896 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:08 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:02:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200601081825.04028.cathy@thyrsus.com> <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <43C1EFA0.1070200@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090102.22031.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:59:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FBB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Monday 09 January 2006 12:07 am, Lavolta Press wrote: > >>ear! > > > >You can say *that* again. I was really frustrated when I did my calendar > >shopping. Sally Queen & Associates's 2006 calendar features costume of > > the American "Wild West" period, a period in which I have almost no > > interest. > > I'm interested in a wide variety of eras. I used to get the Medieval > Women calendars. I have gotten all of the Sally Queen costume calendars > except this year's, and the year when they did children's costume. I have almost all of the Sally Queen calendars myself. I too am interested in a wide variety of eras; it's just that the Wild West is one of the few that I'm *disinterested* in. > > For 2006, I got a calendar of fashion plates from the _Gazette du Bon > Ton_, called the "Golden Age of Fashion." It is sold on this web page: > > http://www.rsvp.com/index.cfm?function=home&SubCatID=9&catid=19 > > I haven't seen it, but Workman Publishing did a 2006 calendar called > "Shoes Gallery." Bata Shoe Museum has done a nice calendar or two--I > got one a few years ago, but haven't seen one for 2006. I need a wall-sized calendar with spaces for the days big enough to write in; I saw the "Shoes Gallery" calendar; I believe it's small sized-too small to be useful as a calendar to me. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 01:00:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0960ond017826 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0960g3e010750; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:00:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09602qY060459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k096027f028841; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k095xvGJ028737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097cWeL021948 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:38:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:03:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601090103.46619.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:00:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FC0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Monday 09 January 2006 12:31 am, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham > Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down > from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making > her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's > silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it > pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. > I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who > can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the > actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Is it possible that the *actress* was pregnant at the time of filming and the costume was deliberately cut to obscure that fact? I have no idea, I don't follow what goes on with actors, it was just a thought. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 01:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k096D85G017962 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:13:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k096CxET016855; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:13:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k096CMqt061324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k096CLMc035169; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k096CGgb035100 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58576 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 06:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 06:12:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:11:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:13:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C1FEEB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sylvia@ntw.net writes: > >I don't think I've ever seen it >pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >actress's own shape (on the busty side)? Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 02:37:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097bYpe028928 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097bPhA024803; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097axFX067739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097asIX076072; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097anHt076016 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2892C5E133 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IST00CNTEHCGT@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:36:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:36:47 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: [h-cost] English underwear (was: Italian Underwear) In-reply-to: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C2128F.8010709@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:37:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C212B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Generally established as true. Yes, England is cold. And, no, not everybody wore 70 pounds of clothing (I exaggerate!). But - Go to http://costume.dm.net/overview.html and read. There could be 8 layers of cloth (or more), and while many of them could be silk or linen, in cold weather you can bet there was wool also. That site (http://costume.dm.net) is an excellent one to peruse, particularly for doing English 16th century. Roger TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: >Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >usually do English. > >And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >gets COLD there. > >Thanks for your forbearance, >Tea Rose > >In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:34:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) >From: Kathy Page >Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear > >I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document >their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning >collection and a pair of chopines. >This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, >knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short >period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the >collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure >with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair >of stockings and a pair of chopines. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 02:50:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097oBqi032375 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:50:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k097o3So031208; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097nLe2068737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097nJlv082553; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097nF7D082496 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k097nB9v015563 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:49:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:49:06 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:50:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C215AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings! Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going to make much difference except for possibly during activities like horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles (rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers would be rather immaterial. Cheers, Danielle At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >usually do English. > >And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >gets COLD there. > >Thanks for your forbearance, >Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 03:00:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0980kw0002638 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:00:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0980c7C004178; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:00:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k097xpZM069311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097xlVj087922; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k097xhM4087879 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-168-109.mn.res.rr.com [24.26.168.109]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k097xb9v017082 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:59:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014913.01d0f040@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:59:31 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com > References: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C21826.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 07:25 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >Costume related viewing, > >Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? >The title seemed dubious, but I thought I would check it out anyway. (It >just started on the National Geographic channel for those interested) >So far it appears to be a standard documentary, with just a sensational >title. In the short bit I have seen, costumes superficially seem okay. And >the history is correct so far (although we are still on Catherine). >Its not my focus period and I haven't seen much yet. I'll have to keep >watching to see how the program turns out. > >Kaitlin OPINION ALERT! Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century view of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine!!!!). I found it to be rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and while strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated outright that Henry went mad as he got older! Anyway, it was an interesting counterpoint to Starkey's account and worth watching once. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 03:32:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k098W3f8011271 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:32:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k098Vtg0020538; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:31:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k098VXwA071921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k098V3nD002053; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k098V1av002039 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so3467545nze for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FaPVRqPUAeA/xli/qak85jT1zWxNyIYT4dhmJqwidSwMTfzRyleUcCM+L9GpTUTJNR6wWjSsUdcQvMQ0c60dkWvbnUbzid+gFu/rX7PW7rpXqlEeIyN4TtBW10F7Ko9ymdRXgmA2m0aw9o3+YzZRBaO1EZFJymID9n9uss+GIs0= Received: by 10.65.177.14 with SMTP id e14mr6314084qbp; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:31:01 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k098V1av002039 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:31:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C21F7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello all- I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if you're too tired to take it inside after the event. One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last night. Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and recover them. Sincerely, Marguerite du Royon AKA Rachael Keish (and Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com) ____________________________________________ Stolen item descriptions: - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An emerald dangled also below the dolphin. - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 kinds of buttons. - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse embroidered on it at each corner. - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate with red marquis shaped stones. (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BEO0Y012646 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:14:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BEDBB008727; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BDZHO084953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BDSaP074396; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav17.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BCpAl074157 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:12:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <105.6faea5f5.30f2f15a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:12:51.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1702FC0:01C6150D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:14:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24585.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! A twice turned dress would mean that the skirt was first taken off and flipped upsidedown, so the former hem is at the waist, then taken apart again and flipped inside out, or maybe the panels are sideways to what they were. Poverty sucks! But, often you could tell the stature of a woman, because she worn fabrics that could not be 'turned', the fabrics with large prints along the bottom, that fade to smaller ones at the waist, for instance, would be difficult to turn nicely. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > Martha Cratchet, in "A Christmas Carol", is said to be wearing a > "twice-turned dress." This term is new to me. Does anyone know what it > means? Thanks. > > Nancy > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Nancy Spies > Arelate Studio > _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > > Save the earth; it's the only planet with chocolate. > > "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, > someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares > about > the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, > their > jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who > believes > we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our > policies > abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm > a > 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:24:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BOrrh014841 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:24:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BOjP9014254; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BOKSf086160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BOCfQ079591; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav11.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BO1ew079505 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:23:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:23:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:23:58.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2D79C0:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:24:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C247FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I had some serious issues with a lot of H Bohnam Carter's clothing in the episode I watched last night...What were those things on her head??? That and the shape of the dresses. The stays in this period would have been close to what she had on, but would have come in to her actual waist, while not chinching it. Her breasts totally disappeared in the bodices, they would have shown a bit, it looked like the bodices were biult for another actress who was much larger. The shape of the skirts also bothered me a bit...too linear, without any bell at all in some of them. But that's my opinion...take it for what it's worth Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham > Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down > from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making her > look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's > silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it pooch > out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. I know > there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who can advise > if this is correct or does it have something to do with the actress's own > shape (on the busty side)? > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:26:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BQZNW015094 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:26:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BQRSJ010926; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BQBCJ086240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BQ4sc080440; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav13.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BPmBo080301 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:25:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:25:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:25:45.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EFEC180:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:26:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24863.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: >> >>In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>sylvia@ntw.net writes: >> >>I don't think I've ever seen it >>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > > > Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, > hence the rather odd costume shape. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 06:29:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BTFWE015500 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:29:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09BT7OH016401; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09BSich086429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BSUCD081688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav11.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09BSCIT081456 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:28:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:28:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000f01c61442$129ddb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060108141356.01d9aed0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:28:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 11:28:07.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3A793B0:01C6150F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C24903.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett is the book, and should be in your local library. ;-> If you have any questions, I'm sure a lot of us can help you out. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > How might I get that pattern? Is it in a book I might find at the library? > It seems I need to find the library that has all these costuming books. I > plan a day to go over to Lancaster, PA to visit one of the libraries > recommended for me. I'll ask my local library if they can borrow the ones > we can find in the area. > I appreciate the help. I know what I want to make just not sure how to > MAKE it work. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kelly grant" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > >>I have used Ms Hunnisett's 18thC hoop pattern, it balances beautifully! >>All I did was scale it up! At the bottom edge mine is 2 yards across. >> Kelly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >> >> >>> Thanks. I'll look for that one at the library too. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Suzi Clarke" >>> To: "Historical Costume" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>> >>> >>>> At 14:08 08/01/2006, you wrote: >>>>>I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of >>>>>the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make >>>>>the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since >>>>>the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked >>>>>everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I >>>>>need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. >>>>>Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on >>>>>how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards >>>>>across? It has to be large for that character. >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>>> >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:55 AM >>>>>Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise >>>> >>>> >>>> If you get a copy of "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by >>>> Jean Hunnisett there is a pannier pattern in there that you can simply >>>> widen by folding the pattern and cutting extra onto the folded, centre >>>> front and centre back edges. You will have to enlarge the pattern as it >>>> is on a grid, but I am told that you can do this at "copy shops" and on >>>> a computer. I have never done this as I enlarge direct onto pattern >>>> paper, but there are various methods that will work. >>>> >>>> Suzi >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 08:43:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09DhIWG031913 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09DhABg029730; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Dgj1v099038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Dgc9B049497; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f36.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DgZPB049448 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:42:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.137.4.157] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:42:35.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA20EA0:01C61522] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2686E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This quote from Helena Bonham Carter is from an interview with her on the PBS website: "I was pregnant during filming, making dressing up in the lavish costumes required for a Tudor queen no mean feat! It's not exactly suitable maternity wear! But the corsets gave some continuity while I got bigger each week. Luckily they are not too tight or I may have ended up with a baby with a flat head! Some of the costumes were re-cut up to four times during filming. The dresses were designed with longer bodices than typical Tudor dresses to distract from the waistline and the lacings were placed at the backsides for ease and comfort." Kate > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:31:48 -0700 >From: Sylvia Rognstad >Subject: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >I've just been watching the new Henry Viii on PBS with Helena Bonham >Carter as Anne Boleyn. I noticed that all her dresses go straight down >from bust to waist, not pinching in at the waist at all, and making >her look somewhat pregnant when she's not. While I realize this era's >silhouette is flat at the bustline, I don't think I've ever seen it >pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > >Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 08:54:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ds8gr032721 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ds0Yp005203; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09DrhDm000252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DrdnY055257; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav6.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09DrZYe055208 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:53:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13d.2296dee4.30f34d0e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 13:53:32.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[142BD260:01C61524] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C26AF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That is what the idea is here. Same concept of the stilts and panier underneath. Do you have a pattern for that? I have lots of online "Gown" patterns that I might be able to use but none of the exact one to use. Can you send me a copy of your costume stetch or what pattern you used? We WILL NOT BE USING YOUR DESIGN, just how to make ours. We had planned to use PVC pipe or bend bamboo for the skirt roundness/shape. Someone told us about how to make the skirt like a float with a base. This way we don't have to use the stilts. I'm not sure the base will work or not. If we can get it to work, the kids will ride onto stage and jump out when it stops. It'ss be on casters with the dancer standing in a secure frame so he can be taller than normal without the stilts. Whoever is chosen to be Mother Ginger won't have to know how to walk in stilts. we hope to ask a local celebraty to "become" Mother Ginger. We also thought that some of the decorations on the skirt look like those little cookies that are on a gingerbread house. The kids will come out from under the skirt and pull one of the cookies off the dress. It becomes their hat. The hat is on with velcro. That was my idea. It also gives them something more to do than just jump out and dance. It adds a bit of humor ot the scene. My daugher thought it would be funny for the wig to fall off. Maybe the character can remove it in curtain call. That would be funny for people to see that it is the celebraty. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "twice-turned dress" > > In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:28:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: > > I'm making a Mother Hinger costume for my daughter's ballet this next > Christmas. Any suggestions? It's a robe a la francaise type like Marie > Antoinette puffy one. > > > > ********************** > > We did "Nutcracker" every year at school [NCSA]. I remember our Mother > Ginger was played by the tallest man in the dance department. The huge > pannier was > at 1st made of plywood and weighed like 800 pounds. Later it was fashioned > out of PVC pipe....the plastic piping plumbers used. What a relief for the > dancer! He also wore plasterer stilts....or something like them, that made > him > over a foot taller. We made long frilly pantaloons to cover these....and > you > did catch a glimpse of them when the children [8 or them] promenade out > from > under her skirts and, after their minuet, run back under. > > The contraption looked like an open robe with a contrasting petticoat but > in > reality the skirts were all attached to the pannier and the bodice was > separate. The dancer would pull a cord at the point of the bodice and the > [faked] > petticoat part would draw up like an Austrian curtain to let the children > out > and back in. > > The gown was all cinnamon and coffee-with-cream colored taffeta with lots > of > swags and huge satin flowers and bows in pastel colors at the top of the > panniers....decorated with white lace. She looked like a big fancy iced > cake. > > She had a towering 1770s do with a huge delicate mob cap with lace and > bows > and things perched on top. A great costume. > > The dancer would swing those big "hips" back and forth while the children > danced their minuet. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 09:10:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09EA4YY000490 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:10:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09E9sJ3016808; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:09:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09E97cr002641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09E96jC064405; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09E93Hl064275 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40100 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 14:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CeRL/vmZcrHZjUKfEzGXVKuCRECv5FnpDdanUdsvv+UUroN8Gzva0EsV2C/zDTek/Q+O+wH/ZAcIuwIR7MeU+h8JKigeDrVoK6JoW9wVHtyfMmzx20C8FMl/fZb8/1fYN3V6GAwKV+zGlLObyAJiq+9TWE1ADkux0FBIuk/Yslo= ; Message-ID: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:08:55 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:08:55 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:09:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C26EB2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello all This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to design my first corset with straps for a lovely customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in place. Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm - might stain the shiny fabric on top). Many many thanks, Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 10:25:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09FPrZb003384 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:25:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09FPi6q018450; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09FOi3V011698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FOCcm014509; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:24:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav10.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FNTOO014061 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:23:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.149.20.116 by BAY108-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:23:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.149.20.116] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:23:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 15:23:28.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[A45DEBF0:01C61530] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:25:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C28078.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k09FPrZb003384 I will be traveling to Cleveland, Ohio next week - any suggestions for must visit fabric or bead stores, museums, etc? I've been invited to give a talk for "Quester's" group there by a friend; the title is "From Here to There and Back Again: A Guide to Travel in Antebellum America". As I don't have a "proper" travel gown, I plan to dress entirely inappropriately, i.e.. too colorful, too high style, large hoop, too much jewelry, too much hand baggage, etc Thanks for any suggestions on places to visit, Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 10:49:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Fn5gh003613 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:49:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Fmujm007319; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Fh1Dq018634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FguKx030043; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09FgqDD029969 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51228B037 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:42:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C284BE.2000808@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:43:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0601081725gdc29460sf34c5d1028128115@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C285E8.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Karolee Smiley wrote: > Costume related viewing, > > Anyone catch the "Madness of Henry VIII"? I thought it was okay. I would have liked to have heard more about Henry in his younger days and more about his later wives. The show was 90% about Anne, and they spent all of 15 seconds each on his last marriages. Still there were some interesting historical tidbits about his reign that I hadn't heard before. The costumes were just costumes. Somebody tried, but the women obviously weren't in corsets, and it looked like a lot of the layering for both sexes was faked. For a 1 hour tv drama I was ok with everything except Anne's hat. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 12:12:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09HCNAd006654 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:12:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09HCFKS016622; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09H4CM9044559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09GtESQ095623; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09GsYjU094994 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: <43C2954D.8090507@msn.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:54:37 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 16:54:25.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[590891C0:01C6153D] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2996F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Fynes Moryson notes that women in Italy (and in parts of Germany) wore "breeches" under their gowns...(I think this is online at project ) Gutenberg, if you want to read the account.) He notes these exceptions in this period (~1598~1604) of time as an anomaly. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 13:50:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09IoCcI009671 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:50:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Io24i030322; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09InLYf061824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09InI7Y007360; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:49:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.216]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09E3GEv060762 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.83]) by omc1-s14.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:03:11 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:03:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:03:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 14:03:11.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CD61320:01C61525] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B05A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That is awfull!!!! That is such a beatiful costume. I'd send pictures to every pawn shop in 100 miles of the place where it was stolen. I sure hopw someone filed a police report on it. Then the pawn shops HAVE to report it as stolen. Otherwise there is no official "stolen property" report to make them give you your costume back. Contact the local paper and have them write an article on it. That way the news will get out to the local area. Call the tv station. Whatever will give you their time. I know it doesn't replace the costume, but it may fall under your car insurance policy... BUT it needs the police report. I found that out the hard way. I had a camera stolen from my purse. Good luck in retrieving the costume. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] Toni's aka Genevieve's 12th Night Renn Costume STOLEN > Hello all- > I'm sending this post to literally everyone in my email address book, > (most especially the h-costume list.) At a minimum, it will serve as > a sad reminder to never leave anything of value in your car even if > you're too tired to take it inside after the event. > > One of my sewing buddies, Toni Whyte (SCA Genevieve de Vendome), had > her beautiful Elizabethan 12th Night costume and jewelry was STOLEN > from her car in front of my friends' house in Fremont, Calif last > night. > > Below is a detailed list of the missing items which are of great > sentimental value (not to mention a lot of work on the part of many > SCA artisans). Several pictures are also posted online at: > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos > The album is "Stolen gown belongs to Toni aka Genevieve." > > Please cross post his missive to any and all lists that you can think > of in hopes of locating the stolen items; with only six degrees of > separation, hopefully someone somewhere will see these if & when they > surface. (It's already gone to several SF-SJ-Oakland area SCA groups.) > > If anyone hears or sees anything resembling these at pawn shops / > antique stores / clothing resale shops / email lists/ ebay, please let > me know: rachael DOT keish AT gmail DOT com. I'm offering a reward > for the gowns and pendants, no questions asked, just to try and > recover them. > > Sincerely, > Marguerite du Royon > AKA Rachael Keish > (and Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com) > ____________________________________________ > > Stolen item descriptions: > - A custom made rennaissance-type pendant of 22 kt. gold, emeralds, > and a black baroque pearl. Piece is a dolphin being ridden by a > sea-nymph. Black baroque pearl forms the dolphin's head, and the > dolphin is suspended from a green emerald pin by two chains. An > emerald dangled also below the dolphin. > > - Laurel's medallion pendant in a renaissance style. Cloisonnee, with > a background of gold with a green laurel wreath, within a silver > frame. The laurel pendant is suspended from a pin by two chains, and > three freshwater pearls dangle from the bottom of it. > > - Custom-made 16th Century Elizabethan gown, with hoop skirt and > corset. White brocade, with gold trim. Sleeves are made of strips of > brocade with gold trim, that have white silk organza puffs between 2 > kinds of buttons. > > - The matching gold pill-box-type round hat has embroidery and pearls > around the sides, and a red cross of toulouse embroidered on top. > > - Custom-made red velveteen open gown/ropa/overgown with gold silk > lining. Short rounded sleeves, made of crossed-strapwork trimmed in > red and gold braid, with white silk-organza puffs showing through. The > collar shows the gold lining and has two red Cross of Toulouse > embroidered on it at each corner. > > - Ruby cabuchon earrings, with three seed-pearls. > > - Costume jewelry set of necklace, bracelet, and earrings. Gold plate > with red marquis shaped stones. > > (If you're in the 'hood & can lend a hand, thanks for the help. And > if you're too far away to help, go ahead and look at the pictures > anyway. Toni's workmanship is quite something.) > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 13:59:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ixtrp010285 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:59:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Ixluh006428; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09IxAUx063508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ix4jc017403; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09ER8Df074316 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47873 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 14:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 14:27:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109142307.01d9ee00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:27:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? In-Reply-To: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060109140855.40098.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B2A3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 14:08 09/01/2006, you wrote: >Hello all > >This is /kind/ of costume related - I've just had to >design my first corset with straps for a lovely >customer who is a) self-conscious and b) lop-sided, >after a very dislocating shoulder finally got operated >on... What can I say, it doesn't seem to matter how >carefully I fit the strap, one or t'other creeps down. > >Since the corset will be used for ceilidhing and >general dancing, she's going to need them to stay in >place. > >Does anyone have a tip on making those gummy strips >I've seen on the inside of some ready to wear garments >that hold semi-off the shoulder straps in place? I'd >thought of some kind of glue or silicon sealant (hmmm >- might stain the shiny fabric on top). > >Many many thanks, > >Katherine who's based in the UK so some suppliers are out. Katherine Contact MacCulloch and Wallis - they have, I think, special straps to add to underwear. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Otherwise, use a piece of elastic, made slightly shorter than the strap, stitched at both ends, and herringboned across the length. Sew it to the underside. That one works for me. Or use elastic to attach the straps at the front. That also works - might not be "authentic" but needs must sometimes. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:01:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09J0xxb010313 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:00:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09J0pBY004561; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09IxxOd063687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ixq9s018217; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav11.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09H5NP4005408 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.149.20.116 by BAY108-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:05:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.149.20.116] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 17:05:19.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[DED64DA0:01C6153E] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:00:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B2E3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k09J0xxb010313 Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:15:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JFYq2010599 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:15:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JFQQH020510; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:15:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JECYS065884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JE8DN031823; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05BNwUr064373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-156-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.156]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k05BNsNp005279; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:23:55 +1100 Message-ID: <003a01c611ea$b4aaa6e0$9cd7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:25:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:00:15 -0700 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:15:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B64E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Good evening all, Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings) Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage for more info). If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus imaginary eras). I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:18:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JImcV010760 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:18:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JIeC9023337; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09J4DP6064503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09IjrBP003763; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09BWBgJ083584 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 45058 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 11:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 11:32:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:32:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII In-Reply-To: References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:18:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B710.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry >>Vlll, hence the rather odd costume shape. >> >>Suzi >Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right now) >Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! >Kelly Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? Suzi >>>I don't think I've ever seen it >>>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:20:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKjK9010970 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKbpk010917; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JJjGZ066711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JJdCr036843; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09IGCQi073076 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1348B2B2 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:56:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C2A424.9060602@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:57:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] paging Alex, aka "Garbaholic" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B785.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Please contact me off list. I don't think my email is getting through to you. Dawn (Apologies if you see this multiple times, I'm having problems with my mail server. ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:20:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKjk5010971 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JKbDj016691; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JED8c065889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JE8wL031829; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:OcXfMb5u93QhxdmdDzwPwUjmgBTXyGzn@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ft0au040792 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.164] (206-124-5-164.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.164]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k09Frqm12499 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b6edf5b7578fa1826517b11d3de02e7@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:55:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:20:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B785.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:25 AM, kelly grant wrote: > Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network > right now) > Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! > Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:11 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > > >> At 05:40 09/01/2006, you wrote: >>> >>> In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> sylvia@ntw.net writes: >>> >>> I don't think I've ever seen it >>> pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham >>> Carter. >>> I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list >>> who >>> can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with >>> the >>> actress's own shape (on the busty side)? >> >> >> Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, >> hence the rather odd costume shape. >> >> Suzi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:21:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JLZVl011061 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:21:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JLRvY025688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JFOXk066049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JEFd6032010; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09HInb2018177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 832B326289C for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:18:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c61540$ce074130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060109015419.9804.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:19:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B7B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Ann, Oh thanks for your reply. I am only at the beginning, and the first rows surely are difficult to make, but i made 2 rows now, and it gets much better. Ill start to make pearl pattern in stead of ribs, and then it will be easy with the rest. I use a DMC embroidery floss to knit the stockings with. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Catelli" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings > > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > >> I tryed to knit silk stockings. But the silk thread >> was two slippery, i lost >> the stitches all the time. >> Now i have tryed with cotton thread, and its a >> little easyer for me. >> I made a sampler and it shows that i use 5 stitches >> to each cm. This meens >> that i have to start with 200 stitches at the top. >> Would this be two coarse for a gentlemans stockings? >> >> Bjarne > > Ok, that translates to 12.5 sts/inch--I believe that > is in the range for good stockings in the eighteenth > century. > > You may also wish to try, if you are not allergic, a > fine worsted-prep yarn for your stockings. Use a > similar size thread of wool that you have been of > cotton. > Wool is much, much, much nicer to knit than cotton or > silk. > > And 40 cm is only about 16 inches (to respond to > another poster), so that is not ridiculous. > If you knit [wool] stockings to the measurement of > your leg, they will be all baggy & not sleek and > smooth. > > I've heard between 75% and 90% of your leg > measurement, but 100% at the ankles for ease to don > the stocking. > > Good luck. > > Ann in CT > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:23:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JNtF8011299 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:23:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JNlYx027586; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JN0Lm067359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JMuS9040284; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:22:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JMpCO040177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1255F26285E for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:22:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:23:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:23:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B843.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i ask where did you buy your knitted material. I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i could use. Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet danse tricot pans i use............. laughs............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KELLY" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings Have you considered doing a "cut and sewn" stocking? I have used the pattern from Kanniks Korner (www.kannikskorner.com #KK-6001 "Stockings, Pockets, Mitts) with great success using both cotton and wool knit fabric. I've not yet found an appropriate silk knit fabric, however, this fall when unpacking my winter clothes, I had an "Aha!!" moment - and am considering utilizing the fabric in a pair of silk long johns; they are not quite a pure white, but pretty close. By doing some simple customizing of the pattern, you can have perfectly fitting stockings; no more baggy ankles or heels half way up the calf. An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under Civil War items. (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by far the most common for our time period) And of course, you could do some fabulous clockwork before assembling them. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:30:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JUNhf011500 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:30:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JUE6l000537; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JTDY5068516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JT9iO046425; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JT52x046238 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:29:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.102c3902 (15889) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d34 (mblk-d34.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.218]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e1143c2b97625c; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E36A100705E5-CEC-1C46@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:28:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200601090831.k098V5ra002067@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.218 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:30:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2B9C6.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Huh, so where did the drawers originate, then? Italy? Moorish women wore pants under their dresses; was it adapted from them, maybe? And you're probably right about warmth being a matter of perspective (I grew up in South Texas, about a day's drive from the tropics), but I also know it was supposed to be colder back then. Tea Rose Message: 12 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:49:06 -0600 From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JfC6r011760 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jf0Ff009995; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Je1p6070142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jdura056594; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jdn0m056391 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e0.4bd8db (4380) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2e0.4bd8db.30f415fc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2BC4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Apologies for going completely o-t, but I hope nobody (especially those involved) will mind me posting this here - am trying to spread the word as far as possible as quickly as possible. A garage used as a store by some members of Conquest has been raided, with some kit being stolen and the rest torched (burnt to ashes, for those not familiar with English slang). As I understand it, of the stuff in the garage, one tunic survived. Everything else is gone. This is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of kit which took decades to assemble. A full list of the stolen kit can be seen here http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1651 Please keep an eye out for any of the kit that will presumably at some point be for sale. Thanks Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:41:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JffRK011777 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09JfWQp017557; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:41:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09JYN6F069261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09J5DTU023339; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09J53k6022951 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.15d.5f17165b (4468) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.5f17165b.30f40dc7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:04:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:41:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2BC6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:48:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? **************** LOL _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 14:59:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jx82A012703 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:59:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Jwx0F025511; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Jql4e072115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09JqfGx069234; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueueb.post.tele.dk (pqueueb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Jqa61069108 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by pqueueb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A263DE8B7 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:25:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55cc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.204]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B1055EE072 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:25:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c61552$95c62450$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003a01c611ea$b4aaa6e0$9cd7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:26:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:59:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2C083.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Elizabeth, I have considered i could post a picture with me in the copy of Gustav III's wedding suit i made in pale blue duchesse satin. But i never got a propper photo of it. I will propose to Leif and beg him to make me a picture next weekend. But another story is that pale blue is not my colour, but never mind............ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Reveal your costumes to the world at Am I Period or Not > Good evening all, > Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about Am I Period > or Not but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a > trickle, so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new > photos (or even new outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your > work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. Those > who have a new outfit for 12th night celebrations remember to take a > camera with you and ask somebody to get your photo. > If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of > history, please consider submitting it to Am I Period Or Not (aka AIPON) > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/. The 16th century costumers still > seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any > other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many > other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what > costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed > like Lord of the Rings) > Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all > it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) > than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you > can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your > webpage for more info). > If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send > in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded > onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate > they > are and leave comments. While the original site was for pre 1600 costume > only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you > like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus > imaginary eras). > I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this > email. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 15:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09KENiV013044 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:14:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09KEFTf007942; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09KC0qN075593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09KBrcs088874; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k09KBeep088605 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73452 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2006 20:09:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WeAI1T8izPQsPSnSJWwpJQFVsOZVG4IpSLQNYkMBf+HxiGc1LUO2ft678+GerOoph2X2DiE3pq0CPBDn3+h7PmtYTd0L1g4wqX76f5A5c3iPbB3fITBsSVcb9RztBEMItJaxbbYwx1YanVBX4Jxan0zyvylnD6x9Hb1E0expHok= ; Message-ID: <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:09:48 PST Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:14:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2C417.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And try knitting them on circular needles. It makes a world of difference. THat silk is impossible to knit on straight doupble pointed needles. THey make circular needles in american 000 and 0. Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. Right now my silk and wool stocking experiment is on hold because the circular 000 I have is too large for the diameter of the stocking right now. I need another needle, but several projects and the holidays have interferred. And someone does make silk knit and sell it on the web, its jersey I think. I will have to look for my bookmark. G Street in MD/VA might even have some yardage, but it's been years since I've been there Making a pair of silk 18c stockings is on my list. Mia in Charlottetowne, NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 15:49:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Knk8c014317 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:49:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Kncs5007809; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09Kn7Tg082076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Kn1xr025784; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09KmkY2025587 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.256.470f865 (4468) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:48:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <256.470f865.30f42627@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:48:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2CC62.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/9/2006 2:15:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: Why on earth would they cast a woman who was that pregnant at the time of filming? Did they think no one would notice her odd shape? Sylrog ********************* Well, she may not have been [or didn't tell anyone she was] pregnant when the contracts were signed. She may be involved with more than just acting in the show [like producing it or putting up money somehow]. And, yes, no one may a cared anyway. Welcome to the entertainment industry! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 17:24:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MO4Q3018932 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:24:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MNuxG021970; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09MNFZ8096903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:23:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MMiAk014937; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MMYfC014804 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:22:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06371 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:22:33 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:21:39 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Thread-Index: AcYVVMhdBEGIZkM4RAmzmzZnc1x7iwAFQbRQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k09MMYfC014804 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:23:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2E27C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! No, it doesn't explain the Indian sari silks(well, Henry as a monarch, especially once ultra wealthy Wolsey crashed and burned, could import anything he wanted, even things that didn't exist at the time). It is all production values anyway and even in big budget Hollywood films, sets and costumes are just a small fraction of the budget. The main thing has always been to put what looks good onscreen to the majority of the audience viewing the drama, not historical accuracy. At least today's costumers aren't further limited by the old Hays code, just trying to keep some reasonable accuracy or any at all with the pressures of budget, the present aesthetic and whatever the director's vision is. I just kept waiting and wondering what went on during that rainy jousting scene. Did they plan to endanger humans and horses jousting in the rain, was it planned that way, or was the shooting schedule so tight that even when the English weather wasn't cooperating, they had to shoot rain and mud or not? Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 17:52:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09Mqnlo020059 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:52:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k09MqeKc008893; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k09MqKaJ001226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MqHPu041178; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MqEHe041143 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:52:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so1722317nfa for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:52:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LLygoLAddYm9tt9dnAP2p9brVUvLdc4zxZphRZw8s5g8gP9E9n0KdDll1gXfn/sJbGX9qmjq8LF+zqOB7oKpyx/iohs9JEoaw3WiEY9OasUcbKwjS6hw4ZgGA76SLK9OiRpPxuefE88rpanqDvHlGGx4L7+DWRbjmN9VP6JB8HI= Received: by 10.48.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr941955nfi; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:01:14 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k09MqEHe041143 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2E938.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. How do you knit two stockings at the same time? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 19:19:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A0J433022947 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:19:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A0Iuef001293; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:18:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A0HtC5012908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0Hk7q014496; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0HgXG014406 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id B808F233E0; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:17:44 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Received: from [206.45.181.50] by mprdmailfe10.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:17:44 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = a9d1485ab7398ed9f0c1678092c712ba From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:17:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:18:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C2FD70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The site is called Cheeptrims (2 e's), www.cheeptrims.com. They sell a lot of drek, but there are some real gems in there as well. They're really cheap (2 gross of buttons for $3.00 for example). The last time I ordered from them (last April?) they sold to anyone and the minimum was $60. Sadly it looks like that's changed. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < sue@victorianmillinery.com > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: sue@victorianmillinery.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Jurancich"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims


> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business
> is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they
> only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since
> they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have
> found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or
> 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.
>
> And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It
> was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.
>
> Joan
>
> At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had
>>the problem you speak of.
>>
>>Kathleen
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joan Jurancich"
>>To: "Historical Costume"
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
>>
>>
>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>> > >>Catching up here.
>> > >>
>> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you
>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal
>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and
>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is
>>fine.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Joan Jurancich
>> > >>joanmj@surewest.net
>> > >
>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a
>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.
>> > >
>> > >Melusine
>> >
>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,
>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had
>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not
>> > fill my order.
>> >
>> >
>> > Joan Jurancich
>> > joanmj@surewest.net
>
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oxVg026110 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oova026688; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1o6sD025195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1o521079658; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09Ml0Ti036710 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:46:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <230.4e39c93.30f35146@aol.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060109060936.01d43068@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:46:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2006 22:47:00.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[99FC1C20:01C6156E] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C312FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! nope, nore does it explain the silver lame Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Henry VIII > > >>>Ms. Bonham Carter was pregnant in reality when she filmed Henry Vlll, >>>hence the rather odd costume shape. >>> >>>Suzi > >>Aaaaahhhhhhh HA!( to quote a comercial on the local french network right >>now) >>Thanks for the insight, it explains a lot! >>Kelly > > > Doesn't explain the Indian saree silks though, does it? > > Suzi > >>>>I don't think I've ever seen it >>>>pooch out in front at the waist the way it does on Ms. Bonham Carter. >>>>I know there are a lot of English Renaissance experts on this list who >>>>can advise if this is correct or does it have something to do with the >>>>actress's own shape (on the busty side)? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1oxG9026111 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1opnm021041; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1nSE6025128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1nO69079197; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09MaOKT027226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k09M2pLv004719 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:58 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59363.64.156.242.51.1136844176.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:02:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:knit stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C312FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kelly said, > An example can be seen on website at www.backwardglances.net under > Civil War items. > (See Carolann - your class has stuck with me!!! And I have accumulated a > great deal of supporting documentation that this type of stockings is by > far the most common for our time period) Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I can tell, stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a short time. If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am very curious! From what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for the 19thC. The 1790s saw some very complex knit patterns in use that could be made "sideways" from the way stockings were normally frame knit. Also around that time was the use of the thread carrier, which made it faster (and cheaper) to knit yardgoods rather than the pieces knit to shape. "Cut ups" were a very cheap stocking, and their economic impact was the cause of Luddism of 1812, and the smashing of stocking frames by people who were put out of work. As machinery developed further, stockings were still knit to shape and also the circular knitter was used (examples are seen from the 1840s, with darts to shape them). The cut & sewn stockings of the 18thC (Bjarne's era) were actually made from woven cloth. Making stockings from silk knit fabric (for 18thC) is a good fake, however the seam allowances need to be treated carefully. The 1790-1810 cut-ups did not last long and were considered to be poor quality goods because of this. I did find a decent silk knit in New York a few years back, unfortunately not in white. I managed to use color remover on a few of the pastels to some limited success, and it could of course be dyed darker colors. Having examined quite a few 18th frame knit stockings, I am picky about the fabric. Most modern knits are made to be very stretchy, and the 18thC stockings are not. There are silk jersey knits out there, but I only found the one that was not very stretchy. Bjarne said, > There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg I could > use. That's from a frame knit silk stocking, and the pattern was done while on the frame as the stocking was knitted. It can be faked with a duplicate stitch. That technique fell out of use around 1750, which is why I asked what era you were aiming for. It all comes down to whether the stockings are supposed to be specific to an era or appropriate to a particular event or oufit, and exactly how particular and detailed anyone wants to be about it. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:51:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1pCVK026120 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:51:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1p4DY014201; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1oGKe025241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1oF0A079807; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k09NN91g069163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k09NMmwj002980 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:55 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59387.64.156.242.51.1136848973.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C31308.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? One inside the other, with two sets of stitches (every other stitch from the other sock) on your needles and two yarn sources. With my luck I would mess up and knit them together at some point. :-) But I have heard of this as a "normal" way to knit socks. Something I did once was to have two socks going on two sets of needles. I would knit one row around to the center back, then do the same with the other stocking, and back and forth like that. I was playing with a diamond pattern and increases/decreases at the same time, so it was the only way to maintain a bit of sanity. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 20:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1qMtQ026138 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A1qEiG029523; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A1pq7Z025439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A1pq82081027; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn4.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A0LZON017177 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 6F45B233DB; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:38 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims Received: from [206.45.181.50] by mprdmailfe10.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:21:38 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = a9d1485ab7398ed9f0c1678092c712ba From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060110002138.6F45B233DB@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:52:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3134E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I live in Winnipeg, Canada and they had no qualms about mailing out of the States. Wendy www.hecate.ca/emma/ --- On Sun 01/08, Sue < sue@victorianmillinery.com > wrote: From: Sue [mailto: sue@victorianmillinery.com] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims What company are you all talking about?
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Jurancich"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims


> Maybe it's because I live in California, the state where the business
> is located. All I know is that I was told on the phone that they
> only sell wholesale and would not fill my order. It's annoying since
> they are the only source of (inexpensive) cotton twill tape I have
> found. Fortunately, a 100-yard roll of 1/2-inch twill tape (or
> 250-yard in narrower sizes) last a long time.
>
> And they must have increased their minimum order amount again. It
> was $60 when I ordered in June 2005.
>
> Joan
>
> At 05:51 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Very curious! I have been ordering from them for years and have never had
>>the problem you speak of.
>>
>>Kathleen
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joan Jurancich"
>>To: "Historical Costume"
>>Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cheap Trims
>>
>>
>> > At 11:19 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
>> > >>Catching up here.
>> > >>
>> > >>They only sell wholesale, so unless you have a resale number you
>> > >>won't be able to use them (recent personal
>> > >>experience). Fortunately, I have a friend with a resale number and
>> > >>I just pay him the wholesale plus state sales tax and everything is
>>fine.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Joan Jurancich
>> > >>joanmj@surewest.net
>> > >
>> > >I've ordered from them fairly recently (Aug) and didn't need a
>> > >resale number. I have one, but they didn't ask for it.
>> > >
>> > >Melusine
>> >
>> > My experience in June was that they simply never filled my order,
>> > even though they sent me a confirmatory email. Then, nothing. I had
>> > to call them to find out what had happened. And they still did not
>> > fill my order.
>> >
>> >
>> > Joan Jurancich
>> > joanmj@surewest.net
>
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 21:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2FHBb027014 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2F8xD009143; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:15:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A2Edth028350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A2Ec7C094997; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A2EYjO094959 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2257 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2006 02:13:04 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:13:04 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1661.67.188.164.116.1136859419.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:15:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C318AC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. My question is....what is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are you supposed to tell? I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share your knowledge! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 21:21:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2LriR027168 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:21:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A2LjZJ013457; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:21:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A2L9pN029150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A2L8IE099126; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A2L3QT099026 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:21:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB6GGR6AAA3GWS for (sender ); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LEBQV3DF; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:20:33 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:19:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv Message-ID: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,21-24 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 9:4:254661621 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7lzTZljtbXiWpYgSTKchNehijUW5dvTi8A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C31A39.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > OPINION ALERT! > Well, I watched it tonight - I thought the women's costuming was 10x > worse than the men's (as usual) with rather odd headdresses in > particular. In my opinion it greatly resembled the 19th century > view > of the 16th century - it was to Henry and his wives what many in the > 19th century thought of "poor Mary Queen of Scots" and "the evil > Queen Elizabeth" - their ideas (not mine!!!!). I found it to be > rather tabloid feeling in its approach to the entire thing, and > while > strictly correct in facts, attributed a lot of emotions that I think > they would be hard pressed to document. Catherine of Aragon came > across as the wronged noble, almost saintly queen, and they stated > outright that Henry went mad as he got older! They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. Leah *Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 22:08:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A38HMg027863 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:08:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A3881Y010666; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A3738j034315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A36wHq027430; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A36tlm027390 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m132.in-tch.com [216.166.191.132]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0A2wpb16624 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:13:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:08:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C32518.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! There are apparently several very inventive methods, but the one I've heard of most often involves creating a loop of some sort in the cable for the circular needle--there are actually books available on the technique, here in the U.S. Not something I've tried (I'm plenty happy knitting mine one at a time with DPNs), but I've heard of them. You could probably find something online pretty easily. I just googled for "magic loop" and "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hope that gives you some idea of what the technique is.... --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go to. > > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:05:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A45MYe028822 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:05:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A45Amg012741; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:05:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A42vp0040830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A42txu060687; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav17.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A42qeS060653 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:01:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:01:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110001744.B808F233E0@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1661.67.188.164.116.1136859419.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:01:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 04:01:25.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[86B518C0:01C6159A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33276.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If is shows up on eBay contact their customer serivce. To sell items on eBay you can have customer protection and use their policies against the perpuratrator. They will end any auction if it is suspected as stolen property. They will also notify the police. Each account that sells on eBay MUST have a bank account. Someone had to list one to place an auction on eBay. I'm sure they will try to help recover the costume IF it shows up on line. I'd write and ask their customer serivce department. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stolen Items-question >I was thinking about Toni Whyte's costume and jewelry being stolen and it > is a terrible thing to have happen. It has been cross-posted to almost > every list I am on so the word is definitely getting out. > > My question is....what is one supposed to do if they find an item on ebay > or for sale somewhere? How can the item be recovered safely and who are > you supposed to tell? > > I am sure someone out there has had experience with this--please share > your knowledge! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:21:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4LXUk029055 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:21:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4LOtA022596; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:21:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A4Kch4043083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4KQ9a072433; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4KCZa072268 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so1749552nfa for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:20:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=duNR8+oAdAu+ytSlwZO7AnA9d52azL8XFqs8iBLRoGjaV4iOMdKhO7v/xPl6YrNMdDCXWe9AqpcHsX6xWCqcXEczzk6KrSiHOVPihTrIcSC7xozg7iF97Dl5zdYViU0CfrYqwAYxm73bwUdLEfLiqJFrUmB8ez9pbE/oOgDsTgg= Received: by 10.48.48.12 with SMTP id v12mr45315nfv; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:20:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601092020t171e6cf8m@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:20:01 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0A4KCZa072268 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:21:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33644.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I just googled for "magic loop" and > "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: > http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html > http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf Hm. Thanks. It doesn't look practical. I was hoping it would be something I would want to use, to avoid my tendency of getting bored after I've understood how to do something (i.e. I'd love to knit one stocking, but would never finish the second because I've already done it and would prefer moving to something else - knitting both at the same time would have solved the problem). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 9 23:57:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4vCh4029391 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4v4CQ010166; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A4uUK2048274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A4uP3E093400; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A4uLne093322 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 4879 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 04:56:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WTKJVXv5EaR+JZzjeySbiQT0X8Iihn5BorukKPGgwl2HJGaMNuI60adXInjqVxEhxviZ/T+vCyBU0hxnh7sX/fHF2RqsCH3yHRGX8sDHEDGmPskYYsL79wr0pFzRxI2a2gUBsRi5H8UgwN+mVMAq+BttDJaSI1vPyycEh4JbZkE= ; Message-ID: <20060110045614.4877.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:56:14 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:56:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: costume gallery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003001c61443$3d9bc1a0$6400a8c0@Penny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C33EA0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Penny Ladnier wrote: Alex, The link I gave, http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html , shows the process of how we clean the images. We have a link on the front page of Library. What time frame are you in? Ah, excellant then. I do 16th century primarily, sometimes 14th century. I've toyed with the idea of doing other eras, but I really feel if I can't wear it somewhere, it's not practical for me to make. And I have so much on my plate right now, that finding another group to play with is right out. There are times when I'm very tempted, but I try not to stray too much. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:26:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6QfHK030843 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6QW0i028040; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6Ps5V057271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6PpA4043552; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6Pkps043513 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=phY2ck+lMBfGTLWROJq3bebSWHG6WCPr/McMTu6LBV86vcozmNC6WgRa2XaypKwI; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwCx0-0005jM-U3 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:25:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74249692-6643-4F5F-9DF8-567A037E7043@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:26:01 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a9855becb85a31de5a0748b72bd3abe6003f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C35398.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:48:17 -0500 (EST) > From: Kathy Page > Subject: [h-cost] Italian Underwear > > I am gearing up for my visit to the Met to document > their 16th century Sicilian Bride underpinning > collection and a pair of chopines. > This delay has proven fortuitous in that the curator, > knowing how much we are trying to cover in a short > period of time, gave us an additional 2 hours with the > collection, totalling 6 hours of delerious pleasure > with 2 pairs of drawers, 2 chemises, a shirt, a pair > of stockings and a pair of chopines. On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6glTf031208 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6gc3d003987; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6gNbL058759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6gJkK051942; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6gEIn051837 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:42:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elinorsalter@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.127.101] (c-24-1-202-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.202.223]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2006011006420801500e02v6e>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:42:08 +0000 Message-ID: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:42:06 -0600 From: Elinor Salter User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:42:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3575E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > > >They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was >suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" >with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line >about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't >menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only >remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses >at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. > >Leah > >*Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the >syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by syphilis? What's the name of your book - I'd like to keep an eye out for it. I do love the genre of diagnosing past medical mysteries. -- Elinor Salter _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 01:50:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6nwl4031384 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A6noIJ007321; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A6mweA059508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6muBh055560; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A6monw055497 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-227.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.227]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2006 14:48:45 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43C35A75.8010609@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:55:49 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Classes in Canberra, Australia X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3590E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, starting in February, Aylwen Garden be teaching some daytime sewing classes for women through the Brain Gym in Woden, Canberra. Cost per 8 week class is $150, with materials extra (ie, light linen). Benefit of this - you are taken through everything, and you work together in a social environment. Please let Aylwen know asap if you're interested. Numbers are limited. Venue: 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla Times: 9:30am - 12pm. Weds: Historical Sewing Projects - Renaissance Ladies Underwear - smock, partlet & cap and an introduction to blackwork embroidery. Materials cost extra. Friday: Historical Sewing Projects - Regency Ladies Underwear - bodiced petticoat, pantalets and chemisette. Materials cost extra. Regards, Aylwen aylwen@earthlydelights.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 04:47:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A9ldwe002038 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A9lVle006748; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A9kWJt079674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0A9kP1A055899; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0A9kNLZ055845 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freyalynn@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97522 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 09:46:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0/Kn8t9yMfWR9Q6lyul73NBdUFbyKgqUfDEuaHzZSlNOBkl5Jer5ZmgRtIVBE6Nj7+rs86AUlcqcxF4YaRJiYnptuPdiWmUVZiLcajM4pB8ExZ0BGkFTQsguddmLEcgtv4CUDxd9h5ULEnB1lJ/qIt5iAJglZtFPrRglEkxaPPo= ; Message-ID: <20060110094618.97520.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.168.163] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:18 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601100150.k0A1oNIT079901@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:47:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C382B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap prezzie yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past Christmas, I think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black hole rather than just being delayed. Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 05:52:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AAqjgh017347 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AAqbTi010911; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AAq2HO087309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AAq0QL093227; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AApupi093162 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [212.227.126.203] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1EwH6Z-0007Sy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.152] (helo=pustefix152.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1EwH6Z-0004XF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 Message-Id: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: feudtner@festefeiern-online.de To: Subject: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 5525480 X-Routing: DE X-Message-Id: <5525480$1136890315119172.23.4.15224127242@pustefix152.kundenserver.de-1790217657> X-Received: from pustefix152.kundenserver.de by 213.69.142.158 with HTTP id 5525480 for [h-costume@indra.com]; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 CET Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:55 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.4.152 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AApupi093162 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:52:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C391F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I did not get mine either. I am in Germany. Michaela >Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap >prezzie yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past >Christmas, I think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black >hole rather than just being delayed. > > Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 06:11:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ABBPE3019119 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ABBHS7021420; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ABAvKm089037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ABAukZ003242; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ABAsTG003225 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so4801427nzn for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=qgqotis5w0w31K/xVzTBh+eQtHLZq4EwnNjQzksYj+N5G87+r4vUMDLUD4BaQ4AK10nAlUpUJG8ynpQCp+19jJrCBZ8Sp9n9R0t4hYDv+MdwkptHTTyUa3aMNYOUSSyTejX2OyQOKewFzl54MniDNKI6Mc26froJFyhpObDfo80= Received: by 10.36.72.12 with SMTP id u12mr1408072nza; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [58.165.60.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm1562561nzn.2006.01.10.03.10.51; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:10:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060110220518.03c21190@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:10:50 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C39655.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Perhaps it would be best for people to email Dawn directly as she has the master list of who was suppose to send to who and also has all the contact details and would therefore able to help? Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 08:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ADlOtr003926 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ADlEDr018438; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ADkUTC006062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ADkPGp092673; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ADkIVe092559 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0ADkCO29852.; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:12 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:00 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ADkIVe092559 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3BAE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg No doubt in cold weather they put on extra petticoats. After all, underwear was simply a washable lining to your outer clothes; if you didn't wear breeches, you didn't need drawers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> heather.jones@earthlink.net 10/01/2006 06:26 >>> On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 09:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEFAXG004370 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEF2fs009227; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AEDR1l009211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AEDOdQ014122; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AEDKGU013910 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A0F90278; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:13:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Jan 2006 09:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:14:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:15:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3C166.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can even turn a heel!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > There are apparently several very inventive methods, but the one I've heard > of most often involves creating a loop of some sort in the cable for the > circular needle--there are actually books available on the technique, here > in the U.S. Not something I've tried (I'm plenty happy knitting mine one at > a time with DPNs), but I've heard of them. You could probably find > something online pretty easily. I just googled for "magic loop" and > "knitting," and came up with these links, among many: > http://www.az.com/~andrade/knit/mloop.html > http://www.knitaddicted.com/files/MagicLoop.pdf > > Hope that gives you some idea of what the technique is.... > --Sue in Montana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > > > > Using two circular needles to knit one stocking or even two at a time > > > is a technique suggested to me by a knitting group that I sometimes go > to. > > > > How do you knit two stockings at the same time? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 09:24:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEOX4x004474 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEOMRE017319; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AENpfF010379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AENoOq021984; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0AENlr4021908 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94841 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 14:23:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kyiW6k2WeeI4hLu8cHntRJ1HDNbh1kdyOB/NEkE4I6gzHwLY5uLbNfF2sBkzOaDpLMm/ypWk//i+48DNGu7m8w/PuCDfrFTBd0bGMgruU7bQBfplqk18NoqdAJhmdrWTqKm4okOJR91httsZXflH765IiDuJ9n3ktmGMxv017KQ= ; Message-ID: <20060110142341.94839.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:23:41 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601100150.k0A1oNIT079901@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:stockings/two socks at same time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3C396.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just finished a pair of knit from the toe up/ knit two at a time socks on two circular needles. While it was an intersting challenge, I don't think I'll do it that way again. Didn't like the toe and didn't like the binding off at the end of the cuff. I did like the use of two circular needles though I've used cotton jersey sheets to good effect in the constuction of 18c stockings (hose?).. They are a bit more stable and a bit less stetchy and while they don't last too to long, they are cheep. Truly period? probably not, but I'm one of the one's that has to be very careful of their feet and legs. I can control the size better with hand done stockings than with store bought. Needs must when the devil drives, especially on tender feet. And no more blisters (or at leat LESS blisters) Now i'll have to go look at the historic knit site, just what I need, another distr4actions ah well, it's wehat makes life intersting. Mia in Charlotte NC --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 12:18:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHIhiU007248 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHIXfb006400; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AHHcPA050609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHHI4E071752; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHHEkI071592 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISV005SBZYNLDE0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:15:56 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another period program on tv In-reply-to: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3EC6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Actually I saw that codpiece info also, and it was written , I believe, by a doctor, not a costume historian. If I can find it, I will post a link. Dame Catriona MacDuff -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Elinor Salter Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv > > >They aren't the only one, I've got a book that "proves" Henry was >suffering from neurosyphilis* by the time he decided to, er, "break up" >with Anne. It's pretty flimsy evidence (supposedly Elizabeth's line >about being a "barren stock" after James was born meant she didn't >menstruate, so obviously she was suffering from inherited syphilis), only >remotely plausible because Henry wasn't exactly faithful to his spouses >at a time when there wasn't any way to prevent STDs. > >Leah > >*Or tertiary syphilis, I've seen both terms -- what happens when the >syphilis spirochete starts damaging your brain. > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by syphilis? What's the name of your book - I'd like to keep an eye out for it. I do love the genre of diagnosing past medical mysteries. -- Elinor Salter _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 12:36:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHaGt8007610 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AHa5TR021130; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AHYOYX053016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHO6qe078264; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHNrSk077986 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0ISW002BO0ALHC20@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:23:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:23:05 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3F085.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th C. inovations. Dame Catriona MacDuff Interested in 16th C. womens issues -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg No doubt in cold weather they put on extra petticoats. After all, underwear was simply a washable lining to your outer clothes; if you didn't wear breeches, you didn't need drawers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> heather.jones@earthlink.net 10/01/2006 06:26 >>> On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:53 PM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, > possibly? I > usually do English. > > And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > gets COLD there. > > Thanks for your forbearance, > Tea Rose > My observation, in my research on this general topic, is that logic and practicality are absolutely no guide to the attitudes of a given culture at a given period towards women and underpants. Women either wore them or didn't wear them because it was the appropriate thing to do in their social context and not for any other objective reason. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 13:27:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AIRVwc008506 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AIRMtW004222; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AIQlaV068376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AIQJEN040480; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AIQ9Vd040239 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s13so2397194wxc for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fIV93XMl/08/mVXgGOhmIogyv87xK3z24Bz7trpgg9VWVE0m4Wx8Y09a+0sqroEofRKOh9veUF5LIWTghdfqO/utCjyUKkt3DkMXb/HbqJksqg20eMqthDvj+ofwlBDcwr80Ld6FxjCFgt4IDfCp/yhy82KDbqiXCKoJpn1JxIo= Received: by 10.70.89.3 with SMTP id m3mr591759wxb; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.18 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e6527830601101025n4dbc9f71u63224de3b7076c10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:25:58 -0600 From: jordana robinson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AIQ9Vd040239 Subject: [h-cost] victorian millinery - faux feathers from silk ribbons? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:27:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C3FC8A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! a few years ago i took an accessory design class which had a millinery component. when we were learning how to make silk flowers, the teacher brought in a reprint of a victorian (at least i think, but possibly 1920s) millinery trimmings manual that included directions on how to make realistic faux feathers out of silk ribbon. has anybody on the list heard of anything like this? i've been unable to track down that millinery manual or any other reference to making silk feathers online. i'd like to eventually make a german renaissance gown, accessorized with the big foofy hat, but i'd like to avoid trimming the hat with actual bird feathers due to personal ethical concerns. thanks, jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 14:19:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJJRuT009297 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJJJOb018318; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AJIjaP076339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJGP07089544; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJGJ6d089436 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EwOyg-000DiB-8E for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:16:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:15:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <96.355b3874.30f35463@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109014241.01d0f2d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C408B7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I got "The Letters of Abelard and Heloise" for Christmas, and was interested to come across this quote today. Heloise is asking Abelard to draw up a rule for her convent, pointing out that the existing monastic Rule of St Benedict makes no provision for nuns, so they cannot follow it properly. And the first example she cites is: "Leaving aside for the moment the other articles of the Rule; how can women be concerned with what is written there about cowls, drawers or scapulars? Or indeed, with tunics or woollen garments worn next to the skin, when the monthly purging of their superfluous humours must avoid such things?" Of course, this is a 1970s translation of medieval latin clothing terms, but I think we can probably rely on "drawers" and "woollen garments". Caution probably required with "tunics" ;-) Jean Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote >Greetings! > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers >would be rather immaterial. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I >>usually do English. >> >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It >>gets COLD there. >> >>Thanks for your forbearance, >>Tea Rose > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 14:41:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJfuiK009623 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AJfl8h005349; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AJeOat079470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJeJX0012198; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJeEkB012040 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006011019400801400qcg07e>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:08 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:07 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:07 +0000 Message-Id: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C40DFB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the History Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods Europe was going through what historians/scientists considered a "mini Ice Age". Plus, my finace' who was stationed in Europe has mentioned that when he was involved with Ren faires and the like that the castles were quite chilly. Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common for men to wear underwear and not women? I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) Roscelin > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > >Greetings! > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > >would be rather immaterial. > > > >Cheers, > >Danielle > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I > >>usually do English. > >> > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It > >>gets COLD there. > >> > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > >>Tea Rose > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:06:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK66Qm010011 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK5wId026719; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsK082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHsYvu008415; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHsO6e008234 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0AHsIj23780.; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:18 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:01 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AHsO6e008234 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C413A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! We don't really know - such information was too well known/too distasteful to be written down anywhere. Protection that sticks on to the underwear is a very recent development, however. Previously a belt arrangement was used, for which pants were not strictly necessary. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> monicaspence@optonline.net 10/01/2006 17:23 >>> This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th C. inovations. Dame Catriona MacDuff Interested in 16th C. womens issues ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:06:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK6DXJ010015 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AK65cG028935; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsQ082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJDX7B086789; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJDDAZ086436 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24974 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:41:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:41:32 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C413AD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >>> monicaspence@optonline.net 10/01/2006 17:23 >>> > This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did > 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I > know, but how were they held up? > We don't really know - such information was too well known/too > distasteful to be written down anywhere. Protection that sticks on to > the underwear is a very recent development, however. Previously a belt > arrangement was used, for which pants were not strictly necessary. Self-stick came in when I was in high school. When I started needing protection in the mid-1970s, we used belts, and belt-style pads were still sold for many years after that. There are occasional written references from the middle ages to menstrual cloths (the one I recall was in the context of a nasty comparison of someone/something as being as foul as one, but I'm afraid I read that before I started keeping track of citations, so I don't recall where it was). For someone who isn't starting from an assumption of the presence of underwear, it's a no-brainer to assume the cloths were either tied up with a diaper sort of arrangement or held in place via a belt. And in fact, Poul Norlund's team found the remnants of a sort of belt on one of the female corpses in Herjolfsnes, Greenland. If I remember right without hauling down the notes, it was an arrangement of linen (rag?) pad within a piece of sealskin slung between the legs, which was held by a linen cord around the hips -- sort of a string bikini. The information is tucked into the medical section of the 1924 archaeological report, not with the clothing, so is often overlooked by people who see and read only the clothing section written by Norlund. I don't think it's mentioned at all by Else Ostergard in Woven into the Earth. The doctor writing the 1924 medical analysis concluded from the deformities in the woman's bones that she might have been incontinent, and deduced that the pad was thus an incontinence pad. Heather Rose Jones has pointed out on this list (and I agree) that it could as easily have been a menstrual pad, a possibility not mentioned at all by the doctor. Either way, though, it shows that at least one medieval woman had a means for catching fluids. (I find it particularly interesting that the people preparing her body for burial did not remove the pad.) (In case all that looks familiar, I cribbed most of it from a post I wrote to this list in September 2004, the last time this came up. And that wasn't the first time we talked about it!) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:11:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKBEBM010131 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKB608030990; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AK4KsM082607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHufmF010540; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AHuS27010311 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011017562301300dcjhhe>; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:23 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:20 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:56:20 +0000 Message-Id: <011020061756.22382.43C3F54400035AB70000576E22073000339C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C414DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! The gift I am supposed to send out is going out to my giftee late because I had a bad fall and screwed up my hand and arm (which is a lot better now). Actually it will be going out this week. Unfortunately, the gift is not to anyone in Europe. It would be nice if those who owe gifts to anyone contact Dawn, as I did, and let her know that there has been some sort of delay. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Freyalynn Close-Hainsworth > Is there anyone else out there who hasn't had their Christmas Santa swap prezzie > yet, or is it just me? With it now being a couple of weeks past Christmas, I > think mine must have disappeared into the postal service's black hole rather > than just being delayed. > > Freyalyn in West Yorkshire, England > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 15:38:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKcmb5010663 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AKcdS8021580; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AKanoQ087426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKahNa065542; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav16.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKadcS065409 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:36:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:36:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:36:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 20:36:35.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C8A6940:01C61625] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C41B4F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Up until recently...like the late 1960's, women didn't need underwear to deal with the products used during their cycles. Belts and rags were the choice of the day. Since skirts were worn by women, and their smocks, shifts, chemises were long enough to protect their dresses from any body dirt, along with petticoats, you don't really need underwear. But then men didn't really wear much in the line of underwear for the most part either. Their shirts would have been breeched up around their knarly bits to protect the inside of their breeches. Weird practice though, to my modern eye...why would you give up wearing underwear? Men were wearing braies very early on in history...why give them up? Ahhh! Fashion...it's a fickle thing! Kelly > Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do > during their monthly cycles? 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Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:06:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL6Lrp011663 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL6BLb012450; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AL4LVL091893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKxVYG089147; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKGmI7046868 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so2475930wra for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D2HZye7wJKN83wAFwnmOe4i6BwM3t5YHxzGNlKnzCLqbwf2Y0fnaaRMK4yabzJJb/+7KDEdY2obZTN6Io/kaLojkeidqZQ2vNKdcYA+E44fqK+FnpdaxrNymRnrNPsBt0mD158oBGYwvk6M4wiuJgw2aB/RkNjnrD8dKYMiFLSw= Received: by 10.65.133.10 with SMTP id k10mr3304738qbn; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.6 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:16:48 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C421C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0AL6Lrp011663 If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary protection much during their life. On 10/01/06, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the History > Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods Europe was going > through what historians/scientists considered a "mini Ice Age". Plus, my > finace' who was stationed in Europe has mentioned that when he was involved > with Ren faires and the like that the castles were quite chilly. > > Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did women do > during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common for men to wear > underwear and not women? > > I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) > > Roscelin > > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > > >Greetings! > > > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > > >would be rather immaterial. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Danielle > > > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies > didn't wear > > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? > I > > >>usually do English. > > >> > > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to > England. It > > >>gets COLD there. > > >> > > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > > >>Tea Rose > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >h-costume mailing list > > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > > Jean Waddie > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:07:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL7Igu011678 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AL7A7j013949; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AL4LVJ091893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AKxW7Y089170; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AJtDKs026707 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688002748E for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D398EDBB for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:58 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Thread-Index: AcYUQwusrceFrMLKSk6F74z3bikTSQB02y7w From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 19:53:58.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[983AB7A0:01C6161F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0AJtDKs026707 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C421FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm wondering about how compressible that they are. Will she > squish down indefinately with a corset? Say, should I have > one that fits, and then lace her into it to *that* place > because on her it will tighten far more than it does on me? > I even wondered about making a couple of different shells -- > say one for the appropriate level of "squished-ness" for an > Italian -- because I generally don't wear a corset with those. This replay is a little late, but I didn't notice anyone else answering, so here's my experience: I have a Uniquely You dress dummy, and she doesn't compress well at all -- this may be due to the fact that I'm on the small end of the size dress dummy they suggest I buy. I have a great deal of trouble zipping up the sloper that compresses her into my modern shape - I needed my husband to help hold the sloper together while I zipped, and he didn't think we could do it! My corsets will not fit on top of her -- she doesn't have enough squish left. I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). And (2) that the dress form's bust is so firm that I'm not convinced that I can move it into the proper corseted location. However, this is what I'd recommend trying in order to represent your different levels of squish :-). Do note, that if you leave one sloper on the dress form, after awhile the padding will squash into that shape, and won't "rebound" well. Good luck and enjoy! -sunshine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 16:49:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALnwjA012769 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALnmQG015310; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ALn4fO098088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALmr4D032689; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALmfQB032462 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67D24690 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903D7729 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:34 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071701A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cleveland, Ohio Thread-Index: AcYVUyGOQEhDF2U+SfeoNtqT1JNdrgAyOCBw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2006 21:48:34.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B1E0E30:01C6162F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ALmfQB032462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C42BFC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi! I didn't see anyone else answer this so I'm going to take a stab -- I just moved to Cleveland though, so I may not be the best person :-) Unfortunately the Cleveland Museum of Art (which has a lovely armor collection) is mostly closed for the next 2 years :-(. They do have one (and only one) exhibit open right now - its on the Arts & Crafts movement of the 19th century. There is one "artistic" dress displayed (I can't remember if it's a day dress or a tea-dress) which has absolutely lovely embroidery. Unfortunately they don't put a mirror behind it, so you have to kind of crane your neck and risk setting off the "you're too close to the artifacts" alarm to see the back side. Overall the exhibit has some lovely furniture pieces - and some fab glasswork, but I was rather disappointed. They didn't put a lot of context around the items so I didn't learn much that I hadn't already known. If you are interested in 20th century stuff the Case Western Reserve Museum had a lovely 20s exhibit. Very inspiring -- I scribbled all over my lunch bag - having forgotten my sketch book. I went a number of months ago, so they may be displaying something else, but they are always displaying _some_ fashion exhibit. Also the tour of the mid-late Victorian town house that is associated with their museum is great fun. :-) I can just imagine children sliding down the long wooden-floored hallway in "the children's wing" :-). I've been dying to get to the Kent State costume museum, but I haven't done so yet... It's not directly in Cleveland, but half and hour to an hour outside. There are probably more textile-related places to see, but those are the only ones I know about so far. Oh, no, that's not true -- the CSA lists the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as having textiles. But I haven't been there either, and I'm positive it's 20th century only :-) -sunshine > I will be traveling to Cleveland, Ohio next week - any > suggestions for must visit fabric or bead stores, museums, etc? > I've been invited to give a talk for "Quester's" group there > by a friend; the title is "From Here to There and Back Again: > A Guide to Travel in Antebellum America". As I don't have a > "proper" travel gown, I plan to dress entirely > inappropriately, i.e.. too colorful, too high style, large > hoop, too much jewelry, too much hand baggage, etc > > Thanks for any suggestions on places to visit, Kelly Dorman > Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 17:21:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMLKv4013815 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMLAOf005837; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AMKRVZ002276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMKMgF058769; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMKHgj058576 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110222007.BHWG2765.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:07 +1300 Received: from michaela ([219.89.187.125]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110222006.EIDB14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:06 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.17/226]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:08 +1300 Message-ID: <004501c61634$04125aa0$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c6162d$db5b7020$6401a8c0@PYC64> Subject: refitting smaller sizesRe: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:08 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:21:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C43356.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > But so much easier to take in than let out, isn't it? Not if you have changed shape or gone down more than a dress size:) Your proportions change and often shoulders and armscyes are the hardest to reshape after taking in elsewhere. It's often easier to make a new sloper etc than refit an old one. Last time I lost a lot of weight due to exercising and extremely restricted calories I totally changed shape and my forn still reflects it. My hips got narrower and my sholders broader. I really need to cut my dummy down and reshape the hips and shoulders. > Betsy, (with the same problem in the opposite direction, but resolved to > remedy the situation this year!! Using Walking/archery/low-carbs so far) Heh, I just rely too much on bread as a protein substitute. As a vegetarian I find protein sources either too expensive, too chemically enhanced or too filling (combining for full protein.) I do love tofu though so I may look into some more options to use it other than the obvious. Yay for it being summer here, I can eat salad until it comes out of my ears. And for the costume content: I need to lose a couple of kilos so I can happily wear a pretty dress or two for some singing comps in April. Two songs in costume! Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again for the musical theatre and What Would I Do for the G&S. Nice contrasting pieces, both options for costume I wanted to do for ages! http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm I've had the fabric since 2001 for the purpose but had no reason to make it. The other will be an early 18thC Mantua:) Or 1780s ensemble.. it depends on what is closer to the original concept of The Grand Duke. And now I need to decide on a song for the restricted section and possibly a sacred song... I don't want to do more than 4 classes. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 17:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMqNuv014602 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AMqFFv028310; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0AMpkVd006173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMpeDk084870; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0AMpaV9084729 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45958 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2006 22:51:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g/pt16mN8hjm+/uuSu8EtPcANZkpdTk2l9HUxR9U8AwitiUHUZ1bAM7YQJxDz2kVJeyPl0wps5QcYhizkoR2lkop9dzyNmV4hnTdM+6T2WpMIVi8c1UgpL49HbulI+U8uevWSSbADOxzkNSrzfo7GYtHuig5fRIvRPO/7sfhr4s= ; Message-ID: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:51:31 PST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060109113101.01d9bc10@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] att. Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C43A9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Bjarne. I have just discovered a source for "kammerdug" very fine linen. I don't know if it is of the right quality, but seems to. I have boiled it and it has kept the crisp hand. You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:06:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06Mx9016641 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06Er4011089; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B04Pwe015071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMBJVG051233; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AMBDWr051036 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110221042.QNHD10467.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:42 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.187.125]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060110221041.CNAA1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:41 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.371 [267.14.17/226]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:42 +1300 Message-ID: <003301c61632$b2838f20$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:10:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C44BF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Self-stick came in when I was in high school. When I started needing > protection in the mid-1970s, we used belts, and belt-style pads > were still sold for many years after that. And tampons were even older though apparently morality issues kept many women from wanting to try them, and advertising was pretty difficult for some time. http://www.mum.org/tamad36.htm And there was a dgap between European women getting to use them and American: http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/359/Kohen.html It's hard to believe a plug like option was never thought of before the 20thC http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/01/sarahk/hers/school/tampon.html Though I'm sure I read someone had found some better evidence somewhere.. But I can't find it. I'm sure there is a real research paper in there, but it's not going to be easy concidering the shame still felt by a lot of women from discussing their periods. I have a book called "The Woman Beautuful." In it menstruation is discussed, but wow! What a lot of hooey! A period should be clear or only lightly tinged with blood and if it was heavy you were guilty of "amavitive thoughts." My latin grammar is dreadful but it was along those lines. In other words shame on you for having a normal period for you must be lustful! And this book was written at the start of the 20thC. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 10/01/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:06:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06MT9016640 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B06DAL025526; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B04Pwc015071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALaH1C021878; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ALaAeA021736 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:32:54 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... 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But so much easier to take in than let out, isn't it? Betsy, (with the same problem in the opposite direction, but resolved to remedy the situation this year!! Using Walking/archery/low-carbs so far) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of sunshine_buchler@agilent.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... snippage I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). Good luck and enjoy! -sunshine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 19:28:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B0SDMB017167 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B0S4QY025802; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B0RfSF018329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B0Rdjk063681; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B0RZGL063630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:19910 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EwSbb-0004K1-2X for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:43 -0600 Message-ID: <02d501c6163a$c82eeab0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:08:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:28:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C45114.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! ----- Original Message ----- From: << I've considered making a second sloper of me in a Victorian corset, just to try and see. The reason I haven't done so already is (1) I've lost weight and the form doesn't fit me at all anymore. (Sigh. It's a good thing, but sad when your garb don't fit no more). And (2) that the dress form's bust is so firm that I'm not convinced that I can move it into the proper corseted location. However, this is what I'd recommend trying in order to represent your different levels of squish :-). Do note, that if you leave one sloper on the dress form, after awhile the padding will squash into that shape, and won't "rebound" well. >> You might want to try what I wound up having to do to fix mine (the bust was about 4 inches too low, and it was just plain too big to compress in various spots): I split the foam thing in two, along the plane where the two halves had been glued together. Then I carved out a bit of the foam from the inside, at the waist and hips, and across the upper bust (so that I could pre-compress the foam there) and glued the two halves back together. Worked like a charm, except that afterwards I had to trim 4 inches off the bottom of the back half so both would be the same height! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 20:13:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B1DDOr018286 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B1D5es022368; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B1CJvR024606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B1CFEK093842; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B1CBUn093793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:20362 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EwUWs-000414-ON for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C45BA1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Speaking of fine linen, I think I may have just gotten quite a bit of that myself. It's pure linen according to the manufacturer, but... If you saw this stuff, you'd understand why I'm hesitant to take their word for it. (Especially since the pure linen thing is second hand info, albeit from a source I trust.) It looks like a high quality cotton muslin, or maybe cotton sheeting old enough to be worn thin, and though there are a few very faint slubs you have to look at it from a few inches away to notice them. It's not fine when compared to finely woven cottons; it's only fine when compared with other linens. I've done a burn test. However, since this stuff is so thin, the results aren't entirely clear to me. For example, it ignites quickly, but so would just about anything that thin. It burns black then after a couple of seconds leaves a thin feathery gray ash, in the same shape as the fabric, which pretty much dissolves at a touch. The fabric near the edge of the ash is a bit brittle, but not enough that I can really distinguish it from cotton that way. I also tried unraveling the fibers, but again, they're so tiny it's hard to tell or even to unravel them at all. Overall, they're no longer than an inch or so, but from what I've read it's common for fabricmakers to treat other fibers as cotton, and to shred 'em so that they can be spun on their cotton equipment. This stuff does have a bit more stretch to it than cotton would, but less than lycra cotton would; it's also got a bit of that 'cool' feel to it, but it's hard to tell for sure, again, because it's so finely woven. When wet, it does seem to hold a bit more water than a cotton of the same thickness. I have about 8 yards of it in white, and about 16 of it in lavender. The lavender is less stretchy than the white, but still has about the stretch of a linen. The lavender is apparently unbleachable! but lately I've run into several linens that I'm sure ARE linen but have been dyed with some mutant unbleachable dye, so I'm not going by that. Besides, if I did, I'd have to assume it was some sort of man-made fiber, and I'm positive as I can be that it's not. Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before I'll use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking and touching; this is frustrating! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:07:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B36w4T025014 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B36nCu028720; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:06:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B35t6R038692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B35n42065208; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B35hqG065131 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E005C276 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:05:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C475FF.7020305@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:05:35 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another period program on tv References: <20060109.201911.1208.2.LLWatts@juno.com> <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <43C3573E.7030605@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47649.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >> > Have you also read the theory that one reason for the development of > the codpiece was to help serve as a pouch to disguise (or prevent > staining on clothing by) external treatments for the rashes caused by > syphilis? > > Classic situation of somebody with a PiledHigh and Deep degree working > out of their area of knowledge. The 16th Cent. codpiece was a logical > extension (pardon the pun) of the earlier versions which covered the > join of hose. That is like saying that the rise of poulaines as a > footwear was in response to an historical elongation of the middle > toe, or the Elizabethan ruff as a preventative for the gathering of > dandruff on fashionable clothing. Poor grasp of the subject combined > with a taste for the theatrical does not a reasonable theory make. > Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:20:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3JwKq025244 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:20:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3JnaC003848; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B3JO3f040727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3JMfG074629; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3HDRn073139 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457A65C272 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:17:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:17:06 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:19:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47955.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, All. There was also a consideration that the belt was there to help keep in place a pessary of cloth, a sort of "plug" to assist with a condition called "prolapsed uterus". With no real human tissue left in place, it was an assumption, but a proceedure similar to it is mentioned in 16th Cent. medical texts. Mike T. >And in fact, Poul Norlund's team found the remnants of a sort of belt on >one of the female corpses in Herjolfsnes, Greenland. If I remember right >without hauling down the notes, it was an arrangement of linen (rag?) pad >within a piece of sealskin slung between the legs, which was held by a >linen cord around the hips -- sort of a string bikini. The information is >tucked into the medical section of the 1924 archaeological report, not >with the clothing, so is often overlooked by people who see and read only >the clothing section written by Norlund. I don't think it's mentioned at >all by Else Ostergard in Woven into the Earth. > >The doctor writing the 1924 medical analysis concluded from the >deformities in the woman's bones that she might have been incontinent, and >deduced that the pad was thus an incontinence pad. Heather Rose Jones has >pointed out on this list (and I agree) that it could as easily have been a >menstrual pad, a possibility not mentioned at all by the doctor. Either >way, though, it shows that at least one medieval woman had a means for >catching fluids. (I find it particularly interesting that the people >preparing her body for burial did not remove the pad.) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 22:26:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3PsKn025351 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3PkWp007479; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B3PRRx041691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3PQUQ078696; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B3PNIG078649 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01LXN8ZW0Z74ACABUP@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:04 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01LXN8ZOBFW29VVOH0@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:24:54 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:06 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-reply-to: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C47A92.1060308@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <43C478B2.3070201@dandy.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:25:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C47ABA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. There was also a consideration that the belt was there to > help keep in place a pessary of cloth, a sort of "plug" to assist with > a condition called "prolapsed uterus". With no real human tissue left > in place, it was an assumption, but a proceedure similar to it is > mentioned in 16th Cent. medical texts. Mike T. Wait, wait, I have an Occam's Razor here somewhere! -- Adele de Maisieres ***************************** Book now for Canterbury Faire http://sg.sca.org.nz/cf.htm ***************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 23:15:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4FxBw026609 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4Fopg004107; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B4E8L9047228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4E35L010019; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0B4Dubl009911 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 43206 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 04:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketYMMF:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vMa0HAAXcbgPJS6soCmKm4uAGNbf553hS1cOP219B4j6PsaTMt0mLTn18XlKoHHN/DSFS3Ru9g3FYrr8oLvR9FvJ8bw4yMQBy63Pjpv2WvJp8g9PoMgIMDogtf8e+8NY5xStjJY51dJ6ROW3QWEzBFq2w8VadVUVlF3bahAPBY4= ; Message-ID: <20060111041351.43204.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.248.168] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:51 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:51 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C48676.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before I'll use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking and touching; this is frustrating! Try scrunching up a fist of fabric and hold for a moment and release. If there are lots of sharp creases = linen/ lots of soft creases= cotton/ a few soft creases= blend of natural fiber/polyester/no creases = polyester. If you need to, do this with fabric you know the content of to see what the fiber does. This works great when fabric shopping because no one has to get upset about a lighter in the store! alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 10 23:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4TltA026925 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B4Td3B012754; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B4TKqu048828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4THqg019173; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B4TDex019134 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TP9l4zirLKUvYM9u1C0SwnIpZ87/WSZwtLLNSaDj+yBSntN7vII/dvdBZLyHdGNL; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwXbk-00067d-Rz for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:29:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e4518b16d6a8a9851439337dc81901df8616b08e54dce06d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C489B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > And why was it more common for men to wear underwear and not women? > > I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) There's a lot of evidence that medieval Europeans considered underpants to represent "masculinity" in a symbolic way. That is, men wore underpants and women didn't because underpants were intrinsically a masculine garment. This may seem like a circular argument, but social attitudes towards gendered clothing always seem to end up that way. For a 21st century comparison, substitute "dresses and women" for "underpants and men". There's no logical reason why women wear dresses and men don't other than because society says that dresses are an inherently feminine garment and therefore it's inappropriate for men to wear them. All the logic and reason in the world can't fight it. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 00:08:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B58QYK027810 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B58GLA001622; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B57kH3052826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B57hNo041751; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B57eNx041685 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29529 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:01 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C492C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Heather's point about drawers/braies/breeches = masculinity is paramount. Beyond that, though, the lack of underwear on women is not nearly so "impractical" as some people seem to assume. To begin with, it's worth noting that underwear worn with a long skirt can make toileting really awkward, especially if you're squatting over a chamberpot/ditch/whatever. If you have to pull everything up so that you can then pull something down, and then you have to straddle and squat over a target ... quite a balancing act if you're wearing drawers, and even with slit drawers (that don't need pulling down), you still have to reach under the skirts to get the fabric out of the line of fire. Without any drawers, it's an easy matter to step over the pot and squat, using your knees to help spread the skirts away from the body. Of course it would be more complicated during menstruation, but it is for us too. (Spread-and-squat is still typical in certain cultures in which women wear long robes. I remember a picturesque description by a Western female traveler on a bus ride through the middle east: When it came time for a pit stop, the bus stopped out in the middle of the desert. The women went on one side of the bus and sank gracefully down to the sand, their skirts spread in circles around them. The men went to the other side of the bus and peed against the bus [what is it about having to have a standing target, anyway?]. The pants-wearing female Westerner had a much harder time of it -- I believe she learned to carry an umbrella to use as a portable wall.) For men, toileting is done differently from women at least half the time, which changes the mechanical considerations. It's interesting to note that in tunic-wearing periods, men often had shorter garments than women did, which would mean less bulk to lift out of the way. Of course there were many influences on style besides anatomical ones, but this issue may have been one factor in the gender differences in hem length. And as someone else has noted, braies/breeches/drawers were not universal on men even in these periods. It's quite possible, too, that men found it equally useful to go without underwear under long, full robes like houppelandes. Several people have brought up the question of cold climate with the idea that drawers would be logical/necessary for warmth. Just as one data point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, and I have never noticed any chill up the skirts; the only parts I've noticed to suffer in cold weather are the feet. Given the proper number of layers in the skirts and the use of insulating natural fibers, the area under the skirts seems to maintain its own warm environment. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 01:41:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B6fQ4P029892 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B6fIOY017946; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B6eV1p061370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B6eQf6091845; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B6eMtm091825 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tUg6++g4gOwV3NhoSHVNxt+guZ3QtweNuAuv/VJwqmkaTW3apEWOduNbx/lBIHFI; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.123.146] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EwZeg-0000u3-MA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d201c61679$e5d54110$0400a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:40:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c08465ff5b5ce66334bb5c0d4135677e3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.123.146 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:41:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4A88E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! snip > Several people have brought up the question of cold climate with the idea > that drawers would be logical/necessary for warmth. Just as one data > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, and I have never > noticed any chill up the skirts; the only parts I've noticed to suffer in > cold weather are the feet. Given the proper number of layers in the skirts > and the use of insulating natural fibers, the area under the skirts seems > to maintain its own warm environment. > > --Robin I've found the only time that I really 'need' to wear drawers under my costumes, are when it's really hot. In hot weather having split crotch drawers on keeps things from chafing, and the split enables me to still answer nature's call when wearing a corset and several layers of skirts. That somewhat explains why Italian women wore them and English women didn't. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 02:36:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B7aAWE006178 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B7a2dS012580; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B7ZDXQ066587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B7ZA4c021667; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B7Z65U021555 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.77.53fa491a (63000) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <77.53fa491a.30f60f20@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:34:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4B562.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! was about to suggest that - although sometimes treated cottons do the same thing. the other thing is something you start to notice when you handkle linen a lot - and apologies that this will sound a bit vague and away with the fairies, but if you run your hand over the cloth, linen threads have a kind of hardness to them - it's as though you can feel each individual thread - with cotton it feels much smoother - more like a single piece. (sorry - told you it woould be vague). Also there's the rip test. If you have enough fabric, make little snip about 2 inches from the cut edge, then rip down the weft. 9 times out of 10, the cotton will have a flat, soft (if feathery) edge, linen will crinkle and curl at one of the ripped edges. It comes from the fact that cotton is't as strong as linen, but is less britle, so when the threads snap, they do so with less force - linen is very strong, but also quite britle, so when it does snap, the linen will snap more violently, in its own little way. Plus linen will almost certainly be harder to tear than cotton. Although, again some modern treatments can alter the properties, it works most times. debs In a message dated 1/11/06 6:41:45 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Try scrunching up a fist of fabric and hold for a moment and release. If > there are lots of sharp creases = linen/ lots of soft creases= cotton/ a few > soft creases= blend of natural fiber/polyester/no creases = polyester. If you > need to, do this with fabric you know the content of to see what the fiber > does. > This works great when fabric shopping because no one has to get upset about > a lighter in the store! > > alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 03:30:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B8UEnp019998 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B8U4ij005138; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B8Sfak071462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B8SaFP054064; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B8SWdr054022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:28:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 5963 invoked by uid 507); 11 Jan 2006 19:28:30 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 19:28:30 +1100 Message-ID: <06e301c61688$ff111230$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <77.53fa491a.30f60f20@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen testing Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:28:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:30:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4C20C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My test is that I find the linen cut edge to be stiff when you tap your fingers on the ends of the threads (I usually peel some of the cross threads away, giving about 5mm of end threads). Cotton has a soft feel. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 04:07:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B97fHN028073 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B97XJ2023876; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0B96NV9073964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B96Kaw072454; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B96GFm072374 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0B96BR02275.; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:11 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:03 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman drawers, was Medieval quote on underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0B96GFm072374 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4CAD5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> robin@shell.nightowl.net 11/01/2006 05:36 >>> wrote: >For men, toileting is done differently from women at least half the time, >which changes the mechanical considerations. It's interesting to note that >in tunic-wearing periods, men often had shorter garments than women did, >which would mean less bulk to lift out of the way. Of course there were >many influences on style besides anatomical ones, but this issue may have >been one factor in the gender differences in hem length. And as someone >else has noted, braies/breeches/drawers were not universal on men even in >these periods. It's quite possible, too, that men found it equally useful >to go without underwear under long, full robes like houppelandes. Apropos of that, I noticed that in the TV series "Rome", which has recently ended in the UK, the soldiers wore thigh-length "shorts" under their tunics. I thought I had read that these were only worn when campaigning in cold climates? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:19:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCJjPG003442 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCJaZd023226; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCIwup011354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCIhLB077822; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCISkN077644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 13519 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:04:55 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13448, pid: 13513, t: 0.4047s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1237 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:04:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:04:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4F7D8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having a day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas of where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers Studio then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed until later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've noticed how often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i love the V&A, National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection etc. I'd love to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:30:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCU0bR003701 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCTqTJ028749; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCTTNd012144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCTR2r083774; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B2OhXi038435 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.110.151]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060111022442.QPLY20927.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:24:42 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060110211439.00b9c8b0@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:24:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Linen burn testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FA40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross section there is actually a dark looking (hollow?) centre like bamboo has. Cotton fibers on the other hand is long with a gentle twisting to the fiber. In cross section cotton appears as a kidney bean shape. Cotton also has a dark centre but it is a squashed line instead of the more open looking centre of linen. Hope that helps! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:30:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCUIUn003718 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCU9DQ029766; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCTiL1012195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCThGj084000; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B38mR6067176 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.37] (acty2037.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.37]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924F85C1E7 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C476B9.3000203@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:08:41 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:30:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FA51.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Now that's reenactment that I can get into...Whoohoo! Mike T. >I found it hard to believe that women used not to wear drawers until I saw Rowlandson's "Exhibition Stare-Case" - admittedly not 16th century, but... http://www.wisc.edu/english/tkelley/NASSR/images/2Rowlandsonstare2.jpg > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:35:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZZqs003830 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZRdk032164; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCZ3rF012704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCZ0C3086994; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B41a6l002432 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC4B8C749 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C48370.4080609@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:02:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FB8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! feudtner@festefeiern-online.de wrote: > I did not get mine either. I am in Germany. > Michaela, Your exchange partner says she's been ill, but will be able to mail it this week. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:35:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZiul003833 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCZZiS030739; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCZD3d012716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCZCNT087130; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0B438si003507 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC398C6EF for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:03:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C483D0.3070403@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:04:32 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: AW: [h-cost] Christmas Santa Swap References: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <20095795.51151136890315120.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FB97.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And one of these days I'll remember to check before sending private email to the list. Sorry. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 07:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCjLj4004060 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BCjDcf005272; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BCil9T013681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCikvT092612; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BCieFY092532 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00426 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:13:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:13:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20060110211439.00b9c8b0@pop8.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C4FDD9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Dawn Luckham wrote: > Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x > magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking > shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross > section there is actually a dark looking (hollow?) centre like bamboo > has. Cotton fibers on the other hand is long with a gentle twisting > to the fiber. In cross section cotton appears as a kidney bean shape. > Cotton also has a dark centre but it is a squashed line instead of the > more open looking centre of linen. How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 08:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BDHlhE004827 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BDHcFM025301; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BDHANo016741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BDH6EU010310; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BDGXN8010047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 26006 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 03:58:59 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25854, pid: 26001, t: 0.4184s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 03:58:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:58:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Delicate Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C50572.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! http://www.mum.org/ fascinating website. Quite a bit of evidence that for some women nothing was used! With regard to sanitary protection, for some women perhaps they didn't need protection that often anyway. A combination of pregnancy and full breast feeding could mean only a fraction of the periods modern women experience. I myself experienced almost 3 blissful years with the pregnancy and feeding of my youngest! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 09:06:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BE603K006011 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:06:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BE5qqa027588; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BE5FfF022386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BE5Dfp040072; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BE59B0040033 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.171.225] (dialup-4.249.171.225.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.171.225]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BE51XK012546 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: <43C5109A.3080200@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:14 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:05:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C510C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > I have a Uniquely You dress dummy, and she doesn't compress well at all -- this may be due to the fact that I'm on the small end of the size dress dummy they suggest I buy. I have a great deal of trouble zipping up the sloper that compresses her into my modern shape - I needed my husband to help hold the sloper together while I zipped, and he didn't think we could do it! My corsets will not fit on top of her -- she doesn't have enough squish left. it's always a wrestling match. I have one, and since I'm larger than the size of the dummy, I didn't alter the sloper at all - and STILL wanted another hand or two to put the thing on. I remember when a friend got one years ago, it took both of us, nearly actually on top fo the thing to get the shell on it. But then, that's the point: the shell is supposed to be tight like that to make the foam compress like under skin and you are struggling with being on the small edge so you have more to compress in. T'ain't easy, though! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:15:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFFh1Q007833 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFFYev019108; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFEYgI030919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFETuI092466; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFENAt092339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0BF53fN013735 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C520CA.1080507@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:14:18 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Delicate Subject References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> In-Reply-To: <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52116.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Joy Shillaker wrote: > A combination of pregnancy and full > breast feeding could mean only a fraction of the periods modern women > experience. I myself experienced almost 3 blissful years with the > pregnancy and feeding of my youngest! On the other hand, even nursing twins, my period was back in about 4-5 months. I don't doubt that it works for some women, but I'd be reluctant to assume it was this way for a majority. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:32:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWfI9008261 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWX1S001097; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFVxa8033389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFVtFp006826; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFVptQ006756 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0833B5EE062 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:31:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c616c4$215816a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:31:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Joy, Kensington Pallace. The entrance is at Notting Hill Station, and trough the gateway into the park. They usually have exhibition about court wear, and last i was there, there was a tailors shop with mens tailoring for the 18th century. Gorgeous embroidered suits!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London > Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having > a day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas > of where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers > Studio then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed > until later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've > noticed how often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i > love the V&A, National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection > etc. I'd love to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:32:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWkgQ008262 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFWcjX011659; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFWGNp033422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFWFdt007066; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFWB5G007025 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from psouper@verizon.net) Received: from Owner ([70.105.91.83]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0ISX00GD9PTGZ290@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:32:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:03 -0500 From: "P. Ekin" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000601c616c4$2cf2d270$2f01a8c0@Owner> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000e01c616a6$68b59270$6401a8c0@athlon2500> <43C520CA.1080507@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Delicate Subject X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52516.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Average length of amenorrhea for mothers who are exclusively breastfeeding is 14 months. A nice phase to be in! <<< -- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:34:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFYua8008332 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFYm1F002999; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFXTkC033590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFXPrx007952; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav9.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFXDbr007704 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.86 by BAY108-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:33:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.86] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 15:33:07.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[527D6AF0:01C616C4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:34:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52598.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BFYua8008332 >May i ask >where did you buy your knitted material. >I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. >There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial >Williamsburg i could >use. >Bjarne I have found cotton knit at any of the lower end fabric stores here in the States, especially in the summer, although I do have to watch carefully to make sure it's 100% cotton. I also found the lovely white lacey fabric used for the stockings shown on my site on eBay. For wool knit (jersey)I need to go to the high end fabric stores which cater to those of us looking for "real" fabrics. I'm sure it is also available at online stores. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:46:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFkgxo008628 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFkYcl013753; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFk2IH035939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFk0Eo020181; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFjtkT020101 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1AC1262876 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006a01c616c6$1eb67ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5285A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Tania, Yes i have found out of this. This was a surprise to me two, because this quality is simply the finest i have ever seen. It would be lovely for fine chemises and mens shirts, and also for chemise a la reine with laces. But thanks for thinking of me! Also for trimmings it would be perfect....... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > Hi Bjarne. > > I have just discovered a source for "kammerdug" very fine linen. I don't > know if it is of the right quality, but seems to. I have boiled it and it > has kept the crisp hand. > > You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm > wide. > > Hope you can use this info > > Tania > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:56:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFuFZA008886 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFu59E021935; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFtXnh037410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFtVnU028863; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0BFtRtL028763 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93734 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 15:55:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gUE8SyQFj1/V/TysbSQCYnajQFSwDyH6dUJvjzuR2ttljvi+7/Sv/pD0awJJ/Ze1g83lDikmIPooNvH90a/i6vzDxEocN18ewKzt8I8AiB6wci9AFJcp3HSaCBhTwPrRu/DYs4Mb7Ks3hj0ghjx3paASD1P8iANy42peieQwpZo= ; Message-ID: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:55:22 PST Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601081433.k08EXI0X033654@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52A95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 10:59:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFxfIW008960 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BFxWZd024813; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BFwmYr038070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFwiv5032078; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BFwWaI031907 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.186]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 337FB47FF02 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:58:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ad01c616c7$dda04910$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: knit stockings Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:58:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52B64.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Kelly, Thanks for this................ Ill go looking at my fabric stores here in Copenhagen. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KELLY" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings >May i ask >where did you buy your knitted material. >I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. >There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial >Williamsburg i could >use. >Bjarne I have found cotton knit at any of the lower end fabric stores here in the States, especially in the summer, although I do have to watch carefully to make sure it's 100% cotton. I also found the lovely white lacey fabric used for the stockings shown on my site on eBay. For wool knit (jersey)I need to go to the high end fabric stores which cater to those of us looking for "real" fabrics. I'm sure it is also available at online stores. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:13:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDSa5009364 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDJCI003968; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGCVjT040231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCRY9045118; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCME8044996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0BG31fN016121 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:03:01 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:15 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52EA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated hennin one isn't too bad. "Cows in shining armor" http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. "The Great Canadian Wallpaper Festival" by Tempus Peregrinator _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:13:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDZSp009374 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGDRfY024220; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGCwA0040296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCwin045627; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav9.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGCsUi045560 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:12:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:12:54.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CEE1D0:01C616C9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:13:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52EA7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I would appreciate seeing other costumes for Mother Ginger. We want to put it on wheels as well. maybe I can tell from the pictures. Thanks for the offer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 > From: "Becky" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the > Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the > hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the > first > of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a > pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the > pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to > make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has > to be large for that character. > > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGmIC009491 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGcth006557; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGG4h0040796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGG0e3048361; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav14.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFrOF048160 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:15:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:15:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060111155522.93732.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:15:44.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[463D1190:01C616CA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52F66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Where did you see the ballet last year? Maybe I can contact the company for ideas on the costume. If you don't mind telling me that is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 > From: "Becky" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise > > I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the > Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the > hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the > first > of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a > pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the > pictures I've found have been very helpful. > Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how > to > make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It > has > to be large for that character. > > > > > > > > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» > > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGmAT009490 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGGdRP025129; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGFnKd040769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFegZ048109; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGFZgB048040 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.110.151]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060111161534.QFVA8316.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060111110605.00b9f600@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:15:14 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] linen testing / cross section X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C52F67.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! [How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view.} LOL! Truth be told, I don't often manage it myself. :P I try to cut very short, fragmented pieces of fiber (almost like dicing an onion). Every once in a while one or two pieces of fiber end up in the right position on the microscope slide to be viewed as a cross section. Linen really doesn't need to be viewed this way to be recognized though, as the bamboo like characteristics are very recognizable when viewed as full length fibers. - It'd be great, on the other hand if I could reliably get a good cross section view for cottons. :o) Dawn L. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:26:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGQW59009767 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGQObY014565; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGPooe042191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGPkXA057648; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav2.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGPXOo057415 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.86 by BAY108-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.86] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:25:31.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4431630:01C616CB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:26:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C531B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BGQW59009767 >Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I >can tell, >stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a >short time. >If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am >very .curious! From >what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for >the 19thC. From The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. Hosiers: A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into the articles wanted. Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. From: The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York [etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. Stocking: The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out from the web. From: The Hosiery Resource Centre Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again reducing the number through the foot. Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as "leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim ankle!) I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently being offered by vendors - it works for me Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:34:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGYUwG009967 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGYMem020904; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGXtew043542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGXptU065440; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGXiQC065324 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:33:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:33:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:33:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:33:40.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7B141E0:01C616CC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:34:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5338E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Just a couple of bits. First, it's unlikely that any Herjofsnes garments were found with linen pads of any sort (linen has not survived in the conditions at Herjofsnes). What may be being remembered is the polar bear breeches from Angmagssalik (now called Tasiilaq), and may not be even Norse. It's also possible that they are thinking of whatever those seal skin things that I've heard Robin mention. Women and breeches. In a recent work by Margarette Nockert, the Skjoldehamn trousers were redated and also were described as a woman's garment. This doesn't really bother me since in one of the Sagas (sdon't ask me which right now) a woman was accused of wearing "gusseted trousers, like a man's", which could be construed as meaning that women (in that time and place) might wear ungusseted trousers. And quite honestly, "little ice age" or not, I think that NOT wearing something under your skirts in a Scandinavian winter is unlikely. In Italy, things might be different. I have rants on the ubiquity of the "little ice age" as an an excuse for things, and the "women were pregnant all the time" myth, but I think they may be off topic for this list. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:38:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGcCBC010039 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGc4nC024148; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGbioL044187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGbdVH069004; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f26.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGbXsD068875 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:37:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:37:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601111612.k0BGCVtk045174@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 16:37:31.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[5151CD20:01C616CD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5346C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 11:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGvNcP010536 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BGvFvH007983; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGugLF047062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGuTWt086914; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BGuN0V086821 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joycebre@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so183529wra for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=E7AtlWg5PP5Ru58N2ruO8CDHkyIw4Q17m1QjuMLE5lCLryYXaSkM+1lJUeInvT1xOZ/6lik7Qv2hEh1g/ltY68YEi0E0YoIBN0wHJ0eY5s2UQlqmBt6/cctWhYbX75qOYJEqzVVUySkLSYV3+tNJmTRUK5TXsLlhK4lBZMFUvRU= Received: by 10.54.139.12 with SMTP id m12mr2322476wrd; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.65.19 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0800 From: Gianetta To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601110640.k0B6eRtu091855@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 28 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C538EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0BGvNcP010536 Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:46 -0600 > From: "E House" > Subject: [h-cost] linen burn test & other tests > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <02e801c6164b$ffa3a1f0$cb00a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Any ideas? Any other tests I could throw at it? (I have no microscope, > btw.) I'd really love for this stuff to be linen, but since it just plain > looks so un-linen-like I have to be as sure as I possibly can be before > I'll > use it AS linen! I'm used to being able to pick out linen just by looking > and touching; this is frustrating! > > -E House I use the 'washing machine test'. It's not scientific, but it's helpful for me. Put your linen and some fabric that you know cotton (about the same weight/weave) in the washer. After running it through a cycle, pull and tug both fabrics. Linen is stronger when wet, cotton is weaker when wet. You should be able to tell if there's a difference. -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 12:36:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BHaogd011563 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:36:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BHagDT009540; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:36:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BHZosg052980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BHZNlT025494; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BHZELO025236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:35:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EwjsC-0007H1-Eu; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20060111113500.4ootk03jlc9wwkkk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:35:00 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Quoting Dawn Luckham : > > LOL! Truth be told, I don't often manage it myself. :P > I try to cut very short, fragmented pieces of fiber (almost like > dicing an onion). Every once in a while one or two pieces of fiber > end up in the right position on the microscope slide to be viewed as > a cross section. That's probably the easiest -- (mind you, I've never done this with fiber -- it didn't dawn on me at all to try and have a lookie-see. *duh* smacks self in forehead) > > Linen really doesn't need to be viewed this way to be recognized > though, as the bamboo like characteristics are very recognizable when > viewed as full length fibers. - It'd be great, on the other hand if > I could reliably get a good cross section view for cottons. :o) > And it makes sense, now that I think about it. What you have in linen, if I'm not badly mistaken, are the vascular fibers in the stems. And that (bamboo) is what they should look like. You may even be able to see the spiral thickenings in the inside of the tracheids. I'm going to have to do some investigation. Cotton, on the other hand, is composed of the fibers that surround the seed. Each individual cotton fiber is a single, elongated cell -- we call them hairs (for an analogue that you're probably familiar with -- the inside of an orange!). The linen fibers are multicellular. Of course, I had to go poke around the web, so ... http://tinyurl.com/86kls (you have to follow the links to the pictures) http://tinyurl.com/7uvql microscope images of various fibers http://tinyurl.com/8a9xo from the USDA. unfortunately, I can't find one for linen like this. http://tinyurl.com/bhvz6 from this page http://invsee.asu.edu/ImageGallery/Real/LifeSciences/Em/FIBERS/ with micrographs of *lots* of fibers both animal and vegetable. and for some pretty polarized light micrographs http://tinyurl.com/d6lvc Jerusha, the biology geek ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 14:06:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJ6UAn014037 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJ6LwV014717; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BJ4YFB066597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:05:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BI7P3Q057193; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0BI7DmB056900 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58494 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IovLrwDL5xXtNJCM9wGsubUBXh0Jz3yVaFnJwAebJBLK7/oFT/eP9tla1xz77zF3V+ukgIBKXb6lwTLQyl1LWs+UAnVMP53U7u91T8lHpAJhVjZfpj9O/zSUwBkPkXJ9oT2tYqzhdD697xCqFmOmfcCol/LQetaSYX16af3oiNY= ; Message-ID: <20060111180658.58492.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:58 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] please send me old digests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:06:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5572D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello could someone please send me (OFF LIST) digests 22 to 27 - if they have them? My in box has just not collected them for some reason, although I've had 28 and 29. It's weird to come into conversations half way through! many thanks, Katherine S. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 14:16:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJGVYC014338 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BJGNKi022445; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BJFdDS068324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BJFXIA027317; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BJFQQn027188 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [80.184.157.117] (helo=michaela) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1EwlRM0D7Y-00078r; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c616e4$a5950840$0202a8c0@michaela> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601101900.k0AJ0JD6073098@net.indra.com> <000a01c6169e$db2bea50$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:16:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C55987.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! If you really have some hours, I would like to suggest Kenwood House which is in Hampstead. A country manor in London! Lots of wonderful furniture and paintings. It has been a while since I've been there but I seem to remember they had some clothing as well (not much, but still...). Anyway have fun! Michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where to Go In London > Hi All, this might seem like a strange request from a brit but I'm having a > day to myself in London tommorow and i wondered if anyone has any ideas of > where to go that's costume related? My original plan was 'Handweavers Studio > then the museum of childhood, but just discovered museum is closed until > later in the year. I thought of asking people here because I've noticed how > often we don't notice what's on our own door step. Much as i love the V&A, > National Gallery, MOL, Portrait Gallery, wallace collection etc. I'd love > to try somewhere new. All ideas gratefully recieved. cheers > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:12:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKCYmh015959 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKCPkM006036; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKA93r078351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKA5VF082644; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BK9u96082491 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04550 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C566A9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that > extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get > pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. It does both. Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You don't have periods without ovulating. (It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.) (The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into this discussion, in any case.) Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit it just as your ovaries get back in action. --Robin medical editor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:25:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKPEDV016301 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKP6mq016055; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKODhT080568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKNx3V096204; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKNk5E095882 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1963B7675 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC94F41E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:36 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:35 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B07170788@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Where to Go In London Thread-Index: AcYWy2jmNygp7/LgQDS6tfodRh+VHgAIAMyg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 20:23:36.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6A00EE0:01C616EC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0BKNk5E095882 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:25:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C569A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have two lesser-known favorite museums in London, neither of them have textile stuff but they're still quite fun: 1) The Geffrye Museum (http://www.geffrye-museum.org.uk/) which is a museum of interiors -- it's got a room decorated in the style from the reign of each major monarch starting at about 1600 (I can't remember if it includes Elizabeth I or not...). The museum itself is in the suburbs of London. 2) Sir John Soane's Museum (http://www.soane.org/) which is the house of a regency architect (quite lovely) and includes his painting collection (which has the complete Rake's Progress by Hogarth in oils!) and his Egyptian mummy! Hope that helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 15:39:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKdbaN016784 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BKdT1w027548; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BKcPbv082887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKcLlK011105; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BKcHFB010903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EwmjO-0001Q1-2w; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20060111143806.tsizd6ho46iskcs0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:06 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C56D01.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > >> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that >> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get >> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. > > It does both. > > Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops > menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You > don't have periods without ovulating. > *snippage* > > Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start > ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had > your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods > come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally > advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you > can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit > it just as your ovaries get back in action. > Yeah. I have a rather surprising number of friends who have childres 11 months apart. They forgot the cardinal rule -- you ovulate *before* that first period (generally) not afterwards! My grandmother was so irregular, she never knew when she was pregnant until she started growing out of her clothes! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 18:07:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BN7Rtu019924 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BN7JPS004156; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BN6ZlF007883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BN6Ni1055456; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from myway.com (nn3.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BN6BMa055208 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emmajean@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 29ACE60327; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Received: from [142.161.144.66] by mprdmailfe5.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:01 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 17fdb5a5be73fecb400dab6095d88574 From: "Wendy" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emmajean@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060111230602.29ACE60327@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C58FA7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On the non-physical side, having a small child forever attatched to you makes it difficult to get the chance to get pregnant. Wendy --- On Wed 01/11, Robin Netherton < robin@shell.nightowl.net > wrote: From: Robin Netherton [mailto: robin@shell.nightowl.net] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop >pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 18:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BNtbfJ020771 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0BNtTDg018717; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BNt7r8015425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNt607097699; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNt1rO097574 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.184] (pm5-184.eos.net [205.133.149.184]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0BNsq9N001018 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:54:54 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:43:10 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601102220.k0AMKNnb058786@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "feminine protection" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:55:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C59AF1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Caroline wrote: > If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly > cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much > but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary > protection much during their life. This is not exactly true. Number one, there were thousand of nuns throughout the period (ha ha) we are discussing. Number two, there were thousands of other unmarried women, women whose husbands were away for years at a time (sailors, crusaders, and traveling merchants come to mind), barren women or women with impotent husbands, and widows. Number three (I know this from experience), breastfeeding tends to suppress menstruation, but it doesn't for everyone, at least not for the same amount of time. So that leaves out a considerable number of women. It doesn't follow at all that "most" women wouldn't need sanitary protection much during their life. But even if that were true, they would still need it sometimes, so they must have had established ways of taking care of it. 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 19:37:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0bt8F021530 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0blKq027302; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0a1Yl020096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0ZxDl027608; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0ZqoT027450 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2e3.6d1568 (16781) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2e3.6d1568.30f6fe5c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:35:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:37:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5A4DB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/11/2006 11:38:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marccarlson20@hotmail.com writes: could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation. The two kind of go together, don't they? However, when I was researching various "behind closed doors" topics, I found that breast feeding does delay onset of the cycle, and hence the possibility of pregnancy. Women were aware of this and sometimes used breast feeding deliberately to delay pregnancy. However, my sources said that how breast feeding delays onset of the cycle is not perfectly understood. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 19:55:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0tGVT021803 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C0t7bp004944; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0serw022301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0scU5040745; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav5.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0sYl4040689 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.111.133.66 by BAY108-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.111.133.66] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 00:54:34.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[C10CCE90:01C61712] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:55:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5A8EB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0C0tGVT021803 >Mid-19th century is different than 18thC. From what I >can tell, >stockings cut from knit yardgoods were only in use for a >short time. >If you have infrmation about this for 19thC, I am >very .curious! From >what I can tell, cut and sewn was not at all common for >the 19thC. From The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. Hosiers: A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into the articles wanted. Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. From: The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York [etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. Stocking: The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out from the web. From: The Hosiery Resource Centre Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again reducing the number through the foot. Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as "leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim ankle!) I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently being offered by vendors - it works for me Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 20:04:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C14oDH021972 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C14fYX010588; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C0xQoN022894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0xQvC044170; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0xMEC044130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 29855 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:59:16 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29793, pid: 29850, t: 0.3799s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:59:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c61713$6a21df20$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601120022.k0C0MFpd017965@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:59:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:04:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5AB29.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thankyou Michaela and Sunny for your suggestions. looks like I need another trip up to London! Fortunately I only live in Portsmouth and the mega Bus gets me up there for Ł2.50 return! (About the same cost for me to go to portsmouth Dockyard and the historic ships!) And thankyou, Robin for the fascinating information about the Herjofsnes garments. With regard to the menstruation discussion, it would seem that there are many factors to take into consideration. It's a long time since my degree but from what I can remember about fertility and family size in Early modern Europe, women's experience varied according to social status,(e.g.wet nursing = more births) environmental factors, ( eg. crop failure = poor nurition = fewer births) and of course locality. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 20:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C1AWNP022046 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C1AOCv013905; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C19uBu023877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C19qFR050955; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f16.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C19oWC050872 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:09:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601120022.k0C0MFpe017965@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 01:09:39.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCA28120:01C61714] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:10:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5AC80.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: Robin Netherton >Marc, I'm the one who brought up the sealskin belt/pad arrangement from >Herjolfsnes. There were a few fragments of bast fibers (some pieces of >cloth, some microscopic fibers) found in various spots at Herjolfsnes... I know that we'd discussed this one in the past. >...Lots more about bones, skin, hair, body oils, etc. for people who don't >mind wading through 1920s medical terminology translated from the Danish. >His descriptions seem sound, though his conclusions are sometimes a bit >weird. I'm just sorry that there was so little opportunity to do more of a study at the time, since it may not have survived even since 1921. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 21:18:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C2I0jV023202 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C2HqmL021929; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C2Gt4D030504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C2GkbJ092761; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C2Ge8q092659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-69-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.69]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k0C2GbBF016739 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:39 +1100 Message-ID: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:32 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5BC50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start > ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had > your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods > come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally > advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you > can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit > it just as your ovaries get back in action. > > --Robin > medical editor > And as a general rule breastfeeding will only stop ovulation while it is baby's only food, so once they start on other foods the milk production reduces and ovulation starts again. That's not a hard and fast rule that applies to everyone but it's the most likely time that you will get caught. I actually came across this site on 'natural' fertility and contraceptives http://www.sisterzeus.com/directory.html it even includes a section on herbal abiortifacients (something for cooks to look out for, although most of these herbs require pretty massive doses to terminate pregnancy smaller doses could still be harmful) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:07:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C37Z4k024163 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C37RTR016803; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C369p7035558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C366O4024873; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BK0D7B072313 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04456 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:28:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:28:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C7EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote: > First, it's unlikely that any Herjofsnes garments were found with > linen pads of any sort (linen has not survived in the conditions at > Herjofsnes). What may be being remembered is the polar bear breeches > from Angmagssalik (now called Tasiilaq), and may not be even Norse. > It's also possible that they are thinking of whatever those seal skin > things that I've heard Robin mention. Marc, I'm the one who brought up the sealskin belt/pad arrangement from Herjolfsnes. There were a few fragments of bast fibers (some pieces of cloth, some microscopic fibers) found in various spots at Herjolfsnes. The cloth bits are mentioned in Norlund, and Else Ostergard summarizes them, but IIRC she misses the reference related to the item I described -- not surprising as it is one of the microscopic ones, and would not have been housed as a textile find. However, I misremembered that the cord on the sealskin also was linen; it was wool, and sheep's hair and moss were also the materials found under the sealskin covering. The item was mentioned only in the medical section of Norlund's report, written by Fr. C. C. Hansen, professor of anatomy, Copenhagen. From p. 322: [as part of a discussion of possible incontinence of one of the women] <> Later, in the discussion of this particular skeleton (I forget which one, the numbers are different than in the clothing analysis and I'm not going to hunt all through right now to match them up), there's a much more detailed description. Bits follow, pp. 332ff. Be aware that the translation into English is a bit askew. Parentheses are theirs, square brackets mine. << On a small perfectly well-preserved bone (by os sacrum), which could be clearly recognized as the 2nd vertebra coccygea, fitting aginst the also quite uninjured and well-preserved 1st vertebra coccygea subsequently found, was found adhering to the posterior surface a piece of sealskin (microscopy!) with the hairs on; in this little piece of sealskin were the remains of a little twisted rebrown woollen cord or string (microscopy!) with the remains of a strongly twisted knot. [There are references to figures that I thought I had copies of but can't find now. I know I've seen a drawing of this fragment, but I may have missed xeroxing it.] As on os pubis this cord was very frail and crumbled easily. ... When this little piece of sealskin with remnants of a small twisted woollen cord with a knot, has remained quite firmly attached to so small a bone as the 2nd vertebra coccygea, which like the 1st vertebra coccygea was perfectly well-preserved and uninjured, the reason must be as follows:-- When the body was laid in the grave there must have been lying on the back of os coccygis ... a strip of sealskin to which was fastened a redbrown woollen cord to keep the sealskin in place, while in front on mons pubis it was also kept in place by a couple of woollen cords which probably passed up to a cord or belt about the hip-region, thus representing a kind of bandage passing from mons pubis between femora down before pudenda and anus and up between nates in the sacral region. As the body was laid on its back in the grave the point of the sealskin with the woollen cord was wedged into sulcus inter nates and secured in its position to os coccyis where, as its shown by the state of these bones as well as of os sacrum, which is well-preserved, the putrefaction and destruction was least, and when the cold subsequently increased, so that the earth became permanently frozen, just these small bones were preserved with cohering remains of hair, sealskin, and woollen cords. We must assume that even more remained at the exhumation than we now possess, but that most of it decayed or crumbled away before it reached the Museum of Normal Anatomy. Finally fibres of a plant substance (resembling hemp microscopically) were found close by, and in the layer beneath the sealskin on the symphysis were found, besides the human pubes hairs, loose hairs of sheep's wool of a light colour or only slightly pigmented, and lastly, small leaves of moss, this latter perhaps an accidental admixture(?). >> Then a long discussion of the procedure for investigating the sealskin pieces, human skin, and hairs. The hair from the head was light brown, that in the pubic area "fairer and less pigmented." Among other points worth noting: There was a mix of different types of sheep hair among those found, some pigmented and others not. (Perhaps a combination of rags/bits from different sources?) The sealskin was apparently old and long-used; its hairs were in bad shape, unlike the human hairs next to them. Also: <> Lots more about bones, skin, hair, body oils, etc. for people who don't mind wading through 1920s medical terminology translated from the Danish. His descriptions seem sound, though his conclusions are sometimes a bit weird. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38DL6024178 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C385Y5025546; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37XLc035768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37Wc2025840; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0BNFaEx064096 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B074933A0D for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:15:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20060110225131.45956.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C815.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? De -----Original Message----- You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38g73024188 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38YpI020749; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37fvR035807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37eJF025936; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0Kp4E017001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 8005 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2006 16:20:51 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7935, pid: 7997, t: 0.5662s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1238 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2006 16:20:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c6170e$0c5b5150$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200601111612.k0BGCVtj045174@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:20:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kensington Palace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C832.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thankyou Bjarne, Kensington palace sounds perfect! I'm not even going to see if they have a website so it will all be a lovely suprise. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38iws024192 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C38a6k029043; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C37n8V035849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C37los026038; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C0MBdr017815 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.154.5f580748 (16781) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <154.5f580748.30f6fb2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5C834.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! In a message dated 1/11/2006 7:45:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: How do you get the cross-section in a nonprofessional setup? I have used my microscope on fibers, but have never figured out how to see anything but the side view. I've rigged up a system at home that works sometimes. You need a dark thin plate with holes in it. Run a bunch of fibers (you need to untwist the yarns) through the hole, then seal the two sides with nail polish (we had a different sealant in lab class but clear nail polish is a home substitute). Let dry, then shave off both sides very thinly with a single-edged razor blade. I've been successful with this technique about 50% of the time. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:25:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3PMpQ024514 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3PE67027644; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C3Oglq038081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3OdhZ036252; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3OZFg036182 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.159] (pm5-159.eos.net [205.133.149.159]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0C3OP9P018245 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:24:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:13:17 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200601110640.k0B6eRtt091855@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5CC1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Robin wrote: > Just as one data > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, Too much information!! Too much information!! I prefer not to know who is "going commando" in my vicinity. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 22:28:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3SIwf024583 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C3SAL2029506; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C3R4ZA038245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3R40d037560; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C3R2Ek037547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz@net.indra.com) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.12.9/Submit) id k0C3R2qZ037546 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:02 -0700 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Message-ID: <20060112032702.GB24472@net.indra.com> References: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001301c6171e$35aa0370$45d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5CCCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! According to advice from La Leche League (breastfeeding support and promotion group), for breastfeeding to be really effective in holding off your cycles, you need to be nursing during the night. I considered night-weaning my toddler because we wanted to start trying for another, but I managed to get my cycle back after he cut back to just one overnight nursing session. My son night-weaned shortly afterwards anyway, but had taken 19.5 months for me to become fertile again. And then I had just one period before becoming pregnant again. :) ...eliz, list admin and mom to a 2.5 yr old and a 7-week old -- Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you tell them. - The Flying Ks _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:26:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4QIlK026233 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4Q0Gk030633; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4PaOX045661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4PX43074472; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4PSIu074400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C64KBV023286 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:04:20 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. 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On Wednesday 11 January 2006 6:15 pm, otsisto wrote: > Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) > Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? www.xe.com will convert the Danish kroner to US dollars (or just about any other currency) for you. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:47:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4lt4O026875 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4lljN010180; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4lTMg049303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4lRxT089403; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4lPZB089372 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so284346wra for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a0UalWXIqzaWCJSts9nm0RbUAyhV/cCBMFZ3yBqQqKBxLnxkWTkXD+4j1VBbiVDYwquPgvDarLpxtw231PalumKAuVLP6CnNshsQOEnx81BLal2S+GI6bmd9ad60gI3p0T8GJeChb9kKOFhNq1ybO14+i81zDlAwSfA1aaIbhBU= Received: by 10.65.241.13 with SMTP id t13mr554826qbr; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.185.15 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:47:25 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0C4lPZB089372 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How did your winter fashions turn out? 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Anyone have lovely pictures or horror stories to share? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 11 23:54:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4slt2027010 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C4scJ5013795; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C4rtkp050063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4rtkF093039; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C4rpCg092993 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFD62C740428; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:49:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c61734$2d275b10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20060111230602.29ACE60327@mprdmxin.myway.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I remember that whenever my husband and I tried to start something, the baby would wake up, even though he/she was in the next room (and, yes, we were being very quiet. ESP at work. Built in birth control. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses On the non-physical side, having a small child forever attatched to you makes it difficult to get the chance to get pregnant. Wendy --- On Wed 01/11, Robin Netherton < robin@shell.nightowl.net > wrote: From: Robin Netherton [mailto: robin@shell.nightowl.net] To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:38:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Marc Carlson wrote:

> I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
> extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get
> pregnant, not that it stopped menstruation.

It does both.

Breastfeeding temporarily stops ovulation, which in turn stops
menstruation -- menstrual periods are a direct result of ovulation. You
don't have periods without ovulating.

(It is possible to bleed without ovulation; this is considered "abnormal
uterine bleeding" and not menstruation, and sometimes looks similar but
typically does not follow the regular pattern of monthly periods.)

(The monthly bleeds that occur during cyclical hormone therapy or the use
of oral contraception look like periods, but they're not. They're enforced
bleeds created by the adjustment of hormone dosage. They don't enter into
this discussion, in any case.)

Breastfeeding doesn't always stop pregnancy, since when you start
ovulating and having periods again, you ovulate first (before you've had
your first period return). So you can get pregnant before your periods
come back, and I know people who have done so (oops). It's generally
advised not to rely on the lack of periods as absolute birth control; you
can be assured of a delay, often a long one, but eventually you might hit
it just as your ovaries get back in action.

--Robin
medical editor

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:28:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5S2IJ027946 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5RrIA030131; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5QkZW054860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5Qd5c012440; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3.socket.net [216.106.88.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5QZIU012395 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E27A3580E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:26:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5E8D9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From what I was told from a meteorologist student- there were several "mini" ice ages, not just one. Told by someone who lives on the Rosebud Reservation, you adapt to the cold. And you will find in paintings where the gown is lined in fur. So I don't think that drawers would have been worn for warmth, in all likelihood skirts are warmer then drawers. The skirts contain the body heat, the trousers separate. The discussion of the "little ice age" would be slightly on topic as it would pertain to possible reasons why/why not certain things were worn or the validity of using LIA as a basis for use of a garment. De -----Original Message----- Just a couple of bits. And quite honestly, "little ice age" or not, I think that NOT wearing something under your skirts in a Scandinavian winter is unlikely. In Italy, things might be different. I have rants on the ubiquity of the "little ice age" as an an excuse for things, and the "women were pregnant all the time" myth, but I think they may be off topic for this list. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:54:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5suMa028518 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5smVE011446; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5sKrB057904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5sIoH029266; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0C5s8Mx029165 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 12133 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:50:29 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:56:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:56:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] How did your winter fashions turn out? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:54:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5EF28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Anyone have lovely pictures or horror stories to share? > --cin I finally finished a German Waffenrock for my fiance that was 4 years coming. He bought the fabric shortly after we met 4 years ago and I started making it about a year ago. He said he wouldn't go with me to the fancy event (12th Night) last weekend if I didn't finish it. So I did....and he got all the oohs and ahhs!! I looked pretty good, too but everybody was looking at him! So I would say my project was a success :~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 00:58:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5whhM028602 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C5wZf3013341; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C5w0g3058296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5vxqD031494; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C5vtuK031397 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-0-187.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.0.187]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 12 Jan 2006 13:57:47 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-ID: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5F00B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:09:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C69jQp028878 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C69bq3018441; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C68qNG059410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C68o4I037433; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C68kcg037354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0042.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.42]:4139 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1EwvdW-0007CP-53 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:08:39 -0500 Message-ID: <43C5F263.4000506@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:08:35 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601120305.k0C35C6S024313@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601120305.k0C35C6S024313@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5F2A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:37:31 -0600 > From: "Marc Carlson" > Subject: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses > > I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that > extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant, > not that it stopped menstruation. In LaLecheLeague we learned that you were only protected as long as mothers milk was the only form of nutrition that baby recieved, and that if you had Any menses, you were vulnerable to get pregnant again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:45:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6jCXf029907 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6j3om003142; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6iZap062511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6iSR2056054; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6iNLb056003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.52] (pool180-55.patriot.net [209.249.180.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0C6hcmE015699 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:43:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:43:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] re: knit stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FAEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably could not have been done any other way. However, I thought you said the cut & sewn were the most common for mid-19th century. I have not seen that in extant stockings in museum collections. There are certainly hand-knit stockings, and those that are knit to shape. >From >The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. >Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. >Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. > >Hosiers: >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into >the articles wanted. >Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well >made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are >employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. Is this an advertisement for ladies to buy this machine and use it at home? It's a bit confusing considering they mention steam power. Having to cut the yardgoods to shape does not seem like knitting the perfect stocking. >From: >The new American cyclopaedia: a popular dictionary of general >knowledge. Ed. by George Ripley and Charles A. Dana ... >Ripley, George, ed. Dana, Charles A. ed. (Charles AndersonNew York >[etc]: D. Appleton and company1859-1863. > >Stocking: >The shaping of the web to fit the foot is matter of no little >ingenuity. The flat web is either knit in long strips of sufficient >width to make when turned over several stockings which are cut out >from the web. And this was common? What I've seen in machine-made originals is cotton stockings getting finer and finer, as the spinning and the knitting machines become finer. Clocking is done with openwork stitches, which becomes more and more subtle as the gauge gets finer. The examples I've seen are knit to shape and seamed up the back, which I can tell because the seam allowance is very tiny - a stitch or two wide. >From: >The Hosiery Resource Centre > >Full-fashioned stockings are knitted flat, than fashioned, or >shaped, by hand manipulation and hand seamed up the back. That seems to say the shaping is done after the knitting. The earlier machines did require hand-manipulation to make the increases and decreases, but that was on the machine as each row was knit. These days full-fashioned means the item was shaped as it was knitted and then assembled. I'm not sure what the meaning was at the time this was written. >Knitting is back and forth across the fabric (weft knitting) on a >straight-bar machine invented by William Cotton in 1864. The >stocking is started at the top with the welt, an extra-thick section >for gartering. The fabric is shaped by reducing the number of >needles at the ankle, then adding needles at the heel, and again >reducing the number through the foot. So this one is shaped by the machine, not shaped by cutting. > Seamless stockings are knitted on circular machines, brought out >in the mid-19th century. For many years such stockings were a >straight, knitted tube that did not fit as well as the >full-fashioned, because stitches cannot be added or dropped in >circular knitting by machine. (I've seen reference to these as >"leg-bags", obviously not a compliment in an age which prized a trim >ankle!) The circular machine was first seen in the 1790s, first used for hats. The earliest stockings I've seen (extant) are dated 1840. (I'm not sure when this type was first made, but the machine capability was there earlier). Anyway, these 1840 stockings are quite interesting - the foot is seamed with the typical flap heel, and there is a dart taken in the ankle/lower calf area for shaping. The other unique thing - the few examples I saw have the design printed on rather than embroidered or knit in. It's curious that someone in 1840 would think to do this, but it was not done later. But these things happen. Another thing I noticed developing in the 19thC - reinforcement threads added to the heel. I'm not sure if that is something reenactors do for the Civil War era. > I agree that modern knit fabric is stretchier than that found in >earlier periods, based on the originals I have been able to examine. >However, with this method I am able to mimic the technique used in >the period with 100% natural materials and end up with a product >that fits and is closer to period stockings than anything currently >being offered by vendors - it works for me I heard that someone was knitting stockings on some sort of machine for Civil War reenactment use. But then he stopped for some reason? Making them from knit yardgoods is a good way to get something better, short of handknitting. Since the original question was about 18th century, it may or may not be perfectly authentic - depends on the decade being reproduced. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6mCpE030042 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6m4ml004591; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6lZTO062920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6lZXA058111; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6lVWq058068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.52] (pool180-55.patriot.net [209.249.180.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0C6ksCb006675 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:46:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web 30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:47:21 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FBA4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathleen said, >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can >even turn a heel!! People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 01:50:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6obKX030130 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C6oTDI005821; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C6nfkp063067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6nfNY059168; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C6nbaR059117 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:49:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09599 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:18:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:18:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:50:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C5FC35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Robin wrote: > > > Just as one data > > point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, > > Too much information!! Too much information!! > > I prefer not to know who is "going commando" in my vicinity. Sorry -- given the topic (whether cold weather requires drawers), I didn't see any other way to phrase it to establish that I was speaking of findings from personal experiment rather than simply hypothetically! Enough years doing theatre, not to mention more years pushing around people's soft bits for purposes of costume, and you get a rather skewed sense of modesty. It's all rather clinical to me now, as anyone who has survived one of my fittings can testify. Of course, I'm also the person who routinely instructs women to remove their panties during dress fittings because the elastic waistband interferes with the action of the fabric on the figure. Funny how obvious this is, and yet how many people fail to realize what's causing a tummy roll or hip roll ... which disappears the moment the modern underpinnings go away. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 02:39:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7dp6h006909 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7dhj7029313; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7Xdlh067431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7XYAl085855; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7XUZS085817 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-77.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.77]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k0C7XRoA012118 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:33:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112012004.01d7f3c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:30:04 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:39:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C607BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, the only reference I have ever seen to women's menses or the items associated with it, was in Philip Stubbes "Anatomy of Abuses" (can't remember the page # off the top of my head) when he referred to someone as a "menstrous clout". I would hazard a guess that there might be other references hidden in odd places like Stubbes but they will take some dedicated digging. It's funny, for me, this reference always started a word association "game" in my brain which ended with visions of a nappy/diaper like arrangement. I freely admit that there is no basis in fact that I have been able to discover, for this idea but the word "clout" just always triggered a train of thought that at some point ran through "breech clout" and ended with the nappy/diaper image. Cheers, Danielle At 11:23 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th >women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but >how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to be dealt with, >though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once had an article on 19th >C. inovations. > >Dame Catriona MacDuff >Interested in 16th C. womens issues _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 02:50:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7o5Zw009652 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:50:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C7nvb7001884; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:49:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7mj1l068802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7mago094641; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C7mTYj094592 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-179-77.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.179.77]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C7mRnB008007 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:47:27 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C60A25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, I certainly am not in any position to debate the validity of the "mini Ice Age" theory but, I have spent the weekend at an event in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. As for cold I still hold that it is a matter of perspective I grew up in Ottawa, Canada and to me living in Manchester, England for a year was delightfully warm! On the other hand, I currently live in Minnesota and I'm constantly freezing. The one thing I did learn growing up with cold winters was lots of layers was the way to keep warm and if you look at historical clothing the first thing you encounter is...lots of layers. Anyway, as other people of mentioned, menstruation and preparing for it is something we no almost nothing about in any historical period. It is a topic that belongs solely to women, and very few women's voices survive the ages to reach us, and almost none on any personal topics. This is knowledge that has always passed from mother to daughter, and is usually viewed as an "unclean" topic by men. I think that Stubbes is a perfect example of that. The only reference I have ever encountered and he is using it to insult someone by calling them a "menstrous clout". Either way, that does give us at least a bit of information that our mother's or grandmother's "rags" probably wasn't far off the mark. Cheers, Danielle At 01:40 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >But Danielle, I was under the impression with reading and the >History Channel, that during the Medieval and Renaissance periods >Europe was going through what historians/scientists considered a >"mini Ice Age". Plus, my finace' who was stationed in Europe has >mentioned that when he was involved with Ren faires and the like >that the castles were quite chilly. > >Since, I am a newbie when it comes to period underwear. What did >women do during their monthly cycles? And why was it more common >for men to wear underwear and not women? > >I betcha I'm going to be quite embarassed by the obvious reasons. :-) > >Roscelin > > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote > > >Greetings! > > > > > >Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. Drawers > > >arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered > > >novelties and "foreign." They weren't adopted as regular wear until > > >later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't > > >find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. > > >Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going > > >to make much difference except for possibly during activities like > > >horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles > > >(rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat > > >with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers > > >would be rather immaterial. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Danielle > > > > > >At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: > > >>Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that > ladies didn't wear > > >>drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I > > >>usually do English. > > >> > > >>And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN > to England. It > > >>gets COLD there. > > >> > > >>Thanks for your forbearance, > > >>Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 03:22:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8MksT018393 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8MbpA021241; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C8MHfT072281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8MGQ8017353; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8MDZ2017328 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E177BCA5 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:40:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes In-Reply-To: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C611CD.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 08:12 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: >To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from >Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated >hennin one isn't too bad. > >"Cows in shining armor" >http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 03:57:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8voSO028432 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0C8vgBh005371; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0C8tT4T076244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0C8tNHB036051; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0C8tHVw035942 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12184 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cOj5Emq+qMlnpBnQN+q8g51WsTjpA7n+lFJyhl0GWEVaHr8IGTkuCXQKb5wWq3QdHfNZdZM7GGJzjQvfzwoOpVSbKuH2klooWh+/JGL27n2zMAXRXPIAMyXKV6rIuBNOrtmLPWRcibfAKWOue9AMcijW1sR/sgVe3zDsJWSMG8o= ; Message-ID: <20060112085508.12182.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:55:08 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] old digests no longer needed thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:57:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C61A06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thank you to Beth for sending me the digests (22-27). I noticed this morning that I got 31 and then sometime later 30, so summat weird is going on... Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 05:05:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CA5QJg008119 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CA5HAO003205; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CA4SKE081964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CA4OKJ070669; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CA4Na2070626 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 44818 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 10:04:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I+oc9tvV6d+h1ec61bfcl4lHwuAWxG9iF28WQqC8FYm2Q9TWrhcMZUId5gXsX5ZoBbIoLl0/3CHwXuB3+CCRgzfkrLDb8OPoiX1yRGS1nnYt7NIxGkbNW2DJBI36g7KRZnUi/aFroEE7rsShxyMjUqeC4i5ldanywYXNQv6jtgs= ; Message-ID: <20060112100417.44816.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.195.58] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:04:17 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:04:17 -0500 (EST) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:05:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C629DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I bought it for a friend here in Canada. He was thrilled as his wife had even phoned the company to see if she could get the calendar. The Company said they would not ship it to Canada as the coupons were no good here but for some reason online they ship it anywhere you want it to go. Who wants the coupons??? Brin Kendall Kimiko Small wrote: At 08:12 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: >To satisfy my calendar urge, I ended up getting the new calendar from >Chick-Fil-A, which is medieval and renaissance cows. The reticulated >hennin one isn't too bad. > >"Cows in shining armor" >http://www.shopchick-fil-a.com/index.cfm/act/Catalog.cfm/catalogid/74/category/Bookstore/browse/null/MenuGroup/Home/desc/2006%20Chick%252Dfil%252DA%25AE%20Calendar%3CBR%3E%2593Cows%20In%20Shining%20Armor%2594.htm > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 06:00:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CB0jDT021187 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CB0btP030504; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CB09WY086409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CB05GM097884; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CAxxs1097795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0CAoefN029903 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:50:40 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:50:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:59:57 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection: cows in costumes References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:00:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C636D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kimiko Small wrote: > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho > I have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. It's a fast-food store specializing in chicken and fries; often seen in malls. They've had cows as their mascots for a while, usually with awkwardly-lettered signs which say "Eat More Chicken!" The calendars can be bought from the stores, directly, but no price savings. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 09:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CEKWqa014759 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CEKOVH022326; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CEJZwx004192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CEJRPA013676; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CEJNMU013542 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A55D026C; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:09 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 12 Jan 2006 09:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com><005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion><006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C665A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > Kathleen said, > >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting > >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with > >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the > >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can > >even turn a heel!! > > People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. > "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a > machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a > small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no > evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. > > -Carol > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:04:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CF4wHC017939 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CF4ock011056; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CF4GRU010275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CF4F5O045893; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CF4B5V045850 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A2E992628BD for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:04:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c61789$762e44e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:04:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:04:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67012.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) > Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? > > De > > -----Original Message----- > You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm > wide. > > Hope you can use this info > > Tania > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:15:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFFHqO018183 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFF975016086; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFEElM011564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFEDZP053813; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFE9hb053727 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 61B613387C for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:14:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:14:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001c61789$762e44e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6727D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! And my pocket book goes OUCH! :) Thank you, De -----Original Message----- Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:28:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFS8QT019368 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFS0NM022299; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFQp1e013429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFQmr7063897; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFQinj063833 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F244D262888 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:26:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:26:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67580.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght would be hopeless to get anymore. I will happily give this, for that quality! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > And my pocket book goes OUCH! :) > Thank you, > De > > -----Original Message----- > Its about 55 dollars for a fine linen 56 inches wide. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:36:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFavE3019574 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFanIh027407; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFaEeR014678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFaAv1071733; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFa5dK071641 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DA5B347FE3C for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009501c6178d$eac58a80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601111612.k0BGCVtj045174@net.indra.com> <000401c6170e$0c5b5150$6501a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kensington Palace Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67791.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Joy, I wish you the best of enjoying this. You wont regret it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] kensington Palace > Thankyou Bjarne, Kensington palace sounds perfect! > I'm not even going to see if they have a website so it will all be a > lovely suprise. > > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:56:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFumSP020746 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFubOj005180; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFuGDW016995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFuCAX087919; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFX2SG069251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0CFWPhZ000444 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:28 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60068.64.156.242.51.1137079964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com><20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com><16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com><005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion><006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67C36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kathleen, My area of study is 18th century hosiery, and I was doing reenactment of that era for about 18 years. Knitting needles are an even simpler tool, and can deal with different sizes of items. As a cottage industry, that's all a knitter would need. Some homes did have a knitting frame. We don't have extant wooden frames from that era except for possibly the purse frames, and no artwork or descriptions of that method. Until we do, it counts as experimental archeology. If she does have information, there are many people who would like to know about it! We've talked about it on the HistoricKnit list, and I think there is also a new list for peg-frame knitters. Can the peg frame increase or decrease for the calf and ankle? That is a feature of 18th century hosiery, whether it's hand knit or framework. -Carol > Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for > herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her > era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very > fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame > method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. > > Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the > concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage > crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Kocian" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > >> Kathleen said, >> >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting >> >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with >> >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the >> >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can >> >even turn a heel!! >> >> People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. >> "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a >> machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a >> small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no >> evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. >> >> -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:58:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwRAp020784 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwJIY020291; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFvnVI017227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFvhqS089354; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFc4C7073412 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p46so265222nfa for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RUYKNt+EDOrD3n5FlQjI6cJJEczDUJcwkS2f1o2sv/k+QWAegHsVIMvSAZRAS8LZg2Zs6aE6S1Ppa0hSLlBqwoEhwJnRW5H/WQYfyzXzR/UIKfAMmuly54ZJZwIPAPkaJdgmj0xnXF7yNKZoGIvWrkuaXq0oKaMS41J9dXeq7cw= Received: by 10.48.142.3 with SMTP id p3mr147430nfd; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.13 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:38:02 -0500 From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0CFc4C7073412 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67C9B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I have spent the weekend at an event > in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 10:58:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwkhZ020796 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CFwc39028098; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CFwCwN017317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFwBML089827; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CFfa9l076149 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71162 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112154024.01d3d940@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:41:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne In-Reply-To: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:58:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C67CAE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >would be hopeless to get anymore. >I will happily give this, for that quality! Bjarne Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You can mail me off list if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 11:26:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CGQ7NU021361 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CGPtFR020193; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CGNoHM021300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGNe0D013741; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGNaN3013647 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5515.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0D52628E2 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:23:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c61794$8fea8d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006501c6178c$9b708260$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060112154024.01d3d940@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:23:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C68313.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Suzi, Its no problem. Here is their website, even in english: http://www.broderiantik.dk/english/index.html Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. Bjarne > At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >>Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >>doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >>would be hopeless to get anymore. >>I will happily give this, for that quality! > > > Bjarne > > Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who > will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You > can mail me off list if you like. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:06:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CH63wA023689 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:06:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CH5s29007186; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CGw7Fw027382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGRUuq017136; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CGQqdW016630 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293320C50F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:42 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> References: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:26:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th cent circular peg knitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C68C72.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 8:56 AM -0700 1/12/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I have a friend who > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for >herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her era >for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she is very >fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame >method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. >Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the >concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage >crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. But it's not commonly mentioned nor pictured in any 18th cent sources I've seen (and I've been looking!)...there was a knitting frame--much more like a modern flat bed machine...If you have sources PLEASE PLEASE share!!!! I wanna know!!! Tho I fear this may be yet another case of they shoulda but they didn't :-( Ta Carol--knitting away on the forever socks (18th cent, combed, worsted, 2 ply blue/white ragg, ~12spi, ooooo needles) -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHMj7r024102 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHMbHV015318; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CHMBwP031846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHM5Jj069857; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHLoZo069605 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:21:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:21:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.175] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601121557.k0CFuYAR088289@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:21:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2006 17:21:49.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD41DA0:01C6179C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:22:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6905D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! "Menstrous clout" Just to add to your mental games, a clout is also a medieval shoemaking term, probably for patching, or adding a new outer sole over a damaged sole. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 12:27:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHRfO7024208 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHRTx9017433; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CHQnpO032533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHQl5E074199; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CHQb11073985 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d8.4cf30a0d (15864) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d30 (mblk-d30.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.22]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df843c6913d90; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7E5B4706E4674-13F0-1DD5@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <1058.67.188.164.116.1137045392.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.22 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C69181.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this type of garment. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIGtDF027045 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIGkoa007260; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIG0PL040856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIFo0m021503; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIFgr4021244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIFbvE028758 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:09 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0CIFgr4021244 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:16:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C69D0E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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Kimiko wrote: > Oh thank you for sharing this one. I have to get the calendar, even tho I > have no idea what a Chick-Fil-A store is. I just loved April's Boldhoof in > kilt and claymore, and August's Kobe Kowsumoto. I was rolling in laughter. The calendar is even funnier close-up and in person, since there's a lot of detail you can't see in thumbnails. Chick-Fil-A is a fast-food chicken place, slightly more upscale than KFC. (Disclaimer- I've never eaten there; I've only been in one last month to buy calendars...) You can either buy the calendar on-line at their website or save on postage and get one in-store. http://www.chickfila.com/home.asp The calendar comes up on the home page, and if you click on "locations" on the top bar, you can search for a location near you. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:36:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIaKlL028383 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIZxUL015744; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CISkrA043485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CISfV0034694; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CISZTA034466 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 39652 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 18:28:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OTmpbEltlFDRTAmVwFo6xU03192siMesqs+ccIba375GHmXlbcG37UgJ5fsspwRly4rZ45QGvnPhr4iZVAoHWiK6qpMdDOK3/dAeGqCoiC428J9L5Yzu4cxfNf1IXBt0FzfokDG8pd2l3NKs5s3CsBMiXT3BMp38kkrsr5d22NA= ; Message-ID: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.49.181] by web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C7E5B4706E4674-13F0-1DD5@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 43C6A194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 13:39:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIdTpm028429 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CIdItj017191; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CIblCg045298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIbjGs044098; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CIbehR043838 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c2.3848fbf1 (15974) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M10 (mblk-m10.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.43]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e6643c6a1e3310; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 From: taniampembroke@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E5BE5CECE31F-CCC-5C0@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 65.10.249.52 by MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.43) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:37:23 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.43 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:39:24 -0500 (EST) I've always had good luck with Margos patterns. It seems to me that no matter what pattern or company that you go with you always have to tweak something. Tania Pembroke -----Original Message----- From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 14:13:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJDIJw029888 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJD9UW016042; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJCGTD050873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJC6DO077764; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52108.mail.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CJC3GL077634 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:12:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 21274 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 19:11:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r3KvVh6Ye/W3N9jbThd8249byLsj3KJQeTBpfvyFFrRFGCdEr8WliU6Imvm7OGnSEaJ5DIvTLzSm7F4Sj4SmZZpzxGFgCxdpitde/Aue4Wa5HLtPLfuoTNQisM7R/tJKriDGHfXbVvzlZ+2Ha7s0aLqjQnxeGMWRFWCqs1ZsD0E= ; Message-ID: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:11:57 EST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAP088289@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6AA45.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've been quiet and watching this convresation evolve, and honestly I have been enjoying myself. It gives food for thought as to why these underwear, and another Venetian pair that indeed look like men's breeches, exist in the first place. It also further develops the question as to why one of them is stained in a strategic place. I'll throw some opinions and theories out there and see why others think... conversation fodder. This collection is referred to as the Sicilian Bride. Following along with the lingerie philosophy that "it's not the contents, but the packaging that make it sweeter" would it be a habit to "wrap the prize" of marriage to further entice the couple into consummation? By extension, the other pair that are listed as undergarments: http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extdraw2.htm and given the blatant nature of the phrase all over them, are we back to the "underwear on women are for enticement" theory? It also seems odd to put so much decorative effort into a marginally functional garment if they were not in regular use. I think it was Lawner that mentioned a text reference to courtesans and prostitutes being church sanctioned in order to try and turn the homosexual males back to a more biblical way of life. I think there was also mention of some women cross dressing for this very reason - playing an erotic cross-gendering game. Would it not be another type of erotic game to dress like a woman but wear men's underwear underneath all that obvious femininity? I think too that we have to take into account the culture these underwear are attached - Sicilian, not Italian as many people believe. Sicily is more attached to Spain than it is Italy at this time. I am rather vague on both Spanish and Sicilian 16th c. cultures to really make any comment on the commonality of intimate undergarments for women. I think our general ignorance on the subject of feminine hygiene has nothing to do with it not being written down. I suspect it's more due to it being hidden away, my guess would be typical of the Victorian, possibly earlier depending on the social mores of the time and place. I have an entire book written on childbirth and its' associated rituals in Venice. It contains some surprisingly frank art within it's covers. Unfortunately, since it deals with childbirth as an event, there is no real mention of how menses are handled in it. I would suspect though, that if we followed the authors' original sources, we would find more than our share of information. In all of the primary texts that I have come across relative to sexuality in general, the Venetians at least, are very straightforward and have a rather colourful and broad vocabulary covering such private topics. Looking up "sangue" in Florios' 1611 Italian-English Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. Looking up "menses" I get a period (pardon the pun) term for a woman's monthly: "Mnstruo: a womans monethly(sic) termes, issues, fluxes, sheddings or flowers. Also silver(?) among Alchemists." Flowers?! So they really weren't any less frank about it than we are, really. And honestly we are just as allusive today as they were then - that whole "period" and "flowers" thing. Therein lies a possible explanation as to why we know little about the topic - code words that were used amongst familiar groups that are meaningless to us today. Either way, it bears looking into. My general opinion on the stained underwear I mentioned above is the possibility of proof of consummation. The provenance of the garments suggests that the woman in question was possibly not that well-to-do, perhaps from a convent orphanage. If she married above her station, mayhap this was her insurance against annulment? It would seem odd to save stained underwear in a time when all fabrics were too precious not to put into regular daily use, or sell off for rags. I suppose I will know more when I see them in person - if the stain looks undisturbed or washed several times since their discolouration. Anyway, food for thought. Kathy It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 14:26:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJQX85030256 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CJQPp1024650; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJPfaM052835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJPcUb090407; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CJPYs2090247 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:25:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44223 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2006 19:25:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WHaRzfek8fRzyPChIFlnwQckob7E3T19SIuurCHYvWydWd7meMKBwpZRPL5WcGzZ+0hLdooFIvVykJObFiJFUt5dQ/ikLtlcOhV03X/BEXNK69MkI/9J+hhxfvHQsY5539y20kSBY6vfhtjfUsNSrVImngjiY8KsvNW6uIqv7ic= ; Message-ID: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:28 PST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:26:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6AD61.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hey Carol K, e-friend and sock guru, thanks for all the info on machine/frame knit sock (what is the correct term, or are all the terms correct, but for different techniques?) The spousal unit (Corporal Dappert) bought a pair or the machine knit Civil war socks. in coton. they look good (to me, but I only know enought to be dangerous), they are in natural color cotton, and have no elastic. and very little give. They are supremely hard to get on and off.. I'll have to dig them out and look at the heel to see what kind of heel was put in. real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us in the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, but faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that clock, which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I'm still experimenting with differen fabrics for the stiffness factor. I have a piece of wool jersey that has been washed and fulled up nicely, AND is a bit stiffer. Do you know what the frequency is of stockings done in wool, but not knitted (Just general is good...) MIa in Charlotte, headed to Cowpens SC, where she won't be needing ANY stockings cause the weather here is in the 60s --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:32:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWTfV006814 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWKOu003365; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMS9u7080403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CKtYl4075961; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0CKtEFL075607 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 88836 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2006 20:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.16.121 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2006 20:55:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112205329.01da6e08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:54:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] att. 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At 16:23 12/01/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Its no problem. Here is their website, even in english: >http://www.broderiantik.dk/english/index.html > >Bjarne > > >>At 15:26 12/01/2006, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>Ok, but i can asure you compared to the linen i imported from >>>Rotterdam that i made my 18th century shirt of, wich costed me >>>doubble as much, it is outstanding quality wich i really thoaght >>>would be hopeless to get anymore. >>>I will happily give this, for that quality! >> >>Bjarne >>Do you have an address for this? I have a friend in Copenhagen who >>will be visiting in a few weeks, and could maybe bring me some. You >>can mail me off list if you like. >>Suzi Thank you so much I was just talking with my friend, and she is coming over in about 4 weeks, so that gives her long enough to go and have a look and maybe buy some, or get a sample. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWTGR006813 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMWKmZ014706; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMS9u9080403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CK0Gct022444; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CJxsjV022158 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0CJxmeY022874 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:59:48 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.40.77] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-40-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.40.77]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CJxJAO025256 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:59:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:58:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. In-Reply-To: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:32:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6D8F4.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us in > the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, but > faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that clock, > which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I'm still > experimenting with differen fabrics for the stiffness factor. I have a > piece of wool jersey that has been washed and fulled up nicely, AND is a > bit stiffer. Do you know what the frequency is of stockings done in > wool, but not knitted (Just general is good...) I'm not much of a knitter, but I have a book called "Folk Socks", which has every kind of heel I ever say, and several I never did before, all with knitting instructions for them. (I haven't been following this thread, so I don't know if this book has been mentioned.) It also has many kinds of toe, also with instructions. These might go as far back as the early 1700s, or possibly the late late 1600s. I also have Mr. Rutts book on the history of hand knitting, and that has lots of pictures of SCA-able knitted pieces, including the socks Eleanor of Toledo was buried in, and a pair of knitted Pluderhosen! (Really. They're amazing.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 17:52:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMptaJ007174 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CMplxH025071; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CMpPwx084332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CMpMqR079932; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CMpCpI079787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0369.floodcity.net ([198.93.212.115]:4939 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1ExBHh-0004TR-Mr for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <43C6DD59.4030704@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:05 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200601121556.k0CFuYAQ088289@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Menses discussion. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C6DD83.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This is the second list I am on with similar discussions going on, about different eras, but I was getting them confused til I realised it was different lists. LOL Now I'm going to make sure to ask my mom how she dealt with it as a young girl in the Poor 30s. her family was quite poor so They could have easily been using methods which were 30 or so years old. Thanks for the impetus, I might never have thought to wonder til she was gone. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 23:04:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D44Kg7017877 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4460g012797; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D42reI028683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D42Zfu007755; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D42VQU007720 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=djTQ6H4kOxOpiU3e67RS0UOnjZuYkjz8NNi2w5m0rg40PPSg/17P1dJtm3a8o9oT; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.147.78] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExG91-0007bT-Gi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:02:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060112191157.21272.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <389C1484-0475-4446-8870-F0D2448E9F31@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:02:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47818a79fc3be0550a50db4ff489e8d2e89d1d8a36c12c098c8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.147.78 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C726B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kathy Page wrote: > I've been quiet and watching this convresation evolve, > and honestly I have been enjoying myself. It gives > food for thought as to why these underwear, and > another Venetian pair that indeed look like men's > breeches, exist in the first place. It also further > develops the question as to why one of them is stained > in a strategic place. I'd like to note that the conclusion "medieval European women are portrayed wearing underpants only as a symbolic appropriation of masculinity" applies specifically to the medieval era. By the 16th century in both Italy and Spain (somewhat earlier in Spain than Italy) the social rules had clearly shifted. And outside Europe, the "pants=masculinity" equation can't be assumed at all. Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 12 23:58:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4w9Cl019133 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D4w07E003899; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D4uH6q034881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D4u6sF040394; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D4u0Lg040327 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp38.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.38]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0D4ripj016111 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:54:01 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060112233757.00dcbe90@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:57:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Stocking frame images source Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings In-Reply-To: <60068.64.156.242.51.1137079964.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <200601091921.k09JKff2037969@net.indra.com> <20060109200948.73450.qmail@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0601091301j339e802as@mail.gmail.com> <005d01c61593$e13bb440$84bfa6d8@pavilion> <006101c615f0$3217e940$915083d1@rmitchellras> <008301c61783$5bd9e8c0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C73358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello everyone: Maybe people have seen these already, but as fate would have it, I just came across an illustration and a model of stocking frames at this site, the Science & Society Picture Library London, which includes 30,000 images from the Science Museum, National Railway Museum, and National Museum of Photography, Film and Television. (I hope that "Digbig" comes through for me - I'm trying to learn to use it more and the url was enormous!) 1750's: http://digbig.com/4fxwq Caption: Engraving taken from the Universal Magazine showing three textile workers spinning yarn, winding bobbins and using a stocking frame to knit woollen stockings. 1770's: http://digbig.com/4fxwr This knitting machine, although made in about 1770, is similar to the original frame invented by Reverend William Lee in 1589. Knitting, when a surface is made by interlooping a single thread with itself, is the second principle method of fabric manufacture. A knitted cloth is extensible in every direction, and will fit the body in a way impossible with woven fabric. The original stocking frame of 1589 was a remarkably complicated machine for its time and employed, for the first time, the spring needles and other devices still used today. If that doesn't work, try a search using "stockings" at: http://www.ingenious.org.uk/See/ The work that international museums, libraries, historical societies (not to forget individuals) in putting up image databases is absolutely brilliant. Sheridan Alder At 10:32 AM 1/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Kathleen, > > My area of study is 18th century hosiery, and I was doing reenactment >of that era for about 18 years. Knitting needles are an even >simpler tool, and can deal with different sizes of items. As a >cottage industry, that's all a knitter would need. Some homes did >have a knitting frame. > > We don't have extant wooden frames from that era except for possibly >the purse frames, and no artwork or descriptions of that method. >Until we do, it counts as experimental archeology. If she does have >information, there are many people who would like to know about it! >We've talked about it on the HistoricKnit list, and I think there is >also a new list for peg-frame knitters. > > Can the peg frame increase or decrease for the calf and ankle? That >is a feature of 18th century hosiery, whether it's hand knit or >framework. > > -Carol > > > > Ah, but I mentioned yesterday that I have a friend who > > has a circular wooden Frame on which she makes no- seam stockings for > > herself and her man. She was working on a pair at Christmas time. Her > > era for reenactment is the 18th century. As a spinner and weaver, she >is very > > fussy to maintain traditional fiber arts for her time period. This frame > > method can even manipulate the turning of a heel. > > > > Now I do not know how early this style of knitting was known, but the > > concept is basically simple and could have been fashioned by any cottage > > crafter as a means of producing leg wear, hats and neck scarves. > > > > Kathleen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol Kocian" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting stockings > > > > > >> Kathleen said, > >> >I have a friend who "does" 18th Century. She is currently knitting > >> >stockings on a wooden frame about 8" diameter. This is set with > >> >wooden pegs and the fiber is worked in much the same manner as the > >> >Knitty-knobby one might use to make cording. She says that one can > >> >even turn a heel!! > >> > >> People have been looking for info on this as an early practice. > >> "Frame knit" stockings in the 18th century meant they were made on a > >> machine that was invented by Reverend Lee in the 16thC. There is a > >> small item that may have been used as a frame to knit purses, but no > >> evidence yet on peg frames being used for stockings. > >> > >> -Carol > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 01:31:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6VUrR021762 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:31:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6VM7M010404; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:31:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D6TAD9044726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6T3MN094585; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6T0XR094551 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7A2C3C058A; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:24:34 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c6180a$a3e71d90$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112012004.01d7f3c0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Clout is an old word for cloth. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear Well, the only reference I have ever seen to women's menses or the items associated with it, was in Philip Stubbes "Anatomy of Abuses" (can't remember the page # off the top of my head) when he referred to someone as a "menstrous clout". I would hazard a guess that there might be other references hidden in odd places like Stubbes but they will take some dedicated digging. It's funny, for me, this reference always started a word association "game" in my brain which ended with visions of a nappy/diaper like arrangement. I freely admit that there is no basis in fact that I have been able to discover, for this idea but the word "clout" just always triggered a train of thought that at some point ran through "breech clout" and ended with the nappy/diaper image. Cheers, Danielle At 11:23 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote: >This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did >16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I >know, but how were they held up? This part of clothing never seems to >be dealt with, though the Costume Society of America ("Dress") once >had an article on 19th C. inovations. > >Dame Catriona MacDuff >Interested in 16th C. womens issues _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 01:45:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6jof4022195 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:45:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0D6jgFQ015865; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0D6j2XG046105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6iwL6004120; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0D6itlJ004085 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB5E3440A72; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:40:30 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a guy. That would really help, because they really are larger and stronger (usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 11:32:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DGWspq007293 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DGWjp4005422; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DGQTc0036842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DGQEQs075177; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav13.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DGQ6Qd075048 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:26:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.128 by BAY108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.128] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2006 16:26:05.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D85E8F0:01C6185E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings (long) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:32:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7D62E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0DGWspq007293 Carol wrote: >Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. >Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 >that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably >could not have been done any other way. > However, I thought you said the cut & sewn were the most common >for mid-19th century. I have not seen that in extant stockings in >museum collections. There are certainly hand-knit stockings, and >those that are knit to shape. I never said they were the most common, I said they were the best available option; documented period technique using period appropriate fibers. What dating criteria have you been using in your examinations? As you previously stated this was not a period technique, perhaps you misinterpreted what you were examining. Also, we are all aware that the items in museums tend to be representative of those fine, expensive items of the upper classes as opposed to the common everyday items of the middle or lower classes, which were usually used and reused until nothing was left. The employments of women also states that one single factory was employing 700 women to sew stockings, unfortunately it does not state how many per day they could complete, but that's a very large workforce for the time period - there most have been a demand for the product. >From >The employments of women: a cyclopaedia of woman's work./ By Virginia Penny. >Penny, Virginia, b. 1826.Penny, Virginia, How women can make money. >Boston: Walker, Wise, & Company1863. > >Hosiers: >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into >the articles wanted. >Work done by steam power is not so neat; the selvages are not well >made, and the goods must be cut and sewed in seams. Many women are >employed in hosiery manufactures where steam is used. > Is this an advertisement for ladies to buy this machine and use >it at home? It's a bit confusing considering they mention steam >power. Having to cut the yardgoods to shape does not seem like >knitting the perfect stocking. The Aiken's machine was hand-cranked and focused towards home manufacture. Steam power was used in the factories. There were issues with converting machinery originally intended for hand power to steam power. The steam power was so powerful (if not properly regulated) that the older equipment frequently did not function optimally - it simply couldn't keep up. I suspect in knitted goods, it led to imperfect knitting, obviously especially along the selvedges > I heard that someone was knitting stockings on some sort of >machine for Civil War reenactment use. But then he stopped for some >reason? I believe Mickey Childs (not sure I'm remembering the name correctly) was making men's socks and there was some controversy on the heel construction. I'm not aware of anyone ever making correct machine knit ladies stockings. I personally don't knit and am not in a position to pay some a reasonable fee for the time and energy it would take for them to handknit a pair of stockings (pet peeve of mine - too many people doing intricate handwork price their items too low, they don't place a respectable value on their time, talent, knowledge, etc.). So again, I feel comfortable reproducing a period technique with the best available approximation of a period textile. Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net Making them from knit yardgoods is a good way to get something better, short of handknitting. Since the original question was about 18th century, it may or may not be perfectly authentic - depends on the decade being reproduced. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 12:13:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHD6OD008843 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHCwNO000383; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DHC21G042983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DHBvZ2016697; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DDw1fn060344 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fa.185eadca (16035) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M29 (mblk-m29.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.73]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea343c7b1de6e; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:49 -0500 From: chindora@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E66079101F36-FC-B59B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> Received: from 216.199.167.48 by MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:57:48 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060112182830.39650.qmail@web82009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.73 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7DF9A.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have never really used commercial patterns for historical costuming, but have drafted my own based on pictures of period pattern pieces. When I bought this set, I was hoping for more detailed directions, perhaps more period methods of assembling the garments. I was extremely frustrated several times, and like I said at one point the directions had me assembling a part inside out, but when it was all said and done I was thrilled with the finished outfit. The pattern pieces, for the most part, made sense, but someone else pointed out (on Margo's site, I believe) that they did not rely on the directions and simply used the pattern pieces. I am not saying it is a pattern without merit, just forewarning you that it is a first run and still has mistakes. My suggestion is that you hook up with someone else who has a good bit of sewing experience to help you over the rough spots. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: REBECCA BURCH To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. --- chindora@aol.com wrote: > I just bought and made that pattern in November, and > found that there were several corrections to pattern > pieces, directions left off in some places, and at > one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I > cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so > I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember > fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to > me that doing what made sense at the time was the > right thing to do. > > I would not recommend this pattern for someone who > is not already familiar with basic construction > techniques for this type of garment. > > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: A & J Garden > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 > Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens > pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an > answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that > needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but > I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten > me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 12:17:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHHn2n008942 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DHHfqd003572; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DHGwp5043767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DHGtek021675; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DGUAdB078509 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13168 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 16:30:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uahvGt03/6O6BE2jXpSv+WHxb7S7pkHwrByozStUiubCfC6QunXdzBz3pgpU9rGX3+xbmIds21WBsao3j9IctxCmMYn8RBmnqkLc8/wIaPRKKndvbtLMAmmzjUYfAwHaGDSmWthMC8wsy/P7DjYML0aXdqtG6/EKgvaJtUB2Lvs= ; Message-ID: <20060113163004.13166.qmail@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:30:04 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601120305.k0C35C6T024313@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:17:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7E0B5.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Becky, I posted some pix on my site. In the back view, you can see the kids feet peeking out from under the dress. Our costume doesn't have wheels (yet), it was the San Francisco Ballet that did. http://www.quite-contrary.org/images/DSC_0479.JPG http://www.quite-contrary.org/images/DSC_0223.JPG The bodice is separate from the skirt, and the skirt is also in two pieces. The top piece is attached to the frame, while the "skirting" (if you know what I mean) is attached by velcro just under the top pink ruffle. It's very heavy! They have used this costume for 10+ years, and it's looking rather down at the heels and droopy now! :-) ~mary Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:12:51 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger I would appreciate seeing other costumes for Mother Ginger. We want to put it on wheels as well. maybe I can tell from the pictures. Thanks for the offer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger > Hi Becky, > > My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M > Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. > You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could > be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to > create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape > and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape > and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to > come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold > the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers > who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is > attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M > Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. > > We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that > their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about > that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing > the costume and it "glides" across the stage. > > I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if > you'd like to see them. > > HTH, > ~mary > «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 13:55:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DIt28I012709 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:55:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DIsrUI002135; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:54:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DIsB9m060205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DIrwsv012528; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DIrqvf012357 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 15178 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 18:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 18:53:44 -0000 Message-ID: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "angelalazear" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:53:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C7F77D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Listies, Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) Ease of threading Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) thanks! +++++ Angela F. 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Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 15:33:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKXS2Q015781 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKXG7V003916; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DKV31U073460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKUv4r095269; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKUrbl095213 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:30:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:30:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2006 20:30:52.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F9F1AB0:01C61880] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C80E8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! My hobbylock 784 was purchased about 15years ago, at the time it was well over 1000$, but I'm sure they've come down in price. It's been put through it paces working in several professional shops, carted back and forth to classes I've taught and is still running smooth and strong, with only a minor repair of a screw other than regular cleaning and timing check. It's relatively small for a 4 thread, and easy as pie to thread! Hope that helps! Kelly > Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) > Ease of threading > Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) > Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) > > thanks! > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume Design > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram > W. Shakespeare > > http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 15:42:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKgdNQ016065 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DKgV2X010138; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DKfFth075151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKfCPr004512; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DKf8A2004391 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C3039693B for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:10:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> References: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:10:08 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:42:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C810B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 12:02 PM -0700 1/13/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm >going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of >fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: > >Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) >Ease of threading >Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) >Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) I wore out a second hand Toyota doing lots of stupid over the top stuff--it lasted 6+ years and cost ~$120. I then got a White from JoAnn's for under $200 and it is running strong--and the def. feed is sooo nice! And it is easy to thread at 2am with a deadline looming. Both are small footprint machines. I sew heavy dog gear so YMMV. I figure that if I get 3-5 years of heavy use out of the White it's a good deal. Ta Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite friend has... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:20:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLKttX018948 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLKlsF004088; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLIoPn080221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLIhdK037005; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DLIdSj036847 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 71016 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 21:18:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZOhcWxx/R4NmoMCLq+fiHaHRpcvTes8PYtDRyetpe4VtNeeGpmUZvVe4yYdHIm0frW7UaNId6bv84Ne+CXddAF9zKmpgWDVI08u1tXzbreDrv4HrB00T/0FV7qG697Gb5rRJepA3TbXWK5nkdeTK6RRPyIPkakdB/hjh2dpJW4w= ; Message-ID: <20060113211831.71014.qmail@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.169] by web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:18:31 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:18:31 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: serger To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:20:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C819AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Carol - Have you looked at Lehman's for your treadle serger? They are a major supplier to the Amish community. We looked at them for old style cast iron kettles and I was amazed at what they carry. Rebecca --- cahuff wrote: > At 12:02 PM -0700 1/13/06, > Ta > Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger > like my Mennonite > friend has... > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLQ1a0019122 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLPrpF007602; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:25:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLPIfM081434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLPFXM042865; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLP2dH042646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLOsiX008975 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:24:25 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: serger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C81AE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>> cahuff@clearviewcatv.net 01/13/06 3:10 PM >>> >Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite friend has... I was truly intrigued by this, so I went looking. Here's someone who built, actually converted, her own! http://www.mushycat.com/wiki/index.php?n=Treadles.SergerConversion Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 16:33:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLXxoY019277 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DLXpcN012924; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DLX26W082599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DLWr6g049536; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DLWmSC049395 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42641 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 21:32:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VZHEOppvhpIpBHYWDO0nzujSC0N6xz62nxYpuoz6uvwE8ngJuBE6mXIDuE/i7MefFsEDG1KAc2YTW4ky9fbIhyyLCA0YWtEnsqOgfCxB5wylFJ56q4REEWq9k5HODEjYBD/hvdqS5/814WnPEZPscOc9hQ5k/Gv2vW5+muNJZ4c= ; Message-ID: <20060113213242.42639.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:32:42 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: RE: [h-cost] att. Bjarne To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C81CBF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hiya. A meter is a little bit more than a yard. 6 danish kr is about a dollar at the moment. So a bit more than a yard of this material is about 50 dollars ;-). Very expensive I know, but fabrics are expensive in Denmark since we have a 25% sales tax. Tania otsisto wrote: Roughly what is that in American dollars and inches. :) Actually, how do you get to the site with the linens? De -----Original Message----- You can get it at Broderi Antik for 399 dkr a meter. it is about 140 cm wide. Hope you can use this info Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 17:36:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMajY3021547 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMabKY017674; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMZqFe093085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMZl4A006749; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DMZhQJ006581 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:35:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2489 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 22:35:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UBsMx3JoEjeisaltMC3aaG3UMQYy1cucCYMVCGLq2eo9m8TRi3vFgM5YiYJtOyji9lkC/dchZ3QBjdppX9LhbEvsEh1ivBJrxlf0o+fCMN/jR4uszYjGBw3HMYRva5loGsy9oiiPaH16pQj9jJxsVpK/4pfNQDywCShYA2QN4fI= ; Message-ID: <20060113223538.2487.qmail@web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web36511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:35:38 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121901.k0CJ09V9066060@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Mother Ginger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:36:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82B75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathy, I guess I missed your post in November, or I would have replied then. I have no clue how they curved the PVC pipe (the costume was made long before my daughter was ever in Nutcracker). I could ask the director though, as I will see her tonight. They used the pipe that's about 3" diameter, so it's very stiff, it won't collapse. Your ladder contraption sounds very precarious! We have a tall mom who portrays MG and she wears platform shoes to give her a bit more height (I sent links to pix earlier today and you can see the shoes in one of them). With the current configuration, the whole thing hangs off of her shoulders and she walks onto stage, does some silly stuff (like puts on lipstick & a tiara), spins once, and then lets the Gingersnaps out. She did have a mishap this year (first time ever!) where the skirt tipped forward and she stepped on the front hem of the skirt. Luckily she didn't fall! I think that adding the wheels to the bottom of the dress frame will take most of the weight off of her and also stabilize it. Just have to figure out how to attach them.... The SF Ballet article link was their old production. The whole thing was redone last year, set in the Edwardian period (OCC -- really lovely period costumes!!). The MG dress has the same shape, but now looks more like an 18th c. dress with panniers. I was not able to find an image online, but we did buy a program and I will look at it tonight to see if there's an image of MG. I suppose you could try sending an email to SF Ballet and ask them for advice, too. ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:15:09 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was bas! ed o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 17:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMgKeZ021656 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DMgC7A020840; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMfmmg093957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMfkp2011763; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DMfg7x011624 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64696 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2006 22:41:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p2czpmuZ1FyC/J8i1iNXhfU1wtLLX8AXd0ywpZeeZ1q80qzTxBg7sDzip4AQOqOITa1X84a2U8YXcyvnDqAB6e17VudATVG2ltCo4FYpz/K/C93CJN2NgbZGPVq6xNFPELcsWwBv3uIxEKNi6Ho9dsIBm1lI/4n05iZRzL3WQRA= ; Message-ID: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.204.32] by web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:41:36 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601121901.k0CJ09V9066060@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: margo pattern question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82CC4.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and finally gave up in frustration and went on to another project. It's been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought it was me, since I had never made anything like it before. Now I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start working on it again... :-) ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:21 -0500 From: chindora@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] margo pattern question I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this type of garment. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: A & J Garden To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:04:55 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] margo pattern question Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. 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(nicolaa55@70.27.127.29 with plain) by smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2006 22:41:56 -0000 Message-ID: <43C82CBA.5010406@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:42:02 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [Bulk] [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> In-Reply-To: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:47:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C82DFC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Greetings-- angelalazear wrote: > I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm > going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot > of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: > > Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) > Ease of threading > Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) > Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) I've had a Janome myLock 134 for about 12 years now. It occasionally gets cranky with old needles and slices threads, but that thing is a tank and extremely non-fussy otherwise. I should really be nicer to it and get it tuned up. I'm sure the threading on the newer models is a bit easier--this one was bought back in the relative Old Days. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:11:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNBCMN022140 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNB46C005774; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DMxSXf096394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMXJNj004434; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DMX9BC004162 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006011322330201400dlad2e>; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:02 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:01 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:33:01 +0000 Message-Id: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stitch example? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:11:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83388.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it then teach my students. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:13:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNDjg3022181 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNDb6m007299; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNCr1q098365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNCnAu037711; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNCeR3037577 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ba.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BE6B5EE01E for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:12:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pride and prejudice (late) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83421.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I went to the movies today and watched what you already saw long time ago, Pride and Prejudice. Movies always are late here, dont know why, Casanova is coming in april. Well i must say that i lost my heart totally to this version of Austens novel. The characters were well chosen, settings and situations was gorgeous, and especially the interriors of Longborn Manor was to die for. Excatly what i have in my head of that time. Peassants at your doorway and geese and hens at the front opening, very romantic and very realistic to me. Even the costumes was absolutely lovely, i simply think the costumer had hit the right situation, that a remote place in the country would be far behind from such a daring and shocking fashion change as the regency was. How delighted to see the anglaise dresses used, and mr Bennet dressed in oldfashioned long waistcoat, from the 1750ies. I was so diverted and i really would like to go again to watch it tomorrow. Bravo................ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNqNWW022869 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNqEFU028417; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNpMEO003941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpGc2069080; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpBuH068940 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FEE396ABC for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:50:45 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601132241.k0DMflpK011783@net.indra.com> References: <200601132241.k0DMflpK011783@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:50:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Serger X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83D2E.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 3:41 PM -0700 1/13/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >>Carol still looking for a treadle powered serger like my Mennonite >friend has... > >I was truly intrigued by this, so I went looking. Here's someone who >built, actually converted, her own! >http://www.mushycat.com/wiki/index.php?n=Treadles.SergerConversion Veddy Cool!!!! Guess I'll have to get the Toyota repaired now to use as a 'victim'... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 18:59:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNxBlt022970 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DNx3QZ031962; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DNpR9k003965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpRE6069235; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DNpOTX069115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ExYhJ-0005Ya-FY; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 Message-ID: <20060113175109.bgiyavkojdo0swkw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:09 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: margo pattern question References: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060113224136.64694.qmail@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:59:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C83EC7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Quoting Mary : > I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and > finally gave up in frustration and went on to another project. It's > been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought > it was me, since I had never made anything like it before. Now I > feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start > working on it again... :-) > In case you don't know, there's an e-list at yahoo for Margo's Patterns run by Margo herself. She's an active participant, and eagerly solicits places like this so that she can *fix* them in the next release of the pattern. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/margospatterns/ Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:07:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07cbs023149 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07UJ3002921; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E05QT2006486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E05Q2s081352; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0DJg729054701 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30638 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2006 20:38:39 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:38:39 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840C2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hello everyone, For those of you who had input on my silk taffeta question, I have another question related to the first one: When you buy your taffeta, what weight do you look for? I found 2.25 oz. silk taffeta for $16.98/yard (denverfabrics.com) I found 4 oz. silk taffeta for $22.00/yard (distinctivefabrics.com) I found ? weight silk taffeta (labeled lightweight) for $11.00/yard (fashionfabricsclub.com) I found ? weight silk taffeta for $30.99/yard (fabrics.net) The weight silk I would buy would be the 4 oz. kind and my supplier has even heavier silk taffeta (5.30 oz.) but I don't know the cost yet. Is 4 oz. considered heavy enough for what we do? Or is 5.30 oz. preferable? Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:07:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07nTT023155 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E07fuE029312; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E06KAQ006745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E06Jrv082287; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DN8BkX034076 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ExY1i-0006Vj-8N for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:08:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:06:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote >> I have spent the weekend at an event >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E075Mo023133 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:07:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E06vP6003993; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E02AWE005919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E026bV078359; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from courageux.concentric.com (courageux.concentric.com [207.155.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DJQVDb041387 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by courageux.concentric.com id OAA01098; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:26:30 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTD019606@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0DJQVDb041387 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C840A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! OK. I can make knit yardgoods (5 knitting machines). What would the stitches per inch be? Is there a decent pattern anywhere? Julie ---- wrote: > >Ok, I'm convinced the cut-from-yardgoods stockings existed. > >Come to think of it, there is a stocking I looked at from around 1880 > >that fit the category - one of the fancy knit fabrics that probably > >could not have been done any other way. SNIP > >A knitting machine has been invented in Seneca, N. Y., that is said > >to knit a perfect stocking in less than five minutes. Aikens's > >knitting machines are very popular. We have thought ladies would do > >well to try them, and devote themselves to making up hosiery. We' > >doubt not but it would pay very well. - The cloth is knit in a > >straight piece, and another lady cuts it into shape and sews into > >the articles wanted.> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:15:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0Fm3c023304 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0FeeH008496; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E051RH006415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E04vRp080853; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0DJbTva050668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0DJbJQ9020745 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:37:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:37:19 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:36:45 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0DJbTva050668 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C842AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/13/06 1:44 AM >>> >It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a guy. >That would really help, because they really are larger and stronger >(usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Yes, I know--and more often than not Mother Ginger *is* a guy--just for the comedy factor. We had wanted to use a guy-- we were trying to get a local celebrity, like a DJ--but the Artistic Director nixed that idea, too. (Can you tell we had many artistic differances?) So it ended up being Clara's mother, Mrs. Stahlbaum, who had no more to do after Act I was over (and who, by the way, just happens to be my daughter. This production was the 20th anniversary of the first time the company did Nutcracker. Twenty years ago, Gretchen was Clara--now she came back to play her own mother!) >Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. Well, remember Gretchen was sitting on top of a 4-foot ladder--she was the eqivalent of about a 7' person anyway! We need whatever device they use to drive parade floats around! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:33:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0XGvj023684 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0X83d016812; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0WRC2009969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0WOCl000152; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0WK0e099970 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip21-10.charter.net ([10.20.202.71]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060114003215.YMFQ4943.mtai03.charter.net@mxip21-10.charter.net> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:32:15 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip21-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2006 19:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <4lnroc$8lufli@mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:31:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43C5F187.4090607@earthlydelights.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYXPTU4L5MbitiHRcq58POky+FUKgBYo+yQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C846C4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? > I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm > pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to > the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - > can anyone here enlighten me? > Thanks in advance, Aylwen Just what problems are you having? I have made the doublet a few times for my husband and don't recall having any troubles. I just checked my pattern instructions for any notes that I might have jotted down (I try to do this so I remember if I changed something for the next time) and have nothing recorded for the neck-piece at all. >I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, >directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I >had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it >seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. >I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this >type of garment. >~Kimberley I would agree with you that Margo's patterns do need a bit of prior sewing experience. I have also found places where an step is left out - obvious if you've sewn before, but not so obvious if this is your first sewing experience. >Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one >you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. >Rebecca Burch There is really no better pattern than Margo's on the market (my opinion, of course!) Her patterns are well researched and I think fulfill the qualification of "historically accurate". The only way you could get more accurate is to draft your own pattern using Janet Arnold, or some other costume historian's sketches (or your own, if you are so lucky). What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the costume liaison. >I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and finally gave up in frustration and went on to >another project. It's been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought it was me, since I had never >made anything like it before. Now I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start working on it >again... :-) > ~mary Again, I do not have any notes at the doublet collar section of my pattern instructions. It is a tricky part, but if you follow the instructions *very* *carefully*, it works fine. It is one of those spots where I found I can't go rushing through, or I will mess up. OK, I'm reading the instructions themselves over carefully. I think that the step that is missing is to slash the seam allowance to the inside corner dot, so that the piece will pivot and be able to sew the collar piece to the shoulder/front. Does that make sense? Not something that I needed to note for myself, because I just knew/figured what needed to be done from prior experiences. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:52:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0q0Vu024090 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0pouZ027779; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0pHkb012044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0pEFw012653; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0pC8E012543 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.137.78]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060114005106.EYBB29039.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c618a4$5f776080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:49:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:51:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C84B26.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am *finally* finishing my version of an early period Irish short coat for my Husband, and I find I am nearly out of one particular colour of DMC Medicis wool. I go to check the website of the shop I usually buy from (I cannot get any locally) only to find that since I last ordered from them they no longer carry it. Grrr! (This is the second time this has happened to me with this particular line of wool, apparently I'm one of the very few people that actually uses it.) What I am looking for is a Canadian shop that carries Medicis, that will do mail-order/online. I'm in 'Northern' Ontario, but I'd consider anything within reasonable shipping distance. US suppliers are fine as well, provided they don't charge an arm and a leg for shipping. :-) Thanks folks for any help! Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* " I'm Irish! When I am well, I am better than everyone, when I am hurt I yell at the top of my lungs, and when I am dead I shall be deader than anybody! " _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 19:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0sGhQ024318 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E0s8VL013279; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E0rZj8012254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0rWcP013976; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E0rScs013928 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.80.98] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtpauth10.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ExZfb-0005yE-Al for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:53:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> References: <011020061940.16941.43C40D970000B6F60000422D22058864429C0A0901030704020704 0A0C9C019D@comcast.net> <37ee9e000601101216w16f7c6c3g@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:53:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc47de531145778c46c0eae7a6d0e8337b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.80.98 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on underwear) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C84BB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! At 8:16 PM +0000 1/10/06, Caroline wrote: >If you are pregnant or breastfeeding you are unlikely to have monthly >cycles. Admitted women who are not sexually active won't be pregnant much >but once you take nuns out of the equasion most women wouldn't need sanitary >protection much during their life. But they'd still need it enough of their lives for it to be a consideration in their lives. (And even most married women were probably not producing a child every year, or even every two years, and so would have spent much of their mature lives menstruating every month -- and not all women got married, remained married constantly until menopause, were fertile, etc...) In any case, since this was raised in the context of discussing underwear, it is worth explicitly reminding ourselves that while currently in the US and similar cultures we often deal with menstruation by attaching something to underwear, this solution is in fact extremely modern. When I first started menstruating (circa 1980, give or take a couple years) many were still wearing special belts with dangly bits to which sanitary pads were attached (no underwear needed), and even as recently as the early 1990s when I was in hospital in the UK, the hospital issue pads assumed such a belt (which, naturally, I didn't have, not having used one since I was a young teenager -- nor were any of the British women I knew still using such things). And even though I have myself used such non-adhesive backing methods in the past, I still tend to forget that adhesive pads attached to underwear hasn't been around since time immemorial -- that is, until forcibly reminded by hospital time-warps or the like! So, even if it were true that historically women didn't need sanitary protection much during their life, that wouldn't explain lack of women wearing underwear as underwear is completely unnecessary for sanitary protection (even without tampons) and, further, modernly underwear only became part of the sanitary protection solution in very recent decades. That is, sanitary protection tells us nothing about underwear, and underwear tells us nothing about sanitary protection, except and unless there is specific evidence linking the two frequently unrelated variables in some specific context (such as, say, very late 20th, early 21st century US & similar cultures). Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 20:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E1JbW2024771 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E1JTua009107; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E1IfqS014734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E1IdBt028673; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E1IY7F028620 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.185.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.185] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Exa3t-00078n-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <43C85F74.9020107@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:28 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C851A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! angelalazear wrote: > I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm > going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot > of fancy stitches. I love Jukis, despite the price. I've used them in two academic shops so far, and they are fab! The shop I'm in now had two sergers, one Singer and one other (White, maybe?) that were relatively new but always choking up, sucking trimmed-off edges back in, breaking threads, and losing stitches. Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when we got the Juki. I've had my personal Juki for 15 years and have never once had a problem with it. It will chomp through a ridiculous number of layers (when I was a professional cutter/draper, I once brought home a costume that the sergers at work couldn't handle). Melanie Schuessler (now Asst. Prof. of Costume Design, Eastern Michigan University) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 21:39:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2dsWC026214 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2dkKj012945; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E2culQ023186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2cq1n074889; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0E2cmqR074794 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95450 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 02:38:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cj+uBcZE99TCq1YxwvmHvj7nYMI2RW4HMjgAmA9A9Ve4LlD9uK1iWcrEOwodyLB4EmQCjzoO2ThSuV2AxWHpVqlHC5bk/Au4IgC4lbekwQU7unH2hQmTTiaKfrEKJuUWKUFyjjFiGJOvsuIByg02ZOcJqBgRO3d1uo5grrKs42E= ; Message-ID: <20060114023842.95448.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.47.169] by web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:42 PST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4lnroc$8lufli@mxip21a.cluster1.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C86472.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! How interesting! My son, Ansel, will be on cast as Capt. Martin Frobisher at Bristol. You may have met him last summer when he was a Yeoman of the Guard. He was the one wearing a leek in his hat. I just spoke with Kate, the costume liason for St. George, and she said that these would be fine. So now I am in search of wool crepe, which she suggested as the best for the job. Any suggestions of good sources? Rebecca Burch --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the costume liaison. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 21:41:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2fk8Y026232 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E2fcSj001908; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E2fQHm023623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2fQeu076415; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E2fMmC076383 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m43.in-tch.com [216.166.191.43]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k0E2XEb12645 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007b01c618b4$f931acc0$2bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006701c618a4$5f776080$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:48:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C864E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Well, my first suggestion was going to be Threadexpress (www.threadexpress.com), since they certainly carry what you're looking for, but for some reason, the DMC Medicis wool (at least through them) is only available in the US. So if you needed to go through them, you'd have to get one of us from south of our shared border to order it, and then mail it to you. My next thought was HedgehogHandworks, but they don't sell DMC Medicis. My third idea was these guys: http://www.lacemakerusa.com/ They sell DMC Medicis, but that part of their website isn't fully functional. I've bought lace-making supplies and embroidery threads through them before, and found them very helpful, so maybe you could contact them directly, and ask what colors they have? There's an email address and a 1-800 number on the "home" page of their website.... Hope this helps! --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Aaaak! Embroidery issues > I am *finally* finishing my version of an early period Irish short coat for > my Husband, and I find I am nearly out of one particular colour of DMC > Medicis wool. I go to check the website of the shop I usually buy from (I > cannot get any locally) only to find that since I last ordered from them > they no longer carry it. Grrr! (This is the second time this has happened to > me with this particular line of wool, apparently I'm one of the very few > people that actually uses it.) > > What I am looking for is a Canadian shop that carries Medicis, that will do > mail-order/online. I'm in 'Northern' Ontario, but I'd consider anything > within reasonable shipping distance. US suppliers are fine as well, provided > they don't charge an arm and a leg for shipping. :-) > > Thanks folks for any help! > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 13 22:12:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E3CdwH026736 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E3CSES026643; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E3BBI4026611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E3B8IS092312; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E3B3qg092198 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip31-10.charter.net ([10.20.203.71]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060114031056.NXXV4943.mtai03.charter.net@mxip31-10.charter.net> for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:10:56 -0500 Received: from 24-183-100-224.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) ([24.183.100.224]) by mxip31-10.charter.net with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2006 22:09:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4ik1e3$5potfs@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net> X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:09:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060114023842.95448.qmail@web82011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYYs71Ar8chDkrxRaOXCX2iF52UlwAA0Nlw X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:12:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C86C1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Aarrgh - I remember the leek, but the face that goes with it is escaping me at the moment. I'm sure when I see him, it'll be an "a-ha" moment :-) There are lots of places online - some bookmarks I have that are likely to have wool crepe www.trimfabric.com www.fabric.com www.denverfabrics.com www.voguefabricsstore.com Hancock Fabrics also carries a decent selection of wool, and is probably putting some of it on sale now to make way for spring/summer fabrics. Hope this all helps! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question > > How interesting! My son, Ansel, will be on cast as Capt. > Martin Frobisher at Bristol. You may have met him last > summer when he was a Yeoman of the Guard. He was the one > wearing a leek in his hat. I just spoke with Kate, the > costume liason for St. George, and she said that these would > be fine. So now I am in search of wool crepe, which she > suggested as the best for the job. Any suggestions of good sources? > > Rebecca Burch > > --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going > to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are > used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I > have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and > recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the > costume liaison. > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 00:52:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E5qbI2029314 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E5qRv2032063; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E5pXBH043113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E5pTQa081022; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E5pQjN080949 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with SMTP id B757FA5403A for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (sclsnet-pri-227-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.108.227]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8916DA5403A for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:48:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:51:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYYzos6tgo3fzndQqa+btqXL1L1pQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Avant-garde gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8919C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Is there someone who has Patterns of History's avant-garde gown who could give me the yardage requirements for size 10 (or something close)? I just ordered the pattern but I'm afraid the fabric I want will be gone if I wait for the pattern to show up. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0E5rw0b082129 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:54:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C89213.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On my son's school site, someone was offering a serger. Yamato Industrial 5 thread overlock serger. Asking $350.00. I'm not sure if it's still available. if you are interested, contact me directly at sharon@collierfam.com Sharon Collier -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of angelalazear Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:54 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics Listies, Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. I've heard Juki's are good, but are they worth the hefty price tag? I'm going to use it for edging costumes only, so probably don't need a lot of fancy stitches. I have a few criterium, in order of importance: Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) Ease of threading Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) thanks! +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 01:02:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62Lm2029475 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62CTs003666; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E61mak044243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61mOY086245; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61itg086206 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ExeTv-0004FO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:01:43 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060113234105.038722f0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:48:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> References: <200601131902.k0DJ1uTC019606@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sergers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C893E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Angela, Here's what I posted last May when the topic came up: I have a White serger and really like it, but it's at least 15 yrs old. I don't know if the new ones are as good or not. It's not fancy (doesn't do rolled hems easily, manual threading, etc.) but it's gotten me (and hubby) thru miles of velvet, lame', satins, and all kinds of weird fabrics. At the time, it was one of the heaviest sergers made, which means it doesn't dance all over the table when you run it at full speed. In all this time, it's only needed routine cleanings and tune-ups - no major repairs. HTH Sandy - see interleaved lines for specific comments. At 01:02 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:53:42 -0800 >From: "angelalazear" >Subject: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics > I am finally in the research phase of purchasing a serger, and I > believe that was a recent topic here. Any other resource for info > on sergers would be appreciated. I've been to many sewing machine > sites, but they are really short on the info I'm looking for. >Size (must be small as possible, I have very limited space) footprint is about 1 sq. foot >Ease of threading I don't think it's hard, but hubby has trouble. Usually I just tie new threads to the current looper threads and pull them thru, then thread the needles separately - they're no more difficult than a regular machine. >Sturdiness (I am a theatrical costumer, so my machines take a beating) See above. >Cost (would prefer not to spend over $500) Don't know what they go for now - also don't know if the current models are as good. >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 01:02:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62ujD029482 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E62f5F004386; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E622QZ044289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E620Ie086364; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E61t1U086314 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2C74B6E0074; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:57:27 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c618d0$05ddbd40$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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A few years ago, we saw the "Mulan" parade, which had actors in very tall motorized "mini floats" (for lack of a better term). The costumes were gorgeous and about 10-12 feet tall. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:37 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger >>> sharon@collierfam.com 01/13/06 1:44 AM >>> >It seems that the person who played "Mother M" in that picture is a >guy. That would really help, because they really are larger and >stronger >(usually) and so can drag a heavy contraption more easily. Yes, I know--and more often than not Mother Ginger *is* a guy--just for the comedy factor. We had wanted to use a guy-- we were trying to get a local celebrity, like a DJ--but the Artistic Director nixed that idea, too. (Can you tell we had many artistic differances?) So it ended up being Clara's mother, Mrs. Stahlbaum, who had no more to do after Act I was over (and who, by the way, just happens to be my daughter. This production was the 20th anniversary of the first time the company did Nutcracker. Twenty years ago, Gretchen was Clara--now she came back to play her own mother!) >Also, extra height on the part of the actor means extra head room underneath. Well, remember Gretchen was sitting on top of a 4-foot ladder--she was the eqivalent of about a 7' person anyway! We need whatever device they use to drive parade floats around! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoover Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mother Ginger Hi Mary, Becky, and anyone who has any ideas, I just finished "Nutcracker" before Christmas and Mother Ginger was an extreme problem. I had asked this list for suggestions in mid-November, but only got one or two replies about using plastic plumbing pipe. That is what we ended up doing, but the results were less than wonderful. It is first on my list of what to tackle the next time we do it. Our dancer sat on top of a 4-foot aluminum ladder that was not-too-securely attached to a platform on wheels (casters). The panniers were dropped over the ladder, she crawled up the ladder and wiggled down in. They were pinned as securely as we could around her waist using upholstery strapping and we also had suspenders attached. I wish we would have thought of the backbrace--good idea! Then we dropped the skirt over her head (which was in several rather poorly connected pieces), an apron, bodice with cape sleeves, collar, and she wore an outlandish yellow wig. The panniers were approximately 4' by 7'. The size was based o! n the very cramped back stage space we had in our theater. We had to be able to fit in 14 six to nine-year-old 'Bon-Bons' and also another teenage girl who literally pushed the whole contraption on stage from underneath! Much of this was leftover technology from what had been done in previous years when I was not with them. Two of us had to dress Mother in the wings in only the ambient light coming from the stage. It was very, very shaky to say the least and I am so glad that we got through a Tech, a Dress, and 3 performances without a major mishap. You have already given me some new ideas. I like the idea of the bottom row being a C-shape to let the dancers out--but then how did the pipe keep its shape and not collapse on itself? We used plumbing connectors and put crosswise braces of pipe at the long ends of the ovals. It kept the ovals from twisting, but it was not enough to keep the panniers from sagging under the weight of the skirt. You mentioned having put upright pipe every 2 feet. I can see that this would give good support, but then how did you get it to bend into an oval? We only used the upholstery strapping to connect the 3 horizontal rows of pipe. I knew this was a problem, but we couldn't come up with a better answer in the time we had left. You mentioned that you thought San Francisco had completely built a stationary frame onto a platform. I'm going to contemplate this one--because this may be the sturdiest idea in the long run. Our greatest problem there would be storing it in the off season--costume and prop space in the back of the ballet studio is very limited. Is this link below the Mother Ginger costume you saw? http://www.voiceofdance.com/Insights/features.test.cfm?LinkID=31500000000000 174 I just love this! In my research on the 'Net for ideas, this was my absolute favorite! A house for all the children! One last question--what kind of movement did Mother make on stage? Did she just roll out on stage in a straight line and then back out? Did she completely cross and go off on the other side? Did she turn or make any other movements? Our director insisted that Mother turn in a circle once--after the children were out. I'd like to figure out a different method of locomotion than a person hidden in the skirts and pushing on all fours! Hope you all have your creative thinking hats on today, Thanks, Kathy >>> hanstar88@yahoo.com 01/11/06 10:55 AM >>> Hi Becky, My daughter's ballet school does Nutcracker every year. They have a M Ginger dress that is large enough to hide about a dozen kids under it. You said your's is for a play, but it seems like the construction could be similar. They used the white plastic PVC pipe used for plumbing to create the structure, so that it would be rigid enough to hold its shape and hold the weight of the skirts. It has a top piece that is oval shape and a bottom piece that is a "C" shape (to allow the children a "door" to come out of), and then a few upright pieces, about every 2 ft?, to hold the two together. Then they used one of those back braces for workers who lift heavy stuff that has suspenders attached. The skirt frame is attached to that somehow (I never checked it out close up). Then the M Ginger dress goes over the whole kit-n-kaboodle. We went to see Nutcracker in San Francisco last month and I noticed that their M Ginger dress frame seems to be on wheels. The nice thing about that is that it probably takes a lot of weight off of the person wearing the costume and it "glides" across the stage. I have some pictures, but they don't show the framework. Let me know if you'd like to see them. HTH, ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:08:23 -0500 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise I have to design a "Mother Ginger" costume for this Christmas play of the Nutcracker. I have many ideas from various sites. I see how to make the hoops atand out at different angles. I've thought about this since the first of December!!!! I work on it in my sleep. I've looked everywhere for a pattern to use but so far nothing is as large as I need. BUT some of the pictures I've found have been very helpful. Yours has helped me to see how to put it together. Any suggestions on how to make the underpinning hoops or farthingale that is 2-3 yards across? It has to be large for that character. «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 02:35:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E7ZRc5002214 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E7ZEJl007546; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E7YmwR054265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E7YfEc034421; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E7YXvc034250 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A1C181E0 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.10bd2c for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DyKmCOIkruwIAAAAB,de4a5635c4026d723963ea2240d6dcb0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060113233426.5141FDAD@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:35:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8A9B2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi, I know this is a bit behind the fact, but the thought ocurred to me that it may worth Nigel posting the list ( and the event that caused the list ) to *ALL* of the ebay community boards, even if they don't seem to have anything to do with re-enactment. That way there will be a LOT more people keeping an eye out ( hopefully ). Deb, would you please forward my sincere condolences to Nigel and his lady. Joannah. --- Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:39:40 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Seriously off topic (sorry) stolen re-enactment kit Apologies for going completely o-t, but I hope nobody (especially those involved) will mind me posting this here - am trying to spread the word as far as possible as quickly as possible. A garage used as a store by some members of Conquest has been raided, with some kit being stolen and the rest torched (burnt to ashes, for those not familiar with English slang). As I understand it, of the stuff in the garage, one tunic survived. Everything else is gone. This is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of kit which took decades to assemble. A full list of the stolen kit can be seen here http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1651 Please keep an eye out for any of the kit that will presumably at some point be for sale. Thanks Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 03:01:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E81ITU005843 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0E819lK017523; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0E80sdb057200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0E80pwH051017; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0E80kaI050871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 50796 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 08:00:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tfZG+fAkkWsx/pa2vmbw3Yk9HVKC7OIolAKwpJWiHngZEPM/JWjeSP1FnX3ud9YYctwl2T3zO3IMw4mapUTHFk9dtyZY9by46aHDXxcGvclypqvJvLe/YK+dDZEDOzIiAHRgGizALNo28drvfcNngQf2EsyeUOB28NIxS9E0aA0= ; Message-ID: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:40 EST Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200601140311.k0E3Bkfw092675@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:01:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8AFC5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! This.. is kinda why I was leaning to the marriage night theory. I recall at some point in history that women were often confined to their chambers if not bed during their periods. And seeing maternity fashions in Renaissance Venice- or lack thereof, I can see that they did not tend to put a great deal of effort into private clothing that was meant to take a serious beating. Another thought that came to mind and it's one that we rely upon when thinking about whether or not to use underwear today- Would it be generally agreed that based on available portraiture from England and Venice (using two that we are familiar with for now) that Venetian women were more ruebenesque than English women? Perhaps it's a matter of friction, just like today. I remember those long lost days of thin-hood, and wearing itty bitty undies under a skirt was normal. Now, I'm hauling out knickers to my knees so that I am not dreadfully uncomfortable. Given the relative warm humidity of Venice versus the cooler dampness of England, a heavier woman would be wanting something to ease the friction under all those layers. Heck, I do now, and I live in Canada! Kathy > In any case, since this was raised in the context of > discussing > underwear, it is worth explicitly reminding > ourselves that while > currently in the US and similar cultures we often > deal with > menstruation by attaching something to underwear, > this solution is in > fact extremely modern. > That is, sanitary protection tells us nothing about > underwear, and > underwear tells us nothing about sanitary > protection It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0E91xrO017426 Don't forget too that most castles in Britain at least would have had plaster on the walls and tapestry or other woollen hangings to help with the heat insulation. Rooms deviod of furniture and people also feel much colder and damper. I am sure I was once told that each human body generates as much heat as a 150 watt bulb - not very much on your own but castles were populated by more than you're average nuclear family. On 13/01/06, Jean Waddie wrote: > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote > >> I have spent the weekend at an event > >> in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. > > > >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France > >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys > >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world > >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > > > I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires > going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it > probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls > are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - > one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! > > Jean > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 07:42:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ECgKBF032079 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ECg9rd030008; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ECfboB081002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ECfS8Q086599; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ECfO7k086564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0ECW2fN026241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:32:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:32:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C8F172.8080300@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:41:22 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Underwear & Menses References: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060114080040.50794.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8F1A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Kathy Page wrote: > that Venetian women were > more ruebenesque than English women? Perhaps it's a > matter of friction, just like today. I remember those > long lost days of thin-hood, and wearing itty bitty > undies under a skirt was normal. Now, I'm hauling out > knickers to my knees so that I am not dreadfully > uncomfortable. I have a friend whose mother does not wear underwear, and is rubenesque. My friend tells me that although her mom's thighs rub, since it's the way she's always done things, the skin has toughened up a bit, and she does not get chafing, even in hot weather. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Snow ants are of course snow white, and travel in huge packs, are quite invisible against the snow. Usually, the only way to know they're nearby is when moose disappear in a puff of white with a little spattering of red. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:11:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C8F86F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I've not been reading regularly for awhile. Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 09:06:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EE6wDX003967 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EE6ouc003234; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EE6Aeg088619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EE67AT026695; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EE63Y2026651 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBAE403D6 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb31.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.10d5e5 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5DyQVKvARhsAIAAAAB,e3a330ad828d63bd67c465f322c0238f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Nursing and menses X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060114060602.5141D453@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:06:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9057A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! <--- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EESLGW004725 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EESDAS012893; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EERm20090859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EERkgm037854; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EERhvp037812 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02741 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:56:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:56:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:28:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C90A7D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I > thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Hi, Onaree. MC&T is an annual journal; it's scheduled to come out every spring, in time for the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo early in May. Volume 2 is on track to be released in April, three months from now. (The publisher has a date of April 1 on our webpage; they're British, so they probably don't know why an American would find that amusing!) We're done with the text proofs, and I saw the first proof of the book jacket this week. Contents for Vol. 2 are visible here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Amazon has a better price; I suspect that most people who buy from the publisher are libraries and scholars with discounts. (There's a sizable discount offered to people who go to Kalamazoo.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038 Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 09:54:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EEsOEP005622 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EEsGDr024768; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EErlrt094641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EErjuA054103; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EErfVo054072 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:53:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.153.108] (dialup-4.249.153.108.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.153.108]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EErbRm002557 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: <43C91080.8020402@theoldforest.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:53:52 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sergers & past topics References: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> In-Reply-To: <00f901c61872$ace25410$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:54:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C91098.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! angelalazear wrote: > Listies, > > Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old > topic threads? (I need the url as well) I am finally in the research > phase of purchasing a serger, and I believe that was a recent topic > here. Any other resource for info on sergers would be appreciated. > I've been to many sewing machine sites, but they are really short on the > info I'm looking for. > I've only had my white (I think it's a white 2000) for a year and a half, but it works pretty well - once I got used to the vagaries of serging. I"m told that White, since it's a division of Viking, the motor is made by Jaguar. Consumer reports has it as a Best Buy. I bought mine through allbrands.com - they have it for $269 -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 10:08:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EF85f4005854 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:08:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EF7rVC030493; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:07:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EF6oIc096148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EF6gWR061260; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EF6d9j061170 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:06:33 -0800 Message-ID: <43C91382.3000601@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:06:42 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 15:06:33.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B7D8F30:01C6191C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:07:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C913C9.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Yes, and I will look for a picture I have seen where there are women pulling up their skirst to warm their feet/legs at a fire in a room. It is almost a "cut away" picture as if to show the scene of the village, but what is going on inside the buildings as well. I think I said this recently on the list (and have been away so, forgive if this was part of this conversation and I have forgotten.) if you go to Moryson, where he is talking about clothing in on the continent in several places he says that women do wear breeches under their gowns. Of course this is later than you speak of (1598~1604), but...... "This cold is the cause, why their sheepe and cattell are kept in stables, to bring forth their young. And howsoeuer the same be done in Italy, subiect to great heate, yet it is not of necessitie, as here, but out of the too great tendernesse of the Italians, towards the few cattle they haue And this is the cause, that how soeuer they vse not hot stoaues, as the Germans doe, yet the Weomen, as well at home, as in the Churches, to driue away cold, put vnder them little pannes of fier, couered with boxes of wood, boared full of holes in the top. And this sordid remedy they carry with them, by the high way in waggons, which the Danes or Mosconites vse not, though oppressed with greater cold: onely some of the more noble Weomen, disliking this remedy, choose rather to weare breeches, to defend them from the cold." (Netherands)...... Some of the chiefe Women not able to abide the extreme cold, and loth to put fier vnder them for heate (as the common vse is) because it causeth wrinckles and spots on their bodies, doe vse to weare breeches of linnen or silke. (Germany)....... The City Virgins, and especially Gentlewomen, couer their heads, face, and backes with a Vaile, that they may not be seene passing the streetes, and in many places weare silke or linnen breeches vnder their gownes. (Italy)" Sg >Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France >were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys >had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world >of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 10:53:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EFr5s1007440 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:53:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EFquqV017851; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:52:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EFp9WZ001086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFp5h9084982; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFp1mC084954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EFnx3J031428 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:50:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060112192528.44221.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:49:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:52:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C91E58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Mia, Ok, since you mention Cowpens, I'm guessing you're doing Rev War? >Hey Carol K, e-friend and sock guru, thanks for all the info on >machine/frame knit sock (what is the correct term, or are all the >terms correct, but for different techniques?) Framework knitting, stocking looms, stocking frames - there are a number of terms. The confusion comes in because peg frame enthusiasts also call them knitting frames. Sigh, terminology... > The spousal unit (Corporal Dappert) bought a pair or the machine >knit Civil war socks. in coton. they look good (to me, but I only >know enought to be dangerous), they are in natural color cotton, >and have no elastic. and very little give. They are supremely hard >to get on and off.. I'll have to dig them out and look at the heel >to see what kind of heel was put in. Are you talking about antique 19th century stockings or repros that are made for Civil War reenactors? Besides the ever-popular cotton/nylon stockings we have for reenactment, I've also found a thinner cotton stocking through an Amish source. Sorry, it was 15 years ago and I don't remember the source exactly! > real period socks and stocking can be a challenge for those of us >in the reecacting world.....Which is why I went to not-so-authentic, >but faster to produce cut from whole cloth stockings. The have that >clock, which is missing from so many commerically availble socks. I think you mean they have that gusset or gore. Clocking or chevening is the decoration on the stocking, either knit in or embroidered or both. And cut & sewn from woven cloth is authentic. But by the Rev War era they seem to be a coarse option, and are you portraying a coarse person? (Some do the army & camp life, some do gentry and manor life.) >I'm still experimenting with different fabrics for the stiffness >factor. I have a piece of wool jersey that has been washed and >fulled up nicely, AND is a bit stiffer. Do you know what the >frequency is of stockings done in wool, but not knitted (Just >general is good...) Wouldn't that be nice - a statistic for each decade on cut & sewn from woven cloth, hand knit at home, hand knit and purchased, frame knit, silk, wool, cotton, thread.... People like to speculate on this, and I think it was the 18cWoman list where Paul Dickfoss mentioned whether frame knit or hand knit was used more. Certainly hand knit was seen in the actual 18th Century more than we see it among reenactors. :-) What it comes down to, is what seems the most likely for the role you are playing in reenactment? The thread was started by Bjarne looking for "gentleman's" stockings (although I still don't know what decade and what purpose). As a campfollower (I'm assuming again!) who were you before the army? (I'm sure you've gone through that already...) Until I get a stocking frame up & running, the only absolute authentic stockings for Rev War reenactment are hand knit and cut & sewn from woven cloth. But there are plenty of compromises out there, and the plain cotton/nylon are good in the sense that they do not draw attention to themselves. And Colleen Humphries often advocates the theatrical solution of black shoes and black stockings, which "disappear" and compromises are not obvious. There are some clocked stockings out there sold by suppliers, which are attention-getting and I have not yet seen a pair done correctly. (And those are machine embroidered on a typical cotton/nylon stocking, no gusset.) Remember that clocking is done on BOTH SIDES of period stockings. Many of those offered for sale are clocked on only one side. Also the motifs are sometimes placed in the wrong place on the ankle, or out of proportion to the original. And they are patterned after originals that are from the first half of the century and would have been out of style by the Rev War. Ok, with all that info have I managed to completely avoid your exact question? Also for everyone interested in stockings I recommend the Historicknit list, a Yahoo group, where we discuss knitting of all time periods. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 11:05:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EG52FY007628 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:05:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EG4sBF023060; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EG2mhB003321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EG2ktR091754; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EG2hdS091678 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:02:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.61.135 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:02:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.61.135] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com><16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:02:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:02:30 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 16:02:39.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1DA1970:01C61923] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:04:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C92127.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k0EG52FY007628 Yes, and I will look for a picture I have seen where there are women pulling up their skirst to warm their feet/legs at a fire in a room. It is almost a "cut away" picture as if to show the scene of the village, but what is going on inside the buildings as well. One of the winter calendar pages of the Tres Riches Heures shows women and men doing this and none of them are wearing any underwear. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 11:50:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EGofVl009241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EGoX6e012692; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EGnLvf010003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EGnBLg021428; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFpjV7085288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-87.patriot.net [209.249.180.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EFoqCt006825 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:50:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> References: <200601120644.k0C6iaF6056139@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20060112115357.0355b0c8@mail.frys.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:51:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: socks/stocking etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C92BD9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Carolyn said >I'm not much of a knitter, but I have a book called "Folk Socks", >which has every kind of heel I ever say, and several I never did >before, all with knitting instructions for them. (I haven't been >following this thread, so I don't know if this book has been >mentioned.) It also has many kinds of toe, also with instructions. What I love about this book (author - Nancy Bush) is that heels and toes are very nicely described and illustrated. She does not say when the different heels and toes are used, but the definitions are very nice. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:12:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCeQL009789 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCUsd022275; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHBwBX011993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBtCe033493; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBoD4033413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EHAaql012241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:10:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:56:38 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: [h-cost] re:knit stockings (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C930FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Hi Kelly, >I never said they were the most common, I said they were the best >available option; documented period technique using period >appropriate fibers. Ok, that's different, then. >What dating criteria have you been using in your examinations? As >you previously stated this was not a period technique, perhaps you >misinterpreted what you were examining. The book I started with is _Socks & Stocking_ by Jeremy Farrell. It's out of print, but available through book searches. Also the Chapman books, which are a history of the technology, patents, etc, and then anything else I can get my hands on. I've looked at stockings in many collections in the US (east coast) and England, taking in the dates they assign to the objects and sometimes leaving notes suggesting a different date. It's fun to see the results of the technology in an antique stocking. As far as a cut and sewn stocking, they would need to have a seam allowance because otherwise the stocking would come apart very quickly. What I see are stockings knit to shape, where there is a seam with about one or two knit stitches on the inside. And I have seen the seam allowances on the stockings made from fancy knit fabrics, so I can see the difference. Back to period techniques - Farrell cites the circular knitter, improved in 1840. "Although admired for its speed, it could only make a tube which had to be cut and sewn into stockings. By 1845 the hosiery industry was just beginning to crawl out of a recession and 'cut ups' were seen as an unacceptable cheapening of the product." That's where I got the impression that it was not being done commonly, and additionally there was a lot of improvement of machinery that could shape the stockings as they were knit. Farrell cites an improvement patented in 1838 of a wide frame where stitches were shifted automatically, so shaping did not have to be a hand operation as it was in the 18th and early 19thC. >Also, we are all aware that the items in museums tend to be >representative of those fine, expensive items of the upper classes >as opposed to the common everyday items of the middle or lower >classes, which were usually used and reused until nothing was left. But there are plainer items in some museums. Especially in the case of industry, samples are kept to illustrate what was being made, and the technological improvements can be seen. The Nottingham costume museum has many stockings of this sort. >The employments of women also states that one single factory was >employing 700 women to sew stockings, unfortunately it does not >state how many per day they could complete, but that's a very large >workforce for the time period - there most have been a demand for >the product. Absolutely! Stockings were knit flat and shaped with the increases/decreases in the sides of the piece, which became the back seam. The seaming could also be outsourced, as well as the embroidery. Even the circular knit stockings needed to have the soles sewn together and the toes sewn up, until the introduction of the short-row heel. Sewn toes are still a part of hosiery manufacture, which I just checked on the socks I'm wearing today. And while the circular knits might not be desirable for ladies, they were worn by children. Stockings did not need to be cut in order to be sewn - the machine wrought hose had sewing as part of the finishing process. Not only that, seamed nylons were in common use through the middle of the 20th century. >The Aiken's machine was hand-cranked and focused towards home manufacture. > >Steam power was used in the factories. There were issues with >converting machinery originally intended for hand power to steam >power. The steam power was so powerful (if not properly regulated) >that the older equipment frequently did not function optimally - it >simply couldn't keep up. I suspect in knitted goods, it led to >imperfect knitting, obviously especially along the selvedges Ok, I know that type of machine - I saw the factory in Massachusetts. The machines I primarily research are the hand frames, which are body-powered - hands and feet. There are some still around, and the last one ceased producing in a factory in 1985 when the operator retired. (Not a typo - this was a mere 21 years ago!) However you do have power machinery being developed in the 2nd quarter 19th century that did produce good quality knitting. Another interesting thing I realized at the knitting factory in Nottingham - the hand frames could work faster than the modern electric powered machines. The difference is that each hand frame needs the full attention of an operator, whereas the roomful of a dozen modern machines took four mechanics to keep them running. The difference today is that human labor is a more expensive part of the equation than it was in earlier centuries. >I believe Mickey Childs (not sure I'm remembering the name >correctly) was making men's socks and there was some controversy on >the heel construction. I'm not aware of anyone ever making correct >machine knit ladies stockings. That name sounds familiar. I only heard he was making Civil War era, not any details beyond that. Was he making circular knits, or a flat knit with a seam? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCkbi009803 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHCcA0022936; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHBq7G011967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBoW9033411; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHBlFw033366 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:11:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.6] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601141309.k0ED9Xpf098925@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:11:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 17:11:46.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[99285DA0:01C6192D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Underwear & Menses (was: medieval quote on X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:12:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93106.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! From: Kathy Page >...I recall at some point in history that women were often confined to >their chambers if not bed >during their periods... Something to keep in mind when dealing with topics like this -- another difference from today is that the vast majority of the population before, oh, 1900 was rural, not upper class, and most people worked regularly. I'm not sure that "women", as a whole, could often be confined for several days of the month. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHFA3g009834 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHF2rE023302; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHEWxm012468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHEVnZ035015; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHC1tl033569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.87] (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0EHAaqn012241 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:11:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> References: <200601131926.OAA01098@courageux.concentric.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:10:09 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] knit stockings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:15:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93196.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >OK. I can make knit yardgoods (5 knitting machines). What would >the stitches per inch be? Is there a decent pattern anywhere? Hi Julie, Kannik's Korner has a pattern for cut & sewn stockings. What era are you aiming for? How fine can your machines knit? I suspect they are the home type of flatbed machine. I have one that's supposed to be fine gauge, but I have not yet gotten close to the machine-wrought gauge of the 18th century. (18-20 stitches per inch). Maybe if I started with wool and fulled it down, that might help. The modern latch-hook machines produce a stretchier fabric than the bearded needle machines of the 18thC. I tried cranking the tension up to the tightest, and it's still too stretchy. The thing is, knit yardgoods at fine gauges are already available at fabric stores. They are stretchier than antique stockings, but they are out there. If you can get a non-stretchy 18 stitches per inch, you could make stocking pieces to shape. Knit a few rows, then hook the starter edge back onto the hooks to form the welt. Knit some more, then move the outer 2 or 3 stitches one hook to the inside to decrease, knit a few rows and decrease, and etc. It may take a bit of experimenting, and if you're near me I can help and show you original stockings. If anyone is interested in seeing my collection, or a slide lecture, let me know. I'm in the Washington, DC area, but it all packs up nicely for travel. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 12:53:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHrNM0011312 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EHrFXv007256; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EHlVop015434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHlTje052050; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EHlQQC051992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-207-229-252.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.207.229.252]:12646 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ExpUs-000886-Uz for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:47:27 -0600 Message-ID: <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:47:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C93A8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I'm familiar with the fashionfabricsclub lightweight taffeta, and it's definitely too lightweight for an outer layer. I got a bunch from the outlet store to use for lining & facing, but this stuff is more like rustly habotai; I can't give you ounces, but I'd guess it's 12mm at the most. I expect I'd be very happy with the 4 oz stuff, as I found the 2.25 perfectly useable for the outer layer of a lined gown; it'd be great to have the option of the 5.3 oz stuff as well. Does your supplier have any shot/iridescent/changeable/crossdye/whatever she calls it taffeta? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 13:22:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EIM6vN012314 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EILwMa019486; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EILMZ2019064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EILG0E070888; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0EIL9gV070802 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26784 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2006 19:17:50 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:17:50 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1095.67.188.164.116.1137263007.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> References: <000201c6180c$dda30380$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <1732.162.119.64.110.1137181466.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <047101c61932$93014130$cb00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Taffeta question again... From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C94146.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! > I'm familiar with the fashionfabricsclub lightweight taffeta, and it's > definitely too lightweight for an outer layer. I got a bunch from the > outlet store to use for lining & facing, but this stuff is more like > rustly > habotai; I can't give you ounces, but I'd guess it's 12mm at the most. > > I expect I'd be very happy with the 4 oz stuff, as I found the 2.25 > perfectly useable for the outer layer of a lined gown; it'd be great to > have > the option of the 5.3 oz stuff as well. Does your supplier have any > shot/iridescent/changeable/crossdye/whatever she calls it taffeta? I will ask her, but I would think so. Someone else asked me about this as well. I know she has stripes so I am excited about that. I will let everyone know! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 14:44:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EJi4ST015315 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:44:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EJhuwq023126; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EJg0EC027099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EJfsrc017383; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EJfopF017325 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5563.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.99]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AB437262877 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:41:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] happy danse X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:43:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9547C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Arh gosh, got an email this evening, Alexia has received my dress. She tells me her stays fits like a glove, and gives a wonderfull shape, and the dress fits perfectly. I am the most happy of people today.......... It was quiet hassardes to make a dress without any fittings at all, but it was impossible because of the distance from New York to Copenhagen. I need to finnish her chemise tomorrow and send so that the outfit is total, she promised to send pictures of her wearing it................ TAda tada............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:02:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EK2JKA015742 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EK2Bq2031744; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EK08IE028629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EK06KO027066; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EK01b1027015 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IT300FQ1M808G@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:01 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-17.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.17]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C0A3E48FC for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:19 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43C95853.8030404@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060112013106.01d4be38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <16a2233a0601120738l3c1e9014o@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C958C3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKFd5O016450 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKFVdD004956; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EKFAEe030163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKF87v035593; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0EKF44o035543 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42286 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gkAWY+uyym1Ss9a/uPXuXINuRhkCNcwaPLqC1KYZGq51jrXsR0CnT3Aky7AN9H9Sm9ehjeLKKS6ml/U9EVPJx5qm53BMa2PY/xPeeTFdU8ek18tZBVB16Q3f8I6swueESIZnQC+CH0+3ioI6qvKq8iQUNSC0d92ZzE1XtfK6KUU= ; Message-ID: <20060114201502.42284.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:15:02 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:15:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C95BE3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Dear Joannah - thanks for this reply. I never did see my original post so it must have been in a digest that skipped me. I don't know if anyone else replied so many apologies if it seems I've ignored any of your suggestions! :-) What I've actually done is recut the panel with the strap added on, so it is now on the bias and is joined on to the back panel above the eyelets and lacing. That will, I hope, make it work and it gives a more flattering line as it sits around the top edge of her shoulders - less 'boulder holder', more 'graceful decolletage'! It is a very basic 5 panel mid-Victorian style with gold busk (loops and studs) and made of black coutil covered in a fancy chinese brocade. Very popular for evening wear but the cost (for drafting and draping a toile as well as construction) means I've only sold a few so far, and none with straps. I might put a photo up on my website once it's finished so will repost a link if you like. Thanks for the helpful thoughts, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 15:33:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKXx56017310 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EKXn4m012063; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EKWRc8031966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKWPsD046008; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-14.wideopenwest.com (pop-14.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EKWMwv045951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-14.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0EKU34L002285 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:30:06 -0600 Message-ID: <43C96014.50806@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:24 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy danse References: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9602D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Bjarne, I can't wait to see her pictures. It was stunning enough on the dress form, it should be glorious worn on an actual person. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 17:06:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EM6PZd020588 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0EM6Haq018778; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0EM4ddE040346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EM4VKY098118; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EM4RTC098037 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:04:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:04:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.37] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601141821.k0EILIl2070906@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:04:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2006 22:04:23.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A6C0820:01C61956] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:06:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C975D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: WickedFrau >...The City Virgins, and especially Gentlewomen, couer their heads, face, >and backes with a Vaile, that they may not be seene passing the >streetes, and in many >places weare silke or linnen breeches vnder their gownes. (Italy)" Now, now, all of thes quotes would seem to imply that maybe in different places and at different times people did things differently from each other - we know this can't be the case since everyone in history was upper class and did things exactly the same way... (Sorry, I'm trying to get a chapter finished and it's given me a headache) Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 18:39:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdRMl023870 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdJtR027458; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ENchpw050778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENchmg052529; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcfmC052512 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so872772wri for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1g+txCKEpl9UJmmyhbegywkAQzjuPDIQa9O0+97iofckPh9mm4aFXNOa5r0rEPJY5vms753SVOcBgvgeDiEmfY6mp2UewYiGx3s6XPjegmdr3973B2y2F/7ilyFED4S7+a1dS8yHZ+APJARoltJAgBLVcanU5VPhKJ7aDhNmUU= Received: by 10.54.143.1 with SMTP id q1mr2318197wrd; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.140.1 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:38:38 -0800 From: Onaree Berard To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0ENcfmC052512 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C98BA7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thanks! For some silly reason I thought that I comes out in January. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 18:39:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdUAX023871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ENdMvv022910; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0ENcTjM050755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcLtB052342; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ENcIpN052297 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF428F1B2 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:38:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43C98B8C.20305@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:38:52 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection References: <43C52E5F.8010709@thibault.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20060111233801.03617ba8@64.87.54.245> <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <43C636AD.4040608@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C98BAA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I know this is last week's topic but.... I've just discovered calendars.com. If you haven't selected one for 2006 yet, have a look. They offer several nice historical themed calendars, including one on the unicorn tapestries (I think I'm getting that one) plus one of a book of hours, another with various selections of renaissance art, Michaelangelo, various 19th century romantic artists.... They also have a historical section with maps, castles, and gosh, just too many neat things to mention! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:22:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0MNWp025094 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0MFob008218; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0Llbc055284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0LjK5076241; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0Lfel076170 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: <43C9959A.6080507@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:21:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pride and prejudice (late) References: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002401c61896$d86693c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:21:36.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[A57A6440:01C61969] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:22:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C995B7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Unitil I read your review I really had no interest in this movie...I will wait till it is on DVD...but thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Qex1025202 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0QWVo010015; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0Ps7k055990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0PrJ2078688; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0Po2E078576 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99693.5030507@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:25:55 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy danse References: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c61942$947ace90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:25:45.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A0B6190:01C6196A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:26:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C996B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Pictures...We want Pictures!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:31:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Vp5Y025704 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Vh0a012377; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0VRct056939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0VQnM082118; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0VMjo082055 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <43C997DF.3020904@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:31:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Avant-garde gown References: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> In-Reply-To: <20060114064847.8916DA5403A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:31:16.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF73E150:01C6196A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C997EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Why don't you contact the company? I am sure they would help you. Sg Beth Chamberlain wrote: >Is there someone who has Patterns of History's avant-garde gown who could >give me the yardage requirements for size 10 (or something close)? I just >ordered the pattern but I'm afraid the fabric I want will be gone if I wait >for the pattern to show up. > > > >Thanks > >Beth > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:33:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0XtuH025871 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:33:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0Xl4b004516; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:33:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0XUjY057094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0XU9K083168; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53215.mail.yahoo.com (web53215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k0F0XS9d083117 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45704 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2006 00:33:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eYGD5zisz7INX4eaMI6nbmYl6GLaeQkMvHi8su/YQMgudcYMReN+2UF//6kfE6kzWldml+XH1GGR9OMNBIOX4tKF2hAh5uhIJqZ8xBmHDF9maTFY4tmAj4phMBY28EEJOLy9sIeMRk83GUIuikbBev+GaOsMz4KiavBgjJQZ+IE= ; Message-ID: <20060115003322.45702.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.65.155] by web53215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:33:22 PST Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news? 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I think I understand the confusion... I preordered from Amazon and their estimated delivery date was 1/6-1/9/06, which is impossible from what you've said! So we'll just wait patiently..... Thanks! Kathy Robin Netherton wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Has there been any news about Medieval Clothing and Textiles II. I > thought that it was should be out by now, but it isn't. Hi, Onaree. MC&T is an annual journal; it's scheduled to come out every spring, in time for the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo early in May. Volume 2 is on track to be released in April, three months from now. (The publisher has a date of April 1 on our webpage; they're British, so they probably don't know why an American would find that amusing!) We're done with the text proofs, and I saw the first proof of the book jacket this week. Contents for Vol. 2 are visible here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM Amazon has a better price; I suspect that most people who buy from the publisher are libraries and scholars with discounts. (There's a sizable discount offered to people who go to Kalamazoo.) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038 Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:40:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0eSF6025990 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0eKKK015812; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0dqeZ057727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0dj0M086601; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0dgPK086525 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <43C999D3.40109@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:47 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? References: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:39:37.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[29CC6020:01C6196C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C999F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I have a Vogue book which shows it well. Let me know if you would like me to scan and send it to you... Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it then teach my students. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0kJEW026081 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0kB5j018395; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0jjVY058524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0jhF8090167; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0jde3090078 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006011500453301300d7jnue>; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:33 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:31 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:45:31 +0000 Message-Id: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99B53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! That would be great, Sg. Thanks! Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > > I have a Vogue book which shows it well. Let me know if you would like > me to scan and send it to you... > > Sg > > roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > >I've seen this stitch mentioned several times in directions for sewing, but > can't seem to find a good example of it. The stitch is a "blind stitch". Does > anyone have a good instructional example of it? I'll want to teach myself it > then teach my students. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0lYVt026110 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0lR6Y006760; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0l8G8058887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0l7fP091088; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0l4vZ091002 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99B8C.2070804@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:47:08 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:46:58.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[30DA4B60:01C6196D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk knit fabric: was: knit stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99B9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Thai Silks sells it. I bought some several years ago to make a mini sock for a fashion doll. They sell it in two weights: 034A Silk Knit, 155 Gram, 42" 034B Silk Knit, 220 Gram, 49" http://www.thaisilks.com/ Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Kelly, > This was very generous of you to give your knolledge with this. May i > ask where did you buy your knitted material. > I dont think i would be able to get it here in Denmark. > There is a pattern in Costume Closeup from Colonial Williamsburg i > could use. > Dont mind if it is cotton knit, it is better than my nylon ballet > danse tricot pans i use............. laughs............. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 19:58:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0wu5s026297 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F0wmZE023586; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F0wHCI060219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0wF9K097821; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F0wDwL097757 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:58:07 -0800 Message-ID: <43C99E29.5070409@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:58:17 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 00:58:07.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF4142E0:01C6196E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C99E48.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I wasn't assuming anything...I was just providing a source that compared an English traveler writing about other countries. I am not trying to provide information to infer that it was more or less common either.... Sg Marc Carlson wrote: > > > Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. > Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing > breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why > are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things > we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* > a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? > > Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 20:17:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F1HoG3027211 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F1Hggu031915; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F1HLst061847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F1HI73007080; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F1HFZQ007017 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:17:09 -0800 Message-ID: <43C9A29F.7050405@msn.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:17:19 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? References: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <011520060045.1341.43C99B2B000ACB5D0000053D22007503309C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 01:17:09.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[683DB070:01C61971] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9A2B6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! It is on its way! FYI, the Vogue sewing book can be picked up for nothin'. There are some new sewing books out with photographs which are fab though! Sg roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >That would be great, Sg. Thanks! > >Rose > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 21:14:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2E1LG030152 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:14:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2Drv7024199; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F2DGRi067773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2DBlA036262; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2D5CI036209 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1ExxOB3UQb-0000wB; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c61979$3a7410a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011320062233.20787.43C82A9D000AE6750000513322007601809C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitch example? Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:13:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9AFE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Roscelin, Coming in late... I've been out of town. I use this stitch on most of my hems. Its my favorite hand-stitch. Do you want to see it on a finished garment or do you need the directions? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 14 21:41:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2fkX3031233 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0F2fcTv003604; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0F2eqXR071022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2enYZ051094; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f21.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F2ekYf051068 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:40:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:40:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.68] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200601150117.k0F1HLNd007103@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:40:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 02:40:45.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[15D7ABE0:01C6197D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: medieval quote on underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43C9B662.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! >From: WickedFrau >I wasn't assuming anything...I was just providing a source that compared >an English traveler writing about other countries. I am not trying to >provide information to infer that it was more or less common either.... > > > Ok, maybe we could look at this a different way. Turn it around. > > Instead of trying to figure out where and when women were wearing > > breeches of some sort -- why are we assuming they weren't? And why > > are we assuming it was commonly done? Is this one of those things > > we've just assumed because our view of the past is filtered *through* > > a period when it may have been this way (which seems to happen a lot)? I was speaking more to the thread in general, not your message in particular. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 08:06:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FD6Wk8000342 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FD6Oie018251; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FD3xPm038624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FD3sv2083814; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FD3pWV083778 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957D317E09 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: from mailweb35.everyone.net (172.16.0.19 [172.16.0.19]) by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2) with ESMTP id dm20.43aa5259.115aa1 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5Dykg2o0Z9wgIAAAAB,ed082ab0fa4aa8b0b1161987f79be89e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: non-slip gum for shoulder straps? X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060115050350.514152E3@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:06:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CA48D0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! --- katherine sanders wrote: Dear Joannah - thanks for this reply. I never did see my original post so it must have been in a digest that skipped me. I don't know if anyone else replied so many apologies if it seems I've ignored any of your suggestions! :-) What I've actually done is recut the panel with the strap added on, so it is now on the bias and is joined on to the back panel above the eyelets and lacing. That will, I hope, make it work and it gives a more flattering line as it sits around the top edge of her shoulders - less 'boulder holder', more 'graceful decolletage'! It is a very basic 5 panel mid-Victorian style with gold busk (loops and studs) and made of black coutil covered in a fancy chinese brocade. Very popular for evening wear but the cost (for drafting and draping a toile as well as construction) means I've only sold a few so far, and none with straps. I might put a photo up on my website once it's finished so will repost a link if you like. Thanks for the helpful thoughts, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright Katherine, Heavens, no, personally I didn't think you were ignoring anyone - heck, most of the posts I have replied to recently have come about a week after the fact - that's about how far behind I am at the moment. This is the only other response that I didn't delete, fortuitously, ( there were two in total, I think? ), from Suzi Clarke, Mon 01/09/06 11:00 AM: From your description above, and your inital post, I'm assuming that the corset is being used as a bodice, and the straps are for your customer's peace of mind and reassurance, rather than being used as a period undergarment? ( Just interested, since as far as I know, victorian corsets didn't normally have straps. ) And, the thought just occurred to me, if was being used as a foundation under clothes, the clothes over the top would help to hold everything in place. :-) Anyway, your solution sounds workable, and I hope it does work to the satisfaction of you both. I'd love to see pictures! Regards, Joannah BTW, your signature tag makes me smile every time I see it. ;-> _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 09:32:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FEWaif002059 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FEWSEK031123; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FER2jI044585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FEQuhD024312; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FEQrjG024257 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: <43CA5BB3.8070108@msn.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:26:59 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Dummy ... References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B071700A5@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2006 14:26:48.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7FF2170:01C619DF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:32:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CA5CFC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! I am late in on the conversation, but I didn't see anyone mentioning the duct-tape forms you can make. Depending on how big your commercial dummy is, you can even use it as most of the stuffing. I have even made these for clients, unstuffed and restuffed them years later for new garments. Just be sure you find good quality duct tape...otherwise it stretches! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 15 14:22:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FJMl60007850 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0FJMdKt017148; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0FJLaJp073165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FJLT2j099522; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0FJLP11099481 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.181]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DAF7647FE6B for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:21:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c61a08$e5c76b70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c61552$22dba780$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk knit fabric: was: knit stockings Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:21:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43CAA0FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http:/