From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAWfL025890 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNAPRL003392; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VN8sXi042422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8pAa083753; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VN8kwE083589 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.291.4e28a9f (58550) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:08:35 EST Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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Status: RO And what is Irn Bru? Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from girders'. http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 31 18:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNMAJK026092 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0VNM1Qc007784; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VNGClb043895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFaDN090057; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFRW8089823 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6D63F16 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:20 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1138749319728; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:19 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress forms In-Reply-To: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: References: <20060130223038.1534CA0A@dm21.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:22:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43DFF119.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > To the person who was enquiring about dressforms... Someone may already have posted this but the latest issue of Threads magazine has a whole section on different brands of dress forms and their characteristics. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpAeu022665 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dp2cn028313; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoJNT087499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DoIa0096191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1109W30043192 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so34949wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=FzNbzGx7ztcB1Ch566MBK5hMeUL3JfNpGRIdYncB0dHSt0WcW4NZ3wSwUM17cibDKH6cGmEjhPmKhVb5ecMc+m7M/bmpAo9LBfppWeCyElb96Qd9y02VWyebX1vPi1OxR9Ys+y3YXELXk+jERSbrEUhZePcnUvCVnsD5+hbxXoc= Received: by 10.54.117.15 with SMTP id p15mr6353652wrc; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 9sm117093wrl.2006.01.31.16.09.30; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ab01c626c3$c62f88c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BCC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpL0a022681 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpEYw023525; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DoB7j087469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Do1oM095964; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0VNLbwF096435 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70599 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dH7BYISYFtLgFUwVB11MHeowbYilkqsiCY54Ldp3MRFT4lJ3OmdzphJrFEeKSzCvSvBTmC5n3/j1jYLqVbJGHlR0gkkRatjCZpBSIAugW6XsOgqWSOW41tGUmrkICIxeymgUrcN5/gPshRS6w9Kt/WlxLSMqP5HgM8AcC4ip954= ; Message-ID: <20060131231456.70597.qmail@web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:14:56 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] gifts for Brits - tablet and Irn Bru: quite firmly OT! 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Status: RO >Rhonda mentioned tablet - we don't even have that in England. I >discovered it when I went to the Orkney Islands in 2003; the >hotel gave us a square of it with our after-dinner coffee >onstead of a mint. (It's a >hard fudge made in blocks which can be broken into squares like >a chocolate bar.) As a Scot and therefore long-time sugar addict, I feel qualified to comment on this - for a change! My dad makes awesome 'tablet' and it is a similar mixture to fudge but it has a more crystalline structure so yes, it is breakable similar to chocolate and not squidgy, like fudge, but the /best/ tablet has a melt in the mouth butteriness that is rarely found in commercially produced stuff. The closest you'll get are the little 'heart-attacks in a packet' called "Orkney Fudge" http://www.realfooddirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1013 "Irn Bru" is a soda/fizzy soft drink that is orange in colour and of indeterminate flavour. The advert used to say "Made in Scotland, from girders" i.e. iron bars, so I'd say it's sort of metallic... but nice! You can now get Irn Bru chews which are bliss and make my teeth ache. http://www.sweetsncandy.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=IRNBRU060&cat=15 Diabetes? Me??? :-) Sorry for digression but I've a childhood affection for both. Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpmT4022689 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DpfsB018258; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpJ70087740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpHOA097098; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k110XS5b066241 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:33:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so289812wra for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:33:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ssovv11ixQF5PhVQs2F4WGmt+3fVDrjBOyqSkpFjUktyWjEBWLyc5MIUtNvekEOms+7krS3GA5TAEy90ZbOR7zIstyhyJpUzD/vTMBVHJkddPmAaflY7ZxkT7bquKq6tfuI+8ykglgUChhObLk1nZdw1uWWKWibzQg0WkD9YmmM= Received: by 10.54.128.14 with SMTP id a14mr317579wrd; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm1191094wra.2006.01.31.16.26.58; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <017c01c626c6$37217f00$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <004701c62613$36035520$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? 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Status: RO I don't know if anybody else has written, but the list has been its usual active self, so if you still aren't receiving it there might be a problem at your end. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F Lazear" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost list errors? I have not received mail from the list for several days now, and wanted to be sure that nothing had changed in my subscription. I could resub if it's necessary, but wanted to check first to see what's up. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:53:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrevR022858 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DrXBp029403; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DrClI088501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrAtm099057; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k110TtAQ061820 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 19177 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 16:29:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 19158, pid: 19167, t: 0.5695s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 16:29:51 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131162852.024b4718@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:29:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT -- tablet In-Reply-To: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <04fb01c626b9$96740930$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:56 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >>Tablet is a pure sugar rush - My Mom >>used to make it when we were kids and we called it fried fudge. Had no >>idea it was called butter tablet elsewhere. > >I am very intrigued by this. Google is my friend: >http://www3.sympatico.ca/scruss/tablet.html > >clear, step by step directions. Doesn't seem difficult, but it does >sound tasty. > >I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume related! >Denise You need an apron =-O! Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsJ8K022927 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsCfL025286; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Drr7x088733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DrpUG099819; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZqYt011996 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from oemcomputer.vaxxine.com (ppp182.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.182]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNZdT8017971 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20060131181946.0214af60@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:35:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodleian Corset Images, Trade Cards In-Reply-To: References: <200601310258.k0V2w9vH024127@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD84.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just realized that my bookmarks aren't working for this site either. It's not the most friendly, intuitive site, but not too hostile either. Bodacious Basic Bodliean url: http://www.rsl.ox.ac.uk/ Click on "Online Catalogue and electronic resources" link (on left) to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html Click on "John Johnson Collection" to get to: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/elec-res.html The top of this next page will say: The John Johnson Collection of Printed Ephemera COPYRIGHT INFORMATION Then you have to scroll to the very bottom of that page, I understand that copyright in the images belongs to The Bodleian Library, Oxford, and I accept the conditions explained above for access to the images. Click on the blue highlighted "I accept the conditions" (the copyright conditions - nothing too onerous since they allow "use for private study", the angels. Click on "Catalogue" on the red window on the left-hand side to search. There is also and "Exhibition" button which is an online exhibition of some of the collection, broken down by various themes. I think I mostly used Index "5-Subjects, Trades, Products" to search in, using stays or corsets to search in. Have fun exploring. I'm leaving for a conference tomorrow so I won't be back until the weekend. I hope that these instructions more helpful. Sheridan At 11:24 PM 1/30/2006 -0500, you wrote: >David? Sheridan? > >I would LOVE to see the images you're talking about, but I can't figure out >how to use the system. Could you be a little more specific? Thank you! > >Martha > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsKuG022929 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsD6L018746; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DptiT088018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DpsFm097722; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112JXcH050289 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:19:28 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01AAF.5000709@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:19:27 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060130172055.py1yedod72g4ckok@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:19:28.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDB6AF60:01C626D5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paying for color copies: was 16th Century "Nationality" Dress Characteristics...long X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Just out of curiousity, how much did the color copy cost? Always > looking for cool color pictures -- especially of embroidery! I have paid up to $100 for a color reprint. That was of a painting not currently on exhibit (in America) , and supposedly the museum did not have a color copy (which I think was probably BS). I have paid £10 for a black and white reprint, and the least I have paid is for a color transparency is £35. The latter was a rental and is like a large slide. Shipping and handling is extra and is about £6 in each of those cases. I was allowed to make a copy for the purposes of the slide show. The biggest hindrance is having a "legitimate" reason for wanting one. Fortunately I was in graduate school this past year doing research so I didn't have to fib about that, and since I was doing a presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum, they seemed to accept that. But I had to explain all that. I wouldn't let it inhibit you...all they can say is no. Surprisingly enough, if you can find a postcard of the painting those scan very well, (I think the detail on a least one I got was better than some of the detail on the transparencies I have received.) and I have had some places send those to me gratis...they even paid postage! I asked for a more detailed, higher resolution for a painting on IMAREAL and they sent that to me, no questions asked, on a CD! Good point about Anguissola....that would be a good comparison to see if I could find a match.. I have responded to the list since I had multiple inquiries about the same thing.... Sg > >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsbDP022961 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsTku031118; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DqqMs088354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DqoH2098702; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0VNFPBA089833 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so18963nzi for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RabJoEqz8TY9pJU+10H3Xwcv727UgRfr7tca35NXiXQw4FUp731cydTz7P5oysHJrlISTNK2d9QWnPxNB5WQKLy75UkexA0f+3UapSJ/kYZMxvI2Wp0Pudp7vXyuYg87vqG0UfLv7KVR6G87mq5vQJIJRF8Xx9cxhsixzBP68P8= Received: by 10.64.84.1 with SMTP id h1mr69865qbb; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:15:23 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k0VNFPBA089833 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD95.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from spaceweather.com SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful satellites. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:54:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsfED022963 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DsYUm026191; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsFmJ088945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsE70000374; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112R0n8056038 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <43E01C6E.4000703@msn.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:26:54 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 02:26:55.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[F84C88E0:01C626D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:54:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BD9A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. Sg Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th century. > > Tania > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:55:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt9Pu022975 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dt2pw030012; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Dsd3u089153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsclU000862; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k116GTex016489 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GWDi9GRM3fXT45yU3oZJW40cr5NmGNjQ9mQzw7LAzcecV4Iayb4ioYWuZyE3rHTG; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.170.82] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4BI3-0004BJ-Qe for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:16:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060131051932.02405350@surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B76C8FF-8F55-4AF2-8129-95DC6E8A96A5@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:17:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478f163fcb230b04ce90bb6d8ba50e151989b08df3026e9a4ab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.170.82 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BDB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 04:44 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote: >> I've seen the word "Exant". What does this mean in costume terms? >> [snip] > > It just means that the inventory of the wardrobe still exists. We > don't have very many extant (i.e., surviving) clothing pieces. It depends on what you mean by "very many". Compared to how many were made and worn--no. Compared to how many people _think_ are still extant -- you might be surprised. (I know I have been.) Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:57:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dvlae023030 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DveEI031161; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DpkqG087969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11Dphtw097580; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k112H0oj048245 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s10so40830wxc for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:17:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R7I4U8iiK0mvYQONZK95I/nGX1G7u/JMDzF0i5r24SV4DfPpUpBmDPlCDJ8/iMsH0gJpNEICM3xl6yBPVyWvp0DpSibJh9f9zypzoK7aZ429fBL9MhYrbFocpEpSJW9RkS1h4OS5wJSoqQuoEr9LnBsP8D+CH1i4TqnpszSGkpo= Received: by 10.70.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr4363887wxj; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:16:59 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays In-Reply-To: <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BE54.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11Dvlae023030 Status: RO Okay, this is overwhelming! So, basically, there are two "easy" patterns out there: JP Ryan and Butterick. And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of preferences for the boning: - cable ties - reed - metal - plastic (but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is sweaty no matter where you live). Well, I guess as I work on finishing the current garment, I'll start planning for the corset... at least the first one. At this point, I suppose I'm just making a costume, but as I continue and learn, I'll be able to construct things a little more authentically. Our winter in Eastern PA has been fairly mild... it actually hit the 60's this week! Kristin On 1/31/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > > Hi Mia, > > The petticoat is cotton, but with a nice sateen to it. I thought it would > at least imitate the look of silk to a certain extent. > > I'd really like to have a more authentic pair of stays before starting a > second outfit. I've been thinking about trying to draft my own pattern - > but haven't been really sure where to start. The other question, is > whether > to use the plastic boning, or go the metal route... and then which type... > and how does one get the right sizes? Tin-snips? I've already purchased a > yard of duck-cloth, and a couple of yards of cotton twill in white and > red. > > I'm just doing this to do it. I suppose I could use it for halloween next > year... although a couple people have suggested using it as a wedding > dress. I made my own dress for my first marriage, so I've been trying to > avoid thinking about the possibility of making another one... although I > do > have about 10 yards of some gorgeous white cotton damask. Hmmm... a > sacque? I suppose, once I get more comfortable making several items, I may > risk making something out of silk... but until then, I'll stick with > what's > affordable. > > Kristin > > > Oh stays..., I've done several, but since I'm an active reenactor, and > trying to progress to a more authentic reenactor, my solutions, might not be > your solutions. > Like I said, the butterick pattern seems to be good, especially for 3rd > quarter or so 18th c. Making 18c stays is not as hard as one might > think. just somewhat time consuming. And I always have challenges with the > fit. For the stays I've done I've, > 1. used the J.P Ryan patterns (very nice- and gives that good ice cream > cone shape.) I used metal and cable ties and that stringy box binding stuff > that is almost like whale bone...this is not a good description, but I > really don't know how to do better. These were really nice. > 2. used the later 18c pattern from Hunnicut, and blew it up on a copy > machine. these were nice too. I used basket cane and metal bones at the > stress points. These were nice too > 3. Back to JP Ryan for the pattern, bound in leather, wool covered, fully > boned, cable ties and metal in stress points, cane everywhere else. They > are really beautiful. > 3. on the table to do now. the butterick pattern, cut out in linen, will > be halfboned with ? > > All done on the machine > > For me basket caning works, but i am frequently out in the heat of a North > Carolina Summer. Anything Plastic just doesn't breathe enough for me. I've > never had a piece of cane break. and boy does it support!! > > Choice of patterns ...JP Ryan is good, the butterick is good. I don't > have the skills to draft one from scratch and have it come out looking like > I want it to. > > Again all these choices are based on where you are wearing it, and what > you want it for. Costume and just for fun has different needs than > reenactor and museum work. > > 18c Mia in Charlotte, NC where there is no sign of winter. Boy i'm not > looking forward to another hot summer... gotta get those linen stays done. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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Status: RO I would consider Robert Trump to be an expert BTW. He is with the St. Louis Opera still I believe. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 08:59:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Dxsr3023093 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11DxlaY019858; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11DsNSD089017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11DsNrB000555; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53114.mail.yahoo.com (web53114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k113S58g095520 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mlysett@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 03:27:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mRBYGkL6fRvQmDxlF+7LW+znoubHRe3e+y7ZFmG0K7XSgDjLlY6nK9OH7BgpZ/pWcYqdfahUODvgdaA/+MkmFXu42wqBR84ee7xfkqnJYMeclagEOznQWKTIwMSQQAiqkmdhpcGvYAD1kUixkSYcRyCEWxXPeZ/tOoo2mTON31g= ; Message-ID: <20060201032759.7150.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.250.32.108] by web53114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: mlysett To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] History of the Parasol X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0BED3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I've recently written an article on the history of the parasol through the 16th and early 17th centuries. Over the last 4 or 5 years, reenactors and faire people have repeatedly told me "parasols aren’t period." I've had the evidence to support their use for at least as long, but I finally decided to make a formal article about it. Although I am selling items elsewhere on this site, my goal with this article wasn't to sell more, but to provide reenactors with the evidence to dispel this particular myth. So, I invite anyone interested to have a look. You may check out the article at http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/parasolhist.html. I will be forwarding this article to several lists during the next few days, so I apologize if you receive this several times. I hope you all enjoy, Margaret Roe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:26:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EQDX0023586 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EQ6kA012164; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EPe8j003938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EPZ35036639; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EPWq7036518 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k11EPPj22260.; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:25 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:25:25 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:25:09 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k11EPWq7036518 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C4FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fascinating article, Margaret! Your parasols look great. One minor point; Sir Henry Unton would be referred to as "Sir Henry", not "Sir Unton". ( "Sir" is never used with the family name alone. I suppose knighthood existed before surnames were established.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:36:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EaQj6023797 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:36:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EaJ3C017039; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EZu9m005521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EZr6g045078; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:35:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11E6gew017432 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A6D1A5006E for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:06:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c62738$ba2e0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060131182201.68762.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:06:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C763.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Rigsarkivet has some i know. For instance the whole portefeuille that went to Sweden when Sophia Magdalena married Gustav III in Sweden 1766. Her whole wardrobe is there documented. I dont know how far back they go though, but i believe i have read refferences to renaissance inventories in the danish book called Dagligliv i Norden i det 16. år. Af Troels Lund. Sorry for being late, ben buisy embroidering :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories > Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. > Sg > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hiya all. >> I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories >> that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could >> be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th >> century. >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on >> new and used cars. >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:39:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Ed03P023858 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:39:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EcrOb018249; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EcZgE005994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EcXkk047156; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f14.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EEioN026012 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:14:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:14:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.83.124.123] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:14:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 14:14:40.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7753640:01C62739] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:38:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C7FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How about approaching the fashion magazines, sewing magazines, or big design houses with a proposal? Or museums? Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:44:59 -0600 (CST) > >(He developed a >reasonable familiarity with costume terms because of the nature of that >work, but I would guess costume research doesn't pay the bills the way >family history or heraldic research does.) > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 09:44:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EiP9G023964 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:44:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11EiITh020717; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11EhdsJ006972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EhbD7051461; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11EhVEZ051355 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E491E141 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.5e58 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D4MkT2tMfNQIAAAAB,9f9d809cc2faf4972318783972b063bf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning/reeds yet again X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060201064331.23A76379@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:44:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0C942.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO <--- "Wanda Pease" wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11F9PaR024438 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11F9HZN000405; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11F8Qsu010758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11F8ILK070519; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k11F8EH5070429 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:08:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 82687 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 15:08:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6h/n/6R0eZAgbIx2/0mxlUbwKOLg571NhfsnrXjzxrYU0eaq6QfLMbbn/pR29amMQZxTc2ejQBeIFLW0sQiWQE/iI1M1tQzXNaeMiB+fk/AC2Lj+bJUY9g/Ing0KY1vZsrJPB3M23UbVLc+cid9qIznT3080Ji12G9UHiw9wTSs= ; Message-ID: <20060201150808.82685.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:08:03 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: [h-cost] Re: the virgin queen To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:09:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0CF1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Watched Episode 2 last night. The men's a >anachronistic breeches were more obvious this week >(though I liked the tennis scenes), and, as someone >commented, the women's skirts don't look as though >they have enough support (perhaps the designers >thought that farthingales would look as odd to >modern eyes as they thought trunk-hose would). >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor I know. I don't think I can watch it any more, it's just annoying me EVERY time I see them supposedly being regal and just looking floppy (skirted)... Mind you, Kevin McKidd looked mighty fine playing real tennis :-) so it's not all bad!! Katherine the not easily pleased. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11G3ww4025356 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:03:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11G3oee029252; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11G35Ef020351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:03:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11G32ru023819; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11G2vwp023713 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E038D47FF0A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c62748$fcf570b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:03:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] inventories o/t Queen Sofie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0DBE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is an exhibition at Kronborg Castle in North Sealand, Denmark about the wedding of Frederik II and Sofie, his queen to be. They reconstrukted her weddingdress, and this link only shows a poor picture of it. Its after a portrait, and i think they did a very fine job..... http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 Sofie came from Germany and became queen in Denmark. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GEBln025556 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:14:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GE4Te002123; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GDMvl022662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GCJNP034069; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GBG9i032704 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B1CD2628AF for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:11:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c6274a$1fee9370$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0DE4C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi sorry. There are more pictures of the dress if you go to: http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 Scroll down and there are 2 links written in blue. The first gives pictures of the opening of the exhibition with pictures of the dress, the second link is a windows movieclip about the wedding.. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GQpsw025778 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:26:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GQiPp008982; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GQ89q025078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GQ55x048918; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GQ0hN048763 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.9e.359a6076 (15886) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e43e0e10b2e2; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:25:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <13d0d024a890de4683fe2540814fc3e9@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:25:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E144.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11GQpsw025778 Status: RO Thanks for the info. Interesting... Other old clothes can be "recycled" by dropping them off at Animal Shelters to be used as rags or bedding for the shelter animals. Stained and "raggy" towels and other textiles are also useful to the shelters. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jan 31, 2006, at 6:15 PM, Cin wrote: > Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from > clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from > spaceweather.com > > SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit > overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, > nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a > radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham > radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a > sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful > satellites. > > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:33:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GXA6u025917 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GX3Wl012356; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:33:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11GWA42026181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GW50B055751; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GW02Z055654 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4Ktk-0002Sv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:31:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k11GW02Z055654 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E2BF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REALLY interesting article! Two little nits--when you mention "parare, to shield" in the etymology of "parasol," you should also mention "sol, sun." And please, in possessive form of "it," NO apostrophe. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy (English) and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: mlysett >Sent: Jan 31, 2006 10:27 PM >To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] History of the Parasol > >Hi all, > >I've recently written an article on the history of the parasol through >the 16th and early 17th centuries. > >Over the last 4 or 5 years, reenactors and faire people have repeatedly >told me "parasols aren’t period." I've had the evidence to support >their use for at least as long, but I finally decided to make a formal >article about it. > >Although I am selling items elsewhere on this site, my goal with this >article wasn't to sell more, but to provide reenactors with the >evidence to dispel this particular myth. So, I invite anyone >interested to have a look. You may check out the article at >http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/parasolhist.html. > >I will be forwarding this article to several lists during the next few >days, so I apologize if you receive this several times. > >I hope you all enjoy, >Margaret Roe > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 11:41:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GfVvT026119 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:41:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11GfOtR016851; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:41:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Gen81027608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GclV4063278; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11GcKM6062820 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4Kzk-0004jW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <27685942.1138811892774.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:38:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:41:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E0E4B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "She" looks beautiful--so simple and elegant. What are the fabrics, do you know? Thanks! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 1, 2006 11:11 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie > >Hi sorry. >There are more pictures of the dress if you go to: >http://www.ses.dk/58000a/GSID/661100 >Scroll down and there are 2 links written in blue. >The first gives pictures of the opening of the exhibition with pictures of >the dress, the second link is a windows movieclip about the wedding.. > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 14:42:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11JgaEC030298 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:42:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11JgSS4007809; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:42:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11JZABs060920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JYgIH051997; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JYPn5051599 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF5D32628EE for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c62766$88f25c50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <27685942.1138811892774.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:42:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E10F25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding dress of prinsesse Sofie > "She" looks beautiful--so simple and elegant. What are the fabrics, do you > know? > Thanks! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer Hi, I have not gone to se it yeat, but my guess is that it is made of red velvet with gold. The sleaves and the underdress i dont know! There is a portrait of her in that dress, but it only shows a little of the gown. She was the mother of our later king Christian IV, who builded many castles in Denmark. There is a saying about her birth of Christian. It was a very hot summers day, and she had ordered herself and some maids over to a little island lying just besides the Frederiksborg Castle. She came into labours, and gave birth to Christian there on the island. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 15:09:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11K9cmH030846 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11K9V3J019794; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11K8smI067079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JILwK033785; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11JHdb7032839 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A94502A0; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:17:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 1 Feb 2006 14:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:19:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:09:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E1157C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11K9cmH030846 Status: RO Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone fashion. Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 15:52:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Kq5wp032130 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11KpvT9006966; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11Kon1e073762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KofAl031125; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KoZd0031008 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 089D934B90 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <00ab01c626c3$c62f88c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:52:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E11F6D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO So your experience with noil is that it isn't a sturdy fabric? De -----Original Message----- >I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. > I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. > How sturdy is silk noil Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LRv8g000780 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:27:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LRoi9024211; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LQfkR081220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LPspU069213; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LPl1W069061 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU100KOI25NKWY1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:25:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:37:43 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. 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Status: RO Land of Oz wrote: > I've tried, but I can't think if a single way to make this costume > related! > Denise > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Be careful how much you eat or your costumes won't fit? ;) Jeanine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LdpDG001002 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:39:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LdiRk030064; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LXsID082922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LXdGf077437; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LXItT077056 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU100KXH2IRLC12@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:33:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:45:35 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What to do with old clothes In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43E12BFF.4050003@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12AA0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll pass this along to some of the ham radio people I know. Actually I'll get my husband to put it in the next issue of our radio club's newsletter (he's the editor). Jeanine n1qit Cin wrote: >Better than donations to charity, more value-add than quilting from >clothing scraps, launch your suit into orbit! This fabulous news from >spaceweather.com > >SUITSAT: On February 3rd, astronauts plan to hurl an old spacesuit >overboard from the International Space Station. The disembodied suit, >nicknamed "SuitSat," will proceed to circle Earth, transmitting a >radio message which anyone can hear using a police scanner or a ham >radio tuned to 145.990 MHz FM. This strange experiment is a test of a >sensible idea--that old spacesuits might be transformed into useful >satellites. > >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 16:57:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LvLvh001354 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:57:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11LvEL3005915; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11LuQbB087587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LuK0f001189; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11LuGON001129 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tayla@sablerose.net) Received: from [131.107.0.89] (helo=Altra5) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F4Pru0ymh-0000Y2; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:50:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00b201c62779$83694c40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:50:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3c9c42aeba403e1ee8a75ea2e4b2e0ab X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12EBA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For garmets I've found noil to be very sturdy, but the edges to have to be carefully finished. However, I would not recommend using it for a banner. It doesn't look like silk. It looks like slubby linen. Also, it is not color fast and will continue to shed dye every time you wash it. The cream noil lining of my green & blue noil dress is definitely now pale teal. If you're using high contrast colors, they will likely bleed on each other if it gets wet. You can get much lighter silks for probably about the same price. A friend who does silk dyed banners recommends Habotai. Check Dharma Traders. Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT > So your experience with noil is that it isn't a sturdy fabric? > > De > > -----Original Message----- >>I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. >> I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. >> How sturdy is silk noil > > Not very. If you're going to use noil, you might as well use 100% cotton. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:01:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M1Duw001447 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:01:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M16fd007832; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:01:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M0cbh088641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:00:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M0XPi005743; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KBUdP091272 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.245]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 34537A5008C for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:11:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:11:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:01:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12FA2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, Sorry that i got buisy and didnt answer all your nice replyes to the questions i gave about prices and embroidery. I suddently got an invitation for a Hunting Feast in Germany at the end of this month, and therefore got much more buisy than usual. A lady and her daughter invited me, and i have to make them embroidered purses as gifts. But worth of all i have to make myself a new suit! The party will last for 2 days, and there will be strolls in a castle wood nearby. This makes me want to bring 2 costumes with me. My blue suit for the evenings and a new one i have to make. I originally planned to embroider this fabric, but i have to cancel this. I will make it just plain with nice buttonholes. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/the_pursuit_of_fashionembroidery.htm The bottom. Ill make a pale yellow waistcoat also plain for this jacket and breeches............ The green taffeta is shot in green and gold. I cant wear the embroidered old suit anymore. The embroidery is compleately worned out at the innersides of the cuffs. Its the gold bullion threads, that ruined the silk embroidery threads.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M2680001461 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M1xiH010842; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M1bUt088876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M1MY8006765; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11KpIgG031765 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from feudtner@festefeiern-online.de) Received: from [80.184.169.248] (helo=michaela) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1F4Owe3oFG-0006rm; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:51:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c62772$8db2d420$0202a8c0@michaela> From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:00:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:7e614aaf292c2b5ff52c82c5afb1ffa4 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:02:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E12FD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Kathleen, Where did you get this pinker? I would love to buy one... Thanks, Michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] book Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone fashion. Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:08:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M8mN9001546 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:08:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11M8f4K011109; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11M8GUI090200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11M8DRX013987; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k11M89FG013790 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97179 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2006 22:08:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SfIpg7DFrddtc/BqbM4QrZekSKhFnttWw7LEZvwH1wWN1BCE4dC1L7muTj+GAxTpnIpnZwNlekZcO6q0jOfjFueEO7RzAIe+LCBSGARnxwexdFcTppQTMLotUAUItuiaMqz27vdW4KAVzf01rUzhvfiifhe7sleoDxm5xXfp6BA= ; Message-ID: <20060201220802.97177.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:08:02 PST Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c62738$ba2e0db0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E13169.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of Course Bjarne. Embroidering is more interesting than answering questions I should be able to find myself ;-) Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Rigsarkivet has some i know. For instance the whole portefeuille that went to Sweden when Sophia Magdalena married Gustav III in Sweden 1766. Her whole wardrobe is there documented. I dont know how far back they go though, but i believe i have read refferences to renaissance inventories in the danish book called Dagligliv i Norden i det 16. år. Af Troels Lund. Sorry for being late, ben buisy embroidering :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Danish Noble extant wardrobe inventories > Tania, you might want to ask Bjarne...he'd probably know. > Sg > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hiya all. >> I am wondering if anyone know of any danish noble/royal inventories >> that are intact? We have had some major royal castle burnings, but could >> be they were stored elsewhere. I am especially looking for the 16'th >> century. >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on >> new and used cars. >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:10:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E131EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k11MB14L001577 Status: RO I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention would be nice. Any ideas? Tayla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 17:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11MmDUv002176 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11Mm6rR028315; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11MlgbY098929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11MlRl8055298; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k11MlK7P055089 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F4Qkv-00067X-8K for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:46:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? 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Status: RO It has at least as much caffeine as Coca Cola, and more sugar. I have known all-night programming/gaming types go back to the US and be unable to keep awake on Coke, having got used to Irn Bru! Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. Jean Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote > >And what is Irn Bru? > >Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from >girders'. > >http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ > >Debs >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 19:33:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k120XOdg004110 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:33:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k120XGZR003313; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:33:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k120WekF017995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k120WZCX056153; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav3.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k120WVwY056044 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:32:27 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:32:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:29:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 00:32:27.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[250C6120:01C62790] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Queen Sophie's reconstructed dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E1534C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just been surfing for information for my current project and came across this page http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/v1/person.asp?PersonID=12&countryID=2&PersonTypeID=2 with the portrait of Queen Sophie. Thought you might like to see it. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 20:26:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k121Q82E005045 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:26:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k121Q1qt023974; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k121PbDE024583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k121PY1K092728; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k121PVnT092591 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.237.624df3a (15898) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-3e1a43e15f82dc; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:25:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-Id: <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k121Q82E005045 Status: RO ScotchGuard the wool? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Sablerose wrote: > I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. > > I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter > white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and > use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to > make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to > harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention > would be nice. Any ideas? > > Tayla > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 21:54:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k122sp3i005975 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:54:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k122siYX022362; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k122rAuc038574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k122r45W054993; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k122r08s054944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.51] (pool180-65.patriot.net [209.249.180.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k122qTRU030280 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:52:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601301900.k0UJ0VDt022013@net.indra.com> <20060131142003.4508.qmail@web30112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0601311816h58096a10m86a48c9b52f6a45c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:51:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 18c stays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17474.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >And from all the discussion, it looks like there are a variety of >preferences for the boning: > >- cable ties >- reed >- metal 1/4" white steel 1/2" white steel 1/4" spiral 1/2" spiral >- plastic Dritz featherboning 1/4" Rigiline 1/2" Rigiline Wissner (the German type) in several widths and thicknesses And there is another type - I remember seeing it sold by Grannd Garb. >(but it sounds like this is not the ideal option, since plastic is >sweaty no matter where you live). It's all sweaty. Metal does not "breathe", though I suppose the spiral type is more permeable than the white steel. Rigiline is also a woven thing, but it's nylon & polyester. A lot of it is a matter of body type and the amount of support wanted. They had fully-boned and half-boned stays. Half-boned will breathe more no matter what boning material is used. I never had a problem with sweaty stays - I find a linen shift underneath is quite comfy. At an outdoor event in 90 degrees, everyone is hot no matter what they are wearing. A handkerchief also keeps for sun protection. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:01:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12312gg006030 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:01:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1230t6W024736; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1230L2O040014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1230Dkt061057; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12309wT060983 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:00:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m117.in-tch.com [216.166.191.117]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k122pkv09187 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:51:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005901c627a5$c233ce60$75bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <291.4e28a9f.311147f3@aol.com> <+eIdXzA6oT4DJwYJ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:00:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E175E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, and Jolt. Jolt advertises itself as having "all the sugar and twice the caffeine" of regular colas. I know it kept me awake a time or two (or three...) when I was in college. Dunno about using it for a hangover cure, though. I've been known to use a good, cold Coke Classic or two to help whomp a migraine, though.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps? > It has at least as much caffeine as Coca Cola, and more sugar. I have > known all-night programming/gaming types go back to the US and be unable > to keep awake on Coke, having got used to Irn Bru! > > Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. > > Jean > > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote > > > >And what is Irn Bru? > > > >Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from > >girders'. > > > >http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ > > > >Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:06:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1236kbK006065 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:06:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1236dvi027127; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:06:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1236FEW041196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1236Etu065608; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1236AQZ065485 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.f6.60ec1343 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:05:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Habotai is good too - but potentially *any* strong coloured silks will run if the rain is heavy enough, as they're generally manufactured as dry clean only, so it's never intended that they'll com into contact with huge amounts of water. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:08:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1238B6x006078 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12382MA015538; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:08:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1237cTI041357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1237b4W066532; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1237VlP066403 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:07:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.88.358ca794 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <88.358ca794.3112d169@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:07:21 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: crisps? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:08:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17792.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/06 3:01:58 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. > > Jean for which it works wonderfully!! Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:13:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123DtKg006106 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123DjVC029736; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:13:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123BB61041897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123BAJY069173; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123B6c2069068 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1fd.114c3e1b (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1fd.114c3e1b.3112d241@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: crisps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:13:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E178E9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/06 3:01:58 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at > least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, Nigel (other half) was incredibly upset when they withdrew mountain dew over here, cos he loved it (couldn't stand it personally). But we also have red bull as a stay awake thing - fabulous since they brought in the sugar free one - but incredibly bad for you - huge quantities of caffiene, and taurine, just for that extra kick! Oh - and to bring the crisps etc thing back on topic, a friend once made a pair of trouers out of old crisp packets... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:28:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123ShOj006400 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:28:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123SWjr002537; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:28:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123RMDs044911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123RKSB081368; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123RFwJ081266 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2bb.3dbb4a5 (17526) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: <2bb.3dbb4a5.3112d606@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:27:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nostalgic Needle contact and order information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:28:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E17C60.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for all the feedback. Creating a website for Nostalgic Needle was a bigger endeavor than I realized it would be. Sorry about the typos, "bukkion," should have read "bullion," The top of each page has the email address, however a contact us link is a good idea. The reason we hadn't put any links was so would not alienate any of the many shops that carry Nostalgic Needle charts. When we update will have to include a list of shops and their links. Four shops that do carry Nostalgic Needle are: _Needlework Samplers Traditional Stitches_ (http://traditionalstitches.com/) _http://www.emlis.com/nostalgic.htm_ (http://www.emlis.com/nostalgic.htm) Lucia's Needle Arts 1948 S. Main St. Mansfield, PA 16933-9700 1-888-662-7024 _www.flyingneedle.com_ (http://www.flyingneedle.com/) _flying@epix.net_ (mailto:flying@epix.net) _www.crisscrossrow.com_ (http://www.crisscrossrow.com) Thanks again for all the responses, Ola At 5:46 PM -0500 1/30/06, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I agree with Ann. I used Safari on a Mac OS X and it was fine--pages >loaded very quickly. The colors were quite nice for me, and the >design of the pages was clear and consistent. I liked the stitch >listings (is there really a stitch called "bukkion," though? I'd >have thought "bullion," but I'm not an advanced student of >embroidery! >Order and contact information are really needed for this appetizing >presentation. Yes, I think a bit of copy-editing is needed in a few places. I think I noticed "splender" (for splendor), "acron" (for acorn), and "The inspiration for this sampler are..." I gather that these kits are not available from the website directly? If they are, ordering info is definitely needed. If not, a link to some retailers who carry them would be much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 22:56:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123u8DZ006724 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:56:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k123u0W3012428; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:56:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k123tLmn050574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123tGQu002479; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123tES7002374 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1D9A1EE5 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:55:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E182A1.5050904@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:55:13 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E182D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > ScotchGuard the wool? > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 1 23:22:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k124MJPH006911 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:22:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k124MCOv021684; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k124LU5d054368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k124LSQE021022; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k124LOJi020926 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A8BD0324; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:21:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 1 Feb 2006 23:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c627b0$5f7b95e0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c62764$65319940$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> <000401c62772$8db2d420$0202a8c0@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:23:08 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E188F4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This was a 'by chance' item on e-Bay. I happened to look in on a sellers other items. We have had a discussion of pinkers on the List before. There seem to be some modern repros of tools that will "pink" out there but they do not seem to be as convenient as this old 19th C. tool proves to be. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michaela Feudtner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book > Dear Kathleen, > > Where did you get this pinker? I would love to buy one... > > Thanks, > Michaela > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:19 PM > Subject: [h-cost] book > > > Hi all, I just got my copy of "Petite Dames du Mode" and it is all I had > hoped for. It sure is inspiring for attempts of replication of by gone > fashion. > > Also, my small crank pinker is Wonderful. It is about the size of a meat > grinder that screws on to the table. There is a thumbnail guide re the > spacing of the fabric being pinked. This helps the fabric to self feed as > you crank...in the like manner of the early sewing machines. I prepared > strips of fabric the other eve to be rusched and ran about 4 yards through > the pinker in about 2 min. The fabric I was using was a very soft Egyptian > cotton. The edges are somewhat feathery but uniform. Using a stiffer > textile, I got the sharp zigzag one would expect. > > Martha Washington's Robe Anglais is looking very spiffy. > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 00:11:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125BLxM007226 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:11:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125BDgD006054; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:11:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125AS9n061596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125AMEe054679; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k125AIG5054553 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 42240 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 05:10:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d+co1wOFuUbLT5Qugi926tPoJMnZovOPp8KI1MCBaNZXl6X2wutBhrNkFdtTaw77HXF/RK6cxskqj6KNZb3Mx00p2Hhtex4RR7SRhu38lIF8MCB/A3TWy9+LlHwF0CTfBxWzZ5lDaH5V8X6OQYn6MVc4/wvzY8KeW68slrWa0Cg= ; Message-ID: <20060202051012.42237.qmail@web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:10:12 PST Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Would this also work on the wool crepe I will be using for my son's Frobisher outfit? I doubt he will be able to afford to dry clean it after every weekend at the Faire and I really doubt his skill in handwashing. --- Dawn wrote: > Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew > anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 00:49:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125nf9f007457 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:49:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k125nYX0019572; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125mtKH070602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125mrbD090729; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k125mna1090657 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4XKr-0001JW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:48:49 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060201234638.02b7b990@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:50:30 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: protecting wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E19D6E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Tayla, "Camp Dry" might work - it's a spray which I found at Wal-Mart in the camping supplies area. I would test first on a scrap, to make sure it doesn't discolor your fabric. It worked great on a suede bomber jacket, however. Sandy At 09:00 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >From: "Sablerose" >Subject: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > >I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. > >I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter >white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and >use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to >make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to >harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention >would be nice. Any ideas? > >Tayla "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. 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Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak and Donna wrote: >> ScotchGuard the wool? >> > >Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k12EfMue003877 Status: RO I've seen Scotchguard in the Food Stores in NJ. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Sablerose wrote: > Susan Data-Samtak and Donna wrote: > >>> ScotchGuard the wool? >>> >> >> Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. > > Tayla > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 10:34:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12FYqjp005065 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12FYjjV019102; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:34:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12FVJ1e063183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12FVGNV007195; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12FVAMP007095 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD56A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E225CA.6010007@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:31:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO > > > Is it still made? A fellow costumer thought it wasn't. > > Tayla > Yes, ScotchGuard is still being made. It was taken off the market a few years back and reformulated (that was the rumor, anyway) but it is back now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:34:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IYc0D007621 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IYUJD017710; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IWiMX017670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IWMXC093078; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k123YNxN086065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k125F7Ic021808 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:15:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:38:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602012238.31967.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:34:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E250B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 01 February 2006 3:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I cant wear the embroidered old suit anymore. The embroidery is compleately > worned out at the innersides of the cuffs. Its the gold bullion threads, > that ruined the silk embroidery threads.............. It seems a shame that the embroidery on your old suit is worn out. On the other hand, what a wonderful excuse for you to create new, even more wonderful embroidery! -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:36:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Iaav4007638 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:36:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IaT6k014329; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12Ia5oA019421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IZp5f097239; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.floodcity.net (mail.floodcity.net [198.93.208.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12DlqsO019944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) Received: from dialup-0106.floodcity.net ([198.93.211.106]:3500 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.floodcity.net with esmtp id 1F4eoP-0002IL-Mi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: <43E20D81.3010005@floodcity.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:47:45 -0500 From: Kitty Felton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Stain resistant wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2512D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It seems to me I read years ago that wool was naturally stain resistant, perhaps due to the lanolin in it. Anyway, that was one of the reasons it was touted as an ideal travel fabric, it doesn't wrinkle as you wear it, is easy to dewrinkle in a steamy shower, it doesn't hold onto stains, it is comfortable over a large range of temperatures due to it's breathability, and since it absorbs moisture and still keeps you warm, it is even good in cold damp weather and not sweaty in hot weather... well you get the picture. anyway, I believe the stain resistance is a quality of the wool. Scotchgard would just impair it's other good qualities. Kitty On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Sablerose wrote: >> I'm hoping the wisdom of the list can come to my rescue here. >> >> I'm putting together a heraldic cloak using a blanket weight winter >> white wool as the base fabric. This is a cloak I plan to wear and >> use, so I'm not expect it to stay good as new. But I would like to >> make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? I don't want to >> harm the characteristics of the wool, but a little stain prevention >> would be nice. Any ideas? >> >> Tayla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:37:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12IbDI5007651 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ib6RV019081; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:37:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IadFH019709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IaWUm097863; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:36:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Dt7PI025643 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m189.in-tch.com [216.166.191.189]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k12Dkjv18638 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:46:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000601c62801$43002880$bdbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><51472eec3c9479fb02df8c32361dcfbd@aol.com> <43E182A1.5050904@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Why shoulders? --Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 13:38:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ic8Tv007673 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:38:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Ic191027986; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12IbPMu020162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12IbHD5098895; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12EFWmx045657 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15364 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 14:15:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LKNo6iTBCWH6AZeym2U0younN9YKdx7gojHzlHz3VybS3X9EUddkOMWxCQ90LDeQqSovL1gFEvitUknwWlzH3LJhKiFpCi9L+6uKB6pel1BY5ejwMTU9UwqLf4crfQELNoUSLNjDooDz69CWbz9Ca762p5pzIIVDZ01bItF9DJg= ; Message-ID: <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:15:27 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18c stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E25189.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey Kristin, First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and pattern decisions. Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably OK, Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 14:40:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12JetcI008628 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Jeltr022367; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12JdXhT044086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12JAXov033931; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12JAGfX033653 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EF81A7B7 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.1b7ed for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D4lkWqItQZQIAAAAB,a699451049a0b1c0db880457469fe243 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jolt, was Crisps X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060202111014.23A6EF10@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:40:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2603F.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- "Sue Clemenger" wrote: The best (used loosely) beverage equivalents for staying-awake purposes (at least, here in the U.S.) would be Mountain Dew, and Jolt. Jolt advertises itself as having "all the sugar and twice the caffeine" of regular colas. I know it kept me awake a time or two (or three...) when I was in college. Dunno about using it for a hangover cure, though. I've been known to use a good, cold Coke Classic or two to help whomp a migraine, though.... --Sue Ever heard of a drink called a Black Russian? My husband was initially taught to make them with Coca-Cola and vodka. He proceeded to concoct something he called a Black Cossack - made with Jolt and Polish Pure Spirit ( 80%Alcohol ). I think it got called a Black Cossack because it kicked like one. ;-P I was never game to try one. ( Yes, I'm chicken. ) It still pales into insignificance beside the time ( a loooong time ago ) when the boys of the house wanted to have a drink, but all that was left in the house was the tail ends of about 6 bottles of spirits. They decided to mix them all together. This concoction then proceded to settle and separate into about 4 different layers and colours ( it didn't curdle! ) and the glass was warm to the touch from the chemical reaction. :-0 They promptly named it 'A Mad Scientist' and drank it. And didn't die. ( And were never able to duplicate it :-> ) Never tried Coke for a migraine. Hmmm....... Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 15:02:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12K29HW009067 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:02:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12K22CO002232; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12K1TOq047577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12K140W092529; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12K0Dsd091503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:00:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k12Jxug07515 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:59:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 02 Feb 2006 13:59:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:59:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:59:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Protecting wool? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2653A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Why shoulders? --Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... ----- Original Message ----- > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray OUTSIDE. > > Dawn ================================== Also top of the hood. These are the areas that will get the wettest if you are standing out in the rain :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 15:49:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Kne3t009912 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12KnXG1027544; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12KlHYm056172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Kl9PV039998; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12Kl590039943 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 12:47:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22161, pid: 22165, t: 0.7708s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:34/d:1095 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 12:47:03 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060202124219.02307008@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:46:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Protecting wool? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:49:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2705D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:59 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Why shoulders? >--Sue, more apt to get the upper front of her dirty than anything.... >----- Original Message ----- > > > ScotchGuard the wool? > > > > Yup, especially the hems and shoulders. Renew anually. Spray >OUTSIDE. > > > > Dawn >================================== >Also top of the hood. These are the areas that will get the wettest if >you are standing out in the rain :). > >Catherine Well, wool actually is warmer and sheds water better after it gets a bit damp because the fibers expand and form a better insulator. All I do with my wool outfits is let them dry and then brush them off; only if something is really dirty do I bother to wash it. Full cleaning is not needed every time a wool outfit is worn if you wear the proper undergarments. The undergarments, on the other hand, should be washed after each wearing (that's why I have two shifts, one for each day of a weekend). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:02:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12L2e40010174 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:02:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12L2X2w001622; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12L2CwR059231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12L27TQ055613; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12L225J055417 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F463A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:01:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:02:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:02:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E27369.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sablerose wrote: > But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:41:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12LewG3010695 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Lephv021826; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12LeFPZ072789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LeFQ3094955; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k12LeBRo094905 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 10601 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 13:40:11 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10569, pid: 10589, t: 1.0784s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 13:40:10 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060202133908.02307478@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:40:02 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO At 01:35 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a >black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak >which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut >it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document >the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and >such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand >sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. > >While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line >with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar >fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on >its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not >really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? > >Tayla > >[snip] The period solution would probably be silk. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 16:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12LkGWv010769 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:46:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Lk9U8031034; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:46:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12LZbNr071827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LZV9A090017; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12LZRgC089958 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tayla@sablerose.net) Received: from [131.107.0.104] (helo=Altra5) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F4m6w0A9b-0007mo; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:35:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Sablerose wrote: > >> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? > > The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the > knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf > or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach > of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean > if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:15:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MFqiK011768 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:15:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MFj2N005528; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:15:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12MFGOx079878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MF7je032304; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MF3ov032142 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4600250; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 2 Feb 2006 17:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c62846$534fd380$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net><00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060202133908.02307478@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Re the polar fleece, it does not breathe and can trap body moisture on the inside. I am always too warm when I wear a very nice jacket I made. (And of course, it isn't exactly period... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > At 01:35 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: > >Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a > >black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak > >which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut > >it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document > >the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and > >such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand > >sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. > > > >While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line > >with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar > >fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on > >its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not > >really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? > > > >Tayla > > > >[snip] > > The period solution would probably be silk. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MbiUF012079 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:37:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Mbbjo014627; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12MaqBK084399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MakBg054475; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MafH0054392 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.225]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EBE43A50067 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:36:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c62849$28bee2c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200601301304.k0UD4M5F086266@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fashion dolls again. Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:36:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:37:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E289B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Oh yes i am such a fool not thinking about this. There are lots of these dolls for sale. I even found a seller in England that was selling a Mat doll and a female doll i could have used and i could have saved the tax fee for importing to Europe............ Well two late :-( Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabine Pothmann" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: fashion dolls again. > Hi all, > > I might be a bit late on this subject, but... > > "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote on Fri, 20 Jan 2006 > 18:07:54... > >>I remember we disgussed this topic way back. I finally found a danish >>importer of the famous Tonner Dolls. I ordered 3 of these. > > Bjarne, it might be less expensive to buy those dolls directly in the US, > on Ebay.com, instead of buying them from an importer. > On Ebay.com you'll find several dealers who also sell nude dolls, which > are just perfect for dressing them ;-) > I've bought several of them this way when I started making doll costumes. > See some of my doll costumes - mostly Victorian and Elizabethan - here: > http://www.naergilien.info/dollclothing.htm > I mostly make Victorian and Elizabethan clothing - not only dolls - but > currently I'm about to make a Rococo gown for Tyler, > with stays and panier, of course :-) > >>Emme, American Beauty and Matt O'Neill. > > Emme is just perfect, I also have her! She looks like Glenn Close, and > with a reroot, she can act as a perfect Queen > Elizabeth I. :-) > I have Tyler, Emme, Kitty Collier (18''), Gene, Jadde Lee and Brenda > Starr; they're beautiful to work with. > > Best wishes, > Naergi > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 17:50:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MocML012253 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:50:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12MoVY5020219; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12Mnw9m086901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12Mnsie068059; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12MnmcG067827 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2948A1F73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:49:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E28C99.20908@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:50:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Re the polar fleece, it does not breathe and can trap body moisture on the > inside. I am always too warm when I wear a very nice jacket I made. (And of > course, it isn't exactly period... And fleece pills with wear. Even if you think it looks nice now, it won't after a while. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:27:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NR2SI012813 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NQth6003270; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:26:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NQBFO093721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQ6i6005001; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQ2sM004887 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1c4.3928e569 (15862) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R08 (fwm-r08.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.136]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df643e29500218; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.136) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:25:52 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.136 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2953F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century pirate coat out of it. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NRRSB012825 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NRKbW028339; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NQr8g093790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQrQg005676; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav1.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NQnF3005585 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:26:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.36.80 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:26:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.36.80] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k12NRRSB012825 Status: RO I lined my winter cloak with heavy 100% cotton flannel, sold as flannel chamois. It's warm and soft, shows no signs of pilling and came in various solid colors. Of course, I don't know who sells it now that JoAnne's has discontinued it. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NXAU6012914 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NX3GL005783; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NWdZX094632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NWdRk011501; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NWVX4011378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 8145 invoked by uid 507); 3 Feb 2006 10:32:29 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 10:32:29 +1100 Message-ID: <0ee701c62850$eb42b4f0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:32:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E296AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I always prewash my wool, especially if it's going to be lined, a jacket usually shrinks in length by an inch or two with the type of wool I use. Not sure what would happen with gaberdine, but it doesn't take long to pre-wash anyway. It also washes out any chemicals used in the processing, so I don't get rashes when working with it. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 18:45:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NjJf5013079 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12NjCtd011145; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k12NijVc097066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NifMt023671; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12NiY0S023491 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:41:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:44:37 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004501c62852$a09fe2e0$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 thread-index: AcYoQi3rrqezdMtGQ1yBR7rZYtl7jQAEAIvw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 23:41:19.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AE77900:01C62852] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:45:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E29988.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would recommend against the (polar)fleece- it is mostly Polyester, and rubbing against the wool every step you take could generate some "short, sharp shocks." Lamb fleece OTOH would be great, but quite heavy! My .02 lira, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sablerose Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Luckily, I'm putting a border of abut 12 inches of black(actually a black and gray plaid) arould the front opening and base of the cloak which will be a little more stain resistant. But I do plan to cut it above the ankles. For the first time I'm going to photo document the whole process, so I'll let you all know when I get pictures and such up on a website. I haven't 100% decided yet, but I may hand sew the thing, given the weight of the wool involved. While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what other historically accurate options do I have? Tayla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > Sablerose wrote: > >> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? > > The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the > knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf > or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of reach > of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to keep clean > if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 19:31:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k130VCXn013628 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:31:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k130V5QB030206; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k130UK80004985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k130UASv068919; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k130U1SR068737 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 01:29:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:29:30 -0800 Received: from 67.188.164.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1070.67.188.164.116.1138926716.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:31:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2A449.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? I always pre-wash my wool. As someone said, it washes out any chemicals used in processing and it leaves you the *option* of washing it again. Honestly, I have never had to wash an entire garment that I have made in my 15-odd years of sewing historical costumes. Spot cleaning works fine or putting my hem in the bathtub ;~> > It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. Also, washing a wool gabardine will shrink it and thicken it up a bit so it will be less modern-looking. Every little bit helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 20:47:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k131l2kX014593 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:47:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k131kt6F029862; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:46:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k131jtiB017293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k131joBh035288; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k131jkm9035182 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:45:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:45:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:45:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 01:45:46.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D1477C0:01C62863] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:46:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2B60F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are you going to throw the jacket in the wash once it's made? That's usually my idea when working with any fabric. If I want to wash the garment in a machine once it's made, I wash the material in Hot water and dry in the dryer (unless I'm fulling cloth for an 18thC coat, then I full properly, not in the dryer). Wool is wonderful to work with, take a small piece of it and play with it before you sew your garment. It will streatch and shrink under steam and heat, it will go whereever you tell it to. Play with it first, then you'll get the feel of it! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 2 21:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k132n79n015176 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k132n0eJ021708; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:49:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k132kpw7031033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132kkYo089780; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132kiuu089736 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so524616wri for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=aKyYhhsmrcxAA8Y+F86dw4kykynz3+BIAdtor0A7GBS9/5mDvuWKMcUTmvS3kHjusDBc/cIQ50/nhX76y4HvtBjl9fZM5jBBs3icwKa+FGhY2lIr8V6tWU/rcXinttw99tBilc6wlKWrOznrZUguLNw1+KOGjnrrwzA6YCOp560= Received: by 10.54.127.16 with SMTP id z16mr1488846wrc; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm4768299wrl.2006.02.02.18.46.42; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:46:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013201c6286c$111fbef0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602020300.k1230Dj7061077@net.indra.com> <43E20D81.3010005@floodcity.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Stain resistant wool Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:46:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2C49C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > It seems to me I read years ago that wool was naturally stain resistant, > perhaps due to the lanolin in it. Yes, and also waterproof for the same reason. The wool we get now, though, has been treated chemically, so it's not quite as good. Still worth it though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 00:46:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k135kK54016632 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:46:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k135kCSc018527; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:46:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k135j2VZ060048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k135ieLc037213; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k135iNT8036972 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id AAA04644; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:44:22 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200602030544.AAA04644@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:44:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200601301332.k0UDVtFF004417@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k135iNT8036972 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sees X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2EE24.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ---- wrote: > ObCostume: So, for those familiar with See's -- what era is the > inspiration/origin of their uniforms? (See > for an example.) It strikes me as > somehow earlier rather than later 20th century, but the 20th century > isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their uniforms...those poor ladies... Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 01:03:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1363ZqP016725 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:03:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1363STa024855; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1362UJA062966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1362NHP053420; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1362EZV053210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 26679 invoked by uid 507); 3 Feb 2006 17:02:13 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 17:02:13 +1100 Message-ID: <109501c62887$5c251d30$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602030544.AAA04644@arkroyal.concentric.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:02:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E2F230.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a photo of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? Glenda. , but the 20th century >> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... > > I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some > hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. Fortunately > their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their uniforms...those > poor ladies... > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 03:14:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k138E0qI031342 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k138DrO2006624; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k138D9kN082717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k138D5ep056749; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k138D1C1056686 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F4w3v2swX-0002sE; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <011801c62899$9d3bb100$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th Century Effigies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:13:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E310C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k138E0qI031342 Status: RO Passing this alone from another list... Good news! A brand new research resource for c16th dress arrives on line - a pilot database of images is available at: http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies This is the first stage of a project to photograph and make available photographs of Tudor effigies in UK churches. The pilot database contains 44 effigies with photographs of items and features of dress. This represents about two per cent of the material that could be compiled from similar sources. Eventually, each effigy and its details will have a description with appropriate c16th terms and an explanation of how they were worn. The database has been compiled by Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies at Winchester School of Art. Feedback on the usefulness of the images and suggestions for improvement will help with an application for continued funding for the project. 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Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 05:15:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AFsWx009431 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:15:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AFkFX014230; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13AEIhW014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AE2xk043996; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13ADuaW043935 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24759.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.89]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A1BBCA5006E for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:13:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c628aa$927684f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linning of cape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:15:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E32D52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sablerose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? Hi, i didnt follow the thread, sorry. Wich period is your cloak? 18th century cloaks are not lined. The one i made is angle lenght, cut after a williamsburg cloak and has 2 collars on. I close mine with tin hooks and eyes, 3 in all. Its not lined, and originals wasnt either. Bjarne > While I'm at it, does anyone have recommendations for what to line with? > I'm trying to decide between linen and light weight polar fleece. This is > blanket weight wool, so it will be plenty warm on its own. Has anyone > lined a winter cloak in linen? Fur's not really an option for me, so what > other historically accurate options do I have? > > Tayla > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? > > >> Sablerose wrote: >> >>> But I would like to make it even slightly stain resistant if possible? >> >> The other thing I would suggest is to cut the length somewhere below the >> knee, but well above the ankle, perhaps 10" up, somewhere around mid calf >> or higher. This will keep your white wool off the ground and out of >> reach of most mud and grass, splashed water, and such. Much easier to >> keep clean if it's not in the muck in the first place. :) >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 05:18:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AIfqk009459 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:18:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13AIY0A015142; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13AHMKM016001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AHMow046194; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13AHIPu046145 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24759.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.89]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A0898262858 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:17:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c628ab$119dc9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602021932.k12JVuQw056194@net.indra.com> <8C7F6672496F615-155C-3D50@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:17:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E32DFA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Wool is very nice to work with. It presses and irons well and the only thing you should be conserned about is when you steam press seams. Be sure to use a cloth on top, some times it makes shiny marks on the surface. My cloak is made of wool flannel, and it is also very light, but if drapes so well. Good luck! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Wool > I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is > there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys > pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly > period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century > pirate coat out of it. > > Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, > wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) > > Tea Rose > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 06:35:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13BZg4e010226 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:35:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13BZZDo011224; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13BTt0l027057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13BToF1004238; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13BTlX3004110 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:29:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-66-31-43-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200602031129410110038shte>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:29:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:29:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c628ab$119dc9f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:35:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E34007.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO First, gabardine probably is period for 17th century -- it's just a hard-finished lightweight twill. I almost always pre-wash my wools but you do lose some to shrinkage -- it varies widely depending on the wool, but figure 10% to 15% just to be safe. If I'm not sure how the wool will respond to a prewash, I measure off an 8-inch square and test-launder that. I like the feel of wool once it's been washed -- it's softer and less chemical-feeling. IF you have enough extra to allow for shrinkage, you'll get a slightly more period finish if you wash your wool in the machine on cold with a gentle soap (I use Dr. Bronner's liquid soap for this) and allow it to dry flat or hung on a line. Just takes some of the "modern" off it. This pre-washing also might allow you to cold-wash the finished garment occasionally, but in the case of a pirate coat, which probably has lots of construction details, you'll probably want to dry clean (or just let it get piratically dirty!) anyway. I am actually writing this in my just-completed 11th-century overgown, which I made from an 80% wool/20% cashmere coating that I washed on warm and hung to dry before I cut it out. Normally I'd have run it through the dryer once, too, but this was already so heavy and warm that I didn't want it to get any thicker. My under-gown is a plainweave tropical worsted wool which I did machine wash and dry. Because it was a pretty fine worsted, it didn't full the way a flannel will, but it is softer and a little more dense, post-wash. One of the great things about working with wool is that it has a bit of natural stretch to it. Have fun with your pirate coat! -- Lauren M. Walker -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba >> I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is >> there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys >> pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly >> period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century >> pirate coat out of it. >> >> Thanks for any advice you can give me. Being from South Texas originally, >> wool was excluded from my sewing education. :) >> >> Tea Rose >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 08:15:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13DFtgE011386 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:15:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13DFm4C018033; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13DFAsR039507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:15:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13DEtLx080734; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from iw.net (mailhub.iw.net [216.16.0.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13DEp3H080612 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asl@iw.net) Received: from DGKQ5981 (unverified [216.254.244.156]) by iw.net (SurgeMail 3.0c2) with ESMTP id 7365364 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:14:46 -0600 Message-ID: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> From: "Lori Alston" To: Subject: Fw: [h-cost] Sees Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:15:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:15:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E35784.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.wweek.com/html/lifefeature112499.html Second one down in black and white you can see the big bow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031569409&category=15953 Barbire in a uniform this one fits better on Barbie then they do in real life behind the counter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees > I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop > assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the > same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a photo > of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? > > Glenda. > > , but the 20th century >>> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... >> >> I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some >> hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. >> Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their >> uniforms...those poor ladies... >> >> Julie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 09:22:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EMkXc013010 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:22:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EMbHj013954; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13ELRQZ048658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13ELLf5031166; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k132paqH093585 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28c.5093b13 (15876) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID73-3e0443e2c53137b; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:51:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <03e201c6276a$ea37cd20$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com><43E27356.50305@reddawn.net> <00cb01c62840$95582e40$a428389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-Id: <8e703155f4f52cb6af730d782159a3bc@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Protecting wool? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13EMkXc013010 Status: RO Try Fabric.com or DenverFabric.com Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:26 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I lined my winter cloak with heavy 100% cotton flannel, sold as > flannel chamois. It's warm and soft, shows no signs of pilling and > came in various solid colors. Of course, I don't know who sells it > now that JoAnne's has discontinued it. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 09:41:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Efcte014777 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:41:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13EfUah022715; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13EdtFD052677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Edplp049953; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13EdlkN049914 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.60.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.60] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F526E-0001gY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:39:15 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:41:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E36B9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of extant inventories, can anyone point me to one that is published from 16th-century France? I'm looking for one that details women's garments rather than men's, and pretty much any range of years is fine. I should be able to get Inventaires de la Royne Descosse (Mary Queen of Scots' inventories for 1556-69), but does anyone know of others? Many thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:30:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FUo0V022858 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FUgI4014375; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13FTmbL062301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTmRA098120; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTjP3097972 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586AA2155 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:29:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:29:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my first glove! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E37722.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little narrow on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no method of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm fairly pleased with the outcome: www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:36:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Fam4o023944 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:36:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FaeiO017490; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13FTfRR062286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTZ2O097902; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FTVNU097769 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtkin@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-135-166.hsd1.tn.comcast.net[69.246.135.166]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060203152924m12007d9foe>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:29:25 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:29:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet From: celtkin To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet Thread-Index: AcYo1pvh2if/ZJTJEdqyUAANkz5D6g== Mime-version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E37888.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13Fam4o023944 Status: RO This is a response to a discussion from January 5th thru 8th about Laura de Pola¹s partlet (Portrait of Laura de Pola, by Lorenzo Lotto, housed in Milan). When my copy of Moda a Firenze showed up in the mail this week, it confirms that the partlet is goldwork. It says that ³The roses on the partlet have a very marked three-dimensional aspect, produced by the use of gold purles.² Purle being the high-relief gold threads that were used in goldwork. It also talks about Eleonora of Toledo ordering samples of the gold mesh that was used in manufacturing such partlets. Since so many theories were postulated, I thought you might want to know what it actually is. The file I have of her portrait is very washed out on the yellows, as many are. If you adjust the color to bring her belt and fan hande/chain to a proper ³gold² color, you¹ll find the partlet and cap change to gold as well. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 10:53:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FrbKi026844 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:53:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13FrSv1026107; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Fr1SI066256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13FqxUM024055; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13FqskJ023922 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 34739 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 15:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > Also, washing a wool gabardine will shrink it and thicken it up a bit so > it will be less modern-looking. Every little bit helps! If it is a very fine, tightly spun gabardine, washing will not change it very much. But it will still remove leftover chemicals. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 11:38:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Gcv0S002197 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:38:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Gcnb7018959; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Gc2Qt075541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Gbn7r075357; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Gbf8U075132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13GbWjn049458 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34537.65.117.156.5.1138984653.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> References: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E38719.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That is just fabulous!!! I really like this pattern. It is a copy of one of their 1947 sets that they published way back when. The thumb is the give away. Isn't that just the funkiest thumb you have ever seen? I love that suede. What Vogue means by S-M-L is that that our hand from finger tip to base of palm is either 6-7-8 inches in length OR it is 6-7-8 inches around at the fattest part of our hand. I am betting it is the fingertip measure. But having seen your work through the years I know you are more than talented enough to enlarge the pattern to suit your needs. Congrats on making that glove, I love it! :) Chiara glovemaker On Fri, February 3, 2006 9:29 am, Dawn said: > I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little > narrow > on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no > method > of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm > fairly pleased with the outcome: > > > www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg > > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:04:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13H45SY006560 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:04:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13H3vOM032476; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13H3VvD080176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13H3Iv3001491; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13H3Eh3001250 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 45282924 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:32:07 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wool Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:04:14 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <43E37C58.4050800@fenris.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 63, in=72, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E38CFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The problem with washing wool is that water and detergent both weaken the fibers. The effect is worsened if you add agitation to the water and detergent. Also, washing will remove whatever lanolin is left in the fabric. That is why it's best to spot clean woollen garments, or dry clean them. That said, I have washed wool. I use cool water and a special cleaner, like Ensure or Orvus. And I don't do it often, if I want the garment to last. Fabric made of worsted wool (such as gabardine) will not felt. Worsted wool is only the longest, strongest, smoothest fibers from the fleece. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:30:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HUfic011376 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:30:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HUXWt013185; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13HU21u086015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HTdJY031404; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HTW8o031204 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IU400GHMGJ56KQ0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.30] (Forwarded-For: [199.20.68.40]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:28:17 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Wool In-reply-to: <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <43E37C58.4050800@fenris.net> <001201c628e3$dc53bb40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:30:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E39339.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO uummm... as a spinner I have a question about a few of your statements...... my replies are marked with ** ----- Original Message ----- From: kim baird > > The problem with washing wool is that water and detergent both weaken > the fibers. ** This is partly true - SOME soaps are slightly harsh. But saying that - I have some wool items that my Grandmother owned and she didn't use specialty soap, nor hand washed in cold. She used her washer and warm water. They are just as sturdy as when she used them. > The effect is worsened if you add agitation to the water and detergent. ** The combination of hot water AND agitation causes felting to a degree .... I agitate my wool items in warm water and they don't shrink - (OK they first shrunk 2% but didn't after the first time). > Also, washing will remove whatever lanolin is left in the fabric. ** Usually lanolin isn't in fabric - by the time it gets to the fabric mills most of the lanolin is removed by chemical process. To the Manucturing Industry lanolin is -by far- worth more than plain ol' wool. Besides chemicals are used to strip the lanolin - so you would have to worry more about formaldehyde and other chemicals than lanolin. > Fabric made of worsted wool (such as gabardine) will not felt. Worsted > wool is only the longest, strongest, smoothest fibers from the fleece. ** Worsted is a term for the way the wool is spun/ processed - not the fibers themselves. You can spin any part of the fleece worsted. Katheryne Spinner for 12 years who is more than willing to be corrected on her fabric info _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 12:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13HiokW013902 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:44:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Higgi019793; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13Hh9rm088527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Hgn9F046010; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13HCOJE011837 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k13HCFx17806 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:12:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AD5B1C2-39C2-4645-B9C6-87B94694A9E0@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3968A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where does one obtain a copy of this? I looked on amazon, but it's not there. many thanks! On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:29 AM, celtkin wrote: > Moda a Firenze Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 13:22:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13IMfdo021009 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:22:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13IMX47005267; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:22:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13IKJdo096827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13IJxQr084218; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13IJhEZ083878 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 45292398 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:48:28 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:20:35 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 63, in=73, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The scoop on wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E39F69.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I quote below from a paper I wrote in grad school (2005): Woollens versus Worsteds Since early times, two methods have been used to make cloth from wool. The process and the product are referred to as woollen or worsted.(61) Sheep's wool varies widely in length and diameter, even on the same animal, and certainly between breeds. Fibers are sorted before processing. Worsted yarns are made by separating out the shorter fibers (one to three inches) before spinning the longer ones (two and a half to nine inches) into a tightly spun, smooth and strong yarn.(62) Fabrics made of worsted yarns, such as gabardine and serge, have a smooth, hard surface. Worsteds are typically used for apparel. The term, as so many fabric names, comes from a town where this style of fabric was made. Worstead is a small town in Norfolk, England, once famous for its wool fabric produced from longer-staple yarns.(63) Woollen yarns are spun from the shorter fibers, which also tend to be finer and softer. Woollen fabrics range from soft and light to heavy and rough.(64) Besides the length of the fiber, the main difference between a woollen and a worsted is the finishing required. Woollen fabrics are fulled, napped and sheared after weaving.(65) Woollens are utilized in warmer fabrics for blankets and outerwear. Generally, worsted is easier to manufacture. The wool need not be scoured before spinning, nor does it require fulling after the cloth is woven. It was probably the earlier of the two systems, as most of the surviving early wools are of the worsted type. 61- W. J. Onions, Wool: An Introduction to its Properties, Varieties, Uses and Production (London: Ernest Benn Limited, 1962), 5. 62 - Ibid., 1. 63 - John H. Munro, "Medieval Woollens: Textiles, Textile Technology and Industrial Organisation, c. 800-1500," in The Cambridge History of Western Textiles, vol. 1, David Jenkins, ed. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003),183. 64 -Onions, 6. 65 - Munro, 183. Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:27:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRSvJ028605 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRKWp002807; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JQTIl008346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JQNAW051707; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JQJ8C051496 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B555535E86D for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:26:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> References: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:26:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: wool woolen/worsted... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:27:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3AE98.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Um I was 'learned' that you can comb anything that has a fiber length longer than the depth of the comb (see combed cotton for *short*) to make combed rovings. How you spin it then makes it worsted--drafting the fibers parallel to each other before the twist enters the drafting zone. Longer fibers make better worsted---BUT---unless it's hand combed and spun, you are getting the same shorter fibers that go in woolen yarns. The commercial mills first process wool into carded batts before they feed the fiber into the combing machine. Because of several techie requirements, very long fibers are 'bad' and can get chopped down to a uniform length or rejected entirely...Once processed into combed top it is then spun worsted. Don't believe me--unspin some yarn and check the fiber length. It broke my heart when I found out how short the fibers are in modern linen cloth :-( You can produce semi worsted where you spin one way and process the fiber the other. Oh and true worsted has all the fibers laid butt to tip so the scales flow in the same direction--not something you can get in a mill situation. Costume content--Up until just after WWII you could still get hand combed worsted suiting in England. It was held that the hand processing made for a better cloth and thus better suits. Then the old geezers died off and the youngsters were not interested in following the trade--a hard dirty one! Ta Carol--happily combing a trash fleece to remove the short bits/trash/second cuts. What's left spins like butter. And who dreams of a Noble machine--all gears and belts and dangerous bits the size of a Volkswagon! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:28:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JS2To028608 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:28:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JRsZn014907; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JRSHV008504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JRRMN052739; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JRLHb052614 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55ce.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.206]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 725A3A5002B for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3AEBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of the english coat in Costume Close Up. It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly on me. I have to redy the cut. This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same problems? The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it pushes my shoulders so much backwards. I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. This is very odd........... Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at this point, but no............... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JwQXs029064 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JwHqt017208; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:58:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JqQAs013029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JqJNr079909; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Jq6nS079636 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:52:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtkin@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-69-246-135-166.hsd1.tn.comcast.net[69.246.135.166]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006020319520001400k7ig0e>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:52:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:51:58 -0500 From: celtkin To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: h-costume Moda a Firenze book Thread-Index: AcYo+0qXiQIVWpTuEdqyUAANkz5D6g== In-Reply-To: <200602031900.k13J062S026024@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Moda a Firenze book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:58:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3B5D9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I bought _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis, but it is also available via alibris or abebooks.com (don't remember which). And if you Google for it, you can probably find the best price that way. I recall finding it for less shortly after I placed my order with Lacis. It also costs slightly less if you're willing to have it shipped from Italy, but that can take a month or more based on some recent experiences with books coming from Europe (they haven't arrived yet!). Moda was published just last year and is in the same vein as Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, centered around Eleonor of Toledo and her wardrobe accounts, Florence 1540-1580. There is not quite as much text as QEWU, but the book is full-color on heavy, velvety coated paper -- a truly beautiful book, worth every penny. The essays are in Italian and English. There were many paintings I had not seen before, along with interesting discussions of each element of the typical Florentine wardrobe during Eleonor's time (petticoat, gown, partlet, smock, hairstyles, etc.), some discussion about tailors and embroiders, extant garments, a printing of Eleanor's wardrobe inventories (in Italian only) and a great little glossary of Italian wardrobe and textile terms. Now if someone would publish a book like this about German fashion, I would be in heaven! Gysela > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:12 -0800 > From: Althea Turner > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laura de Pola's funky partlet > To: Historical Costume > > Where does one obtain a copy of this? I looked on amazon, but it's > not there. > many thanks! > > On Feb 3, 2006, at 7:29 AM, celtkin wrote: > >> Moda a Firenze _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 14:59:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13JxvqE029108 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Jxngv002776; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13JwsXP014237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Jwo19086846; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JwhKT086748 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4257 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219F05B4 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:58:42 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Moda a Firenze Thread-Index: AcYo9TpkIfjlezsNQSiMjgK+flirLwABkqGw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 19:58:42.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B874BF0:01C628FC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13JwhKT086748 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3B635.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. (I've never ordered from them on-line, so I don't know how reliable they are). You can also order directly from the Museum, but they want payment in Italian currency (and no credit cards) which I found problematic. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:36:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KaOp2029944 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:36:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KaFkC003108; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KYMF0019771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KYIJm023091; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KYE77022917 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:34:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.28f.509c28f (15863) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d22 (mblk-d22.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.14]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df743e3be3ba5; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F7184EAC859A-E14-75FC@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602031638.k13GbpUt075408@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.14) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:03 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602031638.k13GbpUt075408@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.14 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: my first glove! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3BEBF.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Having seen Dawn's glove in person, I can attest that it's every bit as droolworthy as it looks in the picture. However, regarding the sizing of the pattern, I thought I'd point out that Dawn's hands are long and narrow, while mine are short and wide, and when I tried on the glove it was obviously sized for someone of her hand shape and not mine. It was much too narrow across the knuckles and the fingers were way too long for me -- a problem I often have with commercial gloves. That won't stop me from putting a pair of gloves on my list of things to make after my pirate costume, though! Those are too cool to resist. Tea Rose ----------------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:29:35 -0600 From: Dawn Subject: [h-cost] my first glove! To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <43E376DF.5030509@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I used Vogue 7949 on some embroidered suede fabric. It's a little narrow on my hand, but not unwearable for costume purposes. (There's no method of sizing the pattern included despite the S-M-L claim) Overall I'm fairly pleased with the outcome: www.reddawn.net/costume/art/pirate/glove.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:49:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KnCii030159 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Kn4I5009846; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:49:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KmSSb023386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KmEUH037681; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13J6Q7Y032189 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 83022 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 19:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 19:06:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:06:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C1C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:39 03/02/2006, you wrote: >Speaking of extant inventories, can anyone point me to one that is >published from 16th-century France? I'm looking for one that >details women's garments rather than men's, and pretty much any >range of years is fine. I should be able to get Inventaires de la >Royne Descosse (Mary Queen of Scots' inventories for 1556-69), but >does anyone know of others? > >Many thanks, >Melanie Schuessler Melanie Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:50:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KoIa4030185 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:50:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KoATu005049; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KnsZF023612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KnnxB039151; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JFuKm041460 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so24159ugf for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s8DbPyPCgYW/QtTHF00eBseshfNFWRwKm6R8aUi6VXhQueVRib2gq9gFm1ADgtpEO9Bah4xTmEaZGPWsQfQ9Oqywjl0NnA5FpxkM5hi6QJXDg3Sx+MTT61rg+tbHwoVKMoCfOVtPMt2lNElRh20yQMUX+LN1aZyDbj+NU0oZYpQ= Received: by 10.48.49.7 with SMTP id w7mr605834nfw; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.49.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:05:52 -0600 From: Catrijn vanden Westhende To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The scoop on wool In-Reply-To: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c628ee$86d68110$6401a8c0@kimathlon> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13JFuKm041460 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C202.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To a certain extent yes, but this is rather oversimplified. Fibers can be sorted by staple length before spinning, but they aren't always. Woolens are not necessarily spun from just the shorter fibers - mixed fibers can also be used. The preparation of the fibers before spinning - whether they are forced to lie parallel or not - has a very large effect on whether the resultant product is classified as woolen or worsted (which I see as more of a spectrum than a black and white classification), regardless of staple length. While fulling, napping, and shearing is one finishing process for a woolen cloth, there are other options - cloth might be simply fulled; fulled and napped but not sheared; etc. Worsteds can also be fulled, although of coarse to a much lesser extent. The degree of 'worsted-ness' limits the amount of fulling that is possible. Wool is really a quite sturdy fiber. Water and detergent won't hurt it much, as long as there's absolutely no bleach. Of course any garment will last longer if can avoid repeated washings, but wool's not any worse about this than most fabrics (and better than some). - Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 15:51:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13KpBxM030196 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13Kp3BY016707; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13KoR4M023767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13KoO3r039811; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13JcdQ0064648 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so19368ugd for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:38:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=O7MQpjOhrFBmSIoE1uMLohnJBfkMMX/fRrLKHZRxa5cHez8VQ1GIO1lfFFpWmfkXzBQweqGFw7NXkEceBiYWSkzrmcaLUPe6Qio5OAbA7xWtdmhPUH60tAXqI6ZZPjzykUzPqtpN2OjW9HkbvzJSbUTZQvzxmRPe/DvYXZdvIJY= Received: by 10.48.199.13 with SMTP id w13mr616583nff; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C237.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13KpBxM030196 Status: RO I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic for my other half. I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar' situation. Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all else fails I could sell it -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 16:08:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13L8LTt030637 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:08:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13L8Ds3019519; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13L7P37027905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13L7FUu058027; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13L775m057704 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail24.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8HTQJALA4FUS for (sender ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGBJTGET; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:05:41 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:04:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:04:49 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20060203.130541.2693.186352@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3110192144 X-MAIL-INFO: 4604752d75610d25610d00810d00c410cd19054d510119e5e4ed5174e554d9ade5bd152904b50471b100490d0481 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rtIPelR1K7uGl9jesJoCTWA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3C63D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k13L8LTt030637 Status: RO Harris tweed is amazing stuff- if it's the real thing it is handwoven in the Isle of Harris off the Scottish coast which is why it's so narrow. That's the typical width for a single person handloom. If I were you, I'd consider making him a period hood with perhaps a matching belt pouch ( really nice one, not just a drawstring thingie). Harris tweed is just too nice not to use. Karen Seamstrix -- Caroline wrote: I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic for my other half. I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar' situation. Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all else fails I could sell it -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MJeOt031989 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:19:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MJUlG020688; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MIZw7039950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MILVt033907; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13MI3QF033467 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 6015 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AngelaFLazear) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 22:17:57 -0000 Message-ID: <022201c6290f$a87647d0$2a0010ac@AngelaFLazear> From: "Angela Lazear-CRC" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:17:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:19:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3D6F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne I find this exact problem often when I utilize 1920's patterns for women. The armscye always much too small. It seems to be also the case when I've purchased original garments from the period, I am built very slight and the armholes are very tight on me. It was also a problem in a few patterns I used from the 50s as well, but not most of them. I think people may have been smaller, and less well fed, and so yes, less well developed. I think we may have even discussed the phenomenon here on the list at times. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > > Hi, > I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of > the english coat in Costume Close Up. > It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. > The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly > on > me. I have to redy the cut. > This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same > problems? > The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in > comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it > pushes > my shoulders so much backwards. > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles > in > the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. > This is very odd........... > > Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at > this > point, but no............... > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:43:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MhKFn032597 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MhC3e030974; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MgLka043957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MgGJf061560; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MgAsu061404 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.95.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.95] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F59d3-0002Yi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:41:37 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:43:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DC80.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by Margaret Swain. Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:45:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MjNgA032642 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:45:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MjEMY015705; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MioFj044307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MikNe064368; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13Mibax064085 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8HZFFA6QXZFA for (sender ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGBQDVA8; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:43:06 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:40:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Message-ID: <20060203.164002.-7429961.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-17,19-65 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 24:12:1640542212 X-MAIL-INFO: 06e12491e1b070b5f9a191a1d1d1d92d40002d149900a9b154d031113530444595b92009b4f91d8db0e1d010c9adc9900129900159e0015970d0a1d494743484d49dd17134649d61fd6d9d65e4c5100010196059510110e0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rcmjbuH3CFLskiWCgm6l+8A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DCFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've had the shoulder issue with enlarging patterns from period garments. I believe that in the 18th century (particularly for the upper classes) they were trained from childhood that proper posture involved holding the shoulders back and down giving the body a wider front and narrower back. In modern America (I don't know about Denmark) a more 'slouchy' posture is the norm with the shoulders rounded towards the front which is exactly opposite from the 18th century posture. Aside from re-training ones body to the period posture, I don't know what can be done except adjusting the patterns somewhat to accomodate modern posture.....but I don't think it should be done too much because the broad-chested/narrow-backed look is part of what makes the fashions work and look right. Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > > Hi, > I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the > pattern of > the english coat in Costume Close Up. > It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. > The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very > badly on > me. I have to redy the cut. > This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the > same > problems? > The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very > much in > comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because > it pushes > my shoulders so much backwards. > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle > if any > att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no > wrinkles in > the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. > This is very odd........... > > Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate > at this > point, but no............... > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 17:57:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MvULn000372 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:57:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13MvMcK004698; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13MuAYB045969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Mu4LX075782; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13MtxG0075680 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.95.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.95] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F59qQ-0005pY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43E3ED6E.2000604@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:55:26 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit References: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3DFD2.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. > Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > att all. _An Elegant Art: Fashion and Fantasy in the 18th Century_ includes the catalog for an exhibit at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art and also several very interesting articles. In one, on movement, the author talks about proper stance and movement for the upper-class in the 18th century: "For carriage to be considered elegant, the shoulders and arms had to look relaxed, the upper arms curving gently away from the torso, not dropping straight down at the sides like servants or rustics." and "Because the armholes of bodices, vests, and coats were cut very high under the arm, it was physically far more comfortable to hold the upper arms slightly away from the torso; to drop the arms straight down at the sides made the armholes bind. With his coat buttoned, a man could raise his arms up over his head and his coat would not ride up." (p. 45) Just another thought. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:05:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N5Os7000523 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N5Fx7007599; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13N4Spe047417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N4N0T084213; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N4Idj084018 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213A3A21BF for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:04:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E3E16F.8000400@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:04:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed References: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E1AB.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Caroline wrote: > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic > for my other half. > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a > ha'porth of tar' situation. If you have another piece of contrasting fabric you certainly can make a tunic with different sleeves. I've done it with less than 3 yards, so I'm sure you can do it with 28" width. I used to cut the sleeves short, and make up the length by putting a wide band of contrast in the middle of the sleeve, and along the bottom hem, and once I even used the contrast as a sort of yoke.... let me see where that picture went... www.reddawn.net/costume/bluetunc.jpg That was the most delicious blue wool, but I only had a little over 2 yards, in pieces that weren't even square, so I pieced it most creatively. What you can't see is the 6" dark blue border on the hem. Sometimes though, if I'm not sure what to make, I just hem the ends and use it for a wrap. 3 yards is a nice length to wrap around yourself on a chilly morning. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:08:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N801c000563 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13N7q2c008620; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13N7Oax047834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13N7Lnb087117; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k13N7C1b086889 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71376 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060203230608.01dbd850@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:07:06 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> References: <43E37923.6010806@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060203190352.01daf990@127.0.0.1> <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:07:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E248.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:41 03/02/2006, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: >>Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' >>inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who >>dance "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. > >It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots >by Margaret Swain. > >Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de >France: catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and >paintings of Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne >Club, 1863. > >I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Thanks Melanie - I've forwarded this to my client, who lives in Inverness, so may be able to access it in a Scottish library. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:12:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NCA5W000636 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:12:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NC2vA010287; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:12:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NBbAf048460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NBYMf091142; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NBUbT090966 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.a3.44e1d93 (4560) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:10:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3E342.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Harris tweed is gorgeous stuff (was lucky enough (well boyfriend was anyway) to pick up a couple of rolls of it at Leeds market ages ago for next to nothing - dead stock from a tailoring supplier - smug grin!!!!) The real stuff can actually be made on a few of the islands surrounding Harris in the Outer Hebrides now (Harris, Lewis, Uist and Barra) - though it originated on Harris itself, of course. It's protected by Act of Parliament to call it Harris tweed if not "of pure virgin wool, spun, dyed and handwoven by islanders in their homes in the Outer Hebrides, (all about protecting the livelihood of the crofters weaving it). Was a fscinating program when on BBC2 when Nike used H tweed on a trainer. Would also suggest accessories, or small stuff - making sleeves out of something else might well just look odd (though it depends on what it actually is) - plus finding something with the same properties might be a task! Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:52:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NqVwL001259 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NqNSO024520; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NpMEl054435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Np8jW029178; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13Np49w029077 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:51:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:51:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:50:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.136.11.44] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602032257.k13MukIR076434@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:50:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 23:51:00.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF8BB6B0:01C6291C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Mary Queen of Scots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:52:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3ECB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The British Library has it - you may be able to order copies of the pages here: http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/ENR7GYAJ1T2JAMUDK25VFG5Y6HJ4XG59HTM9K729C91UJQ4E9A-03231?func=full-set-set&set_number=102549&set_entry=000001&format=999 Kate >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:41:37 -0600 >From: Melanie Schuessler >Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <43E3EA31.8000904@faucet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' > > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance > > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. > >It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by > Margaret Swain. > >Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: >catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of >Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. > >I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. > >Good luck, >Melanie Schuessler > > > >------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 18:56:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NuJsU001319 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:56:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k13NuBVp025958; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k13NtVGJ055304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NtRUQ033438; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k13NtNNH033341 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so742759wra for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ezDhohLOtHoFiEwbbr3kPSyMtF0c8Cz4/v15M3n5vr+wRnaTw55q3Hw2b/jPjkO4fpjblrJ79GghODpdNyAreNMQ/xQv/oyGMDzV5a0i5/pdA8ZKRlBstVdPMPzLUvQBA8PxM+uIOMebio2DSY92NbEqsq4QxBUL5Nf6cvvR6MQ= Received: by 10.64.96.20 with SMTP id t20mr622322qbb; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:55:22 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k13NtNNH033341 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:56:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3ED9B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >the english coat in Costume Close Up. >The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly on >me. I have to redy the cut. >This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >problems? Yes, of course. I did Coat, Vest and Breeches from suit #17. You might want to troll thru the h-cost discussion from oh say winter 2004 to spring 2005 and pickup all the comments, and answers to my questions re this suit. >I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any The coat's CF opening is about 4" wide. The buttons & buttonholes have no useful purpose on Coat #17. This 4" spread may explain why you think the original owner of this suit is a skinny dude. The vest buttons closed, tho many extant vests have only the top buttonhole actually open & useable. The rest are sewn but never cut. If you have the Baumgartner book from Williamsburg, the Norah Waugh Cut of Men's Clothes and Blanche Payne's layout for the 18th c suit, you'll get a broad spectrum of cut & fitting ideas. >att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in >the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >This is very odd........... Did you make a mockup that included your interfacing and other interior construction? Without the interfacing thru the front pectorial region, over the shoulder and across the upper back, yes it will wrinkle. Anything would. Bodies arent smooth. Only those corseted, pannier-wearing ladies you dress so marvelously are smooth thru the body. Norah Waugh shows the interfacing layout in her diagrams. If you have an 18th c suit at hand (perhaps in a friendly museum) or even a 19th tailcoat, you can feel the changes in interfacing at placket, shoulders, pectorals, skirts, cuffs, etc. Even a modern *bespoke* suit will inform. I'm happy to try to help further, but I've only done the one 18th c man's garment. I can however, do some pretty good tailoring. >Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at this >point, but no... I think you'll do just fine. Wish I could see it in progress, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:03:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1403x0b001427 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:03:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1403pqa029143; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:03:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1403DAY056512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1403AsL040528; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14031L4040309 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2d0.2bd7f39 (4560) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:02:41 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2d0.2bd7f39.31154921@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:02:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Harris tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3EF67.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO PS - didn't realise it was you!!! Really should read the e-mail addresses occasionally. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:11:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140B6Sc001501 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:11:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140AwM8032125; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k140AJiZ057612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140AHgm047353; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k140ACDu047300 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 87513 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 00:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 00:10:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204000755.01dbbee8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:10:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Mary Queen of Scots In-Reply-To: References: <200602032257.k13MukIR076434@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:11:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3F112.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:50 03/02/2006, you wrote: >The British Library has it - you may be able to order copies of the >pages here: > >http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/ENR7GYAJ1T2JAMUDK25VFG5Y6HJ4XG59HTM9K729C91UJQ4E9A-03231?func=full-set-set&set_number=102549&set_entry=000001&format=999 > >Kate > >> > Are you able to pass on more info about the Mary Queen of Scots' >> > inventories? I've just completed 4 dresses for Danse Ecosse, who dance >> > "at the Court of Mary" and I would love to pass on information to them. >> >>It's referenced in the back of The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots by >> Margaret Swain. >> >>Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: >>catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of >>Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. >> >>I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Thanks all - apparently my client has some photocopies of pages, taken at the National Library of Scotland, and is using them, she now tells me - I didn't know she had these. You might want to contact them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 19:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140vMVv002312 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:57:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140vEob016033; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k140tSPw064078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140tMug087078; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k140tHaE086832 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB6B01C8; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:55:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 3 Feb 2006 19:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:56:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E3FBEA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO They are Wonderfully reliable! Have been ordering from them for about 10 years! Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and wishes. (Unsolicited comments!) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze > I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. > > Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. (I've never ordered from them on-line, so I don't know how reliable they are). > > You can also order directly from the Museum, but they want payment in Italian currency (and no credit cards) which I found problematic. > -sunny > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 21:25:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142PRJY003628 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:25:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142PIu4014088; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k142OG8Y075291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142NsDQ061063; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142NnZE060902 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AAEA1DD1 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:23:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] interpretation of an image X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4108F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a second opinion of what he is wearing. http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical costumes", Jan Matejko. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 21:48:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142mULd003887 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:48:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k142mMDN021877; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k142ls1V078365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142lqUp082356; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f18.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k142loot082241 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:47:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:47:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c628f7$dcff7480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:47:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 02:47:44.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FEA8B90:01C62935] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E415F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Bjarne, modern men have larger arms and armscyes due to different types of physical activity, for the most part...yes there were occupations such as farmers and carpenters, but the upper class gentlemen took part in different activities. please don't feel bad about the fit of your armholes. I thoroughly believe in the muslin fitting block, then using the well fitted block to create your pattern, much like you do with women's clothes. I really like the book 'metric pattern cutting for menswear' by Winifred Aldrich. Use the Close fitting casual jacket block on p 16, shape a side back seam through squaring down from point 17, starting at a point 1/2 way between points 14 and 16, shape a nice curve hitting the line squared down from point 17. To shape the back shoulder seam,square a line up from the chest line at the front armhole. From point 8(the neck point) draw a line to the point where the chest line and that front armhole line meet(on the chest line). The line you have just drawn is your back shoulder line, cut the rest of the shoulder off and twist it around to the front shoulder so that the old shoulder seams meet and tape the paper seam together. The pleats of your coat should sit at the high hip, I usually drop this from the waist level between 5 and 10 centimetres, depending on the build of the man. The only problem I have found with any of Ms Aldrich's blocks is that the shoulder point is off the shoulder slightly on a lot of people. This can be taken out in the fitting, I think she used a selection of wide shouldered manikins to come up with her draft ;-) I hope that helps Let me know! Kelly in Nova Scotia "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:21 +0100 > > >Hi, >I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >the english coat in Costume Close Up. >It really is difficult to adapt an old pattern to a modern size. >The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly >on >me. I have to redy the cut. >This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >problems? >The gustavian suit i made last year, didnt have to be ajusted very much in >comparison, but it is very painfull to wear it long times, because it >pushes >my shoulders so much backwards. >I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any >att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles in >the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >This is very odd........... > >Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at >this >point, but no............... > > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 3 23:00:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1440pOm004693 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:00:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1440g84017268; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:00:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k143xgjk087238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k143xXXC044281; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k143xRVX044050 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.294.4e70751 (63000) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <294.4e70751.3115808f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:59:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:00:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E426EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/2006 5:57:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: For carriage to be considered elegant, the shoulders and arms had to look relaxed, the upper arms curving gently away from the torso, not dropping straight down at the sides like servants or rustics Partly it was training in holding one's body--this was one of the things a dance master taught--but also, little boys were put into "training" stays, if you will, just like girls were, that made them hold their shoulders back. Most men, though, left off wearing them when grown. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 01:48:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k146m2i9006333 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:48:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k146lrqc009875; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:47:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k146lO5o005730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k146lHuf071458; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k146lEsI071415 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 965C1267B9 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:47:13 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:47:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E44E19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a second opinion of what he is wearing. http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical costumes", Jan Matejko. Dawn Looks like simplicity pattern 9887 but with straight sleeves. The trim is running down the opening and you don't see it past the hands as it looks as if he is pulling the hem up. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:07:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14A7EmH002747 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:07:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14A72Vl013953; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14A6MSQ027303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14A6G5k021687; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14A6Cei021615 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:06:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 25A4DA5001C for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:06:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c62972$a2eb0680$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:06:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:07:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E47CC6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cin, Did you not enlarge the armscye nor the shoulder width at all? Thanks for your comments. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>I am trying to make myself a new suit, and today i drafted the pattern of >>the english coat in Costume Close Up. >>The armholes are much much two small and the shoulderseam sits very badly >>on >>me. I have to redy the cut. >>This i always have to do and i wondered if others of you have the same >>problems? > > Yes, of course. I did Coat, Vest and Breeches from suit #17. You > might want to troll thru the h-cost discussion from oh say winter 2004 > to spring 2005 and pickup all the comments, and answers to my > questions re this suit. > >>I dont understand how men had space for their arms in these suits. >>Upperclass people must have ben very skinny men without much mucle if any > > The coat's CF opening is about 4" wide. The buttons & buttonholes have > no useful purpose on Coat #17. This 4" spread may explain why you > think the original owner of this suit is a skinny dude. > The vest buttons closed, tho many extant vests have only the top > buttonhole actually open & useable. The rest are sewn but never cut. > If you have the Baumgartner book from Williamsburg, the Norah Waugh > Cut of Men's Clothes and Blanche Payne's layout for the 18th c suit, > you'll get a broad spectrum of cut & fitting ideas. > >>att all. Strange when i look at portraits, there seems to be no wrinkles >>in >>the armskyes, and there must have ben plenty of room for them. >>This is very odd........... > > Did you make a mockup that included your interfacing and other > interior construction? Without the interfacing thru the front > pectorial region, over the shoulder and across the upper back, yes it > will wrinkle. Anything would. Bodies arent smooth. Only those > corseted, pannier-wearing ladies you dress so marvelously are smooth > thru the body. > > Norah Waugh shows the interfacing layout in her diagrams. If you have > an 18th c suit at hand (perhaps in a friendly museum) or even a 19th > tailcoat, you can feel the changes in interfacing at placket, > shoulders, pectorals, skirts, cuffs, etc. Even a modern *bespoke* suit > will inform. > > I'm happy to try to help further, but I've only done the one 18th c > man's garment. I can however, do some pretty good tailoring. > >>Bjarne who wished i could for just one time make my pattern accurate at >>this >>point, but no... > > I think you'll do just fine. Wish I could see it in progress, > --cin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:20:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14AK48a005215 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:20:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14AJp0q018781; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14AIvnJ028935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AIuJS032516; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AIq6B032440 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 85E5E262870 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:18:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:19:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E47FC7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of myself. I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 05:27:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14ARgPN005828 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:27:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14ARYlO021086; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:27:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14AQoP1029579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14AQnwo038198; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14AQito038147 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95200 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 10:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 10:26:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:26:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48196.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:19 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >dress stand of myself. >I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we >say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so >wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original >cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. >I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! 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Status: RO Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? Thanks --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 06:11:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BBwbl012928 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:11:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BBo5q002287; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:11:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14BAGTf033643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BACHe071042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14BA7rC070916 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58379 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 11:10:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q+eGZ2qxiYTKCpmCeZ7GRF7H0k65sEjVonAuOFYaEP8O90o0xRyDC46WlEokden5pJSuIry4Ta0sKnxRjfy/Ql4Koc9TGaMwA65TOamx4az5m6Ru+Ww8p2yuFUlvC+S9S1E490Z+pHL9T43l6sV9uXtEEEGI7lGvKRX5bEgM78Q= ; Message-ID: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 03:10:01 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48BF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Bjarne. My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. Tania Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of myself. I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like these cuts in the book. I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 06:15:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BFM5Q013600 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:15:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14BF96i003311; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14BDRMP033971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BDRNV073519; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [203.220.32.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14BDMRQ073445 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.235.68] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1F5LM0-0004sQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:13:21 +1100 Message-ID: <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: References: <200602032257.k13MukIS076434@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:43:34 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E48CBD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 > From: Caroline > Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic > for my other half. > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a > ha'porth of tar' situation. > > Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all > else fails I could sell it > > -- > Caroline > Could you make a sleeveless surcoat from it? Men wore those too in the 13th century. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 07:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Cw3W6002231 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14CvtBg003621; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14CvV1W044266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CvSEi049553; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CvPHC049520 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:57:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F82B262882 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c6298a$91668ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4A4D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all. After shopping for this weekend and got back again, i got an idea. Ill send my green embroidered suit to the cleaners on monday, and in stead i will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones. This is the only thing that needs to be replaced, and embroidering new undercuff pieces should not take me long time. Dont you think this would be fine for a 3 days event if i bring along the green and the blue suit? I also have the velvet mundane suit with the red waistcoat i could use for the daytimes. For the other, the Williamsburg suit, i think i could go to proffesional helpers. There are small shops here in Copenhagen who takes commision jobs of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i bring them my mock up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... I will do this in the future......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 07:59:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Cxs40003171 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:59:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14CxkWQ024444; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14CxSdr044574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CxSZi051551; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CxMYL051491 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C960C47FE95 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c6298a$d9e75540$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:59:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4A542.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Tania, I have seen this in the school brochures sometimes. But 3000. kr. is a lot of money. I think il skip this, but thanks for reminding me Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite > expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The > course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My > mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. > It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in > Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as > possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of > myself. > I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that > "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment > for > theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like > these cuts in the book. > I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... > It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > > Bjarne > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Status: RO This seems like a very "period" solution, Bjarne! Have a wonderful time. We'll be looking forward to photos. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 4, 2006 7:57 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket > >... i will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones.... > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 08:33:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14DXXpR012263 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:33:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14DXPwt015840; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14DWiZv047884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14DWgYJ076490; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14DWcaU076439 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46244 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 13:32:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sBnmc9H0OrSuSI71r7ZGnPfGoDQcpuu1FBQx4gN4XRdWT6TThKS6/yz+KRwiyAGnmiRSrc/uNGWqebti6i37zfcIjeeCQL+g4TN59/AO9PB4Is3lzvQd5srWPng2Flplwdd/7Aw0v8TG8t2Ekbcs1pbLT8SrHttZCBRCIaMdXEI= ; Message-ID: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:37 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:32:37 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:33:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4AD25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello all I'm about to make my first crinoline, suitable for wearing with a smallish bustle underneath a late 1860s/early70s gown that I recently bought - it's in a bad way so I'm going to copy it as a pattern then try and restore it. Anyway, a lot of the original hoops that I've seen on museums are made from a kind of sprung wire that is round rather than the flattened steel i've seen in various shops. So far I've not found anywhere that makes the 'olde' type and am therefore assuming that people go with the flattened steel. What I'm aiming to do is make a set of women's undergarments (chemise, bloomers, corset and crinoline) that can be on display so I'd like the crinoline to look as authentic as possible. My copy of Period Costume suggests using the blind-making tape that you can run the steels through and while that is an ACE idea, I'm not convinced it will look good when on display. Has anyone attempted to be uber-authentic in their steel crinoline construction? I'd really appreciate it if there were links to pages or sites anyone could recommend. Google has not turned up anything suitable so far... Thanks again, Katherine, venturing far from her early t-tunic roots. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:06:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14E6Hcg013720 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:06:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14E699B027151; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:06:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14E5jvh052102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14E5ggK005528; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f35.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14E5cFv005461 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.152.143.207] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <34537.65.117.156.5.1138984653.squirrel@webmail.io.com> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 14:05:37.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[13082F80:01C62994] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4B4D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A book I found on glove making says to measure around the hand just above the thumb. Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] my first glove! >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0600 (CST) > >That is just fabulous!!! I really like this pattern. It is a copy of >one of their 1947 sets that they published way back when. The thumb >is the give away. Isn't that just the funkiest thumb you have ever >seen? > >I love that suede. > >What Vogue means by S-M-L is that that our hand from finger tip to >base of palm is either 6-7-8 inches in length OR it is 6-7-8 inches >around at the fattest part of our hand. I am betting it is the >fingertip measure. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EdLlF014156 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EdDFI006351; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14EcnmO055258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Eci0b032962; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14Ecaou032774 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8KRCXAMJJ36A for (sender ); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGDE2CAP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 06:38:00 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:34:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket Message-ID: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-9,11-50 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3949971167 X-MAIL-INFO: 10add895ad18a9a8dcd995d988886d41b83941c848393d2c7c71bc813158f18505e835d175dcddb918ad71ec6c786ce9b1fce9b1797db179a971d9c95965c169c95d8829c1095d1d9c685d8c0d89ec39ec25197955b1ec7d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76wkTLXV1z0rtxAgdTn7iuLcFjaRbHZFAQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4BC91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That sounds like a good idea, I wish we had folks like that in the States. Just make sure that whoever is helping you to fit the suit understands the fitting/style differences between modern and 18th century suits. You don't want them 'fixing' the fit! Karen Seamstrix On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:57:34 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi all. > After shopping for this weekend and got back again, i got an idea. > Ill send my green embroidered suit to the cleaners on monday, and in > stead i > will embroider new undercuff pieces and replace the old ones. > This is the only thing that needs to be replaced, and embroidering > new > undercuff pieces should not take me long time. > Dont you think this would be fine for a 3 days event if i bring > along the > green and the blue suit? I also have the velvet mundane suit with > the red > waistcoat i could use for the daytimes. > For the other, the Williamsburg suit, i think i could go to > proffesional > helpers. There are small shops here in Copenhagen who takes > commision jobs > of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i bring them my > mock > up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... > I will do this in the future......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 09:58:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14EwsgC014446 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Ewkfr013524; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14EwPc2059482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14EwJMO050700; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14EwFQs050474 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:58:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060204145807.ETWV4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:07 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYpdg5V7DNJNhq3QOatll708bBiYAAJTibQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: <20060204145807.ETWV4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:58:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C126.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh yes, do come between April 9 and 13. Then I could meet you too, Anne :) Bjarne I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! (lol) Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.1/250 - Release Date: 2/3/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 10:20:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FKkDs014749 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:20:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FKcQv020935; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:20:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14FJLMT066702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FJGUL069067; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FJ9Cr068873 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43E4C5ED.3020202@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:19:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 15:19:00.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[534FD430:01C6299E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C646.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you have a little information, about what materials will be used and what the process is. I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... Sg Tania Gruning wrote: >Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 10:31:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FV08g014883 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:31:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14FUrxs023900; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:30:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14FP9kq068811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FP894073942; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FP1it073748 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k14FGWA23118 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:16:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c629a0$2428d600$72bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:31:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:30:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4C8AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought it might be the edges of a fur lining, peeking out. ;o) --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > > > -----Original Message----- > I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I > have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get > a second opinion of what he is wearing. > > http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > > How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > > The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical > costumes", Jan Matejko. > Dawn > > Looks like simplicity pattern 9887 but with straight sleeves. > The trim is running down the opening and you don't see it past the hands as > it looks as if he is pulling the hem up. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDcwQ015588 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDUNr005058; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDA7k084128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDAdQ012710; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14B6lw2068334 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.199]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8675547FE05 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:06:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c6297b$19fc28f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060204102344.01db5718@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:06:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Thanks for the offer :-) well i use the cut of my green suit as a helping guide. My green suit is a little later period than this Williamsburg one. I find this interresting because it is "oldfashioned " in cut a kind of between the full skirted coats and the later narrower. It takes a little more space than i reconed, because the back is bias cut like the old ones as well. Problem is that i really dont have time to go slow in this, got an invitation to a hunting party 24th 25th and 26th ( there wont be any hunting, its just a theme) of february. I think perhaps i skip this projekt to a later one and then just make a copy of my green coat. Must cut out today, so that i can start up the sewing........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] williamsburg suit > At 10:19 04/02/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as >>possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of >>myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that >>"oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment >>for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look >>like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > > > Bjarne > > I think I have made this suit twice recently, but I used the pattern > pieces as a guide only - my customer was a different size - and redrafted > it to fit. I cut the armholes out when it is on the customer, so I know it > is comfortable - I know this would be difficult for you, but do you have > anyone you could trust to help you fit a toile? > > You could always pop over to London and I could help you fit it! (lol) > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDeJZ015589 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDWZw014181; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GCj2E084084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GChsD012362; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14B2VZV065317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k14B2LVJ023792; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:02:31 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" , "Tudortalk" , "Margospatterns" Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2AC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. A truly "Must have" book if you are into things Tudor. The URL http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/8788 takes you right to it, bypassing the deadly other sale offerings! Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:13:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDk0D015594 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDcRM003719; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDHIv084168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDHXo012837; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14CO42w025391 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so156006uge for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bLIPaqOMYkyugzBwKHM4o72N3y9KcKYvLQ84icT7kTcJ7Krzn4uuoSQgRuxqHBJ7EBzTA/zHXgFhIdzBxczkdFK/C/Q3UbIpzb7OaDpShhzE+V8g6rGFWOHlv4BImEocMjC2ZQH2Q/tSDHVwkp6XSBY9qPrJgRnQJQyHsnJua4E= Received: by 10.48.220.3 with SMTP id s3mr756822nfg; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 04:24:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602040424t30466ca1r@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:24:03 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed In-Reply-To: <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602032257.k13MukIS076434@net.indra.com> <004201c6297c$0aeb15a0$44eb443d@GILGAMESH> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k14GDk0D015594 Status: RO Oh that's a good idea. Will have to run that one past my other half. Thank you. On 04/02/06, Purple Elephant wrote: > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:31:32 +0000 > > From: Caroline > > Subject: [h-cost] Harris Tweed > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over > 3 > > yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a > tunic > > for my other half. > > > > I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? > Any > > thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for > a > > ha'porth of tar' situation. > > > > Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if > all > > else fails I could sell it > > > > -- > > Caroline > > > Could you make a sleeveless surcoat from it? Men wore those too > in the 13th century. > > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GE5TV015600 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GDv9h007287; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GDgSB084274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GDfQM013290; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14ETP2G025695 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 14:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 14:29:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204142754.01d5d9d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:29:04 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060204133237.46242.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k14ETP2G025695 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D2C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:32 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Hello all > >I'm about to make my first crinoline, suitable for >wearing with a smallish bustle underneath a late >1860s/early70s gown that I recently bought - it's in a >bad way so I'm going to copy it as a pattern then try >and restore it. > >Anyway, a lot of the original hoops that I've seen on >museums are made from a kind of sprung wire that is >round rather than the flattened steel i've seen in >various shops. So far I've not found anywhere that >makes the 'olde' type and am therefore assuming that >people go with the flattened steel. What I'm aiming to >do is make a set of women's undergarments (chemise, >bloomers, corset and crinoline) that can be on display >so I'd like the crinoline to look as authentic as >possible. My copy of Period Costume suggests using the >blind-making tape that you can run the steels through >and while that is an ACE idea, I'm not convinced it >will look good when on display. This http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=cage_crinoline_1860.jpg is the kind made using the Hunnisett pattern and curtain tape, so you can get an idea of what it would look like on display. I have had no problems using this method for museum use. Suzi >Has anyone attempted to be uber-authentic in their >steel crinoline construction? I'd really appreciate it >if there were links to pages or sites anyone could >recommend. Google has not turned up anything suitable >so far... > >Thanks again, >Katherine, venturing far from her early t-tunic roots. > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! 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Status: RO So, can you recycle your cuffs into something like a pillow, or little purse? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GGEjJ015628 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GG6Io005788; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GEInR084436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GEH9F013991; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14FeJKc086411 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43E4CAE6.7060406@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:40:22 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of the Parasol References: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3636953.1138811520413.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 15:40:13.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A51B4E0:01C629A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D346.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for putting this together. I was aware of the Max Von Bohen source, but not of some of the others. There are so many silly "truths" being strutted about.....it is a good lesson for newbies...do your own research. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:39:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GdjUr015968 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:39:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gdbc7015078; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Gd0Uf086444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GcuaT032810; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GcqIs032647 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:38:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.209.11e05840 (58677) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:38:42 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:39:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4D8C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:48:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gm8nF016126 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Gm1Jl018022; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GlNar087391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GlLFK040130; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GlFi9039981 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05620 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:17:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:17:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DAC1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other sections of analysis. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 11:56:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GuqLt016221 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:56:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14GuiiE020666; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:56:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14GuKAZ088269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GuIOA047801; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14GuEZO047660 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IU60076L9PHZ500@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DCCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of Janet Arnold-- I know there were other things thet she was working on that were supposed to be finished by others, including a book on shiorts and smocks. Does anyone know if it was ever published? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other sections of analysis. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14H8T8L016386 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:08:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14H8M92024424; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14H1h2d088641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14H1fmc051949; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14H1ZRM051858 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 11316A5006E for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:01:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c629ac$aa934610$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005201c6276b$bbdcc6f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarnes old embroidered cuffs..was : thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:01:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4DF86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Saragrace. I would have to cut away the underside cuff because it is really not a pretty sight, but well some kind of it could, perhaps one of these regency purces wich was recykled from embroidered waistcoats. I made the cuff in one piece, not two........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarnes old embroidered cuffs..was : thanks for your replyes of my embroideries and prices > So, can you recycle your cuffs into something like a pillow, or little > purse? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HMQWY016561 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:22:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HMI3u029018; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:22:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14HLi3G091056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14HLgGZ069558; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14HLbbX069478 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 80890 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 17:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 17:21:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:21:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:22:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4E2CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:56 04/02/2006, you wrote: >Speaking of Janet Arnold-- I know there were other things thet she was >working on that were supposed to be finished by others, including a book on >shiorts and smocks. Does anyone know if it was ever published? >Monica > No, this has not been published, and from what I can gather, no-one seems able to give me a date for publication. Janet was on the 4th draft when she died, so I would not have thought there was a lot to do, as she had done all the drawings, or so she told me. Suzi >On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: > > > I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories > > of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72!!!! I paid $170 for my > > copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought > > it a bargain. This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book > > stuffed with information far in excess of the dry listing of what > > Henry and Edward owned. It also has a glossary and dictionary. My > > copy bristles with little yellow sticky notes marking fascinating > > things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, the eye glasses. > >Word on the street is that the long-awaited analysis volume, which was >shelved with Janet Arnold's death (she was doing the costume analysis) is >back in production. I don't know when it will be coming out. I have this >information from one of the scholars who is doing one of the other >sections of analysis. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 12:40:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HeR7L016854 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:40:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14HeJUf003243; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:40:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14HYLNC092571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14HYJXi080619; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50806.mail.yahoo.com (web50806.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k14HYHkx080491 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from albrakat7@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18288 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MB7qsCF3o6kocKHybWyMWTfupwU/Er2U3GTcBo0dZ96h26AiGFqoDBiBX6kuM2mmCIuePYVGIpk4I2ie+N+RUefr3dnclXyKfCNyadMi+g0E6PGhyDbTZjQzCRhqhyhcc11iqj28L2a/8elRIATJeRkNvQ1XdSU8uo55g75lhYk= ; Message-ID: <20060204173412.18286.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.231.87.123] by web50806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:34:12 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:34:12 -0800 (PST) From: KATHRYN WOLTERS Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4E703.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I'll also vouch for Hedgehog Handworks!! *Very* reliable---and *very* helpful.I've known and worked with them , Joady and Colin, for 20 plus years. I also get most of my metal thread embroidery supplies for my classes from them:) Kathryn Lloyd Mitchell wrote: They are Wonderfully reliable! Have been ordering from them for about 10 years! Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and wishes. (Unsolicited comments!) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Moda a Firenze > I bought my copy of _Moda a Firenze_ from Lacis (http://www.lacis.com/) in Berkeley CA, but I have heard they ran out... you could call and see if they got more in, as my info is a month old. > > Yesterday I noticed that Hedgehog Handworks (http://www.hedgehoghandworks.com/catalog/BKCT6001.shtml) is selling it on line. 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:09:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14I9lrt017264 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14I9dkp013620; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14I7Xo2096083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14I7VW5008394; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14I7PWj008350 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC38C5CEAE for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IU6002Z5D0CYM@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:07:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:07:26 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <43E4ED5E.8010505@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20060204111001.58371.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:09:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4EDE3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Such as http://www.mytwindressforms.com/how.htm ? Roger WickedFrau wrote: > Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you > have a little information, about what materials will be used and what > the process is. > I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... > > Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hi Bjarne. >> My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is >> quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of >> yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are >> around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:52:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IqmP5017873 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Iqe3R030469; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14IppLZ002476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IppsK049981; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Ipl1o049929 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:51:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:51:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:51:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 18:51:47.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CBA8A60:01C629BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:52:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F7F8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from our historical counterparts. Good luck on the new draft! Kelly in Nova Scotia "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 > >Hi, >Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much as >possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand of >myself. >I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say that >"oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and ment >for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to look like >these cuts in the book. >I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:54:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Ish0g017898 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IsZ81026970; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14ImpTt001927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14ImjcA046955; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14ImfEu046896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k14ImWxV026501 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52838.64.156.242.51.1139078916.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> References: <20060204.083404.-135242351.0.penhalion@juno.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fitting, was: williamsburg jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F86B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > That sounds like a good idea, I wish we had folks like that in the > States. Just make sure that whoever is helping you to fit the suit > understands the fitting/style differences between modern and > 18th century suits. You don't want them 'fixing' the fit! We do have people like that! Many drycleaners offer mending, reweaving, tailoring, etc. I agree with your warning about "fixing the fit". If someone is trained for 21stC fit, they need to know where the fit is different. I've had good luck with friends who are not necessarily experts, but can follow instructions. And not stick pins in me. :-) The les opinionated someone is about the project, the more likely they will be able to do what you want. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 13:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IxMFm017961 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14IxFmD000677; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Iwb8O003390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IwZJD056042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14IwWru055982 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:58:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:58:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c6298a$91668ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] williamsburg jacket Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:58:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 18:58:31.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDAE5910:01C629BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:59:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E4F983.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again Bjarne! Take the period draft and the portrait you want to use as you inspiration with you when you go to the dressmakers or tailors...this will help them to help you with cut. It's always better to have someone else do the fitting for you...I'm at this stage almost now, I will soon have the petticoat done and will be ready to fit the doublet. I'm going to do the draft for the doublet, make a mock up and have Robert fit it on me. Then I know it will fit, and all I'll have to do is stand in the mirror! Good luck, we want to see pictures! Oh and I think two suits over three days will be fine, paack lots of changes of linens(shirts and such) And you should be fine. I usually bring three times the linen I think I'll need and half the dresses. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus There are small shops here in Copenhagen who >takes commision jobs of sewing jobs like mending or remade old things. If i >bring them my mock up, i could have them help me to fit it better.......... >I will do this in the future......... > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:45:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JjgR1018681 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:45:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JjYmZ019102; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14JiqPm007782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JikLn095214; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jifcq095166 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C6A76262862 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:44:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c629c3$7f313290$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Williamsburg suit. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5045E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, I think i have gotten the best of help i can get from Ian the Staymaker. He offered me to help me draft a pattern propperly :-) So i can relax for the time being. I really like that Williamsburg Suit, it is very nice, and would be lovely if i succed in making it for myself. Ian is the best of help i could get. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:49:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JnUYM018742 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:49:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JnNdZ020403; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Jmw5s008032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jmw2Y098630; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14Jmsid098555 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B981C47FE01 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:48:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] another question, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:49:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50543.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold gimp i could use. Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to make a looped lace flower? Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 14:50:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JoaJH018757 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:50:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14JoSs6025405; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14JnuS8008145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JntP9099450; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14JnqwC099402 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5TPr-000EnR-7u for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:49:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:48:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed References: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602031131hb0e2061x@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50584.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If it's the hard, tight-woven stuff, make hoods for you and yours. It's as waterproof as anything. Jean Caroline wrote >I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 >yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28" wide so it's a bit small for a tunic >for my other half. > >I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any >thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a >ha'porth of tar' situation. > >Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all >else fails I could sell it > >-- >Caroline >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:17:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KH5Vk019098 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:17:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KGvuD030422; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KEeAx010457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KEbDe019358; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KEXIw019313 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5Tnl-000HbP-7k for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <6vOM7uIlrQ5DJwDD@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:13:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:17:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50BB9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the modern torso. Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? Jean Kelly Grant wrote >It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but >if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. > >I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he >felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get >a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. > >The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of >mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark >taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the >city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the >shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was >exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from >our historical counterparts. > >Good luck on the new draft! > >Kelly in Nova Scotia > > > >"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, >faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers >in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, >despite your fears" >Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: >>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >> >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >>much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >>dress stand of myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong >>and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends >>up to look like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:19:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KJML0019196 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KJEbf031375; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KIc3E010876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KIbj8022816; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KIY5Q022751 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5Trd-000I4d-8j for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:17:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Fw: [h-cost] Sees References: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> In-Reply-To: <039101c628c3$e3ce9c20$0802a8c0@DGKQ5981> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:19:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50C42.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And Barbie appears to be wearing black court shoes (pumps) rather than white trainers, which also helps! Jean Lori Alston wrote >http://www.wweek.com/html/lifefeature112499.html > >Second one down in black and white you can see the big bow... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031569409&category=15953 >Barbire in a uniform this one fits better on Barbie then they do in >real life behind the counter > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" > >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:02 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees > > >> I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop >>assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the >>same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a >>photo of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? >> >> Glenda. >> >> , but the 20th century >>>> isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... >>> >>> I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen >>>some hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. >>>Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their >>>uniforms...those poor ladies... >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:22:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KMqZQ019244 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:22:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KMjiL032675; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:22:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14KMKfm011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KMHN7025530; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KM35v025416 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.248]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 432FF47FE41 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00ed01c629c8$ba339ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c62974$6e7f75f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6vOM7uIlrQ5DJwDD@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:22:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E50D15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Jean, Yes i have often wondered this two, and this about narrow back was that a renaissance "thing" two? There also is the 1625-50 "thing" to bend your back so that your belly goes out. This is both sexes.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit > The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I > would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we > have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the > front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at > the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only > from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the > modern torso. > > Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? > We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and > hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? > > Jean > > > > Kelly Grant wrote >>It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but if >>you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >>shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >>have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. >> >>I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he felt >>the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get a good >>fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. >> >>The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of mine, >>is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark taught >>Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the city. When I >>went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the shape of his body >>pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was exciting for both of us >>to see the way we move in different ways from our historical counterparts. >> >>Good luck on the new draft! >> >>Kelly in Nova Scotia >> >> >> >>"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced >>with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in >>advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite >>your fears" >>Caius Merlyn Britannicus >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>>To: >>>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >>> >>>Hi, >>>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as much >>>as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a dress stand >>>of myself. >>>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong and >>>ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends up to >>>look like these cuts in the book. >>>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is >>>impossible.......... >>>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >>> >>>Bjarne >>> >>> >>>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 15:53:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KruRC019663 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14KrmAr010301; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:53:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14Kr0gx021717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KqwL1055308; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14KqsJ4055225 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:52:49 -0800 Message-ID: <43E5142B.2060708@msn.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:52:59 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 20:52:49.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[F56CC010:01C629CC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5145C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bad, Bad, Bad Wanda! Thank you! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4qbD019814 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4imk014131; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14L4EqT022898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4DaC063959; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4Ahf063919 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BB75DD5A for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:04:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204124120.0314b550@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:48:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B0749B1BD@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <003d01c62925$e455e100$905083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacis & slate frames {was Moda a Firenze} X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:04:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E516EC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:56 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >Besides Lacis, they(she) have been offering all the specialty tools and >threads, besides books and manuals that anyone could want for all textile >arts for a very long time. Lots of personal attention for your wants and >wishes. I once thought that way about Lacis carrying every textile art thing I could imagine until recently. I was hoping they would have a slate/peg frame for embroidery (the old fashion kind of embroidery frame, found in the UK, but not commonly found in the States). I've asked via email about one, and Lacis never responded. A friend asked them in person when he visited the store, and they didn't know what it was. I was surprised since I figured they, of all the stores I've known in California, would know what one was and would have one in stock. Not even Hedgehog Handworks has them (at least not online, and they also didn't respond to e-mail). I've only found one US site that carry them, and one other site that claims it will in the future. Both are on the east coast. Kimiko Fresno, CA, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4rDl019815 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14L4keh027321; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14L4EsN022899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4EiD063966; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14L4AKU063920 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8035DD59 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:58:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image In-Reply-To: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E516EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have >my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a >second opinion of what he is wearing. > >http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > >The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical >costumes", Jan Matejko. > > >Dawn It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 16:17:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14LHtFB019992 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:17:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14LHlKQ018068; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:17:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14LH9oO024440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14LH8fd074398; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14LH3kf074252 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.129]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060204211657.VPVN3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:16:57 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:16:54 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:17:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E519FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I remember hearing a rumor that the volume 4 (textile finds) of Osebergfundet was written but never published.. does anyone know the status of that project? Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 17:07:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14M77I9020595 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:07:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14M70oh000480; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14M5WTt028169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14M5TcO011690; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14M5Obw011608 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j40so309658ugd for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l0ixi4h6A3+KkK2356XMqEKY7uad0VPsDaxSx72PuzFPs4Ri1jne8COoHIH37bS8O6BMV8axDs0dLEEdE4tgoxzg8wlS4Ze+gPdhqt2aOFxWGfPEdEN0kHRJEMdJ2kAMVY2oUwgBmtCRLMyNeC1+iFK6+DYVuxuvsLTyygRyR9U= Received: by 10.48.223.10 with SMTP id v10mr694173nfg; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:05:21 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E52584.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k14M77I9020595 Status: RO As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any hand in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo to see if there is any manscript survives. On 04/02/06, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > I remember hearing a rumor that the volume 4 (textile finds) of > Osebergfundet was written but never published.. does anyone know the > status > of that project? > > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 21:07:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1527lYT023758 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:07:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1527doY008818; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:07:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1527FNx051078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1527Bg3001941; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15277ls001822 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [4.249.171.161] (dialup-4.249.171.161.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.171.161]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1526sIf002489 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:06:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:07:46 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:07:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E55DEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Caroline wrote: > As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any hand > in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo to > see if there is any manscript survives. > > ah but volumes 1-3 & 5 were published as you said, but volume 4 was never published! there's been that rumour that it's coming out for quite a while - not a clue on reality though. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 21:50:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k152oFb1025001 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k152o7gd022042; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k152nPYQ056764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k152nLnG036158; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k14NbaMx088946 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08582 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:07:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:07:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E567DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: > >I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have > >my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a > >second opinion of what he is wearing. > > > >http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > > > >How would you interpret the lines on the front of his gown? > > > >The image is by a 19th century artist who did a portfolio of "historical > >costumes", Jan Matejko. > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for > the upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since > the shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. Or, equally likely, the original artwork had shadows, and the artist didn't understand what he was looking at, and rendered them as lines that might have been (in his impression) seams or trim or a separate overlayer. It's anyone's guess what the 19th-century artist thought it was, and in any case, that probably has little to do with what was actually done historically. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:10:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153AMg9025256 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153ACDI027813; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1539f57059248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1539ax5051613; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1539VUd051490 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 44656 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 03:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 03:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E56C94.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's actually the future, I believe). I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my inspiration. As always, thanks in advance. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:15:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153Fgne025325 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:15:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153FZdC029441; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k153FIlt059889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153FFmi055567; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153FC76055467 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D04A1F97 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:15:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E56DD1.3000006@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E56DD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wanda Pease wrote: > This is simply an unbelievable sale for a huge book stuffed with information > far in excess of the dry listing of what Henry and Edward owned. It also > has a glossary and dictionary. My copy bristles with little yellow sticky > notes marking fascinating things like the knitted hose, the hound collars, > the eye glasses. Is it illustrated at all or is it simply text? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 4 22:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153S6HC025454 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:28:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k153RwNd000645; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k153Q3Dm061215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153Q2hx064053; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k153PwcF063925 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F92A21BF for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:25:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:26:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:28:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E570BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg >> > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 01:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k156ATec027194 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:10:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k156ALLk015153; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:10:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1569nwT078772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1569gX0082976; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1569cJC082924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1569YGk011035 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:09:37 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:12:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <43E56DD1.3000006@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:10:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E596CD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Is it illustrated at all or is it simply text? > > > > Dawn All Text, but there is the promise of an illustrated second volume this sometime "real soon" now. Things are described in such a way, that if you have much experience with period items you will have little trouble envisioning them. Of course, for me the written word translates into a vision in my head. I 'see' the story a book is telling. It makes it hard when my favorites are made into movies and the characters don't look a thing like I imagine them! Wanda > Wanda Pease wrote: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 02:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15718K3027637 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:01:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15710Md032464; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1570LME082684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1570JKL021444; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1570G1P021398 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A16D48F700E4; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:55:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:00:19 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more (though if anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased it in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing and the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it was for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be dragged around a muddy field). Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I never seem to find the time for :-( Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 02:13:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k157DOY8027759 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:13:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k157DGro004317; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k157Cap7084297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k157CX3N031684; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k157CUcA031633 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 178C83387A for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:12:29 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:12:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:13:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5A58C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From the head gear on the man behind the guy in black, you are probably looking at Germanic. Maybe coat flaps (fur lined) or "collar" . http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer21.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer9.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer25.htm Upper right, pink and black striped sleeves (which is probably Durer) http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer59.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/durer/p-durer47.htm -----Original Message----- It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 03:19:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k158JIi6028317 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:19:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k158JA4n026821; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k158G499092561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k158FxBm087108; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k158Ft0a086966 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:15:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61466 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 08:15:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pzfKm+fCZWvD1sjURk635XCdYiYSnQkSogRgmVk9Jwcy7E9GyrjdPaEHhM47L6E61ac8ckYDjkZycg5LQggQoen1XNThm4aT3RsXsDz+tAKD03p4Un/Z2845gVzh8wLHkCiOEOVLGNg3BigH5qCiUeEJnxPPCEXox4u7m87UGd0= ; Message-ID: <20060205081549.61464.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:15:49 PST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Class: was williamsburg suit To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5B4FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One of the problems with the papertape and ducttape forms is that they are not really corrected after being made. Standing up for 2 hours or so, getting glued up with automatically make you slouch, so what you get is a dressform with a bad posture ;-) The teacher is using some special strong paper and glue to get the form, then the form is cut up and corrected to your normal bodyshape, a thin layer of padding is put on, and a fabric cover is made. What you get is an exact copy of yourself, minus the slouching. Oh, those 3000 danish kr is a long weekend course Friday noon to Monday night with overnight stay and food. Tania WickedFrau wrote: Clearly I won't be able to make the class, but I am interested, if you have a little information, about what materials will be used and what the process is. I wonder if it isn't like the kits you can buy over here with a video... Sg Tania Gruning wrote: >Hi Bjarne. > My sewing teacher Kia is doing a dressform course in june. It is quite expensive though, but the form will be an exact copy of yourself. The course itself is around 3000 kr and the materials are around 5-700. My mother has one and it is wonderful. > > Tania > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 04:56:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k159u3OG029815 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:56:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k159tu8D009510; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:55:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k159rlox021391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k159rfV1066247; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k159rd4P066209 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so336366uge for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jl9PsFfHsESdukZI4TkmqjI7waLrcmsKAUmgcE5w2+nJbf8NrEkvKbDwtM/dxluZwhgia/vLsIclBCSZLjV+7OYxsT2CSRU6zUx5w/zxK8hR4Z0typSLtz4Z/Pf6aL6uNYxuB7wA4QJi7rGFcxl4MqENrn2tSVUFrpnLjDXgOM8= Received: by 10.48.108.11 with SMTP id g11mr916866nfc; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.90.16 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37ee9e000602050153p6ca919acv@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:38 +0000 From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles In-Reply-To: <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060204151124.02644e40@mail.alltel.net> <37ee9e000602041405s63c0602fj@mail.gmail.com> <43E55DF2.9080607@theoldforest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:55:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5CBAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k159u3OG029815 Status: RO I know vol 4 was never published. If it is going to be published only Oslo University would know. I recently got some unpublished text from Perth (I still had to pay - and I cannot publish it) on medieval textiles excavated in the 80's. The text for Osbergfundet 4 may also be available in this form. Write to them and ask. On 05/02/06, Judy Mitchell wrote: > > Caroline wrote: > > As volume 5 was published in 1919 - I doubt anyone is alive who had any > hand > > in volume 4. I would sugest contacting Oldsaksamling University, Oslo > to > > see if there is any manscript survives. > > > > > ah but volumes 1-3 & 5 were published as you said, but volume 4 > was > never published! there's been that rumour that it's coming out for quite > a while - not a clue on reality though. > > -Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 08:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DFcmX004091 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:15:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DFV2Q014304; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15DEhXW055765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DEYrB040820; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DEVqC040686 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA30022C; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:14:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 08:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c62a56$564ed9c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E41034.3010101@reddawn.net><6.2.1.2.0.20060204125629.03107d90@64.87.54.245> <43E57057.2060202@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:16:11 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E5FA73.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > Kimiko Small wrote: > > >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >> > > > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > > > > > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's > clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a > yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part > is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. > > Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 08:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Demma004384 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:40:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15DefAv023683; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15DZHiD058967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DZFUC055730; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15DZB6j055629 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF080250; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:35:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 08:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:36:58 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E60059.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wouldn't that be too flimsy? Seems to me that the weight of any garment would crush the extension. I have read somewhere (Godey's) that piano wire was one of the reliable wires for making these cages. I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. One I use for contemporary use ad shed most of this covering in it's long history. I recovered it with white florist tape. This allows it to move freely in its traces and retards the rusting of the steel. Another one has had the vertical tapes replaced with drapery header. I found one that was the width of the original and had the neat tracers that accommodated the wire exactly. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring > tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > > > I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > > I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made > from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more > (though if > anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > > Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased > it > in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > > and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing > and > the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it > using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it > was > for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be > dragged around a muddy field). > > Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things > on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I > never seem to find the time for :-( > > Debs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 09:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15EGEX7004834 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:16:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15EG4MV002170; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15EFWX4064533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15EFPHd083160; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15EFOJ5083145 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:15:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so916440wri for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k9WpfgSvGSRFDuHl8x6ahk98fn+6qpvCWKVu9o4F7wiBGkJGbzUNpNryR3dgsg7dfwjPt3jBN/5cv/HEszGx05R3lTieIsNZq0kre/5km9L+Nn7ReaYCYRwuiIkZTKNuuAUMcRdvhWQMd82uXhTW4ieU9ISY6aUOwltjqZtEyps= Received: by 10.54.86.20 with SMTP id j20mr1967968wrb; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.67.7 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:15:23 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k15EFOJ5083145 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E608A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered Hoop Steel", I've never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php Text from their website: Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel "We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to find one to suit your purpose. One style is "thread covered", it can be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner work. The second type of steel is "plastic coated" and this comes in varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut." Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4" and 1/2 inch bones, this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 Katy On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring > tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > > > I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > > I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made > from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more > (though if > anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > > Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased > it > in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > > and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing > and > the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it > using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it > was > for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be > dragged around a muddy field). > > Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things > on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I > never seem to find the time for :-( > > Debs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 09:28:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15ESstV004981 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15ESkQk006011; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15ESBC5065892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15ESAUW091612; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15ES7Yp091572 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.52]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F5ks1-00038N-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:05 -0500 Message-ID: <14585483.1139149685769.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E60B9E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks to me like an add-on, too--an applied exaggerated collar (fur?), most likely, considering how well it fits the neck edge of the gown. (Those points would have been the envy of Carnaby Street back in the 'Sixties!) It doesn't look like a turn-back of the gown's natural edge. I initially thought of a separate mini-surplice-like thing, but how it would maintain its shape and also line up along the neck edge I don't know. I know nothing of this illustrator--did he reliably work from original illustrations such as paintings and illuminations, or was he one of the nineteenth-century fact-plus-imagination types? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lloyd Mitchell >Sent: Feb 5, 2006 8:16 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > >Here's a wild guess. >The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the >rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe >could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the >garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. >There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that >became academic or judicial garb of honor. > >Kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dawn" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > > >> Kimiko Small wrote: >> >> >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg >> >> >> > >> > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the >> > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the >> > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not >> > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. >> > >> >> >> It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's >> clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a >> yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part >> is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. >> >> Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:30:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GUKK0006564 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:30:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GUCbe016028; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:30:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GTc8G083434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GTVQZ084270; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GTQxU084227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.232] (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15GTGOa007528 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:29:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002501c62a59$3d988720$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:29:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62814.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I have at least three crins of this period and the wire in them is >not quite tubular (think 'linguini and not speggitti).It is flexable >but is not bent easily. The originals were fiber cased. Needle & Thread in Gettysburg, PA (USA) carries this hooping. At least they did some years back when I got it. They have patterns, fabric and supplies for historic reenactors. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:52:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gqdso006860 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:52:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GqVEJ024948; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GpfIx087912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GpcnK006087; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GpYWk006011 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lSAQc7QXNbSshPHaMh08C5k+KqhQP17lWqjO2Z9UZlkBHuug/8FJNRgWIyUCxv7r; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.204] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5n6q-0005qw-Mj for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:51:33 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01c62a74$665be830$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b0ccfca57f7e7aa44e78c54070132c74c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.204 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62D4F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO angela wrote: > Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the > depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a > production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era > feel, If what you're looking for is US military uniforms, do an image search at www.altavista.com on "bonus march", which was in 1932, and 1930's + strikes and you will get plenty of images of army uniforms. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:54:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GsQ3x006882 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GsJx3024249; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:54:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15Gs2nt088224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Gs1xc008247; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GrvhP008166 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Qlq/BY6PFw6QHRkqV5WDvnhsWCiDEn7RQNsPtyr2KUURADYidcV8dYCl/uWzL8iv; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.204] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F5n9A-00070D-1H for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00a701c62a74$bbcb3eb0$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1> <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:53:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b6344e2423cb30c3905a9691893026f44350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.204 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62DBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I should have paid more attention to the title, but the search on 1930's strikes should also get you pictures of steel and auto workers. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 11:55:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15GtBDw006895 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:55:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Gt3qT025890; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15GsBkY088266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GsAT4008395; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15Gs6ob008239 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72980 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 16:54:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o0wz5Kf3j+AJ5RL6Cgul8S5fhSPt5WvWvOR+tO2vD1bjTr1DAl3Jw2yx4hPxTa4h3dGQpPoGh4p5rO1ojbSSyxBMCLMAbxZoW4Vuyh4oOdCG4g/nFIgpM1hrllCDeiimvjAe0Jrm7jjP5JQ870JXP3PA86x89h2qCsMytqdoSPM= ; Message-ID: <20060205165400.72978.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:54:00 PST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: posture and cut, was williamsburg suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:55:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E62DE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have been watching this topic with interest. Just my uneducated opinion, but I think there are a number of factors at play here. We are healthier and better fed than our ancestors so yes, our bodies are 'modern' and in many cases lager scaled, but life style has a great deal to do with it as well. For the most part we are trying to reproduce fashions of the middle and upper classes, whose lifestyle was considerably different than the "working" man. If burly shoulders were an indication of a man that had to labor to eke out a living, then I can see where the fashion would be towards making the silhouette as narrow as possible to indicate that a person did not have to labor for his living. These days a more muscular appearance seems to be favored through all social strata. Young men from prosperous families in previous eras engaged in 'leisure activities' that required an upright "back straight, shoulders up and square" posture such as horseback riding, fencing, shooting, etc. And young women similarly - I defy anyone to slouch and play the piano well for example. By comparison, many modern day people drive to work, sit at computers, and for entertainment watch television. Those striving for fitness often work out a gym or health spa which gives a different body structure again than someone whole engages in physical labor for a living. And, as has been mentioned already, posture was an indicator of social status. Also, modern medical science and chiropractic support a more natural posture, advocating allowing for the natural curvature of the spine. To me this looks like slouching btw, but it does open the shoulders wider. Just for an experiement and out of curiosity - I had my shoulder width measured while sitting up square and straight and then when slouching - there was a 5" difference in the width of my shoulder measurement! There are still a wide variety of body types out there. For example, I have a friend who would probably need very little alteration or scaling up for that matter to be fitted well. Lastly, if the stereotype for physical appearance/stature being related to country or geographical area of origin has any basis in fact, would not the clothing made for an 18th cent. Frenchman, (who were supposedly shorter and smaller in stature), be a bit tight for an 18th cent. contemporary from a different geographical origin? JMHO Annette M Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:13:25 +0000 From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit The cut of clothes seems to be still moving (not surprising really..) I would say my husband and I both have pretty good posture, and recently we have both found that shirts or blouses from Next are too narrow across the front and too wide across the back. If we stand normally they strain at the buttons - if we slump our shoulders a little they fit better! Only from the one shop, so far, but Next must think this is the shape of the modern torso. Are there any other periods when you find a wider back and narrower front? We know fashion is cyclical - waistlines go up and down, shoulders and hips go out and in - do shoulders go forward and back as well? Jean Kelly Grant wrote >It will have a bit of a modern look, because of our modern bodies, but >if you try to cut the back narrow, the shoulder seam to the back, the >shoulders as narrow as possible, and the armhole high, you should still >have the 'look' you are trying to achieve. > >I spoke with the other professor this morning about your dilema, he >felt the same way I did...and it seems, many others, that you can't get >a good fit by scaling up historical garments, we are built differently. > >The only other thing I could suggest, as it worked for a college of >mine, is to practice the movements and excercises of the period. Mark >taught Victorian period calesthenics for a historic site here in the >city. When I went to create a new doublet for him, I found that the >shape of his body pattern fit exactly like the period draft! It was >exciting for both of us to see the way we move in different ways from >our historical counterparts. > >Good luck on the new draft! > >Kelly in Nova Scotia > > > >"Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, >faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers >in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, >despite your fears" >Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: >>Subject: [h-cost] williamsburg suit >>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:19:02 +0100 >> >>Hi, >>Thanks for all your interresting inputs to my question. >>It is interresting to compare all the real cuts to the cuts in >>Evolution of Fashion. What i want is to obtain the original cut as >>much as possible. But it really is difficult and i wished i had a >>dress stand of myself. >>I cant stop thinking about all our words for newbeginners when we say >>that "oh no, dont use Evolution of Fashion" because that is so wrong >>and ment for theater costumes, when in the end our original cut ends >>up to look like these cuts in the book. >>I wish i could make it excatly as original, but it is impossible.......... >>It does end to look like the cuts in Evolution......... >> >>Bjarne >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> Message: 6 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:22:27 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] posture and cut, was williamsburg suit To: "Historical Costume" Hi Jean, Yes i have often wondered this two, and this about narrow back was that a renaissance "thing" two? There also is the 1625-50 "thing" to bend your back so that your belly goes out. This is both sexes.............. 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Status: RO In my translation anyway it says... Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. Dyed I understand. Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. And does anyone know what halberjet is? These are the only definitions I got when I googled. Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the length of the right arm of king Henry 1. Annette M --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 12:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15HISrZ007331 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:18:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15HILRU003339; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:18:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15HI0DI092310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15HHvkU029576; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15HHrSM029476 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8NN3HAG2Q6FA for (sender ); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGGAHF6Q; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:16:36 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:15:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 Message-ID: <20060205.111519.-149657747.1.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-41 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1135070901 X-MAIL-INFO: 2ffd2da42d3194353194d45494d43de110e500d1e4f0e5612021e4a9615d50c06175b1b0fdb5fdd01dd42494fd54 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn74sP7DRdz6m9yDPPKM7vp4lDY5bzYctzYQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:18:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6335D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In period, russet referred to natural brown wool. By the Elizabethan era (the one I'm most familiar with), russet cloth had come to imply/symbolize the honest and sturdy countryman who would wear fabric made from English wools instead of the foreign silks worn by courtiers. Karen Seamstrix On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:08:22 -0800 (PST) Kahlara writes: > In my translation anyway it says... > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the > selvedges. > > Dyed I understand. > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. > > And does anyone know what halberjet is? > > These are the only definitions I got when I googled. > > Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. > Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. > Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the > length of the right arm of king Henry 1. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! 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Status: RO >> Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >> depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >> production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >> feel, http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html photos from 1935-1945 in color and black and white, searchable to some degree. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:23:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15INXHl012251 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:23:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15INP44031131; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:23:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IN7Ka004853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IN6nc092503; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IN2T4092447 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.42] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 870245253 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:22:59 -0600 Message-ID: <039301c62a81$37e218f0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060204171854.01dc2148@127.0.0.1><007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1><009f01c62a74$665be830$cc159b04@HELENPINTO> <038e01c62a7f$a9d1ccf0$2ad12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:23:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:23:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6429D.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html > > > photos from 1935-1945 in color and black and white, searchable to some > degree. I should have added some categories to look under so you don't get overwhelmed. The subject heading "laborers" shows men and women in depression era clothing. The subject heading "women--employment" shows many women in the war era working in factories. The subject heading "women" has many of the war era factory photos, plus many in other settings and time frames. It's a great web site to just cruise around. Nearly every aspect of living at the time is depicted in some form or another. 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Status: RO See if you can find the Time-Life books series of pictoral histories of the different decades. These books are full of pictures of people in all walks of life. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:33:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXfUf014089 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXXW3018767; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IXLsj007210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IXL2F001980; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15GbOco091696 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8NLPCAV8Y49A for (sender ); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGF769ED; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:36:04 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:59:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20060205.083549.1996.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:176756345 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgiQU1gby13wbqkLnLI2LuyQ= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] slate frames X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E644FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try contact Pastiche: . They're a wonderful costuming/needlework/books merchant located in Portland, OR. They have carried slate frames in the past. If this e-mail doesn't work, write me off-list and I'll send you their phone number. Arlys Cley@juno.com > I was hoping they would have a slate/peg frame for embroidery (the > old > fashion kind of embroidery frame, found in the UK, but not commonly > found > in the States). I've asked via email about one, and Lacis never > responded. > A friend asked them in person when he visited the store, and they > didn't > know what it was. I was surprised since I figured they, of all the > stores > I've known in California, would know what one was and would have one > in stock. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:33:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXZtY014068 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXSPL016410; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IWxAE007081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IWxJ0001567; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Ev3iq011442 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([71.197.44.2]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:53:56 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:57:03 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <004601c62a64$6cf1a5f0$6401a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcYqVm4jBJ73dQGfSRWfDygm6Uo+PQADY0Sw In-Reply-To: <001501c62a56$564ed9c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2006 14:53:56.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD5FF110:01C62A63] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E644F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was seeing the whole thing as Soldiers and Nobles vs. Scholars and craftsmen. (viz. Might makes right? Early class consciousness?) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image Here's a wild guess. The answer might be cued from the piece of paper in his hand. Since the rest of the people in the scene seem to be laborers, the man in the robe could be what we might now call a foreman of some sort. The part of the garment that has the effect of a yoke appears to me to be separate add-on. There seem to be no gather as we see in later images of the robes that became academic or judicial garb of honor. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image > Kimiko Small wrote: > > >> http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Matejko/1470guild.jpg > >> > > > > It looks to me to be a scholars gown, with black velvet perhaps for the > > upper body area, and maybe guards down the front. However, since the > > shadows are also in the same/similar darker pencil lines, I am not > > positive if that isn't just to represent shadows as well. > > > > > It's that upper part I'm concerned about. I don't see yokes in men's > clothing this early, and it's been suggested to me that this gown has a > yoke. Even as a re-drawing, I'm hesitant to say that's why the top part > is darker. I'm thinking it's just been colored badly. > > Unless someone knows of a real example of a yoked gown from the 1400's.... > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXw4p014151 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IXpQx031135; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IX977007167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IX6jc001714; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15GJWXX074972 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5555.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.85]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 543F826288A for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:19:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com><001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:19:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6450F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Not that it is my period, and i dont want to interfer your disgussion, but i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query > Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered Hoop Steel", I've > never tried it but it looks much like what is in original cage hoops, > don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted to try it for a > cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > Text from their website: > > Hoop Steel/Crin Steel/Tutu Steel > > "We have several weights of hoop steel and you will likely be able to > find one to suit your purpose. One style is "thread covered", it can > be bent but not easily, comes in 3 widths and two colours; the > narrowest is known as tutu steel as it is used in tutus for partner > work. The second type of steel is "plastic coated" and this comes in > varying widths and weights. Both require tin snips to cut." > > Greengerg and Hammer sells bons casing to fit 1/4" and 1/2 inch bones, > this could alaso be used to construct a cage hoop or bustle. And it's > cotton. I also use this for corset bone casings. > > http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/store.asp?ItemID=1340 > > Katy > > On 2/5/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in >> measuring >> tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the >> manufacturer. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:39 AM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query >> >> >> I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. >> >> I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were >> made >> from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >> (though if >> anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) >> >> Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and >> encased >> it >> in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the >> verticals, >> >> and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing >> and >> the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached >> it >> using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing >> (it >> was >> for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be >> dragged around a muddy field). >> >> Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many >> things >> on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that >> I >> never seem to find the time for :-( >> >> Debs >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 13:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ia3id014550 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:36:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15IZuFi004014; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15IZNji007647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15IZNKk003758; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15HLhcg033249 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78892 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:21:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205171831.01dd1720@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:21:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: <20060205170822.43638.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205170822.43638.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:35:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6458C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:08 05/02/2006, you wrote: >In my translation anyway it says... > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. > > Dyed I understand. > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. > > And does anyone know what halberjet is? > > These are the only definitions I got when I googled. > > Russet- a coarse, home-spun cloth much used by the peasantry. And for livery in Tudor times > Halberjet- probably a superior type of cloth. Sorry, this one passes me by. > Ell- a standard measure of length said to have been based on the > length of the right arm of king Henry 1. An ell is (AFAIK) a yard and a quarter, that is 45". (I think there is something in Shakespeare about it, possibly in "Comedy of Errors", but memory fades with my hair)! (2 ells = 90" - that's a very wide width of cloth?) > > Annette M > > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:04:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15J4Sjo019742 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15J4KgM014475; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:04:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15J3Qc4012001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15J3N61027264; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15J3GqK027158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:03:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15J3C1p017059 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com><001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:04:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E64C34.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my > red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you > could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops > for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:14:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JEH0E021678 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:14:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JE91W017971; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JDYRn013283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JDVT6035795; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15JDPHl035708 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62787 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 19:13:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:13:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query In-Reply-To: <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E64E81.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:03 05/02/2006, you wrote: > > i was thinking about the thin, narrow boning i used from Wissner for my > > red taffeta stays. This is only 4 mm. wide. Would that be something you > > could use for a crinoline cage? You would have to make many hoops > > for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. > > I think Wissner does make a product of a weight that is good for >hoops. It's thicker than the corset weight. > > -Carol The crinoline steel I use is like the stuff they sell at Farthingales, and is specifically made for hoops. The cotton covered sort, (we have three widths and I use the medium width) will take heavy petticoats and skirts and is flexible without collapsing, and does not de-form even when you pack it tightly in a suitcase (for using in lectures.) Maybe I've missed the point here, but if the covered steel is what was used, on some crinolines, originally, is there any reason to look for anything else? I have photos, as I am sure so do other people, of cotton covered crinolines in museums, which is why I use that. If you use bare steel, you cannot get the original 19th century connectors, unless you have them made specially, so it would be a problem to copy exactly anyway. Suzi (rather puzzled) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JRtrP024124 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15JRmPb022365; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JRRVS016096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JRPVn047780; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JRMq2047635 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA69A20E696 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:27:05 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hoop steel... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:27:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E651B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 7:57 AM -0700 2/5/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made >from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >(though if >anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > >Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased >it >in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, Hi We got some stuff that acted like the old caged hoop I have in an airplane/RC hobbiest shop. It was a short (3') length--but was spring steel. My DH needed to make a new spring for and old box camera. The stuff came in a variety of gauges. I bet you could get it in longer lengths from the mill. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 14:56:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ju7TF028285 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:56:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15Ju0mM031813; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15JsqcT020754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15Jsngu068401; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15JsknJ068337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k15JseA4003966 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:43 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> References: <209.11e05840.31163292@aol.com> <001501c62a21$d3550690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070602050615h4b49c802mb7cb9c59fabbd7be@mail.gmail.com> <002601c62a6f$faed9b10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <55639.64.156.242.51.1139166195.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060205190743.01dcb6a0@127.0.0.1> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65850.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Maybe I've missed the point here, but if the covered steel is what > was used, on some crinolines, originally, is there any reason to look > for anything else? It may be a matter of availability, depending on where someone lives, import taxes, etc. Also when the question was asked originally, perhaps the poster did not know the "real thing" is available. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K3w9t029802 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:03:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K3ph9001697; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K34ie021698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K34x3074362; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K2x9j074228 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:03:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.68]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060205200252.GSFH3660.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:02:52 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060205134839.02663880@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:02:47 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65A27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't been following this thread, but this sounds very similar to what is known as "fish tape" used by electricians to "fish" (pull) a wire through a conduit (tubing). These are rolls of spring wire (flat with rounded edges) that come in a case with reel in 5'0', 100' & 200' lengths. Lightweight 50' rolls available quite inexpensively from tool places like Harbor Freight. The heavier professional ones are more expensive. They occasionally break under the load than an electrician puts on them.. you might find a friendly electrician who'll give you one that has (how I got mine). Beth >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:00:19 -0800 >From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and > casings query >I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try using the steel in measuring >tapes? If it's the right kind, you could maybe get it from the manufacturer. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com >I'd do it the way Suzi suggests too. > >I've never managed to find the "watch spring" that the originals were made >from, and am no longer sure if it's made in large quantities any more >(though if >anybody knows otherwise, do let me know!) > >Though last time I used the narrowest flat steel I could find, and encased >it >in bone casing that I had, and ordinary cotton twill tape for the verticals, > >and I hand stitched the hoops in at the intersections, through the casing >and >the tape. I also made the flounce at the bottom separately and attached it >using buttons at regular intervals, so it could be removed for washing (it >was >for a wedding dress to later be used for re-enactment and so likely to be >dragged around a muddy field). > >Would like to do the 'uber-authenitc' type, but it's one of the many things >on my list that I want to make for fun (rather than for customers), that I >never seem to find the time for :-( > >Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:08:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K8jlb030612 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:08:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15K8cVR003206; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K85GB022582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K84c2078333; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K80Jn078232 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17912 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:38:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:38:13 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205171831.01dd1720@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:08:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65B46.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:08 05/02/2006, you wrote: > >In my translation anyway it says... > > > > Clause 35. Let there be one measure......, and one width of cloth > > whether dyed, russet or halberjet, namely two ells within the selvedges. > > > > Dyed I understand. > > > > Russet? Somehow I don't think this refers to red cloth. Russet, in this period, means an undyed cloth from black-sheep wool, so usually brown or grey. The color meaning came much later. I can dig out lengthy discussion of this from past posts if anyone needs it. I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it in my notes. > An ell is (AFAIK) a yard and a quarter, that is 45". (I think there > is something in Shakespeare about it, possibly in "Comedy of Errors", > but memory fades with my hair)! (2 ells = 90" - that's a very wide > width of cloth?) Ells vary from one time/place to another, and typically were less than a yard. Better minds than I have written copious amounts of information on ell lengths. In a paper I happen to have on my desk this moment about French textiles from the late 1200s, I see a reference that says 840 Flemish ells equals about 679 Champagne ells equals 640 modern yards -- so lots of variation here. The author cites her source as John Munro's article on "Textile Technology," in The Dictionary of the Middle Ages, ed. Joseph R. Strayer (New York: Scribner, 1988), vol. 11, p. 704. Munro has done a great deal with textile economics, and probably has quite a number of discussions of ells in various places and times. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 15:10:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15KAKWR030922 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:10:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15KACn0027840; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15K8cGu022667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K8cIw078783; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15K8Y5e078638 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.68]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060205200828.KDMO12342.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:08:28 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060205134919.02667020@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:08:23 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E65BA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. I'll give it a try. Beth At 08:57 AM 2/5/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:53:38 +0000 >From: Caroline >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles > >I know vol 4 was never published. If it is going to be published only Oslo >University would know. I recently got some unpublished text from Perth (I >still had to pay - and I cannot publish it) on medieval textiles excavated >in the 80's. > >The text for Osbergfundet 4 may also be available in this form. Write to >them and ask. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 16:22:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LMKCL003199 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LMCpT026873; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15LLabw037893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15LLUEr046380; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15LLRc4046242 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 59028 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 21:21:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VkXO8h4d7ukEeEtAFwTB8/54FklNPib07w9cD2aSi0I8+TzGUjAmUetNw1M5+Zk7m2Ro4UjUE78VsVbfYecuFHkl5f2tGKSQ7lVfalMUG/nt9TB32v6QfYgEQv1qza6O6rUtYmeb5srbd1gjUCq5H2AnT5Fpvms46/wF1bL3YI4= ; Message-ID: <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.157.124.14] by web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:21:21 EST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Carroll-Clark To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Archaeological citation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E66C84.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings-- I'm working on a group research project with several other folks, and we're trying to track down a more in-depth citation for some information. It's from the following book: Weinstein, Rosemary. "Tudor London." London: Museum of London, 1994 ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 The book says this find came from a swampy area in London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. The find consisted of: a leather ankle boot child's choe knitted woollen cap silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve to me) coarse woollen sleeve child's sock c. 1530-90 The book doesn't cite any publication info for the find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 16:26:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LQbHb003257 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:26:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15LQUp4028258; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:26:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15LO3TA038348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15LO2t8048736; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15LNx7S048678 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 10693 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2006 21:23:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OE4hnlk+E8vPGBpqNb3e88J+DaolAqKELENDrSH1OrPuiS3vyalXDwDbG+QJHeQlTxdLxh19njvkIlOv1uK3BRTnDFr29FQRsLL8Rc7d0SFS2DsU2Q+Fb0qq9NLhuYdl2WWzdDEn0EUJgpVe4W28MW/hQzXJ3DKw3SboxP3ktkg= ; Message-ID: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:23:58 GMT Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E66D86.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for all the help - Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Deb, I didn't see your reply before it was included in a message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job so I just need to check it will take the width of steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff used on this crinoline http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a friend who owns one first. Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures as close as they need to be to be sure. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo when it's done! Yours gratefully, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! 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Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, katherine sanders wrote: > Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I > can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a > message for me. Try checking recent messages at these sites: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 17:07:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15M7wFM003967 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15M7pwx010013; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15M7Mwb047177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15M7JJ7087222; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15M7Ebr087132 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 11112 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 22:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 22:07:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205220452.01dbf780@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:07:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and In-Reply-To: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:07:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E67737.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:23 05/02/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for all the help - > >Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that >crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going >for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, >there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps Katherine Talk to the people at the address I gave you - you will find they do different widths of crinoline steel, and strong twill tape. (E-mail me for my phone number and I can talk you through it if you want - I make hoops of all shapes and sizes all the time.) >Deb, >I didn't see your reply before it was included in a >message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I >think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I >found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job >so I just need to check it will take the width of >steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be >enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will >look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill >tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff >used on this crinoline >http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html > >The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too >wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing >when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it >near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables >are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a >friend who owns one first. > >Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' >looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm >happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures >as close as they need to be to be sure. >http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > >I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I >can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who >can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who >may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > >Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo >when it's done! > >Yours gratefully, >Katherine > > > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > >___________________________________________________________ >NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used >cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 17:23:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15MN3GB004455 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:23:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k15MMrZM014584; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15MGtDW048506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k15MGqis094900; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k15MGl4b094839 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71029 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 22:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 22:16:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060205220815.01dda088@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:15:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archaeological citation In-Reply-To: <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <55671.64.156.242.51.1139169284.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <20060205212121.59026.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:22:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E67ABD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:21 05/02/2006, you wrote: >Greetings-- > >I'm working on a group research project with several >other folks, and we're trying to track down a more >in-depth citation for some information. > >It's from the following book: >Weinstein, Rosemary. "Tudor London." London: Museum >of London, 1994 >ISBN: 0-11-290495-5 > >The book says this find came from a swampy area in >London--Moorfield, just north of the city wall. > >The find consisted of: >a leather ankle boot >child's choe >knitted woollen cap >silk smocking on a woollen cloth (looks like a sleeve >to me) >coarse woollen sleeve >child's sock >c. 1530-90 > >The book doesn't cite any publication info for the >find. Anyone got any ideas where we might find it? I suggest you contact the Museum itself Department of Early London History and Collections Museum of London 150 London Wall London. EC2Y 5HN Tel: 020 7814 5732 Fax: 020 7600 1058 www.museumoflondon.org.uk Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 19:01:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1601GVa006664 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:01:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16019OE013893; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1600YKl065402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1600SGX086334; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f31.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1600PGY086225 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c62a01$95446820$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear/Urinetown Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:00:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 00:00:20.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[5225D6A0:01C62AB0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:01:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E691C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What is this...the year for depression era Urinetown???We're doing the same sho for the final one of the season...we'll get the scetches next week! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1930's factory wear >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:09:30 -0800 > >Can anyone on the list point me to a source for period uniforms for the >depression era? Or perhaps even abroad in the 1930s. I am doing a >production of Urinetown, and we are going for a thirties depression era >feel, although the show is not actually set in any time period. (It's >actually the future, I believe). > >I did a few cursory net searches without much luck, but thought perhaps >someone already had some sourcing and could save me some time for my >inspiration. > >As always, thanks in advance. > >angela >+++++ >Angela F. Lazear >Cabbage Rose Costumes >www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >Theatrical Costume Design > >"Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: >be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, >and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: >be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." >W. Shakespeare > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 19:42:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k160gubC007495 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:42:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k160gnco027331; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k160gO65072647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k160gKWK020340; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k160gEBA020190 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB5F02C4; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:42:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 5 Feb 2006 19:42:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c62ab6$6ccc9880$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060205212358.10691.qmail@web25715.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:44:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:42:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E69B89.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is the kind of tape that I have used very successfully for making cage hoops. Good luck with your project. The tape sure beats having to make riders of other tape or thread overlays and the fact that it is uniform in its pockets gives a more professional construction that will stand the motion of the cage and the garments that will be supported. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and > Thanks for all the help - > > Suzi - thanks for the link to your site: that > crinoline is certainly the shape and style I am going > for and if you've not had any quibbles from museums, > there's no reason why I should from general M.o.t.Ps > > Deb, > I didn't see your reply before it was included in a > message so my digest is still skipping but yes, I > think I'll go with Suzi's suggestion initially. I > found some 'roman blind' tape which would do the job > so I just need to check it will take the width of > steel - I may order narrower steel so it can be > enclosed in a tape (at least that way the ends will > look neater). I found some rather coarse red twill > tape which looks like a narrow version of the stuff > used on this crinoline > http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/11182-popup.html > > The measuring tape steel is (over here in the UK) too > wide and does that weird and painful crinkling thing > when I try and measure stuff... not sure I want it > near my legs, drawers or not! I think the piano cables > are about the right size but I'll have to talk to a > friend who owns one first. > > Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' > looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm > happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures > as close as they need to be to be sure. > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I > can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who > can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who > may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > > Thanks again - I'll be sure to post a link to a photo > when it's done! > > Yours gratefully, > Katherine > > > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > NEW Yahoo! 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Status: RO --- Katy Bishop wrote: > Farthingale's has "crin steel" a "Thread Covered > Hoop Steel", I've > never tried it but it looks much like what is in > original cage hoops, > don't know about the weight/stiffness. I've wanted > to try it for a > cage hoop or bustle if my budget ever allows. > > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > -- > Katy Bishop You will certainly get good service if/when you do order from her, even with the border crossing to cause problems. She is also fascinated by what creations her clients come up with. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 5 23:24:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k164Odip010602 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:24:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k164OWSw000496; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k164MoOu005422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k164MoaN003596; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k162jjBs022467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k162jfU9023845 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:45:44 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:48:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:24:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6CF80.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. I went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of 100% wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is there a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work than simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and going from there? Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 01:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k166bpEf012288 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:37:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k166bi4t010689; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:37:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k166b8kg032862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k166b46m025241; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k166axh7025158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k166atu6018443 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:36:58 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pants Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:39:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060204104526.3898.qmail@web37213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:37:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E6EEB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Pants... You mean bloomers like they might have worn bicycling or underwear type pants? Wanda > -----Orig > > > Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? 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Status: RO <--- katherine sanders wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16CVj28016267 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:31:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16CVcdX029878; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16CU4Mv020134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16CTuAv038508; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:29:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16CTp08038437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 23838 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 04:29:51 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23815, pid: 23824, t: 1.8512s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1278 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 04:29:49 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:27:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:31:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E741AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to make the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than making it bigger. sorry about my speelling mistakes. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:25:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DPZtV017104 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:25:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DPS3D018123; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16DNPAH032939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DNNWv091477; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav15.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DNH3Y091249 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:23:12 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:23:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:23:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 13:23:12.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ACC6040:01C62B20] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:25:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E74E48.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you have a wool hat, it's incredibly easy to steam it to the shape you want! You need to find something that will be a good shape for a block, like a flower pot. Make sure it's a good size to match your head size. Remove all the addition hat stuff from inside the felt, like the hat band and such. Then using you kettle, steam the inside of the felt and then pull it down over the block. Keep trying until you get the desired shape. the felt will move around quite a bit! Have fun! Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat > I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. > I > went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of > 100% > wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is > there > a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? > > I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim > shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. > > Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work > than > simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and > going > from there? > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > Never attribute to malice what can as easily > be attributed to simple social ineptness > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:34:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DYWZR017322 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:34:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DYNMJ022148; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16DWDk6034337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DW9E8099817; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DW52P099751 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:32:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:32:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 13:32:05.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[B849FE90:01C62B21] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7505F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Very cool about the moths! my friend Griet would love to have had that happen to her clothing! I could see a mixture of repair styles done, as long as then were done cleanly, to the best of you ability. Mended clothes were a good think, as they were so expensive in the first place, not at all like today. Even just a few decades ago, a little thing like a hole in your tuxedo jacket went to the menders to be darned or rewoven. They would take a piece of matching cloth and fray the four edges so that you had a solid piece in the centre that was the size of the hole, and frayed thread ends to weave back into the cloth. Therese de Dillmont's book on hand work shows great examples of how to do this kind of mending. I can't exactly remember the title of the book, and it's at home...sorry. BTW, can I send you a riding habit to hang out in your attic for a while???;-> Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques > Hello, > I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 > midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a > fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts > all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be > remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the > kit is no problem but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and > patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also > scraps of the cloth for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? > I'm hoping to make the repairs part of the costume part of my > presentation. My character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the > Bishop, well repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully > recieved. > Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real > clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than > making it bigger. > sorry about my speelling mistakes. > > regards > Joy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 08:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DobUu017677 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16DoUXC028911; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Do0bA036186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DnxNM014831; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16DntXB014692 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:49:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3FC02F4; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:49:48 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 6 Feb 2006 08:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c62b24$741ccf60$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:51:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E75426.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would lean toward mending and leave patches for tears. If you are 'respectable', I think you would not advertise that you are also dirt poor. Somehow, I think illustrators of children's books have contributed to our concepts of how people of the past dealt with worn clothing. I find mending to be the proper way and patches, a quick fix. It is akin to using safteypins in place of lost buttons. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques > Hello, > I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 midwives > clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover a fair bit of > moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated skirts all wool lined > with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's mikmaid has to be remade anyway as > I've dropped from english size 20 to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem > but how should I repair the moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely > woolen yarn in a matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth > for patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to make > the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My character is a > respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well repected etc etc but not > hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. > Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real > clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier than > making it bigger. > sorry about my speelling mistakes. > > regards > Joy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:08:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E8YFl017996 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:08:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E8RNB004667; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16E1jAR037728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E1idv025977; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16E1fll025931 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 17513 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 06:01:40 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17443, pid: 17508, t: 0.7769s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 06:01:39 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20060206055629.02250838@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:00:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques In-Reply-To: <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> References: <200602051457.k15EvAeY011531@net.indra.com> <003401c62b19$08f9c040$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7585B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:27 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >I would be very gratefull for advice as to how to sort out my 1670 >midwives clothing which I've just retrieved from storage to discover >a fair bit of moth damage. The whole set, boddice, and two pleated >skirts all wool lined with linen ,the design based on Vermeer's >mikmaid has to be remade anyway as I've dropped from english size 20 >to a 10. Re-making the kit is no problem but how should I repair the >moth holes? I can darn and patch.I have lovely woolen yarn in a >matching colour for darning and also scraps of the cloth for >patching. Should I use a mix of darns and patches? I'm hoping to >make the repairs part of the costume part of my presentation. My >character is a respectable midwife, licesnsed by the Bishop, well >repected etc etc but not hugely wealthy.Any ideas gratefully recieved. >Not downhearted about this as the kit is beggining to look like real >clothing as oppossed to a costume, and making kit smaller is easier >than making it bigger. >sorry about my speelling mistakes. > >regards >Joy I would recommend that any holes above 1/2-inch or so should be patched. Anything smaller could be darned fairly easily. And it goes without saying that you would make the repairs as unobtrusive as possible (which will be much easier than patching a cotton print dress since there is no matching of patterns to worry about, just matching the grain). Congratulations on your weight loss. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:09:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E9mlK018006 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:09:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16E9f0n019638; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16E9AQP038564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E98I0033460; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [194.63.250.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16E9368033297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k16E8w8U030977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) with ESMTP id k16E8wPA030974 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:08:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:09:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E758A5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, > on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it > in my notes. Yes, I have one post saved from 2004. I couldn't find anything in any of the archives when searching for the word, but with the poster info I found it: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=hcos04&s=agnes%20gawne&Cmd=Match+6 I'm not sure if there was anything else in that discussion, but with the date as a starting point it should be possible to find out. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 09:49:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16EnCWn018758 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:49:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16En5PV019988; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16EmQAs043149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16EmNuf072100; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16EmK8J072029 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27502 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:18:40 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:18:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id k16EmK8J072029 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:49:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E761E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, [iso-8859-1] Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I have a distant memory of a discussion of "hauberject" or a similar word, > > on this list, years ago, and remember nothing of value and cannot find it > > in my notes. > > Yes, I have one post saved from 2004. I couldn't find anything in any of > the archives when searching for the word, but with the poster info I > found it: > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=hcos04&s=agnes%20gawne&Cmd=Match+6 > > I'm not sure if there was anything else in that discussion, but with the > date as a starting point it should be possible to find out. :) Yes indeed -- there are 15 posts with the subject line "Definition of HABERJECT" (though the first three appear to be unintentional repeats). You can find them starting with this search: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?FirstItem=0&s=Definition+of+HABERJECT&l=hcos04 Or just go to the main search form and put in that subject line or the word HABERJECT, and the year 2004: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ All the hits will lead you to the same compilation file of one month's of posts, so you'll find the entire thread included here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos04/hcos03.cl The thread starts March 16. It's worth reading the whole thing, as I think the Spanish translation is a blind alley. That was exactly the right clue, Ingrid! And I did remember a mixup with that term and "habergeon." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 10:47:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16FlGgp019869 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:47:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Fl8HE010696; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Fi9xT050145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Fi0W4028360; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Fhs5F028267 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 923CF2628BF for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:44:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E76F7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study 18th century embroideries. I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 kinds of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. Has any of you noticed this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 10:52:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16FqCPa019963 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:52:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Fq5b0012811; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16FmU0n050815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16FmQYr033091; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16FmMhJ033014 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 75D55A502AE for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:52:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E770A5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 days? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:13:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GDrYN020369 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GDkZT023581; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:13:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GCupJ055575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GCgK8060525; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16GCOCt060114 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8Q7LWAPVTGHS for (sender ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGJQ7V6Y; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:12:00 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:11:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Message-ID: <20060206.101126.-1019877.1.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-37 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 13:6:197705676 X-MAIL-INFO: 1c38718838c9c86159c188c1e8e83c8505b9858969b92831181cd87ca8bc8c11956cf548d159b5a9c9381c087921796d01296d010c8d010cc81cc11509415d0d15e9e8e15d78e958d5a1e9b1192508b9087dbd0c4501088d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76I2LOZbqvYpdpl2548sO12nSgiVjofkNA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E775BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know how fast he can get things to Europe, but I have dealt with them by US mail and in person for many years. They carry good quality products and the management is extremely involved. I know they will make every effort to get your order to you as quickly as possible. Karen Seamstrix On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from > him, Jas > Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in > cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:14:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GEnC7020383 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GEgat024425; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GDIZI055629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GD2uI060950; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GCmPJ060644 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F68yt-0005bQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <25709050.1139242367017.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:12:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:14:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E775F2.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Bjarne. I'm not in Europe, but I've ordered from Jas Townsend in the past, particularly stockings and hat blanks. I ordered by telephone and found the company very helpful and accommodating. I also had a short deadline for the stockings etc., and they made my deadline easily. You'd probably have to pay extra shipping costs, but if they say they can meet your deadline I believe they will. You should phone them if possible, though, so you can talk to a person and discuss your needs. Of course I can't say if my experience is typical, but I can attest to their excellent service in that one experience. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Feb 6, 2006 10:48 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > >Hi, >Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas >Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. >Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 >days? > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:32:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GWv1k020670 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:32:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GWncK000617; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:32:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GVhD0059154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GVYI3082252; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GVEH0081987 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CC5547FEB1 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:31:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c62b3a$c91434c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <25709050.1139242367017.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77A31.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Ruth and Anne, Thanks. Well yes, they promise to send quicly, ill pay 12 dollars for the posting, and then i could get it soon. I needed stockings, and i found some other goodies two. Thanks, and forgive me that i used the bandwidth for this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend > Hi, Bjarne. I'm not in Europe, but I've ordered from Jas Townsend in the > past, particularly stockings and hat blanks. I ordered by telephone and > found the company very helpful and accommodating. I also had a short > deadline for the stockings etc., and they made my deadline easily. You'd > probably have to pay extra shipping costs, but if they say they can meet > your deadline I believe they will. You should phone them if possible, > though, so you can talk to a person and discuss your needs. > > Of course I can't say if my experience is typical, but I can attest to > their excellent service in that one experience. > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >>Sent: Feb 6, 2006 10:48 AM >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend >> >>Hi, >>Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, >>Jas >>Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. >>Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 >>days? >> >>Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GaBS5020723 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Ga4f4006275; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GYpfD059748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GYoK3085986; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16GYjGY085868 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 18308 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 16:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 16:34:43 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163110.01d5f708@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:34:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises In-Reply-To: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77AF4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:44 06/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi again, >This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study >18th century embroideries. >I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 kinds >of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the >motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered >with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly >worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. >Has any of you noticed this? > >Bjarne My waistcoat fragment, from about 1780, is embroidered with what I think is tambour stitching with a twisted thread, in pink and green mainly. If you go to my fotopic site http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c382113.html it forms the background for my fashion plates, and you can see it in some detail. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:40:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GeSo1020814 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:40:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GeLbD004308; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:40:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GdgWa060791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GdZH0091351; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k16Gcv4P090533 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 79516 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 16:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 16:38:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:38:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77BF5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne You could try Funn Stockings here in England. http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 11:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GrM7P021084 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:53:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16GrEte010944; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GqX00063267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GqGXf005906; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav23.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16GpttL005594 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:50:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:50:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:50:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 16:50:33.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[72685F40:01C62B3D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E77EFA.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I might have a difficult time getting them here to Canada that fast. I would call them, or drop them a note to see if they could ship via a faster method. Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, > Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 12:07:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16H7Dmm021288 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:07:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16H76PN018687; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16H0uPU065128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16H0o0a015157; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16H0UBA014741 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.288.5328d1f (16335) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <288.5328d1f.3118da9d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:00:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and casings query To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:07:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7823A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/5/2006 1:33:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: You would have to make many hoops for this, but it surely would give it flexibility. The best "looking" and best moving hoop skirts are the cage ones [as opposed to a "petticoat" ones] with lots of hoops. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 13:01:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16I1aw0022226 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:01:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16I1SRJ013919; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:01:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16Hx0OV075412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16HXqbB054357; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16HXL5u053717 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.124]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060206173311.NNYM8731.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:33:11 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060206102422.02628b20@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:58 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Magna Carta Clause 35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:01:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E78EF8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A quick search turned up an essay "A Scandinavian Hauberget?" by M. Nockert in: Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe: Essays in Memory of Professor E. M. Carus-Wilson, eds N.B. Harte and K.G. Ponting, 1983, Heinemann Educational Books Ltd, London. ISBN 0-435-32382-2. pp 100-107. In this she, describes it as a diamond (lozenge) 2/2 twill originally woven on warp-weighted looms... and references Carus-Wilson "Haberget: A medieval textile conundrum" originally published in Medieval Archaeology, but I cannot remember which book of mine reprints this. I remember the issue (and the related issue "pallia fresonica") discussed in other sources but they do not come to mind. If memory serves, this term was later applied to a coarse woolen twill used by poorer people and monks. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:20:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LKcsL025984 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LKU0Q017085; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LJXgt010236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LJQH9012295; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16JcXrc000260 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f559c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.156]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B43347FE47 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:38:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002101c62b54$f1344660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c62b34$2d016e00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163110.01d5f708@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:38:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:20:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BD9E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes i did know this, also because when you have to catch the thread with the needle, it has to be a strong thread, you can se the same in Costume in Detail. I should have ben more specific, i ment those embroidered with long and short stitch and satin stitches. Many of these has a stripe in the border of the front wich is not a tape, but actually embroidered and i have noticed that this stripe is made with twisted threads, while all the other embroidery is made of untwisted thread. Some coats and waistcoats also has a "stripe" embroidered in a sertain pattern and these also are made from twisted threads. You see the same in buttons, usually many of these is having a stripe embroidered in the edge, a cirkle wich also has twisted thread, but the main motif in the middle of the button is made of untwisted thread. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery threads on habits francaises > At 15:44 06/02/2006, you wrote: > >>Hi again, >>This is just a question i have for some of the members who makes or study >>18th century embroideries. >>I have noticed that most of the french habits, are embroidered with 2 >>kinds >>of silk thread. The monofillament silk (reeled untwisted silk) for the >>motifs, and then that the stripes wich are made as borders are embroidered >>with a twisted silk. This makes sence to me, as the borders will be mostly >>worned out, and therefore have to be made with a stronger thread. >>Has any of you noticed this? >> >>Bjarne > > > My waistcoat fragment, from about 1780, is embroidered with what I think > is tambour stitching with a twisted thread, in pink and green mainly. If > you go to my fotopic site http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c382113.html > it forms the background for my fashion plates, and you can see it in some > detail. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:22:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LM5Ja026007 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LLwkc009939; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:22:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LLcZb010565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LLbXQ014792; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16KZvhe061643 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.111.5b2ca317 (48576) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <111.5b2ca317.31190d21@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:35:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lecture at the Riversdale House Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:22:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BDF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass Riversdale _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LOVu3026053 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:24:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LOOht018993; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:24:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LNnGJ010913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LNmPx017513; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LNhxq017299 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a8.47d6fb72 (16087) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed743e7be4c7e; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97AB2CB047E-1738-A09F@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602061544.k16FiUSB028916@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:23:24 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602061544.k16FiUSB028916@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:mending techniques X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BE88.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Complete Encyclopedia of Needlework by Therese de Dillmont http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0762413182/sr=1-1/qid=1139260769/ref=sr_1_1/103-0624918-7671817?%5Fencoding=UTF8 http://tinyurl.com/8hthw I just read the chapter on mending the other day! My completely unexpert opinion is that you would probably want to mend anything smaller than an inch or so and patch anything larger than that. Tea Rose ================================ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:32:04 -0400 From: "kelly grant" Subject: Re: [h-cost] mending techniques To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Very cool about the moths! my friend Griet would love to have had that happen to her clothing! I could see a mixture of repair styles done, as long as then were done cleanly, to the best of you ability. Mended clothes were a good think, as they were so expensive in the first place, not at all like today. Even just a few decades ago, a little thing like a hole in your tuxedo jacket went to the menders to be darned or rewoven. They would take a piece of matching cloth and fray the four edges so that you had a solid piece in the centre that was the size of the hole, and frayed thread ends to weave back into the cloth. Therese de Dillmont's book on hand work shows great examples of how to do this kind of mending. I can't exactly remember the title of the book, and it's at home...sorry. BTW, can I send you a riding habit to hang out in your attic for a while???;-> Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] mending techniques _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:28:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LSVEE026116 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:28:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LSO8H020831; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LS0bd011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LRtHV022066; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LRpi1021887 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.279.45db66e (16112) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef043e7bf4d3bb; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97B4C0424EE-1738-A102@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602062118.k16LI7EP010734@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:27:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602062118.k16LI7EP010734@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: about jas townsend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7BF78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, Your Christmas present seemed to take about ten days to get from here to there, but that was regular first-class U.S. Mail. You could probably pay extra and have them ship it some other way. Tea Rose ================================================= Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend To: Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 days? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 16:33:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LXXSl026216 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:33:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16LXQ6h023168; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16LX8Ax012185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LX5BU028112; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16LX2nc027936 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 14:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.21e.7957d71 (16111) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-R13 (fwm-r13.webmail.aol.com [152.163.211.141]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef43e7c0861d; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7F97C061B2B9A-1738-A16C@FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-R13.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:32:54 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602050310.k1539lFO051819@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.141 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: tricorn decoration (was another question) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:33:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7C0A6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, could you put a cockade over the ends of your bobbin lace? http://www.jastown.com/hats/th-905a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade Tea Rose ================================================================ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] another question, To: Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold gimp i could use. Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to make a looped lace flower? Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 18:50:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16NoiJ3028832 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:50:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k16Nobkf016124; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16No0UD037042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16NnsAa083920; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k16Nnot0083856 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so1472354wri for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:49:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qrQl1JE46V1YipGUQY9eHg9rh/qfRTQtE5w7ia5Hm+OVuK2AtCtSa1YRvrQUiuEpIq6GH2UU/xkqKM0MvvTFosuXmikQszqy1iijsSW/I9C2joqtLp34SlTlFflLs6/5UV0hG+AlgTzeBcS9gQ9XlqxlvIBcvkXd7DCyvWVJC5U= Received: by 10.64.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr165448qbb; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:49:49 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k16Nnot0083856 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E7E0CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cynthia V & other h-costumers: Thought you might enjoy this pic forwarded to me from a friend. It's very much like the "Fram Air Filter" hat seen in a Rogier van der Weyden's Madelena seen here: http://pintoresfamosos.juegofanatico.cl/images/van_der_weyden/magdalena.jpg Like the original sender, If find it amusing to compare the Madelena & the local mayorial candidates politicians. PS. for non-US folks, the "Fram" reference is to a car part formerly made in the US. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Hi guys... I know I've had a discussion about a weird period hat with some people, but I'm not sure which of you I've discussed it with (maybe someone else...). In any case, I thought you both might be interested. ... In today's Mercury News, there's a photo of two guys sucking up to the Vietnamese vote in San Jose, and they're wearing "traditional Vietnamese garb" -- including hats that look a _lot_ like the one I was mentioning above. They're out of some kind of brocade rather than the linen that the 15th c. one looks like it's made of, but... Here's a url for the story; the picture is part way down on the left side: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/elections/13802934. htm It just seemed to me that if one found out how the Vietnamese hats were done it might offer some ideas for the 15th c. ones, too. Hope this is of some use... If anyone knows an address for Cynthia du Pres Argent, she might be interested too. --Matt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 21:39:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172d8Vo031498 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:39:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172d1s8016507; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172cOI0073438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172cGLg052815; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172cChJ052708 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.2b5.41da285 (4560) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5.41da285.3119620a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:38:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Cage crinolines: wire/steel hoops and To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E80845.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry - completely forgot about farthingales (duh moment) (again) have used them in the past and were v good. for anyone in the UK, this is one of my suppliers for corsetry stuff (can order online, which I prefer) http://www.venacavadesign.co.uk/ Debbie In a message dated 2/6/06 3:46:26 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Thanks for the Farthingales link - their 'tutu steel' > >looks very like what I think the originals were - I'm > >happy to be proved wrong but I can't find any pictures > >as close as they need to be to be sure. > >http://www.farthingales.on.ca/hoopsteel.php > > > >I'll check out their overseas ordering policy if I > >can't find a ballet wholesale supplier over here who > >can help. We've got a ballet company in Glasgow who > >may give me a name, if I ask really nice :-) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 6 21:42:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172gCwv031546 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:42:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k172g5iZ017771; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172fZD4073730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172fYku055640; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172fV0e055486 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.26e.552e87d (4560) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <26e.552e87d.311962cf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:41:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] about jas townsend To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:42:08 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E808FD.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Am in Europe (UK) and we've used them before - not for a few years, and we weren't in any hige hurry at the time, but they were very helpful (my boyfriend ordered by phone). This may be too late, but I'd suggest phoning them to make sure they know you're in a hurry, and that way, they can tell you whether they can get them to you in time. Debs In a message dated 2/6/06 9:20:15 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:35 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] about jas townsend > To: > Message-ID: <002001c62b34$ccd20ed0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > Sorry about this but i wondered if any europeans have ordered from him, Jas > Townsend. How fast does he ship to Europe. > Do you think i could order some stockings and have them here in cirka 14 > days? > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 09:37:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17EbS09008852 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17EbLBi009215; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17EaROT076195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17EaLPi096658; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17EaHsn096584 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 90301 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 14:36:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TQ++SuGBqLSiuyaVPjCVR+PtvjVvdH6s90mASevQSJDQs/BOWqAhX9mUwmZVKZydpdWOSjaWyP5QHVPKcyxbJC1KYJdtMQewGRhW3Z681ACcFZmB3wOkKq8MB0rffMCZES7DhWneaYUT/wbFBjMSLAHAxqTL9wFiBI6pLim1AJ0= ; Message-ID: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:36:16 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:36:16 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8B0A1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all I just discovered this http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of some of your creations there, so I thought it might be interesting to you too. HTH Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:16:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FG9GO010175 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:16:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FG2Ld030723; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FFI3n094450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FFFhn037275; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17FF9tK037166 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 59686 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 15:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 15:15:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:13:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:16:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8B9B2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can share? I have checked out Ninya Mikhaila's great reproduction gloves, and found some by searching for "Glove Museum" and "Gloves in Museums", and also a great site by Francesca Havas. http://www.glove.org/ However, I am always looking for more research before starting a new job, so any help will be appreciated. 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Status: RO Thank you! I am glad you found my site. :) The gloves on the Worshipful glovers guild pages that are for James the 1st are the ones you want to look for. There are also a pair of Danish gloves that the link at the moment escapes me. I am currently in training here on Wall Street (the subway ride was so very cool!) and do not have access to my personal computer. It is back at the hotel. I think the link is there on that computer and will try to find it. The Danish pair are fabulous! I will find the link for you somehow. For now do a search for King James I gloves and that should pull up a lot of really beautiful glove images for you. I really want to make a few of those. They would be for non-sca purposes so no one would really ever see them. :( Chiara Francesca glove maker :) On Tue, February 7, 2006 9:13 am, Suzi Clarke said: > > Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can > share? I have checked out Ninya Mikhaila's great reproduction > gloves, > and found some by searching for "Glove Museum" and "Gloves in > Museums", and also a great site by Francesca Havas. > http://www.glove.org/ > > However, I am always looking for more research before starting a new > job, so any help will be appreciated. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FjRkJ011599 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:45:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FjLBw012951; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FiaNr001770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FiWvA067467; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FiRoi067286 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB446E49 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513C9413 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:44:21 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B07514EEA@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 Thread-Index: AcYr9XvnI0JKzdR5Qa69OHnn0JMvTQAB2HOg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 15:44:21.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF1F980:01C62BFD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k17FiRoi067286 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:45:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C091.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when > I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of > fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they > fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does > anyone know any web page or book or simply anything that > could help me? What period? I know one of my vintage 19cent petticoats is fastened with both a draw string and a button. The other two Victorian petticoats I have are fastened only with a draw string. I don't know of a general source that deals with the history of fastenings, but I wish/hope there is one... -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 10:54:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FsU3G012893 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:54:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17FsNul017744; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FrmYd004113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Frirb077647; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k172XFvR048376 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:33:17 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYrPt4NahBvolhDRQSvaw2nyUdUGwASdWYg Message-Id: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:54:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C2B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are local we could pop in while I am there. Anne You could try Funn Stockings here in England. http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html Suzi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:01:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G1OS5014276 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:01:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G1HTJ021333; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:01:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FxLTF006355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FxG4e084061; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k176oAUO097497 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E71B36046 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] mending techniques Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:50:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060206055629.02250838@surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:01:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C44D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have seen my Grandmother darn holes that were 1 1/2" and once 2" but usually it was easier for her to match thread then to match a patch to the garment fabric, especially if it was a store bought garment. Just a little trivia. De -----Original Message----- I would recommend that any holes above 1/2-inch or so should be patched. Anything smaller could be darned fairly easily. And it goes without saying that you would make the repairs as unobtrusive as possible (which will be much easier than patching a cotton print dress since there is no matching of patterns to worry about, just matching the grain). Congratulations on your weight loss. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:03:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G3t2p014790 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:03:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G3m18022601; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:03:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G3Hjm007451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G3Cga088490; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17AqiJp099755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k17AlHFr021260 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:47:17 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:47:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E87BFA.90101@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:52:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C4E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cin wrote: > wearing "traditional Vietnamese garb" -- including hats that look a > _lot_ like the one I was mentioning above. They're > out of some kind of brocade rather than the linen that the 15th c. one > looks like it's made of, but... Here's a url for the story; the > picture is part way down on the left side: > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/elections/13802934. > htm Hey, that's great! I'd seen a hat not unlike this in a Smithsonian exhibit years ago -- it was brightly colored and black webbing (like an inkle loom band) wound around the head just like this. I vaguely recall it was Peruvian, but I could easily be mistaken. One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible in only a few reproductions. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent US postage with medieval images on it: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/1160846 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:04:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G4JjI014875 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:04:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G4Crx028221; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:04:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G3hMG007547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G3eXc089006; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17BEBuQ018383 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56837 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 11:14:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hp6wfD64qqKnfgEl/YUKKYkfbasFBPfnPZEhPXvtpN97w0i6FVyBVASQMVAAmqj7eyHPPeoacIRYnlqBXb8zMsyOoxpp4ofmghloHGYaDmRp0TKixc/HLqeiP85bX23GYJyOahINVOeYASiS7rNTdhTK9Hl8Dw+0XdvFAQkxQ7M= ; Message-ID: <20060207111406.56835.qmail@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:14:06 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] pants To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:04:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C4FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some with a below-knee length, but these eould be too long for me) Zuzana Wanda Pease wrote: Pants... You mean bloomers like they might have worn bicycling or underwear type pants? Wanda > -----Orig > > > Does anybody have a pattern for 19th century women's pants? Thanks > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:06:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G6RvV015296 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G6KPt023829; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G4BHp007646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G45C5089447; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17BLKtm024938 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54479 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 11:21:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YoNvR+tjBqHL/qFppfqJ8qUQgLp1wRFuTTO5bLmuh33+eJMvZ23Vjwvg1fP9C7AbcEPRBp8MuS2GejTUI+yaNyZEmg/J9DKAMb5banttV74cMQQ7BLtPwtmv9VDurhj68WdXYqS4ia77QWG/LWDhe805DmnpBy++mmQLRTQKqVg= ; Message-ID: <20060207112115.54477.qmail@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:21:15 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] period fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:06:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C57C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book or simply anything that could help me? Thanks a lot Zuzana --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Status: RO Hi, Well yes this was probably a good idea. Thanks for the idea. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: tricorn decoration (was another question) > Bjarne, could you put a cockade over the ends of your bobbin lace? > > http://www.jastown.com/hats/th-905a.htm > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade > > > Tea Rose > ================================================================ > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] another question, > To: > Message-ID: <001d01c629c4$171e7a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry i keep you buisy. but i was thinking also about making the trimming > for a tricorne. Make it in gold bobbin lace. I have some lovely thick gold > gimp i could use. > Does any of you have any good ideas i could do with the ends of the bobbin > lace. I cant sew away all the threads so i get an invisible joint. What > could i place at the joint to hide it? A button? Would it be two much to > make a looped lace flower? > Any idears would be greatfull apreciated! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G7ioD015475 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:07:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17G7cev015170; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:07:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G7Mvb008267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G7LqX093410; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17EhbQc004099 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 33755 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 14:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 14:43:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207144111.01dbd8d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:41:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images In-Reply-To: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:07:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C5CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:36 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Hi all >I just discovered this > >http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html > >on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of >selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall >shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! > >Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of >some of your creations there, so I thought it might be >interesting to you too. > >HTH > >Katherine > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright Great site - thanks Katherine! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GDUY0016566 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GDN1q027640; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17G847U008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17G7wZs094157; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17FI5i8040377 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24711.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.17]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 47B2547FEBD for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:18:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c62bf9$c124bfe0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:18:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C723.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Katherine, Yes i discovered this yesterday, and it is lovely to see the costumes all way round. I also discovered that my computer suddently is able to se the french website that uses flash. It must be because the computer has updated itself! You do get some surprises some times........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images > Hi all > I just discovered this > > http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/round/index.html > > on the V&A website: you basically get a 360 view of > selected outfits and a wonderful idea of the overall > shape and depth of the silhouettes. Hope you enjoy! > > Bjarne - there is very nice suit that reminded me of > some of your creations there, so I thought it might be > interesting to you too. > > HTH > > Katherine > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! 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Status: RO At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm > making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening > shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book > or simply anything that could help me? > > Thanks a lot > > Zuzana You need to be more specific. What time period are you asking about? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:19:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GJfvw017791 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:19:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GJYx4030741; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17GICc6010184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GGZmk004378; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GGLpR004034 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08143 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] the "Fram Oil Filter" hat & politics In-Reply-To: <43E87BFA.90101@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8C896.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on > it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible > in only a few reproductions. It's much clearer in person, but it's in Hebrew, so I couldn't read it. (It's always possible that it was just Hebrew characters and not actual words, too.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 11:36:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Gafr9020721 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17GaZVa008166; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Ga3Pr013748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17GZtsn027726; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17GZgOO027542 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22923 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 16:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 16:35:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207163154.01dc0dc0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:32:54 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century In-Reply-To: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060206163736.01d79b10@127.0.0.1> <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8CC93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are local >we could pop in while I am there. Anne > > >You could try Funn Stockings here in England. > >http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html > >Suzi No sorry - they're in Sussex - a bit far for a bus journey. They don't do a catalogue online as far as I know, but I have a paper list they sent me somewhere. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO did you try going to http://images.vam.ac.uk and searching for gloves? That's the V&A image site Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:48:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HmWRD001187 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HmPnL017350; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Hln8A027054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HklvH003243; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HkU1e002780 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.13e.241f450c (58550) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:46:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:57:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Hvb3I001965 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:57:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HvU9J022354; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:57:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17HuilM028428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Hubuu012566; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HuWox012481 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t16so925798wxc for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hCnXf7MxK72+XD+Fzo28cG+l4cdXLwfrTzqjPe+9m9Y6paRkXhRr58/WUL6DnN1C0Dpj84AgxUQwVLGpzGf6q7DSpeozSswmajc/M4SvpvuYP2Er7pC57jZYCOlsc7+onlvaVFcWTAsBHgxjYd6ng9hL+SPgBcerxkc7ZY1GOEM= Received: by 10.70.19.6 with SMTP id 6mr7881998wxs; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.14 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:56:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:32 -0500 From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c stays In-Reply-To: <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8DF8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17Hvb3I001965 Status: RO Mia, Thank you for the deep breath! I think I'll start with the plastic wire ties, since I was able to get them at Home Depot a few minutes away from my office. That should get me started, and then we'll see where I go from there. I'm really doing this for my own pleasure. I don't have any friends who are into re-enacting or costuming... so I'm a bit of an oddity within my circle of friends. I'm a bit of an oddity anyway :) I finally got the skirt sewn onto the bodice over the weekend. Now I'm working on sewing hooks and eyes to the bodice. I've decided that this is my learning gown... I'm getting it done so that I can figure out what's wrong with it. I can already see that the sleeves are not nearly tight enough... and I gather that there generally weren't side seams in the bodice, but that they were a bit further back, behind the arm. I haven't sewn much of anything in such a long time, that I'm really enjoying myself! I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Kristin On 2/2/06, Mia Dappert wrote: > > Hey Kristin, > > First, take a deep breath, Then decide what direction you want, or even > think you might want to go in. This will help you make your boning and > pattern decisions. > > Just for the pleasure of doing it? Only wearing it once a year, indoors > in air conditioning? Don't need much support? Plastic boning is probably > OK, > Wearing it all day, all weekend at a reenactment? Working and bending in > it doing laundry at a museum site? A little more bosom to support? All > your friends are hyper authenic? Different choices. > > I saw you are in PA. Where? Some of the 18 cent reenactor folks run > workshops in that NY/PA/MD area. Being in NC, I'm too far away to take > advantage of them, but they might fit your ticket. > > Your e-friend MIa in Far off Charlotte, NC > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 12:58:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HwaU0001983 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:58:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17HwTGa019618; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17HlnIw027055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17HkTGU002900; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17Hk6JB002445 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58976 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 17:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 17:46:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207174329.01dc04f8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:43:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 17:32 07/02/2006, you wrote: >did you try going to >http://images.vam.ac.uk >and searching for gloves? That's the V&A image site I'd been to a different part of the V and A web site. Thanks for this. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 13:38:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17IcGJ3002850 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:38:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Ic7hc010397; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Ias9W034200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IaBfB047528; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IZwbv047209 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE84DA225C for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:35:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E8E8B4.8080009@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:36:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can > share? The Boston MFA has quite a few in their collection, with nice pictures on their website. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 14:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17JXA4q004049 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:33:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17JX3SG004786; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17JWNij043521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17JWIWX000891; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JWEZh000734 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91135 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zTBvIOTUNGJUwQvSCVX48yrQz2+wk07apiIukJ4o4/8AJcRDNrkmC71PcnmCd7k+J5bFv76AndkDceIOYu5Fjm2o6qe5Y6U45VGqo/FpwBt3gI+dXznl0Ko+/YTWBiGS9eJw6T8p7EjVbYcrP4LYLl7YGE7vnfa3KDvpscrpCz8= ; Message-ID: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:32:09 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060207081202.0230d6e0@surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E8F5EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm > making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening > shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book > or simply anything that could help me? > > Thanks a lot > > Zuzana You need to be more specific. What time period are you asking about? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 15:44:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Ki1tQ006650 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:44:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17KhsVn009412; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17KeqXw057955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17IUJI5042488; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17ITxd9042158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k17ITppA025950 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57899.64.156.242.51.1139336994.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602011400.k11E0GaM009498@net.indra.com> <20060202141527.15362.qmail@web30113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33a78bfb0602070956v1b2c476aic428b74270ffd19a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:18c stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:43:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9068A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm in the Philadelphia area (just outside the city limits). Wow, you are right in the thick of a lot of resources! Beth Rump, I think she's with the Chadds Ford museum, sponsored a workshop. Deb Peterson of Past Masters has run stays workshops. Last year there was a "ladies only" event at Brandywine, and I think they will do it again this year. All the details can be found in the archives of 18cWoman, which is a Yahoo group. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:02:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L2sxN007017 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L2lfK019747; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L1rpc061741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L1cgm093241; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L0gDl092148 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA6D01C4; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:00:29 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:02:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:02:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90AF7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up later.. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types > of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:06:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6WlA007094 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6PQV021788; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L68H6062408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L66ik097733; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17JtIaa024185 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2477c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.124]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 531DB262881 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:55:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c62c20$6f994890$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207023317.VXGI14821.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:55:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:06:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90BD1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, i did actually email them, and they answered me allready today. They told me that their silk stockings in white are sheer, so i would not want those. But their cotton stockings are used by many reenactors, they told me. I also could do as Kensington Pallace' exhibition about court costumes learned me, that gentlemen wore cotton stockings first and then a pair of silk stockings on top of the cotton ones, so as to hide all the bad hairs. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century > Are they in London? I couldn't find any online catalog. If they are > local > we could pop in while I am there. Anne > > > You could try Funn Stockings here in England. > > http://www.kellysearch.co.uk/gb-company-300002851.html > > Suzi > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:06:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6R3L007087 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6L51021526; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L63QJ062387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L62pN097675; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17L5u64097528 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98609 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 20:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 20:59:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207205503.01d63930@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:56:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO t 17:46 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types >of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? Oh, I have so many books I forgot I had that - thanks for reminding me. That's what comes of working on one job while thinking of the next but three! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:07:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L75uM007108 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:07:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L6wsc002202; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L5per062345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L5pW9097474; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:05:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JrXgU022233 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62638 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 19:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 19:53:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:51:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 15:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Thank you! I am glad you found my site. :) > >The gloves on the Worshipful glovers guild pages that are for James >the 1st are the ones you want to look for. There are also a pair of >Danish gloves that the link at the moment escapes me. > >I am currently in training here on Wall Street (the subway ride was >so very cool!) and do not have access to my personal computer. It is >back at the hotel. I think the link is there on that computer and >will try to find it. > >The Danish pair are fabulous! I will find the link for you somehow. > >For now do a search for King James I gloves and that should pull up >a lot of really beautiful glove images for you. I really want to >make a few of those. They would be for non-sca purposes so no one >would really ever see them. :( > >Chiara Francesca >glove maker :) Francesca Thank you - I would really appreciate the link if you can find it - I have a month for research before I need to start. I went to an exhibition put on by the Worshipful Glovers, and must try to find the leaflet. However I am getting a very odd site from the address www.glovers.com Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:09:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L94TS007156 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:09:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17L8wAo022915; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:09:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L71C6062563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L6tpC098550; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L1KXu092806 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA990340; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:01:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:01:06 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c62c29$e3fb0d00$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO How about QE1 !! KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Aren't there a bunch of close ups of the embroidery and lace on these types > of gloves in "Fashion in Detail"? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:10:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LASDD007196 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LAM6E024556; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L4geL062157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L4cgI096203; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:04:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17JTA5w097586 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47552 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 19:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 19:29:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207192547.01d65d00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:27:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 18:36 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: > >>Does anybody have pictures of genuine 17th century gloves they can share? > >The Boston MFA has quite a few in their collection, with nice >pictures on their website. > > >Dawn Thank you. All too complicated and expensive to copy, I fear. Most customers can't afford to pay for the time to do the embroidery. Pity! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:14:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LEkKD007324 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:14:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LEd5G025695; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17L93xM062898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L8x5o000900; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17L8ttN000673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6a4b-00056a-8w; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 Message-ID: <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:08:29 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves > from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up > later.. oooh. I must have missed that issue somehow. Which one was it? Thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 16:20:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LKcli007426 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:20:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17LKVom028542; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:20:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17LK77X064774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LJsQX011748; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:19:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LJkbG011476 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:19:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD2602E8; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:12:06 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.147 ([209.131.80.147] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 16:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c62c2b$68f154a0$935083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More eye candy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:20:34 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E90F1F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17LKcli007426 Status: RO My book find of the week is "What Dolls Wore Before" by Florence Theriault. She covers the years 1850-1925 in this volume of luscious real photos of doll costumes. For those of you who have children for whom you do h-costume, this book provides designs and fabric and trim that has been difficult to pin down (well, so to speak,) before. Many of the dolls clothes were also what children were wearing in this period. Next to the Kyoto volume that sparked our imaginations, this book will certainly sit in ready reach for ideas on how to do a more credible rendering. Kathleen, who found this at the Amazon site... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:13:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MDiYh008771 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:13:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MDcNQ021103; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MChVN074221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MBdfN065085; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MBBDD064596 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.108.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.108] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6b3C-0004kJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:10:17 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:48:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmW0l009451 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmQNc004580; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Mf6pR079261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LqAIE046688; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17LpbVq046146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17LpVPA053248 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <29462.66.9.89.66.1139349091.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1> <55190.66.9.89.66.1139326409.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:51:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Yes the domain name got purchased from under them. The link in my links section was from archive.org since it was still up for a long time. Try it that way. There is a huge amount of gloves from the 17th century that can be found everywhere. There are few online museums that even let you zoom in close. It may be late tonight before I can get the links for you. Chiara On Tue, February 7, 2006 1:51 pm, Suzi Clarke said: > At 15:33 07/02/2006, you wrote: > Francesca > > Thank you - I would really appreciate the link if you can find it - > I > have a month for research before I need to start. I went to an > exhibition put on by the Worshipful Glovers, and must try to find > the > leaflet. However I am getting a very odd site from the address > www.glovers.com > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:49:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Mn3de009457 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:49:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MmuGp022826; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MmNd5080685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mm9PH001699; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mm0El001509 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.a1.6fe35eb0 (2612) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:47:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2006 4:05:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: All too complicated and expensive to copy, I fear. What about the Spanish ones that seemed to just be decorated with ribbon loops and metallic lace? #38.135a I saw a pair faked for film made of bought leather work gloves with a cuff added made of a brocade enhanced with a little seed pearl embroidery, some bullion and spangles and lace. Just enough hand work to make the things look worked to death when mixed with the brocade. Looked great. I loved the knitted ones supposed worn by Cardinal Richelieu. I loved the iconography embroidered on just the top of the hand of the left glove. A great detail to use on a costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 17:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MwQLs009644 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MwJnv008696; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:58:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MuWWO082219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17MuHG6010067; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mu6hJ009768 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1a2.44a20d25 (2612) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.44a20d25.311a7f79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:55:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2006 5:51:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: What about the Spanish ones that seemed to just be decorated with ribbon loops and metallic lace? #38.135a loved the knitted ones supposed worn by Cardinal Richelieu. I loved the iconography embroidered on just the top of the hand of the left glove. A great detail to use on a costume. I was looking at the MFA in Boston site, BTW....thought I'd mention that. :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:02:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17N2LPt009719 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:02:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17N2F0t010491; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:02:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17MuNrF082195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Mu34q009815; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17MtmKK009547 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68084 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 22:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 22:55:45 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:53:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: >There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair >of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > >Melanie Schuessler As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:11:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NBp7j009874 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:11:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NBial014296; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NAtEh084789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NAZrU025376; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NAUST025207 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f553b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.59]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91FCAA50051 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:10:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c62c3b$aee825a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:10:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:11:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E92930.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes i say the same of Denmark. But i have heard so many good things about this. Perhaps it is possible to subscribe it like i do for the austrailian Inspirations Magazine? Bjarne Where was it you could se the danish pair of 17th century gloves? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: >>There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of >>gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). >> >>Melanie Schuessler > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I > have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NEG5n009931 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:14:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NE937015183; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NDWpN085892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NDQ0j028975; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k17NDLJp028832 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86679 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 23:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 23:13:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207231017.01d54aa0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:11:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 21:51 07/02/2006, you wrote: >Yes the domain name got purchased from under them. > >The link in my links section was from archive.org since it was still >up for a long time. Try it that way. > >There is a huge amount of gloves from the 17th century that can be >found everywhere. There are few online museums that even let you >zoom in close. > >It may be late tonight before I can get the links for you. > >Chiara like I said, I have a while before I have to actually make these, so there is no rush. Found this great site while looking around. http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/narrative.php?irn=237&himage=9&themeback=10&CostumeTheme=#image Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:16:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NGvAs009974 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:16:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NGpDT016298; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NFnoV086347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NFfMl031315; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-dav3.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NFYuX031174 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:15:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 63.238.214.97 by BAY108-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:15:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [63.238.214.97] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "KELLY" To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:15:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 23:15:32.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[6477A3A0:01C62C3C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] drawers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:16:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E92A63.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k17NGvAs009974 Status: RO >I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, >the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some with a below->knee length, but these eould be too long for me) and >I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >when I'm making period costumes, I often never know >what type of fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - >were they fastened simply with a ribbon or a button or >what? Does anyone know any web page or book or >simply anything that could help me? > Zuzana I believe you're looking for drawers; there are free directions for drafting a custom pattern for mid-19th century drawers at : www.elizabethstewartclark.com I have used these directions for ladies of a variety of sizes and shapes and found it to work quite well. If you poke around the site a bit, you will also find advice on other mid-19th century undergarments. Regards, Kelly Dorman Backward Glances www.backwardglances.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:49:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NnWbX010565 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:49:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17NnP2w028049; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:49:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Nn60O091980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Nn3tN062476; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17Nn0Sq062395 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1357516wra for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=NquPa6BqKbz7k9n2Q78AAZ4AMTZuX5wXbR/ZdQBf/sna4C1RrMJ+6oPRVfoChZJeamwW8Uo/PVyMHatLqWs9Dxw9KJ4ojq68G6zq2d8oQ+zEjZfq9RQ+tbVf/oTuSvB3UEcsFBxAKrpCKrAAlLpbBEr83egoCromMsgvBxeB6PU= Received: by 10.64.193.3 with SMTP id q3mr973578qbf; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e11sm98375qbc.2006.02.07.15.48.54; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <010401c62c41$110a6c70$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:49:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93205.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just > now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Petticoats for 13th-15th century? I thought it was all one-piece garments up to the 16th C or so? In any case, for the late Middle-Ages, I'd say lacings mostly, and some buttons maybe. But that's an awful long period to cover, and you don't say where, so it's a little hard to be more specific. > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, you > wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> I've just come to a question about period fastenings - when I'm >> making period costumes, I often never know what type of fastening >> shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with >> a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web page or book >> or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana > > You need to be more specific. 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Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 18:54:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Nss50010637 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:54:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17Nsl7F029968; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17NrUgn092799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NrT1f066728; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k17NrP4H066633 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so1389568wra for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=WQNaeJ8e3Y5quQE5S0cr2l1TiF8mkzFlHt91ueaIjK9ujmhAPvQytCSr4QDnp84sn+IlHN/n92C7sAlmYUZ/xgqs69r/AeU+icoe5DdYet7I0RJ2g1PdJRgRsAt1KmhA87TNnnfyEmKxa86zmKFJyvfHmfyTxOLkgOCVi+mb+yE= Received: by 10.65.138.17 with SMTP id q17mr930076qbn; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f14sm653494qba.2006.02.07.15.53.22; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:53:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <012101c62c41$b0bc1390$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] drawers Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:53:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93347.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>I mean the underwear type pants - wide and with lace, >>the rather shorter ones ( I've seen some >> with a below->knee length, but these eould be too long for me) >> Zuzana >I believe you're looking for drawers; there are free directions for >drafting a custom > pattern for mid-19th century drawers at : www.elizabethstewartclark.com Unless you're looking for medieval drawers (weren't you the one who posted a question about fastenings too? -- unless they're totally unrelated questions). In any case, I don't think we can prove the existence of drawers as a standard undergarment before the 1800s, even if they existed (seemed to be a sort of curiosity then, except perhaps in Italy) in the late 1500s. And there's a strong case against their existence in the Middle Ages. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:20:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180KRh0011049 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:20:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180KJvi006624; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180J2GH097295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180Iwq6092523; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180Ir8M092393 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A8E60340; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:18:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 19:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c62c45$7d3308e0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO The text for this article is built on items of the Burrell Collection, Glascow, Scotland. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: > >There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair > >of gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > > > >Melanie Schuessler > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least > I have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:27:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180Rdtl011180 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:27:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180RW3R009703; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180Qpaf098556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180QoZ0000445; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180QkBX000342 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B06A296A for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:26:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E93AF0.2040500@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:27:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93AF4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This commercial was a scream! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186888463242782209 I love the sleeves on the lettuce costume, and the tomato hat is to die for! Dawn ps: the rest of the superbowl commercials are here: http://video.google.com/superbowl.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:33:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180XiW1011289 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180XcBF012304; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180XKcA099475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180XIAS006334; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180XEpE006256 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F6dGi3RGW-0002w2; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c62c47$40668ac0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060207144111.01dbd8d0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:33:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93C62.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, I can view the images. The website states that you need to have Apple QuickTime. I guess because I am not using a Mac it won't show up. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:37:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180bQSb011361 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180bKxl013883; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180asfA099903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180asRe009681; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180apIB009559 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1C01BC; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:36:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Feb 2006 19:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c62c47$ffea8ea0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Piecework X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:37:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93D40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k180bQSb011361 Status: RO I discovered this magazine in the mid 1990s, They are doing for the needle arts what we of h-costume hope we are doing for fashion and textile arts. Every issue deals by history or handiwork what is being passed down or rediscovered by folk such as we are or hope to be. >From time to time I have passed on to the list current articles that by serendipity or from my own interest, that seem to deal with topics of interest to H-costume. Whether it be 'nal binding', blackwork, the language of clothing,or maybe "Taste, Art, and Design in Great Britain from 1500 to 1900", or other topics dealing with piecework from the far distant or near remembrances of past present, this one publication helps to keep me not only informed but inspired to learn past and new ways of manipulating the textiles I love. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:40:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180e1r1011398 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:40:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180dsaG014890; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180YWqX099585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180YVoQ007372; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180YRHU007239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:34:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6dHY-0008VQ-UB; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:05 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20060207183404.jkiuuj285e88gkk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:34:04 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, I've been drooling there for *far* too long. Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted gloves *before* 1600? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 19:42:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180gLaM011437 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:42:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k180gFFd015859; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k180fvCl001141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180fqou014558; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k180fns7014501 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1F6dP12S7K-0008Px; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c62c48$733728a0$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E93AF0.2040500@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E93E67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k180gLaM011437 Status: RO Dawn, My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that I would like. During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad looks very Busby Berkley-ish. My favorite was the onion costume. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:38:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181cWUF012433 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181cP3O003910; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181ba7K010545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181bTMk065358; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181bPop065312 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C670338AB for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:25 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:37:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006501c62c48$733728a0$6400a8c0@Penny> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:38:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94B91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character creeps me out. De Former McDonald's crew. -----Original Message----- Dawn, My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that I would like. During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad looks very Busby Berkley-ish. My favorite was the onion costume. Penny E. Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:48:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181mlhA012626 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181meU1007825; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181mPCU011655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181mN3B073847; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181mJRl073708 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.37]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060208014818.MHMO29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:18 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207163154.01dc0dc0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYsBP6fjxRQUXh8R1uAEN1YlLqdDQATJSow Message-Id: <20060208014818.MHMO29285.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94DF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK. I can look at it when I am there. See you soon, Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:stockings for 18th century >No sorry - they're in Sussex - a bit far for a bus journey. They >don't do a catalogue online as far as I know, but I have a paper list >they sent me somewhere. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 20:52:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181qet0012841 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k181qYgg009418; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181qKvg011993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181qKkF077060; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181qFYM076938 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k181q9001805 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:52:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CCA4880-7850-4CC4-8327-CCBC802B8426@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:52:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E94EE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's our name for the character, "That Creepy Plastic Guy" But I have to admit to loving the commercial with the King and Darth Vader. :D Althea On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:37 PM, otsisto wrote: > Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King > character creeps > me out. > De > Former McDonald's crew. > > -----Original Message----- > Dawn, > > My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger > King that > I would like. > > During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high > school and > one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order > Whoppers. > When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we > were not to > complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion > World, > "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... > this ad > looks very Busby Berkley-ish. > > My favorite was the onion costume. > > Penny E. Ladnier > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:00:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1820Yox013193 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:00:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1820ROL012184; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k181vcfr012504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181vaJP081272; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k181vWee081213 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EED71338A7 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:31 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <010401c62c41$110a6c70$0302a8c0@p4audrey> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E950BB.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is indication in some "Italian" portraits of the possibility of petticoats in the late 1400s. The counter argument is that the bodice and skirt are two different materials but sewn together. I am sure there are more theories out there. As for closures, there is the possibility of hook and eye but being that most garments had a tendency to be made to fit most people (hand-me-downs), I would think that the drawstring waist band would be the most common form of closure for the petticoat/underskirt. I am going under the assumption that it is the under skirts that are being asked about as I vague remember that petticoat has changed in item identification over the years. De (been sick so a bit fogged brain) -----Original Message----- > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but just > now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) Petticoats for 13th-15th century? I thought it was all one-piece garments up to the 16th C or so? In any case, for the late Middle-Ages, I'd say lacings mostly, and some buttons maybe. But that's an awful long period to cover, and you don't say where, so it's a little hard to be more specific. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:24:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182OsME013975 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:24:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182Ol7H020379; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182OTdw015225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182ORgl002598; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182OMsk002437 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84A3A296B for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:24:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E95680.5050101@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:25:04 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? > There is a pair of knitted ecclesiastical gloves in the MFA collection that are labelled "16th century". (item #38.1339a/b) That would put them in the 1500's...unfortunately further information is not displayed with the item. 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Status: RO No no, Quicktime is free, like Acrobat Reader or Real Player. You can get it here. (BTW, you don't need to put in your email on the download site before downloading.) http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A 'In the Round' images > Katherine, > > I can view the images. The website states that you need to have Apple > QuickTime. I guess because I am not using a Mac it won't show up. > > Penny E. Ladnier > Owner, > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:47:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182lwrb014300 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182lqro027838; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182lJtD017432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182lH5H019615; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182lERr019574 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m234.in-tch.com [216.166.191.234]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k182cnA09317 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:38:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <008401c62c5a$f48b81a0$eabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060207143616.90299.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207150913.01db67c8@127.0.0.1><55190.66.9.89.66.1139326409.squirrel@webmail.io.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207194849.01d65020@127.0.0.1><29462.66.9.89.66.1139349091.squirrel@webmail.io.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060207231017.01d54aa0@127.0.0.1> <20060207183404.jkiuuj285e88gkk0@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Yes. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 21:58:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182wrFK014496 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:58:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k182wklE031311; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k182vwOR018718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182vsdo028043; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k182vo7m027995 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m234.in-tch.com [216.166.191.234]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k182nPA11726 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:49:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <009701c62c5c$6fd23ba0$eabfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras><20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com><43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net><6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> <004101c62c3b$aee825a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO It is available by subscription, although I don't know if they ship outside the US/Canada. At any rate, the publishers have a website, which I'm noting below: http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/subscriptions/subscripti ons.asp --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Hi Suzi, > Yes i say the same of Denmark. But i have heard so many good things about > this. Perhaps it is possible to subscribe it like i do for the austrailian > Inspirations Magazine? > > Bjarne > > Where was it you could se the danish pair of 17th century gloves? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > > > At 23:10 07/02/2006, you wrote: > >>There's an article on an early 17th c. hunting set including a pair of > >>gauntlet gloves in Piecework Volume XI, Number 2 (March/April 2003). > >> > >>Melanie Schuessler > > > > > > As far as I know this magazine is not available in the U.K. At least I > > have never seen it here. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places? > > > > Suzi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 22:37:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k183b7RR015329 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:37:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k183auSu011098; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k183a9Xk023241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183a67g056917; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183a2g0056850 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from n.mm@gte.net) Received: from POGO.gte.net ([71.111.126.85]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUC005FHEZMULM1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:35:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:35:49 -0800 From: Nancy Millis-MacHaffie In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20060207225252.01dc2408@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: res04vv9@incoming.verizon.net (Unverified) To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5.1.0.14.1.20060207163332.02a77ec0@incoming.verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com> <006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> <43E928D9.4000105@faucet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Piecework Magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:37:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E96758.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi and others... American Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006KSSX/qid%3D1139358772/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr_11_1/103-9265195-6475826 From the Piecework Website http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/default.asp I'm sure they will be happy to sell you back issues. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 23:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184C6w7016004 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184BxNf022087; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k184BHTQ026731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184BDCl082729; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184B9B4082684 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.108.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.108] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6b7u-0006Wb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <43E929FA.80500@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:15:06 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings References: <20060207193209.91133.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:12:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E96F8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm a little confused. I didn't know anyone was wearing anything like petticoats in 13th-15th c. Europe. Are you looking at a different place? Or did I misunderstand your question? Type of fastening will depend on what garment, when, where, worn by whom, made of what, etc. There's not really an easy answer. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but > just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, > you wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >> when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of >> fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened >> simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web >> page or book or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 7 23:16:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184GGPt016088 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:16:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k184G9t0023313; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k184FT9O027188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184FTGl085959; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k184FP21085833 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.50.172.41]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060208041520.PCF16677.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:12:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:16:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E97089.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello everyone! I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks here would have an idea or two. :-) ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. ------------------------------ Thanks in advance! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 01:10:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186AnBv017815 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:10:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186AhEH026550; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:10:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1867pCf038463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1867dc3070360; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1867ZZ4070218 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id EF6123F16 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:30 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1139378849805; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -1000 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO There are quite a few pictures of both women's and men's gloves in The Visual History of Costume Accessories by Valerie Cumming, but alas, they're all in black and white. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 01:13:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186CvsO017852 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:12:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k186CpRp001423; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1869jje038728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1869i0A072627; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1869e9Q072529 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA0F3CC303C8; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:05:03 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c62c76$442f4730$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Try costume stores, they often carry "props" for various costumes. Also, if you don't mind a longer sword, I got my son a wooden practice sword that they sell for martial arts. It cost about $8.00. Very nice. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane & Sheridan Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword Hello everyone! I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks here would have an idea or two. :-) ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. ------------------------------ Thanks in advance! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 03:34:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k188Xx0E009520 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:33:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k188Xq6p006807; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:33:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k188VQAJ054510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k188VK3u080791; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k188VFvx080694 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1860 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 08:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 08:31:14 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:29:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 03:04 08/02/2006, you wrote: >It is available by subscription, although I don't know if they ship outside >the US/Canada. At any rate, the publishers have a website, which I'm noting >below: >http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/subscriptions/subscripti >ons.asp >--Sue Thanks - I have written for information. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/06 2:41:30 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > >>a ribbon or a button or what? Question - what do you actually mean by petticoat?? If you mean an underdress (aka chemise or shift), then they were loose enough not to need fastenings - the only class distinction would be in the quality of the fabric. (I asked the question because I've never known it to be called a petticoat during the earlier periods.) If you mean the waistcoat-like garment often used to hold up hosen, then points (individual ties, rather than one long lace). Hope that's of help, but more clarification would mean I could give more info. 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Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, > I've been drooling there for *far* too long. > > Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted > gloves *before* 1600? There's a pair of red knitted silk and metal thread 15th-century pontifical gloves and one silk and metal knitted 13th-century archbishop's glove in Textile Conservation and Research by Mechtild Flury-Lemberg. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:03:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18D3U5q025625 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18D3OPP028500; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Cw1UA090658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Cw1Tc095674; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Cv30L094873 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:57:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1d7.4e0f2558 (18707) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:56:51 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.4e0f2558.311b4493@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:56:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: period fastenings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9EC1C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/06 2:41:30 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened simply with > >>a ribbon or a button or what? PS to what I just said - you did give some awfully wide apart dates - in that time the shape of the chemise wouldn't change all that much, but the waistcoat-like garment would only be worn really more towards the end of it, and then not always, as the doublet was often used to hold up the hosen. D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:19:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DJKUg026029 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:19:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DJD30002631; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DH3Cc092305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DH2h0010069; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k183lY8u065431 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8302FA296B for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:47:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43E969FE.6000107@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:48:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:19:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9EFD1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover edition) "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's already backstitched... does it? Can anyone clarify this for me? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:20:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKZrK026058 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKTIc021806; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DJdkp092649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DJd8M012258; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:19:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k185QsdB038443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:26:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-198-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.198]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k185QqIc024300 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:26:53 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:26:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:20:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F01D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have a new historic costume pattern, http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s outfits. Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:20:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKh88026063 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DKaYX027271; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DKNm4092869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DKNab013121; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k189apeW031274 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 02:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 76761 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q4Y1CmAonrvYeEfZlvH0/fGzPM+Zlwu2oT6GQgn3iAxJEWIItqmo+kJCpVJrS8/rbEgm+S0t2rwArL/swFW/3RZNpYxh6repFGn4lyEJdV1n0zZR5NBNxeWTcZIL0P1RCehvnRKKDReJPZUyEF3ZmXO84eULp3goOkGObML5Jkw= ; Message-ID: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:36:49 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F024.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone! I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who think they have more of a clue than "north european, possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer queries on them. More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The construction is well illustrated by the photos as is the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from light and other clothes in an acid-neutral environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by India but I couldn't tell you why... http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you can help :-) Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:39:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DdGvB026440 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:39:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DdAtW010787; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Dcdfs094711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DcbhI027199; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DcYbI027106 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:38:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:38:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:38:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 13:38:28.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[F174B1D0:01C62CB4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F47E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The waistcoat looks late 18th Century to me. the vibrant colours were popular then too, and if pack away from light for the last couple of hundred years, would retain it's colour. It looks in fabulous condition! I would lightly vacum it, with a low power vacume like ones used in museums, but that's all before packing it away properly. "cleaning" often confuses people into washing it in water, which might damage the garment. No matter the condition, it shouldn't be worn any more. At the end of the 18th Century, fashions were becomming inspired by the near east. Archeaoligical digs in Egypt and expansion into the Medeterrianian and Eastward by England were influencing a new Classical era. That may be why you feel it's inspired by India. Looks yummy! Kelly in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice > Hi everyone! > > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > > More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite > embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early > 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The > construction is well illustrated by the photos as is > the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've > suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from > light and other clothes in an acid-neutral > environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's > costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by > India but I couldn't tell you why... > > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > > They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you > can help :-) > > Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a > photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:42:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DgdUo026496 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DgXc6012233; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DftsE095072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Dft7T029792; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18DfqHH029752 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25203 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208133359.01dc3930@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:37:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? In-Reply-To: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F549.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:26 08/02/2006, you wrote: >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for >submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have >a new historic costume pattern, >http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or >natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of >the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit >like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do >already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on >stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s >outfits. >Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is >and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look >too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it >reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need >fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to >pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the >skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just >dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into >this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era >outfits what is your opinion? >Elizabeth The bodice looks reasonable, but I am really not sure about the drapes coming from the back bodice in that way. I've made a few of this period and would much rather rely on my favourites, Hunnisett and Arnold for patterns. "Dover's "Harper's Bazaar" book has lots of pictures of this era, and Truly Victorian has lots of patterns for skirts of this period. I would perhaps not "spend" your pattern on this. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DlPjx026576 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:47:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DlIlG014236; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18DfpBk095066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DfpKc029740; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18Dfld7029687 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25214 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 13:41:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208133721.01dca368@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:39:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Funn Stockings, was 18th century stockings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:47:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F666.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've just found my samples from Funn Stockings. (Who says my workroom is a shambles?) The silk ones are very fine, and would need to be worn over another pair for men's 18th century. The cotton ones are not so fine, but are translucent rather than transparent. Hope this helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 08:54:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18DsE6V026681 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:54:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ds7U2017102; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Dpcfk096352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DpbqP037487; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18DpXiE037332 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A75E0220; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:51:26 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 08:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00a801c62cb6$fe9845a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13e.241f450c.311a36e7@aol.com><006301c62c29$ca045280$935083d1@rmitchellras> <20060207150829.gumo69ittxc0g4gc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:53:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9F7FF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How time flies, alas... The issue is actually Vol. XI, Number 2 (March/April '03) While looking for this last eve, I pulled several issues out at random that deal with the 16/17Centuries.They are:Taste, Art, and Design in great Britain 1500-1900 (Jan/Feb '03) The Wedding Cloak of Johann GeorgI (May/June '05) Language of clothing (July/Aug '03)Julliet Hamelcourt: Medieval Artist in a modern World (Nov/Dec '99) Blackwork (Jan/Feb'04) Because of the breadth of needle arts this magazine covers, all be it sometimes in snatches, it is the single subscription I keep up with. Kathleen (And they are a company that actually answer phones or returns e-mail queries!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > > > Also, Piecework did a fine article on 16th C embroideries last year. Gloves > > from QE2 inventory were part of the presentation. I will look this up > > later.. > > oooh. I must have missed that issue somehow. Which one was it? > > Thanks, > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18E5RlF026854 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:05:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18E5GjW021895; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:05:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E4U4W098579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E4T9N050379; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18E4EGi050202 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7749 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:04:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NpRpkDDBltkt3KD2NuDulXGNkIWjjGxgKzzYea2Q9sLOJtZh5DS00n/7ddwg0mdGiPNsDD1vkvor+K+Q4As2t1/WrfHXSCbdp+OvFqlkUTXvV3KetL4awPao9MuD3aDw3UEqwDevVSWSEyMTapqcXtNDwsgC14G611A8qKDdksQ= ; Message-ID: <20060208140408.7747.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:04:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:05:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FA9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sheridan, I've used rubber daggers in various live-action games (full-contact fighting ones as well as the more 'drama' oriented ones). We picked them up at martial art stores, where you can also buy wooden practice swords or shinai (bamboo practice swords), all three of which should qualify under your friend's qualifications. Angharad / Jonnalyhn Wolfcat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:11:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBOcq026963 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBGFq024703; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E3ZVs098396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E3Upt049336; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E3Oj0049150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k18E3JR80405 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:03:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 08 Feb 2006 08:03:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:18 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:03:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knitted gloves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:11:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FC04.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I copied down: Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum Birgitt Borkopp-Restle Bavarian National Museum Had some great pics of a 16/early 17C embroideryed shirt, lace examples, etc. as well Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:12:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EC3M9026975 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:12:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EBuba019228; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18E6CNu099558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E6BSQ052164; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18E66UJ052071 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:06:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:06:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:06:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 14:06:06.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDC03C10:01C62CB8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:11:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FC2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The actual picture looks as if the side poof is pulled to the front opening but the drawing view does not. I don't know if that is the problem you seek, but that is one difference I see. The ones I've seen like this are pulled more towards the back, not to the front. They form the bustle and "butt enhancement" with all the poofyness. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they > have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a > bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they > do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this > is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:20:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EKASm027116 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:20:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EK2kU028388; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EILo7005192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EIJpx064213; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EIGDF064091 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8557 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:18:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S6AZTNw2nnRSvpEq1iNHqkqPbj2iREURxdbxMSZmxgeTcyy9j4nK8+oEMqK6A2IW6zNJaWAbjq5dh9CkGUJ8QQcCLwigGL5isZwy77vlmGSGqSG4rdflLxzPh8R8L1G4pvNxlM9pW2ZxamYjSgWUWe2ZViKC6CSxFWYmijwGOx8= ; Message-ID: <20060208141810.8555.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:18:10 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200602071434.k17EY8j5094351@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: underpants 19th c? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FE12.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When 19th cent? early? middle? late? There are some patterns Past Patterns( to buy) and Elizabeth Stewart Clark( free on the web) take care of middle 19th cent (split crothch and all). Folkwear USED to make a late 19th cent. version, I don't know if they still do. MIa in Charlotte, NC, who uses that mid-19th cent to wear under 18c kit. 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Mail. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:23:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENTPX027212 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:23:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENKHD029818; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:23:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EMq6M007044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EMqFD068539; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EMmmU068479 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48111 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 14:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 14:22:32 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208141628.01dca150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:20:28 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice In-Reply-To: References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FED8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:38 08/02/2006, you wrote: >The waistcoat looks late 18th Century to me. the vibrant colours >were popular then too, and if pack away from light for the last >couple of hundred years, would retain it's colour. It looks in >fabulous condition! I would lightly vacum it, with a low power >vacume like ones used in museums, but that's all before packing it >away properly. "cleaning" often confuses people into washing it in >water, which might damage the garment. No matter the condition, it >shouldn't be worn any more. >At the end of the 18th Century, fashions were becomming inspired by >the near east. Archeaoligical digs in Egypt and expansion into the >Medeterrianian and Eastward by England were influencing a new >Classical era. That may be why you feel it's inspired by India. > >Looks yummy! >Kelly in Nova Scotia > >>Hi everyone! >> >>I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old >>tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who >>think they have more of a clue than "north european, >>possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer >>queries on them. >> >>More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite >>embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early >>19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The >>construction is well illustrated by the photos as is >>the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've >>suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from >>light and other clothes in an acid-neutral >>environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's >>costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by >>India but I couldn't tell you why... >> >>http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ >> >>They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you >>can help :-) >> >>Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh It looks about 178- to me. I have half a waistcoat front from that era, and it has not faded at all - the silks were obviously very well dyed. I would suggest you contact a conservator at one of the many fine museums in Scotland, and ask for advice. I cannot remember where she works, but Naomi Tarrant is/was curator of costume at a Museum there - Shambellie House maybe? Sortry, I'm being vague too!! Suzi in sunny London, although clouding over as I type. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:24:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18EO6bL027221 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:24:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ENwIB026250; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EMTJu006777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EMRDW068081; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EMNxw067898 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80055 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 14:22:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1cVJ5vVOHK4hsxe1exJqArFxxdHBgOd6xeT6CIQcSCw6RxSuP2JSB5tj2M2rSB/7a++gDRg2xHAUCubkehxZeKzGMXAW2lo4g2NYt5zJIwG3SMLCwqBODfv21nYB9sPd9eWKMzO1SOmHmF/qTG/mPuEoF71knF1HCrbxXY3GwuY= ; Message-ID: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:22:17 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43E929FA.80500@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:24:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43E9FEFE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Perhaps I was not clear enough - when I was talking about petticoats, I meant mainly the 19th century of course. The fact is, I was asking if anyone knew a web page or a book where I could read something about fastenings in common - which kind of fastening was used in the middle ages, what in renaissance etc. For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. Melanie Schuessler wrote: I'm a little confused. I didn't know anyone was wearing anything like petticoats in 13th-15th c. Europe. Are you looking at a different place? Or did I misunderstand your question? Type of fastening will depend on what garment, when, where, worn by whom, made of what, etc. There's not really an easy answer. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Actually, I'd like to get to know something about all periods, but > just now I need late middle ages (13th-15th century) > > Joan Jurancich wrote: At 03:21 AM 2/7/2006, > you wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I've just come to a question about period fastenings - >> when I'm making period costumes, I often never know what type of >> fastening shall I use. F.ex. the petticoats - were they fastened >> simply with a ribbon or a button or what? Does anyone know any web >> page or book or simply anything that could help me? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18ERI0j027269 Status: RO This is from another group I sew with. Their emphasis is on the Victorian/ Edwardian Period. << It's sure pretty, but I wouldn't exactly call it "historic."  "Costume" is the right word.  But it looks like they're trying to get an 1880 look.  When JoAnn has their Simplicity $1 pattern sale, I'd pick it up because it looks like the bodice would work, with a few modifications.  I really don't like the poufy stuff at the hip -- I'd change that part to something pleated.>> Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 8, 2006, at 12:26 AM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that > they have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a > bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom > of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite > a bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although > they do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo > on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early > 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic > this is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, > it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need > fitting to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to > pinpoint a flaw (I admit I don't like the look of the back of the > skirt but I don't know if that's because it's inauthentic or I just > dislike the style). Then again I've only done a little research into > this era, so for those who have more expertise in natural form era > outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 09:29:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ETGUg027297 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:29:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ET8pT029567; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18EQuwB008909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18EQuta072445; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18EQqh5072382 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 23778 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 06:26:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 23753, pid: 23757, t: 6.0143s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 06:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060208062116.02252090@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:26:41 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice In-Reply-To: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA0034.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:36 AM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old >tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who >think they have more of a clue than "north european, >possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer >queries on them. > >More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite >embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early >19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The >construction is well illustrated by the photos as is >the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've >suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from >light and other clothes in an acid-neutral >environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's >costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by >India but I couldn't tell you why... > >http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > >They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you >can help :-) > >Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > >"A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will >annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > I can't view anything but the indices and the first picture of each set. The one picture of the waistcoat gives me the impression that it is later 18th rather than early 19th century (I'm no expert in this area, so take my impression for what it's worth :-D). 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 10:35:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18FZpIa028494 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18FZgFF030571; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18FYd8A027788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FYWVV033834; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FYR7d033687 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k18FYLi4030841 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:34:21 -0500 Received: from 209-225-8-111.charter.net (HELO fepweb11) ([209.225.8.111]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2006 10:34:22 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,98,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="731383669:sNHT38300556" Message-ID: <20676887.1139412861398.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 7:34:21 -0800 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA0FCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. http://www.eleanorlebrun.com/closure.htm I have started to look into this question. But I do not have all the details worked out, a work in progress. I hope it helps a bit. Good luck Annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 10:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Fq5nq028853 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:52:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Fpv2t005175; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:52:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18FpOaZ030289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FpMFI050772; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18FpIEQ050702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6rbB-0000cQ-7i; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208095117.e9bkpm42i93vo44o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:51:17 -0600 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics > of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the > earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last > fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around > and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I > copied down: > > Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum > Birgitt Borkopp-Restle > Bavarian National Museum > Cool. My kid is going to Germany this summer -- how much of the book is pre-1600 ... and how much does it cost? I'm always interested in books wit cool pictures of embroidery and *stuff*! Thanks, Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAL9n029216 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAC0W029051; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18G9au6033317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G9XlI069899; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G9OpR069738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6rsg-0002kh-Qg; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208100922.t9ma08h9mlno0wk4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:09:22 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Melanie Schuessler : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> >> OK. thanks to the evil woman who pointed out the MFA in Boston site, >> I've been drooling there for *far* too long. >> >> Count Richelieu's gloves intrigue me. Are there examples of knitted >> gloves *before* 1600? > > There's a pair of red knitted silk and metal thread 15th-century > pontifical gloves and one silk and metal knitted 13th-century > archbishop's glove in Textile Conservation and Research by Mechtild > Flury-Lemberg. > Cool. If the "red knitted silk and metal thread" are the ones at the V&A, I just found them. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:10:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAO23029217 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GAErk012939; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18G7dM3032983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G7PIK067632; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18G7Kpp067438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k18G7Dt83858 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:07:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 08 Feb 2006 10:07:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:07:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: "Susan B. Farmer" Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:06:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitted gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:10:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA17E6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO He didn't remember the exact price with the exchange rate, thought it might be around $35 US. There were also a lot of full-page color photos of fabrics from the period it was covering, which was late 16/early 17C, and into the 17th C. My interests are more 16th C but I was still thinking of getting it. Hope that helps, Catherine >>> "Susan B. Farmer" 02/08/06 9:51 AM >>> Quoting Catherine Kinsey : > I was drooling over a friends new book this weekend that had great pics > of, if I remember correctly, 3 pairs of knitted gloves. One of the > earliest pairs was red. He got it at a museum in Bavaria on a trip last > fall so the text is in Germany. Haven't had a chance to search around > and see if it is available outside the museum but here is the info I > copied down: > > Textile Schatze aus Renaissance und Barock Bayerisches National Museum > Birgitt Borkopp-Restle > Bavarian National Museum > Cool. My kid is going to Germany this summer -- how much of the book is pre-1600 ... and how much does it cost? I'm always interested in books wit cool pictures of embroidery and *stuff*! Thanks, Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 11:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18GgC2F030703 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:42:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Gg2WT027237; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:42:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18GfLLZ039892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Gf2jX004774; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:41:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Geatk004315 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B51747FF06 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006b01c62cce$65710a70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA1F5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Katherine, Yum yum, thanks for posting the link. Oh god, i cant stand those embroideries :-) Its a mans waistcoat 1780-90 my guess. Feather patterns was very sheek in the 80ies............. Cant help with the tappestries. Even though it looks very inspired from India it could have ben made anywhere in Europe, perhaps France? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice > Hi everyone! > > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > > More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite > embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early > 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The > construction is well illustrated by the photos as is > the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've > suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from > light and other clothes in an acid-neutral > environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's > costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by > India but I couldn't tell you why... > > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ > > They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you > can help :-) > > Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:47:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA20A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html http://www.gloveassociation.org http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi This image of a glove: http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 Gloves London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:01:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18H1GnK031192 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:01:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18H18sq003454; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Gxcu5043739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18GxYb2026307; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18GxTcS026197 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 97096 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 16:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 16:59:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208165627.01dcba78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:57:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 16:45 08/02/2006, you wrote: >Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( > >http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > >http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > >http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > >http://www.gloveassociation.org > >http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > >This image of a glove: > >http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > >Gloves >London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. >(Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of >mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > >Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre >Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin >Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 >- 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. >1715 [Paris, c. 1715] Thank you Francesca. Some of these I got off your links page, but some are new. All are helpful for me to talk to my customer. I'm very grateful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hbihs000678 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:37:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18HbcTY019821; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:37:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18HaAwV052049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18HZF1U068800; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f34.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18HYtWD068419 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:34:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:34:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.160] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:34:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 17:34:52.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D53880:01C62CD5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 12:52:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hq8fW000898 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:52:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Hq1u0026235; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:52:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Hp8GV055086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:51:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Hp3lO086387; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18HovNw086163 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8WM4YA2QN9VA for (sender ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGP3KVNT; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:49:31 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:08:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Message-ID: <20060208.094847.3236.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-10,12-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 4:6:781896182 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqOOlhWnED/NXcR7ZIevPZM= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA2FC1.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. Me too. If Creepy Plastic Guy showed up at my place, I'ld have no recourse other than to beat him to death with a baseball bat. eeeeeyuuuuu (shivers!) (Sorry, no costume content.) Arlys On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:52:06 -0800 Althea Turner writes: > That's our name for the character, "That Creepy Plastic Guy" But I > have to admit to loving the commercial with the King and Darth > Vader. :D > > Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:13:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IDD9i001291 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:13:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18ID7jY003923; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:13:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IAeRA058514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IAYxf010022; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18IATEh009865 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 96475 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 18:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 18:10:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208180543.01dcb138@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:08:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO At 17:34 08/02/2006, you wrote: >It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm > >Marc Marc That is an amazing site - thank you - it has given me more ideas, as I was hoping to find something not quite so fancy as so many are, and there are some great examples there. I'm beginning to look forward to these now, even though I have a few jobs to finish first! Thanks again Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:23:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18INFI0001490 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:23:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IN8FR009025; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18ILwHb060897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18ILtvs023483; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18ILoQE023281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:21:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18ILhfE099706 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45230.66.9.89.66.1139422903.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1> <20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:21:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA370C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kinda found where it used to live ... http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/catalogue/ContactSheet.php?QueryName=BasicQuery&QueryPage=%2Fcostume%2Fcatalogue%2Findex.php&Anywhere=SummaryData%7CAdmWebMetadata&QueryTerms=glove&QueryOption=Anywhere&Submit=Search&StartAt=41 On Wed, February 8, 2006 10:45 am, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio said: > Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. > :( > > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > > http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > > http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > > http://www.gloveassociation.org > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > > This image of a glove: > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > > Gloves > London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. > (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of > mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > > Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre > Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin > Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 > - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. > 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Chiara http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/societyofstanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:48:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Im7o8001931 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:48:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Im0LW020890; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IlYhK066549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IkjTq051812; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IkQlO051391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2F3D284A6D; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A284A7C for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:46:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:45:52 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000101c62cdf$f3b01450$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO2027206@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18IkQlO051391 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery dating advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3CE0.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, I would suggest the waistcoat is between 1790 and 1800, just at the change of fashion from Georgian to Regency. The embroidery very much harks to the Georgian, in that it is so colourful in execution, and quite heavy in design. The sprigging, however, gives it away as Regency, as this was very much part of the Regency motif, as does the ivory silk. The cut of the waistcoat is also indicative of early Regency. It retains a slightly longer waist, with pointed fronts and large pockets, all of which are Georgian influences. We see the fronts of waistcoats straighten as Regency fashion takes hold, and pockets become smaller. As to the banners, I'd need a little more information as to dimensions. I would suggest these may not be banners, rather orphry bands, definitely ecclesiastical. Without being able to examine the banners in person, or having better detailed close-ups, it looks as though the first in the series is perhaps Opus Anglicanum, done in needlepainting and some or nue. In which case this is likely very valuable, museum piece, likely worked on a wool/silk ground with silk threads and gold. I would suggest this is late, rather than early Opus Anglicanum, perhaps 14th or 15th century. The figure work here is very fluid, and the execution of fills and the or nue quite skilled. I'd also suggest this was done in a professional embroidery house. The second is earlier, I think, and is unfinished. But, again, without being able to examine the piece, or having better images, it is difficult to tell. There is a great deal of water damage here. The figures seem a bit stiffer in form, and so I'd hazard a guess at 13th century. The cartoons are clearly visible here, which would indicate either an unfinished piece, or a severely damaged piece. The third is a puzzle. It looks as though it's edged with damaged green silk velvet, and has no taper to it at all, which would suggest not an orphry, perhaps rather part of the outside edge of an altar frontal. The figures are quite crude, reminiscent of very early opus anglicanum, so perhaps 11th century or earlier. But, again, without being able to examine the piece, I'm only stabbing in the dark. I'd need to be able to look at the textiles themselves to ascertain material content, etc., in order to give a more educated opinion. These could be very well done modern pieces made to look older. Whatever you do, you're going to have to be sure to use only the best quality conservator's materials. There is quite a range of thought on restoration/preservation/conservation. At the very least you can use conservator's gauze to stabilize those areas that are in the worst repair. Just my thoughts. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:50:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IoM92001993 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:50:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IoFYO021911; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:50:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Im7WY066682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Ilkm3053074; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18GWFi5094745 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EFA726280A for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006401c62ccd$3b31e000$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43E969FE.6000107@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing? 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Status: RO Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point á rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > > > Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two > references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric > by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's > already backstitched... does it? > > Can anyone clarify this for me? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:51:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Iphga002041 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:51:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ipba4003304; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:51:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Io4Ii067432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Io3Sp055870; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18H8WuF037707 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 91F49A50024 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:08:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1><20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Hi Chiara, The danish wedding? Is it the reconstrukted renaissance wedding dress from Kronborg? The link is here: http://www.ses.dk/sofiegalleri/ But there is no link to any gloves, or did i miss something? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, sorry. :( > > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF > > http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html > > http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html > > http://www.gloveassociation.org > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi > > This image of a glove: > > http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 > > > Gloves > London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. > (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of > mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) > > > Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre > Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin > Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de 17316 > - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. > 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:52:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqCI8002052 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Iq5co032363; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18IpRSm067710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IpQl5057377; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [70.103.189.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18HnIns084195 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:49:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 16804 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2006 17:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 17:49:12 -0000 Received: from 193.84-48-130.nextgentel.com ([84.48.130.193] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F6tRH-0003RU-NA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:49:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:48:55 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp 84.48.130.193 authed with g.vinje@drakt.org} X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: g.vinje@drakt.org,hotpop@drakt.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box77.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [515 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - drakt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3DD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT), katherine sanders wrote: > I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old > tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who > think they have more of a clue than "north european, > possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer > queries on them. > http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ From what I can see in the photoes, I'd hassard that the first one might be maybe as early as 1350, but most likely 15thC. The colors are more or less compatible with mid 14thC english embroideries in the V&A.On the other hand, there is the golden/apricot color and what looks like orange. Do you have any idea if the golden shades might be faded madder reds or if it was golden all along ? I can't make out the stitches properly, but it looks like an Opus Anglicanum piece from what I see. The goldwork background used here seems to be a more common feature of the 15thC than the 14th from what I've seen over the years. There is a cope in Historisk Museum her in Oslo with an embroidered band bearing a superficial resemblance to this piece btw. The halfdone or very worn banner is hard to tell due to the stitches not being very visible.And too little of the pattern and colors are seen. Is it the back piece of the one above ? Or a separate one ? The 3rd one is the first I've seen with green velvet. Lots of apricot or faded madder reds, but too blurry to tell much. Opus Anglicanum work and couched gold background in different patterns ? The colors look more french than english to me, but as I can't see the details close enough... Thanks for posting these, I'd love to see these close up. Do you have any better detailed photoes ? Know anything about their history or origin ? Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 13:52:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqMtL002053 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18IqFGq022265; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:52:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Ippqs067797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Ipovi057880; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:51:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18IF9U9015305 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.178.174.208 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:15:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.178.174.208] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060208093649.76759.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:14:59 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 18:15:04.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[95AEF910:01C62CDB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:52:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA3DDF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18IqMtL002053 Status: RO Katherine, my "gut instinct" on the waistcoat is late 18th century, but I'm no expert. The curator of the Valentine museum in Richmond, VA (whose name is escaping me at the moment, it's been a few years) was quite studied on men's shirts and waiscoats of the 18th and 19th centuries and could probably give a more educated time frame. HTH-- LuAnn (who agrees these items are absolutely lovely...thanks for sharing) ----- Original Message ----- From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating advice Hi everyone! I've been asked to help stabilise some VERY old tapestry banners - if there are any embroiderers who think they have more of a clue than "north european, possibly 17h century" I'd be very happy to answer queries on them. More relevantly, the owner also has an exquisite embroidered waistcoat - I get a feeling it is early 19C but it is so vibrant I can't quite believe it. The construction is well illustrated by the photos as is the embroidery. It is still wearable but I've suggested it should be cleaned and packed away from light and other clothes in an acid-neutral environment. Anyone else - who knows more about men's costume - have more of an idea? It feels inspired by India but I couldn't tell you why... http://couthiecouturegallery.fotopic.net/ They're yummy to look at, even if you don't feel you can help :-) Katherine the vague, in a very sunny and cold Edinburgh "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Status: RO > As to the banners, I'd need a little more information as to > dimensions. I would suggest these may not be banners, rather orphry bands, > definitely ecclesiastical. Ah, that was my first thought too, but it was just a hunch so kept quiet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:17:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JH4e4002676 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JGv1I002358; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JGKhJ073063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JGIuE083997; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JGDlt083914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18J1ZgY002042 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 66.9.89.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54870.66.9.89.66.1139425295.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060208082843.01dd6ec8@127.0.0.1><20060208143940.QFZB9108.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> <53334.66.9.89.66.1139417142.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <00bd01c62cd2$4d566620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Thank you Bjarne but no, this is not the one. It was a men's waist coat and gloves from the 17th century. It is buried in my collection of glove links that I really need to clean out. But thank you for the link! Lovely dress. :) Chiara On Wed, February 8, 2006 11:08 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi Chiara, > The danish wedding? Is it the reconstrukted renaissance wedding > dress from > Kronborg? > The link is here: > http://www.ses.dk/sofiegalleri/ > But there is no link to any gloves, or did i miss something? > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:45 PM > Subject: Links RE: [h-cost] 17th Century Glove Pictures? > > >> Still looking for the danish wedding outfit with glove link, >> sorry. :( >> >> http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseAction=SM.nav&UUID=D69CF392-BC32-4DBD-8CBCA2C0FF8D78DF >> >> http://www.davidrumsey.com/amico/amico934716-18548.html >> >> http://www.geocities.com/stiobhard/glove.html >> >> http://www.gloveassociation.org >> >> http://search.concealedgarments.org/highlights.jsp;jsessionid=2ey8fk54bf5yi >> >> This image of a glove: >> >> http://search.concealedgarments.org/results.jsp?highlight=4 >> >> >> Gloves >> London, Batsford. 1982. Cummings, Valerie. >> (Starts at 1600. Cover Elizabethan gloves, and has reproduction of >> mid-17th-century patterns for gloves) >> >> >> Compte de l'Argenterie du Roi annee 1610: Rendus, par Me. Pierre >> Dela Bruyere Argentier. Sacre du Roy Louis Treize. A Pierre Robin >> Marchand de Drap - et Jean Royer Marchand drapier la somme de >> 17316 >> - 17 - 69...pour les fournitures qu'ils ont faits pour ; Paris C. >> 1715 [Paris, c. 1715] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas ---------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:17:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JHiWG002702 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JHcsb020708; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JH59g073166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JH4iK084734; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JH1Qg084664 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F6uoF-000Cr9-6x for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:15:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword References: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <009c01c62c65$e70ac6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<1C4N+l1Z4zNb0H4tRLrTWOkHBM>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA43D2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kids I know generally have wood, padded and then covered with leather. Works for both swords and axes, and looks period as well as being relatively safe. Jean Shane & Sheridan wrote >Hello everyone! > >I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks >here would have an idea or two. :-) >------------------------------ >Snip to relevent question: > >> On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short >sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture >or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered >acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at >halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber >dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey >pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone >knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. > >------------------------------ >Thanks in advance! > >Sheridan > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:20:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JKiVH002770 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:20:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JKc3v004424; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JJgZF073610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JJfTO087268; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JJbGa087215 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so131507wri for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DpdZDHxooXqMdNI5B0cQf41CD8ZeW+mUAXQLKCueudZZHhiSjzgszwjOxHNAGAlB5/6WLIB9UJSydcBvAsY4rYCRsTsNVRZWXtF0mIXxOJ4+onQs0xZxHARgSwLZ022TyQ+NPXFGyFEPMNqwVpu9hej6Ccq5JtrG+8nSf5CjJT4= Received: by 10.64.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr428262qbb; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:19:37 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JJbGa087215 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4486.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Dawn, Bjarne, I assumed that norah Waugh was using modern (possibly tailor's) terminology to describe what she saw. The expression wasnt in my jargon, either. I took it to mean blind catch stitching. I got an mid-19thc mans frock coat in my collection out and examined it. (Oldest relevant thing I have.) It has that same small inserted bit i the skirting, near the CB. The amount of skirting is obvious much less than the 1750s. The tailor of this 19th c jacket, formed the pleat, then, working from the inside, did a catch-stitch abt 1/2 to 1 cm from the fold to permanently shape the pleat. (Cant quite tell without ripping the lining.) Cut of Men's Clothes says to so this working from the hem towards the waist. I my experiments, I discovered that doing so keeps the hang in the right spot as errors magnify going hem-wards. Here's an amazingly bad ASCII drawing: inside of garment /------cb------\ right side pleat catch stitches at this point ^ \ / ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- outside of garment, viewer would be here Clear as mud? Originally, I thought it might be tailor's jargon for a french seam, but, as I had cut the jacket, the skirt almost-CB seam was hidden behind the pleats. Why dont you ask the Savile Row guy who runs to the cutting & tailoring blog? Post the answer for us, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:23:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JNqnf002831 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:23:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JNjHs006269; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JNMmu074153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JNKnf090774; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JNHjm090733 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B141A50077 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:23:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c62ce5$22817440$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Hi Marc, Gosh thanks a lot. You have made my days a head now. Lady Herringtons gloves has bullion roses........BULLION ROSES.............. Tada tada.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? > It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use... > > http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:39:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JdMgT003231 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:39:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JdFRO014122; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18JaVJX076364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JaM9V004368; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50207.mail.yahoo.com (web50207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18JaB2W004124 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 27342 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 19:36:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZVgBPXem1M8ik4I7atfATy2wN6rdY3SOTL7yve2DNS2cMWDThskq/sopddqq/+lKF9pAsJw9mmjgCMZzEvHB7+L3L24GyWKd7Nv1TNIUVwJXA4mzpuDXLl58BGjic07QkkOVzJsIndlia0AeGXgv7XdZeX4NcvUSWAdUIAAYCcs= ; Message-ID: <20060208193607.27340.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.148.43.79] by web50207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:36:06 PST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: Historic-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword (Shane & Sheridan) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA48E3.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO I am going to hazzard a guess here as a seamstress, not as an authority on 18th century men's wear. I would think that the fine drawing may mean a fine gathering stitch used to make the upper layer lay flat. I have done many curved seams though, and never needed to use that method, but it does help in getting sleeves into armholes (hidden gathering stitch, of course). Just a possibility. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:19 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing? Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point Ă¡ rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > > > Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two > references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric > by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's > already backstitched... does it? > > Can anyone clarify this for me? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 14:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JtexD003623 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:55:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18JtYPJ022521; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Jt37w079699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsvTO024980; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsXQe024427 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63F923BC9 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B094C for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:54:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] period fastenings Thread-Index: AcYswg3UhrVaKDZWTwS7iSrfucVnIgAHOyDw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 19:54:25.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[767C5660:01C62CE9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JsXQe024427 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:55:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4CB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello again! As I said earlier, I don't actually know of a book on the "history of fastenings", and I haven't specifically researched the questions you ask, but I am chronically unable to stick to one outfit/time-period in my costuming, so here's an overview of what I've picked up about the subject: I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure Robin has many more sources fo! r this period then I do :-) Italian Rennisance (~1480-1530) seems to be mostly lacing for women's dresses (both front/side openings and sleeves) based off of Elizabeth Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting: 1460-1500_ and Jen Thompson's research http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/flornotes/flornotes.html . Sometimes the buttons were laced though decorative metal eyelet-things (http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor5.html) rather then thread bound eyelet holes. Occasionally the paintings use gold coloring for the eyelet holes which suggests metal eyelets, however I don't think there are any extant, and metal eyelets were first patented somewhere in the 1825-40 range (and don't come into use for corsets until then). Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. I'm sure it's been discussed on this list before, but I'm not coming up with any web links to it. The hooks and eyes look very similar to modern hooks and eyes, though a bit heavier to my eye. Many of the buttons in the dresses Arnold studies are thread covered -- there is a description for how to do it: http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm I have not used these instructions myself, but a friend did. She said they took ~20 minutes per button to make. And lacing is still used to close some bodices (e.g. the Elenore de Toledo burial dress). At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher was...Not very helpful, I know! Fastenings for women's regency dress are predominantly drawstrings, pins and some buttons. The drawers (if worn) are tied together, the chemise has a drawstring (in what little info I could find for chemises), there aren't many extant petticoat/under dress things, but the one c1825 in _History of Underclothes_ by the Cunningtons' buttons together. All three closure methods can be seen on the outer dress, plus frogs for women's coats. My extant 1824 bodice has both a drawstring around the neck and buttons down the back. Fastenings for women's Victorian (1860s and 1870s) dress uses hooks and eyes far more then you would expect (there are times when the bodice closure is hooks and eyes but the bodice has buttons sewn on for decoration). However you do see back lacing for some ball gowns, and occasionally front lacing for dinner dresses, but most closures are center front and either hooks and eyes or buttons. The one petticoat I have from this period has both a drawstring and a button (however I'm not 100% convinced that the drawstring wasn't added later - I am suspicious that the petticoat was used in a theatre production...). Chemises may have no closure, or may be buttoned. I can't remember about drawers... Gibson Girl (1890s) through teens (based on my small collection of vintage women's garments) uses both hooks and eyes and snaps on the dresses. Buttons seem to be mostly decorative, though I do not own a tailored suit from that period, and I would guess those used button closures. FYI, there are many books that cover buttons in this time period, as they were a decorative element. I have 2 petticoats from this period, both have drawstring waists. The corset cover I have has a button front, and the butt-pad I have has ties for around the waist. Hope that helps! -sunny P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button references here are to buttons and buttonholes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:05:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K5e1i003904 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K5Xrr027203; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18K513V081759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K4uV0035750; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K4PlS035202 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 913DF47FF07 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:04:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:04:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4F0D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine drawing should be used. Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an extra pleat? Then she perhaps is meaning that this seam should be very accurately made with tiny stitches, to hold well, as there only is very little seam allowance here. For my gustavian suit, wich has this slash and extra pleat, i whipstitched the parts together, with very fine stitches. It perhaps is one of the most difficult places on a coat to make......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:06:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K69Qx003929 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:06:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18K63EL021837; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18K5JiY081809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K5JwU036210; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K5Bxs036065 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so142036wra for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Y5JeQGQg9TGQGe3UCWyRbz2A9jQFvLI8P8koMvZZP1AiVrtC/DID3nvdJaEkg0IrPYFfHhi6AFb5E9pB2SD5+erkCHE8WGnYVEYRGgWZDLIAcD+Jp/R0ruk3Jzjavz5oy2+4BH7VG6isptzfFUTadWcE4zXjSs6cgVWpmuReFA4= Received: by 10.64.208.19 with SMTP id f19mr1814724qbg; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from p4audrey ( [24.203.172.211]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e15sm3259631qbe.2006.02.08.12.05.09; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:05:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009501c62cea$f99ad0c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:05:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA4F2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for >> the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover >> edition) >> >> "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and >> then >> fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." The only definitions to fine-drawing that I can find are these: To repair a garment by invisible mending Fine-draw: To sew or close up, as a rent or seam, so delicately that joining cannot be noticed. ... to mend (torn edges) by drawing together with invisible stitches. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:36:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Kahbn004515 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KabiD009162; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18KZVtq085972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KZRrX067556; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KZODs067405 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:35:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2923A296A for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:35:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EA560C.5070002@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:35:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing References: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003801c62cea$dfd0f2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:36:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA5655.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine > drawing should be used. > Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to > make an extra pleat? It's for joining the center back seam above the pleats "working from the skirt opening upwards". The instructions for the pleats are in the next paragraph. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 15:54:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KsMeB004838 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:54:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18KsF2Q017621; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Krjea089804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KrcbV087706; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18KrXqn087529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F6wJZ-0004sz-AP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 Message-ID: <20060208145325.ow991ex0vb6sw000@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:25 -0600 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? 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Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi Marc, > Gosh thanks a lot. You have made my days a head now. Lady Herringtons > gloves has bullion roses........BULLION ROSES.............. Oh, wow! Is there a date for those? Looks like it *might* be late 16th C. Susan BTW, Marc, your link to "Hawking glove of Henry VIII is broken. :-( ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:12:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LCAHJ005168 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:12:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LC4Ll027005; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LBRO2093603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LBJ6a005830; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LBCca005629 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22656 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:41:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:41:33 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:12:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA5EA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about > anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and > Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic > fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The > book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that > I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal > buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't > come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the > buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the > metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes > such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't > remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source > is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for > lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure > Robin has many more sources for this period then I do :-) Maybe not, but I'll elaborate where I can ;-) First, I think it's important to distinguish layers here. Buttoning down the front of a dress seems to be typical only of the outer layer (the layer that might actually have been called a cotehardie in French) but not the inner layer (the fitted supportive dress, which could be worn alone or with an overdress). Laced fronts seem pretty much universal on the supportive (inner or single) layer. Sometimes the lacing is visible in images; sometimes it is not, which could simply mean that the artists did not conventionally render it, not that it was necessarily invisible to the eye. (I have never seen evidence of a back lacing of the supportive dress; if anyone ever finds such evidence, I'd like to see it.) Next, you need to distinguish time and place. Buttons down the front of overdresses seem to be common only in certain periods and regions -- I have this sense of seeing them much more often in English sources than French, for instance, and more often in the earlier versions of the fitted overdresses (say, to 1390 or so) than in the later ones. There also seems to be a regional/temporal variance in preference for whether to use buttons to fit the sleeves, and how many/how far up the arm. You can see a few buttons at the wrist or partway up the forearm quite early in the 14th c., with the upper half of the sleeve not fitted; then later you see the buttons go up past the elbow, making the entire sleeve fitted. Sometimes there are no visible buttons, suggesting that lacing or sewing-in was used to tighten the sleeves to the arm; in fact, buttons on the sleeve seem relatively rare after 1400 or so, but the sleeves remain extremely tight. The next distinction to make is class. The buttons you use would reflect the money you have to spend. The fabric buttons in the MOL's "Textiles and Clothing" book have gotten so much attention that some people don't realize that there's a much larger sample set of surviving buttons of other materials: metal, bone, horn (I think). Many examples of these are reproduced in the MOL's "Dress Accessories" book. I'd have to look up the various options, but I would expect wood to have been equally likely. Also, bear in mind that we don't know what kinds of garments the fabric buttons (or, for that matter, the laced eyelets) from the MOL book came from -- it is probably more likely that they are from a lower-class tunic than from a middle- or upper-class fitted dress, and equally likely to be from a man's garment as a woman's. If you've got an upper-class dress, you might want to think twice before doing fabric buttons. In particular, I don't think I'd choose fabric buttons for the front of a buttoned fitted overdress, which is an expensive garment; anyone wearing it could have afforded metal or another material. Bottom line: To determine whether and how to use buttons, lacing, etc., figure out what place, time, style, and class you're focusing on, and look specifically at sources that are the closest possible match. Remember that even in one style (in this case the fitted dress of 1350-1450) there are numerous variations in such things as bust height, skirt width, and neckline depth, as well as button/lacing use; ideally you would use a combination of features that are all consistent with a single period/place/class, not mixed-and-matched over a hundred-year stretch. (People of the period would no doubt have been as aware of these differences as we are of things like modern hemline length or waist height or shoulder size, which all vary over the years in modern fashions.) Oh, about those buttons attached through eyelet holes: This was apparently a means of attaching the buttons in some garments. The buttons were not sewn to the cloth, but were put through eyelets and then threaded through a ribbon on the inside. As far as I know the other part of the garment had conventional buttonholes, and was buttoned up as usual. It's suggested that this made it easier to remove the buttons for washing or for transfer to another garment (or to sell or give away). In any case, it does seem this would be a way of reducing wear to the cloth, and a logical move from the existing technology of lacing (which goes back at least to the 12th c.) to buttons. > Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold > studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the > late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. The image was of a famous court fool, I believe, but I forget who and when. > P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button > references here are to buttons and buttonholes. I have never seen any evidence for them in the Middle Ages, though a lot of people seem to assume them as a default. I have no idea why. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:29:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LT5hU006893 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LSwOI002481; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LSFgI096806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LS91W024268; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LS6Qf024088 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A25A0198; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:27:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 16:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:29:41 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pinker alert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA629A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18LT5hU006893 Status: RO Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k18LdZTq007626 Status: RO Hello! De-lurking for a moment . . . While perusing the web, I stumbled onto something called Italian linen, which can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/a826d Does anyone know how this would compare to Irish linen? Or is it just a different name for the same thing? Kate McClure Grand Pooh-Bah Beyond Reality Costumers Guild www.brcg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:49:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LnNRN007860 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LnGmh011003; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LmIkY000729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Lm7Zu045568; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18JsXfk024430 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2F3245DF for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B967ADD for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:54:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] period fastenings Thread-Index: AcYswg3UhrVaKDZWTwS7iSrfucVnIgAHOyDw From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 19:54:25.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[767C5660:01C62CE9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18JsXfk024430 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA675C.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello again! As I said earlier, I don't actually know of a book on the "history of fastenings", and I haven't specifically researched the questions you ask, but I am chronically unable to stick to one outfit/time-period in my costuming, so here's an overview of what I've picked up about the subject: I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic fitted dresses (usually referred to as cotehardies in the SCA). The book has enough instructions for how to make the fabric buttons, that I have done so based simply on that book. Somewhere I read that metal buttons could/were used on the front of the over-dresses (but I can't come up with an extant example off the top of my head) but that the buttons were so expensive that sometimes people would not attach the metal buttons but instead lace the buttons onto the dress via holes such as for lacing up the front of the dress. Unfortunately I can't remember _where_ I read this so I have no idea how reliable the source is. The _Museum of London_ book also shows hand-made eyelets for lacing down the front closure of the gothic fitted dress. I'm sure Robin has many more sources fo! r this period then I do :-) Italian Rennisance (~1480-1530) seems to be mostly lacing for women's dresses (both front/side openings and sleeves) based off of Elizabeth Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting: 1460-1500_ and Jen Thompson's research http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/flornotes/flornotes.html . Sometimes the buttons were laced though decorative metal eyelet-things (http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/3flor5.html) rather then thread bound eyelet holes. Occasionally the paintings use gold coloring for the eyelet holes which suggests metal eyelets, however I don't think there are any extant, and metal eyelets were first patented somewhere in the 1825-40 range (and don't come into use for corsets until then). Hooks and eyes were used extensively in the dresses Janet Arnold studied in the late 1500s, and I seem to remember a picture from the late-1400s early-1500s showing hook and eyes at the neck. I'm sure it's been discussed on this list before, but I'm not coming up with any web links to it. The hooks and eyes look very similar to modern hooks and eyes, though a bit heavier to my eye. Many of the buttons in the dresses Arnold studies are thread covered -- there is a description for how to do it: http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm I have not used these instructions myself, but a friend did. She said they took ~20 minutes per button to make. And lacing is still used to close some bodices (e.g. the Elenore de Toledo burial dress). At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher was...Not very helpful, I know! Fastenings for women's regency dress are predominantly drawstrings, pins and some buttons. The drawers (if worn) are tied together, the chemise has a drawstring (in what little info I could find for chemises), there aren't many extant petticoat/under dress things, but the one c1825 in _History of Underclothes_ by the Cunningtons' buttons together. All three closure methods can be seen on the outer dress, plus frogs for women's coats. My extant 1824 bodice has both a drawstring around the neck and buttons down the back. Fastenings for women's Victorian (1860s and 1870s) dress uses hooks and eyes far more then you would expect (there are times when the bodice closure is hooks and eyes but the bodice has buttons sewn on for decoration). However you do see back lacing for some ball gowns, and occasionally front lacing for dinner dresses, but most closures are center front and either hooks and eyes or buttons. The one petticoat I have from this period has both a drawstring and a button (however I'm not 100% convinced that the drawstring wasn't added later - I am suspicious that the petticoat was used in a theatre production...). Chemises may have no closure, or may be buttoned. I can't remember about drawers... Gibson Girl (1890s) through teens (based on my small collection of vintage women's garments) uses both hooks and eyes and snaps on the dresses. Buttons seem to be mostly decorative, though I do not own a tailored suit from that period, and I would guess those used button closures. FYI, there are many books that cover buttons in this time period, as they were a decorative element. I have 2 petticoats from this period, both have drawstring waists. The corset cover I have has a button front, and the butt-pad I have has ties for around the waist. Hope that helps! -sunny P.S. I do not know when buttons + loops were used -- all button references here are to buttons and buttonholes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:51:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LpaJX007901 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:51:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LpUK3011952; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:51:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Lp0Qp001534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:51:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Lowwp048993; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18K7AoJ038055 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247f2.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.242]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EEF0A262801 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:07:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005701c62ceb$48059560$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:07:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glove cuffs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA67E2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Forgive my ignorance, but i have no idea, and therefore ask stupid. But how was these scalloped cuffs for gloves made. Did they have wire in the edge, to make it stand? Does anybody know wich kind of seam is used to turn these scallopes? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:55:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Ltdc9007966 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18LtW7k013473; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LqMwT002037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LqJNM050731; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LZEAE031654 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.106.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.106] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6wxy-0003w5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA68D4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in the Canterbury Tales: "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone have other information about this? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 16:56:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Lu1F0007977 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:56:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Lts0T028594; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18LqhC0002229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LqcY8051126; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:52:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LnUjR047008 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.1e8.4aea0464 (15700) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D01 (fwm-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.193]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5443ea675837e; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7FB10A20CA07E-1764-19B6B@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.193) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602081338.k18DcbO3027206@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.193 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Child-friendly sword X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA68EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These are inexpensive and plastic, but look pretty good: http://www.anytimecostumes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Don't forget the question mark, it's part of the url. Tea Rose ------------------------------ From: "Shane & Sheridan" Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword ------------------------------ Snip to relevent question: > On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 17:08:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18M8toA008242 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:08:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18M8mXQ018847; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18Lxb1u003698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LxUD5058955; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18LxGPJ058672 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:59:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.51]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6xLF-0001MR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <21605220.1139435953984.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:59:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:08:51 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA6BF0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking in ignorance except as a costumer who worries about vulnerable seam-ends.... If "fine drawing" doesn't refer to what Cynthia describes (and for costumes in this general period I have done those catch-stiches to stabilize the pleat), then... it might be a reinforcing stitching buried in the seam crease. I do this at exactly this point, the lower end of the CB seam just above the pleat opening. It has to be done from the outside. I take a small running stitch (small but not the same length as the stitching already in the seam because doubling the thread thickness in the stitching holes would be counterproductive), alternating stitch placement from one side of the seam to the other. I've never tried an AASCI drawing before, but-- assuming a vertical seam in the center of this diagram, the stitches would run I_ _I I_ _I with the vertical part of the stitch inside the seam turnback and the horizontal part bridging the seam. Even if this stitch is done with double thread (which I use) it is virtually invisible once pulled (drawn) snug, but it adds good reinforcement to the vulnerable base of the seam, which can subjected to stress if the wearer sits wrong or if the fit of the body of the jacket is close-fitting. And as the quoted directions suggest, this stitching has to be done from the open end of the seam to the closed end so it doesn't distort the lie of the seam. I have no idea what this kind of stitching is called, but if somebody says "Yes, I bet that's fine-drawing," I'll willingly call it that! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Cin >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 2:19 PM >To: h-cost >Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? > >> I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for >> the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover >> edition) >> >> "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then >> fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > >Dawn, Bjarne, > >I assumed that norah Waugh was using modern (possibly tailor's) >terminology to describe what she saw. The expression wasnt in my >jargon, either. > >I took it to mean blind catch stitching. I got an mid-19thc mans >frock coat in my collection out and examined it. (Oldest relevant >thing I have.) It has that same small inserted bit i the skirting, >near the CB. The amount of skirting is obvious much less than the >1750s. The tailor of this 19th c jacket, formed the pleat, then, >working from the inside, did a catch-stitch abt 1/2 to 1 cm from the >fold to permanently shape the pleat. (Cant quite tell without ripping >the lining.) >Cut of Men's Clothes says to so this working from the hem towards the >waist. I my experiments, I discovered that doing so keeps the hang in >the right spot as errors magnify going hem-wards. >Here's an amazingly bad ASCII drawing: > > inside of garment > /------cb------\ right side pleat > catch stitches at this point ^ \ / >------------------------------------------------ >------------------------- > > outside of garment, viewer would be here > >Clear as mud? > >Originally, I thought it might be tailor's jargon for a french seam, >but, as I had cut the jacket, the skirt almost-CB seam was hidden >behind the pleats. > >Why dont you ask the Savile Row guy who runs to the cutting & >tailoring blog? Post the answer for us, too. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:49:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NnKef010726 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NnDn6024879; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NmNhr026130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NjIZ2076457; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NilsO075984 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:44:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.26]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F6yzO-00034z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7902562.1139442286188.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:44:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery dating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA8379.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This sounds really exciting. What an experience to be able to see and handle such stuff! ..... and am I the only one in a peculiar mood today, or did anyone else look at the subject line and think, "Embroidery dating -- how to help your embroidery find its perfect soul mate?" I think it's entirely too close to Valentine's Day.... ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsg5c011054 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsact026761; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMH026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18NMUYV052914; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18NMQIo052832 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 44199 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2006 23:22:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WVwbqKmotTGwY+VBoaHAQu7eT58fiUVaNVhYPZQ1Fg45JQpTgTgJtXy7p9lNM5ABzJFvw4z89sbxiPUntQsHiHmahDnyTaRGE8b2MQKDQaB3CbDeaLNVpWGQFejaTCjVey2ZPXIJmM47/hG1oqAnlSaqrylSL62nIpbwFP8IYZ4= ; Message-ID: <20060208232225.44197.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:22:25 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:22:25 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery dating - more info on the banners. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you to everyone who has helped so far: there is a lot of gold work that fits in with the or nue technique, so here is a more detailed description. (I have rejigged the photos - 1 to 8 is banner one, 9 onwards banner two). There are two banners and I forgot to measure them when I 'met' them on Monday. They are maybe less then 1m long and no more than 25-30cm wide. One has been surrounded by braid and velvet which I do not think is original but could be old-ish. What I found intriguing is the construction which you can partly see because the linen backing is loose where the thread has disappeared. There are two banners, one of which is more complex than the other. 1. Photos 1 to 8. This has not been bordered by the velvet. There are TWO layers of fabric embroidered - the top one has the geometric design and stumpwork, as well as the couched gold thread. Some thread is silver? (and has turned black) but there is a lot of gold. The background around the figures is in a diamond or herringbone textured pattern, while a lot of the figures has been sewn through the two layers in the colourful silk which you can see in pictures on the figures clothing and hair. Stumpwork forms the uprights of the architectural columns but I think this was covered in metal thread - it looks like crazy fine wire now blackened. The bottom figure which is only waist length is part of a different piece of fabric - you can feel the join - and there is no 'temple' design above it. Also the colour of the thread is different. The cords down the border edge of this panel are couched down and you can see bits of gold on them. The shots of the 'ghostly' figures are actually the back of this panel, rather than one unfinished. The silk hasn't faded here and there are some shockingly strong crimsons as well as peachy reds. Between the two layers of this is a crackled paste which seems to join and stiffen the original fabric - linen? Banner two has been joined loosely to the green velvet which is worn in places so re-used. I'm not aware of velvet vestments in my own (Orthodox) church but perhaps other traditions vary? There is no stumpwork an much less gold. The style of the haloes is very different and the background although still geometric, is not so elaborate as the first. Here there are also two layers joined by a (now cracked) paste but I don't want to open it more than a few stitches which have already dissolved. I hope this is of help for those knowledgeable souls who've been kind enough to help so far! Thanks again, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NshKr011055 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsbBA026372; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMJ026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18N79pJ035449; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18N71Nq035275 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23692 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:37:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:37:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". I've always read it as meaning "of a very fine material"; probably echoing in my mind with the use you hear in "embroidery ground" as meaning the base fabric on which embroidery is done. I have no idea whether this reading is justified; I've never much thought about it! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NslGv011061 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsftp032187; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMN026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MenTe005648; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Meian005479 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.248.691f6c4 (2612) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dune X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:44 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have been indulging guilty pleasures. I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I love because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] and again beautifully and perfectly designed by Bob Ringwood. Each planet has a look that has one foot firmly planted in an historical period. The Emperor's court looks like a space age Spanish Renaissance court. The doomed House Atrates bears more than a passing resemblance to Nicolas and Alexandria. The nasty House Harkonan is all plastic and protective wear but the Baron's reevers and collar on his vinyl coat look like a cross between Napoleon and Mad King George. [The "extended version" sux and is kinda like "Dune for Dummies"...with everything explained to you by a narrator who sounds like a cigar smoking trucker [instead of the Emperor's daughter like in the original version. All so unnecessary. I liked that some things were left hanging....or just implied] Anyway...with its story of the oppression of a desert people because their planet is the only place to find the most valuable substance in the universe, and their holy war to gain their independence from cruel occupiers, it all had very creepy overtones it didn't have when it came out. And "Arakis"...the name of the planet, is way too close to "Iraq". Yikes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsoFw011067 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18Nsi2B013930; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMR026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MOvPF088504; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MOsdi088442 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 4so6389nzn for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eXjwvTpeRiv++bl9cUucWVN5DUsSq+CyRSuZEXuom9rfSoH0qEjFW2I5ZhaWjZtWwWWZpMUmhAvfck1IzsJXERiWULPQBwa72sfec5YfhZP4GRTKqjKeS8X6pM2F41vwq72P4yeZtMaz58ujhaz+mJF4F1GaZ30/amH1Ptlz1D8= Received: by 10.64.83.19 with SMTP id g19mr388926qbb; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.3.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:24:54 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k18MOsdi088442 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: fine drawing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA84C4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine >drawing should be used. >Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an >extra pleat? I'm not sure either. All it says is "the back". Rather vague. >Then she perhaps is meaning that this seam should be very >accurately made with tiny stitches, to hold well, as there only is very >little seam allowance here. Waugh is quoting, sometimes paraphrasing, a mid-18th c tailor's manual. Fine drawing doesnt appear to be small stitches or reinforcement. Waugh/Garsault usually says buckram and or interlining if that's what she/he means. it may well be worth the original questioner's time to find Garsault's book. Perhaps he defines the term. Lalah's comment on ever so slight gather stitches may make sense at this slash area. I didnt use gathers as the tops of the pleats are supposed to lie very flat. The slash (hidden by folding pleats to the inside where it becomes the tiniest of holes) is concealed by a fancy button. I have a different crazy idea: suppose Waugh is talking about the center back seam, not the skirt vent. If you backstitches the seam by hand and pressed it open, the the CB, which takes alot of stress, would only be held by 1 line of stitches. It would be weak. If she means, press the CB seam to the right, then blind stitch or catch stitch the 3 layers (garment & 2 seam allowances) then there is an element of reinforcement. Seems like it would make the seam oddly stiff. This is not my favorite interpretation of the p88 paragraph. I chose to make the interlining strong and capable of taking all the stress of wearing. >... For my gustavian suit, wich has this slash and >extra pleat, i whipstitched the parts together, with very fine stitches. It >perhaps is one of the most difficult places on a coat to make......... Very very true! I covered the slashed edges with the teensiest band of silk organza to contain those stray silk satin fibres of the garment fabric. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 18:54:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsuEh011077 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NsoS9019313; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNMP026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18Mao2I001133; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MaiRC000910 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060208223638.ZUKH19876.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:38 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([219.89.161.87]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060208223637.KDZC1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.4]> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:37 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.3/254]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:36:39 +1300 Message-ID: <00b901c62d00$209cba70$0401010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <21605220.1139435953984.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? 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Status: RO > I do this at exactly this point, the lower end of the CB seam just above the pleat opening. > It has to be done from the outside. > assuming a vertical seam in the center of this diagram, the stitches would run > I_ > _I > I_ > _I > I have no idea what this kind of stitching is called, but if somebody says "Yes, I bet that's fine-drawing," I'll willingly call it that! I have seen it refered to as ladder stitch. I use it quite often, and was my first though when the initial instructions were to work from the outside. It's used to sew teddy bears and the like after you have stuffed them;) I also used it to join tabs to my doublet bodice. And sleeves to bodices if made up seperately;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com 6 days of digests to go through... oh boy;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 8/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 19:00:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19002YC011333 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:00:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k18NxuJN028506; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18NqNML026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MNDqQ086661; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k18MMvuE086375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-155.sonic.net [209.148.114.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k18MMsuT026389 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:22:56 -0800 Message-ID: <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:22:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:59:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA85FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one off and on. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 19:24:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k190O4Wd012328 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:24:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k190NtLr005034; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k190MEN3030854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k190JQ7D011682; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k190JN02011527 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA8201E8; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:19:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 19:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:21:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:24:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA8B9B.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain one of these. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going > down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a > phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the > titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about > the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one > off and on. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 20:42:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191gnGs015515 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:42:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191ghtE031407; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:42:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k191fMYw042939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191cxaw085417; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191ctcn085381 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so1563uge for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ANNbf1isXvStIwOat0dXRcOJV5O59gVAvqep2klBnvdoqZEWqSkR/l9l2NbMo6qhgbR8k1+R10sgkSSSkySZKaZ05oZsBWI+B1bh/VDflGRPrGKiiHXcEpFGINkOHZwfEVAU08bwanyalxc1RmRcLxBM2Ezdtv7qi8mCnutu6wA= Received: by 10.48.143.11 with SMTP id q11mr2156576nfd; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.221.19 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0602081738u365507a4g6da54fb8265f6de9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:38:54 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k191ctcn085381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:42:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA9E13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've also had good luck putting a wet felt hat into a ziplock bag, still slightly open* (a closed ziplock will explode), and microwaving it for 10-15 seconds. It skips the whole using the kettle thing but REMEMBER steam is HOT. The hat will be hot too. If it's an old hat you can wash it is before you steam/microwave it so you're not putting a dirty or stained hat on your head. Wash gently with shampoo, squeezing the water through. Rinse thoroughly. Once it's wet and hot, gently pull the felt onto the block. You may need some strength but don't tug. Wet felt is more fragile than dry felt and it will tear. And then you make a smaller hat with it. Best of luck. Making hats is really fun! LynnD On 2/6/06, kelly grant wrote: > If you have a wool hat, it's incredibly easy to steam it to the shape you > want! You need to find something that will be a good shape for a block, > like a flower pot. Make sure it's a good size to match your head size. > Remove all the addition hat stuff from inside the felt, like the hat band > and such. Then using you kettle, steam the inside of the felt and then pull > it down over the block. Keep trying until you get the desired shape. the > felt will move around quite a bit! > > Have fun! > Kelly in Nova Scotia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Pease" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:48 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Blocking a Wool Felt Hat > > > > I'm going to try and make a Tudor Style tall hat with the pleated crown. > > I > > went to the local GoodWill and they had a hat that fitted perfectly of > > 100% > > wool felt. Problem is that it is a domed crown rather than square. Is > > there > > a way to steam that crown and get it fairly fat? > > > > I intend to play with an thick interlining that I have to get the brim > > shape, then I'll cut the actual hat brim. > > > > Does this sound reasonable, or does it sound like it will be more work > > than > > simply creating the under-structure out the interfacing and paper and > > going > > from there? > > > > > > Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey > > Never attribute to malice what can as easily > > be attributed to simple social ineptness > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 20:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191mDWq015620 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k191m6Ge000735; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k191gSsI043089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191e7K8086329; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k191e4KG086276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-183.sonic.net [209.148.113.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k191e2PE013300 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:40:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43EA9D77.5020609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:40:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:48:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EA9F56.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran Lavolta Press http://wwww.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > one of these. > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:19:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JRpW016133 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JLQT011099; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192H0b2047693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192EeQJ016712; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192EblS016653 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.163] (acty1163.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.163]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32935C642 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43EAA583.1080807@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:14:27 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings References: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060208142217.80053.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k192EblS016653 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:19:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAA6A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >Perhaps I was not clear enough - when I was talking about petticoats, I meant mainly the 19th century of course. The fact is, I was asking if anyone knew a web page or a book where I could read something about fastenings in common - which kind of fastening was used in the middle ages, what in renaissance etc. > For example I'd like to know when did people start to use lace as a fastening - and when buttons. and how did the buttons actually look like? Were they from the same fabric as the garment, or could they have been made of metal? For such questions it is hard to find anywhere an answer. > > >Hi. Part of the reason is that, first, there may not be an existing starting date known for what you ask, and second, different items looked different and were made of differing materials as time went on. There are periods in which, looking at illustrations, sculptures, etc., one can determine that a certain item of clothing had begun to, lets say, be fastened by being laced, but that does not mean that the technique of lacing, for example, shoes did not predate it...Different garments and clothing items have come and gone in terms of fastening. For example, there are small shoe buckles being worn on some styles of shoes up until the 1530s or so, then they go out of style up until the late 1650s 0r early 1660s. Another example would be toggles, which, for a while, were common fasteners on shoes and perhaps purses, but were never (or, at best, rarely) seen on clothing (of which I am aware)until after the periods I reenact, although their close cousins, frogs, were. Another e! xample would be button shapes, which changed from different historical periods as well as cultures. > Any study of fastenings that wasn't done from an archaeological background (IMO), such as that book on the history of striped clothing and it's social meanings (I can't remember the title, not that it matters in the vein of this discussion)will, by it's nature, be rather incomplete and inconclusive. Most authors feel the need, one assumes, in order to sell the book to a wider audience, to make social commentary, which takes away from the purely scholarly aspect of such a work. Your best scenario, in this situation, would be to look at things on a case by case basis.There are many experts (or at least educated amateurs)within this list that can quote chapter and verse on their own areas of specialty, and assist you in their own ways. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:19:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JWni016134 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192JPNr029335; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192CTXB047081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192A8S0012643; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f21.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192A5Gv012562 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:10:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:10:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:10:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.47] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200602082237.k18Mb1rq001349@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:10:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 02:10:04.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0E4DD30:01C62D1D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 17th Century Glove Pictures? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAA6AD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >BTW, Marc, your link to "Hawking glove of Henry VIII is broken. :-( I'll try to get it fixed tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:41:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192fvLv016782 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:41:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192fowr019180; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:41:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192fNvd050317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192cfq8036805; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192cbYt036667 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB2602E0; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 21:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c62d22$2fc649e0$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:40:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:41:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAABEE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Checking the instructions given here, do note that all of the buy-it-now items are art prints! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > If you go to ebay's Collectibles/Vintage Sewing category, without going > down into Tools, and search on pinking machine as two words (not a > phrase), searching for those words in the listings as well as the > titles, there are about ten pinking machines are listed. Which is about > the usual number for any given day on eBay. I've thought of getting one > off and on. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi all, I forget who it was who was interested in a 19th C Pinker. There is another up on eBay right now. You will find it listed under Sewing tools. This looks to be pretty much the same as the one I found two weeks ago. > > > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 21:50:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192opMs016930 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:50:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k192oirh021954; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k192nMLx051425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192l1jK043147; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k192kw8a043045 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD1A02DC; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:46:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Feb 2006 21:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c62d23$5a1579e0$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c62cf6$c826c9c0$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA6F43.2090003@lavoltapress.com><000b01c62d0e$ba897340$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <43EA9D77.5020609@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:48:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:50:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAAE04.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What I like about the nifty tool that I got is that the edging results on soft cotton is a rather dainty feathered effect, On stiffer fabric, it gives the expected sharp zig-zag- pattern. My present project is mainly h-costume inspiration doll clothing and the results for ruschings is simpler but elegant strips that do not require more ornamentation or time to turn the edges. I have plans for Ordinary costume seam finishing to look forward to. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for > pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). > That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on > eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > > What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > really works well for that? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > > of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > > one of these. > > Kathleen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 23:06:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1946UBR018444 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:06:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1946IjQ014671; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:06:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1945hZ7063841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1943HdY011962; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1943DEq011895 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:03:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.37.57 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.37.57] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20676887.1139412861398.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Subject: Re: [h-cost] period fastenings Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:03:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:03:12 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 04:03:13.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF3A6010:01C62D2D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EABFBA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1946UBR018444 Status: RO Thanks, Annette, for putting that great link to the art work of Carlo Crivelli in your article on fastenings. http://www.eleanorlebrun.com/closure.htm Not only have they collected really good reproductions of his works from all over the world, they also enable close-ups of all the interesting details. Three other artists (who seem to be followers of his) are also on the site. Unfortunately, it's all in Italian, sponsored I think by the region of Italy where he lived and worked, and I can't figure out if there are other artists hiding there. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 8 23:57:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k194vQtb019414 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:57:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k194vJP9030112; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k194uP5q078195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k194s4xG062231; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k194s1MQ062189 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B6BD0E for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:54:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060208204919.032baab0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:50:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] period fastenings In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agil ent.com> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B075158A6@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:57:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EACBAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:54 AM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >At Costume College 2003 there was a class on Medieval and Rennisance >fastenings, which was fascinating, but there were neither handouts, nor >can I find a reference to it on-line, so I can't tell you who the teacher >was...Not very helpful, I know! Hehe... I have a picture of the gentleman who gave that class. It was very good and I took many notes. Peter Worden: Closure in the European Renaissance http://www.kimiko1.com/CC2003/pages/instr04_24.htm Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 02:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k197F72C024354 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:15:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k197ExwB004848; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k197EKXL094936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k197BuE7072253; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k197BqNZ072195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 521C1D437A; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.30]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB88D4164 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:11:17 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c62d48$18a8d1d0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602090454.k194s5jP062249@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k197BqNZ072195 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Embroidery dating - more info on the banners. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:15:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EAEBF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Katherine, Given the dimensions you have cited, these embroideries are definitely orphry bands, not banners, worn around the neck, and over a cope, by a priest. >1. Photos 1 to 8. This has not been bordered by the velvet. There are TWO layers of fabric embroidered - the top one has the geometric design and stumpwork, as well as the couched gold thread. This method was often used by professional houses in order to complete extensive orders quickly, in that the embroidery was broken down into parts, with embroiderers working on each part simultaneously, and then the parts assembled. >Some thread is silver? (and has turned black) but there is a lot of gold. Indeed silver thread was used, not often, but it was used. There is also the possibility some of the silver thread may in fact be inferior quality gold thread which was applied at a later date, either as a repair, or as an embellishment. >The background around the figures is in a diamond or herringbone textured pattern, while a lot of the figures has been sewn through the two layers in the colourful silk which you can see in pictures on the figures clothing and hair. Both of these methods are typical of a great deal of opus anglicanum done by professional houses. >Stumpwork forms the uprights of the architectural columns but I think this was covered in metal thread - it looks like crazy fine wire now blackened. Again, this is a common practice in a great deal of opus anglicanum. Sometimes the stumpwork was so raised that wooden supports were underneath. >The bottom figure which is only waist length is part of a different piece of fabric - you can feel the join - and there is no 'temple' design above it. The entire orphry may in fact be made up of salvaged parts of other pieces of ecclesiastical embroideries. The 'temple' as you describe it, is common to much of opus anglicanum embroideries, known as arches. Many of the arches were cinquefoil in design, although certainly trefoils were used to represent the trinity. >Also the colour of the thread is different. The cords down the border edge of this panel are couched down and you can see bits of gold on them. Which leads me more and more to suspect the orphry is married pieces of salvaged embroideries. This was also a common practice, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries. >Between the two layers of this is a crackled paste which seems to join and stiffen the original fabric - linen? This is fish glue, or sometimes rabbit's foot glue (inferior), used to secure all the thread ends that would have been left after embroidering, and to give some stiffness to the embroidery. It also becomes an excellent food base for insects. Do not under any circumstances dampen the embroideries, as you will dissolve the glue and perhaps completely destroy the embroidery. Only professional restoration houses can undertake such a delicate operation, done on special washing tables that support the textile which delicate washes of de-ionized, de-mineralized water are allowed to flow and drain. It is to be stressed this method is only used as a last resort, when a textile is extremely dirty or infested. Otherwise fine gauze is placed over the textile and a low-pressure vacuum used with the utmost delicacy. >I'm not aware of velvet vestments in my own (Orthodox) church but perhaps other traditions vary? The famed and peerless Burgundian Vestments are prepared on a red silk velvet. These date to the 15th century. >Here there are also two layers joined by a (now cracked) paste but I don't want to open it more than a few stitches which have already dissolved. See above. How is that you have come to be commissioned to restore these pieces? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 08:26:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19DQPG6027876 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:26:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19DQI81029571; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19DMQbv059682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19CRVXh011830; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19CRRxw011700 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.20d.1232a540 (4254) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.1232a540.311c8f26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:27:18 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Good Woman X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:26:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB42FA.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of movies--I went to see "A Good Woman" last night. For those not familiar with it, it is a re-writing of Oscar Wilde's "Lady Windemere's Fan" set in Italy in the 1930s. It is visually stunning--great clothes, and they even figure in the plot! And the screenwriters kept the great Oscar Wilde zingers. Stephen Hunter, the Washington Post critic, likened it to moving around the furniture--the lines are there, but perhaps in different places. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 09:02:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19E2k9R028463 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19E2e2e011892; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19DurKc071196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:56:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19DsTo9087783; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19DsP5J087686 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F7CFb39Xq-0002xt; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01ab01c62d80$54d90390$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Very OT: Cheat Sheet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB4B80.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k19E2k9R028463 Status: RO This is very off topic but I thought maybe this could save you some time... so that you could do some sewing, chatting on h-costume, or other important things in life. I heard this on the news yesterday. A website has a cheat sheet on how to get a real live human-being on the phone when dialing a frequently called businesses and govt. offices in the U.S. This bypasses most prompts and you really get to speak to a person! Cheat Sheets at Get Human.com : http://www.gethuman.com/us/ Please feel free to pass this URL on to your friends. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 10:54:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19FsG2C030444 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:54:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19FsAxg003394; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19Flafv092341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19Fhuvf096866; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FhqKF096731 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.28]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7DxT-0002U5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:43:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:54:13 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB65A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Lavolta Press >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 8:40 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > >I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for >pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). >That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on >eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > >What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that >really works well for that? > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >> Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways >> of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain >> one of these. >> Kathleen >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 11:03:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19G35HL030575 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:03:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19G2xFS008610; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19G1FlY095893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FwV4p013900; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19FwQam013689 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A69A0238; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:58:18 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Feb 2006 10:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:00:04 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB67B3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah alas, these are for paper Only. I have a friend that uses a rotary cutter that comes with a variety of blades for fancy cuts. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Lavolta Press > >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 8:40 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > > > >I've been tempted, off and on, to bid on one of those crank models for > >pinking trimmings (I don't generally like to finish seams that way). > >That's why I've been reassured to see there's always a good selection on > >eBay (although I'm sure some of them are rusty and/or dull). > > > >What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > >really works well for that? > > > >Fran > >Lavolta Press > >http://wwww.lavoltapress.com > > > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > >> Thanks Fran, I love the one I got and didn't think of some of the other ways > >> of listing to find one of the same for other people who might like to gain > >> one of these. > >> Kathleen > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 11:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19GDQO8030707 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:13:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19GDKho014211; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19GBB9u097943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19G8Sp9025172; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19G8N1G024952 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 83026 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 16:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 16:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:08:12 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB6A20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Maybe I was reading into the lyrics, but it seemed to me that there was an "ask the freaky king for a whopper your way" line in there. liz young otsisto wrote: > Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character creeps > me out. > De > Former McDonald's crew. > > -----Original Message----- > Dawn, > > My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King that > I would like. > > During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school and > one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. > When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not to > complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion World, > "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this ad > looks very Busby Berkley-ish. > > My favorite was the onion costume. > > Penny E. Ladnier > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 13:39:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19Id7ks001271 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:39:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19Id05t016776; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19IaqCQ022192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19IYYMt075453; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19IYT6E075365 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 22903 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 18:32:45 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:32:45 -0800 Received: from 63.202.5.162 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35507.63.202.5.162.1139510174.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000b01c62d91$e74b08c0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:39:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EB8C44.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Ah alas, these are for paper Only. I have a friend that uses a rotary > cutter > that comes with a variety of blades for fancy cuts. I bought a wavy rotary cutter to use for 18th c. edging. I haven't used it on a whole outfit but the inital testing worked well. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 15:06:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19K6A2O002728 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19K63NQ026034; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19K5KjJ037431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19K18Ye065944; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19K0klu065413 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61364 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2006 20:00:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ny0prdDAb08qVC3YsG+K0uuA3OMnP2Q85gARTJmtI2Mv0ikjJ15lnER76l/g71KqgK2cUCsDW7wcOLaEVeCsow0bekq7/EJXJSrYzhTu9wCM0r72NHwWYi7iBfhxuw/JdlNSinkvT786KZuGA0V0JzgRmuDeu421AqHdCkCzpOU= ; Message-ID: <20060209200036.61362.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:00:36 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:00:36 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] re: embroidery dating - more info... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:06:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBA0AB.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Lorina [much snippage!] Thank you so much for all your help - I have spent a few hours researching "orphrey" bands and copes and can see how closely these resemble the 15C museum pieces on the web. Wow. I knew they were special but I think, after all, that they are extremely special and definitely museum quality pieces, whether they've been faffed about after construction or not. >Only professional restoration houses can undertake >such a delicate operation, I am recommending that I do absolutely nothing to them (reluctantly) since they are way beyond the original inquiry, which was just to sew bits of them back up so they could be hung on the wall again... !! I've put my client in touch with professional conservators who are qualified to deal with such amazing pieces and a framer who can put it into a suitable acid-neutral environment behind UV-proof glass. (unless, of course, he decides to donate them to a museum. Since the V&A haven't even acknowledged the last thing he sent I have my doubts). >How is that you have come to be commissioned to >restore these pieces? Ah - the customer also collects antique books and these were part of a collection owned by a late friend of his. His bookbinder (an amazing craftsman) is a friend of mine and when he asked if said bookbinder knew anyone who could carefully sew things together... I've previously done repairs to vestments in church, matching brocade motifs invisibly etc., since charcoal sparks have a fatal attraction for the front of the priest's phelonion (or cape)! Since I'm even worrying about the small repairs to an 1870s bustle outfit I have just bought, there's no way I'd touch these. I'm going to try and sketch them and take more notes though, since they are truly droolsome. When I've done that, I'll be sure to let you all know so you can 'visit' again. Cheers, I'm truly grateful, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Status: RO At 20:00 09/02/2006, you wrote: >Dear Lorina > >[much snippage!] > >Thank you so much for all your help - I have spent a >few hours researching "orphrey" bands and copes and >can see how closely these resemble the 15C museum >pieces on the web. Wow. I knew they were special but I >think, after all, that they are extremely special and >definitely museum quality pieces, whether they've been >faffed about after construction or not. > > >Only professional restoration houses can undertake > >such a delicate operation, > >I am recommending that I do absolutely nothing to them >(reluctantly) since they are way beyond the original >inquiry, which was just to sew bits of them back up so >they could be hung on the wall again... !! I've put my >client in touch with professional conservators who are >qualified to deal with such amazing pieces and a >framer who can put it into a suitable acid-neutral >environment behind UV-proof glass. (unless, of course, >he decides to donate them to a museum. Since the V&A >haven't even acknowledged the last thing he sent I >have my doubts). > > > >How is that you have come to be commissioned to > >restore these pieces? > >Ah - the customer also collects antique books and >these were part of a collection owned by a late friend >of his. His bookbinder (an amazing craftsman) is a >friend of mine and when he asked if said bookbinder >knew anyone who could carefully sew things together... > I've previously done repairs to vestments in church, >matching brocade motifs invisibly etc., since charcoal >sparks have a fatal attraction for the front of the >priest's phelonion (or cape)! > >Since I'm even worrying about the small repairs to an >1870s bustle outfit I have just bought, there's no way >I'd touch these. I'm going to try and sketch them and >take more notes though, since they are truly >droolsome. When I've done that, I'll be sure to let >you all know so you can 'visit' again. Katherine Any chance of taking a pattern off that waistcoat while you have access to it. Even the front would be good. 'Scuse my cheek! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:06:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19N68Ss005718 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:06:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19N62rF014371; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19N5IFa073597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19N2ll1058563; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:02:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19N2fvW058484 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k19MxgjG012489 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200602090454.k194s5jQ062249@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBCADA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran) I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order $40 tool was required! As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and nobody cleaned or sharpened them? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:14:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NEE2B005826 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:14:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NE8iJ017857; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19ND8eG075012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NAkrL066832; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NAgk3066702 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.da.35e0bd53 (39952) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:10:24 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pinking shears X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:14:11 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBCCC0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/9/06 7:04:48 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > And > how would you sharpen something like that anyway? When I got my first pair of pinking shears (just normal zig-zaggy ones) I was told they can be professionally sharpened once, and that's it - any more and they can't guaratee that the teeth will still meet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 18:57:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NvL6p006450 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:57:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k19NvFHr000342; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k19NunVN080768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NsJc2007121; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19NsE9X007042 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B604D338DA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:54:13 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:54:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBD6DB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have found that the scalloped worked okay on broadcloth and lightweight. It was used for the decorative parts of a costume. It may have been that they became dull with their first use because there were times the edge was fray checked before the cut and so, they did not cut heavy material, kind of gnawed the edge. De -----Original Message----- Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 19:14:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0EID8006762 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:14:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ECCG005969; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:14:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0ChKL082716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0AKet020832; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1A0AHEi020689 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:10:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95845 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 00:10:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ikc0OJWzf7Jct79AwLuJeEbLApDmGbT4NpgRHLTjnuc9NMmjlpH5PFvmO5EN6K7jTOFgPLFVZcxsuje1LPt9ws1tYEIhz0TmdFd7lGJJEESe7oj/526PoUp8cdaRt87fiKVsaOrQ5GKiv71XoQXRQESFpDxIXovnWh9ccndS2KQ= ; Message-ID: <20060210001003.95837.qmail@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:10:03 PST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: RE: [h-cost] pinker alert- fancy sissors To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:14:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBDAD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I used the really fancy edged ones on fabric which had been applied to lightweight fusible glue. It made a nice edge and the fusible didn't seem to gum up the blades at all. --- otsisto wrote: > I have found that the scalloped worked okay on > broadcloth and lightweight. > It was used for the decorative parts of a costume. > It may have been that > they became dull with their first use because there > were times the edge was > fray checked before the cut and so, they did not cut > heavy material, kind of > gnawed the edge. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of > pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of > designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them > advertised only in art-supply > catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to > paper. I'm always tempted > to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, > deep pink, > deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated > dags...and can't afford to > buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried > them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 19:35:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ZdKF006992 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A0ZXJ2013501; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:35:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A0Teg3084898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0RHbv035835; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A0R6Bo035732 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:27:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (unknown [69.69.164.212]) by smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D6932C037 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:27:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:26:21 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <000701c62dd8$ae5eebc0$0500a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBDFD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO <> I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 21:12:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A2Cjsh008308 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:12:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A2CdhA013129; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:12:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A2BbWs095073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A29ClF016495; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A299xf016395 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.35.65.123] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.35.65.123]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 18:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: <43EBF5C3.7030708@msn.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:09:07 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Linen References: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FDEE@denpexmb01-dex-bup> In-Reply-To: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15D01A8FDEE@denpexmb01-dex-bup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 02:09:03.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6FA88E0:01C62DE6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:12:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EBF697.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I believe I actually ordered a swatch of this. It was not very fine, but rather more like the Russian medium weight linen you get at http://www.fabrics-store.com/ But this is not to say all Italian Linen is like this. The swatch service is fast and cheap and totally worth the money.... Sg McClure, Kate wrote: >Hello! > >De-lurking for a moment . . . > >While perusing the web, I stumbled onto something called Italian linen, >which can be found here: > >http://tinyurl.com/a826d >Does anyone know how this would compare to Irish linen? Or is it just a >different name for the same thing? > >Kate McClure >Grand Pooh-Bah >Beyond Reality Costumers Guild >www.brcg.org > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 22:20:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3KOb7009353 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:20:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3KDBW001523; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:20:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A3J9DP003226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3Gkpk065636; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1A3GhnX065573 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 89482 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 03:16:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yabSNw5jvtkxFNTDHYqHiZjwSo7TSepxTvGNSUBJiZ83IjdjVWTGey8ajdKYQkFK0KskwL29mqoCwjsUY2b75ZJLLKDZNcxnxebwzVk6LBLQBtYhsBE/bpzKhoePfRGVl4qb7yxCUS9dh7uhe2v6c9EMyGF20lYJPl+4nIWnNrA= ; Message-ID: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:16:37 PST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <43EA71EB.8090500@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC066D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for this passage so he can read it in context. --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's > got on her head in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word > "ground" in the first > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could > translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very > fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but > perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! > Does anyone have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 9 22:36:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3aCkF009604 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:36:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A3a6IV006472; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:36:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A3ZlI7005019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3XOkR078690; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:33:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A3XKj1078608 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05338 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:03:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:03:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC0A26.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's > > got on her head ... Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in her book on "Chaucer and Costume," which has chapters on most or all of the secular pilgrims. (The religious and academic pilgrims are addressed in the sequel, "Chaucer and Clothing.") (Melanie, you may have already met Laura at K'zoo, and she'll be there this year too.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 00:31:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5VdhS011016 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5VWxW009122; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A5Uqw2017082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5SRGV061412; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5SOfU061327 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A47003CC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:28:16 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 00:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c62e03$0a2def80$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c62dd8$ae5eebc0$0500a8c0@genteelarts> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:29:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:31:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC2534.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO and my 'new' one sure works like new. I was surprised how sharp the cut was.. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking > < that actually works?>> > > I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. > > Carolann Schmitt > cschmitt@genteelarts.com > www.genteelarts.com > Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 00:38:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5cZ31011085 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A5cTKJ010842; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1A5c7km017865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5Zktj066723; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A5ZgAP066642 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A627030C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:35:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 00:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c62e04$0dd2bf20$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:37:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC26D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, have any of you had a problem using someone else's scissors? It is kid of like a lefty using mine, or me using theirs. Some how, using a person's cutting tool is never quite like using one's own. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking > > > (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard > rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that > really works well for that? Fran) > > I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan > Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can > make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: > http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new > 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap > alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people > looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order > $40 tool was required! > > As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one > that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now > defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and > they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your > seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and > nobody cleaned or sharpened them? > > Martha > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 08:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADF3UM017329 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADEvek026562; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADEB1P086286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADBjGa078315; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ADBed0078235 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 66411 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 13:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 13:11:39 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC91D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator friend, and see what I can see. Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course find out what I'll be allowed to see!! A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 08:32:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADWNAa018519 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ADWHTc000430; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADVQMQ087500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADT4GT089911; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ADT0kv089858 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27380 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 13:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 13:28:59 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210132616.01dde5c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:27:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC95E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry, got distracted booking the flights, and forgot to put a header. >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:02:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE2Hv6020480 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE29nX012376; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ADvwoc090559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADsk9T010011; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ADsgBX009852 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.144.56211087 (62976) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:54:28 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9CE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What period are you interested in? I can make some suggestions. I don't think there are any reasonably priced hotels within walking distance, but you can look for an outlying hotel that is either near a Metro stop or has shuttle service to a Metro stop. There is also a hostel somewhere in downtown DC--I'm sure you can find that through a web search. If you are interested in early 19th century, please come see us at Riversdale--we are a historic house museum that interprets primarily 1801-1821. Alas, we have no costume collection. We are on a bus line that comes from a Metro stop. Ann Wass Riversdale House Museum 4811 Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park MD 20737 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE8dxW020952 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AE8Y5M014775; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AE81jE091791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AE5dDk018824; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AE5Zde018736 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09534 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:36:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:36:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:36 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9E62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > friend, and see what I can see. If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved six years ago, sorry. I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are extraordinarily ritzy. Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery Place stop. So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville (on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 09:14:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AEEvCW021416 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AEEpIT017632; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AEE3HC092479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AEBfA8023189; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AEBblE023135 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3164 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 14:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 14:11:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210140638.01dd7628@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:09:34 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re Washington DC In-Reply-To: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EC9FDB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:54 10/02/2006, you wrote: >What period are you interested in? I can make some suggestions. > >I don't think there are any reasonably priced hotels within walking >distance, but you can look for an outlying hotel that is either near >a Metro stop or >has shuttle service to a Metro stop. There is also a hostel somewhere in >downtown DC--I'm sure you can find that through a web search. > >If you are interested in early 19th century, please come see us at >Riversdale--we are a historic house museum that interprets >primarily 1801-1821. Alas, >we have no costume collection. We are on a bus line that comes from a Metro >stop. > >Ann Wass >Riversdale House Museum >4811 Riverdale Rd. >Riverdale Park MD 20737 Ann That's a lovely invitation - thank you. I'm interested in most periods, as I make everything except 20th century and modern. It will rather depend on how long we are in Washington - yet to be decided in consultation with our hostess. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:07:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AG70ES005034 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:07:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AG6sk6018597; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:06:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AG5jCE007667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG3KPK022279; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ZmM+CmYI5FEyft2HNYAGcQGSW4p4iJYR@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG3Fo8022181 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.222] (206-124-5-222.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.222]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k1AG1Q317687 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:01:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:06:57 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECBA1E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went out of style really fast. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGCDLM005950 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGC74a021739; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGBPZc009122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG8aKR028469; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AG8WnM028298 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.79.554410e1 (3874) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <79.554410e1.311e1476@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:08:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > Don't forget the National Gallery, A truly great art museum....with a room full of el Grecos, 4 Vermeers, a portrait by Leonardo and one by Holbein [you see those all the time, right? :-P] my fave Gainsborough [Mrs. Sheridan] and Whistler's "Symphony in White". And the East Wing has a room of Calder sculptures and lots of Rothkos, which I love. I think around the time you're there a big Rousseau exhibit will be there too. None of that had to do with costume and clothes but this does.... You MUST see the Museum of the American Indian!!! It is amazing! And full of amazing garments. It's so beautiful, even before you walk in. It's right next to the smooth, shiny, sleek, rectangular, right-angled, polished stone Air and Space museum. But it is earthy yellow, rough hewn, curving, with zero right angles. There is flowing and cascading water all around and it was landscaped with maize and tobacco. Inside, everything is designed. The exhibits are unusual and beautiful. There isn't one for clothes but garments are everywhere...mainly in the tribal religion exhibits on the 4th floor. My fave garment is from a Northern Canadian tribe: a parka made of seal intestine. It looks just like a regular parka: y'know mid thigh length and a hood and all. But it's composed of horizontal strips a few inches wide that are translucent, like wax paper. I'll bet it's water proof. And a South American tribe weaves these cotton poncho-like shirts with intricate 3-D geometrics in white on white woven into the fabric. So beautiful! I want one. The cafeteria and gift shop have unusual and wonderful stuff [but of course expensive...but, what the hell, you only live once]. A friend of mine had just had a baby; I almost got her a cradle board for her papoose. [I should have] Anyway..have fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGGtBG006929 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGGn3Y024404; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGGDhh009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGDVM3033605; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGDR3m033456 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 6.238.6a53846 (15901) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d43ecbb9e8b; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> References: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:13:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECBC71.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1AGGtBG006929 Status: RO What a shame! All that work and investment just sitting around without a home. If you don't find a "human" home for them, maybe you can donate them to the local humane society, they can probably use them as "snuggle toys" for the caged critters. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell > a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one > wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization > I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went > out of style really fast. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 11:39:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGdBmg011302 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AGd6Nx004973; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AGcatT012517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGaEpu055846; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fsmail.lynchburg.edu (fsmail.lynchburg.edu [161.115.184.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AGa8KY055736 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formo@lynchburg.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Washington DC Thread-Index: AcYuXWTQxaWVhLYPQ5m3Jve1+2UuigAARX6A From: "Formo, Nathan" To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AGa8KY055736 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECC1AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's basically 2 blocks from everything. 1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. 2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock CafĂ© 1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station 2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm The rates are of course a little more expensive then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we haven't yet found anything cheaper and more conveniently located. If you've got a group going you can't beat some of their larger room prices. I always recommend this to friends and family. We've never had any problems walking around at night and since it's so close to everything we save quite a bit on transportation. Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks away. We unload at the hotel and then send someone to go park the car while the others check in. Once you park just leave the car until your stay is over. There's no reason to try driving around DC if you don't have to. BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson Barony of Black Diamond >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] O.T. >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 12:39:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AHdf1g022862 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AHdZ7j005507; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AHcONb021943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHZXV2016817; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AHZQhm016613 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 90944 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 17:35:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aiEHvU639lHgRpM9Wr/nFWa5a7u0Xw9HhhYup3bcKnWXl/wX2wy0CBboCzRpnM31PfvkD2yTPJdAOvjneGLsx/La6pUVZoJnMUPASCv+93liJ9BCX2jXWH64QgIsjA91wekcbX6P4jeDScu3ZG3LwjrpMjAs7OjuAcLIsXacNkw= ; Message-ID: <20060210173521.90942.qmail@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.253.110.161] by web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:20 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:39:38 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECCFD7.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could you possibly transform them into something else? What if you sewed them in rows onto a base and made a fluffy throw? Or a floor pillow? Cut them up the middle and you have fringe you could apply to another block of fleece and make a poncho. --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas > that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them > all. I did sell a > few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of > them and no one wants > them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an > organization I might > donate them to? They're really warm but > unfortunately, went out of > style really fast. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:07:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AI6wuM028277 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AI6qCp020091; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AHwn7A024752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHtFkX037565; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHtAFR037374 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15ACA296B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:55:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ECD393.3010904@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:55:31 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-donating to charity References: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <19cd7c5f62873facdac869e2b88f5dbd@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:06:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD63C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell a > few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one wants > them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization I might > donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went out of > style really fast. My suggestion would be a senior center or shelter that hands out coats in the winter. Scarves would probably be welcome there, too. Sometimes radio stations do coat drives, if you called around you might get contact info. You can also look for the Freecycle group in your area (freecycle.org) and ask on the message board. I see folks from smaller charities on our group all the time. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:12:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AICuda029376 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AICpBp023418; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AICOtT026792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AI9Yip052566; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19G2ulJ018921 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB8Y35XACSSXEA for (sender ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LGSFRSMG; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:00:56 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:44:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering Message-ID: <20060209.075959.3556.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:865136378 X-MAIL-INFO: 1597abdbabda9afada9aca4a9aca2b9b1fba87b75a33babe3bf35a13be172acfbef7aa7797ae97d363ca1a9a974a X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgios/LtXEC6inlrFtz92NPY= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:12:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD7A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could 'ground' refer to a ground fabric in the embroidery sense of the word? In this period, likely being linen? Arlys, who hasn't a clue On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler writes: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:17:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIH5pp030131 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIGx3o025553; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIGbeK027272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AICo5h055403; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19G6jJ3023075 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A203A296B for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:06:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:06:55 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD89B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner I have a pair I bought when I made my wedding invitations, and I didn't think they were all that good on paper. The handles were small and hurt my hands -- though they cut ok -- I found them unpleasant to use. They probably would have worked on fabric when new, but they won't now. And how would you sharpen something like that anyway? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIMQQJ030454 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIMKwB028717; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AILuOr028876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIIrrq060902; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail3.cwo.com [209.210.78.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19GgsCe061671 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roses@cwo.com) Received: from webmail.cwo.com (web3.cwo.com [209.210.78.47]) by mail.cwo.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19GgKJk014951 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:20 -0800 Received: from 205.225.207.97 (SquirrelMail authenticated user roses) by webmail.cwo.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <39495.205.225.207.97.1139503374.squirrel@webmail.cwo.com> In-Reply-To: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> References: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECD9DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I heard that too, and thought like you that maybe I was reading that into the lyrics. I feel he is creepy too. Steph Maybe I was reading into the lyrics, but it seemed to me that there was > an "ask the freaky king for a whopper your way" line in there. > > liz young > > otsisto wrote: >> Of late their commercials are a bit weird IMO. And the King character >> creeps >> me out. >> De >> Former McDonald's crew. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Dawn, >> >> My husband told me there was an interesting commerical from Burger King >> that >> I would like. >> >> During the mid-1970s, I worked at Burger King for 2 years of high school >> and >> one year of Jr. College. My kids hate it when I special order Whoppers. >> When I worked there "Have it your way!" was our slogan. And we were not >> to >> complain. I guess the advertising world is similar to the Fashion >> World, >> "What goes around, comes around." Probably with film-making too... this >> ad >> looks very Busby Berkley-ish. >> >> My favorite was the onion costume. >> >> Penny E. Ladnier >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:26:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIQP4u030628 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIQKwF031004; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIPsqG031351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIN8L2064944; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19Hg4XQ022902 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.95.66.50]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060209174202.KYIN10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:42:02 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:41:31 -0500 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECDACC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I'm trying very hard to identify the artist in this painting. The only information that I have is " the artist and his brother 1839". Does anyone recognize this? I've broken the address up so it will process through the list. Is there a better way to do this? Suzi has already been so kind to suggest Pre-Raphaelite painters. I also have a vague thought of the German (or Austrian?) schools but extensive searching has still not helped. http:/ /photobucket. com/albums/v320/DLuckham/Drawn%20Bonnet/?action=view¤t=artistandbrother1839.jpg Thanks so much for any help you can give, Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:41:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIf7B5031501 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIf1dv007590; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIe8P6035353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIb6tU077365; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AEWnLl038705 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 16363 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 14:32:48 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210142455.01dd30c0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECDE3D.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:36 10/02/2006, you wrote: >On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > > friend, and see what I can see. > >If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved >six years ago, sorry. > >I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within >walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all >the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are >extraordinarily ritzy. > >Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the >bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three >stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, >and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art >museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery >Place stop. > >So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you >stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find >some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville >(on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be >rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > > > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the >Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); >it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a >number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile >Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. > >Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for >people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National >Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for >Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National >Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- >in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. Thanks so much for the advice. I don't have any particular period of interest - as a professional costumer I simply make what I am paid for! So as I am so short of time (hopefully there will be more time another trip) I just want to catch what I can! As I live in London, and manage to get to Europe a lot (the Louvre, the Prado etc) I don't really need to see European stuff. (Or Tudor/Shakespeare for that matter - born and bred in Warwickshire!). I suppose I mostly make Georgian costume, in all its years, including Regency of course. I think I like making corsets most, so maybe that should be my focus - I don't know - I know there is so much out there just waiting to be seen - decisions, decisions.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:55:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AItONS032254 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AItIak017834; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIskB1038196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIqEdj092469; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19KiK1j014586 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96721656B for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:40:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune In-Reply-To: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE196.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:40 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: >I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I love >because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the original movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho. If you haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. I've read most of that series, and the first three are much better, with the story going whacky imho after that. But I will also admit to enjoying the SciFi movie costumes very much, even if the storylines are a bit changed. It's been a long while since I saw the original movie (when it came out in the theatre, and again when the extended aired on tv although I vaguely watched it because I was working), so I won't comment there. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 13:57:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIv9iE032287 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AIv3JP015912; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIuOPf038485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIqPuc092720; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19LGQ6l049061 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.298.53944ac (16086) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M22 (mblk-m22.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.66]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed643ebb12232e; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 From: tearoses@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:16:18 -0500 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.66 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:57:06 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE1FF.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:11:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBov5032641 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBiKZ028894; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJBKqP040558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ93pT007737; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A58J6i048016 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:08:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=f0v0WIImHiRD+vURr8UcCtx7B/1inwvKNhvORD1knXSrtsCmaq38yOt+r4ixUUlz; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.214] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F7QW1-0004V8-Cq for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:08:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b56b2f7f363b532888494a1ca0e1c04ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.214 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE570.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Rebecca wrote: >I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had > any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for > this passage so he can read it in context. The lines are #453-455 in the General Prologue. The wife's description is between that of the physician and the parson. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:11:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBjsv032637 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJBdeT029236; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJBKsP040559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ8uV5007585; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AD5og5074330 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.64.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.64] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7XyA-00039G-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <43EC9D9E.1030908@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:05:18 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE56B.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: > I asked my son, who is studing midieval lit, if he had > any ideas. He wants to know the line reference for > this passage so he can read it in context. In the copy I have it's line 453 and following. Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:12:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJCMBR032663 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:12:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJCE8P022520; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:12:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJ6nWR039774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ3aBU002510; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ3VMQ002330 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2a0.5488f52 (4246) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2a0.5488f52.311e3c43@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:58:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:18:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: And full of amazing garments. They have just opened an exhibit that focuses on the Northwest Coast tribes, so there are wonderful hats and button blankets, among other things. I haven't been to the museum yet, but will definitely go to see this exhibit. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:13:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJD75d032686 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJD0jn018132; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJCQlh040749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJA4jH008861; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ0hZN000118 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kalawton@codexpublishing.ca) Received: from kal ([161.184.24.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060210190027.LMVT20759.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@kal> for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:00:27 -0700 From: "Keri-Anne Lawton" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:00:21 -0700 Organization: Codex Publishing Group Message-ID: <001a01c62e74$3fbb4780$7a19b8a1@kal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE5BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know how extensive this article is but I just found it last night looking for something else. http://www.housebarra.com/EP/ep04/08romanhair.html Hope it's at least a starting point. Keri-Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of tearoses@aol.com Sent: February 9, 2006 2:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Hi, Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 09/02/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:14:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJEian032728 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJEbBH031112; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJE8Hr041065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJBTte010179; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AD74pJ075151 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:07:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.64.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.64] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7XzM-0003KJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <43EC9DE8.1000703@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:06:32 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE61E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in > her book on "Chaucer and Costume," which has chapters on most or all of > the secular pilgrims. (The religious and academic pilgrims are addressed > in the sequel, "Chaucer and Clothing.") > > (Melanie, you may have already met Laura at K'zoo, and she'll be there > this year too.) :) Yes, I thought of that book, and how I don't have it. Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:16:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJFxNa032761 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJFrb4032027; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJFRPM041279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJCBSa010857; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AH3HXn085751 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14776 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 17:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 17:03:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210165853.01d64a00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:01:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC In-Reply-To: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg. edu> References: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AH3HXn085751 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE669.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:36 10/02/2006, you wrote: >My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's >basically 2 blocks from everything. >1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. >2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock CafĂ© >1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station >2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. >http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm > >The rates are of course a little more expensive >then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we >haven't yet found anything cheaper and more >conveniently located. If you've got a group >going you can't beat some of their larger room >prices. I always recommend this to friends and >family. We've never had any problems walking >around at night and since it's so close to >everything we save quite a bit on transportation. > >Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks >away. We unload at the hotel and then send >someone to go park the car while the others >check in. Once you park just leave the car >until your stay is over. There's no reason to >try driving around DC if you don't have to. Thank you - that's very helpful. Parking won't be a problem - we fly in from London, spend a couple of days in Washington, and then go to stay with our friend. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:17:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJHI2I000321 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJHClF032759; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJGoU0041543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJEQDr012879; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AFuL4q014842 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A79F029C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c62e5a$c3e46f60$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:57:51 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECE6B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We are contemplating on a trip there at about the same time. My husband has been cruising the B&B sites and has actually found one or two slightly under $100, with easy access to PT. Perhaps another resource. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. > > On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone > > knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the > > Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator > > friend, and see what I can see. > > If I still lived there, I'd offer to have you stay with me! But I moved > six years ago, sorry. > > I don't think there's such a thing as a not-too-expensive hotel within > walking distance of the Smithsonian! It is located in the middle of all > the federal buildings, and the hotels I can think of near there are > extraordinarily ritzy. > > Fortunately the public transit in Washington is quite civilized, and the > bulk of the Smithsonian museums (located on the Mall) are served by three > stops: the Smithsonian stop at the west, the Archives at the Northeast, > and L'Enfant Plaza at the south. The Portrait Museum and the American Art > museum are a bit further north from the Mall, and served by the Gallery > Place stop. > > So whatever line you come in on, you are not too far. Just make sure you > stay at a hotel that is walking distance from a Metro stop! You can find > some quite reasonable in Arlington (on the Virginia side) and Rockville > (on the Maryland side); anything in Virginia on a Metro line will be > rather closer to the Smithsonian and have a shorter ride. > > > Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course > > find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > > Don't forget the National Gallery, which is operated separately from the > Smithsonian (and of much more interest to me from a costume standpoint); > it is also located on the Mall, at the Archives end. There are also a > number of private collections of art and artifacts, including the Textile > Museum, scattered around town, some harder to reach than others. > > Your focus will depend on your period of interest. For instance, for > people interested in medieval Europe, I usually recommend the National > Gallery, the Library of Congress, the Folger Shakespeare Library (for > Elizabethan), Dumbarton Oaks (for Byzantine in particular), the National > Cathedral (for its bookstore), and the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore -- > in other words, not the Smithsonian at all. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:34:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJY5lb000778 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJXxfR011656; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJXiRJ044035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJV2QS028544; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJUrS0028271 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1c5.39c94112 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.39c94112.311e43e1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:30:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEAA7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here are a bunch of Roman images. Some women's busts ['Carry my bust with pride!"] show a variety of hairstyles. _Roman Clothing II Images_ (http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html) _http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html_ (http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing_images.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJd7m0000874 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJd141015005; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJOYkB042594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AIXH3v074105; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k19NTATc084078 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40574 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2006 23:29:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.54 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2006 23:29:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060209232242.01dd5a08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:27:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking In-Reply-To: References: <200602090454.k194s5jQ062249@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEBD5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:02 09/02/2006, you wrote: >(What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard >rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that >really works well for that? Fran) I have pinking tools that are about the size of the top of my thumb, one with zigzags, and one with tiny curves, which is lovely. I also have a couple of others - all antiques. Someone made one for me, but it is heavy and not really quite as easy to use as the "real" ones. Unfortunately they all could do with a bit of sharpening, and I really don't want to send them to the U.S just for that - I will have to try and find someone in England who can do it properly. Suzi >I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan >Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can >make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: >http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new >18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap >alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people >looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order >$40 tool was required! > >As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one >that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now >defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and >they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your >seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and >nobody cleaned or sharpened them? > >Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJmckS001282 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJmWTW021095; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJjlaK045620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJhM7A040369; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJhGsT040230 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:43:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:43:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:43:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 19:43:16.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C638240:01C62E7A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:35 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEE10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. It's great. It portrays all the nasty things people think but pretend don't happen in society. Just proves that nothing is new, even sexual orientation, seduction, powergrabs and political arrangements through sex. The costumes are very period. It has regional sources and difference of class as well. I love it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > Trasko? Is it any good? > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 14:54:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJs2t2001414 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:54:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AJru8J024266; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AJrQL2046787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJoMrU047236; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJoGbv047033 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.278.4a07cc2 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <278.4a07cc2.311e4868@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:50:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECEF54.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 2:47:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. But if you want hairstyles on film.....you cannot beat Fellini's "Satyricon". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:03:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AK3Ftg001545 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AK39a3029685; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AK28hc048137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJwjPT054884; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net (anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJwYSE054642 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]:2394 "EHLO anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S461042AbWBJS6V (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:21 +0000 Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F7dT7-000El8-85 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:56:51 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] 16th Century Effigies - loops! 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I passed this on to my sister, who works for Hampshire Council's library service. Their local studies department hadn't heard of the project and send their thanks back round the loop for the information! Jean Penny Ladnier wrote >Passing this alone from another list... > >Good news! A brand new research resource for c16th dress arrives on line - a >pilot database of images is available at: > >http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies > >This is the first stage of a project to photograph and make available >photographs of Tudor effigies in UK churches. The pilot database contains 44 >effigies with photographs of items and features of dress. This represents >about two per cent of the material that could be compiled from similar >sources. > >Eventually, each effigy and its details will have a description with >appropriate c16th terms and an explanation of how they were worn. > >The database has been compiled by Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies at Winchester >School of Art. Feedback on the usefulness of the images and suggestions for >improvement will help with an application for continued funding for the >project. > >Penny E. Ladnier >Owner, >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:14:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKE5du001756 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKDvP0003442; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AKDdSC049826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKBHRX065814; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKBBkx065715 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236B03FC54 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.93b96 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD7PNfiBPiUAIAAAAB,1f75eae5fb1f1ddd9c6967ebd2ac57ff Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.116.12] Message-Id: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:14:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECF405.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Somehow, I don't think that a linen veil would be so heavy as to weight ten pounds on her head. Could she have had on some kind of really elaborate hat or headgear? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler writes: > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > in > the Canterbury Tales: > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > have > other information about this? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 15:45:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKjLWB002662 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AKjFX4021408; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AKhwFx054237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKfXob093626; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AKfSnk093553 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 25557 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 12:41:27 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 25549, pid: 25552, t: 0.6313s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:35/d:1271 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.106) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 12:41:27 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060210123818.02378cd0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:41:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering In-Reply-To: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060210121111.23AFCA85@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECFB5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It sounds to me like a sartirical comment that her headdress was really overdone. I think his reference to "ten pound" is hyperbole, as when we may say that something "weighs a ton" when all we mean is that it is "very heavy". Joan At 12:11 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: >Somehow, I don't think that a linen veil would be so heavy as to >weight ten pounds on her head. Could she have had on some kind of >really elaborate hat or headgear? > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > >On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0600 Melanie Schuessler > writes: > > I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head > > in > > the Canterbury Tales: > > > > "Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, > > I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound > > That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed." > > > > Mainly I'm wondering about the use of the word "ground" in the first > > > > line. I've seen a suggestion that this could translate to mean > > "texture", as in "her coverchiefs were of a very fine texture". > > > > The OED doesn't seem to offer any goodies, but perhaps I missed > > something--the entries for "ground" are quite long! Does anyone > > have > > other information about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Netscape. just the net you need >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:05:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AL4wXn002986 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AL4q6h032325; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AL3xBl056932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AL1VpJ014956; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AL1N32014811 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56451 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 21:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 21:01:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210205732.01d594e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:59:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Piecework" in the U.K X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:04:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ECFFF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The kind and helpful ladies at Piecework have given me the following address where people in the U.K. can order a subscription or back copies of "Piecework", and other American sewing related magazines. http://www.hangingbyathread.co.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:33:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALXZML003528 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALXTvp015711; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALVFPo059989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALSSTf041563; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALSOGk041434 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A56E01F0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:28:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c62e89$25af98e0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED06A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Based on about 6/8 items in my antique inventory that this garment is trying to emulate, bodices in this decade of the new pattern are always boned...in addition to having the corset boned. The relaxed look would only be seen in the reformed dress (sans corset) and probably never in such a formal garment. The poufffs at the hip seem very contrived; and the shoe topper skirt is showing too much shoe (and horrors! an ankle) it is true that skirts were somewhat shorter in this time period, but I think not for formal attire. My two cents worth, based on real garments that I have seen and inspected... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they have > a new historic costume pattern, > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a bit > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they do > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > outfits. > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this is > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't look > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:34:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALYgF9003560 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALYaP1007662; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALYIYQ060348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALVXS6044685; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALTLfp042383 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:29:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A5AA0260; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:29:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c62e89$4d98e1e0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c62c70$43deec00$c6f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:31:01 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED06EC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Exactly! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > The actual picture looks as if the side poof is pulled to the front opening > but the drawing view does not. I don't know if that is the problem you seek, > but that is one difference I see. The ones I've seen like this are pulled > more towards the back, not to the front. They form the bustle and "butt > enhancement" with all the poofyness. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > To: "Historic Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:26 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity's new natural form era gown, opinions? > > > >I was just browsing Simplicity's website (I got a free pattern for > > submitting a sewing tip to their 'idea exchange') and I found that they > > have > > a new historic costume pattern, > > http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4244 it looks like a bustle or > > natural form period gown, they may be trying to cash in on The Phantom of > > the Opera (though it seems a bit late) as their model does look quite a > > bit > > like Emmy Rossum (who played the main character, Christine) although they > > do > > already have a version of the costume she wears when she does her solo on > > stage for the rest of the film she wears typical late 1870s to early 1880s > > outfits. > > Anyway, onto my point does anybody have an opinion on how authentic this > > is > > and whether any inauthentic parts would be fixable? The bodice doesn't > > look > > too bad it's got 2 darts at the front and princess seams at the back, it > > reminds me of a polonaise except for the back drape. It would need fitting > > to be worn over a corset but otherwise I can't seem to pinpoint a flaw (I > > admit I don't like the look of the back of the skirt but I don't know if > > that's because it's inauthentic or I just dislike the style). Then again > > I've only done a little research into this era, so for those who have more > > expertise in natural form era outfits what is your opinion? > > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------- > > Elizabeth Walpole > > Canberra Australia > > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:38:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALcAF1003600 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALc4wO017905; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALb7o7060885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALYLWR047269; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53308.mail.yahoo.com (web53308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1ALXh0o046761 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30618 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2006 21:33:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ov3VYzHd9VeD1+3UehabKpTLquqJ1Irnr68MOi5ZCciYRjKqdApjga/OiWsTJwzrCsU2Ag6cH/6LyehBeOHr4YhxbIMRKC2lXkhz7SBD21ZYkqHAgeY3os9xH/7pDlIQzgBmH7PgTtVONHi9V3pkXETBaCjPmMP1LPpDT8Twtj4= ; Message-ID: <20060210213329.30616.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:33:29 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carletta da Nicolosi Subject: RE: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001a01c62e74$3fbb4780$7a19b8a1@kal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED07BC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you Keri-Anne for this link. It was VERY informative. I have a Roman period Event coming up and this should really help. ~Carletta Keri-Anne Lawton wrote: I don't know how extensive this article is but I just found it last night looking for something else. http://www.housebarra.com/EP/ep04/08romanhair.html Hope it's at least a starting point. Keri-Anne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 16:49:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALnoRs003779 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ALni8r023609; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1ALliDZ062199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALidMw057803; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALiWVY057639 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9390260; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:44:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:46:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:49:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED0A78.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Fiskar, I believe, makes a variety of pinking/dagging scissors--a variety of designs. I don't have any, and I've seen them advertised only in art-supply catalogs, so maybe their usefulness is limited to paper. I'm always tempted to try a pair, but I can't decide among wavy-cut, deep pink, deckled-paper-effect, and the more complicated dags...and can't afford to buy them all! > > Again: maybe no good for fabric....Has anybody tried them? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > I have a pair I bought when I made my wedding invitations, and I didn't > think they were all that good on paper. The handles were small and hurt > my hands -- though they cut ok -- I found them unpleasant to use. They > probably would have worked on fabric when new, but they won't now. And > how would you sharpen something like that anyway? > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 17:22:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMMChs004379 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMM58E006295; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AMLcPN066603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMIM7A090155; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMHVTe089428 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.215.12dde49f (16086) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M29 (mblk-m29.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.73]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed643ed10ed34b; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:17:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.73 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Roman women's hairstyles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:22:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED120D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the links, guys! These will help. So, are these hairnets made from sprang? http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet2.jpg http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet1.jpg And I know that they did use hairpieces and wigs, but I still would like to see them so I can figure out how it's done. The fun thing about making art dolls is that I get to make it all: costumes, shoes, hats and hairstyles! Of course, sometimes that's the hard part, too... :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 17:59:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMxKF6004997 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1AMxESH020586; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AMwcbs071253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMtlHH024792; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1AMtbJ5024666 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27627 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 22:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.19.148 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 22:55:36 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210225020.01d6e1e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:53:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors In-Reply-To: <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net> <006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED1AC2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:46 10/02/2006, you wrote: >Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? > >One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger >pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. > >One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that >you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last >time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that >they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. >Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. > >Kathleen Thanks for the suggestion Kathleen. I inherited my Fiskars Soft Touch third hand and recently broke the spring. Someone is bringing me a new pair from the U.S. as they are so much cheaper. I am too cheap to buy another pair, and I am having to use a pair of Fiskars shears instead - not nearly so easy. So I just wrote to Fiskars UK for a new spring, or somewhere I can get them fixed. Great tip - thanks again. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:46:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0k80d007206 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0k2Tl024081; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0ibOi083838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0gB9C013158; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1A99KR6019411 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.138] (helo=Penny) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1F7UHH3ELF-0002wP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <023101c62e21$a7897600$6400a8c0@Penny> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <43EB68EC.2070508@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Burger King costumes Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:09:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:46:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED33CA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw a shortened version of the commercial tonight. Not as cute as the long version. The costumes look a lot better on TV than on Google. I don't know why Google's video player is so bad. I agree, the king costume on the old commercials was really scary. Wonder who thought that one up. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:48:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0m6L9007227 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0m05i008177; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0lcD0084157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0jH6x015445; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AHuu0V039144 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from kimathlon (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 45907589 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:29:42 -0700 From: "kim baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:57:17 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c62e6b$6e6e7970$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF80637ACC7@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> Importance: Normal X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 72, in=66, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=41% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k1AHuu0V039144 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3440.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have stayed at the Harrington, also. My only recommendation is, stay on a lower floor. They have the world's SLOWEST elevator. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Formo, Nathan Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Washington DC My family relies on Hotel Harrington. It's basically 2 blocks from everything. 1 blocks to the Old Post office for good cheap food. 2 blocks from Fords Theater and Hard Rock CafĂ© 1.5 blocks to the nearest metro station 2 blocks from Museum of Natural History and the rest of the Smithsonian. http://www.hotel-harrington.com/mapdrivingdirections.htm The rates are of course a little more expensive then a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere but we haven't yet found anything cheaper and more conveniently located. If you've got a group going you can't beat some of their larger room prices. I always recommend this to friends and family. We've never had any problems walking around at night and since it's so close to everything we save quite a bit on transportation. Small note. The parking garage is a few blocks away. We unload at the hotel and then send someone to go park the car while the others check in. Once you park just leave the car until your stay is over. There's no reason to try driving around DC if you don't have to. BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson Barony of Black Diamond >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:09:41 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] O.T. >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060210130215.01d65660@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone >knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the >Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator >friend, and see what I can see. > >Now I have to decide what I'd like to see!! (Whee!) And of course >find out what I'll be allowed to see!! > >A very excited Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:51:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0pefu007265 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0pY17025805; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0owr5084501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0mYH3017986; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJ7fR2006346 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:07:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com) Received: from NostalgicNeedle@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.280.57b4262 (26116) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: NostalgicNeedle@aol.com Message-ID: <280.57b4262.311e3d46@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:02:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:fringed fleece boas h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 127 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:51:37 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3516.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A local church may have a program for giving out warm clothes to the homeless. I volunteered on the "food van" run by the Adventist Church that went to downtown Baltimore giving out hot soup sandwiches as well as coats, scarves, gloves, shoes, etc to the area homeless. Ola In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:18:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I made a whole slew of those fringed fleece boas that were popular a > couple years ago, with the intention of selling them all. I did sell > a few on ebay but am stuck now with about 25-30 of them and no one > wants them anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about an organization > I might donate them to? They're really warm but unfortunately, went > out of style really fast. > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:55:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0tJYq007350 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0tDtG026850; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0skJc085080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0qPnH020887; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AJfspf038769 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.254.62e8ec9 (57293) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <254.62e8ec9.311e4676@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:41:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 2:37:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: As I live in London, and manage to get to Europe a lot (the Louvre, the Prado etc) I don't really need to see European stuff. (Or Tudor/Shakespeare for that matter - born and bred in Warwickshire!). I suppose I mostly make Georgian costume, in all its years, including Regency of course. All the more reason to hit the Museum of the American Indian. When are you ever gonna see this kind of stuff again? ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 19:58:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0w1gt007372 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:58:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0vtXn027574; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0vD6g085395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0sq9O022600; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AK4YA1059893 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1026A225C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:04:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ECF1EC.8030900@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:05:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3693.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? > Wasn't a lot of that done with wigs? I seem to recall references to wigs from my Roman lit courses. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:00:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B10R56007404 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B10Lms028300; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B0xjjN085648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0vPOQ024327; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AKxDLQ012660 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:59:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD00138005C; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: <43ECFE2E.1070108@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:57:18 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting References: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20060209124030.00baccf0@pop8.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:00:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3725.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn, I don't know the identity of the artist, but I don't think he is a pre-Raphaelite, unless he is an older member of that movement. According to Victorianweb.org, the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood was founded in 1848 and the earliest listed member was born in 1827, about 10 years older than this artist if he was in his 20s in 1839. However, I agree that the portrait is reminiscent of the Pre-Raphaelite movement and is Romanitic in style. If you find out who it is, please post to the list. 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(glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.238.170.234 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 00:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <43ED36D2.2070608@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:58:58 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: pinking shears References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:01:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED377E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We just had a discussion about this on r.c.t.sewing It seems that there are shears that cannot be sharpened, shears that have been so abused (dropped, sharpened by idiots, etc.) that they can no longer be sharpened, but that reasonably well cared for, reasonable quality shears can be sharpened. This fellow, who sharpens knives and scissors professionally, was quite helpful in the discussion. Of course, he does sell sharpening services. http://www.villagesharpener.com/ Have not gotten around to sending my shears there yet. I don't know about sharpening other sorts of pinked cutters. liz young Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/06 7:04:48 PM GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >>And >>how would you sharpen something like that anyway? > > > When I got my first pair of pinking shears (just normal zig-zaggy ones) I was > told they can be professionally sharpened once, and that's it - any more and > they can't guaratee that the teeth will still meet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:03:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B13Vph007437 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B13PJP029212; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B12Yjn086009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B0xwfO025950; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1ALmQLS061366 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AA2302E4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:48:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 16:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c62e8b$f797f260$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:50:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:03:28 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED37DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Richard Coursons's Hair book is the best reference I know of. Since you spend time researching examples of Fine Art that you probably can identify his sources as you see them reduces to blackline drawings. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good? > > Thanks! > Tea Rose > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:05:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B15mrh007485 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B15gfE029866; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B151Im086306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B12eeR027691; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:02:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMaJiF007106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Hope.Greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from uvm.edu (penguin5.uvm.edu [132.198.101.215]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1AMaIYw028789 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Received: from 132.198.190.132 ([132.198.190.132]) by webmail.uvm.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <20060210173618.h6way4nbkg0w8k0c@webmail.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:45 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3866.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's the appropriate bits from Hodges, Laura F. "Chaucer and Costume: The Secular Pilgrims in the General Prologue." (Cambridge: D.S. Brewer, 2000) pp. 163 - 172. Echoes what has already been said here, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless! BTW, here's the usual picture: http://www.unc.edu/depts/chaucer/zatta/wife.jpg Excerpts, without footnotes: "Alisoun's Sunday garb includes three items of expensive dress commonplace in estates satires: a headdress notable enough to swear by, fine red hosiery, and new shoes. Those members of parliament who wished, through sumptuary laws, to regulate dress according to income and birth would probably agree that the Wife's cumulative inheritances and her cloth-making success entitled her to dress in this manner...However, the satirists and moralists would not have been so generous... "The moralists were most concerned with what they deemed excess in dress as it demonstrated the sin of pride..." Hodges then goes on to give examples of how Chaucer and others often used an ornate headdress to signify pride, vanity, temptation/unchaste behavior, and/or an attempt to challenge their husbands as heads of households, but continues... "However, the study of the history of costume and textiles throws additional light on the coverchiefs suggested in Chaucer's description. In the past, critics have debated the nature of these coverchiefs and the issue of how fashionable they may have been. To clarify these separate issues, several things must be considered. 'Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground' (I, line 453) which Riverside glosses 'fine in texture', indicates quality. However, the first MED definition for ground in this context is 'the background for ornamentation of fabric', and both the MED and OED cite Chaucer's usage in this line as the first literary example. Further, this definition facilitates a better understanding of Chaucer's attribution of heavy weight to this headdress. Granted that a fine fabric was used, what kind of decorated coverchiefs might make a weight of ten pounds? Stella Mary Newton and Mary M. Giza provide an answer to this question. They describe a veil headdress that began to appear in illuminations and sculpture by the 1360s, one which they characterize as 'veils edged with a forest of frills in airy layers almost impossible to count' and very difficult for sculptors to portray except in a stylized manner... [list some examples and provides drawing of the headdress that should be familiar to most h-costumers!]...The multiple frills at the veil's edge are achieved through a weaving process, by adding considerably to the threads at the selvedge edge, thus producing the fluted or goffered appearance, and additional weight." "The air flow from the forward movement of dame Alisoun, striding toward the alter rail, would have lifted and fluffed the frills of such coverchiefs and added to the appearance of fullness and weight...Nevertheless even the most beruffled coverchiefs would be unlikely to weight ten ounds...and we should read the narrator's oath...as comic hyperbole directed at a fanciful headdress." "As funeral brasses from the 1360s onward make clear, elegant coverchiefs so beruffled that they give the impression of heacy weight were in style in the late 1380s. They were neither a new style nor a fading style at that time, and Chaucer's description suggests that the Wife wears such a headdress, one that demonstrates her knowledge of fine quality in fabric and familiarity with special weaving techniques. In her portrait her coverchiefs serve as her hallmark; they adorn at the same time that they advertise, both for business and pleasure, especially so since, for dame Alisoun, the two are so frequently indistinguishable." Hodges goes on to suggest that an additional association between coverchief and the word coverture. "Legally, coverture is 'the condition or position of a woman during her married life, when she is by law under the authority and protection of her husbane' (OED), a definition that the Wife's description of her five marriages makes highly ironic and that invests any coverchiefs, symbol of marital subjection, with the same irony." "The Wife's coverchiefs, then, are a highly charged costume sign: they are literally a gesture of submission to her married and legal status, as depited in Chaucer's designation 'good WF' (line 445) and to St. Paul's dictum that womne's heads should be covered in church; economically the proclamation of a cloth-maker's community status and wealth; aesthetically the beautiful veiling of an attractive, seductive woman, and morally the announcement of a woman's pride, materialism, and by extension her unchastity, her sexual manipulation confessed so blatently in her Prologue." - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:14:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1EvMa007625 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1Eprw000312; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B1DRCk086922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1B6Mp033162; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50210.mail.yahoo.com (web50210.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1B1B3G4033058 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16479 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2006 01:10:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eUkgrt3MJr3vqfYhftOau73vyx98eMNCONbsWcaTBH8SOAae+C01LZv6rZ+qpKIZbuIUKTnmFRi9/LH5mT/PC3N3bj9onrhM8k1D11X5O1agTbmEVnS65jZ209uZKFE+UopceHSNoql2uL5cE1KX3QC4Mj/xUo+xX2jL1peqF1k= ; Message-ID: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.11.230] by web50210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:10:57 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing samples X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3A8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 20:34:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1YhFn007863 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B1Ybcu006297; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B1T3AF088216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1SuT7044717; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B1Sq0x044663 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14726 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:59:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:59:31 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting In-Reply-To: <43ECFE2E.1070108@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED3F2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Definitely not pre-Raphaelite, on stylistic grounds alone. The pre-Raphaelites did not do formal portraits of men in suits in front of drapery, and did not use these highly refined techniques of light and shadow, which for them were a mark of the traditional style they were rebelling against. Pre-Raphaelite pictures, even when set in contemporary times, tend to tell stories, are set in natural surroundings or detailed interiors, and use a great deal of color and a "flat" technique in which all parts of the picture are illuminated and recorded. No luck for me either on identifying it, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 21:19:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2JSn5008382 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2JMWh018686; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B2IQe3092200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2IO2v076258; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2IKvv076151 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A96502B0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:18:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Feb 2006 21:18:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c62eb1$ac8934c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <10149705.1139499827728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net><43EB689F.8070808@reddawn.net><006701c62e8b$6c755b00$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.3.4.0.20060210225020.01d6e1e0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:20:02 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED49AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You are welcome! The first time the problem happened, I sent the shears in for service. The last time, it was the 'clippers'. They not only replaced the spring in the ailing pair but sent along a new pair! (Funny, the clippers never go on sale). Also, the size of the clipper spring is about one turn less than the Shears, so it makes a small difference when you are trying to keep them in service. kathleen .----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinker alert/Fiskars scissors > At 21:46 10/02/2006, you wrote: > >Were these Fiscars or look-alikes? > > > >One of the advantages of the Fiscar Soft Touch is that there is no finger > >pinching. I don't remember if they use this design with the scrapbook line. > > > >One interesting note re Fiscar service on the ST products, at least, is that > >you can get replacement springs when they give out (from overwork?).The last > >time I requested replacements, they sent me a small handful! Would that > >they would would put a quality spring in to begin with. > >Any way, the ST line has saved my fingers from calluses. > > > >Kathleen > > > Thanks for the suggestion Kathleen. I inherited my Fiskars Soft Touch > third hand and recently broke the spring. Someone is bringing me a > new pair from the U.S. as they are so much cheaper. I am too cheap to > buy another pair, and I am having to use a pair of Fiskars shears > instead - not nearly so easy. So I just wrote to Fiskars UK for a new > spring, or somewhere I can get them fixed. Great tip - thanks again. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 21:39:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2d2Zw008597 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:39:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2cubL024012; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B2cIql093667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2cHnL088910; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B2cDou088827 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC08BA296B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:38:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43ED4E32.9040708@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:38:42 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing samples References: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED4E40.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO jmhr3@yahoo.com wrote: > I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. > > http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg > http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg > Thanks, but in the quote I was looking at, the seam has already been backstitched, so it doesn't make any sense that it would then use a technique like that. I think it's more likely to be the ladder-stitch that was suggested before, as a method of reinforcement to prevent the center seam from having too much stress on it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:32:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3W7wV009540 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3Vufs007147; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:31:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3VNlI098565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3VIUM022921; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3VFux022861 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.55.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.55] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F7lTe-0004v6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:31:14 -0500 Message-ID: <43ED6870.9040900@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:30:40 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering References: <20060210031637.89480.qmail@web82012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01c62e00$006785e0$d6159b04@HELENPINTO> <20060210173618.h6way4nbkg0w8k0c@webmail.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5AAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow--thanks so much for typing all that in! Very interesting! That adds a lot to what I've seen before. Thanks ever so, Melanie Schuessler Hope Greenberg wrote: > Here's the appropriate bits from Hodges, Laura F. "Chaucer and Costume: > The Secular Pilgrims in the General Prologue." (Cambridge: D.S. Brewer, > 2000) pp. 163 - 172. > > Echoes what has already been said here, but I thought it was interesting > nonetheless! BTW, here's the usual picture: > http://www.unc.edu/depts/chaucer/zatta/wife.jpg > > Excerpts, without footnotes: ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:33:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3X1e0009558 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:33:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3WtBv005087; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3WFwo098667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3WEgA023543; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3W961023489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 4720 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4706, pid: 4714, t: 0.3896s scanners: clamav: 0.88/m:35/d:1283 Received: from spc1-port1-6-0-cust75.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (81.102.124.76) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 19:32:09 -0800 Message-ID: <008f01c62ebb$bf8ed9d0$6501a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200602061544.k16FiUSA028916@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:32:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re mending X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:32:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5AE7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for all the tips and advice. I've made a good start on darning the holes. Some of the small darns are practically invisible. kelly, I could send you a ball of(sob sob) hand spun yarn full of moths to put in with your riding habit but I think there may be some laws about sending insects abroad! The discovery of the moths in my knitting wools was rather upsetting. On the plus side my home now smells lovely as i've made a load of pommanders which I hope will keep the moths away. thanks Joan, I developed type two diabetes and discovered that by controlling it with diet I started to loose weight. But I miss chocolate and biscuits soooooo much. regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:41:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3et48009683 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3enZK009586; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3eNT3099510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3eM5E029261; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3eIlA029127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B5Lo7L026237 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:21:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:45:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602102129.k1ALTUED042602@net.indra.com> <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FCA6E2E6F4AE-9E0-12D5B@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602102245.13661.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:40:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5CC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 10 February 2006 5:17 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the links, guys! These will help. > > So, are these hairnets made from sprang? > > http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet2.jpg > > http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet1.jpg I've seen pictures of these before, and they look like they were metal, instead of metallic thread. However, you could make similar ones using sprang, and sprang goes back far enough that it was probably known to the Romans. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 22:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3kJxl009764 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B3kAdX011385; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B3hdt6099844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3hcp3031535; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com ([71.197.44.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B3hXJO031467 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:40:19 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fine drawing samples Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:43:42 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <001c01c62ebd$5a516c20$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: <20060211011057.16477.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYuqD2h0taSJpmdQTGX3sZEt2/FDQAFHemQ X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2006 03:40:19.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[E12649B0:01C62EBC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED5E02.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Those remind me greatly of the stitch used in "pattern darning" Of an Icelandic altar-cloth (charted by Carol... hmm; I'll find it if anybody really needs to know); which I also saw taught/demonstrated at a Pennsic class on hand sewing as a technique to repair small rips: up through the cloth beside the rip, down thru the cut and up again on the other side- repeat for a bit of a figure 8 pattern. Works really well too! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of jmhr3@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:11 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing samples I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 23:47:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4lKC2010619 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4lCrx027321; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B4kgSO005572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4kcVJ071786; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4kYq4071702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B6S66G027818 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:28:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:51:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED6C50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 09 February 2006 4:16 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > Trasko? Is it any good? I looked through it in a bookstore once. Fewer illustrations than I'd like, and very un-informative text. Moreover, I don't think it had any pictures whatsoever of Roman period styles. Don't waste your money. If you want pictures of Roman ladies' hair styles, there's a nice little section in A.T. Croom's "Roman Clothing and Fashion," which is still in print and not too expensive (I think it runs about $35 USD). -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 10 23:49:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4nRHL010642 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B4nCO1031224; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1B4mxcn005711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4mxGT073247; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:49:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1B4mvGQ073213 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41385338A2 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:48:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:49:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] new to me X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43ED6CC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 05:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BA2Yc4009386 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:02:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BA2Sn7015959; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:02:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BA1vgc040631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BA1m3n070089; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BA1jOL070022 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm20.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77C1946F for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm20 Received: by dm20.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm20.43e02ad1.9956c for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D7bYIVgFoNQIAAAAB,3d3e62c9b53e685b72ccec0f1c2c5d64 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: fine drawing? 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/2006 11:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. Those are really neat! However, may I humbly suggest a little more info in a post like this, to give us a hint of the period. I suppose that, if I don't know who Nicholas Hillard is, I can assume that is not a period of primary interest for me, and it certainly didn't hurt me to look at the pictures anyway. However, how about, in future, saying something like "Miniatures of .... , circa 1577"? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 07:05:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BC5olp032018 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BC5j6o017994; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BC5Uw5052684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BC5Tob051866; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50202.mail.yahoo.com (web50202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1BC5QCG051812 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78755 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2006 12:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AkZbfdrr6yGe/zWVfeY8+vB5WMxVllSkN813+cW1XBxqov9PXzOsahjS1u6Lm2s6Grgq5P0KwfcqGNYziDUxks0pUa6NaFh95ufKJ6xx5C7HA2bkjBqI0V7sk80yNQC+OFS6rB7PMorItoVA8LJk9x3U/S8hKvCZCU9seAwyUZ8= ; Message-ID: <20060211120519.78753.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.11.230] by web50202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:05:19 PST Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:05:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDD319.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You're right. Fine drawing is described in the instructions as "like lacing" so it sounds like it could be used to reinforce a seam. It just wouldn't look anything like the pictures I posted when used that way. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 08:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDEM9S016796 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDEGUo006354; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BDDlow058535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDDfoc095027; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDDccG095011 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kristalori@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a25so33639nfc for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mNfmJihy0sJeMSkwwssxb32HytSx/i4sssrU4bAe8IOt+ayCc/QzPVS2gKHEeUPWbUzhfQV196dXM6vP2Si022LksfHfxZXCaivYP1q435VS3tpXuQMQgPZ/HIImo5SOkDQt6wcrpMaLcqnoNSIw5ILOYSxDTf6Y0vUp2T8gO7c= Received: by 10.49.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr99925nfl; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.8.19 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7164eae90602110513j492f9467v56f34d45b2d4e319@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:13:37 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <248.691f6c4.311bcd5e@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060209123558.03218bb8@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDE328.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k1BDEM9S016796 Status: RO Agreed. Costumes great. Movies bite. Books rock. Bice On 2/9/06, Kimiko Small wrote: > > At 02:40 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: > >I got the newly issued DVD of "Dune"....another film much hated but I > love > >because I don't find it confusing [and I've never read the books] > > > While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the > original > movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho. If you > haven't read them, do, at least the first three books. I've read most of > that series, and the first three are much better, with the story going > whacky imho after that. > > But I will also admit to enjoying the SciFi movie costumes very much, even > if the storylines are a bit changed. It's been a long while since I saw > the > original movie (when it came out in the theatre, and again when the > extended aired on tv although I vaguely watched it because I was working), > so I won't comment there. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 08:55:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDtgpY017283 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BDtaBk018021; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BDtIOX061584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDtHDa019808; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BDtCGY019729 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACB901D0; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Feb 2006 08:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:56:49 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDECD8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. He covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > On Thursday 09 February 2006 4:16 pm, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? > > I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore > > really tall, complicated hairstyles? > > > > Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by > > Trasko? Is it any good? > > I looked through it in a bookstore once. Fewer illustrations than I'd like, > and very un-informative text. Moreover, I don't think it had any pictures > whatsoever of Roman period styles. Don't waste your money. > > If you want pictures of Roman ladies' hair styles, there's a nice little > section in A.T. Croom's "Roman Clothing and Fashion," which is still in print > and not too expensive (I think it runs about $35 USD). > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 09:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BEb3c3017999 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BEawgH032215; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BEZ6j2064365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BEZ0po042531; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BEYtru042366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:34:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276115005E for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31581-01-21 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BB3915005F for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013201c62f18$495a40d0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new to me Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EDF68A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] new to me > Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg > De Wow--what a beautiful couple they made! He was a handsome devil, wasn't he? Fiant simii! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 10:56:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFuJf6019051 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFuDhD030465; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BFtfYN074643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFtcp2098370; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFtVPU098287 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm22.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337AE401C7 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm22 Received: by dm22.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm22.43e02ad6.943e0 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRD7gjz6U+uewIAAAAB,c0e3552b92cb95d5d1052321e91fbd01 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new to me X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.68] Message-Id: <20060211075531.23AECF0A@dm22.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:56:17 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE091D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does her lace ruff stop at the shoulder? It almost looks like it attaches to her black veil. Is that usual? Can't remember seeing anything like that before, but Elizabethan isn't my primary period (yet). Thanks Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "otsisto" wrote: From: "otsisto" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:49:13 -0600 To: "Historic Costume" Subject: [h-cost] new to me Miniatures of Nicholas Hillard and his wife Alice Brandon. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_021.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nicholas_Hilliard_001.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. just the net you need _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 10:59:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFxW4B019096 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BFxQF0031711; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BFxCDs075887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFxCrK000877; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BFx8Po000717 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.193.510650ff (4539) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:58:56 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:58:56 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dune costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:59:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE09DE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO While I really enjoyed both sets of movies (SciFi version, and the > original > movie with extended info), the books are so much better imho One should never go to a movie based on a book and expect it to be in any way true to the book's story. Different medium. Then one is less often disappointed. I loved the Dune books. I also loved the David Lynch "Dune" movie. If any of you are fans of particular film directors, as I am of David Lynch, you go to that movie to see what that director has done with the story, not to see a reenactment scene-by-scene of the book. At least, that is my opinion. If you're looking for the same story as the book, you are bound to be disappointed most of the time. Where was Tom Bombadil, after all, in Lord of the Rings? That said, the process of designing costumes for a science fiction film or fantasy is that the world you are creating never really existed. So you get to create the world, along with the rest of the design team. So much fun! And the choices in "Dune" the movie (the 80's one with Sting) are very interesting. I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them escapes me. And, of course, the Court. And the creepy Baron. (shudder) and how all of these choices related to the characters. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 12:54:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHsmJX020731 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHsgHR008233; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BHrse3000778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHrmaX083980; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHrgox083895 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:53:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k1BHrd19008576 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:53:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:42:08 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200602102129.k1ALTUEC042602@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BHO series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE24E2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > Try watching the latest series on HBO or Cimemax, Called Ceasar. It's great. > It portrays all the nasty things people think but pretend don't happen in > society. Just proves that nothing is new, even sexual orientation, > seduction, powergrabs and political arrangements through sex. You thought any of that was new? :-) Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 12:59:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHxkGF020814 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BHxfRv009777; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BHvkVm001050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHviAR086616; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BHvVUN086424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BJd5W0014252 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:39:05 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:02:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> <200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602111302.27981.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:43 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE260D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:56 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. > Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. Yes, I am familiar with Corson's book. However, I believe it's out of print. It's certainly hard to find; after prowling the Internet for awhile I managed to score a copy for $75 USD. That's why I didn't recommend it first to the lady who started this thread. > He > covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth > Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary > of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and > photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair > style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive > bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . You are quite right, Kathleen. Corson's book is my basic reference for hairstyles though it's not cheap to obtain. My bet is that it'd be easy enough to find via ILL though. Corson also did a book on the history of makeup which I will eventually track down, time and cost permitting. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 13:14:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BIEnRe021048 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BIEifU014377; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BIEA4K002210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIE7Ok002188; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIE3EH002108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-113-12.sonic.net [209.148.113.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1BIE0ZZ028801 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:14:02 -0800 Message-ID: <43EE2969.2060006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:14:01 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:14:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE2994.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just saw a fantastic DVD I bought of Offenbach's "La Vie Parisienne." This production was put on by the Opera National de Lyon; it has English subtitles. The costumes are around 1876, more or less--they're stage costumes. But who cares about the costumes? The opera is a vivid, simultaneously cynical and sentimental evocation of the demi-monde, with very witty lyrics and dialog. It gives all the details of things like how a grande horizontale juggles her lovers, and how people party at a fashionable restaurant (the head waiter instructs new staff on when and when not to enter a room in which a couple are dining), how they drink all night, the various postures they wake up in, how they order tea and stagger home. The singing and acting in this production are brilliant, and the music, of course, is wonderful. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 15:29:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKT0pS023164 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:29:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKStFV032218; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BKSQQH014753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKSIYB099883; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKSF3d099831 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=M6bvSP2Ii2d5YTQz3K+tZIQaqlwAx+Cpf9joK8einYktq9llGA9s+UlISw4NCjmB; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.21.119] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F81Lq-0001xC-7U for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <017201c62f49$aea1df80$77159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b726824ba31bcc1d5c9892c0cd51fac81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.119 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE4907.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cheryl wrote: I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them > escapes me. Still-suits. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 15:48:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKmqvZ023503 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BKmlBn008127; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1BKh8FX016924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKh6oB012608; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BKh4SK012486 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C73A228B for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:42:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43EE4C80.7090205@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:43:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costumer wanted in Nashville, TN X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EE4DAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been contacted by a woman who wants a fantasy costume and headpiece made for her, for a performance she is doing. She'd like to work with someone local to her in Tennessee. Let me know if you might be interested and I will give her your contact info. 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Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:14:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > I just saw a fantastic DVD I bought of Offenbach's "La Vie Parisienne." > I love Offenbach! "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" is one of my fave operas [Right after Monteverdi's "Orfeo" and Mozart's "Le Nozzi"]. Now there's a great costume project! I'll have to check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 21:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C2htCD028583 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C2hnYR015742; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C2hAN0051920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C2h67c056839; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C2h1Wr056758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-172.sonic.net [209.148.114.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1C2gwfZ003446 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: <43EEA0B4.7090500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:43:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] DVDs References: <2ec.f57569.311fda10@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ec.f57569.311fda10@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:43:52 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEA0E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you know a really good DVD of Les Contes d'Hoffmann, musically, and in terms of the technical quality of transferring the music, and where they didn't go and use modern clothes for costumes or something? The San Francisco Opera DVD of "Die Fledermaus" is absolutely wonderful BTW. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > I love Offenbach! "Les Contes d'Hoffmann" is one of my fave operas [Right > after Monteverdi's "Orfeo" and Mozart's "Le Nozzi"]. Now there's a great costume > project! I'll have to check it out. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:23:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3NTu0029037 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3NObW025618; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3Mfd8057073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:22:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3McvH086564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BIW7UY016947 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-204-239.cvip.net [129.8.204.239]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9240710CCD for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:32:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060211102636.03405ef8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:27:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes In-Reply-To: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:23:27 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAA2C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >escapes me. Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3Pupq029056 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:26:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3Po87026193; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3P8YM057508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3P6Z7088484; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1BMP4G2087377 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A439024C; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:24:57 -0500 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Feb 2006 17:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c62f5a$4040f9c0$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C7FBD533E271E5-788-158EF@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com><200602102351.28977.cathy@thyrsus.com><000b01c62f13$046bde20$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <200602111302.27981.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:26:44 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:25:53 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAABE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have the makeup book also. The book were given to me by a former director...sort of in his will. I will check my shelf for what might be a digest version that I have acquired. (And thanks for the sp.check..) Also, I think that Cassine-Scott did a fair job in his Greek and Roman handbook for the stage. At least a jumping off point. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles > On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:56 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > I have it on the shelf, but it is in the file to discard. > > Does anyone not know about the R.Courson book I mentioned earlier. > > Yes, I am familiar with Corson's book. However, I believe it's out of print. > It's certainly hard to find; after prowling the Internet for awhile I managed > to score a copy for $75 USD. That's why I didn't recommend it first to the > lady who started this thread. > > > He > > covers hair styles from almost pre-history through most of the twentieth > > Century. This volume is about 3" thick; the drawings are based on statuary > > of the ancients through gleanings from pictorial evidences of art and > > photography. All of the pic's are black and white line renderings of hair > > style from any of the periods. And it carries a fairly comprehensive > > bibliography as well as interpretive descriptions . > > You are quite right, Kathleen. Corson's book is my basic reference for > hairstyles though it's not cheap to obtain. My bet is that it'd be easy > enough to find via ILL though. > > Corson also did a book on the history of makeup which I will eventually track > down, time and cost permitting. :-) > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical > results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 22:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3f58O029217 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:41:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C3etSs030239; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C3ZWAu059732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3ZUtw096564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C3ZQIg096506 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:35:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.119.236 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:35:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.236] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <193.510650ff.311f63c0@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060211102636.03405ef8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:35:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2006 03:35:22.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AB05820:01C62F85] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEAE47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:23:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4NBnf029799 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4N6kQ009564; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4MT89064366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4MOfH025680; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4MLij025586 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.13c.24deb666 (4459) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:22:10 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEB82A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 2/11/2006 9:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > Do you know a really good DVD of Les Contes d'Hoffmann, musically, and > in terms of the technical quality of transferring the music, and where > they didn't go and use modern clothes for costumes or something? > ******************** I have the DVD with Placido Domingo doing Hoffmann...on the Kultur label. It's not bad. But there are several versions. Here's a link to ArkivMusic's page of them: ArkivMusic | Album List Page But my fave recording [not DVD...just a CD] is with Francisco Araiza: ArkivMusic | Offenbach: Tales Of Hoffmann / Tate, Norman, Araiza, Et Al This is not your usual version you hear in the opera house. They have restored the complete introduction with the scene with the Muse....who disguises herself as Nicklausse to keep Hoffmann true to his art. [suddenly a lot of things make more sense, don't they?] And the speaking scenes are restored...but you lose Copelias' aria about "eyes". [Offenbach died while they were preparing the 1st production. Afterwhich...the producers did what they wanted, composing it thru and eliminating a lot of stuff.] The Antonia act is second instead of last, The Giuietta act is last with a very different ending. Instead of her just leaving Hoffmann, Dapertutto plots his death by poisoning a glass of wine. But Giulietta drinks it by mistake and drops dead as Dapertutto laughs. Doncha love opera??? Like Anna Russell says: "You can do anything, as long as you sing it." Any of you who are not familiar with this opera, I highly recommend it. It one of the greats...in either version. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:34:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4YYpY029943 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4YS52012480; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4Y4AP065404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4Y0Uv032710; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4XuRQ032623 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1f6.1b1e5027 (4459) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.1b1e5027.312014ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:33:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEBAD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm sorry....I forgot the links won't post if I just drag them in the e-mail. here they are: DVDs http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?album_group=2&comp_id=2182& name_role1=1&name_id1=8878 The CD http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=8878&name_role1=1& comp_id=2182&genre=180&bcorder=195&name_id=14658&name_role=2 I hope this works.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 11 23:41:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4fwlT030039 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C4fqgl014353; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C4fXeo065970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4fWjv037155; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C4fS2G037061 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.90.6ef9fb37 (62952) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:16 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:16 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Roman women's hairstyles, rare book site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:41:55 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEBC90.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the tips! I'll look around for the Courson book; I have a feeling that, as a dollmaker, I'll find a reference like that highly useful. I'll check out the Croom book, too. I just found this website and thought I'd pass it on to the group; it offers an extensive section on unusual historical costume books: _http://www.needleworkbooks.com/_ (http://www.needleworkbooks.com/) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 00:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5GouN030457 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5Gjg7022993; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C5GKmh068402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5GIBH057766; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5GEXs057738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dial-209-148-114-183.sonic.net [209.148.114.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1C5GBHR017987 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:16:13 -0800 Message-ID: <43EEC49E.8030000@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:16:14 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT...Les Contes d'Hoffann...was DVDs References: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <13c.24deb666.312011f2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:16:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEC4BD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I have the DVD with Placido Domingo doing Hoffmann...on the Kultur label. > It's not bad. But there are several versions. Here's a link to ArkivMusic's page > of them: OK, I just bought that one. > > Doncha love opera??? Like Anna Russell says: "You can do anything, as long as > you sing it." My father was an opera fan for many years, though I think he's mostly lost interest. He used to take me to the opera sometimes when I was a kid, but he also used to play the NY Metropolitan Opera Saturday afternoon live broadcasts at top volume, all the way through, so he could hear them anywhere in the house. As did everyone else in the family. I just rediscovered opera recently. Aside from Verdi, who I liked a lot as a kid, and "Carmen," which I liked most of all, I'm investigating light opera/operetta--things like the "Merry Widow" (that BTW is what I meant when I recommended the San Francisco Opera DVD; I have a great DVD of "Die Fledermaus," but it's another opera company). I got all Donizetti's light operas, and now I'm working through Offenbach. My father recommended "Die Meistersinger" but I didn't care for it. Richard Strauss I find annoying as a composer. I have a great DVD of "Patience," but the BBC Gilbert & Sullivan DVDs have lackluster reviews. Any recommendations for light opera DVDs? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 00:29:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5T8mG030675 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C5T2kO025829; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C5ScVl069730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5SZsO065694; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C5SVmF065626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C7A8WH032591 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:10:08 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Roman women's hairstyles, rare book site Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:33:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <90.6ef9fb37.3120166c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602120033.31705.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEC79E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 11 February 2006 11:41 pm, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the tips! I'll look around for the Courson book; I have a > feeling that, as a dollmaker, I'll find a reference like that highly > useful. I'll check out the Croom book, too. You're welcome. Good luck! > > I just found this website and thought I'd pass it on to the group; it > offers an extensive section on unusual historical costume books: > > _http://www.needleworkbooks.com/_ (http://www.needleworkbooks.com/) Thanks for the pointer! There's some interesting stuff here, including some stuff I've been toying with buying for a while. -- Cathy Raymond "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 01:54:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C6sCgK031675 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C6s6RY012733; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C6rAc0077083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C6r4An013463; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C6r0AQ013416 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25837 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:23:44 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:23:42 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Funny comic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEDB8E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sewing Machine Lightbulb X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:58:56 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EEF8CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! After 13 years my lightbulb has finally gone in my sewing machine ( a Toyota that is so old that it has no name or model number!), and I wondered if anyone has had a lightbulb in their sewing machine that has lasted longer? Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 04:44:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C9ijKC009247 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1C9idoE007462; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1C9bNB9090372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C9bLSX009316; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1C9bIce009295 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm21.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0BB415B8 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm21 Received: by dm21.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - ac100013) id dm21.43e02ad3.a20d4 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5D7wHOk3gbLQIAAAAB,78a5ac29df29faeb15d1f6f383a1587a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.83.17] Message-Id: <20060212013718.23AEB3DD@dm21.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:44:42 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF0387.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, sorry, it's definitely 'stillsuit' - I just checked in 'Children of Dune', that being the book that was closest to hand. Joannah ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ --- "Becky" wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. > > Kimiko > _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 05:21:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CALo6n009766 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CALjMx017015; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CAL0ko094218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CAKuSR035326; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1CAKqjr035279 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98188 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jmABRGKbT2OiwVVxOtxtLefBC3GUgCnVzhItkziA1B79e75sL6zFTLHO7zrOiYVqKAgKjRdJmPdDVoQGv6DpttX9ZwmobPJZR2axqMFNXrdBKOuSSvzNg+zpeaBxixkwNpq2c1y3OQi3r3pf+xzQ9jjz3qHOv+xmQIIFM7KlVxU= ; Message-ID: <20060212102051.98186.qmail@web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [87.244.73.11] by web25903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 GMT Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:20:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF0C39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: Called stealth suits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dune costumes > At 07:58 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote: >>I particularly liked the moisture-trapping suits. The name for them >>escapes me. > > > Still suits, iirc. It's been awhile. COMMENT Well, I have the original issues of "Analog", [the large-format Sci-Fi Mag which had been the A-5-sized "Astounding"] - in which the very first stories of Dune were published, AFAIK, - and the moisture trapping suits are surely called "still suits" in Herbert's text as published therein. Just my two drachm's-worth by water-counters. Julian, still on the side of House Atreides, but running a little low on melange. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Sewing Machine Lightbulb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:48:58 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 43EF2EB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jayne~ I have an Elna that I purchased two weeks before my daughter was born, and have used through countless heirloom outfits for my children and the many commissions I have lost count of, as well as more costumes, prom gowns and period clothing than I can even begin to add up. The daughter turns 22 on April 22, so the machine has been plugging away for almost 22 years with the same light. The only part I have had to replace was the little airmatic foot because the rubber had started to lose air and it would cause the machine to slow down when I was whizzing along. I still have the spare bulb that I purchased for that 'just in case' emergency, because of course I expected my original bulb to die in the middle of the night when I had to have something finished the next day. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 12 07:56:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCu6BT016603 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:56:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCu1Fp025654; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CCtCgE028069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CCtA19034239; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1CCt7Yk034128 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CB1CD490 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20963-07 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7FFA1CD488 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2